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Dear Matthew McGloin

Thank you for all you've done for the PSU program. Without you last year, I can't say with certainty we would have made it to the Outback Bowl.

Thank you for the spark you provide on offense. They seem to move pretty well when you get in their faces.

Thank you for giving Joe Paterno his 400th win. It was a sight that brought tears to my eyes.

Star-divide

Thank you for extending our streak against Michigan. I was getting sick of those assholes beating us time after time. 

Thank you for doing the impossible and actually throwing TWO touchdown passes against OSU, at the shoe.

Thank you for that second-half rally against Michigan State. For a second there, I thought we would win.

Thank you for your fight against Florida. Had you finished that drive, we would have won the game.

Thank you for competing through spring ball and fall camp. I'm sure it made the both of you better.

Thank you for proving you have a lot of work to do with your performance against Alabama, even if you're hesitant to admit it.

Thank you for playing your part in the Temple game. We needed that tough environment.

Thank you for your drives against Indiana, as ugly a win as that was, we pulled it off with your help.

However, Matthew McGloin, I have to humbly ask you: Stop running your mouth, and get better. Don't talk about what you deserve and what you want to be called, and actually play like the QB you think you are. 

Here are a couple of things you need to understand about the current situation:

1) You are indeed a former walk-on. You have the chance to be a starter, but as stated above, you have to play better.

2) You may not realize it, but being a former walk-on is actually an advantage. Here are some comparisons to keep in mind, Matthew McGloin:

a) When you have a mediocre day on the field, fans, the media, and just about everyone else, praise you. When you have bad day, people expect you to, because you're the former walk-on. Expectations were never high for you. Whereas, when your counterpart has a mediocre day, he's not playing up to his potential. And when he has a bad day, everybody seems to think he just didn't pan out. Expectations were high for him, so anything outside of excellence is unacceptable for him.

b) You play to win [the starting job]. He plays not to lose [the starting job].

c) You play with a chip on your shoulder. You have nothing to lose. He plays looking over his shoulder, because he has everything to lose. 

3) You've been in the system longer than your counterpart. A lot longer. This has proven to be beneficial for you in the past, because your coach likes to play people who have been in the system for a while. The other thing this provides you with is greater familiarity with the playbook, and it shows. You are able to go through your progressions a lot faster, but somehow, you're still performing on par with your counterpart. 

a) Remember last year, Matthew. McGloin? your counterpart got injured, and you took over for him. Sparks flew, everything bright, lit it up, everything awesome. Then your counterpart healed. However, he got yanked after one mistake. You, on the other hand, stayed in mistake after mistake after mistake. Wouldn't you agree with me, that this may have been because you were in the system longer?

Some people will say that I'm being too harsh on you, Matthew McGloin. To those people I say "if stars don't matter, and what matters is performance once you're in, why are we holding you, Matthew McGloin, to a different standard than your counterpart?"

In closing, I just want you to know that I do hold you to the same standards as I hold your counterpart, Matthew McGloin. However, until you prove to us that you're ready to be infinitely better (not marginally better) against everybody, you will still be the former walk-on fighting for a starting spot, Matthew McGloin.

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After all that, I have one question

If this…

I just want you to know that I do hold you to the same standards as I hold your counterpart, Matthew McGloin.

Then why this?

until you prove to us that you’re ready to be infinitely better (not marginally better) against everybody, you will still be the former walk-on fighting for a starting spot, Matthew McGloin.

Because by definition, you’re holding the former walk-on to a different, “infinitely better” standard than the four-star QB recruit.

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by Adam Collyer on Oct 5, 2011 1:57 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

He didn't say he wasn't holding RB to that same standard

did he?

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by Mike Pettigano on Oct 5, 2011 6:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

To me, they're both playing like a former walk-on.

And have to prove that they’re infinitely better than the other before I am confident they’re the starter.

If Paterno(s) and Co. decide to just go with one from Saturday on, I’m more than ok with that. But while they’re both playing I need to see at least an error-free* day from one and an error-prone day from the other to believe there’s separation.

*and I’m going beyond interceptions here when I say error-free.

by misdreavus79 on Oct 5, 2011 6:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Man,that's a pretty harsh standard

you seem to want to hold them to. Error-free? Show me a game that Joe Montana was error-free. Show me a game that any PSU QB was completely error-free. I’m glad I don’t work for a person like you ‘cause I bet that’d be a load of fun. They’re kids playing at D-1 level…they’re going to make mistakes. Cut them both some slack.

"Illegitimus non Carborundum!" (Don't let the bastards wear you down)

by RWReese on Oct 5, 2011 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

You're right. It's a pretty high expectation, but stop taking my words so literally.

HOWEVER, with our fan base, it’s almost the only way we can say one is infinitely better than the other without having some fans try to pick apart the mistakes one made to prove why the other is better.

P.S.: If you don’t have high expectations, how do you get better?. Show me a coach that tells their players “oh just go out and do what you can, don’t try too hard though, we don’t need you to play perfect” and I’ll show you a team that won’t win a single game. You honestly don’t think the team comes out of the locker room expecting to play a perfect game? They do.

by misdreavus79 on Oct 6, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

If he takes your words literally, it's not his fault.

It’s yours.

"Who do you think you are? You’re the son-of-a-bitch that sat at that desk over there and fired Johnny Cash. Let it go down in history that you’re the dumbest son-of-a-bitch I’ve ever met." - Merle Haggard

by ReadingRambler on Oct 6, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

What's tough to understand about that point?

It looks pretty straight-forward to me. But I’m felling pretty stabby this week, and I’ve seen this issue come up a few times this fall, so I’ll take a …. stab at it.

The words you choose and how you organize them is your responsibility. They’re the tools you use to try to articulate a cogent point. Until you hit ‘post’ you can edit and rearrange them all you like, but once you do, it’s published and your job is mostly over.

Reader misunderstanding is still in play: they could have gleaned a totally different point than you actually conveyed. But when what readers are gleaning is what you actually conveyed using your chosen arrangement of words, that shit’s on you. Which leaves you with a few general courses of action:
- ‘defend your writing vigorously’, use some form of ‘you took my words out of context’ defense
- tell others to stop taking your own words/arrangement literally (your choice above)
- re-read your own words and cop to any sloppiness (check out iceice’s version of this one here)
- [crickets], /walk away

Hope that helps.

by jtothep on Oct 6, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

P.S.:

The reason why I addressed McGloin in the post is because the fans, along with the media, are proclaiming to be the “clear” frontrunner in this race. If he indeed is the clear frontrunner as everybody seems to believe, then it’s time he starts playing like one.

When people start proclaiming that Bolden is the clear frontrunner without any improvement in his play then you’ll see a post just like this one addressing him.

by misdreavus79 on Oct 5, 2011 7:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Huh

Seems like a lot to lay at the feet of a young kid who is probably just as frustrated at the QB carousel as we are as fans. And I’m betting Rob Bolden is pretty frustrated too. These are two kids who I think have done more or less reasonably well when talking to the press given their age, experience, and probable frustration level.

You talk about the two of them being held to different standards? Seems to me you’re holding them to different standards as well. Yes, McGloin has been in the system longer but why is it that everyone keeps clamoring for one or the other to get more game-snaps? Because true experience is developed on the field against other teams. McGloin has just as much as Bolden in terms of game-time experience. Yeah, last year McGloin threw a bunch of picks but so did Bolden. Now, with roughly the same amount of game experience Bolden has what…four INTs and one passing TD and McGloin IS THE ONLY B1G QB WITHOUT AN INT and has generated for more points than Bolden. Gee…I’d say he’s producing better results. He’s played less snaps this year, generated more yardage, generated more points, made way less mistakes, and yet he’s still splitting snaps with Bolden.

We keep pointing to the QB play as the problem, but let’s focus on the real problems…coaching and O-line play (which I think is a function of coaching). Maybe it’s time we cut the QBs…both of them…a little slack and not nit pick and jump all over everything they do or say and give them the benefit of the doubt that they are just as tired of the criticism and the QB carousel as we are. They’re kids, not pro athletes. At this point I’m betting neither one ever sees a snap at the NFL level so in a couple years they’ll both be selling cars at Don’s Used Car lot with their PSU degree and rehashing the glory days. Give ’em a break.

"Illegitimus non Carborundum!" (Don't let the bastards wear you down)

by RWReese on Oct 5, 2011 9:12 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I disagree with a lot in here.

Especially the idea being in the system 3 times longer is not important. Game snaps are important, definitely. But you are giving them too much credit. He has 3.5 years in the system compared to 1.5. If he weren’t far more comfortable running the offense, there would be something majorly wrong with him, or freakishly brilliant about Bolden. I also think McGloin is allowed to get away with more than any player in PSU history attitude wise. Not sure the reason, won’t speculate on it.

HOWEVER, your conclusion is spot on, and this post is a weird way to express . . . whatever it is he trying to be expressed. (1) You are right, they wouldn’t matter all that much if we could run the ball effectively and we could get a play into the huddle without a clusterf*&^. (2) Is it really their fault that Bolden looks more and more like he should be holding a clipboard and McGloin should be an effective emergency option? These are two bad options right now, but we are not really asking why we don’t have a better option, or a more effective offense to mask their deficiencies.

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by PSUinBOSSton on Oct 5, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

*2.5 times more experience

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by PSUinBOSSton on Oct 5, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

You speak with great wisdom
Everyone needs to release the hate on both sides…giving in to it only leads to the dark side of the Force

by psu on Oct 5, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Something, something darkside.

Something, something complete.

"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."

-J.V.Pa.

by psume06 on Oct 5, 2011 2:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Dear misdreavus79

Thank you for supporting Penn State.

Please don’t be a douche-bag; it reflects poorly on all of us.

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Oct 5, 2011 9:23 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

I don't follow

McGloin has played better than Bolden, but still not up to par. What’s wrong with saying STFU until you actually play well rather than incrementally better than the other guy? I would endorse a similar open letter to Bolden if the roles were reversed. Moxie is great when you’re actually playing well, it reflects poorly on all of us when there is little performance to back it up (see, e.g., Pitt).

by kijana's acl on Oct 5, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I just found the "open letter" to be condescending and unnecessary

Matt McGloin should play better? No shit, sherlock. So should the whole offense.

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Oct 5, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

I think the point was: until you play better

don’t talk/act like you’ve earned anything.

It’s a small distinction, but it makes it less dickish in my mind.

by kijana's acl on Oct 5, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

that is less dickish

but i haven’t seen McGloin say anything. There seem to be some internet rumors that he blew up at one of the coaches, but is there anything close to a reliable source that shows that? Do we have video? Am I missing something?

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Oct 5, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

This is what ticks me off

Bolden says he’s proven he’s the number 1 guy….no one cares….no one says that he should STFU and play.

McGloin says he’s the number 1 guy and it rubs people the wrong way.

So go ahead and write your open letter to Bolden.

by JRM397 on Oct 5, 2011 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

What the hell is this?

Calling out a player for… playing slightly better than another player who isn’t living up to expectations? For showing the cockiness we actually like in a QB?

I just don't want to die without a few scars. ~Chuck Palahniuk, Fight Club, Chapter 6

by LB31Monster on Oct 5, 2011 9:28 AM EDT reply actions  

Comportment

fitting of performance — make them match — that’s all I ask.

"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein

by SubLime on Oct 5, 2011 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Ok,

this is getting weirder and weirder. People need to stop pretending to write to a college QB, and/or pretending to respond as one. GEEESH.

by wxguy519 on Oct 5, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

But how do we know

that Smee ISN’T McGloin?!?!

"Illegitimus non Carborundum!" (Don't let the bastards wear you down)

by RWReese on Oct 5, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Easy

Let’s send him 20$ and see if McGloin gets kicked off the team, this would also remedy our QB controversy.

by psu on Oct 5, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

You'd have to send more than that

More like a used car a week for seven months along with coupons for free tats as well as a nice summer job paying $83K a week plus prostitutes. That might get it done. Of course, if he’s not McGloin then Smee is going to be one happy guy.

"Illegitimus non Carborundum!" (Don't let the bastards wear you down)

by RWReese on Oct 5, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Even if it was McGloin,

I still think he’d be a pretty happy guy. At least until the NCAA found out and suspended him or the prostitutes give him the clap.

"It's never a bad thing thing to vote for the suckiness of tOSU." -RWReese

by Paige2PSU on Oct 5, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

and by ‘clap,’ of course you mean – the golf clap

" When you cross that Blue Line, you are mine...Across the Blue Line, it's all football. " " And what you need to do in your life is paint Blue Lines everywhere. " - Joe Paterno 2009

by BlueWhiteLife on Oct 6, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of course.

"It's never a bad thing thing to vote for the suckiness of tOSU." -RWReese

by Paige2PSU on Oct 6, 2011 8:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Because Smee knows far too much

about the pre-1980s J. Geils Band to be of McGloin’s age.

Pack fair and square.

"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein

by SubLime on Oct 5, 2011 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Nice..

At least you didn’t go with Air Supply

"Illegitimus non Carborundum!" (Don't let the bastards wear you down)

by RWReese on Oct 6, 2011 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I am ashamed

that I still have my first Three Dog Night album though.

*

by Smee on Oct 6, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

That's okay...TDN were fun

but if you have Barry Manilow or The Carpenters or The Captain & Tennille then I worry. Any of those are just a glass of Merlot away from a crying jag.

"Illegitimus non Carborundum!" (Don't let the bastards wear you down)

by RWReese on Oct 6, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

saw Three Dog Night at Bowman Field in Billtown

sister took me, I was 8 or 9, 69ish I believe.

My grammer skills need improved.

by BMAN13 on Oct 6, 2011 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, it was around 1972.

My brother (‘75 PSU) was home from Vietnam and attending WACC at the time. He went to the same concert and sang "Eli’s Coming" for the next five years. He also developed my like of TDN and Chicago.

"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.

"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."

by PSU_Lions_84 on Oct 9, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

We moved from Williamsport to Lancaster Thanksgiving "71 so it was before that. I'm thinking 70

I can base a lot of my childhood memories around big events, moved from Osceola Mills to Altoona, 64, Altoona to Williamsport 68. Concert could have been ’71, not sure mom would have let me go at 9.

My grammer skills need improved.

by BMAN13 on Oct 9, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did I miss something the last few days that brought this post on?

I thought MM was a tad over the top last year, but that was last year. He really hasn’t said anything this year to warrant this unless i missed something recently. He, as has Rob, has said he would prefer one to play but he has made it very clear that if that choice is RB, he was fully support the team and work hard. People do grow up, people do say dumb stuff the first time they get on the big stage, sometimes. It seems like since MM has been slightly outplaying RB lately that now we must bust on him for being overly cocky LAST year. We bust on his Fla performance. If you actually have to jump on a QB’s bandwagon instead of supporting whoever is playing, them bust on them for their performances this year. Did MM cost PSU its only loss this year? No. He also hasn’t won any games on his own this year, but at least keep the anti MM stuff to how he has performed and acted this season. Not sure I understand the point of the drawn out post because you think the kid is a jerk. Lots of athletes are jerks, if he was killing it on the field this would never get posted even if we would all think it. Why use something like this to bust on him when it means absolutely nothing in the entire realm of the competition, unless, no matter how much better MM plays you don’t want him to start because he is jerk. If memory serves me right the younger of the Sacca brothers was quite a jerk too but didn’t get hammered like this.

My grammer skills need improved.

by BMAN13 on Oct 5, 2011 11:50 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

What a sad, pathetic posting

I expected to see stuff like this in this blog as the (true) fans, and a number of former pro-bolden media types are all coming around to the realization that McG is the QB that needs and deserves to be the starter.

“You have the chance to be a starter, but as stated above, you have to play better.”
 “You are able to go through your progressions a lot faster, but somehow, you’re still performing on par with your counterpart.”

OK, lets take a brief look at the reality that misdreavus79 and all the other McG haters here refuse to accept:

Bolden: 46.5 % completion percentage, McGloin: 63 percent

Bolden: 88.6 % efficiency rating, McGloin: 146.8 percent

Bolden: 1-to-3 TD-to-interception ratio, McGloin: 3-to-0 ratio.

Bolden: 11.6 yards per completion, McGloin: 12.4 yards

Going back to last season, McGloin has led 32 touchdown drives to 15 for Bolden. McGloin has led eight touchdown drives to Bolden’s four this season

McGloin is No. 4 in the Big Ten in pass efficiency (625 yards, 4 TDs, 0 INTs)

McGloin is one of only 5 QB’s in the country with at least 70 passing attempts that has NO interceptions.

So according to your standards, McG has not only clearly outplayed Bolden but has shown more improvement this year.

Your post brings to mind the old saying that I’ll paraphrase here: “There are none so blind as those who will not see”

by Nectir on Oct 5, 2011 5:25 PM EDT reply actions  

I think you missed the entire point of this

but I’m really intrigued by the “pro-bolden [sic] media types”. Who are they and what is their agenda? I bet it’s pro-PRC, right?

by kijana's acl on Oct 5, 2011 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Pro Bolden" types

See Bob Flounders article on Bolden after the Alabama game…not quite sure how a quarterback locks up the QB position by leading the offense to 11pts…8 of which were in junk time.

by JRM397 on Oct 5, 2011 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

pro-PRC

They’re Maoists?

Although the program could use some sort of Great Leap Forward (without the cheap, backyard steel of course).

"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein

by SubLime on Oct 5, 2011 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

Trying to undermine America at every turn by “giving” Bolden the job, lead paint laden toys and cheap drywall. They are in cahoots with all central PA newspapers.

by kijana's acl on Oct 5, 2011 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

And all of the murders.

"It's never a bad thing thing to vote for the suckiness of tOSU." -RWReese

by Paige2PSU on Oct 5, 2011 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

remove i-aa, MAC, minny, and indiana stats, and let me know what it shows

because I don’t care about any stats in those games save one….a minimum 30 point victory,

"my dad says Michigan used to be good"

by hbeach08 on Oct 5, 2011 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought this was pro-Bolden?

I thought they had a club with a secret handshake and everything!

by kijana's acl on Oct 5, 2011 9:09 PM EDT reply actions  

It's tough to be pro-Bolden nowadays...

you can only repeat how he outperformed McGloin in the Alabama game so many times.

by JRM397 on Oct 5, 2011 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow, it's funny how people focused on 1 part of my post, and completely ignored the other part

1) I am severely undermining Bolden by saying McGloin is just as good (in fact, marginally better) than him. So no, this is not a pro-Bolden, anti-McGloin type thing.

2) The point of the post, which only few people seem to get, is that people (including McGloin himself) should let the performance on the field do the talking and leave it at that.

3) I addressed this to McGloin solely for the continuity of the post, since I thanked him for everything he’s done in the first part. This could easily be addressed to the fans and the media and have the exact same message. In fact, replace Matthew McGloin with Robert R. Bolden in this very post, flip-flop former walk-on with 4/5 start recruit, and it’s the same message.

4) What’s dickish about asking one of our QBs to play better if he feels he’s better? Dickish is the people who were wishing he got hurt, or the people who (in this very thread) joked about getting him suspended.

However, since this is such a touchy subject and people are so irritable about anything anybody says about the players, this will most likely be the last time you hear anything from me regarding any of the QBs. I’m not in the business of hurting anybody’s feelings over something as trivial and as forgotten three years from now.

by misdreavus79 on Oct 6, 2011 12:12 PM EDT reply actions  

why it comes across as anti-mcgloin..

bolden said virtually said the exact same things as mcgloin. He said he feels that he has proven on the field that he is the number 1 and he feels that by starting the coaches agree…so why take issue with mcgloin when he says he thinks he should start?

What answer can they really give? “No the other guy is better…I have no clue why the coaches keep throwing me out there. I think paterno just has trouble telling us apart.”

by JRM397 on Oct 6, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okay.....

Am I the only one losing his mind over this? I don’t think I am. Let’s have a group hug, sing a couple rounds of Kumbaya, light up a doob, take a drink, pick a flower, listen to a Windham Hill CD, and think happy thoughts.

"Illegitimus non Carborundum!" (Don't let the bastards wear you down)

by RWReese on Oct 6, 2011 1:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Stalker alert!!

"It's never a bad thing thing to vote for the suckiness of tOSU." -RWReese

by Paige2PSU on Oct 6, 2011 8:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

My tea's gone cold, I'm wonderin' why I got out of bed at all...

…The mornin’ rain clouds up my window and I can’t see at all.

/Stan’d

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by Adam Collyer on Oct 6, 2011 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

1. Did you write a love letter to Matt McGloin?

2. Oh shit, there’s stickers.

WE'RE DANCIN!!!

by bigs26 on Oct 7, 2011 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

I listed to Eminem's "Stan"

when I read this post. We need to re-do some lyrics on that for this situation.

With firmness in the right, as God gives us to see the right
- A.Lincoln

by SarcasmJam on Oct 7, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Priceless

"Illegitimus non Carborundum!" (Don't let the bastards wear you down)

by RWReese on Oct 7, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

And thank you Matthew McGloin

for doing what neither DC nor MRob could do, and beat Iowa for us.

Tonight you have proven to me not that you are infinitely better than Bolden, but that should start for the rest of the season

by misdreavus79 on Oct 8, 2011 6:55 PM EDT reply actions  

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