Bolden v. McGloin: The Stats
by gcdyersb on Oct 3, 2011 1:26 AM EDT
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The stats don't lie: McGloin is actually in the middle of the BIG in passing efficiency at 144. Bolden is nearly 20 points behind the next worst BIG QB at 85. And it's worth noting that Gray and Martinez, the only challengers to RoBo in badness, at least are running QBs. Mac has 4 TDs and no picks. Bolden has 1 TD and 4 picks.
Now, I know the folks who say stars don't matter and stats are all a conspiracy will poo-poo this. But the gap is so huge and obvious that there is no way around it. McGloin is vastly superior. He probably is not a top 6 BIG QB in reality, but he would need to play a lot worse to match Bolden in the race for the cellar.
I was clamoring for Bolden to get a chance when McGloin faltered last year. He's gotten his chance, though, and has not delivered. Mac has to be the guy. 5 games with stats and the obvious difference in leadership/moxie/confidence/offensive play is enough to decide this competition.
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Vastly superior?
Please. Should he be starting at this point? Probably. But if either QB was “vastly” superior than the other, he’d be the starter by now.
"I don’t know what he’s done differently, whether he’s eating differently or Sue is making him happier, but he’s definitely a different coach out there" Devon Still
Didn't you know
torching Eastern Michigan, playing less-than-decent against Indiana State, poorly against Temple, and throwing a single rainbow touchdown against Indiana qualifies as being vastly superior?
A Garden State Nittany Lion...
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by Mike Pettigano on Oct 3, 2011 6:56 AM EDT up reply actions
But the stats Mike
Oh the stats!!! They say he’s thrown 4 TDs and 0 INTs! It must mean he’s better!
I don’t know why but Bolden has to have full confidence to play well. He started out 3/4 and looked pretty good doing it, then he made an awful throw over the middle for a pick and he shat the bed after that. McGloin came in and did what he does, look horrible mixed with terrible, interspersed with good. He as 10-22. Bolden was 6-14. Both were bad and both had a sure TD if they hit the receiver in stride but couldn’t. .
All the people saying that McGloin is the “better” QB and HAS to start because of the way he played compared to Bolden is overlooking one thing. This game reminded me of the MSU game from last year. And that game last year was a reason people were screaming that he can’t be the starter. Now he played a game just like it and he should be starter. Don’t get me wrong, Bolden looked like hell too, I’m not confident either is the answer, but enough with the hyperbole.
"I don’t know what he’s done differently, whether he’s eating differently or Sue is making him happier, but he’s definitely a different coach out there" Devon Still
Everyone is saying how Bolden hasn't progressed at all
or even regressed since last year. In fact, you could say the same thing about McGloin.
You know why that’s true? What’s the biggest single change between each QB’s performances last year, compared to this year?
They both were able to be THE GUY when they played, respectively, each half of last year.
A Garden State Nittany Lion...
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by Mike Pettigano on Oct 3, 2011 7:14 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Last year
everyone rightly wanted to see Bolden get a 2nd chance. He clearly was forgotten after McGloin had his hot start. And he shouldn’t have been.
Everyone was projecting that Bolden would improve with more experience and a year of maturity. I thought he would be much better this year. But he isn’t better. He is terrible.
Bolden needing full confidence to play is exactly why he isn’t ready to start yet. A QB can’t go into the fetal position every time he makes a mistake or a teammate lets him down. I’m really tired of the excuses and hypotheticals. S—- happens on the field, come back, put some touch on your pass, check down to a 2nd option, and get on with it.
In this competition, yes, yes it does
that is how bad Bolden has been, both statistically and watching the team’s demeanor on the field.
You're right.
If you ignore all of the statistics, ignore everything you’ve seen that might indicate that McGloin is better, and dredge up the same bad games he had last year, Bolden is better.
David, Shhh...Listen to Ohio State getting booed. It's like angels, singing Phish, covering Steely Dan.
by jesse. on Oct 3, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I agree, jesse.
Not too long ago, I posted McGloin’s stats from halftime of the Ohio State game through the completion of the Temple game. They were predictably awful.
But now we’ve got a pretty good sample size of Bolden and McGloin both against the same teams, and there is no objective way to choose Bolden. I once thought there was, and then held onto that belief a little while longer because it’s human nature to want to have been right … but I was wrong. McGloin is the clear cut choice.
Still, if the coaches would just pick one — hell, if they’d just put Drake back there and run the wildcat, so long as they stick to it — I’d be content.
by tuscaloosalion on Oct 3, 2011 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes it does...
…when compared to Boldin’s even more inept performances. Lets face it. The stats, and the tide, is turning toward McG. I predict that if Boldin starts again at Iowa and puts in his usual 3 and out opening drive we’ll be hearing thru the stadium the chanting of ….."Matt McGloin…Matt McGloin….Matt McGloin…… "
At that point
they maybe willing to look into any remaining eligibility for Morelli
(It’s a JOKE…I’m kidding!)
"Illegitimus non Carborundum!" (Don't let the bastards wear you down)
Average compared to deplorable
is vastly superior in my book. Just as I’d consider Peyton Manning vastly superior to a an average starting NFL QB. Maybe I should phrase it as Bolden is vastly inferior (at this time) since he is essentially the anti-Manning.
And
that’s kind of my point. McGloin should be the starter. How that is not apparent, I do not know. There is an obvious separation. Even if we are choosing between boiled leather and feces, I’ll take boiled leather in a heartbeat. It may be tough to swallow, but at least it’s edible.
I guess
I’m just not sold that McGloin won’t shit the bed against a competent defense.
"I don’t know what he’s done differently, whether he’s eating differently or Sue is making him happier, but he’s definitely a different coach out there" Devon Still
There's no way to guard against that.
That’s why coaches get the big bucks…to make a decision based on the information at hand, with no ability to see into the future, and then with confidence boldly support “the Guy” and live or die with him. The coaches, by allowing the carousel to continue, are waffling on what is one of their primary responsibilities.
"Illegitimus non Carborundum!" (Don't let the bastards wear you down)
But each week
makes me realize that picking either QB is really like Russian Roullette. Whichever QB you choose, will eventually lead to you getting shot.
"I don’t know what he’s done differently, whether he’s eating differently or Sue is making him happier, but he’s definitely a different coach out there" Devon Still
Yeah...
That’s why they call being a football fan, “FUN”. See…isn’t this fun? (he said cackling like the insane asylum resident restrained in a straightjacket.)
"Illegitimus non Carborundum!" (Don't let the bastards wear you down)
Also, keep in mind that "Fan"
is short for “Fanatic”, for which synonyms are: Fool, Fiend, Maniac, Nut, Freak, etc. Now keep in mind that “Masochist” shares some of those same synonyms.
"Illegitimus non Carborundum!" (Don't let the bastards wear you down)
A long time ago in school
I learned about “Confirmation Bias” and have always tried to guard against it ever since. It goes along with the saying: “It’s not the things that I don’t know that gets me into trouble, it’s the things about which I am absolutely certain, but completely wrong about, that gets me into trouble.” I see people in both the McGloin camp and the Bolden camp giving in to Confirmation Bias…completely dismissing facts that go against their preconceived notions, and in some cases becoming more and more beligerent as their notions are challenged and facts show the notions to be wrong.
I don’t think either QB is wonderful. I’m not sure either one couldn’t come in and do stupendous things IF the line play improved and IF the WRs did a better job at holding on to some balls. IF either QB was selected as “the Guy”,there’s a good chance his timing would improve, his accuracy would improve, the line play would gain consistency with constant leadership. I’m pretty sure the future QB for PSU is either not eligible to play right now or is in High School still. However, I want one guy…either one…to play all the time. The stats tell me it’s McGloin. But, if the coaches select Bolden then so be it. But FIX THE LINE and teach the WRs to hold on. Please.
"Illegitimus non Carborundum!" (Don't let the bastards wear you down)
The only reason Bolden starts every game for a series or two is because he is a big baby, and if he doesn’t, he’ll be even more useless coming in later on.
Don't blame the players.
The coaches screwed this one up.
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by ReadingRambler on Oct 3, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
really?
Don’t blame the players? yes, a decision needs to be made, but the players aren’t exempt from fault. They can’t let their attitudes affect their play, or it doesn’t help any potential decision. Players play, coaches coach.
No...
I really dislike blaming players when the real issue is a decision at the coaches level. I was a little disturbed to hear the sideline reporter at the game talking about the impression she had that our QBs don’t interact at all. Most other teams you see the guys giving each other tips and talking about what they see on the field. That’s disturbing if the two aren’t really getting along at all as it can infect the rest of the team. There was talk last year of a schism in the locker room and I hope it’s not the same this year.
But, we always have to remember that these are 18-22 year olds who need to be guided by their coaches. In the Army we used to say that there are no bad soldiers, only bad leaders (over simplified of course but it gets the point across). The coaches are the paid professionals who are supposed to be on top of this stuff and they need to intervene when necessary. Don’t come down on the players in personal ways. It’s one thing to say that a kid isn’t performing but another to make up nasty nicknames and make personal attacks.
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by RWReese on Oct 3, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Rec
Sorry … should have just rec’d your comment instead of posting a surperluous one below.
by tuscaloosalion on Oct 3, 2011 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
the 18-22 note only goes so far
I am a high school coach, so I am well aware of the extra baggage or spoon feeding young athletes need. However, “Our QB’s don’t interact at all”, how is that not atleast partially the players fault? I can have mediation between two kids all I want, but if they don’t want to get along, or dont understand the importance of getting along, i can’t force it.
Going back to what I just posted below, Bolden more publically, but im sure more of the players represent the new athlete, with a sense of entitlement and no desire for competition to make the team better. If the two got along, understood the impact of healthy competition, it would make them both better, bettering the team. When Dad has to talk to the coach about playing time, thats a problem. If you deserve it, but your butt and show it. I am not personally attacking Bolden, but when you are a D-1 athlete at a top university with a full scholarship, eventually you have to grow a set, and compete, the babying days are over.
When you call someone a “baby,” with very little to go on but a general impression from afar, you are personally attacking him.
by tuscaloosalion on Oct 4, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Anyone know if their was this problem when Casey and Thompson shared time? I seem to recall that worked out well.
Not to my recollection
Both were decent, and the team spent most of that season in the top-5, which helps. Moreover, that team could score, like lots and fast too. Also, much less internets and amateur blog mobs then too.
David, Shhh...Listen to Ohio State getting booed. It's like angels, singing Phish, covering Steely Dan.
It Makes me Wonder...
… What kind of promises were made by Joe and Jaypa while they were so publicly kissing Boldin and his father’s asses all winter not to leave? I suspect this insistence that he at least start the games as the #1 is part of the devil’s deal. I always suspected that Joe’s insistence on Morelli being #1 right up till the day he mercifully left PSU was part of another similar deal to hang onto what was supposed to be a prized multi-star catch.
"Bolden ... is a big baby"
I know I’m quoting MrBrianPSU, but this is not directed solely at him. But, um, can we can the Bolden’s a baby meme?
Back when I was on the Bolden bandwagon, I thought it distasteful that people were slinging around “McDerp” and the like, and then that slowed because some other posters called folks out on it.
I’m now in the McGloin camp (with one foot, at least), but I find it just as distasteful that people are cracking on Bolden because he’s a “baby” or that he only plays so he doesn’t get his feelings hurt. He’s a teenager and doesn’t deserve that any more than McGloin deserved those nicknames. Plus, I find it a bit ludicrous that we can “observe” — either through the tv screen or from the stands — and immediately determine the emotional state of a person we (for the most part) don’t know one bit. Next thing you know, people will be jumping to huge conclusions based on whether or not a window is open.
Seriously, both kids are working their tails off. Both want to win. I think it’s safe — and fair — to say that neither one is performing well, and it’s safe — and fair — to argue about who is doing better, or less bad, of the two. Name-calling seems to cross a line, though.
Remember, if either of them were a “baby,” they wouldn’t have suited up against a defense featuring Donta Hightower.
by tuscaloosalion on Oct 3, 2011 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
+1
And I am happy to say this… In the past I’ve commented that I noticed Bolden sitting on the bench apparently uninterested in what was going on when he wasn’t in the game. Over the past four games I’ve noticed him up and at the sideline watching the play on the field. I applaud that! I don’t know if someone coached him to do it or if he’s done it of his own volition, but either way it sends the right message. Neither QB deserves personal attacks. Let’s keep it classy.
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Clarification
Referencing him as a baby was not an attempt at making a classless, harsh, evil mean remark. Bolden represents “the new athlete” which has long lost the meaning of competition for the better of the team. Its getting Dad to talk to the coach when playing time is a question, its being seemingly uninterested in the game while on the sideline, its not taking critcism for the use of improvement. Its the sense of entitlement. As a high school coach, this is a major problem, and in many cases, is slowly seeping into college athletics. By allowing Bolden to start, even for a series, he is now some what psychologically “in the game”, as opposed to the crushing demoralizing defeat psychologically it would be, if mcgloin entered first. I know your posting wasn’t directed at just me, much appreciated, but I just wanted to clarify my point.
Well it's always hard
on the internets since everyone only has words and there are no other elements of communication – inflection, body language, etc – to help the reader understand intent. We all struggle with it.
The point about the father is well taken…helicopter parents are a huge issue for everyone. Especially when the helicopter parents turn into Apache Attack Helicopter parents. Colt McCoy and his father co-authored a pretty good book that’s worth a read (Growing Up Colt). They have a quote that I’ll mangle here but it’s something like, “A parent’s job is to help prepare their child for the road before them, not to prepare the road for them.” In otherwords, give your kid the tools to deal with the adversity they’ll face, don’t dry to be a snowplow parent and remove all of the obstacles for them.
Parents are now writing letters of recommendation for their kids and calling employers who didn’t hire their kids to complain and demand that they reconsider. They actually go on job interviews with their kids. Dear Lord.
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We do have the sarcasm font, though.
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I always forget about that
since I so rarely resort to sarcasm or attempt humor of any sort.
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FTFY
since I so rarely resort to sarcasm or attempt humor of any sort.
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No, that was just a demonstration.
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QB Debate Says More About Us than the QBs
It’s our desperation as a fan base for quality QB play and wins that forces the issue on Bolden. We (myself included) all want him to live up to his recruiting rating so badly that we make excuses for his play. We blame the coaches for the carousel (which doesn’t help) and playcalling (how many fan bases are happy with their team’s playcalling?). While the coaching staff, it’s fair to say, is in shambles, there’s plenty of precedent for truly good QBs to succeed despite coaching messes.
I don’t think either of these guys are any good, and nothing about their play over the past 1.3 seasons indicates that experience the barrier to improving their play. Not every QB improves with experience (remember QB14?). Experience doesn’t usually lead to developing a sense for the game (Bolden) or making someone taller and stronger (McG).
Coaches deserve blame, but we’re right back in 2006 needing to figure out how to win in spite of QB play, but with a more suspect defense.
by InScoresOfOtherGames on Oct 3, 2011 1:04 PM EDT reply actions
I was hoping this FanPost would say
“don’t matter” but I was wondering how you’d fill the 75 word minimum.
Look, McGloin has performed slightly better. Using stats more than just a little bit, as some sort of corollary support, is misleading. Both could have a few more picks and Bolden could have a few more TD (or at least a decent amount more yards) if now for a few drops by players of various jerseys.
Don’t even pay attention to the stats. Seriously. If you watched the games you know that Bolden showed some somewhat consistent flashes of decency against Alabama interspersed with bouts of loose cannon. You know that McGloin literally did not stand a chance of doing anything against Alabama. But you also know that McGloin has looked less likely of playing poorly enough to lose to teams we should beat than Bolden has against every other team. He’s thrown a few passes that weren’t completely errant, which is a couple more than Bolden, and looked capable of providing scoring plays.
Whatever the stats are don’t change that. What if Devon and Moye caught Bolden’s passes against Bama and Indiana, respectively and Moye and Suhey dropped McGloin’s passes against EMU and Indiana, respectively. Would you still think that stats tell the story?
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
The only reason I don't bag on what Bolden did against Alabama...
…is because I think that what most of the people arguing against McGloin do is try and explain away success. But be certain, Bolden’s 11 points against Alabama are not as impressive as they are made out to be. Especially, in light of the fact that despite his performance in that game, he is still clearly. statistically inferior.
The Alabama game was three weeks ago. And we don’t play them again. Like, ever. I would argue that if statistics against an outlier defense which is bad (EMU) should be discarded, why not also discard statistics against defense with outlier statistics that are very good? If you are going to grade on a curve, at least do it right.
David, Shhh...Listen to Ohio State getting booed. It's like angels, singing Phish, covering Steely Dan.
Did you read my post?
I’m advocating discarding statistics in general. Not just outliers. We all watch the games. We don’t really need regular or advanced stats to tell us what we’re seeing.
But stats aside, Bolden was better in the Alabama game. I’m not using that as an argument to make him the starter, but I’m just stating a fact. Whether you think that you can make a favorable inference from that game that applies to future games or not is a different argument. I’m just saying no one should rely on stats in this steaming pile.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
Maybe your right.
But one of the most frustrating parts of this aptly referenced “steaming pile” is my opinion that we seem to disregard anything that supports McGloin. What I’m seeing when I watch the games in one guy is better and one guy isn’t. We’re getting so bogged down in why, but seriously, who cares why?
David, Shhh...Listen to Ohio State getting booed. It's like angels, singing Phish, covering Steely Dan.
Exactly.
Looks like we’re on the same page here.
I am still hesitant to endorse McGloin because it’s not like the Alabama game didn’t happen. I’m not basing this argument on the stats he had in that game, but that a tough, physical defense that can jam our receivers and make plays on the ball absolutely negates any of his strengths and makes him more of a liability. Granted, Bolden has been so bad since that game that there’s nothing to say he wouldn’t also be the same type of liability. I’m not refusing to pick McGloin because I think Bolden is better, just that I think neither represents any sort of positive that the other doesn’t against defenses with a pulse.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
Isn't that like discounting lab results
in diagnosing an illness and coming to the conclusion that your illness is caused by a small toad or dwarf living in your stomach…or perhaps an evil spirit? The only reason to want to NOT use statistics in making a rational decision is if you have a preconceived desirable outcome and you want to use emotion to arrive at the decision.
"Illegitimus non Carborundum!" (Don't let the bastards wear you down)
And I don't let the stats tell the story.
I let them provide evidence to support the story.
When we need points, McGloin goes in. That’s the rotation. He had 5 interceptions against Florida, and I’ll say it until the say I die, until the pick six at the end I thought they were going to win. If it was up to me, and there was one more possession of the Florida game, I’d put him in again.
Bolden scores. Of course he does. He does some things well but he’s a true sophomore and out his league right now. We’re not making the same mistakes we made with Daryl Clark, Bolden has gotten more playing time than any other quarterback in the history of this program save one. So relax, it’s not uncommon to see “potential” turn into “production” in quarterbacks when the player in question get on toward being a Junior or a Senior. That’s just our program. Forever. And it was never a secret.
David, Shhh...Listen to Ohio State getting booed. It's like angels, singing Phish, covering Steely Dan.
by jesse. on Oct 3, 2011 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I am perhaps the most relaxed person on this board right now.
Your stance that McGloin should be the starter is well-supported, by other factors as well as stats.
I’m a baseball guy. I get into stats. I am proficient in sabremetrics. But as part of that, I understand when they are useless. I’m not suggesting that you, jesse. are being too reliant on stats, just explaining what caused me to write the first comment. In the first 5 games of our football season, the sample size split between the two quarterbacks is so small, and could be completely transformed by a few things (like I said with the switching of drops and catches on just a few plays). I mean, this is a small sample size, a really small sample size. McGloin has played better in most games, with the notable exception of Alabama. The stats say that in a horribly misleading way. They could just as easily NOT say that.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
and I’ll say it until the say I die, until the pick six at the end I thought they were going to win.
Same.
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by ReadingRambler on Oct 3, 2011 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
McGloin is our version of Tony Romo
but with less accuracy. Decent stats and he will win a few of the easy games but will rip out your heart when it counts.
Without getting into a comparison of our two QBs against each other,
any stat that says McGloin is middle of the big ten in anything absolutely does lie. Our QBs are terrible. That includes McGloin. He threw maybe 5 real, quality, actual passes in 22 against Indiana. Let’s not delude ourselves.
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What does that tell us, though?
McGloin maybe is average in a pack of flawed QBs. I was as surprised as anyone when I looked at the ratings and saw Mac in the middle of them. He may be “bad” but that means there are other B1G QBs just as bad or worse. In terms of overall impact, McGloin won’t be like Robinson or Martinez since he can’t run. But he could well be as good a thrower as those running QBs, OSU’s two headed monster, and a couple of other B1G QBs.
What really matters though is vs. Bolden. McGloin might be 11th best or 5th best in the B1G, but it’s pretty clear Bolden is #13. He could improve, but we’ll have to see in 2012 how he fares.
It tells me that in very small sample sizes
the quarterback efficiency rating is not an effective indicator of on field performance. Watching these two, where they put their passes, you could hardly slide a piece of paper between them on the field. As the sample size grows, if they both continue to perform the way they have, I expect both efficiency numbers to move towards each other.
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Statistically you're right.
But the season is nearly half over. You already have better than 38% of the sample assuming we go to a bowl game. So so academically you’re correct but practically, what your saying doesn’t really matter a whole lot.
Eventually this is a gut call. The stats aren’t the end all be all, but they certainly support what I see in my gut as it relates to this teams chances to win this season. Which is all I care about.
David, Shhh...Listen to Ohio State getting booed. It's like angels, singing Phish, covering Steely Dan.
by jesse. on Oct 4, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Acedemically-Practically
Whatever you call it my point is that there is almost no difference between the two as passers. I agree that it’s a gut call, and my gut tells me that there is a +/- 0 W/L difference between playing the two this season. If your gut would have you put McGloin back in at the end of the Florida game if it were to continue, then I’m sorry, I’m not feeling supremely confident in your gut. But it doesn’t even matter any more. Use anything you want to name a starter, it probably doesn’t change much. Make it McGloin based on the stats and let Bolden wear the headphones for the rest of the season, it may even help Bolden to not have to worry about weekly game prep and just observe for a while, who knows.
The things that kill me in all of this are (1) some people’s dellusion about the quality of our QBs. That’s evident to me in both the insistence that McGloin is good (a middle of the pack b1g qb?) and the excuse making for Bolden. And (2) the insistence that Bolden has hit his ceiling 13 months into his college career. Add to point (2) that they’re doing so by making a Morelli analogy? Do you know how absurd the improvement would be if we had Morelli right now?
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by PSUinBOSSton on Oct 4, 2011 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Did you even read my last sentence?
It seems you are coming up with just another ‘out’ like everyone else with the OL doesn’t block for Bolden and McGloin loses to good teams. Of course it makes no sense to base everything on a small sample. So why do you join the McGloin hating crowd that focuses on only 1.5 games where he was awful?
Football is not an experiment where you measure repeatedly to decrease the error bars. I’d say the error bars are big, but with last year and this year in our sample set we know what we have. You are looking for a cop out
I just find this amusing altogether. Everryone is saying how horrible McGloin has been, and even with the small sample size Bama disaster, it turns out he has been effective for the most part. Especially relative to Bolden.
Does anybody remember the 1st half in Columbus last year?
Generally I evaluate QB’s at their best.. Ergo when they are hitting their spots how well does the offense run. At the Half against OSU McGloin was 12-17 2 TD 0 INT for about 150 yards.. Up 14-3.. just missed an opportunity for points at the end of the half(because we couldn’t run the ball). Was that OSU defense bad or mediocre? Everyone remembers the pick sixes in the second half but the simple fact is that I’ve never seen Bolden perform as well as McGloin did in that first half.
The pro-Bolden people in the PSU camp? Well they hated Zack Mills who marshalled with a bum throwing elbow and no o-line. They wanted Morelli to play as a frosh over Michael Robinson. They were pro-Morelli after the 14-9 loss in Ann Arbor.. the attempt to run for a first down on 4th and 15 in Champaign, and throwing the ball out the back of the end zone on 4th down against Michigan State. I played HS football in central PA and to be honest I can’t tell you how backwards the state is regarding passing offense and evaluating QB’s. It seems to have filtered all the way to the top.
Robert Bolden reminds me of Reggie Ball. If you don’t know who that is, look him up, and embrace the horror.
by dyehardfan on Oct 3, 2011 11:07 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Generally I evaluate QB’s at their best
I’,m not sure about this, but in a conversation about “upside potential”, wow, kicking the shit out of Ohio State on their own field such that their fans are booing him? That is upside, not anything I’ve seen out of Bolden against Alabama.
David, Shhh...Listen to Ohio State getting booed. It's like angels, singing Phish, covering Steely Dan.
by jesse. on Oct 4, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
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