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Rollcall of the Banned

Here is at least a partial list of those commenters who have been banned from BSD: 06Lion Paige2PSU jtothep MainLion OctaShields I am mostly a "rules" kind of guy. I drive right at the speed limit, at 2 am I stop at flashing red lights, etc. I realize there have to be limits in order to maintain civility and decorum, but I also realize that stressful events create a huge range and depth of emotions. Therefore, the limits of tolerance should be stretched during those times of extreme stress. Honestly, I don't know what led to each of these folks being banned. I did stumble across part of a debate between jtothep and one of the mods, but didn't lock onto it enough to know it would lead to the bannhammer. I will say that, IN MY OPINION, that particular mod was thin-skinned in some instances AND was engaged in some self-congratulatory postings: He posted letters from non-PSU fans that essentially praised him for criticizing some opinions that were counter to his own. Perhaps I don't perfectly understand the nature of BSD. I thought it was a public forum that was sponsored by a few gracious folks. Is it instead a bully pulpit for a few, with those few only tolerating the rest of us (esp. when our posts happen to coincide with the party line)? As I have mentioned before, I think BSD has been far above the other message sites; thus the bannings come as a shock and disappointment. I will stress again: I do NOT know exactly what led to the bans. I am posting this to ask that the tolerance limits in these stressful times be broadened, not curtailed. I agree that respect is important and that personal attacks should not be allowed; beyond those vague boundaries I hope that it is recognized that the events of this week have been hugely disruptive to us all, and that strong reactions are to be expected. De Oppresso Liber 84 P.S. Apparently my formatting skills are sadly lacking. Sorry for the run-on paragraph.



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Hope to get this moved to the active page.

"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.

"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."

by PSU_Lions_84 on Nov 13, 2011 11:08 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Whoa

I did not see any of this transpire as I have been keeping somewhat away from the fray over the last week.

As a blogosphere character reference, I would say that all of them are staunch PSU fans who for the most part are moderate in their commenting and I have a hard time believing that they would be so over the top as to be banned.

In this time of tragedy at PSU when tempers, emotions, and perspectives are challenged, maybe a little restraint is in order as we let people play through their feelings. I’m going to try to take some time and sort through the threads to see where their alleged transgressions lie to form my own opinion as to the justness of their banishment.

I really hope though that a moderator was not self-serving in his action (a little like a Board of Trustees firing a Coach just because they COULD).

"Illegitimus non Carborundum!" (Don't let the bastards wear you down)

by RWReese on Nov 13, 2011 11:12 AM EST reply actions   2 recs

Additionally,

As so many in the nation seem bent against PSU, maybe we can ill afford to let any solid supporters feel left out in the cold. I think ALL PSU supporters need the support of ALL PSU supporters now.

"Illegitimus non Carborundum!" (Don't let the bastards wear you down)

by RWReese on Nov 13, 2011 11:14 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Not really sure what happened either. Some the of threads were so long, I could not keep up or really care to follow.

I know there were some personal attacks/cursing but overall I think everyone was being a little oversensitive (both sides) and we should all move on.

This week was a worst case scenario for PSU and brought out the worst in many of us.

Who knows…what a crazy week.

May no act.................

by SweepTheLeg on Nov 13, 2011 11:19 AM EST reply actions  

One more thought

There seems to be a small subset of people still upset Mike H moved on to higher calling, I don’t think people realize/appreciate the amount of time and effort it takes to run BSD. All that work takes away serious time from God/Family/etc…you really can’t do both well.

I like when Mike chimes in here at BSD and he makes some excellent points but his passion seemed to move on to God/Family…and I respect that more than anyone knows.

Finally – I really like the “new BSD”, tons of info and a one stop shop for great PSU info. Mike/Fugi could not provide the same amount of info currently on this site, if they did they would have no life and dedicate all time here.

Just my thoughts…not that anyone asked.

May no act.................

by SweepTheLeg on Nov 13, 2011 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Thanks, guys, for encouraging moderation and tolerance.

Just as with any other families, there will be spats and disagreements. I hope none of those lead to long-term estrangements . . .

"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.

"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."

by PSU_Lions_84 on Nov 13, 2011 11:26 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Not to zoom in too much, but the "We Get Letters" fanpost on 10 Nov

is the one that seemed a bit much to me. Followed by that mod bropping the hammer on some folks who vociferously disagreed is what is causing me to address this situation.

"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.

"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."

by PSU_Lions_84 on Nov 13, 2011 11:31 AM EST reply actions  

Personally, I thought the bans were absurd

The whole situation went down like this:
 - Mod says Joe supporters are brainwashed
 - Commenters take offense and call out mod
 - Mod says that he will ban anyone who makes a personal attack
 - Commenters proceed to make personal attacks and get banned

Seemed to me like someone got smug that people agreed with him, but then couldn’t handle the flak when people here got pissed about his attitude.

I would hope that these bans are uplifted, but at this point I’m not so sure that the banned parties would come back anyway after the whole ordeal.

by ppfcpp on Nov 13, 2011 11:37 AM EST reply actions   2 recs

Thanks, ppfcpp, for the background

and great summary. That was my impression of what went down, but is sounds like you were there with boots on the ground.

"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.

"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."

by PSU_Lions_84 on Nov 13, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Uhhh... why were most of these people banned?

I agree with STL, the site has been better, but I don’t know why those people would be banned :/

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by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Nov 13, 2011 11:39 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Again - I think everyone on BOTH sides was a bit oversensitive.

It was an emotional week, throw in some personal attacks/etc…things happen that normally would not.

May no act.................

by SweepTheLeg on Nov 13, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

I will agree there

But if the same comments had been made, but directed at someone other than that mod, I don’t think they would have been banned. That’s what bothers me, and leads me to believe that he just couldn’t handle the criticism.

by ppfcpp on Nov 13, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

I just skimmed through that thread, and did not see any cursing.

I saw strong opinions voiced against one person, who has the power of the BanBomb.

I gotta take a break, guys; I fear I am going to get personal, and that is not constructive for our brothers and sisters now sitting in durance vile.

"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.

"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."

by PSU_Lions_84 on Nov 13, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Looking at that list

Almost all of them are long time BSD’ers, back in the days of old Mike and before this place went corporate. Its really sad, give people a break. Its a blog of all fans, good and bad, trolls and moles. Either you let it all play or none play, and if what is said is true. I think I’m going to write SBNation and say hey, what the heck crap is going on at BSD. Why are long time community members being banned? What rule did they break? And if so, didn’t the Mod break it too?

This shit would never happen in the military.

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by Kunza on Nov 13, 2011 11:50 AM EST reply actions  

D.O.L., brother.

"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.

"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."

by PSU_Lions_84 on Nov 13, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Well old Mike has moved on for his own personal reasons...we should all move on also IMO

Would I like to see the bans go away? Yes.

Will I lose any sleep over it? No…I am more concerned with family/job/etc

Not sure what SBN will do about it, cursing out fellow members is probably against the rules. Although I have no idea what the actual rules are on here.

Anyway – done with this topic and out of my hands…I just hope everyone appreciates the amount of work that goes into this site by ALL the staff…I doubt there is very little if any pay and you will never make everyone happy so you are open to criticism.

BTW – Ben Jones was an absolute stud this week.

May no act.................

by SweepTheLeg on Nov 13, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not going to comment on the bans, but this...
back in the days of old Mike and before this place went corporate.

…is mildly awesome simply because the idea that BSD went “corporate” exists.

Next thing you know, we’ll move from playing hardcore shows to pop punk on 94.5 PST and Z-100.

@JPosnanski - I saw a girl crying tonight. When I asked why she said: "Because everybody lost."

#OccupyESPN


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by Adam Collyer on Nov 13, 2011 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Long time reader, first time poster

I’ve been a reader for a year or two now and the content has always been excellent, whether under Mike’s ownership or Chris’.

With that said, reading the comments has always been an equally rewarding experience for me because it allows me to gauge what other people are thinking about topics concerning Penn State sports (and the Civil War, when Rambler is around).

Many of those on the list have been a part of BSD for a while, and I feel that they’re as valuable as part of this community as any of the mods.

In what has certainly been one of the toughest weeks Penn State has ever seen, and the toughest BSD has ever seen, emotions have run hot and tempers have flared. Normally, personal attacks and the like should be ban material, but I feel that some leniency should be in order based on the events of this week. It’s been a rough week for all of us, and as things move forward I really wouldn’t want to lose the voices and opinions of those members on the ban list.

Just my 2 cents.

by kff5006 on Nov 13, 2011 12:20 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

Yes, just like North Korea and I am banning everyone that disagrees with me. Get a grip

FWIW – I don’t see people with differing opinions being banned.

Its when personal attacks and blatant cursing at Mods/other members happens the ban is placed. Again…I think people are way to sensitive on all sides and make differing opinions a “personal attack”, I can care less if people agree/disagree at the end of day…we are all entitled to opinions

BTW – thanks for your service RW…can’t be said enough

May no act.................

by SweepTheLeg on Nov 13, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

The posts that got Octashields and jtothep banned were not anywhere near banworthy in my opinion

http://www.blackshoediaries.com/2011/11/11/2553131/preview-nebraska-at-penn-state#82588507 is Octashields post, and jtot’s immediately follows.

That sequence is almost definitely Chris just having thin skin at the moment and blowing up.

I’m not exactly sure what Paige and the others did to get banned, since posts were happening so fast at the time, but I’m pretty sure Paige flat out said FU to Chris, and that some of the others were also getting pretty testy and disobedient with their comments. They probably earned a temporary ban just to cool down. I think Rambler received a similar temporary (36 hr) ban when this started, and I’m not positive but I think letsgopsu may also be a member of #teambanned

by The JuggerNitt on Nov 13, 2011 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

letsgo?

I thought so to, which is why I think maybe she wasn’t banned and just was showing solidarity with #teambanned?

by The JuggerNitt on Nov 13, 2011 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

She wasn't banned that I could find,

which is why I didn’t list her.

"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.

"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."

by PSU_Lions_84 on Nov 13, 2011 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

no she wasn't

self-imposed exile for a bit, IMO

Fire Dan Snyder

by Cari Greene on Nov 13, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for the clarification, NC.

Got any cupcakes?

"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.

"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."

by PSU_Lions_84 on Nov 13, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I just couldn't bring myself to bake this week.

Too depressed. So, nope…I had brownies already ready, though. Brownies are also excellent comfort food.

As are fried pickles and beer.

Fire Dan Snyder

by Cari Greene on Nov 13, 2011 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I am always a Comfort --

it’s my last name.

I can live with brownies — how quickly can you get them to North Carolina.

"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.

"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."

by PSU_Lions_84 on Nov 13, 2011 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I took them up to Paternoville this weekend

wanted to give some comfort to some of the students up there.

So, none left to give! :( Sorry!

Fire Dan Snyder

by Cari Greene on Nov 13, 2011 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

No worries!

Great to hear from you!

"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.

"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."

by PSU_Lions_84 on Nov 13, 2011 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Suddenly glad I didn't come up this weekend now that I know there would have been no cupcakes.

@JPosnanski - I saw a girl crying tonight. When I asked why she said: "Because everybody lost."

#OccupyESPN


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by Adam Collyer on Nov 13, 2011 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Blue-White game?

I tweeted about not baking them, but I think you haven’t been on twitter a whole lot recently

Fire Dan Snyder

by Cari Greene on Nov 13, 2011 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I haven't. Been working like a maniac, so if I'm online, I've been here.

Think positive – I’ll see you at the Rose Bowl. Find an oven.

@JPosnanski - I saw a girl crying tonight. When I asked why she said: "Because everybody lost."

#OccupyESPN


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by Adam Collyer on Nov 13, 2011 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I was not banned

I am Switzerland here. This week has been bad enough without dealing with this.

This is not a time to pick sides.

Today is the day I died inside 11/9/11

by letsgopsu on Nov 13, 2011 7:18 PM EST up reply actions  

just like with the Penn State situation

I am taking the side of not acting too swiftly to terminate people from their previous roles.

by The JuggerNitt on Nov 13, 2011 7:43 PM EST up reply actions  

This thread did melt down rapidly

as I discovered when revisiting it Saturday morning.

"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein

by SubLime on Nov 13, 2011 8:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I'm pretty sure the FU from Paige was what got her banned

It was in the direction of Chris after his tweet that caused all the chaos.

by GMac14 on Nov 13, 2011 8:37 PM EST up reply actions  

My two cents...

We should never talk about this week again.

Let down by my football coach. Disgraced by my University.

by jesse. on Nov 14, 2011 12:00 AM EST up reply actions  

I wish I could just give this whole week the 99 Minnesota game treatment

and just pretend it never happened. Unfortunately there are real victims here, and I guess I just can’t pretend they don’t exist.

by The JuggerNitt on Nov 14, 2011 12:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Minnesota 1999 & Sanduscky Scandal

I am never getting over either of them. I can’t pretend neither happened. Obviously one is so much worse than the other.

Reputation-Vile Thing! (Othello)

by nits4ever on Nov 14, 2011 7:14 AM EST up reply actions  

I had figured

Most of them just stopped posting as it has/had been a long week(s).

I feel a warning or a temp ban would have been enough to get them to cool down. I would like to see them get unbanned as they are a big part of this board.

by archerbullseye on Nov 13, 2011 2:57 PM EST reply actions  

Welcome back, Octa, and hope to see the others restored at an appropriate time.

Thank you also to the Mod(s) who, I assume, reviewed the situation and are taking appropriate action.

84

"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.

"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."

by PSU_Lions_84 on Nov 13, 2011 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Apparently 84 is the big swinging d1ck around here...he can bring people back from the other side in just a few hours

We need to become friends…can always use a powerful person in my corner.

May no act.................

by SweepTheLeg on Nov 13, 2011 4:09 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

STL,

I would prefer to be addressed as “Large Richard” rather than “big dick”, if you don’t mind. LOL!!!

Seriously, the only thing I did was highlight a situation that seemed to be out-of-whack. You guys’ thoughtful comments and viewpoints provided the tipping point for the review and reinstatement(s).

"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.

"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."

by PSU_Lions_84 on Nov 13, 2011 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks, new BFF!

"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.

"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."

by PSU_Lions_84 on Nov 13, 2011 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

This just in:

STL likes “Large Richards” to back him up in the corner.

by The JuggerNitt on Nov 13, 2011 6:21 PM EST up reply actions  

glad to see you're back

I’m still, aside from this post, sticking to my self-imposed ban…all of our emotions are at an extreme high, and while I debated jumping on here in an attempt to bring some defense, justification, or perspective of my friends who were banned, I decided against it so as not to join #teambanned myself. I haven’t read through all of the threads to see exactly what was said that justified banning in the mods’ minds, but as 84 so eloquently stated above, I believe more discretion was required, especially with those who have been longtime posters on these boards (and thus are obviously not trolls).

Anyway, again, I’m glad you’re back (I’ll see you on twitter), but I doubt I’ll see you on here for a bit.

Fire Dan Snyder

by Cari Greene on Nov 13, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

and also

@I believe Junny should ban the f**k out of AdamShell. @

That is all.

Fire Dan Snyder

by Cari Greene on Nov 13, 2011 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Adam Shell is the

worst person ever

May no act.................

by SweepTheLeg on Nov 13, 2011 4:17 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

/waves
/ducks

@JPosnanski - I saw a girl crying tonight. When I asked why she said: "Because everybody lost."

#OccupyESPN


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by Adam Collyer on Nov 13, 2011 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

me too!

so I am very disappointed its funniness was lost in my sarcasm font failure.

Fire Dan Snyder

by Cari Greene on Nov 13, 2011 7:26 PM EST up reply actions  

A spectre?

Fear not, fear not, thou wedding guest!
     This body dropt not down.

"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein

by SubLime on Nov 13, 2011 8:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Boo!

(That should say all anyone needs to know about the intellectual chasm between you and I, SubLime)

"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.

by OctaShields on Nov 13, 2011 9:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Welcome Back Octa

Reputation-Vile Thing! (Othello)

by nits4ever on Nov 13, 2011 10:19 PM EST up reply actions  

thank you

I was in State College all weekend, so I was really only blocked from when I was banned until I left to drive up about 2 hours later. Hopefully we can all learn lessons and put it behind us.

"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.

by OctaShields on Nov 13, 2011 10:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Rambler got banned?!

I missed all this banning and I can’t believe some of those who got banned.

But Rambler…RAMBLER?? Man, all I can think of is “Animal House” and “They took the bar! The whole F**KING BAR!!”

by J Breezy on Nov 13, 2011 5:30 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Yes,

He’s been banned a couple of times. I think he even asked to be once.

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by Kunza on Nov 13, 2011 6:25 PM EST up reply actions  

F That

Even if they’re reinstated now, I can’t imagine people like Paige or JtotheP doing enough to warrant a ban.

I’m fine with the new site as it is, but there’s clearly a “old school/new school” thing going on here. Sounds to me like one of the mods might want to remember this isn’t Slow States…

"We heard all that talk all week about the SEC and their speed, but we knew personally that they weren't nearly as tough as us."

-Tony Hunt

by Cpiritual27 on Nov 13, 2011 6:30 PM EST reply actions  

Well before Slow States both Kevin and Chris were here...after they left it was Fugi and Devon? Think that is right

I “think” the basic rules are no personal attacks, politics, religion, or threats.

May no act.................

by SweepTheLeg on Nov 13, 2011 6:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I remember...

…but that was also when Mike was running the ship.

Again, I have NO problem with the site in its current format. However, guys like Chris and Jeff clearly have different sets of opinions than the previous regime, and don’t seem as open to difference of opinion.

"We heard all that talk all week about the SEC and their speed, but we knew personally that they weren't nearly as tough as us."

-Tony Hunt

by Cpiritual27 on Nov 13, 2011 6:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Fugi yes,

but Devon was banned by Mike a ways back. I think Adam Colyer was a holdover.

Yo fumo español

by rahpsu92 on Nov 13, 2011 11:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Indeed.

/waves

@JPosnanski - I saw a girl crying tonight. When I asked why she said: "Because everybody lost."

#OccupyESPN


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by Adam Collyer on Nov 14, 2011 8:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Huh. I have no clue how I dodged the banhammer

When I was replying feverishly to the same posts and along the same party lines as the dearly departed.

Guess I slipped under the radar… hard to believe about Paige, though…

by cjapsu on Nov 13, 2011 6:30 PM EST reply actions  

Paige wished me a happy b-day

Shes pretty awesome in my book.

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by Kunza on Nov 13, 2011 6:38 PM EST up reply actions  

CarolinaEasy was laying it down, too.

Not that I wanted him banned, of course, but he was putting steel on target during the same thread with jtothep and all.

"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.

"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."

by PSU_Lions_84 on Nov 13, 2011 6:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't have any idea what happened

and I haven’t talked to Chris. But my guess is everybody will be back. Some times we all just have to cool it.

Think of Rambler. He gets banned twice a week


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by Ben Jones on Nov 13, 2011 6:39 PM EST reply actions  

Thanks, Ben, for being the calm voice.

"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.

"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."

by PSU_Lions_84 on Nov 13, 2011 6:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought you only "tweeted" now.

Not that you hadn’t heard before. Good job this week.

Let down by my football coach. Disgraced by my University.

by jesse. on Nov 14, 2011 12:13 AM EST up reply actions  

I've been temporarily banned here once.

I’ve never been banned elsewhere ever.

I think I’ve had enough of exaggeration after the way the media killed Penn State.

The Grand Experiment will never die.

by ReadingRambler on Nov 14, 2011 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

I thought for sure Chris made mention of you being banned for 36 hours during this episode

and I thought I recalled you being banned a bit ago, either by Chris when the transition first occurred, or maybe even by Mike some previous time when you just sorta went crazy and asked to be banned.

by The JuggerNitt on Nov 14, 2011 9:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know what he meant by that.

I was banned for the entirety of the first weekend of September. Haven’t been banned since, so far as I know.

The Grand Experiment will never die.

by ReadingRambler on Nov 14, 2011 10:27 PM EST up reply actions  

FYI Rambler

I checked out your profile when your pic changed, which prompted me to Google Baldomero Lopez. Glad I did. Great – and very American – story of a brave hero.

The depth of both my sadness and anger is unfathomable.

We (Still) Are...

by PSU_Buch on Nov 14, 2011 11:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I was banned for a bit as well...

I was upset the night the JoePa bomb dropped, and it was the first time in almost a year I posted on BSD. I’m not sure exactly what I wrote that got me banned, but a quick email to Chris got me reinstated.

Nonetheless, I hope to see JtotheP and co. back soon. I always appreciate Jtothe’s perspective and ability to be a man at all times. Heck, I was proud of him the other night for actively stepping into personal arguments to ask both parties to stop the name calling. He’s one of the few on BSD I’ve met personally, and he’s one of the good guys.

It takes courage to stand up for a man in peril, even if he stood up for you.

by Horse N Buggy on Nov 13, 2011 6:54 PM EST reply actions  

"I’m not sure exactly what I wrote that got me banned."

That’s the part that is worrisome, HnB. If the standards are arbitrary or vague, discourse can be inhibited. Don’t think that is what the mods or the rest of us want . . .

"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.

"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."

by PSU_Lions_84 on Nov 13, 2011 7:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Don’t think that is what the mods . . . want.

Or do they? Ambiguity can be a powerful weapon.

"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein

by SubLime on Nov 13, 2011 8:10 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

For the record

My “self imposed exile” is more just a break from the madness and sadness and a need to get the eff back to work (I did not get much done last week). No issues with mods, authors, commentors, etc.

Today is the day I died inside 11/9/11

by letsgopsu on Nov 13, 2011 7:23 PM EST reply actions  

for the most part

mine is as well. I apologize if it came off as otherwise.

Fire Dan Snyder

by Cari Greene on Nov 13, 2011 7:26 PM EST up reply actions  

As with Me

Spending more time on twitter.

So Cari-cupcakes for the Blue White Game? Barring bad weather we are going-my first ever and MK’s first since the late 70s!

Reputation-Vile Thing! (Othello)

by nits4ever on Nov 13, 2011 10:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Fuck this shit

Comrade Grovich has been singing lead soprano in the Joe must go crowd for months. Obviously he’s pleased with himself based on his posts this week. Sayonara BSD!

Striving for Success with Honor

by Frank O'Brien on Nov 13, 2011 9:25 PM EST reply actions  

lolwut?
My favorite of course, is the semi-literate band dweeb that likes to remind us that he is a "Professional Journalist", I’m sorry you haven’t fooled us.

Formerly known as kmart93
Black Shoe Diaries

by Kyle_Martin on Nov 14, 2011 12:28 AM EST up reply actions  

jtothep, Paige?

WTF did I miss?

Let down by my football coach. Disgraced by my University.

by jesse. on Nov 13, 2011 10:53 PM EST reply actions  

I think the Press Conference Open Thread claimed a few including Paige

myself and jtot got ours in the thread linked in JuggerNitt’s comment above. I came on today to see some pictures, video and quotes from the game (I was in the stadium, so it was hard to tell what happened during the prayer circle and didn’t see Bradley’s post-game) and saw I wasn’t banned anymore. Not sure about the status of the others.

"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.

by OctaShields on Nov 13, 2011 11:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I Second This

Reputation-Vile Thing! (Othello)

by nits4ever on Nov 14, 2011 7:15 AM EST up reply actions  

I think Chris called you

a brainwashed, mouth breathing, Paterno Zombie – and all these good people got banned telling him that you’re not a Zombie, just a blood sucking lawyer. Since he does a little esquiring on the side too I don’t think he cared for their tone.

Yo fumo español

by rahpsu92 on Nov 13, 2011 11:08 PM EST up reply actions  

He called me that?

Seriously, WTF did I miss?

Let down by my football coach. Disgraced by my University.

by jesse. on Nov 13, 2011 11:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Chris sent a tweet

referencing “brainwashed Paterno supporters” or something to that effect.

I think that comment was a “humorous” (sorry rahpsu92!) reference to it.

It was a long hard week. We need a group hug and to move on.

Today is the day I died inside 11/9/11

by letsgopsu on Nov 14, 2011 12:47 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I don't follow twitter, so I didn't see that.

Ironically, I don’t follow the blog when I’m in State College.

I didn’t even want to go, I just did. My buddy wanted to go to Paterno’s house, I didn’t want to go, but I did. But I actually feel a little better.

...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...

by jesse. on Nov 14, 2011 1:00 AM EST up reply actions  

was that you kneeling on the sidewalk?

I saw that image on the news and it made me sad in so many ways.

Today is the day I died inside 11/9/11

by letsgopsu on Nov 14, 2011 2:15 AM EST up reply actions  

That picture was not me.

We were there just after half-time. There was a bank of cameras there that actually asked us to comment. I just told them that all we wanted to do was bring some flowers and chocolate for Sue.

...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...

by jesse. on Nov 14, 2011 2:21 AM EST up reply actions  

surprisingly that didn't get quoted

likely because it actually shows compassion through this crisis for anyone other than the victims of Sandusky’s actions, and not a “burn her, burn the witch!!!!” attitude.

I’m didn’t know we lived in a world where you could only show compassion for one thing and one thing only until this whole series of events. I feel like you either devote all your time and money for feeling outrage on behalf of the kids, or somehow you like molesting them, and there is no in between.

by The JuggerNitt on Nov 14, 2011 9:32 PM EST up reply actions  

No he didn't...

I’d hoped you picked up the blood sucking lawyrt joke.

Yo fumo español

by rahpsu92 on Nov 14, 2011 7:24 AM EST up reply actions  

I've been gone all weekend?
a brainwashed, mouth breathing, Paterno Zombie

I looked through my old posts, and don’t believe this is true.

Let down by my football coach. Disgraced by my University.

by jesse. on Nov 13, 2011 11:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Or is this just a crack at me?

Let down by my football coach. Disgraced by my University.

by jesse. on Nov 13, 2011 11:27 PM EST up reply actions  

he didn't single you out

it was just a general comment about 98% of the people at BSD

by The JuggerNitt on Nov 14, 2011 12:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Auto-rec!

"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.

"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."

by PSU_Lions_84 on Nov 14, 2011 9:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Well said, Sir....well said.

Couldn’t have said it any better myself.

by BluKoolAide on Nov 14, 2011 9:58 AM EST up reply actions  

I sorta got the impression that Chris thinks he's moderating the Nintendo forums or something like that

You know, the kinda place where they see the mods as parental figures, and they think it’s cool when the mods make snarkily condescending remarks. And they look up to those mods as heroes even when it’s not warranted. And the average poster is about 12 years old. In those places, if you want to be a good mod, you moderate with a heavy hand but you mix up your thread lock/ban messages to make them “witty” and “pwning someone” as the kids say today. You don’t really need to explain your decision in details, just remind them of the rules. But there’s a reason for that. If you don’t moderate with a heavy hand and be a bit of a bully, the inmates run the asylum. The kids will be posting things they shouldn’t, filling up the whole forum with total wastes of bandwidth, and flaming each other like there’s no tomorrow.

I might be totally off-base, but I think Chris might be used to moderating forums with a much younger clientele. Maybe he has a history moderating forums with children and teens being 90% of the posters. And maybe he naturally goes into the “how to talk to a 12 year old mode”, not realizing that most of us are old enough to PARENT a 12 year old (I’d definitely fit in the “old enough to parent a 12 year old” age category), and some here have 12 year old grandkids. And some have 12 year old great-grandkids. Someone in that situation isn’t used to explaining themselves after banning someone and aren’t used to trusting that the posters won’t take it way too far. Moderating a forum of mostly 30 and 40 somethings is a little different.

This isn’t meant to attack nor defend Chris. Just merely an observation. And if I’m wrong, feel free to correct me on this observation.

by Altoona Man on Nov 14, 2011 1:12 PM EST reply actions  

I'll say a few more things, and then you can take this thread wherever you please.

As mentioned above, we were all mad. I’ve taken this scandal especially hard. Penn State has been a huge part of my family throughout my entire life. We’ve built weekends, months, and years around it. We had the diplomas, class rings, and tickets stubs to prove it.

More than a handful of times since this thing broke, I’ve picked up my 9 month old and thought about what I’d do and how I’d feel if it was him in those showers Sandusky and nobody called the police. If you’re wondering why I’ve been especially critical of Paterno throughout this, there’s your reason. I have no earthly idea how anybody can think otherwise at this point, which is where “brainwashed” came from. Insulting the readers was never my intention. And then everybody lost their collective minds, myself included.

So if you’re still planning to give your “Goodbye Cruel World” speech in this thread and disappear, sorry to lose you. I hope that’s an over-emotional statement, like so many others have been since last weekend.

by Chris Grovich on Nov 14, 2011 1:34 PM EST reply actions  

I appreciate the attempt to clear the air

I just think others feel the same way:

I’ve taken this scandal especially hard. Penn State has been a huge part of my family throughout my entire life. We’ve built weekends, months, and years around it. We had the diplomas, class rings, and tickets stubs to prove it.

There are a lot of people here that can say that sentence word-for-word, and for them it would also be completely true. I think maybe it’s just more of a general sense that the BSD community feels like using that statement in their defense doesn’t work, but because you have the ability to ban folks, it works for you.

I don’t want to speak for the masses…that’s just how the situation appears to me.

It takes courage to stand up for a man in peril, even if he stood up for you.

by Horse N Buggy on Nov 14, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Not looking to argue

Just looking to offer some insight into why some folks may be so upset. That’s all.

/can’twealljustgetalong’d

It takes courage to stand up for a man in peril, even if he stood up for you.

by Horse N Buggy on Nov 14, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Probably should have included entire quote Octa, its not fair to cherry pick

 I have no earthly idea how anybody can think otherwise at this point, which is where "brainwashed" came from. Insulting the readers was never my intention. And then everybody lost their collective minds, myself included.

May no act.................

by SweepTheLeg on Nov 14, 2011 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Thank you.

Hopefully we’ll all learn from this.

The Grand Experiment will never die.

by ReadingRambler on Nov 14, 2011 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

…and then you can take this thread wherever you please

Can we please talk about why Bolden isn't the starting QB

WE'RE DANCIN!!!

by bigs26 on Nov 14, 2011 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

As a "customer" you are also free to go elsewhere if the service is not up to your standard, no?

Free market baby!

The above comment is made in JEST but come on people…lets move on and agree that OSU is the real enemy and stop whining about an internet feud where there is plenty of blame on all sides.

No point in taking final shots at each other

May no act.................

by SweepTheLeg on Nov 14, 2011 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

You're right.

I am.

No matter what you think about the current situation, support the players, they deserve our respect.

by Paige2PSU on Nov 14, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Welcome Back Paige!

You were missed here-although of course I was able to find you elsewhere.

Reputation-Vile Thing! (Othello)

by nits4ever on Nov 14, 2011 7:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I think getting past this should include the end of snarky comments as well.

From all of us, to one another. As suggested, let’s all admit we have incorrectly focused our righteous indignation on one another AND that it ends NOW.

Not trying to take over, STL, but I wrote this post hoping it would close some wounds; we are almost there . . . .

"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.

"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."

by PSU_Lions_84 on Nov 14, 2011 3:33 PM EST reply actions  

"let’s all admit we have incorrectly focused our righteous indignation on one another"

Damn right you did!

Sorry, I couldn’t resist.

/jumping the snark?

It takes courage to stand up for a man in peril, even if he stood up for you.

by Horse N Buggy on Nov 14, 2011 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

HNB, check your e-mail.

Can you get to your door before the ticking sounds stop?

LOL!

"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.

"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."

by PSU_Lions_84 on Nov 14, 2011 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Perhaps we should just put all this behind us, this online conflict

Contrarian viewpoint yes, but, also perhaps effective. I have no real bone to pick, so that’s my thoughts.

All one sentence of them

Tom Bradley- Bringing back Success with Honor since 11/9/11
Forget the 409 wins and 2 national championships. Joe Paterno helped mold thousands of young men into productive members of our society.

by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Nov 14, 2011 4:17 PM EST reply actions  

Soooooo

Who wants a beer while we hate all over OSU?

I'm on the Internet cause I'm an Internet thug.
#OccupyESPN

by skarocksoi on Nov 14, 2011 4:20 PM EST reply actions  

I assume that offer means you're buying.

Hey, everybody, skarocksoi is paying for the beer!!!

"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.

"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."

by PSU_Lions_84 on Nov 14, 2011 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Chris, thanks for reversing the bans.

I realize yours is a tough position to be in — as a BSD leader, you can be the lightning rod for our criticisms, anxieties, heartaches, etc.

Just remember: What doesn’t kill you, makes you stronger.

Best,

Mark

"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.

"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."

by PSU_Lions_84 on Nov 14, 2011 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I would actually attend some sort of BSD themed real-life meet up

If everyone here was in a room (by room I mean bar) face to face, we’d hash it all out and probably end up buying each other lots of drinks. Tone and sincerity are much harder to miscommunicate in person.

"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.

by OctaShields on Nov 14, 2011 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Correct...

This medium filters out all nonverbal behavior, precisely the channels which carry the attitudinal dimension of a message.

"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein

by SubLime on Nov 14, 2011 4:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Correct.

Not sure anyone can appreciate how sarcastic Chris really is in everyday conversation. Reminds me a lot of Lewis Black or Bill Murray in Groundhog Day

Me…I am just a d1ck and a-hole…pretty sure that come through loud and clear :)

My wife has said on many occasions, I have no idea why you have so many friends. All of you are very rude/mean to each other…all the time. How we show love

May no act.................

by SweepTheLeg on Nov 14, 2011 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm working on next year's Golf Outing/Booze Fest

as we read.

"That Craig James gets such prominent assignments remains a mystery on the D.B. Cooper scale."
Richard Deitsch on Craig James, who allegedly killed 5 hookers while at SMU.

by Pete the Streak on Nov 14, 2011 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Which reminds me of yet another victim in this whole mess:

my Yuengling stock was unable to be replenished as I did not make the trip to PA this weekend. :’(

by The JuggerNitt on Nov 14, 2011 9:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Where do you live that you cannot get yuengling

I live in the deep south and can’t pass a gas station without seeing a deuce deuce of ylager for sale. Now if you are referring to Lord Chesterfield, I understand.

When in doubt, punt!
- John Heisman

by carolinaeasy on Nov 15, 2011 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

I believe Jugger has

been quarantined to East Lansing.

He completed 17 of individuals 26 passes for 192 lanscaping your yard and two touchdowns - Chan

by rahpsu92 on Nov 15, 2011 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

You can't get Yuengling

west of Ohio/Alabama (I think they finally started distributing to Ohio last month). Hopefully it’ll soon reach the midwest.

Formerly known as kmart93
Black Shoe Diaries

by Kyle_Martin on Nov 15, 2011 9:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I was just in Toledo about a month ago

and the girlfriend spotted a place advertising Yuengling. I couldn’t verify it, and we weren’t able to stop, but I was quite excited to learn that it was even possible to be able to get Yuengling only 2 hours away.

Another friend (who is friends with a local distributor) who said that sometime in 2012 Yuengling will be making its way to Michigan. I’m assuming this has something to do with the new Memphis plant I recall them buying last year.

by The JuggerNitt on Nov 16, 2011 1:36 AM EST up reply actions  

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