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October Review: Ugly as Hell, but Somehow 8-1

The "Redd Zone" sign, during Penn State's win over Iowa, 13-3, Oct. 8, 2011. (BSD/Mike Pettigano)

The last time we were here, reviewing Penn State's September performance, I wrote that nothing was resolved with this team. The running game was still struggling. The quarterbacks were still sucking. The playcalling was still beyond any point of coherence. And even the defense was reeling with the loss of its two best players, one of them for the entire season. Penn State won the games it was supposed to win. It lost to the best team in the nation. No one could get a handle on what this team would do when faced with a full gauntlet of Big Ten football. 

One month later, the team has found an identity, one that it's surprisingly stuck to with remarkable consistency: "Win Ugly, but Win Nonetheless." It has everyone wondering whether that formula for success can win against Penn State's final grueling November stretch home against Nebraska, at Ohio State and at Wisconsin. What we do know is that winning ugly has worked for at least eight of Penn State's nine games. I'm not sure there hasn't been one game, even against the worst teams on Penn State's schedule, the Nittany Lions have looked like an 8-1 team. This has also led some to ponder if Penn State is in fact the worst one-loss team in the FBS (I-A) this season.

However, as we'll detail momentarily, Penn State didn't appear "dominant" at any point this season, only because that term tends to be reserved for high-scoring offensive football teams; while teams that play lights-out defense, as Penn State has done, aren't given the same credibility.

Top Storylines from October

1. Defense? DEFENSE. -- It's not even close. Penn State has the only defense in college football that is required, week after week, to win football games. No more blatant was this than against Illinois, when the "Linebacker U" side of Penn State had to hold Illinois for nearly 59 minutes before the offense could put enough points (10!) on the board to win. Against Iowa, Penn State's running game was able to carry the offense, mostly due to the fact that Iowa wasn't able to move the ball on the Nittany Lions defense. If Penn State had fallen behind Iowa, the run game wouldn't have had the chance to dominate the Hawkeyes. But it's difficult to fall behind when the other team can only score 3 points. Had the defense given one more inch in either, things would have likely finished with the visitors victorious and Penn State thrown back into the ranks of the pathetic.

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Jordan Hill (47) celebrates with Devon Still (71) following the second-straight sack of the Hawkeyes QB during Penn State's win over Iowa, 13-3, Oct. 8, 2011. (BSD/Mike Pettigano)

2. Speaking of Defense -- Have you heard about this guy, number 6 for Penn State? I think he's a linebacker or something. Oh wait, his name is Gerald Hodges and he's only becoming the best linebacker in the Big Ten this season. Hodges leads the team in tackles, and it's quite frankly not even close:

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Hodges now holds consecutive Big Ten Defensive Player of the Week honors, after the junior "Fritz" racked up 213 tackles, 34 sacks, 4 interceptions, and 59 tackles for loss against Northwestern and Illinois combined. He's projected to finish with 1,300 tackles by the end of the season.

3. The Church of Moxie of Redheaded Saints -- Folks, we now have a leader in the quarterback race. After posting not-as-horrendous-as-Bolden numbers against Iowa and Illinois, sandwiched around a full (gasp!) game against Northwestern--in which Mac played very, very well--Matt McGloin has gained enough traction in the quest for a starting quarterback to have won over even the most die-hard Bolden supporters (myself included). Again, much of that has to do with the complete nuclear meltdown of Bolden over the past month; but does it really matter? No matter which side was arguing for their guy earlier this season, a common thread among them by late September was "just pick ONE already!" Although Joe Paterno is trolling hard this week, suggesting both will still play in November, you'd have to believe at least McGloin will get the starts from here on out. If October was good for anything, it was to push this quarterback disaster in one direction or another.

4. The Hunt for Redd October -- Silas Redd broke 100 yards in every single game this past month. Redd tore through five Big Ten opponents for 129 (Indiana), 142 (Iowa), 132 (Purdue), 164 (Northwestern), and 137 (Illinois) yards, in turn surging past the 1,000-yard mark for the season. No. 25 is the Big Ten's leading rusher with 1,006 yards (111.78 ypg). It's not hyperbole to suggest that Redd has been nearly the entire Penn State offense over the past few weeks. While the offensive line has been a much bigger help to him than during the first couple games, Redd had on many occasions in October willed the offense to that extra first down, extra few yards, or even refusing to go down until he was across the goal line. The problem for Redd is that he's five carries away from 200 this year. That's a lot of carries, particularly for a true sophomore running back already dealing with some bumps and bruises this season. It's a great time for a bye week, as Penn State will need a similar performance in November as Redd put on in October. But I'm not sure that's physically possible.

5. Urban Renewal -- Dude, I totally heard Urban Meyer was at the Corner Room last night with Tim Curley and Graham Spanier. He was wearing a BLUE TIE! and was talking about how McGloin was his quarterback. No, seriously, I heard it from a guy who posts on a premium message board, so it is 1,000 percent true.

Quick October Recaps

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Penn State 16, Indiana 10 -- The offense looks bad, real bad. Neither quarterback gets into a rhythm, even though McGloin tosses his signature deep touchdown pass to keep fans wondering why he can't be more consistent. This was before the "win ugly" meme went mainstream for Penn State, so allowing Indiana one final shot to win the game on a Hail Mary pass was incredibly unnerving to anyone partial to the Nittany Lions.

Penn State 13, Iowa 3 -- The defense grew up in this game, shutting down Iowa's very good passing attack while smothering everything the Hawkeyes tried to do. On offense, Silas Redd and Curtis Dukes were reminding fans of Curtis Enis and Aaron Harris, rumbling through the Iowa defense like a hot knife through butter. It was the most impressive 10-point "blowout" win I could remember.

Penn State 23, Purdue 18 -- Beaver Stadium fails to sell out for Homecoming, as Penn State fails to wake up in time for Purdue's well-planned offensive attack. The Boilermakers move the ball with surprising efficiency on the Penn State defense, but "bend but don't suck" shows up just enough to hold Purdue on several occasions. Special teams came up big for Penn State, with Chaz Powell's 90-ish-yard kickoff return combining with Purdue's derptitude in the kicking game to practically hand this game to the home team.

Penn State 34, Northwestern 24 -- It was a typical Penn State-Northwestern game, with nearly all the offensive fireworks coming in the first half, followed promptly by a second-half slugfest led by the Nittany Lions defense. McGloin makes his first start of the season, playing the entire game and playing well. Hodges, Devon Still and the rest of the defense go from looking "meh" in the first two quarters, to completely dominating the Wildcats after halftime.

Penn State 10, Illinois 7 -- The "win ugly" theme is welded onto the team following this game. Penn State's defense  holds Illinois to minus-4 yards in the first quarter, but the offense can't return the favor, looking worse than ever through nearly 57 minutes of football. Penn State finally gets on the board with a field goal, but trails 7-3 with one final chance to win the game. Derek Moye unexpectedly enters the game, while McGloin finds him and Justin Brown for big passes on the drive. Redd finishes off the drive with a touchdown, while Illinois' last-ditch attempt doinks off the upright.

October Verdict

It was a stressful month. But how could anyone complain? Penn State is 5-0 in the Big Ten, the only undefeated team in the conference, leading the Leaders/East/Pig Division. Despite the offense continuing to reside in Derpingtown, PA, the team overall is very much improved from September. Consistency is important when entering the final stretch. Penn State found that consistency in October, even if it simply consistent enough to score at least one more point than the other team each week.

Looking Ahead to November and December

That's right, I'm talking December football, baby! And not the Little Caesar's Pizza Bowl late-December kind of December football. I'm talking about conference championship December football! Penn State has a chance to make history by playing in the first-ever Big Ten Championship Game on Dec. 3. To do that, it will require running a tough November gauntlet featuring a Senior Day game against Nebraska, and trips to Ohio State and former BCS-or-Bust team Wisconsin. There is no reason to think the Nittany Lions can't get there. After all, if Penn State can play so horribly on offense, yet still win eight of nine games, it can do it three more times, right?

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Grading on overall "watchability"

I gave them a ‘B.’

The defense gets an ‘A’ whereas the offense gets a ‘D.’ The combination of the two, taking into account the fact that we won every game gives them a solid ‘B.’

by cjapsu on Nov 2, 2011 10:28 AM EDT reply actions  

+1

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by Adam Collyer on Nov 2, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

false

Even if you they got all the right answers, I watched the team “show their work.” They didn’t always—or even often—use a good way to get to the right answer.

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Nov 2, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

That just brought back horrible memories of high school and college

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-Roberto

by blackjackfishtaco on Nov 2, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

I gave an A. Just win baby.

tO$U sucks-ALWAYS the right choice!

by nits4ever on Nov 2, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yep

This offense can still earn a C+ or even a B in November. They’re probably still too fundamentally flawed at C, RG, & QB for an A to be in play, but D’s & F’s continue to available.

by jtothep on Nov 2, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

NO THE OFFENSIVE LINE IS DOING AWESOME.

Seriously though, I agree with you. Maybe through in TE, but they’ve been decent in blocking and relatively non-existent in the passing game, so it’s not a total wash.

by Jeff Junstrom on Nov 2, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

In college football, winning every game is the only thing that matters...

unlike the NFL, where you can lose half your games and still have a shot at the championship.

So, Penn State gets an “A” from me for winning every game in October.

A Garden State Nittany Lion...

"The way things are these days, 9-3 and one of the best graduation rates in the country doesn't seem like such a terrible bargain to make." - Michael Weinreb

by Mike Pettigano on Nov 2, 2011 10:31 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

+1

tO$U sucks-ALWAYS the right choice!

by nits4ever on Nov 2, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm cautiously optimistic that we can win out

If we can make November teams suck as bad as the October teams did, we can actually win out. I feel sorry for Nebraska, who gets us in Happy Valley after a bye week. The Fandom will be totally up for this game. And now that they see a glimpse of a light at the end of the tunnel, the team will be totally up for this game, too.

by PSUGERBS on Nov 2, 2011 10:34 AM EDT reply actions  

I want Ohio State to get shut out more than anything.

When O$U won against Wisconsin, the worst part was that it gave them a window to somehow sneak into the backdoor of another Big Ten championship. We can’t let them do that. Last thing we need for the Big Ten’s reputation is a 10-3 team in the Rose Bowl.

Ohio State must be shut out. Not just beaten. Shut out. I don’t care what we score. I don’t care if it’s just 2-0. They. Must. Be. Shut. Out.

by Altoona Man on Nov 2, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Shutout

Does the shutout just refer to the offense, or does this also mean we somehow avoid throwing a pick-6 in Columbus?

We should be able to shut out the offense given the QB situation, but Herron makes me nervous after the 90 yard drive last year.

by nuker77 on Nov 2, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

Bani had him dead to rights and completely wiffed.

"I donโ€™t know what heโ€™s done differently, whether heโ€™s eating differently or Sue is making him happier, but heโ€™s definitely a different coach out there" Devon Still

by jman07 on Nov 2, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe

But, the other issue is stopping the QB scramble on 3rd down, which also typically kills our defense. This QB looks more elusive in that regard than Mr. Arm Punt.

by nuker77 on Nov 2, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

The D has handled the scrambler pretty well this year

And will have Taylor Martinez/Rex Burkhead the week prior. They’ll be ready for Miller/Herron

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by Kyle_Martin on Nov 2, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was very close but I settled on B, although the real grade is B/C, not quite B- or C+.

Offense gets a D-, Defense gets an A, Special Teams gets a B-. Average those together and you get 80% on the nose, hence a B/C.

by Altoona Man on Nov 2, 2011 10:36 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm really hoping

all this talk about worst 8-1 team is exactly what our team needs to fire them up enough to take on the final 3 games.

With firmness in the right, as God gives us to see the right
- A.Lincoln

by SarcasmJam on Nov 2, 2011 10:38 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

We're a 4th quarter team

Every game we play comes down to the 4th quarter, and yet we’re 8-1. I think we’re the only team to have scored a TD against Alabama in the 4th quarter. We have had to claw our way to victory every week, often needing turnovers late in the game just to have a chance.

This team is excruciating to watch but we’re winning. Just win baby.

Anyway, the flashlights eat our human power grids, our souls if you will. So i destroyed them, and if a few precious panties were burnt or soiled in the reckoning then so be it

by millzners on Nov 2, 2011 10:38 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

We're the only team to score in the 2nd half against Alabama

I think.

They haven’t allowed a 2nd half point since September.

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by Kyle_Martin on Nov 2, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh puuuhhhhllleassseeeeee

That came in garbage time against their 7th string defense because Saban wanted to take it easy on our Lions.

"I donโ€™t know what heโ€™s done differently, whether heโ€™s eating differently or Sue is making him happier, but heโ€™s definitely a different coach out there" Devon Still

by jman07 on Nov 2, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

For what it's worth

Some “SEC” fan made the same argument to me a few weeks ago, but when i looked at the tape I saw Bama still had the majority of its starters in that whole drive and the scoring play. Including Upshaw and Barron.

by SCsprinter13 on Nov 2, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

'Xactly.

That ’Bama had in the cheerleaders is just what SEC-homers try to say

"Illegitimus non Carborundum!" (Don't let the bastards wear you down)

by RWReese on Nov 2, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

That just means

that Saban kept them in but told them to play down, obviously. Because he respects Joe so much that he wanted everyone to THINK they were still playing hard and keeping some starters in.

Fire Dan Snyder

by Cari Greene on Nov 2, 2011 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

It all just makes so much sense...

[sigh]

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by Mike Pettigano on Nov 3, 2011 6:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously, who gave this team a C?

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by Adam Collyer on Nov 2, 2011 11:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Trolls

must be alive and well here.

tO$U sucks-ALWAYS the right choice!

by nits4ever on Nov 2, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll bet 3 of those were M1EK

GO IOWA AWESOME, now and forever, unless PSU sees them in the B1G CG
Beat Nebraska.

by ckmneon on Nov 2, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I heard Urban has been wearing PSU boxers

"Illegitimus non Carborundum!" (Don't let the bastards wear you down)

by RWReese on Nov 2, 2011 11:02 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

AND

His favorite song is Knights in White Satin by the Moody Blues

I'm a woman eating monster with a suitcase full of fire.

by WorldBFat on Nov 2, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

AND

he eats only blueberry yogurt. The kind you stir up so when you first open it, its BLUE and WHITE.

"I donโ€™t know what heโ€™s done differently, whether heโ€™s eating differently or Sue is making him happier, but heโ€™s definitely a different coach out there" Devon Still

by jman07 on Nov 2, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I heard though he also eats Scrapple and Pierogies

"Illegitimus non Carborundum!" (Don't let the bastards wear you down)

by RWReese on Nov 2, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

AND

I heard his favorite snack is M&M’s…..the blue and white ones only!

by Artiefufkin10 on Nov 2, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

bahahahaha

oh man. wow. Well done.

/slow clap

"I donโ€™t know what heโ€™s done differently, whether heโ€™s eating differently or Sue is making him happier, but heโ€™s definitely a different coach out there" Devon Still

by jman07 on Nov 2, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wish I could rec this more than once.

You just made me laugh out loud!

"It's never a bad thing thing to vote for the suckiness of tOSU." -RWReese

by Paige2PSU on Nov 2, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only Pair of Boxers

I ever owned or wore-a PSU pair MK gave me as a joke about 20 years ago.

tO$U sucks-ALWAYS the right choice!

by nits4ever on Nov 2, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess we don't have to ask you now

Boxers or briefs.

"It's never a bad thing thing to vote for the suckiness of tOSU." -RWReese

by Paige2PSU on Nov 2, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

unless its nothing.....

My grammer skills need improved.

by BMAN13 on Nov 2, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

You haven't changed boxers in 20 years?

"I donโ€™t know what heโ€™s done differently, whether heโ€™s eating differently or Sue is making him happier, but heโ€™s definitely a different coach out there" Devon Still

by jman07 on Nov 2, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of course he has

They get turned inside out weekly!

by nylyst on Nov 2, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not to rehash this, because McGloin didn't play "well"

But all things considered, I think he was fine on Saturday. I finally watched the full game last night after being away for the weekend. Conditions were terrible and obviously played a role, I don’t care how hard they were trying to dry off the football and keep the field in decent shape. A bunch of fumbles and dropped passes for multiple players. On a normal late-October day, that game is probably played in the high-teens or low-twenties.

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by Adam Collyer on Nov 2, 2011 11:03 AM EDT reply actions  

Especially when so many of the receivers have all of the catching skills of

"Illegitimus non Carborundum!" (Don't let the bastards wear you down)

by RWReese on Nov 2, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Truth

There were 3 really bad dropped balls. If those get caught, McGloin’s numbers are something like 12/24, 150ish yards, 1 TD, 1 INT, or as I call it, “an average Anthony Morelli day.” Not great, but a far, far cry from bad considering 1) Illinois is ranked #10 in Annar Passing defense and #7 in Annar Total defense and 2) the conditions were ugly.

GO IOWA AWESOME, now and forever, unless PSU sees them in the B1G CG
Beat Nebraska.

by ckmneon on Nov 2, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

ck

how do our next three opponents compare to Illiniois defensively? I was talking to my friends last night and I said that the Illini D was better than any of our next 3 opponents. They looked at me like I was crazy. O$U is the only one close right?

"I donโ€™t know what heโ€™s done differently, whether heโ€™s eating differently or Sue is making him happier, but heโ€™s definitely a different coach out there" Devon Still

by jman07 on Nov 2, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

OSU's D is pretty comparable to Illinois' overall

Wisconsin has close-ish Annar numbers, but those are greatly skewed by having an offense that completely controls the clock.

OSU is worse than Illinois in per game stats, but again, the offense’s ability to chew clock factors into that. OSU’s offense isn’t as good as Illinois’.

Nebraska is not particularly close.

GO IOWA AWESOME, now and forever, unless PSU sees them in the B1G CG
Beat Nebraska.

by ckmneon on Nov 2, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

But Nebraska

seems to be getting a little better recently. Total body of work is weak, but recent effort seems improved.

"Illegitimus non Carborundum!" (Don't let the bastards wear you down)

by RWReese on Nov 2, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe, but I don't buy it

1) They lost Crick, by far their best defensive player. 2) They played MSU in Lincoln. MSU’s offense at home is pretty respectable. MSU’s offense on the road is a toxic dumpster fire that makes OSU’s offense seem respectable.

GO IOWA AWESOME, now and forever, unless PSU sees them in the B1G CG
Beat Nebraska.

by ckmneon on Nov 2, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also

2009 when they had an awesome defense and finally gave out their famed ‘blackshirts’, Texas Tech went to town and lit them up. Lets see how they handle jNW before we get too worried about them

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'I just figured she was a raging alcoholic'

by psuphysicist on Nov 2, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

So you're sayin' there's a chance....

"Illegitimus non Carborundum!" (Don't let the bastards wear you down)

by RWReese on Nov 2, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

I'm saying

Throw the MSU game out. Get it out of your head. If that game is in East Lansing, I’m not saying MSU wins, but MSU definitely scores more points.

In road games this year, MSU scored 13 on Notre Dame and 10 against an OSU team that was so awful on offense that it made the PSU-Illinois game look like the 99 Rams vs. the mid 80s 49ers.

This is still a defense that allowed OSU to score 27 in 2.5 quarters (when they had Crick and OSU didn’t have Herron) and whose non-MSU D1A opponents are averaging 31.2 ppg against them.

GO IOWA AWESOME, now and forever, unless PSU sees them in the B1G CG
Beat Nebraska.

by ckmneon on Nov 2, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Totally agree CK

There were also 2 passes near the sidelines that were both incomplete that, while tough catches, could have been completions. Not a bad day in terrible conditions, although by some previous posts you’d have thought he threw 10 picks and PSU lost by 30. Always a little surprised at the amount of venom directed at this young man who is really a great story.

by MB in MI on Nov 2, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Those two sideline catches are made

it’s a totally different ball game. That almost TD catch by Drake would have been huge. Instead of a missed Fera FG, it is a 7-0 lead. After that missed field goal, our offense went into pucker mode and it was field position football.

"I donโ€™t know what heโ€™s done differently, whether heโ€™s eating differently or Sue is making him happier, but heโ€™s definitely a different coach out there" Devon Still

by jman07 on Nov 2, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good point, jman

Those 2 plays would have been game changers. Also have to say, while I get as aggravated as anyone about some of McGloin’s decision making, the fact that, as a walk on he’s doing more than holding for extra points is pretty great. My son was offered a walk on spot at a MAC school but was told that he may or may not have a locker and “the head coach doesn’t speak to walk ons.” And, while I’m sure PSUs coaches don’t treat anyone like that, especially after having met most of them on a recruiting visit, wouldn’t be a bad idea for us fans to keep in mind just how tough taking the walk on route is.

by MB in MI on Nov 2, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

The biggest drop- aside from Moye's 4th Quarter f-bomb inducing one, the Smith drop

before the half really altered the game, IMHO. I really thought, even though we didn’t have a lot of time, McGloin could get in position for at least a field goal. Aside from that, I really think that it would have pushed the offense into a good second half. Not to draw this comparision to draw any ire about other aspects the game, but how many times was Brett Farve struggling in the first half, run an efficient two minute drill, and somehow that syncs the offense. That drop really crushed the hope to run the two minute drill, which as we saw at the end of the game, was pretty good.

by NEPA_Lions on Nov 2, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

The 2 minute drill was a thing of beauty

and I’m not sure McGloin gets enough credit for that. Of course, there are people who are going to pile on the guy not matter what, but he does a lot of good things too. Hey, 8-1 with a good shot at making it to the championship game ain’t too shabby. As a Packer fan, I like the Favre analogy. That man gave me a lot of grey hair over the years but he made a lot of amazing plays as well. Sometimes ya just gotta take the good with the bad.

by MB in MI on Nov 2, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Nov 3, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

They remind me of the 2000 Baltimore Ravens. Strong D, weak O, but still won. They’ll leave you questioning whether or not they’re the best team in each game, but prove that they are.

"When I put on my uniform, I feel I am the proudest man on earth."
-Roberto

by blackjackfishtaco on Nov 2, 2011 11:17 AM EDT reply actions  

Great point!

Didn’t that Ravens team at, one point, play five in a row without scoring a TD, but won three or four of them?

"Wham! a homma. Wham! Another homma. Wham! Wham! Wham!"

by LowcountryLion on Nov 2, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Won 3 out of 5

without scoring an offensive TD. There may have been a TD return during those 5 games.

tO$U sucks-ALWAYS the right choice!

by nits4ever on Nov 2, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

That would be sweet

"Illegitimus non Carborundum!" (Don't let the bastards wear you down)

by RWReese on Nov 2, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Especially if we've kicked Nebby's butt once already....

"Illegitimus non Carborundum!" (Don't let the bastards wear you down)

by RWReese on Nov 2, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Any truth to this?

I heard “talk” on Saturday at the game that Bradley, LJ, Vanderlin, & Red all got contract extensions.

by penntatefan on Nov 2, 2011 11:35 AM EDT reply actions  

Was it from

somebody who had a brother, who knew the sister, of a guy, that had a barber, who was friends with the cousin of the neighbor of the pharmacist of Bradley?

"I donโ€™t know what heโ€™s done differently, whether heโ€™s eating differently or Sue is making him happier, but heโ€™s definitely a different coach out there" Devon Still

by jman07 on Nov 2, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I heard this too from a friend of mine,

but I have no idea where he heard this from. We live in Michigan, so it must have been read on the interwebz.

by psuwxman on Nov 2, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Even if they did,

if there were a regime change it’d only mean that PSU would have to buy out the contracts of anyone the new coach wanted to replace. If it’s true, I wouldn’t read too much into it.

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by RWReese on Nov 2, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

But its also an insurance policy

If no decision is made (and rightly so) until after bowl season, then at least these guys aren’t running around interviewing with Pitt and UConn

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by psuphysicist on Nov 2, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

or at least

its less likely as they have less reason to do so

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by psuphysicist on Nov 2, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know Paterno has always been about putting his assistants first,

so maybe this is just him making sure that they’re taken care of (by having to get bought out, rather than outright released) in case he does decide to step down in the next few years (like THAT is going to happen /trollolololo)

by psuwxman on Nov 2, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

This was my first thought

GO IOWA AWESOME, now and forever, unless PSU sees them in the B1G CG
Beat Nebraska.

by ckmneon on Nov 2, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Close.

There’s a lot of talk about this among the reputable people on the PSU message boards, it seems. Someone posted on a blog that four assistants — LJ, Vanderlinden, McQueary, and Buggs (not Bradley) received contract extensions recently. The information was taken down once it started getting attention on the boards. It also may have been posted by a weird, stalkerish crackpot of a guy, who also appears to have pretty good connections to the program (this gets pretty far down the spiderhole of PSU message boards, so let’s leave it at that).

Since then, people have been trying to contact their sources to see if any of this is legit. One guy over at BWI (with a rather sterling reputation as this stuff goes) swears that extensions were given to these guys. Other people (similarly trustworthy) have said that it’s not true. A lot of it boils down to the fact that pretty much nobody truly involved is talking.

Also, because This Is Internet, a lot of people have been speculating as to what it would mean, if it was true. Joe protecting his assistants (but only a few of them)? A new, silently selected coach picked a few guys that he wants to stay as part of his new staff?

Nobody really knows. There is a rather astounding amount of radio silence coming from people close to the program though.

by Chris Grovich on Nov 2, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

1,300 tackles?

That’s almost HALF as many as James Laurinaitus had halfway through his sophomore season!

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by LowcountryLion on Nov 2, 2011 12:22 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Please do not use...

“tear” or "tore and “Silas Redd” in the same sentence please!

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by LowcountryLion on Nov 2, 2011 12:25 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

+1

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by RWReese on Nov 2, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe its just me

But I don’t remember this many blitzes from the D. Anyone else think the linebackers are coming more often than years past?

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by NEPA_Lions on Nov 2, 2011 12:33 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm not sure they have much of a choice in terms of getting after QB's.

I can’t speak to the actual numbers of blitzes, but they certainly seem more effective than in years past.

by Chris Grovich on Nov 2, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good point

The DE’s haven’t been consistently getting to and bringing the QBs down. So throw in some blitzing LBs and now the O-line has to watch for that, taking some focus off the DE’s and allowing them to do a better job.

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by jman07 on Nov 2, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes and also helping

Still and Hill shed some blocks. If the DEs were better there’d be less need to blitz as much. Crawford needs to switch from the Cement Nikes he’s been wearing.

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by RWReese on Nov 2, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't think of the secondary play

I figured that Still and Hill being there helped. The other side of the coin, is I think Hodges and Stupar are really effective blitzers. They get “home” more often. It seems in some years past the backer would blitz and just end up dancing with a blocker unless they cam absolutley free. Hodges and Stupar have been shedding the blocks, and if not getting the sack, at least affecting the quarterback in some way.

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Me-"Not Todd Moules- Marco Rivera coming into the Illinois game in 94- solidified the line, sparked the comeback"
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by NEPA_Lions on Nov 2, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Strong secondary play keeps the WRs covered longer

which helps the LBs get home because the QB has no where to throw

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by Kyle_Martin on Nov 2, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I actually gave this team a B.

Y’all know I drink as much kool-aid (or more) than the next person, but I had to account for the damage this team has done to my nerves and heart this year by taking it down to the wire EVERY FREAKING TIME! If they win out, I’ll review their grade and give them an A.

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by Paige2PSU on Nov 2, 2011 1:06 PM EDT reply actions  

A B?!?

One of my 3 favorite BSD Divas has not been getting 100% of her JoePa daily Blue Kool Aid requirement. Drink up Paige!

tO$U sucks-ALWAYS the right choice!

by nits4ever on Nov 2, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Will do!

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by Paige2PSU on Nov 2, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

But you can ask my students.

I’m a tough grader! LOL! Speaking of which, need to get back to those assignments.

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by Paige2PSU on Nov 2, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Victory Margin for the "worst" 8-1

I found this interesting. Obviously it doesn’t consider strength of schedule, just the raw data.
Margin of Victory
BCS Rank Team Margin of Victory
1. LSU 27.8
2. Alabama 32.5
3. OkSt 23.4
4. Stanford 32.5
5. Boise St. 27.1
6. Ok 26.9
7. Ark 14.4
8. Ore 26.3
9. South Carolina 13.0
10. Neb 13.4
11. Clemson 12.3
12. VT 13.7
13. Houston 27.5
14. K State 7.0
15. Mich 20.1
16. PSU 9.3
17. MSU 11.0
18. Georgia 10.9
19. ASU 14.4
20. Wisc 29.1
21. Texas 10.1
22. Auburn -1.6, Yep, that is a negative margin for the #22 team
23. GT 14.2
24. WVU 12.5
25. Southern Miss 17.8

Others Notables
Texas A&M 12.3
ND 12.0
Missouri 9.6
Iowa 9.5
Illinois 9.0
Texas Tech 6.9
tO$U 6.6
Florida 6.5
USC 5.6

by emccomb1 on Nov 2, 2011 1:55 PM EDT reply actions  

More proof

that U$C sucks.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Nov 3, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

B

16-10 against Indiana keeps it from being an A. Indiana is terrible and PSU’s offense was garbage that day. Other than that, W’s are W’s.

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by Esteban d' Amur on Nov 2, 2011 2:24 PM EDT reply actions  

+1 for "Derpingtown, PA."

It really does sound like a place that could be in east-central PA., surely along a river somewhere.

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by Joe 96alum on Nov 2, 2011 2:40 PM EDT reply actions  

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