Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: The Most Dangerous Division in Sports

Penn State Guts Out 77-68 Victory Over LIU

The Big Ten might not know this yet, but Tim Frazier means business this season. (Photo by Andy Lyons/Getty Images)

Despite leading for most of the game, our young Nittany Lions found themselves letting the game slip away at the under 8 media timeout. They had just missed 6 straight shots and the Blackbirds were gaining momentum as they built their largest lead of the game (4 points). Tim Frazier had carried the Lions all game, but whatever Coach Chambers said to his team at that timeout changed the outcome. He inserted the right lineup and PSU finished the game on a 21-8 run. Here's what that lineup produced over those final 8 minutes:

Player PTS REB AST STL
Billy Oliver 6 1
Sasa Borovnjak 3 3 1
Tim Frazier 5 1 3
Matt Glover 3 1
Cam Woodyard 4 2

It was a total team effort on both ends of the floor as LIU didn't make one field goal in that span either. It was a fantastic stretch of winning basketball that capped off an ugly game marred by fouls and general early-season sloppiness. 

Penn State continued to have trouble being aggressive on defense without fouling, but that will take time. They were whistled for 25 fouls and gave LIU 35 FTAs for an astounding 74.5% free throw rate. Even though I was less than thrilled with the whistle-happy referees (which included Gene Steratore), PSU was caught being overaggressive multiple times. As they gain more experience, they will develop better judgment over which balls really are worth diving for. That said, their crazy intensity really ups this team's likability as a fan. Matt Glover's all-out dive to knock away an LIU dribble was pretty fantastic. 

Frazier once again showed he is not afraid of carrying the load, scoring 26 points with 10 assists, 5 rebounds, 2 steals, and a block. He has put to rest any concerns about his scoring ability with 62 points in three games. He is your favorite to win the season opening Big Ten Player of the Week award next week. He was helped by his co-captains in Woodyard (13 points, 6 rebounds) and Oliver (9 points, 10 rebounds). The PSU frontcourt in Jon Graham (6 pts, 5 reb, 3 blk) Sasa Borovnjak (9 pts, 5 reb), and Ross Travis (2 pts, 2 reb, 1 blk) took a positive step forward with their individual games. Trey Lewis was slowed by foul trouble and ill-advised shot selection. Jermaine Marshall continued to play more, but struggled from the field (0-4 in 19 min). 

Team Poss Score PPP eFG% TO% OReb% FT Rate
LIU 66 68 1.03 43.6% 19.7% 33.3% 74.5%
PSU 66 77 1.17 48.5% 12.1% 39.5% 27.7%

Offensively, PSU continues to manufacture good looks, but they still struggle to knock them down at a high percentage. Hopefully as the season wears on this team grows some confidence but at this point they are just a mediocre shooting team taking way too many jumpshots (they were 5-20 from three before hitting 4 of 7 down the stretch). Defensively, PSU has to cut out the fouling habits while maintaining their ball pressure. 

Next up for the Lions is the incredibly intimidating #2 Kentucky Wildcats, who are fresh off their dismantling of Kansas. If the Nits want any chance of running with Cal's fabulous freshmen, they'll need to shoot much better than they have in the opening three games. There will be more to come on the Hall of Fame Tip-off in the next few days. 

Comment 35 comments  |  0 recs  | 

Do you like this story?

Comments

Display:

Stats

I think I get most of them in that chart, but can you briefly explain eFG%, TO% and OReb%? I can make some assumptions, but want to clarify. I don’t follow the basketball advanced metrics as closely as I follow them for baseball.

by speedomike on Nov 17, 2011 6:41 AM EST reply actions  

Link

Here’s a link to a brief explanation of all of those things

Those stats exist to adjust for pace of the game and shot selection.

GO IOWA AWESOME, now and forever, unless PSU sees them in the B1G CG
Beat Ohio State.

by ckmneon on Nov 17, 2011 7:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Looking at all the stats

It appears this team could give Kentucky a game if the 3-ball would just drop. If not, well, not so much.

I’ve been saying since before last season ended that this year would be rough, and I’d be more than happy with a team in the RPI top 150 who is giving the best B1G teams a scare by late February. Sorta like Iowa last year. If PSU can be that team, my confidence for next year is very high.

GO IOWA AWESOME, now and forever, unless PSU sees them in the B1G CG
Beat Ohio State.

by ckmneon on Nov 17, 2011 7:41 AM EST reply actions  

So easy to like this team

The effort/intensity for the entire game is pretty astounding

"He's a beast. But so am I. So let the beasting begin."

by PSUtopia on Nov 17, 2011 8:01 AM EST reply actions  

Also

Not having looked at the box score, why was our free throw rate so bad? Small sample size? That’s pretty awful for a guard oriented team

"He's a beast. But so am I. So let the beasting begin."

by PSUtopia on Nov 17, 2011 8:06 AM EST reply actions  

To add to that...

…PSU was 14-18

LIU was 27-35

I am assuming that FT rate is just FT made/FT attempts

by TheSwish on Nov 17, 2011 8:20 AM EST up reply actions  

see below

GO IOWA AWESOME, now and forever, unless PSU sees them in the B1G CG
Beat Ohio State.

by ckmneon on Nov 17, 2011 8:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Shooting too many 3s

This team is not being aggressive enough.

And so we’re clear, FT Rate is (Free Throw Attempts) / (FG attempts), not (Free Throws Made) / (Free Throw attempts), which is FT%

GO IOWA AWESOME, now and forever, unless PSU sees them in the B1G CG
Beat Ohio State.

by ckmneon on Nov 17, 2011 8:21 AM EST up reply actions  

It's a measure of how effective a team is at getting to the line

whereas FT% is a measure of how effective a team is at the line once they’re there.

GO IOWA AWESOME, now and forever, unless PSU sees them in the B1G CG
Beat Ohio State.

by ckmneon on Nov 17, 2011 8:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Ah yes

Read that too quickly, thought it was FTM/FTA. Chambers said he’d like for the team to get the line more, no? So hopefully that changes.

When can we get PER stats going in here?

/Hollinger’ed

"He's a beast. But so am I. So let the beasting begin."

by PSUtopia on Nov 17, 2011 9:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Other people have started using FTM/FGA .

I like to keep it raw but John Gasaway I know started doing that one year. He made the point that it doesn’t matter how often you get to the line if you don’t make them, but it’s out of your control how many free throws your opponent makes.

That kid who tackled Talor Battle.

by Eric Gibson on Nov 17, 2011 9:13 AM EST up reply actions  

FTM / FGA is a good number

but I don’t know how I’d describe it. FTA / FGA is a very good measure of offensive “aggressiveness” and FTM / FTA is a good measure of “effectiveness at the line.”

FTM / FGA measures…what? “Effective aggressiveness, as measured in made free throws?”

FTM / FGA is a good number, and I agree to an extent with Gasaway, but not entirely. Simply getting to the line does matter, because (1)The more free throws a team shoots over the course of a game / season, the better they get at them (2)Getting the other team, especially the bigs, in foul trouble is a good thing that pays dividends later in games.

GO IOWA AWESOME, now and forever, unless PSU sees them in the B1G CG
Beat Ohio State.

by ckmneon on Nov 17, 2011 9:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Word.

I like FTA/FGA. I think it’s a fairer measure for both teams in one game.

That kid who tackled Talor Battle.

by Eric Gibson on Nov 17, 2011 9:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe FTM / FGA is

“How good a team is at the combination of being aggressive and turning that aggressiveness into points”

GO IOWA AWESOME, now and forever, unless PSU sees them in the B1G CG
Beat Ohio State.

by ckmneon on Nov 17, 2011 9:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Advanced basketball stats are something I've never really looked at before

This is all very intriguing to me.

I saw a girl crying tonight. When I asked why she said: "Because everybody lost."
Black Shoe Diaries
@runthedive

by Peter Gray on Nov 17, 2011 8:38 AM EST reply actions  

Most of them are born out of Ken Pomeroy's notion of adjusting raw stats using the pace of the game

Games against Tarkanian-coached teams are not games against Bo Ryan coached teams, and averaging 20 ppg for Tark might not be better, or even as good, as averaging 12 ppg for Ryan.

That, and the old Bobby Knight strategy of “win the turnover battle, win the rebounding battle, and make more free throws than the other team shoots” The “Four Factors” are very related to that notion.

GO IOWA AWESOME, now and forever, unless PSU sees them in the B1G CG
Beat Ohio State.

by ckmneon on Nov 17, 2011 8:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Also, I'm with Chris

Frazier needs to bust this out once in a while.

I saw a girl crying tonight. When I asked why she said: "Because everybody lost."
Black Shoe Diaries
@runthedive

by Peter Gray on Nov 17, 2011 8:40 AM EST reply actions  

He might as well have after burying the three to seal the game last night.

His jump shot is leaps and bounds better than it was last year. He looks like an entirely different player.

@JPosnanski - I saw a girl crying tonight. When I asked why she said: "Because everybody lost."

#OccupyESPN


Black Shoe Diaries

by Adam Collyer on Nov 17, 2011 9:19 AM EST up reply actions  

In case you haven't noticed

Ed DeChellis has taken two teams from absolute squalor to the NCAA tournament, was screwed out of another tournament berth, but turned that into an NIT title.

GO IOWA AWESOME, now and forever, unless PSU sees them in the B1G CG
Beat Ohio State.

by ckmneon on Nov 17, 2011 9:32 AM EST up reply actions  

He looks like an entirely different player

Doesn’t everybody right now? It’s awesome.

"He's a beast. But so am I. So let the beasting begin."

by PSUtopia on Nov 17, 2011 9:32 AM EST up reply actions  

From what I could tell from twitter updates

This team rocks. Since we’re rebuilding, I really just want a team that is entertaining to watch and works hard defensively and on the boards. Looks like Chambers is bringing that in spades.

Huzzah.

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Nov 17, 2011 9:39 AM EST reply actions  

It's very early

but KenPom’s ratings (which are enitrely temp-adjusted stats) have PSU at #107. If you had told me after the Temple game last year that this team would be #107 this year, I would have been overjoyed.

GO IOWA AWESOME, now and forever, unless PSU sees them in the B1G CG
Beat Ohio State.

by ckmneon on Nov 17, 2011 9:41 AM EST up reply actions  

yes

Love the team’s attitude and hustle. Great to see.

GO IOWA AWESOME, now and forever, unless PSU sees them in the B1G CG
Beat Ohio State.

by ckmneon on Nov 17, 2011 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Including Chambers.

It was hilarious.

That kid who tackled Talor Battle.

by Eric Gibson on Nov 17, 2011 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

How is the student/fan support thus far?

Have Chambers pre-season efforts brought the campus in?

What type of traditions exist or are in the works for this new era of PSU basketball?

I hate to see everyone trying to emulate Duke students with their chants and antics, but I do love Syracuse’s tradition of no one in the stands sitting down (anyone – old crones included) until the Orange make their first field goal.

He completed 17 of individuals 26 passes for 192 lanscaping your yard and two touchdowns - Chan

by rahpsu92 on Nov 17, 2011 10:33 AM EST reply actions  

Seemed like the students were out last night.

Crowd appeared to be the usual low turnout for an early season, midweek warm up.

@JPosnanski - I saw a girl crying tonight. When I asked why she said: "Because everybody lost."

#OccupyESPN


Black Shoe Diaries

by Adam Collyer on Nov 17, 2011 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Student Support has sucked.

Pretty disappointed in their showing the first three games.

That kid who tackled Talor Battle.

by Eric Gibson on Nov 17, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

It's great that this team has gutted out three wins

I don’t see it translating into a lot of success this weekend. If we keep it within 20, I’ll consider it a great moral victory.

Follow my antics: @DanVecellio

Its the name on the front of the jersey that matters most, not the one on the back. -Joe Paterno

by Dan Vecellio on Nov 17, 2011 1:44 PM EST reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

Welcome to Black Shoe Diaries. If you haven't already done so, create an account and get involved in the conversation.

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recommended FanPosts

Avatar2_small
Sad News: 717's Own, Reading Rambler Passes On
154690_10100374022013820_13900087_66639438_4085030_n_small
Breaking Down Penn State's Inaugural D1 Hockey Schedule
At_the_foot_of_a_legend_small
My Obligatory Off-Season Book Post

Recent FanPosts

Hugh_griffith_small
Food for Thursday....The PA Pineapple Company
Psukoolaid_small
Suggestions for fun in Minneapolis?
1-joe-paterno_small
Please clarify your posting policy.
A_cullen_the_bug_small
JoePa & Esquire - and other stories
Jet_ski_jump__reef_central_avatar__small
Sandusky Jury Selection Begins June 5th
Small
Kameron Miles
Small
ESPN - reporting PSU considering schedule changes
Joepa1_small
Jimmy Johnson's worst loss

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >

SHOP THE BLACK SHOE DIARIES STORE

Gameday Depot University Apparel


Managing Editors

Zn_avatar_small Mike Pettigano

Img110_small Jeff Junstrom

Asst. Editors

6a00d8341c630a53ef0105369fb7ee970b-800wi_small Jared Slanina

Olmec_small Devon Edwards

Baller_small Eric Gibson

Mauti_small Cari Greene

Staff Writers

Iron_armor_small Galen

New4_good_small Nick Blonde

Turd_ferguson_psu_small Tim Aydin

On_the_way_to_grad_small Kyle_Martin

N53100510_31463067_5584_small Adam Collyer

Bus-fire-bikes_small Dan Vecellio

What-a-country-yakov_small bscaff

Small Keith Platt

Small TimHyland