Kevin Newsome, come back
by WeArePennState on Oct 30, 2011 8:45 PM EDT
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Wow, I wonder what our offense would be like if Penn State had even given Kevin Newsome a chance. How could he do any worse?
The biggest concern I have over our QBs now is their attitude and body language, They seemingly aren't in the game unless they are IN the game. When on the sidelines, they could just as well be playing angry birds, that's how out of it they are. They don't talk to each other and neither of them are really team players. They seem selfish and if they aren't playing, they aren't going to be interested.
The amazing part is the rest of the team is as much a team as humanly possible and that's why PSU keeps pulling things out. They all pull for each other to do well and contribute. We need a QB change from these two guys. The whole situation is bizarre.
COME BACK, KEVIN.
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wow, seriously?
you must not be watching Mac on the sidelines this year. This kid has really turned a corner, from what I can see. He’s not the arrogant hot head that he was last year. The only poor decision I’ve seen him make was the interception in the end zone against Iowa. I used to be a staunch Bolden supporter…but no more.
Did you watch the game yesterday? Unless I’m wrong, McGloin calmly led us down the field for the game winning TD.
I’m not saying Mac is the most talented guy ever…but you can’t deny that this kid is getting the job done now. Idk what happened after the Alabama game…maybe that poor performance really lit a fire under him. Who knows? But all I know is that last night, I saw McGloin LEAD the offense on the game winning score.
by psu_all_day on Oct 30, 2011 9:12 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
If there was no Bolden
methinks McGloin would be one of the most derided PSU QBs of the last 20 years. It is distinctly to his benefit that he only plays 3 quarters, as his performances are always framed in a positive context, where if he were playing all 4 we’d all be meh at best and calling for “the backup” at worst.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
by OctaShields on Oct 30, 2011 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
he already was one of the most derided PSU QBs of the last 20 years
remember the lashing he got after that Outback Bowl performance?
like I said…after that Alabama performance, the kid has really stepped up his game.
by psu_all_day on Oct 30, 2011 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
You're aware he was 9/24 for 98 yards and a pick yesterday, right?
I mean, that’s a step up from the Outback Bowl, but the defense is getting the job done here, not McGloin.
Look at the numbers
Against the 4 defenses we’ve played that have somewhat of a pulse (Bama, Temple, Iowa, Illinois), here are the raw stats on McGloin:
35/72, 345 yards, 1 TD, 2 INT
Sub-.500 completion %, sub-5.00 YPA.
He’s only really “stepped up” because he’s had remarkably little to do in order to win. To his credit, he’s done exactly that in most games.
I know a lot of people will hate this, but his performance is sub-Morellian. I don’t mean to be hypercritical because I love that he’s tightened up the ball security issues he had last year and has made a few big plays when they were needed. But objectively, he’s one of our worst starting QB since we entered B1G play.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
by OctaShields on Oct 30, 2011 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
So Octa,
what makes a QB a great starter at PSU? Throwing for 350 yds per game and 4 TDs?
I think you are way off base comparing McGloin to Morelli. He may not have the same physical attributes (arm strength, size), but this year he’s been a good field general, and the offense feeds off him….a GIGANTIC intangible that has helped us win games. You can’t deny that. How many QBs will light up Bama’s D? And how many pick 6’s did QB14 throw throughout his career as a 2-year starter? And total INT’s? I’m fairly sure a good bit more than McGloin. We have a chance to get to a BCS bowl, something that never happened with Morelli at QB. I know there’s 3 games left to play…just saying.
Think of this…MRob had something like 80 yards passing vs OSU in 2005, and with a GREAT defense and strong running game (sound familiar?) we won the game, and by a small margin (sound familiar)?
What’s my point? You don’t need to have a QB put up superlative numbers to have a successful team. Everyone has to contribute, not just the QB. Give the guy some credit for the clinching 80 yd drive.
by wxguy519 on Oct 31, 2011 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
MRob added a dimension that McGloin does not
MRob didn’t need to be a traditional QB because he could turn broken plays into 1st downs and touchdowns with his feet. He could truck safeties.
McGloin doesn’t do anything particularly well. And he has been limited in his chances to make bad decisions. Even so, he still makes bad decisions. He’s been incredibly fortunate to not be punished for them.
But as Octa said, he has done what was necessary to win (well except for the Temple game- Bolden did that). I’m on the side of whoever is in, and I’ll cheer as loud as anyone. But I’m not going to jump on the #teamMcGloin bandwagon just yet. I’ll stay firmly planted on the #teamjustwinwithtwoqbs
'Why would she have you meet her in a bar at ten in the morning?'
'I just figured she was a raging alcoholic'
by psuphysicist on Oct 31, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Clearing the air on Morelli
He was maddening because of his hype coming into the program, much like McGloin gets a longer “leash” due to his walk-on status.
In his two years as a starter, Morelli was 442-788 (56%) for 5,075 yards (6.44 ypa) with 30 TD and 18 INT. He’d be the best QB on this roster by a rather clear margin.
by Chris Grovich on Oct 31, 2011 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Stats and Outback Bowl be damned - if I had a choice between the two
to lead a comeback drive at the end of a game, I’m taking McGloin every time.
Yeah,
that’s terrific. But again, what’s the point of that juxtaposition?
Who cares if he’s not the equivalent of past outstanding QBs…he’s doing enough to win games, and improving week to week. What more could someone ask for?
I disagree that he is improving week to week
I have seen nothing different between McGloin this year and McGloin last year. He remains wildly inconsistant and prone to bouts of poor decision making.
The point of the juxtaposition was that Morelli was heads and shoulders above both of these guys. McGloin gets the benifit of the doubt because 1)there are no expectations on him and 2)his competition is playing (and recently playing rather poorly). Flashback to last season when Bolden didn’t see the field, and everyone was clamoring to let him back in, especially when it started raining interceptions.
'Why would she have you meet her in a bar at ten in the morning?'
'I just figured she was a raging alcoholic'
by psuphysicist on Oct 31, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes.
But I will come right back with why dwell on the friggin past??
We can agree to disagree on McGloin improving through the year. I mean, maybe it seems he hasn’t due to the fact that…oh I duno, he hasn’t played an entire game aside from NW? Hard to make noticeable strides with that situation. Hopefully from here on out he’s the official starter. None of this two #1 horsecrap.
You should look up the definition of "Confirmation Bias"
"Illegitimus non Carborundum!" (Don't let the bastards wear you down)
by RWReese on Oct 31, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I tried it and it sucked.
But seriously, I’ve generally stayed in the absolute middle of these debates. And my point isn’t that McGloin or Bolden deserve to be playing full time. My point is that in these past few weeks when McGloin has become the clear fan favorite, that he really hasn’t gotten that much better.
While everyone is salivating over McGloin because Bolden is struggling something awful, I’m just trying to maintain some assemblance of relativity here.
To be fair, I was out of the country for the jNW game and didn’t get to see what sounded on the internet radio like arguably his best performance of the year. And for the record, I’d love for McGloin to go out and prove me wrong. But I think I can be objective in saying that he hasn’t quite done that yet, without this being a case of confirmation bias.
'Why would she have you meet her in a bar at ten in the morning?'
'I just figured she was a raging alcoholic'
by psuphysicist on Oct 31, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Purdue's Defensive Pulse is Stronger than Iowa's
Pass Defense: Bama (2), Temple (9), Illinois (11), Purdue (40), Iowa (81)
Total Defense: Bama (1), Temple (5), Illinois (9), Purdue (53), Iowa (76)
That’s ancillary to your point, and not intended to pile onto our sad panda Hawkeye friends, just wanted to point out that struggling against Purdue, after failing to run it up against Herky, was not unexpected.
by jtothep on Oct 31, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think you're right.
Matt has the benefit of zero expectations.
Yeah, I get it. Our plan is to show up with our fantastic defense and let the chips fall where they may.
Had not thought of it this way, but this is 100% right
Knowing that the backup is worse is the only thing saving McGloin from complete evisceration from the fans in the stands and on the internet. As it stands now, it’s only partial evisceration.
by kijana's acl on Oct 31, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Which is my latin name.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
What's the point of this post?
I don’t see how you can assume Newsome would do anything to help the offense. From what I recall, while he was fairly quick, he carried the ball like a loaf of bread. We probably would have had 10 turnovers instead of 6 yesterday with him in there.
Now, he wasn’t given a lot of reps, and when he was in, rarely did he ever throw. But…I think McGloin proved that he can in the least be an effective game manager. I said this at the beginning of the year; our QB doesn’t have to be Kerry Collins. With an effective running game, he doesn’t need to be. Why complain when we are 8-1?
Fretting over the past doesn’t do any good now; let’s keep thinking one game at a time, and making the most of what we have. McGloin has shown marked improvement from last year with his decision-making. That’s about all one can ask for. But frankly, this thread seems to marginalize what McGloin did against Illinois for that last minute…calmly and cooly lead the team 80 yards to paydirt. Newsome who?
Oh…and the last time we had that kind of drive against Illinois was 94 yards in 1994. Just sayin…
by wxguy519 on Oct 30, 2011 10:09 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Agree with you completely
And not to bring up the past and rip on Newsome (because he seems like a good kid), but I’m pretty sure Newsome had his opportunity last year to beat out a true Freshman that didn’t even enroll early, and a walk on sophomore and he was unable to do so. So I don’t think Newsome would have been the answer.
You nailed it.
He couldn’t beat out the woefully inadequate guys playing now. He was the “heir apparent” at qb and was given every chance to grab the job. He failed. Good kid…actually seemed like a great kid. But he’s not a D1 qb.
Give it up.
McGloin is “The Guy”. Support him. Why should any of us be any different than the team since McGloin’s teammates are supporting him? And also, enough with the “McGroins” and other nicknames.
During the off season, if Paul Jones gets it together, or even if Bolden stays and takes some giant steps forward and wins the position outright, then one of them deserves to QB next year. Right now, McGloin has won it, he’s the man, the team seems to be behind him, and that’s good enough for me.
"Illegitimus non Carborundum!" (Don't let the bastards wear you down)
by RWReese on Oct 31, 2011 9:20 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Agreed
But I personally see Bolden transferring and McGloin being the starter next season. Jones would still have 2 seasons of eligibility left. Again people are excited by Jones-but we have seen him play decently in one scrimmage.
Of course ALL bets for next season are off if there is a new HC.
tO$U sucks-ALWAYS the right choice!
I do apologize for the tone of my post above
I fully support McGloin and want him to do well for the rest of the year, at least. The same way that I wanted Morelli to do well back when he was our quarterback. The same way that I’ll want whoever is named starter in 2011 to play well.
I don’t take back anything I said above, but I do agree with wxguy519 on the point that it’s not really adding anything to talk about these things. The stuff I said above is something that I should maybe have not said until after the season, when all the games are over and everyone needs something to occupy their time. Until then, I’ll be glad to scream myself hoarse cheering on whoever gives us the best chance to win, and not taking any satisfaction in whatever opinion I have on his overall abilities in any greater context than the current play, drive or game.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
Exactly my thoughts RW.
Why make comparisons to past QBs and fret over what could have been should have been (but….but…what if we had PERSA??). It’s pointless.
This is (or should be in my opinion) McGloin’s team now. And no, he doesn’t have staggering stats, but hey…he hasn’t lost us a game yet, has he? Knock on wood.
Newsome
showed me absoulutely nothing during albeit limited playing time. I think this is one subject that can be dropped-since it never should have been brought up.
tO$U sucks-ALWAYS the right choice!
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