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Amateur Blog Mob Roundtable Week 9 - Penn State vs. Illinois

Blog mob . . . ASSEMBLE!

 

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This week, the Amateur Blog Mob returns to the friendly confines of Beaver Stadium as the Fighting Illini (accompanied by Illinois natives Earth, Wind and Fire) try to rekindle their magical September run!

Say hello once again to our panelists - Kevin McGuire from the Nittany Lions DenWilliam F. Yurasko from William World News, and all of the D-O-double-G's from JoePa's Doghouse!

 

Northwestern's offensive output against the Penn State defense was rivaled only by Alabama. What made the Wildcats so effective? What adjustments did Penn State make in the second half?

J Schnauzer: For once a prediction of mine was correct: Persa would get his 300 yards but Penn State would do just enough on defense to keep the Lions in the game. The Wildcats were effective in the first half because they exploited the weaknesses that occur in the Cover Two and Penn State couldn't make the initial tackle. Credit where credit is due: I don't know if there is a more underrated corps in college football than Northwestern's wide receivers. Nine different Wildcats caught passes of eight yards or more. Jeremy Ebert stole the show with some acrobatic catches and MRob-in-purple Kain Colter will give Penn State fits in the future. Penn State must have adjusted the secondary coverage at the half because Persa often had time to throw but ended up taking a loss.

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WFY: Getting the ball in the red zone 5 seconds has a way of increasing the opposition's effectiveness, no? A big factor is Northwestern is very good and taking advantage of Penn State's soft coverage, especially early. Also, Dan Persa is a really good QB and he completed something like 80% of his passes, many of them quick ones. The Wildcats have matched up well against Penn State for years and usually score a bunch of first half points.

Half-time adjustments certainly helped Penn State, so did Jordan Hill getting that big arm up in the path of a pass that Gerald Hodges intercepted off a deflection. Additionally, Northwestern's offense left it all on the field...in the first half. They don't have the stamina/talent to go 60 minutes this season.

The Underdogs: Without a way to verify this with the coaches, I got the sense that they realized at some point throughout the game that NW couldn't cope well with our blitz. Rather than bring pressure every down and allow NW to make adjustments, the defensive coaches kept their trump card in the bag only for key moments. Playing a bit of rope-a-dope if you will. 

McGuire: Northwestern came in to last weekend and played an up-tempo style and found a way to crack a soft secondary, which was giving Northwestern all kinds of room to work with in a bend-don't-break philosophy. I think that everybody was prepared for a wild first half but I just did not see Northwestern being able to do what they did in the first half for 60 minutes, which favored Penn State.

I think the key in the second half was not necessarily the adjustments made, but the fact that Penn State's defensive line was more athletic and physical than Northwestern's offensive line. There was more pressure in the second half than the first and I credit that to wearing down the offensive line. It looked as though Penn State brought more pressure in the second half by blitzing a linebacker or two more often as well.

Rowlff Dogg: With Dan Persa finally healthy, Northwestern is a pretty good offensive team. You have to tip your hat to their performance. But that is what Penn State defenses do against average teams with a good offense. They let them put up their numbers, wait for that big mistake, and make them pay. The Wildcats' stats are nothing to be concerned about.

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Illinois also features a mobile quarterback and an option style attack. How helpful is it to have played Northwestern one week before facing Illinois?

Rowlff Dogg: It was very helpful. I always get a laugh when they say "so-and-so mimicked Nathan Scheelhaase in practice." That's great, but a junior walk-on is not Nathan Scheelhaase. Dan Persa and Kain Colter gave us the best practice we could have asked for. Seriously, the Big Ten schedule-makers did us huge favors this year.

WFY:  I think Northwestern is a good primer for Illinois to a degree, but hopefully the Nittany Lions defense has recovered sufficiently. If this were a noon kickoff in Champaign, I'd be pretty concerned.

McGuire: It can't hurt, that's for sure, but Illinois should be more physical than Northwestern and that is what will make this a tougher game to get through for Penn State. Like last week, it may be important for Penn State to weather a storm from Illinois in the first half and not get too discouraged if they make some big plays early on. Illinois is going to cause some problems for Penn State's defense but after the last couple of weeks I expect Penn State's defense to come out with a strong performance.

The Underdogs: All that matters is that the players seem to be more of a cohesive unit, not prone to laying down vs. Illinois as they did last year. Not so much emotion as Kirk Herbstreit apparently thinks every football game comes down to, but will, desire, and pride.

J Schnauzer: Very. Take Northwestern, give them a good defense and bring them to State College and you have a rough approximation of Illinois. If Penn State can bring out their 2nd half Northwestern defense for the whole game, things should look bright.

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Welcome back, Stephfon Green. How large of a role do you see him playing for the rest of the season?

WFYI think Green will get a big role because he's a better pass blocker than the other guys on the depth chart and that is why he got so much time last week. I don't see him taking any plays off either, he's got precisiou few games left and he's got to be hungry after being off the team. That being said, just because he was successsful running up the middle against Northwestern does not mean he should be called on to run that play ever again.

Rowlff Dogg: Green is going to have a very difficult time fitting in with his younger teammates. Who else is going to buy them beer? He was already in the doghouse, so why not continue to be the team keg?

The Underdogs: I'm guessing he'll be the back to spell Redd, particularly on passing downs as he's always been a threat on screens and is our best pass blocker.

McGuire: I think Green is going to see an increased role each week and will be the first alternative to Silas Redd by the end of the season. Of course, I wrote a story in Maple Street Press Nittany Lions Kickoff 2011 about the dynamic duo of Redd and Green and it clearly has not panned out as I expected this season. But seeing Green contribute is a very good thing to see for Penn State. 

J Schnauzer: Great to see him there, but at some point you have to recognize the shortfalls on Northwestern's defense. If he can eat up yardage against Illinois' defense in relief of Redd I will be very happy. I think he will be given an opportunity this week to become a regular in the running back rotation.

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Gerald Hodges has emerged as the playmaker he was expected to be coming out of high school. Can he continue his streak of exceptional play against the Illini?

J Schnauzer: Abso-Poz-ilutely.

McGuire: Since Mike Mauti was lost for the season I think the pressure was turned up on Hodges to step his game up a bit and I think he certainly has done that, which is why I felt Penn State's defense may be able to survive without Mauti (not saying they are better off without Mauti of course). I don't expect to see monster performances like last week but it will be important to see Hodges be a leader on defense the next four games.

WFYI think asking anybody to duplicate their performance from Northwestern game is asking an awful lot. He had about 13 tackles and that interception. That being said, he's a force and a pleasure to watch. Illinois might try to go a different direction than the one he's in which is also highly desirable.

The Underdogs: The king stay the king.

Rowlff Dogg: As long as the coaches allow him to keep blitzing, Hodges is going to make good things happen.

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Predictions?

WFY: Joe Paterno will have more sideline and game awareness than Ron Zook. The Illini will wear pants that appear to be stolen from the Denver Broncos. The Lavar Leap will be replayed at least once during the game. The defense will be angry after last year's embarrassment. The weather will be awesome (I'll probably watch the game from my parents house with a roaring fire). In a shocking development, Jay Paterno will be on the sidelines. Penn State fans will read nothing into it, that's a lock. Amish Buggy Alumni will become a beloved and endearing term. There should be a bye week roundtable, if Northern Virginia/DC BSD bye-week happy hour (can't confirm I could attend though). I will pronounce the opposition as "eely nwah" because StrongBad (remember him?) did once. Oh yeah, Penn State wins a physical game that will be extremely stressful and leave the Nittany Lion desperately needing a bye week. Of course, they could also score a few times early and demoralize the Illini, but that would isn't the way things go this year. PENN STATE 27 Illinois 20

McGuire: I have this strange feeling that Penn State comes out on fire this weekend and puts Illinois away early. Maybe it's the revenge factor from last year's game, which seems to be fresh in everybody's mind this week. And the way Illinois has played the past couple of weeks tells me that they are ripe for a loss this weekend. Penn State 27, Illinois 14

The Underdogs: 34-10 Every year there seems to be one game where everything either comes together or everything falls apart and it is right there for all to see. I expect a bit of an atonement for last year's Illinois game here as our pieces seem to be assembling while Zook fiddles with the lug wrench undoing the wheels of what was thought to be a finely-detailed orange and blue Escalade going into the season. It should also be noted that this blood-letting game, never, NEVER occurs during noon kicks EST. This game is 3:30. And it has 2007 Wisconsin game written all over it.

Rowlff Dogg: PSU 22-10. Bad weather is going to keep an improving Penn State offense from blowing this game open. (I'm totally trying to jinx the weather into being nice)

J Schnauzer: Penn State 31, Illinois 17. This game is coming at the perfect time, and it sounds cliché but the Lions won't forget what happened to them last season.

And now for our BSD regulars . . .

Kyle Martin: Penn State gets to 8-1 this week, but they will need another half to adjust to the dual threat QB that is Nathan Scheelvowels. Illinois is zooking its way through the season, and after two wtf? losses, it makes complete sense that they'll make a game out of this on Saturday. Silas Redd will find it hard to top 125 yards for the fifth straight week, but I'm not sure Illinois has faced a back as good as Redd. PSU wins if they don't turn the ball over, giving Illinois a short field and they figure out a way to slow down Whitney Mercilus.

Peter Gray: Illinois will give up rushing yardage against teams that run the ball well, so I expect Redd, Green and company to have a nice day on the ground. However, like almost every game this year, the outcome will be in doubt all the way to the end. I still can't shake how easily Scheelhaase was able to operate last year, and while I don't expect a repeat performance, the Illinois offense is not to be underestimated. Penn State 17 - Illinois 13.

Tim Aydin: Revenge Factor Alert: Surely, the returning players have not forgotten about last year's Homecoming debacle in the which the Illini offense moved the ball with relative ease against a defense that ended up seeing its entire starting lineup knocked out of the game. Not to mention, the Illini defense flat-out pummeled PSU's anemic offense... Given that it's also a 3:30 game, look for PSU to try and set the tone early with Silas Redd and Stephfon Green pounding the rock while Devon Still and the linebacking corps hit Nathan Scheelhaase & Company like they stole something. 

Illinois won't be deterred, and I expect this to be a ballgame for all four quarters, but I like a PSU team that simply finds ways to win over an Illinois team going through yet another collapse eerily reminiscent of pre-Dantonio Michigan State.  Penn State 17 Illinois 10

Mike Pettigano: Penn State 24, Illinois 21. This game will rest on the shoulders of Matt McGloin. No, he won't have to play lights-out. But he will have to avoid mistakes against a defense that's light years ahead of Northwestern's pathetic unit. I think he can do it... unless Joe Paterno & Co. decide it's time to start rotating quarterbacks again, which is entirely possible. But whoever starts at QB will need to follow the same formula: manage the offense, protect the ball. Illinois will have a much tougher time this year moving the ball on Penn State. I'm confident the defense will hold the Illini when it matters, similar to how Purdue moved the ball but couldn't finish drives.

Adam Collyer:  It's nice to see people so bullish on this team right now.  I've still got a healthy dose of skepticism.  Illinois is clearly the best team we've played since Alabama, but the best part about this game is when it comes on the schedule.  Penn State is rolling with some confidence right now and the Illini look like a team in a dramatic downward spiral.  Still, I think they've got a last gasp haymaker in them.  Penn State's defense plays well but Illinois keeps it close before collapsing under the weight of the superior Nittany Lion run game in the 4th quarter.  Penn State 20, Illinois 13.

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by Mike Pettigano on Oct 27, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

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by Adam Collyer on Oct 27, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously.

If this were reddit, I would downvote this into oblivion.

by dbl5030 on Oct 27, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love this song way more than anyone should.

There is also the matter of this cover version, which your are allowed to hate based on last year’s Hyundai campaign.

(I will continue to have a small crush on this girl, anyway.)

by Chris Grovich on Oct 27, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nobody needs to apologize for loving EWF

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by WFY on Oct 27, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm less scared of Illinois than I was of Northwestern, if that makes any sense

Were it not for last year’s awful loss, I’d be a whole lot more worried; I imagine it’s hard to respect an opponent as much as you should when you’re on a six-game winning streak and they’re in the middle of an implosion. But with last year’s loss fresh in everyone’s minds, there’s no chance of this being a trap game for PSU.

I’m hoping this game is a repeat of this year’s Iowa game: a 3:30 kickoff at home, with the revenge factor keeping everyone amped and focused, all leading to a bigger PSU win than most are expecting, and PSU getting some more of that national respect that’s been so hard to come by.

One more thing: take a look through Joe’s season win-loss records on GoPSUSports.com. Then take a look at this season’s record. You’ll see that:

1. This is shaping up to be a vintage Joe Paterno team
2. Vintage Joe Paterno teams don’t often lose to teams like Illinois
3. Vintage Joe Paterno teams have a habit of knocking of a highly-ranked team or two late in the season.

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by newenglandnittanylion on Oct 27, 2011 9:26 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I agree with everything Adam Collyer wrote in his prediction, including the score.

This one goes under 40.5 and we cover.

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Oct 27, 2011 9:30 AM EDT reply actions  

Completely depends on PSU giving up big plays

If PSU does, Illinois could win this, and might even get a significant enough lead where it snowballs into something resembling last year.

If PSU doesn’t, there is no reason why PSU shouldn’t win in a blowout. Illinois has a better defense than anyone seems to think, but that should not be interpreted as “good.” In contrast, Illinois’ offense hopes to be Penn State’s when it grows up, and so long as big plays are stopped for 20-25ish yards instead of 35+ yards, this offense will trip over itself and/or cough up the football. The BBDS is designed to beat this offense.

PSU 24 Illinois 13, but nothing from a 24-10 Illinois win to a 35-0 PSU win would really surprise me too much.

GO IOWA AWESOME, now and forever, unless PSU sees them in the B1G CG
Beat Illinois

by ckmneon on Oct 27, 2011 9:31 AM EDT reply actions  

Adam

did you give Illinois -13 points? Ballsy prediction, sir.

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by skarocksoi on Oct 27, 2011 9:42 AM EDT reply actions  

Well played. Annnnnnd editing briefly.

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by Adam Collyer on Oct 27, 2011 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Am watching the short version of the NW-PSU game right now.

(Am telecommuting, so have the best of all worlds for today.)

A few things stand out:

(1) The commentators really were biased towards NW. I think Persa should not be alone in a dark room with that one guy!

(2) The Lion offense really grew up during that game. Talk about NW’s weak D if you want, but the O has faced other weak defenses this year and not responded the way the guys did last Saturday. If the O can maintain that momentum and poise, we will be in good shape this weekend.

(3) The DBs REALLY need to learn how to shed their blockers. NW really exploited the short outside (both running and passing), and we can expect NW II — Illinois, I mean — to try the same.

Like you guys, I really believe the momentum is in Penn State’s favor, but a lot will depend upon the team’s reaction to adversity. They responded well during the first half see-saw with NW; they must do the same if Illinois goes up by seven or even 14 in the early going.

Lots of reasons to be cautiously optimistic.

"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.

"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."

by PSU_Lions_84 on Oct 27, 2011 9:48 AM EDT reply actions  

On point 3

they were being very cleverly held. Hats off to the jNW receivers coaches for teaching them great holding technique, but that’s all that was

GO IOWA AWESOME, now and forever, unless PSU sees them in the B1G CG
Beat Illinois

by ckmneon on Oct 27, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed, and (BIAS ALERT!)

I thought the zebras were “clever” in their overlooking the NW infractions (not just the holds on the DBs).

That said, our guys need to avoid the lock-ups or work to make the holding so evident even the most biased ref has to call it.

"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.

"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."

by PSU_Lions_84 on Oct 27, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

jNW cheats like crazy on offense.

Michigan fans will accuse him of delusions like always, but Bellanca is right in that UM and jNW threaten the LOS with their QBs and frequently cross it (getting away with the crime too) and throw anyway.

Oh, the sun shines bright on my Pennsyltucky home.

by ReadingRambler on Oct 27, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

As long as it's only UM and NW,

and Illinois does not get away with those shenanigans.

"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.

"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."

by PSU_Lions_84 on Oct 27, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

The one's on Persa were close

but I don’t think he was fully across in either case on Saturday.

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by Kyle_Martin on Oct 27, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

The first one I thought was two yards past in real time and was screaming about it, but that it was closer on the replay. I’m not sure which angle was better, but the speed with which NW snapped the ball afterwards suggests it was possible he was past.

I thought he clearly had at least a leg on the LOS on the second one.

by elefantstn on Oct 27, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

You have to be completely past it

for it to be a penalty though. So even if one leg was touching the line he was fine.

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by Kyle_Martin on Oct 27, 2011 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just watched the short version of the game last night

and that “facemask” on Astorino astounded me. He was being held the entire play, and he got called for the facemask. Ugly.

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by Kyle_Martin on Oct 27, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

My OSU fan wife

saw that play and said, “uh, barely facemask. Not barely holding.”

I giggled because she said barely. I don’t think she got it.

GO IOWA AWESOME, now and forever, unless PSU sees them in the B1G CG
Beat Illinois

by ckmneon on Oct 27, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I stopped reading after the headline

not really, but I definitely laughed myself at the barely part.

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by Kyle_Martin on Oct 27, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yep

and the flag came in so late, that I thought they might be calling the hold. It was a legitimate facemask, but it wouldn’t have happened without the hold.

by kijana's acl on Oct 27, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cautious Optimism

That sums up my feelings about Saturday’s game. But as i have posted elsewhere this is NOT the time to play a certain QB so his feelings aren’t hurt. Illinois may be smarting for its last 2 outings and therefore ready to play. In that situations you can’t just throw away possesions.

tO$U sucks-ALWAYS the right choice!

by nits4ever on Oct 27, 2011 9:53 AM EDT reply actions  

Not so much emotion as Kirk Herbstreit apparently thinks every football game comes down to, but will, desire, and pride.

This is very much true.

Oh, the sun shines bright on my Pennsyltucky home.

by ReadingRambler on Oct 27, 2011 10:19 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

And I too have a gut feeling of a 2007 Wisconsin style beatdown coming.

Granted this Illinois team has a considerably better defense, but, still, when an improving team coached by Joe Paterno faces a Ron Zook team which hasn’t looked solid in several weeks, I mean, really, come on, gimme a break.

Oh, the sun shines bright on my Pennsyltucky home.

by ReadingRambler on Oct 27, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m thinking more Minnesota 2005. Just Illinois is no longer ranked like Minnesota was at the time we played them.

by psuwresfan on Oct 27, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

If PSU

does not fumble the opening kick off, I see PSU shutting down Jenkins like they did McNutt. The final score will be an unimpressive 14-9 or something like that. And the media love and national respect will continue to elude. Hope I’m wrong and we blow them out.

by TonyLion on Oct 27, 2011 10:20 AM EDT reply actions  

Tony, I'm with you.

Have predicted an unimpressive 16 – 10 Lion victory, with Fera the Fierce offsetting the Illini D led by Ming the Mercilus.

I hope both of us are wrong!! LOL!

"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.

"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."

by PSU_Lions_84 on Oct 27, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

It would have been nice

if Illinois had won one of their last two games.

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by Kyle_Martin on Oct 27, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Expound, KMart, please.

"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.

"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."

by PSU_Lions_84 on Oct 27, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

They'd still be ranked

had they won either game. Beating a ranked Illinois team looks a lot better than an Illinois team on a losing streak.

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by Kyle_Martin on Oct 27, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

True.

Out of our hands, unfortunately.

As Tony just posted, “And the media love and national respect will continue to elude.” Sad, but also true.

"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.

"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."

by PSU_Lions_84 on Oct 27, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I love the team

I don’t care about the media’s affections

by PSU Mudder on Oct 27, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

True, Mudder,

but there is something to be said about grinding the national media’s face and cred into the ground. We got squat from them pre-/early-season; it’s nice to see the Lion success and the discomfiture it is creating with the talking heads.

"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.

"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."

by PSU_Lions_84 on Oct 27, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Do you really think

the talking heads will admit they were wrong? LOL!

"It's never a bad thing thing to vote for the suckiness of tOSU." -RWReese

by Paige2PSU on Oct 27, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Paige, I've actually seen Adam R and Brian B

at ESPN begin to give (grudging) respect to our D, and they both picked us to win against Illinois. That is progress, even if only millimeters’ worth.

"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.

"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."

by PSU_Lions_84 on Oct 27, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bennett has been pretty high on the Lions all year

Rittenberg on the other hand would probably pick Minnesota to beat us if given the chance.

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by Kyle_Martin on Oct 27, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

They may be the proverbial wounded animal. Win this game and they actually have a shot at winning the division. Lose it and they may go winless until their last game (at Minnesota)-earning a trip to Detroit in the process..

tO$U sucks-ALWAYS the right choice!

by nits4ever on Oct 27, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

this is true, and they should have beat Purdue

since everyone but me and a few kooks thinks Illinois is better than Purdue. I think Purdue is better and definitely looked better against Illinois. I don’t understand folks saying Illinois is our toughest game since Alabama. Purdue smoked them in a game that was not near as close as the score. Purdue has a much better D than Illinois, Purdues interior d-line is a close 2nd or third with PSU and MSU this year.

My grammer skills need improved.

by BMAN13 on Oct 27, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is interesting
Purdue has a much better D than Illinois, Purdues interior d-line is a close 2nd or third with PSU and MSU this year.

by jtothep on Oct 27, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

93 is a beast, believe he was co d player of the week with Hodges

He was very disruptive in the PSU game to. Purdue also has a corner that is pretty good.

My grammer skills need improved.

by BMAN13 on Oct 27, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can't stress how important it will be to get the first score

if we can get a couple early scores to go up 10-0, 14-0 this Illinois team will implode.

by jrock4 on Oct 27, 2011 10:39 AM EDT reply actions  

Slightly disagree, 4.

We weathered NW scoring first, and even their response to our response.

That said, I do agree a key to victory is to destroy Scheelhaase’s confidence. If we can get into his head and destroy his rhythm, that would definitely tilt things in our favor. As we all agree, our defense has to play the entire game the way they did the second half last week.

"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.

"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."

by PSU_Lions_84 on Oct 27, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Im not saying it is necessary for that to happen to win the game

Obviously our defense can make the adjustments and has the playmakers to keep the Illini under wraps but I would just like one game where I am not white knuckled the entire time

by jrock4 on Oct 27, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

I feel this game will be much like the Iowa game. I think that game we saw the team playing for pride after the recent struggles against Iowa. This week they play for pride to erase what happened last year. Probably close early but Penn State has a comfortable lead most of the game. Then the defense goes absolutely nuts in the 2nd half.

I think Illinois might be getting a bit too much credit, people think they will snap out of this two loss skid because their backs are against the wall much like northwestern was going to. But if you look at Illinois full body of work they’ve been struggling long before these two loses. Ever since the ASU win they’ve struggled against all the teams they’ve played Western Michigan, Northwestern, Indiana, Ohio State and Purdue. The only game in that stretch they won convincingly was Indiana and they fell behind 10 0 in that game.

Also the weather as of now looks much better then previously predicted, not sure if that helps or hurts Penn State.

by psuwresfan on Oct 27, 2011 10:57 AM EDT reply actions  

Never doubt my incredibly strong desire to see PSU win, especially to make up for last year's trainwreck against Illinois

But someone needs to undo all this jinxy karma we’re building here. Let me lay out my fears.

Everyone is high on the offense because we racked up points against Northwestern. We’re all saying, “we know Northwestern’s defense sucked, but so did Indiana’s and maybe Temple’s…look at our new found execution!” I find it hard to believe any D1 school could execute as badly as we did against Indiana on a regular basis, so yes, I’m glad we’re executing. But Illinois’ defense will make good execution look mediocre and mediocre execution look bad. Their two game losing streak is making people really sleep on their defense. Keep in mind that Illinois’ offense really hung their defense out to dry the last two weeks. If they can score on us (I’m talking, like, a touchdown…not even the 24 first half points NW put up) that defense is going to be hungry. HUNGRY!

That brings me to our offense. Let’s say we have to come from behind like we did early against Northwestern. Are we all sure our offense has exorcised its demons from the first SEVEN games? Because this team didn’t do jack on offense for the first seven games. We’re all being honest about that, right? We won six of those games, but we all kind of felt like “winning” was the offense getting into a fist fight after school that it couldn’t handle and big brother defense pulling up to take the offense home. I guess Iowa doesn’t fit that description…that was like a fist fight where neither party could hit the other and eventually Iowa hit itself in the face three times and dropped to the ground.

My point is, if the offense regresses for any reason – and that includes the offense improving but catching some bad breaks, i.e., interceptions – Illinois’ defense could control this game. Hang OUR defense out to dry. Our defense is the strength of this team and I honestly think they could hang with (not necessarily dominate) any offense in the Big Ten. But it can’t be out there forever. I have this sinking fear that some bad breaks put us down early and Illinois’ defense exposes our offense like no team except Alabama has all season. Illinois 27 – 9 Penn State

(karma fixed – let’s go State!)

by PSUCharmas on Oct 27, 2011 11:14 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Karma's a bee-otch

"Illegitimus non Carborundum!" (Don't let the bastards wear you down)

by RWReese on Oct 27, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

My dogma will run down your karma

and chew off its bumpers!

"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.

"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."

by PSU_Lions_84 on Oct 27, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Agree

Except I think the biggest demon to exorcise was going to one QB. It was no coincidence the offense hummed with only Mac under center.

But otherwise this game could go either way. Ill is a very good team and I expect them to score a bit. Our offense is fragile and probably will be stop and start against their good D. This is the game where we see if PSU can be a serious B-10 contender or sits somewhere in the upper half of the conference.

Now cue Rambler to come in and berate us for being realists rather than taking the arrogant irrational Buckeye stance of “our team defeats all 65-3 and should be favored in every game.”

by gcdyersb on Oct 27, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ramber is a PSU Commissar

His role is as glorious and unquestionable as it is infuriating at times. He once laid out for me why Morelli wasn’t that bad and didn’t cost PSU any games during his tenure. For the Motherland!!!

by PSUCharmas on Oct 27, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Morelli wasn't that bad.

2006 Notre Dame: Defense’s fault.
2006 Ohio State: Ohio State was unquestionably better and he performed well in the game manager role given him. I still wonder what would have happened if Ohrnberger hadn’t had that stinking false start penalty. Oh, and if Cheatin’ Troy Smith hadn’t had his Heisman Moment. I honestly don’t really blame Morelli too much for those interceptions. Certainly, they were his fault, but again, he performed well in the role given him until the defense ran out of gas.
2006 Michigan: I honestly think the 2008 Penn State offense would have struggled to win this game. That Michigan front seven was ridiculously good.
2006 Wisconsin: Sucked in this game.

2007 Michigan: Sucked in this game, he can basically be blamed for it. Though Austin Scott deserves a lot of blame too.
2007 Illinois: Eh, questionable. The defense put the offense in a terrible spot early, but Morelli blew several opportunities.
2007 Ohio State: Not his fault. The defense was terrible.
2007 Michigan: See above. The defense blew a 21 point lead.

Oh, the sun shines bright on my Pennsyltucky home.

by ReadingRambler on Oct 27, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

That 2007 MSU game was awful

And we still should’ve won it on the last drive. Morelli was making some nice short throws and moving us down the field. As soon as we got close-ish they called four straight deep passes. I was stunned to see them go away from what was working to do that.

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by Kyle_Martin on Oct 27, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I Recall

Rodney Kinlaw just ripping thru Sparty’s defense until we got inside the 20. Then 4 straight passes to the end zone.

tO$U sucks-ALWAYS the right choice!

by nits4ever on Oct 27, 2011 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Correct.

It was the dumbest, most poorly-called series I have ever seen in my time as a follower of Penn State football. I doubt I will ever see something that stupid again simply because it was so stupid and oblivious.

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by ReadingRambler on Oct 27, 2011 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

think it was Brent Carter, actually

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by Adam Collyer on Oct 28, 2011 2:43 AM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

I blame Morelli for 2007 Illinois

replace Morelli with an average QB, PSU wins that game. But I give him credit for 2007 Indiana; replace him with an average QB, and PSU loses.

He had bad games in several winnable losses (2006 ND, 2006 Wisconsin, 2007 Michigan, 2007 Michigan State), but he was nothing more than the 2nd or 3rd reason why PSU lost those games. Bad calls (2006 ND in particular), bad offensive playcalling (2006 Wisconsin and 2007 MSU), and bad defensive playcalling (all of the above) were much bigger reasons than Morelli’s play.

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Beat Illinois

by ckmneon on Oct 28, 2011 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why is realism equated to negativity?

I still think PSU should win, and I certainly don’t want PSU to lose. But I don’t think disrespecting opponents and by association their fan bases is very useful. Illinois is good enough to punish a team that doesn’t play up to its potential, hence the danger they pose.

It’s not like PSU has been blowing teams out. The defense is top 10, but the offense is only now finding its identity thanks to the QB carousel. I simply can’t predict an easy victory over another team with a legit D and a balanced offense given this scenario. I’ll be very happy if I’m wrong and PSU dominates from start to finish, though. Nothing makes me happier than being wrong about a potential struggle bus game.

by gcdyersb on Oct 27, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree except

I really think the offense identity (IMHO) has had more to do with offensive line play than QB rotation. I’m not discounting the effect of QB rotation, but the improvement in line play has allowed the run game to take off in recent weeks.

"Illegitimus non Carborundum!" (Don't let the bastards wear you down)

by RWReese on Oct 27, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

BOOOOO!!!

All of you DRINK. MORE. BLUE. KOOL-AID. NOW, DAMMIT!

"It's never a bad thing thing to vote for the suckiness of tOSU." -RWReese

by Paige2PSU on Oct 27, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Paige, I've been drinkin' so much...

I’m ready to go on tour.

"Illegitimus non Carborundum!" (Don't let the bastards wear you down)

by RWReese on Oct 27, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Then you are excused, sir!

"It's never a bad thing thing to vote for the suckiness of tOSU." -RWReese

by Paige2PSU on Oct 27, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

You could try this


The people who brought it to our tailgate were mixing it with orange Crush. Was quite the crowd-pleaser.

*

by Smee on Oct 27, 2011 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I need to try that.

"It's never a bad thing thing to vote for the suckiness of tOSU." -RWReese

by Paige2PSU on Oct 27, 2011 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tailgate Saturday

Do you have any spiked blue kool aid?

tO$U sucks-ALWAYS the right choice!

by nits4ever on Oct 27, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, but I won't be at PSU.

"It's never a bad thing thing to vote for the suckiness of tOSU." -RWReese

by Paige2PSU on Oct 27, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well ship some up here!

Tell them it’s for the guy driving the “Grey Ghost” my 2009 Versa parked in the lot nearest the hospital. My son can be the designated driver if I don’t sober up during the game!

tO$U sucks-ALWAYS the right choice!

by nits4ever on Oct 27, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

"by association"?

Everything in your post is unquestionably reasonable except for that line, which has possible consequences I don’t like.

Oh, the sun shines bright on my Pennsyltucky home.

by ReadingRambler on Oct 27, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

My character change has succeeded.

Oh, the sun shines bright on my Pennsyltucky home.

by ReadingRambler on Oct 27, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

My attempt at unserious sarcasm has been misinterpreted yet again.

Like Robert the Bruce, I shall retreat to a cave like a hermit and watch spiders weave their webs.

Oh, the sun shines bright on my Pennsyltucky home.

by ReadingRambler on Oct 27, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is what I'm hoping Illinois keeps up....

A Mel Gibsonesque, Lindsy Lohanesque, Charlie Sheenesque, Joaquin Phoenixesque, Drunken Hasselhoff, Nick Nolte-esque complete tailspin meltdown explosion.

"Illegitimus non Carborundum!" (Don't let the bastards wear you down)

by RWReese on Oct 27, 2011 11:35 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I vote the Nolte meltdown

I’d love to see Zook interview himself like Nolte did in that documentary.

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by WFY on Oct 27, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

RW, add in "Gary Buseyesque"

just for overkill.

"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.

"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."

by PSU_Lions_84 on Oct 27, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dang!

I sat here trying to remember his name and it was killing me! I just kept seeing him in my mind from “Under Siege” but couldn’t get the name. LOL

"Illegitimus non Carborundum!" (Don't let the bastards wear you down)

by RWReese on Oct 27, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Point Break!

C’Mon man. Get with it!

"It's never a bad thing thing to vote for the suckiness of tOSU." -RWReese

by Paige2PSU on Oct 27, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Got your back, RW!

"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.

"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."

by PSU_Lions_84 on Oct 27, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nah

I want to blow them out this weekend, then have them turn around and beat Mich and Wisc in back to back games.

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by Kyle_Martin on Oct 27, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't mean to threadjack....

But I didn’t see this mentioned anywhere else on here today, so I checked on a Florida blog and saw that Kent Taylor committed to Florida.

by GMac14 on Oct 27, 2011 3:27 PM EDT reply actions  

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