Penn State 10, Illinois 7: Everybody Chugs Moxie
by Chris Grovich on Oct 31, 2011 6:00 AM EDT
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LDSJZGLSZDGJKNDSZG!!!111!!1. The "Penn State refuses to give up!" angle has been sufficiently and rightfully exhausted here and elsewhere, no need to rehash. One truly crazy thing about whatever that was in Beaver Stadium Saturday afternoon, is that there's really no improper reaction to it. Joy, relief, anger, frustration, denial, resentment, trust, appreciation -- they're all in play and all perfectly valid. In fact, my instant audible reaction to the attempted game-tying field goal was, "Yes! Off the f**king post!". This was immediately followed my the thought of, "damn it, now I have to emotionally invest myself in this Russian Roulette team again in two weeks."
All Is Well! And all is well because Matt McGloin helped accomplish what seemed like a total impossibility, given Penn State's sixteen previous fruitless possessions -- yes, I'll include that 10-play, 18-yard field goal drive in that. He pieced together a last minute touchdown drive after the offense had amassed a grand total of 129 yards in the prior 57 minutes of play. The numbers remained ghastly. 111 yards rushing on 41 attempts (2.7 ypc). Nine completions on 28 attempts for 98 yards and one interception (5-for-22 and 71 yards until the final drive). Six fumbles. Four sacks allowed. One victory.
8-1 never smelled so foul and tasted so sweet.
These Paragraphs Sponsored By Vic Vinegar. The above notwithstanding, if any number of plays or calls had bounced another way, we would be mercilessly dissecting one of the worst losses in recent Penn State memory. Not to mention, one of the most egregiously squandered defensive efforts in program history. The Sukay hit on Scheelhaase and the pass interference call on the late pass to Moye could have easily gone against Penn State. Same goes for the D'Anton Lynn interception. If those are called the other way, every Penn State message board and blog would be littered with the ever-familiar Big Ten referee conspiracy theories.
The decision to play Rob Bolden in the first place was questionable. Using him for four consecutive series -- and no, I don't care if the "plan" was to play him the whole second quarter -- was coaching malpractice.
I don't know why this charade continues. And no, it's not like McGloin was tearing it up prior to Bolden's quarter of action (McGloin was 4-11 for 33 yards), but exactly who are we kidding here? When high-character Penn State guys like Michael Robinson and A.Q. Shipley are criticizing Bolden on Twitter, it's impossible to not wonder what the coaching staff sees that the rest of the free world does not.
All of this said, stop booing him, you assholes. Seriously. Enough. And don't try to say that you're booing the coaches' decision to play Bolden. Even if you are, you're really not. Stop it.
Again, Penn State's game management skills almost cost them dearly. Driving for the go-ahead touchdown, Penn State gets a 1st and Goal on the Illinois 5 yard line. Both teams have three timeouts, there is 1:20 remaining in the game, and the clock is stopped following the play. Sixteen seconds elapse between the end of the prior play and when Penn State inexplicably calls timeout with 26 seconds left on the play clock -- the game clock is still at 1:20. I remind you, THEY ARE AT THE 5 YARD LINE. This wouldn't be good timeout management if they were at the 50, nevermind the 5. Illinois almost certainly must call a timeout in this situation -- let them.
Okay, Penn State calls its timeout and runs a play -- Silas Redd down to the 3. Illinois surely is going to use one of its three timeouts here (at this point, even if Penn State runs on all subsequent plays and scores on 4th down, Illinois still has one timeout for their final drive). And OH MY GOD, WHO IS IN CHARGE ON PENN STATE'S SIDELINE? Another PSU timeout at 1:11. Redd scores on the next play, now Illinois has three timeouts and 1:08 remaining. This is an eternity in college football. Just putrid, choking game management, which could have easily cost Penn State the game. Give my dog a copy of NCAA '12, a PS3 controller, and 20 minutes -- she figures this stuff out easier than the Penn State coaching staff.
In Praise Of. My dear, the whole defense. Still and Hill combined for 20 tackles and 4.5 TFL. Gerald Hodges had 19 tackles. The entire defense had 10 tackles for loss, by six different players. They forced nine punts and four turnovers. The crazy part? Statistically, Illinois' defense was better: they allowed 77 less yards, held PSU to 3.0 yards per play and 2.7 yards per rush, and denied PSU on 12 of 15 third down conversion attempts.
Also, Derek Moye and Silas Redd.
But seriously, maybe one of our learned readers can help me here. What exactly is the reasoning regarding which PSU running back not named Silas Redd gets carries? This week, it was Brandon Beachum getting the ball (well, twice). Stephfon Green and Curtis Dukes didn't grace the box score.
Look, I love Silas Redd too, but he's now wearing down at a rapid pace.
He Is Not Other Guys. Unleash The Dragon. Was the bomb to Moye the ultimate McGloin throw?
This time, he completed two passes to Moye, then looked at him in the end zone on fourth-and-six. McGloin said he went through his progressions and Moye, in single coverage, was the only receiver open. A pass-interference penalty on Illinois gave Penn State first-and-goal at the Illinois 15-yard line. Redd scored three plays later, giving Penn State its first lead of the game.
Told after the game that other guys might not attempt that fourth-down throw, McGloin laughed. "I'm not other guys," he said.
And to be clear, it was the right throw. Moye had a step on Illinois' third-best cornerback, and McGloin threw a perfect pass. If you're looking for the clearest difference between McGloin and Bolden's huddle presence, Silas Redd is here to help.
"We all faced adversity the whole game, but he was able to keep his poise and still be charismatic and really get the guys in the huddle going," Redd said. "That's one thing I really love about Matt. Through everything, he's still able to keep things on an even keel."
And So It Begins. The annual speculation about Joe Paterno's future apparently kicked off during the post-game plaque presentation, as Tim Curley responded to a question with, "We're still focused on finishing out the season. We'll talk about that stuff at the end of the season." Penn State has two weeks before its final home game of the 2011 campaign. Despite years of people (including the man himself) insisting that Joe Paterno doesn't want any sort of grand farewell, both Paterno and Penn State seem to quite enjoy these milestone ceremonies. If there was a NAIA coach out there with 411 victories (there isn't), Penn State would be finding a way to hype The Quest For 412.
Regardless, the whispers have already started regarding JoePa's possible last home game and what might transpire before or shortly after the Nebraska game. Same as every other year, but if anything substantial should bubble up, we'll be on it.
Next. Bolden goes 2-for-13 with 3 interceptions against Bye. Jay Paterno vows to split practice reps equally leading into the Nebraska game. Penn State wins by 1.
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It was Coke before Coke was popular
Pepsi is just weird, so it doesn’t count.
/PSU knocks on my door
//Yes?
///We’re revoking your credential
////Why?
/////What, you don’t think we read the comment threads?
A Garden State Nittany Lion...
"The way things are these days, 9-3 and one of the best graduation rates in the country doesn't seem like such a terrible bargain to make." - Michael Weinreb
by Mike Pettigano on Oct 31, 2011 6:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Isn't that what Radar O'Reilly drank
or was it Grape Nehi?
"Illegitimus non Carborundum!" (Don't let the bastards wear you down)
Grape Nehi
I am a Penn State Nittany Lion, and I played for the legendary Joe Paterno, and more importantly, I am a man because of it. - Lavar Arrington
I remember Moxie being a pretty bad drink. However, it is the "Official Soft Drink of Maine!
I used to be indecisive. Now I'm not sure.
I’ll try once more.
I have drank Moxie! I remember it as pretty bad :-(. Probably with a bit of Rum it might be OK.
However, it is the official soft drink of Maine!
I used to be indecisive. Now I'm not sure.
Don't you just love how when Penn State wins, it's "ugly..."
but when two teams get into a 52-45 shoot out, it’s “wild”?
A Garden State Nittany Lion...
"The way things are these days, 9-3 and one of the best graduation rates in the country doesn't seem like such a terrible bargain to make." - Michael Weinreb
This has bothered me forever.
I remember watching the 2000 Michigan – Northwestern game. After both teams were in the 10,000s, I’m pretty sure they stopped keeping score under the premise of, “let’s not put a number on something that’s just so f***ing cool.” It was an atrocious game that involved the eventual B1G champ (sound familiar?), but the media couldn’t stop wetting themselves about it later.
GO IOWA AWESOME, now and forever, unless PSU sees them in the B1G CG
Beat Nebraska.
Michigan didn't even have a defense in that game.
Hermann should have been summarily executed.
Tom Bradley for offensive coordinator.
by ReadingRambler on Oct 31, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Brady Hoke is to Jim Hermann what Mark Richt is to Bobby Bowden
GO IOWA AWESOME, now and forever, unless PSU sees them in the B1G CG
Beat Nebraska.
This seems entirely accurate, yes.
Tom Bradley for offensive coordinator.
by ReadingRambler on Oct 31, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
It was ugly.
Not every 10-7 game is ugly, but from the pieces I saw, the twitter reaction, and the radio broadcast, that game was ugly. W’s are W’s though.
Vamonos Mantequilla Vamonos!
by Esteban d' Amur on Oct 31, 2011 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but from what I've heard...
…it was no uglier than the Arkansas win over Vandy. Or the WVU win over Rutgers.
PSU game was ugly offensively. That was mainly due to conditions, PSU’s bad offense, and for the Illini offense PSU’s very good defense. The WVU/Rutgers game was ugly due to both teams having ugly defenses.
Six of one, half dozen of the other. There’s really no difference. It’s just that 41-31 or 31-28 LOOK better than 10-7.
This is the truth
It was ugly. Neither teams median average yards per possession was greater than 11, and the two combined for 7 turnovers and several other fumbles besides. There were many dropped balls. But did both teams deserve a win more than Arkansas? Absolutely.
GO IOWA AWESOME, now and forever, unless PSU sees them in the B1G CG
Beat Nebraska.
Didn't Vandy miss 47 field goals or something like that?
Now that’s ugly!
I don't know how anybody
could have watched the Stanford/USC game and came away impressed. I watched that and thought “Well if they play ‘Bama or LSU in the championship, they’re going to get smoked.”
I’d like to take some credit for the missed FG if I could. Right before the kick I said, “You know, it seems like nobody ever misses a game tying/winning FG against us, we’re due for somebody to miss one of these FGs.”
"I don’t know what he’s done differently, whether he’s eating differently or Sue is making him happier, but he’s definitely a different coach out there" Devon Still
You sound like Moye.
“I don’t want to jinx it, but since I’ve been here I felt like we’ve never got those bounces and those types of plays to go our way,” said receiver Derek Moye, a Rochester graduate. “It’s a great feeling when you get things going like that.”
Read more: Despite ugly wins, PSU looks at Big Ten title – Pittsburgh Tribune-Review http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/college/s_764683.html#ixzz1cMGkAGZG
by J Breezy on Oct 31, 2011 7:32 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bama/LSU...
is going to smoke everybody except Bama/LSU.
Vamonos Mantequilla Vamonos!
by Esteban d' Amur on Oct 31, 2011 7:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Did Moye officially acheive...
…minor PSU legend status on Saturday? Coming off the bench during the game winning drive? In the “emergency” situation?
"Wham! a homma. Wham! Another homma. Wham! Wham! Wham!"
At the very least he proved being worthy of being a captain.
He showed some great leadership on Saturday.
by J Breezy on Oct 31, 2011 7:33 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thats an Acheivement on 360 in NCAA '12
Come off the bench and help your team score the game winning TD.
Predicting Penn State's Offensive Scripts since 2005!
The time out(s) thing at the end
was baffling, I have to admit. I am the first to say, if you’re screwed up, call time out and get a good play in. But at least wait until the play clock goes down.
In fairness, I see it a lot, even in the pros. I wouldn’t have been surprised if Illinois didn’t call time out. At that point, we were either going to score, or we weren’t……….time wasn’t a factor to us.
But, then again, we are 8-1……….
When you put those black shoes on tomorrow, and you put on that jersey without your name on the back, and you put that plain helmet on, that's tradition. Penn State tradition!
--Who else?
The only problem I have with the time out is that they should have let the play clock run down.
They obviously set up a special play, called Troutman over, brought in 24 as a third tight end, guess Suhey is still banged up or something. On the play Troutman did pull out then block the backside, odd assignment, and Zordich pushed two guys into the endzone while Sczerba destroyed the fist pumping showboat, 99, and drove him about 6 inches into the ground. Like I said, don’t mind the timeout, just the fact they didn’t run more time off the clock.
My grammer skills need improved.
Beyond baffling.
The most stable coaching staff in college football, and yet no one knows how to manage a game clock. How is this possible?
But I guess we can’t complain too much: at least Penn State had timeouts to misuse; usually they would have had pissed away one or two of those on a 3rd short at midfield trying to choose an up-the-gut running play.
by Illegal Formation on Oct 31, 2011 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Second verse, same as the first.
Abysmal QB play…again.
Mediocre OL play…again.
Stellar RB play…again.
Phenomenal D play…again.
Victory…again.
Like Mike said yesterday, just imagine what this team could do with an offense. I don’t know how we got here, but here we are…8-1 heading into a needed bye week before a rough November stretch. See you in Indy.
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I made the point over at 247.
Someone posted something like “Penn State would be 4-5 if they didn’t have a dominant defense”. Well, yeah. But they do.
by Chris Grovich on Oct 31, 2011 7:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly.
This team should be 4-5. They shouldn’t be atop the Big Ten standings. But they are (#JustWinBaby/#FindsAWaytoWin), and they have the defense to thank.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Oct 31, 2011 8:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Disagree with the "should"
Any team with a defense this good should have a great record. In this case, we do.
In 2004, when the team had an elite defense and an offense even worse than the present one, everyone correctly thought that with such a good defense, the team SHOULD have a much better record.
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by newenglandnittanylion on Oct 31, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
The way I see it
The team should be 9-0, if not for one bad day by the offense against Alabama. I blame the stupid QB rotation on that loss.
An interesting take...
But if the roles were reversed, and we had the ’94 offense with a defense that would make a blind man blush, where would we be? Tough to say.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Oct 31, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Which is why I generally don’t play the “we should be this or that” game.
We are what we are, and that’s a 8-1 team with an elite defense and an ugly offense.
I just picture what the five Illinois fans who braved the snow must have thought as they walked out of Beaver Stadium hearing PSU fans groan and gripe about how terrible Penn State looks.
We won the damn game. Celebrate and let’s move on to the next one.
by BSD on Oct 31, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
The three that walked next to me were blaming the holder.
one bobbled and one with the laces to the kicker.
My grammer skills need improved.
Was thinking about that last night after trying to explain the "laces out" concept to my wife.
That holder wasn’t going to dare mess with spinning the ball (1) given the conditions and (2) given that he had botched a previous snap.
by Chris Grovich on Oct 31, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
and the trajectory went right with the laces, to the right.
I whooped as soon as it left his foot because it looked like it was going wide right, I was actually a little stunned it hit the upright, of course I was on the east side at the opposite endzone so my view was skewed.
My grammer skills need improved.
Well, the offense has had plenty of bad days.
Alabama was just better equipped to take advantage of it than any of our other opponents. The problems that day went way beyond the QB rotation.
by Chris Grovich on Oct 31, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
wouldn't Bama or LSU probably have several losses if they didn't have dominant defenses as well?
Maybe not 4-5, but probably 2-3.
Also, I’m gonna go out on a limb and say were it not for some poor punting (at least from my perspective), we’re ahead by at least a FG for most of the game.
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Maybe.
They each have viable offenses, complete with more than just a 2012 Heisman candidate at RB.
And I saw Chris mention that on Twitter as well, but I thought Fera did a good job yesterday, punting at least. I could be wrong, though.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Oct 31, 2011 8:09 AM EDT up reply actions
They didnt look nearly as good to me as they have in the past
Either not a lot of air time, or lost of air time but no distance. I think Illinois got the ball on at least the 30 a couple times and, while they couldn’t move the ball at all, would keep pinning us back in our end of the field. I think had we been able to get a couple of punts deeper, maybe inside the 20, we could have won the field position game and come away with a FG or a TD early on, despite not moving the ball very well.
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he had two 28 yd punts, if I'm not mistaken, and really didn't boom anything.
The ball was not flying in the weather at all though, I watched both teams’ kickers and punters after the half and the ball just would not fly at all. There was a lot more parcipitation in the air than the TV showed. It was snow drizzling pretty good at the end of the game and the replay I saw on TV it looked like nothing was happening.
My grammer skills need improved.
Eh
LSU might have losses to WVU and/or Oregon, and Bama might have a loss to PSU, but the SEC outside of those two is not good at all.
GO IOWA AWESOME, now and forever, unless PSU sees them in the B1G CG
Beat Nebraska.
All else being equal...
Even without a dominant defense, I don’t think Bama loses to PSU. That was a rough game for PSU.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Oct 31, 2011 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Without the dominant defense
Does Bama cause those 2 fumbles? Both of which resulted in Bama TDs?
Never mind the terrible fake punt spot that resulted in a Bama TD as well and took away awesome field position for Penn State.
GO IOWA AWESOME, now and forever, unless PSU sees them in the B1G CG
Beat Nebraska.
Well now it's a guessing game...
But PSU’s offense wasn’t doing much that day, so it’s tough to say.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Oct 31, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
That's what I'm saying
We can’t know, but it’s possible.
GO IOWA AWESOME, now and forever, unless PSU sees them in the B1G CG
Beat Nebraska.
RUTS sees the doinked FG,
and immediately channels Don Earle. As did most of us, whether realized or not.
Sweet.
"That Craig James gets such prominent assignments remains a mystery on the D.B. Cooper scale."
Richard Deitsch on Craig James, who allegedly killed 5 hookers while at SMU.
by Pete the Streak on Oct 31, 2011 7:59 AM EDT reply actions
On the edge of my couch, with the wife and dog looking on in anticipated horror
My comment was “Getrightgetrightgetright OFF THE POST!” Then I drank every beer ever made ever in celebration.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Oct 31, 2011 8:03 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
My Girlfriends comment was...
“I never saw so many men hugging each other at one time.”
by Galen on Oct 31, 2011 8:09 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
your girlfriend sounds hot
Seriously guys, I had to do this? You are slacking.
"Rabble rabble rabble; fire Joe; snarky meme; rude nickname; rabble rabble rabble
by letsgopsu on Oct 31, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
a girl making that comment after a men hugging comment makes complete sense to me.
My grammer skills need improved.
by BMAN13 on Oct 31, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Turn that lady green!
I’d have wrecked rec’d her thrice myself if possible.
LetsGo sounds smokin’ hot!
"That Craig James gets such prominent assignments remains a mystery on the D.B. Cooper scale."
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by Pete the Streak on Nov 1, 2011 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Woo Hoo ...
Much like when I was in attendance for the Pittsburgh v. Indy playoff game in January ’06, I was "watching" the last second field goal attempt, rocking back & forth on my feet, with my eyes closed, while praying silently. However, this time around, I looked up at the big screen at the All Star Bar & Grill in Robinson, just at the exact second the ball doinked off the upright. As the crowd erupted in joyous celebration, everyone ran around in circles looking for anyone in PSU gear to hug. It was a great moment.
Hey! I was at All Star, too!
Came late…when the 2nd half started. My buddy’s wife won the tickets to the Nebraska game.
LOL, I met you!
I am on the local Chapter Board … and incidentally, I am DerryPharmer’s daughter!
Hahahaha!
I remember now. Yeah, my wife has all that info. She’s interested in going to the Penn Brewery thing.
My friends both went to IUP (as did my wife), but their boys both go to PSU. My daughter will probably go there next year as well.
I’m just glad I stayed sober in there. Last time I was there was at a happy hour around Christmas. I have a vague memory of rolling basketballs into the ladies room. That Belgian beer with its 11% alcohol hit me hard that night!
Haha, I can't wait to tell my Pops I met someone else from BSD!
We are excited about the holiday party. Matthew Rice will be there with his artwork. And as for Saturday, I didn’t drink anything – although had we lost, I would have had to stay at my friend’s place up the road, and retrieved my car Sunday.
LOLz
Can’t help it. ;-) I should be at the game watch for o$u game, so maybe we can chat again. And DerryPharmer & Mrs. DerryPharmer will be at the holiday party at Penn Brewery, so hope to see you there.
My wife would like to go.
That means we probably will (unless we have something going on with our kids). Especially if our friends go.
DerryPharmer's daughter
sounds hot.
We have little tranquility but tons of tranquilizers.
by mikeissurreal on Oct 31, 2011 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I am, thanks for noticing - LOL!
If you’re in the Pittsburgh area, stop by at one of our Chapter events.
You are mellowing in your "old" age
You seem to be watching a lot of last-second plays these days. I remember you disappearing up the ramp and hiding at various points as far back as PSU-Pitt ’99.
I, on the other hand, had my eyes split four ways on Saturday during the end of the game: television, Skype w/ Mrs. Beefer, dinner on the stovetop, and the little one (who is even less of a Beefer than the Mrs.). Somehow, nothing broke, burned or went to overtime.
LOLOLOL ...
Yes, you know the old me & the new old me quite well. And I am very happy to hear that Little Beefer was not broken or burned, nor went into overtime.
We missed you at the All Star, Jeff
Maybe you will join us for another game watch – I will be there for o$u. And check out the chapter website for details about our holiday party (12/1 at Penn Brewery) – the entire DerryPharmer family will be there ;-)
I was tempted, and almost came.
But the wife didn’t want to tag along, and I needed a DD after that game. I will definitely stop by for one, if for no other reason than to meet the spawn of Derry. Someone needs to tell the untold stories.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Oct 31, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Ahhhh, to be called spawn of Derry ...
And yes, there are Many untold stories … ply me with vodka, and I may divulge more than Pops would want. LOL
Sat in the student section
The kids in front of me were booing Bolden, one kid in particular was just saying some of the most perturbing things I have ever heard from a Penn Stater. At one point he even said he wished he had a gun in the stands so he could shoot Bolden. Now, I realize he was drunk and just going on a dumb rant, but that is still going way too far, even if he didn’t mean a shred of it. It was so bad the kid in front of him got so pissed he left and sat somewhere else. I spent most of the game mocking him out loud by blaming everything on Bolden in a ridiculous way, but he was too dumb to realize it.
But honestly, seeing that kind of behavior first hand and some people’s reactions to this game I have 2 things to say; 1) don’t ever throw out that “I’m just passionate about the game/team” bullshit. You aren’t passionate, you’re just a giant dickbag. 2) chill out. It’s a game played by 18-22 year olds. Bolden is what, 19? He’s had less than 2 years at Penn State. Why are we trying to run the kid out of town over a stupid game. I love college football too, but it really isn’t that worth it. Maybe a couple years since school has mellowed me out a little bit more and thats what those kids need, but seriously, chill.
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by skarocksoi on Oct 31, 2011 8:03 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
One of my theories, which I've found holds true with higher percentages of students,
is that many fans don’t know shit about the team/game/opponent, and are simply there for an exciting time. And that’s perfectly acceptable in my book.
The vast majority of people here could tell you the four deep at running back but I bet the vast majority of the people in the student section on Saturday don’t know who Bill Belton is, or why Skyler Mornhinweg is a potentially important person. Thus, when you hear kids espousing the kind of garbage that kid was saying, it’s most likely (IMO) due to the fact that A) he’s drunk on three Mike’s Lemonades, B) he too is 19, and C) he just learned who Rob Bolden was and tried to be trendy/topical.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Oct 31, 2011 8:08 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Well
The kids around him were knowledgable enough, but he was certainly just a drunk asshole. And at the time I was taking it in stride and not going all Old Man Euler and lecturing him or anything, but that still doesn’t take away from the fact that you should at least have a little bit of dignity and pride in yourself and not say such complete garbage.
He also said the Bolden was the worst QB to ever play at Penn State, and half the people around me just laughed and muttered “Anthony Morelli” to themselves. Then got really quiet and sad.
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by skarocksoi on Oct 31, 2011 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well...
I’d personally take Morelli over both of them, hell I’d take John Sacca over both of them.
by eternalpessimist on Oct 31, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
This may not be PC, but, when the drunk d-ckheads start ranting in the stadium
it is at those moments that I think, why in the name of all that is good can’t they just legalize pot.
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nice
he’s drunk on three Mike’s Lemonades
this is beautiful.
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I almost bitch slapped somebody at the bar for the same reasons
Only this guy is the father of a Penn State student – I find Absolutely NO excuse for grown men to boo a kid. None.
by PghNittany on Oct 31, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
adults are the worst
when my nephew was 12 or so (12!) he was on the All Star baseball team, and the father and grandfather of some kid were screaming that one of the kids was garbage, didn’t belong on the field, etc, etc.
These kids were 10-12 years old!
Those of you who take the time to coach your children’s teams, kudos to you. I don’t know how you deal with the parents. My BIL coached teams for my niece and nephew and struggled with this.
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Agreed.
There’s an extremely annoying guy at our alumni association game parties that tells everyone in earshot how terrible Bolden is. This guy is easily in his 60s. He complains not about the coaches putting in Bolden, but about Bolden himself. Please grow up, old man.
by BurrowesBldg on Oct 31, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
The fans in my section were horrible
especially when Bolden was in. You’re supposed to help create a home-field ADVANTAGE, people.
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by newenglandnittanylion on Oct 31, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I made my way over to the student section as well
And anytime I heard people booing Bolden I gave them hell about it. You can be upset over the decision. You can even say outloud ‘this is a terrible decision’ but to boo a kid wearing Blue and White is unnacceptable.
Good news is by the time I’d yelled at the third or fourth kid, everyone around me seemed to stop doing it. Maybe Bolden was out by then, I dunno. I was pretty lit.
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by psuphysicist on Oct 31, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I've been looking at the division scenarios this morning
Fairly safe to assume that the only teams in play for the P1G are us, Wisconsin and Ohio State. Those teams’ remaining schedules:
PSU: NEB, @OSU, @WIS
WIS: PUR, @MIN, @ILL, PSU
OSU: IND, @PUR, PSU, @MICH
The division tiebreakers are as follows:
1. Conference record
2. Head to head record
3. Division record
4. BCS ranking
In order for either OSU or Wisconsin to catch Penn State, they’ll need to basically win out. That’s not completely inconceivable, as the bottom of the conference appears on both of their schedules.
If there’s a game that PSU can least afford to lose, it’s Ohio State. They currently don’t have a division loss, while the Badgers do. Nebraska would hurt the least, as it wouldn’t affect either the H2H or division record tiebreakers.
Hopefully we won’t have to worry about this because the boys take care of business on the field.
by Peter Gray on Oct 31, 2011 8:10 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
And the OSU game is the one that scares me the most.
So you’re sayng that if OSU wins out they’re the division champs? Good grief! That would be horrible.
OSU wins the division if they win out AND Penn State losses at least 2 of their last 3
If they finish with the same conference record as Wisconsin, OSU holds the tiebreaker.
Wow. That is entirely possible.
Of course PSU could end it simply by beating OSU. But it’s at the Shoe and in the spirit of the day that’s been a house of horrors for PSU.
PSU has had good offenses that couldn’t score a TD at the Shoe. We all know what kind of O they have this year. Hmmm….maybe that means PSU will go out and lay 31 points on the Buckeyes this year!
by J Breezy on Oct 31, 2011 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
with...
3 pick sixes and a TOO COUNTRY fumble. That, and we block a field goal that goes 70 yards through the air through our uprights. watch the zebras try to sort THAT one out.
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Michigan could beat tOSU…their defense is much improved…not great yet, but much better. And it’s at Michigan. PSU can also beat tOSU if they play like the first half last year and avoid the fall off in the 2nd half last year…plus this defense is WAY better than last year.
Illinois can beat Wisconsin. The Zook can pull off some crazy stuff and their defense is probably a pretty good match to the Wisconsin offense. Plus, PSU can beat Wiscy too.
I just don’t see us losing to Nebraska. Don’t see it happening.
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My thoughts
1. I hate hearing the “We should have lost X game(s)”. No…we did EXACTLY what was needed to win and we won and the other team lost.
2. I hate hearing the “But if this or that happened…” That argument always kills me in that IF this or that happens, it changes the course of the game from that point on and there’s no telling what would have happened later in the alternate reality. It’s a ridiculous construct since there’s not telling what the reaction would have been to the new situation.
3. Put aside the stats…this defense rocks. The stats show they are good, but the stats don’t show the emotion they play with and their desire to make something happen. This defense is crazy good.
4. I don’t see us losing to Nebraska. Their defense isn’t solid and their offensive line isn’t good enough to stop Hill/Still/Hodges/Stanley. No way. With Moye back and the O-line playing better, we win. I’ll be nervous for tOSU but if McGloin can go what he did last year in the first half, and maintain in the second without the picks, the game is in the bag. This year’s defense can clean tOSU’s clock. Wiscy…that one gives me shivers. I really think we have a great chance to be a 10-2 team and potentially a 11-1 team. I don’t see 9-3 happening.
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I hate the "what if" game, too.
What happened, happened. There’s no “what ifs” about it. Also, there are “what ifs” on all sides.
It’s like when people say, “Yeah, well take away that 80 yard run and he only averaged 3.2 yards per carry”. Uh huh…just one little problem – that 80 yard run happened. And if you want to take it away, then take away the 2 yard TD run and the 1 yard up the gut run that everyone knew was coming on 3rd down to get the 1st down.
As Archie Bunker once said to Meathead:
“What if…what if! What if your grandmother had wheels? Then she’d be a bicycle and you could pedal the h*ll outta here!”.
Flip it around
Yeah, they only averaged 3.2 ypc, but if Troutman doesn’t miss that block, Redd gains another 12 yards. If we got away with holding like the rest of the Big Ten does, we could have averaged another 2 ypc.
The “what if” game works both ways.
The problem with Saturday's offense is entirely correctable
and in fact, very easy to work on.
It was dealing with a cold, wet, football. How many times did the ball go from a player’s hands to the ground? Counting all of the fumbles, muffed punts, dropped passes, dropped picks, and poorly gripped throws, the team let the ball hit the turf, what, 15+ times?
I know they do wet ball practice every Thursday, but clearly it’s something they need to focus on a bit more. Having said that, a few cold outdoor practices should get the team more used to handling the football that way, and the problem should go away. If the team hangs on to the football better on Sat, that game wouldn’t have even been close.
Not sure I buy that, for two reasons.
1) That cold, wet football was used by both teams; but
2) They made numerous references on TV, including a sideline report by PSU’s own Lisa Salters, that the ballboys and refs were taking extreme measures to ensure to the best of their ability that each ball used was dry when put into play.
Sure the weather played a role, but it affects each team evenly. And it shouldn’t have affected it that much.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Oct 31, 2011 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, it's not like Saturday
was the first time the receiving corps has had trouble hanging on to the football. Old sailors used to tattoo “HOLD” and “FAST” across their knuckles to remind them to hold onto a line as if their life depended on it – which it often did. I think the PSU receivers ought to think about doing the same thing.
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I don't disagree there.
PSU receivers have been plagued with a case of the dropsies at inopportune times this year. But I don’t think you can blame it (at least not entirely) on the weather.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Oct 31, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I think you have a good point
The wet football aside, it’s hard to throw, catch, or hold on to a football when your hands are cold and wet. That was the first really cold spell of the year, so they weren’t used to playing in it. Hopefully they’ll get some practice in those conditions going forward.
+1
First of all, for this:
All of this said, stop booing him, you assholes. Seriously. Enough. And don’t try to say that you’re booing the coaches’ decision to play Bolden. Even if you are, you’re really not. Stop it.
Amen. Nothing on the field Saturday bothered me like the crowd’s booing Bolden did. And there were A LOT of boos coming from non-student sections of the stadium. I was happy that no one in my general vicinity was doing it. Those fans need to class it up a bit. Thanks for calling them out.
Otherwise, this was perhaps my favorite game recap of the year so far. There were just a lot of things that made me laugh. I especially enjoyed the Horatio Caine panels. I laugh every time I look at it. Well done.
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-Silas Redd
Quote from Moye on pass that led to interference call
Moye said he was surprised McGloin threw to him on the pass interference play. "I had a streak, and I thought he was going to go underneath to Justin [Brown]. I was covered. I saw him load up and launch and I was like, ‘What the heck?’ Then I just had to make a play on it,‘’ Moye said. "I didn’t see the flag immediately, but I felt like I was interfered with. The defender didn’t give me the best chance of coming back to make a play on the ball. I couldn’t get my hands up.’’
Oh and that is from the attached article
The pass was right on the money and I felt it was taking a shot right there. If Moye can get to be 100% he can make a huge difference for the entire passing game.
by mundyscorner99 on Oct 31, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I love this ugly team
Give me a gut wrenching low scoring 3-point win on a sloppy field over a 100 total-point Playstation shootout any day of the week.
We’ve complained for the longest time that this offense has no identity. Well, we finally figured out what it is. We’re a team with a dominating defense and an ugly offense. Embrace it, Penn State fans. Enjoy it. Just like how we got a thrill when Talor Battle hits a buzzer beater to win a 48-45 game, just accept the fact this team is going to have low scoring games that go down to the wire.
The pollsters won’t like us. The ESPN talking heads won’t respect us. But that comes with the image. We’re like an ugly dog. Nobody wants to pet him. Everyone laughs when you see him. But the more time you spend with him the more you love him because he’s just an awesome companion.
I love this team because even though they trip over their own feet for three quarters, when the chips are on the table they’re finding ways to win the game. People say they look terrible. I disagree. A terrible team would have made all those mistakes on Saturday and lost by three touchdowns. Good teams find ways to win when they don’t have their best stuff. This team is figuring out how to do that.
We ragged Daryll Clark for two years because he couldn’t pull out a close game in the clutch. When Illinois went up 7-0, Jack Ham said the lead looked “insurmountable”. Going 80 yards in the final minutes with a cold wet ball looked impossible. Yet there was our scrappy Irish quarterback making the plays that had eluded the offense all day. There was our “mediocre” offensive line pushing forward until Silas Redd broke into the endzone. When it really mattered, they did what they had to do.
They’re an ugly team, but I love that, because they’re our ugly team. It’s us against the world, guys. Embrace it. When people tell us we suck because we don’t score points, just hold up eight fingers and smile.
by BSD on Oct 31, 2011 10:02 AM EDT reply actions 10 recs
This team...
does not loose its sh*t in close games. cough Wisky cough. McGloin’s greatest weakness is also his greatest strength – utter belief in himself. He’s by no means a great QB, but he is mentally tough and get’s the job done.
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by Esteban d' Amur on Oct 31, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Totally agree
McGloin’s greatest strength is also his greatest weakness. As Jay said, he has the ability to forget his mistakes. We sucked for three quarters? Who cares. Right now we need to go 80 yards in under 4 minutes.
The kid has a chip on his shoulder. When you lose, people see it as arrogance. But when you win, people see it as confidence.
by BSD on Oct 31, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Remember JoePa always saying,
“Well, this team needs a tough game to really find out how to win.” or “We need a come from behind win to see how tough we are?” or words to that effect. He always wants a tough game for the team to figure out how to gut it out.
THIS team has just about nothing BUT tough games and come from behind.
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by RWReese on Oct 31, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Honestly
if this were an SEC team or NFL team, we’d hear terms like “Clutch” and “character” and “finding a way to win” instead of what you hear now.
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by skarocksoi on Oct 31, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I was thinking along the same lines today
The DC17 teams beat who they were supposed to beat, lost to who we expected to lose to. They were very good teams and I loved them, dont get me wrong, but this team is so fun because of its unpredictability.
It’s like watching a movie that you can easily predict each twist and turn, it can still be entertaining and enjoyable. Although this team is like a non-stop thriller, where you have no idea what is coming next. People can complain about this team all they want, but the last thing they can say is that this season has been boring.
We had a party the on Sat night, some of the people there were huge Ravens fans and not really into college FB
When the TV kept cutting to Joe in the Box (without head set) and just sitting therewith glasses off these guys were confused.
The team was dead and playing like dog poop…2 people said “why doesn’t he go down to the sidelines, raise some hell, and fire the team up like a leader”?
I didn’t know what to say except, well its dangerous for him to be on the sideline at this point, they looked confused.
I blame HITS
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by letsgopsu on Oct 31, 2011 10:10 AM EDT reply actions 5 recs
Bye week comes at the perfect time...
I’m glad this team pulled out the close one, but you can definitely see they need the rest.
-Don’t want to see Redd getting over worked. He definitely has been shouldering the offense since Moye came out with the injury. But why aren’t Dukes and Green giving him a breather? Dukes was very effective against Iowa.
-Give Mac 2 weeks of practice with first team reps, he deserves it at this point.
-For the first time since ’Bama, the defense seemed gassed in the 3rd quarter against Illinois. Blame it on the offense putting them in poor field position, but I think these guys deserve a week to rest up for the tough stretch ahead.
-Glad Moye looks fine, but I prefer giving him the extra rest especially when you see what a difference maker he was out there.
by Artiefufkin10 on Oct 31, 2011 10:49 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Let me add...
the next 3 offenses the defense faces are going to challenge their endurance. I think they match up well, but they can’t be standing around, hands on hips in the 3Q.
by Artiefufkin10 on Oct 31, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Part of that is on the offense to get a few “sustained” drives. The 3 and outs killed us. However, on the other side of the ball, Illinois had a lot of early 3 and outs an their defense was also gassed at the end.
Give the Ill defense some big credit. Number 45 played a heck of a game.
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This is good storytelling
Which is exactly what this team deserves. Oh, man, the things we can talk about with this squad.
Pieces I dug:
- ’there’s really no improper reaction to it…they’re all in play and all perfectly valid.’
- using Bolden on four consecutive series = coaching malpractice. Seriously. The past few weeks I’ve been allowing that, despite my admiration that JoePa was ‘trying something new’ vis a vis the QB situation (a result of his obvious lament over having misplayed it in years past), the current strategy may be doing Bolden a disservice. Saturday’s usage was confirmation: the kid is being treated poorly by allowing him these game snaps. It’s bad for him and must end. And that’s to say nothing of the disservice to the team. If this is all they have left in their bag to reign in that dragon, then give up now please. I’d actually rather see McGloin give up a fresh pick-six than see this continued abuse of Bolden’s confidence continue.
- Matty Mac: ’I’m not other guys.’ Unleash that dragon, indeed.
- Treatment of JoePa’s future disussion: both probably obligatory & benign, which is what it deserves
Other:
- Wow, I didn’t realize that timeout situation was that egregious (watched the last drive on gamecast & the twitter). Ugly. I wonder if it would have been as bad if Joe had been on the sideline. As we saw in that MSU/Wiscy game, it’s always an awkward time when one team goes from panicky & time-conservative to ‘ok, we’re about to score, let’s burn some clock’. It’s hardly ever graceful, but this sounds like very nearly game-costing.
- 20 tackles & 4.5 TFL’s from the D tackles? Manly. Gawd I love those guys.
- In addition to another beastly game from Hodges, Astorino was making nice open-field plays as well. Love that kid!
Man, I really love this team. Go Lions!
by jtothep on Oct 31, 2011 11:42 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Yeah
Bolden shouldn’t see the field at this point unless there’s an injury or a blowout. Not so much for the team’s sake, but for his own. I can’t see how this is helping him at all.
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Coaching malpractice
Like many of us, I was disgusted with the coaches’ decision to replace McGloin with Bolden in the second quarter. As Chris says in the article, playing Rob for the entire second quarter "was coaching malpractice." It was not only unfair to the team, but it was also not fair to Rob, himself. He needs to play in situations where there is at least a chance he can be successful and his psyche doesn’t take a hit.
What were the coaches hoping for by putting him into a game under such conditions (sloppy field, cold weather) against one of the better defenses in the league? It seems to me that he has been steadily regressing this season. His play has been embarrassing at times and it’s likely that he has lost confidence. The result was predictable, as was the booing. The coaches have often talked about Rob’s great potential. Could they be ruining a potentially good quarterback?
Bolden's problem
I think his biggest problem is he’s not mentally tough enough to play on this level. Rather than take that criticism and use it to motivate himself to get better, he pouts and sulks and feels like he’s not being treated fairly. Or he gets down on himself for making mistakes instead of shaking it off and going after it on the next play.
I think he’s just mentally wrecked right now. He played better when he was a true freshman and too inexperienced to realize how hard it is to compete on this level.
This
at this point I think he’s just thinking too much and second guessing himself. Also, he seems to lack good pocket presence. He holds onto the ball way too long, then panics and ends up running into his own lineman or a defender.
Unfortunately, Rob Bolden may be the preeminent example of Joe’s philosophy of rather playing a guy too late than too early.
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Bolden proves Joe's reluctance of playing freshman.
Especially at qb. I think he’d be so much better at this point if he hadn’t been thrust into the starting qb position as a completely unprepared freshman. Had he sat last year and maybe even redshirted he could’ve taken his time learning by watching instead of by trying not to get killed. When I was a freshman I didn’t even know where the heck my classes were, let alone have to worry about what to do when a bunch of 23 year old linebackers blitz me.
And let’s face it – he only “won” the job because the others ahead of him were so bad. So really this is all the fault of………Devlin transferring! (I don’t really believe that last line – I just threw it out there because it’s such an infamous topic on BSD.)
Maybe its time to face the proposition that
Bolden just might have peaked as a player at the high school level. It happens.
PSU Bye Bye Week.....
Yea, I watched the Illinois game….. Yea, I experienced the joy of a win….. Yea, I experienced a spectrum of emotions before the miraculous “bonk” of the football hitting the right upright and careening into the netherworld of Illini nightmares and “what if’s!”
Yea, I continue to marvel at a team so determined it can prevail without an offense!
But I still despair when I see the continuing disfunction of press box coaching….. Tom and Larry coach the D from the sidelines ~~ the D and special teams distinguish themselves! JoPa, JayPa and Galen coach the O from the press box, but I suspect Galen is a prop with as much input as the Nittany Lion….. JoPa leans on JayPa to decide between QB’s Ichabod Crane and the Mad Hatter, Sleepy Hollow vs. the rabbit hole….. They decide Redd is really Superman and no one else should run the ball…..
But the O rises above the coaching ~ scores a TD in the 58th minute for a three-point lead ~ the Illinois FG robot misfires and, voila! PSU is 8-1!!! Euphoria!!! JoPa adds to his legend ~ JayPa says BOO him, not Ichabod ~ and Galen tends to snow removal.
8-1!!! Major bowl-bound!!! Oops ~~ season’s not over!!! Bye week coming up….. Suck-up all the euphoria you can, because I suspect it’ll be a bye-bye week for the Nittanys, the national rankings, the B10 Championship, etc….. Three games remain to be played and not a cupcake among ’em!!!
So what??? An 8-4 record will still merit a bowl! Then, maybe, JoPa will retire to the Press Box and enjoy his status as Living Legend Emeritus, JayPa will find new employment in a field more suited to his abilities [not coaching college football/college QB’s] and Galen will have time to rue his decision to coach at Penn State! Maybe!!! We can hope…..
For the final home game I suggest JoPa, JayPa and Galen coach from the Corner Room ~~ and I’ll buy the coffee and sticky-buns!!!
Nebraska! Ohio State! Wisconsin! 3-0? 0-3? 11-1? 8-4?
Wanna bet???
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