Penn State 20, Ohio State 14
by Chris Grovich on Nov 21, 2011 10:00 AM EST
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Print9-2 Overall, 6-1 Conference, 4-0 Pig Division. With this win, Penn State beats out both Kevin and my preseason predictions of 8-4. Always happy to be wrong if it's on the happy side of the equation.
This American Life. The critically acclaimed radio program visited Penn State two years ago, shortly after PSU was named the #1 Party School. They returned to Happy Valley in the wake of the Sandusky scandal to find a very different, yet quite similar atmosphere. Well worth a listen.
Wildcats. As we know by now, Bill Belton and Curtis Drake ran Wildcat-type schemes in high school with great success, but give Tom Bradley credit for ordering Jay Paterno and Galen Hall to install the Belton/Drake packages into Saturday's offense. Perhaps is an easier call to make for a coaching staff with little to lose, but it's hard to imagine Joe Paterno making a similar decision -- especially in a venue where hyperconservatism has always ruled the day for Penn State. Neither Belton nor Drake threw a pass, but their impact on the game was obvious. If there was ever a time to trot out the sports cliche, "gave 'em a spark", it was during the first half in Columbus.
Balanced Like A Drunk In An Earthquake. Penn State's first down playcalls? 21 runs, three passes. When Penn State runs for 6.1 yards per carry in Columbus, however, we shouldn't complain.
Special. Game MVP, Anthony Fera? There's a compelling case to be made. He nailed two 40+ yard field goals, and with the help of excellent coverage teams, kept Jordan Hall from making any impact in the game. Hall returned two kickoffs for a total of 48 yards and had absolutely no punt return yards.
Moxie-ish. McGloin was good enough. He helped move the offense with several nice throws early, and threw only one interception. Nobody will ever refer to it as a quarterbacking masterpiece (10-for-18, 1 INT, 88 yards) but McGloin now has something very few Penn State quarterbacks can claim: a win at the Horseshoe. And as pointed out by one of the JoePa's Doghouse guys (I think) on Twitter, the graduating seniors at Penn State can claim a winning record in Columbus. Not bad.
Sean Stanley Was Covering An Eligible Ohio State Receiver Approximately 184 Yards Downfield. That is all.
Tom Swagley. I will admit this much. While watching the game in a Harrisburg bar with PennLive's Michael Sedor and Conor Nelson, I'm fairly sure I referred to Tom Bradley's decision to run the ball on 4th and goal at the OSU 1 "a 50/50 call". So I understood it at the time -- go for the two-touchdown lead and even if PSU fails, Ohio State starts at the one, etc. It was balls over brains, and maybe that's what Penn State needed from a psychological standpoint. I'm still not entirely sure what the correct call is in that scenario. I'm sure there plenty of statistics out there (expectation on 4th-goal at the 1 vs. 19 yard field goal, and so on down that road) and if anyone can dig those up, I'd be wildly interested from a wacky game theory perspective. But really, Tom, make it a two-score game.
Or, Better Yet. Don't run two crappy fullback dives that everyone knows is coming, followed by sending McGloin sqirming into two pinched Ohio State defensive tackles. That's the real issue here.
Woof. Ohio State didn't sniff Penn State's side of the field before the final drive in which Braxton Miller's swan dive came up a yard short of the first down marker. Here's how far Ohio State made it on their second half drives: own 40, own 11, own 46 (that was after the goal line stand), own 32 (following Fera's coffin corner punt), PSU 32, own 28. Barely even made it into field goal range. Amazing work by the PSU defense, again.
Dear Braxton Miller. Please never learn how to throw the football, because my heart won't be able to take it.
Overdramatic As Ever, But Still Fun.
All told, a powerful statement by a focused group of players and coaches in the face of unimaginable turmoil. Being away from home almost certainly helped in this one. Be proud, one and all.
Your favorite moments, statistical anomalies, complaints, kvetches, and compliments from Saturday -- as always, welcome in the comments.
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Loved the go for it mentality
hated the play calls. On the 2nd Zordich run, the whole was there and he was met by a LB that stoned him. If it were a HB dive, he cleans up the LB and Beachum/Green/Redd walks into the endzone. Then the QB sneak, that had -76% chance of working.
Let's go State
Beat Wisconsin!
I'm with you.
I know putting the ball in McGloin’s hands is iffy, but gimme a fucking play action mixed in there at some point.
I saw a girl crying tonight. When I asked why she said: "Because everybody lost."
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Or a toss
or anything to the outside
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by Kyle_Martin on Nov 21, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
Tosses in those situations make me nervous
But yes, anything but just running Dave four times in a row.
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Ok maybe not a toss
but defenses are geared up to go straight ahead there. Run some sort of misdirection
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by Kyle_Martin on Nov 21, 2011 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
McGloin on the naked bootleg
it would take some moxie….but it SO would have been there!
by IndianaLion on Nov 21, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
It would need to be executed perfectly.
Because he’s not gonna outrun very many guys.
It would have been a good..
3rd down call. Either he scores or you kick the field goal if he loses a yard or two.
11/9/11 - the day the music died.
The bitter with the better.
by Esteban d' Amur on Nov 21, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
Spread the field
I have been giving OSU’s defense respect all year, and I think they deserve it. That PSU moved the ball so well is a testament both to the preparation imparted by the staff all week and the focus of the kids on gameday. But trying to play manball against the front when everyone watching knows exactly where the point of attack will be isn’t smart football. In four attempts, I would have liked to see at least two plays that required the Buckeyes to defend more than two feet of the goalline.
That said, I still love the decision to go for it (just not the sequence of playcalls). Normally, I am a conservative, “get the points” kind of guy (I did grow up watching JoePa Ball). When you are faced with the risk of making Braxton Miller lead his team the length of the field versus the reward of salting away an emotional road win at the Horseshoe, I say fortune favors the bold.
The depth of both my sadness and anger is unfathomable.
We (Still) Are...
tosses in that situation
are fucking unstoppable in NCAA 12.
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by Devon Edwards on Nov 21, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
in real life, a toss takes fourth and 1
and makes it fourth and seven.
Like others, I agreed with the decision but not the playcalling. Would love to see some better play action in there.
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
There were a couple of options available...
Play action to a tight end in the flat or a counter run are my personal preferences there.
by Tezcatlipoca on Nov 21, 2011 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
I hate the counter in that situation
takes too long, IMO. HB dive or even HB off tackle.
Let's go State
Beat Wisconsin!
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How about
the Power I, with Still and Zordich as the fullbacks and Redd as the tailback, and just run behind the two fullbacks, Idk how many defenders would want to get in the way of that
This is why you have at least one 95 lb. cheerleader that can bounce 20' in the air on the roster.
Give her the ball in the shotgun and let her vault into the endzone.
by Tezcatlipoca on Nov 21, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
Devon Smith?
My grammer skills need improved.
by BMAN13 on Nov 21, 2011 11:46 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Would it be legal to just pick up Smith and throw him into the endzone?
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by NJ lion on Nov 21, 2011 2:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think that would be penalized as vaulting.
Players aren’t allowed to pick up other players. This was a rule that got involved with Julius Peppers once on a field goal block attempt, when he jumped off a teammate’s back and was penalized.
I imagine it would be illegal on offense, too. Every once in a while, you’ll see an offensive player penalized if he pushes a teammate forward (individually, rather than the pile).
by Tezcatlipoca on Nov 21, 2011 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
95 lb cheerleader sounds hot.
What the hell just happened?
by Pete the Streak on Nov 21, 2011 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
Your wife sound hot
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by skarocksoi on Nov 21, 2011 1:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I miss the days when defenses weren't fast enough to stop the toss sweep.
Such a fun play to watch. I believe Guman or Suhey beat Pitt on a 4th down and goal in ’78 with that play.
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by ReadingRambler on Nov 21, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
We miss having a 235 lb. quarterback on the goal line in situations like that.
MRob, Daryll. Maybe Jones will be that guy in the future.
not one mention of...
spreading the offense out on the goal line so Ohio State can’t just stack everyone up in the middle? That’s what I would’ve liked to see anyways.
Game shouldn’t have been this close (Ohio St. goal line stand and Justin Brown drops/not making a play), but real happy with the win.
I only like the goalline spread if you have a QB who can move faster than 2 mph.
by Tezcatlipoca on Nov 21, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
Or hit a slant without it being undercut on a regular basis.
by Tezcatlipoca on Nov 21, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
Had a newswriting prof.
who used to work for BWI.. he interviewed Jay after the OSU game in ‘08 where Devlin came in and ran a sneak for a TD.. he asked Jay, “So was there any debate what you might call there?” because it was 4th and 1 with a new QB.. and Jay said, "are you kidding me?! that’s all you can call there!"
I had a flashback to that story on Saturday and knew a sneak on either 3rd or 4th was inevitable.
by AlmostAYardShy on Nov 21, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
On first and goal at the one you asked..
“I’m still not entirely sure what the correct call is in that scenario.”
Answer: The correct call is the thing that works.
Hey, if Pat Devlin can sneak it in from the one yard line at the Shoe anyone can.
But if you’re Mike Guman at the ‘79 Sugar Bowl against "Bama it’s a bad call.
That whole thing was on the O-Line and you could tell by Redd’s flip on fourth down.
They got no push and couldn’t open a crack, so they tried to go over the top.
The coaches should have recognized that and went outside instead.
But if that hadn’t worked, today we’d be talking about that…
McGloin
IMO wasn’t terrible yesterday. One bad throw which resulted in an interception, and considerably less risks following. But to start off the game he seemed accurate and made good decisions, but had a few catachable balls that the recievers didn’t come up with. But moving the ball a bit through the air on the first drive IMO opened things up.
Stanley’s pass breakup up might be my favorite play of the season, yet I can’t find a highlight of it and am pretty sure it was glossed over during the live telecast.
McGloin was McGloin
He made some incredible throws. He also made a bunch of terrible throws approximately 50 yards behind his receivers. An easy drop by Brown and the terrible drop by Zordich didn’t help his stats either. Overall, he was adequate.
I will say, the only really bad decision he made seemed to be on the interception. Throw it away man, throw it away.
But the point is, and has been all season, being adequate while limiting mistakes is all we need out of a QB to win every game.
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by psuphysicist on Nov 21, 2011 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
I will add
Thank you McGloin for changing your mouthpiece. Please keep it this way.
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by psuphysicist on Nov 21, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions 8 recs
Ha!
I didn’t even notice!!
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Let's be fair.
The pick came off a tipped ball, IIRC. Somebody can check, but I’m pretty sure that was the case.
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by PSU_Lions_84 on Nov 21, 2011 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
Yes it was tipped, but was thrown way too high
for Szcerba to have a chance at bringing it in.
by whiteoutonly on Nov 21, 2011 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
It was tipped
but behind the receiver and too high.
Probably would fallen harmlessly had Szcerba not gor a paw up!
BTW…anybody else yell at the TV when Szcerba jumped?
I used to be indecisive. Now I'm not sure.
Stanley's play was unreal.
And it was glossed over because they were too busy talking about some non-game issue. I believe it was Talifiero….yeah, great story and all, but no story/interview should cut into game action play/description.
Question I have is why was Stanley in coverage and that far downfield???
Mostly agree on McGloin. He’s just….well, not good, but the best option PSU has. It’s a shame this team doesn’t have a good qb. That’s what is really killing them. Nearly every pass with McGloin is a disaster waiting to happen. And he throws off his back foot WAY too much. I do give him credit for how hard he plays, but man….I just wish he was better. His “sneak” from the 1 really shouldn’t be called that because he really tipped it off from the way he lined up.
I think this team can win in Camp Randall, but I don’t think it’s likely. Qb play will hurt PSU and I think the D has been a bit vulnerable to the run and Wisky has the best back in the conference so that could be a big problem.
Zone blitz........
I believe on a Zone Blitz, the DE covers the WR or TE while the LB blitzes. It was executed perfectly and Stanley nearly had a pick.
Like it or not, McGloin is playing well beyond his potential and its are to ask for much more. I mean, he was a friggin’ walk-on QB at major D1 school. I wish he was better too, but asking for your walk-on QB to be “better” is just a bit silly.
by Artiefufkin10 on Nov 21, 2011 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
I didn't ask for him to be better.
Like you I wish it (so I don’t think I’m being “silly”). I know he’s at his ceiling and all the walk-on stuff. The fact that a guy as limited as McGloin is PSU’s best option is really something that shouldn’t be (other than from injuries).
I guess I could ask that our highly recruited scholarship qbs would play better. That’s probably the real issue. The former walk-on is the qb basically by default because the guys (Newsome, Bolden) who were supposed to be so great are not.
I couldn't believe that when I saw it
Saw the pass defensed, was like “great coverage”
saw #90, did a double take, rewound it on DVR, said “#90!?!?!”
was like, “Stanley!!!”
sadly, my wife, grandma, aunt, mother, and 8 week old daughter didn’t grasp the significance
"my dad says Michigan used to be good"
Hahahaha....
I hear ya! Nobody in my house “gets it” either.
It really deserved a shout out by the TV guys too.
Too bad they were distracted, although Blackledge mentioned it after the Adam T. interview wrapped up.
I think he was covering the RB out of the backfield
Incredibly athletic play for a dude that big. And he’s a sophomore, right?
by kijana's acl on Nov 21, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
Probably right...
I can’t find the highlight… I thought the receiver was Jordan Hall?
Either way, I’m pretty sure they were in a zone blitz.
by Artiefufkin10 on Nov 21, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
Is he #7?
That’s who the O$U back was, I believe.
by kijana's acl on Nov 21, 2011 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
he's a junior
and he ran track at a high school right by where I grew up. So, it probably shouldn’t be surprising…but it was. Simply awesome.
Fire Dan Snyder
anyone noticed?
Fera’s 2nd kick would’ve been good from 60 yards away.
We all knew Fera had a big leg.
The announcers kept talking about his career long FG of 43 yards. He is not Collin Wagner. I thought Blackledge would have had the skinny on Fera and his leg.
I thought Blackledge would have had the skinny on Fera and his leg.
Taste of the Town segment on Fera’s skinny leg?
oh, I read that wrong.
My grammer skills need improved.
by BMAN13 on Nov 21, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Fera's skinny leg
marinated in cruzan, of course
by PSUmob on Nov 21, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
anyone noticed?
Fera’s 2nd kick would’ve been good from 60 yards away.
I noticed it three times!
/sorry
//damnservers?
Run.
by Bob Sacamano on Nov 21, 2011 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
anyone noticed?
Fera’s 2nd kick would’ve been good from 60 yards away.
Said this in another thread
but Sukay had 2 key break-ups that would have been catches if he doesn’t force the ball out. He had my game ball with Fera a close 2nd.
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I think Green deserves a mention...
2 TD’s for a guy who went through hell to get back on the field. That first run was exactly what I’ve been waiting for from this kid for 2 years now.
Any update on the coaching search?
I know the Meyer-to-OSU rumors were all over the place this weekend, but has the been anything definitive on that front?
"Every time you go to that cook-off you get drunk as a poet on payday!"
He supposedly broke off all communication with PSU after The Thing happened.
by Chris Grovich on Nov 21, 2011 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
Not surprising
Time to find someone who wants to be Our Hero.
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Tom Bradley
Let's go State
Beat Wisconsin!
by jman07 on Nov 21, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I understand the desire to hire "outside the family" here
But if Scrap sticks around as head coach, I wouldn’t be upset.
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by Peter Gray on Nov 21, 2011 10:41 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I know
and if there is a “better” candidate who appears, by all means we should take him. However, if Tom is the best option, and he isn’t hired because he’s an “insider” then whoever hires him really is gutless and doesn’t have the football team’s best interest in mind.
Let's go State
Beat Wisconsin!
I think Scrap would do a fine job as HC
but I can’t see any way they don’t clean house after this year. The PR/public image concerns are going to be what drives the hiring process, and football is going to be secondary.
"Every time you go to that cook-off you get drunk as a poet on payday!"
I'm fearful of that as well
and if that is the case, we’re going to end up with a Charlie Weis-ish ND hire.
Let's go State
Beat Wisconsin!
I love TB and think he has earned a shot
but unfortunately I also think they clean house. And I really don’t see a big name guy coming in the wake of all this. I think the biggest issue is the NCAA investigation hanging over our heads…that has the potential to impact football long term, whereas the scandal, from a purely football point of view, probably stops being an issue once a new coaching staff comes in.
I think we are probably looking at a small school hire, and we have to hope that he has Tressell-like success (without the Tressell-like issues, or any issue for that matter).
No matter what I’ll be giving the new guy a very long leash as far as on-field performance goes for at least the next couple years.
That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.
by Nittany_Ryan on Nov 21, 2011 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
I meant
that if they clean house, we’re going to have to take the 5th or 6th choice, who isn’t a particularly good football coach. And that it will lead to a disaster of a football team. That’s my gut feeling.
Let's go State
Beat Wisconsin!
You don't necessarily know that
His tenure ended poorly, but Jim Tressel was far from Ohio State’s first choice. They wanted Glen Mason!
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Chris Petersen from Boise State...
With Bradley at Defensive Coordinator.
Hey, you can’t blame me for wanting an ideal scenario of two top-notch head coach-caliber guys running the team.
by Tezcatlipoca on Nov 21, 2011 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not convinced Petersen is going to ever leave Boise
After he passed on the Stanford job, I’m not sure what else he wants. He’s a West Coast guy, so I’m not sure he’d want to move across the country, or if it’s even a good idea.
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I believe Petersen has a daughter with special medical needs.
I doubt he wants to move her across the country if he likes the care she is getting in Boise.
by Chris Grovich on Nov 21, 2011 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
Anything above Boise State is probably more high-profile than Petersen prefers...
But a Tez can dream, right?
by Tezcatlipoca on Nov 21, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
After last year I thought this as well
But the conference shuffle may have finally changed things. At this point it is really hard to see Boise getting into an AQ conference any time soon (I don’t see the Big East holding on to AQ status). Maybe he loves Boise and is willing to wait it out…that would be cool. But its harder now for an upstart team to gain respect than it was 20-30 years ago, when independents could still schedule respectable schedules and not go broke.
That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.
by Nittany_Ryan on Nov 21, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
I can see the next guy being a "veteran" 5-6 year hire
to “steer the ship” while the university cleans this mess up. I think the next guy after that will be the young hotshot-type.
"Every time you go to that cook-off you get drunk as a poet on payday!"
Dungy now makes some sense there.
I know we’ve heard his name bandied about for years, but he is one of maybe two high-profile guys (Al Golden being the other) who I could see accepting the job as an explicit “fixer’s” role. With his handling of Michael Vick, he has shown himself to be genuinely willing to tackle tough, PR-unfriendly tasks in pursuit of bringing integrity to the game, and with his Big Ten (Minnesota) and PA (Steelers) ties, I expect a chance to bestow his credibility on our school and conference may appeal to him. At the very least, Joyner and Co. should do their due diligence and reach out to gauge his interest.
For the record, I believe Scrap deserves a shot. His steady leadership the last few weeks has been inspiring.
The depth of both my sadness and anger is unfathomable.
We (Still) Are...
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Dungy brings...
um…baggage with him.
11/9/11 - the day the music died.
The bitter with the better.
by Esteban d' Amur on Nov 21, 2011 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
Peyton Mannings spinal fluid
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What happned with his son...
Tough to go into a living room and explain to parents how you are going to watch over their son for 4 years after that. It may not be fair, but it will be used against him on the recruiting trail.
11/9/11 - the day the music died.
The bitter with the better.
by Esteban d' Amur on Nov 21, 2011 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I hear ya.
Is there any doubt that Deebo goes there?
I thought maybe there was something else beyond that. I have been a total Dungy agnostic up to this point, for a variety of reasons, but if the BOT announced him as the next HC, I wouldn’t be disappointed. And I do believe that if we are using fear of ESPN as the primary hiring criteria (which, for good or ill, it seems that we are), then I think it would calm that storm.
The depth of both my sadness and anger is unfathomable.
We (Still) Are...
The NFL...
guys typically don’t do all that great in college.
11/9/11 - the day the music died.
The bitter with the better.
by Esteban d' Amur on Nov 21, 2011 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
Except when it works
Walsh and Harbaugh to the pros (maybe its a 49ers thing) or Pete the Cheat to USC.
by kijana's acl on Nov 21, 2011 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
That's absurd
I’d send my son to play for him tomorrow, because I know that parents, spouses, etc. often have no prior knowledge that could have prevented a suicide. It’s sad. It’s not his fault. Kind of like Joe’s situation, in my opinion.
by kijana's acl on Nov 21, 2011 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
As we have ..
learned over the past 2 weeks, life is absurd.
11/9/11 - the day the music died.
The bitter with the better.
by Esteban d' Amur on Nov 21, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
I guess I have too much sympathy for parents who have lost a child
Not trolling. I lost my oldest.
by kijana's acl on Nov 21, 2011 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
I'm sorry to hear that..
As a new parent, I can’t imagine what that feels like. I too sympathize with Dungy.
11/9/11 - the day the music died.
The bitter with the better.
by Esteban d' Amur on Nov 21, 2011 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
You mean his son?
It’s a sad story, and maybe I don’t know the details. But I haven’t heard of anything else.
The depth of both my sadness and anger is unfathomable.
We (Still) Are...
Yes...
and the fact that he isn’t a very good coach IMO.
11/9/11 - the day the music died.
The bitter with the better.
by Esteban d' Amur on Nov 21, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
What's the most boring guy Penn State could hire?
That’s who they’re getting in my opinion.. or just someone completely awful. I wouldn’t be shocked to see a Jim Caldwell hire.
by AlmostAYardShy on Nov 21, 2011 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
If they hire Caldwell...
the RichRod years will look awesome in comparison.
11/9/11 - the day the music died.
The bitter with the better.
by Esteban d' Amur on Nov 21, 2011 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know about that.
Turning the Bucs around back in the late 90’s was in no small part his accomplishment, and he strikes me as a good CEO-style coach.
Anyway, I am still not in love with the idea of bringing him in, so I don’t want to turn into his “comment thread champion.” I’m just more open to it than I once was.
The depth of both my sadness and anger is unfathomable.
We (Still) Are...
I like Dungy
I think he’d run a clean program and continue Joe’s legacy. I think assistants would want to work for him, perhaps even some currently on staff (LJ Sr. for one, maybe Vandy). He’s won everywhere he’s coached, including a previously terrible situation in Tampa.
by kijana's acl on Nov 21, 2011 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
He just bought a house in Boalsburg...
But that was just before The Thing.
"Sean Stanley Was Covering An Eligible Ohio State Receiver Approximately 184 Yards Downfield."
And doing it well. Hard to believe from a big man…but awesome to watch.
Sean. Stanley.
Not only was he covering an eligible man down field, that bit of athleticism to swat the ball away from the big guy made my jaw drop
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My favorite part of the game was
when all of the gameday fools gave PSU no shot at this game – I knew it was a lock. I want to choke Demond Howard with the strap of his European Men’s Carryall.
I loved the pergame sportsmanship between the teams – would like to see a similar ceremony become a tradition.
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Don't worry
Next week in Madison, all the commentators will be telling the world how PSU has no chance again.
Let's go State
Beat Wisconsin!
And that we're all a bunch of pervs
/smh
I'm not rationalizing - I'm being totally irrational
by GoodOleDays on Nov 21, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
We should suit up Daryll Clark and see if anyone notices...
Penn State should see if Danny O’Brien from Maryland is interested in transferring there. He’s had a rough year under Edsall and Crowton screwing with him, but he’s a top-talent QB and there’s no way he stays at Maryland after being jerked around like he has.
by Tezcatlipoca on Nov 21, 2011 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
/nods vigorously
Applying Crowton to QB talent is a terrible idea.
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I almost wanted to jump through my screen and choke Desmond...
when Lee Corso said it wouldn’t take too long for us to get back because we are Penn State and Desmond and Kirk disagreed hard. Desmond said something along the lines of the We Are chant is “quaint and cute” and the moment of silence was nice but they aren’t going to help us and its going to take a very long time for them to recover.
I know its going to take a long time to change people’s minds and I should stop getting worked up over it. As Corso would say… “Ah fuck it”
I'm not sure why anyone even watches that drool
Come on, College Game Day lost its appeal ten years ago. Stop watching it, they just scream loud noises to get you pissed off…why waste your time
"That's why you don't play! 'Cuz you're no good!" -Joe Paterno
Wathcing Corso yell, "Ah, fuck it!" is a good warmup to Saturday's games, though.
by Tezcatlipoca on Nov 21, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
This was my first week watching in a few months
I couldn’t have picked a better one.
Fire Dan Snyder
I totally typoed there.
Aw, fuck it.
by Tezcatlipoca on Nov 21, 2011 1:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
McGloin now has something very few Penn State quarterbacks can claim: a win at the Horseshoe.
SO DOES PAT DEVLIN!!
/messageboard’d
by speedomike on Nov 21, 2011 10:40 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Well if that's the case
so does Clark.
by misdreavus79 on Nov 21, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The coaching staff
Showed a commitment this game to favor “play to win” over “play not to lose”- and I loved it (despite the play calls on the GL). And Redd’s run where he juked out that DB to pick up an extra 10+ yds perfectly summarized the level of satisfaction this game gave us PSU fans.
And if that wasn’t enough, Im pretty sure I out fist pumped my season high from the Illinois game. I’m not sure such an unnecessary win could feel any better.
by stewsplace on Nov 21, 2011 10:48 AM EST via mobile reply actions 2 recs
I dont know why we are getting mad about not kicking
I realize the play calling was incredibly dumb, like headbutting a wall dumb, but why not go for it. 99 yards is the longest you can go for a score and I don’t think OSU does it. Did anyone forget they fumbled like 6 plays later.
Going up by 9 is nice, but you then kick off and our kick coverage isnt exactly the best (Its Stephon Green vs everybody) which is awesome.
We killed alot of clock though. And I like that
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I think most people are OK with going for it
just not with the playcalls.
That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.
by Nittany_Ryan on Nov 21, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
And that, by not converting, it gave
osu a big lift. They got re-energized after that stop, and that could have had dire consequences for us.
All that said, I would’ve preferred spreading the field and using Belton/Drake in the cat.
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by PSU_Lions_84 on Nov 21, 2011 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
The coaching in the game was the best of the year
By far, the best time management of the season so far, most aggressive offensive playcalling this side of the first Bama series, etc.
Personally, I like to think that the legacy of Paterno puts some needed caution into the staff here, that tempers their agression to make it especially powerful, but from a pure football perspective, I think it’s hard to argue that this wasn’t the best coached game of the season, and by a wide margin at that.
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by spakajewia on Nov 21, 2011 11:21 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
After seeing how aggressive the offensive playcalling was
I was sitting on my couch clapping like a drunken seal.
I saw a girl crying tonight. When I asked why she said: "Because everybody lost."
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We got Offensive Props
From a Michigan fan. He texted me, “since when is PSU’s offense fun to watch?” Really looking forward to Wis now.
That was a great win
Even though this is not one of OSU’s better teams, Columbus is still a very tough place to win a game. Hats off to the team and the coaching staff for a great effort. Loved the wildcat. Excellent chance to get the ball into the hands of 2 exciting young playmakers. I’m also thinking I’d like Scrap to have a chance to be head coach. Gotta say, though, think I woulda kicked the FG. Take the points on the roads. I had visions of a soul crushing 21-20 loss dancing through my head during the 4th quarter.
I hate to say it, but Braxton Miller is gonna be good someday
so I’m mentally preparing for this moment now. He has a much better arm and throwing mechanics than Cryor ever had.
Defense wins championships
Miller playing in Urbz's spread offense
DO NOT WANT
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Agreed
With their ability to recruit great defensive talent, he could build a legit national title team there (good for the B1G, not so much for PSU fans’ mental health). I mean, if he can win with Tebow and his throwing ability, Miller almost looks like an upgrade… at least in terms of ability.
The depth of both my sadness and anger is unfathomable.
We (Still) Are...
Don't forget
they may lose a few scholies for a few years :-). Then again, so may we :-(
I used to be indecisive. Now I'm not sure.
^ this
Ironic too, because I had the same thought in ‘08 when Tpeezy was a freshman. Can’t rule out Miller getting arrested or sidelined for something down the road though – this is Ohio State we’re talking about.
by stewsplace on Nov 21, 2011 11:41 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Braxton Miller is a stud
I REALLY want to see him run all over Michigan this week. I’ve been taking so much crap from Michigan fans, more than usual, that I really, really want that to happen.
Wildcat
It was so freaking exciting to see our offense look like it had a pulse on Saturday. It also makes me miss Newsome quite a bit since he could have been dominant in a run-option offense even if it was only a couple of plays a game…
Anyway, the flashlights eat our human power grids, our souls if you will. So i destroyed them, and if a few precious panties were burnt or soiled in the reckoning then so be it
Surprising Ohio State fans
I was at the game. I may have to re-access my opinions of the tOSU fans. They were great and sympathetic to us PSU fans. They even cheered our team when they left the field after pre-game warm up. Some thanked us for coming. Now if Wisconsin fans act that way then I’ll know Hell froze over,.
This is heartening
but throws a wrench in my inclination to despise tOSU generally.
by The Schmatta on Nov 21, 2011 8:00 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, they don't hate you guys
they hate Wisconsin a LOT more of late because of the Badgers ruining the 2010 campaign. When they should thank us, because Ohio State would have had to vacate the national title. Ugh.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Nov 22, 2011 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
This is unsurprising...
Balanced Like A Drunk In An Earthquake. Penn State’s first down playcalls? 21 runs, three passes. When Penn State runs for 6.1 yards per carry in Columbus, however, we shouldn’t complain.
I’m curious how many of those were tailback runs versus runs out of our wildcat formation.
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I'm pretty sure when Bradley made the decision to go for it...
he already knew we had to beat Wisky to go to the B1G CG. With that in mind (not that a loss would have been a good thing), I loved the go on 4th down. There really wasn’t all that much to lose considering our defense… and a touchdown there would have pretty much iced the game.
I did not like the play calls on that series though. I mean, it was as if Joe were standing on the sidelines and hadn’t learned his lesson from the ‘79 Sugar Bowl. At least do something that makes it LOOK like you aren’t going to run right up the middle.
We'll we can fake it up the middle
AND THEN RUN IT UP THE MIDDLE! Wait…
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by skarocksoi on Nov 21, 2011 3:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Or load up the backfield with tight ends and fullbacks
and don’t run McGloin and Redd. Zordich running behind the left side of the line with Cadogan in front, should get you 2 yards 90% of the time.
by kijana's acl on Nov 21, 2011 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
here was bradley's quote about the 4th and 1
But for the Lions’ players and coaches, Saturday meant everything, and it showed. Midway through the third quarter, Penn State faced fourth-and-goal from the Ohio State 1-yard line, leading by six.
“Normally, I would have probably kicked it,” Bradley said. “But I felt that would have been the wrong decision. … I’m asking those guys to go to the wall, so I’m going to the wall.”
I just want to mention how nice it is to see everyone discuss football today.
A welcome sight to my Mondays.
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by Adam Collyer on Nov 21, 2011 4:03 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
inverted wishbone on the goalline
Zordich and huge dude who can move of your choice, with Dukes at tailback. Who in their right mind would want to get in the way of that?
Speaking of Dukes
is he in witness protection or something that I don’t know about?
Let's go State
Beat Wisconsin!
Yeah, a serious question
Attitude? Complicated situation currently? Otherwise, I can’t understand why we’re not utilizing his obvious talents more.
by The Schmatta on Nov 21, 2011 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
About Dukes
According to this blog:
http://blogs.thetimes-tribune.com/pennstate/#.TsspEvK8iw4
Dukes is having fumbling issues in practice.
Like how they used...
KiJana, Wittman and Milne back in the day?
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by Esteban d' Amur on Nov 21, 2011 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
I just wish we had the same offensive line
that those guys ran behind. That was indeed a close-to-unstoppable situation all the way around.
Did the game ball make it to Joe's house?
by PSUinOH on Nov 21, 2011 4:37 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Gotta wonder if Dukes can't handle the playbook
He’s such a freak as a physical specimen and seems to do well when given the chance. Wonder if he was one of those guys who only knew the plays where he carried the ball back in high school.
Strangely, for a big back
Dukes’ high school highlights consists of the triple option and him out-running everyone to the edge.
by whiteoutonly on Nov 21, 2011 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks for the link
Dukes also looks like the biggest kid on the field in some of those clips. Just tough to know how kids are gonna transition from HS to the college game. My son’s playing at a small school but told me their defensive playbook is 100x more complicated than anything he ever did in HS.
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by ReadingRambler on Nov 21, 2011 7:15 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I'd imagine there were a lot of parents
sitting and the stands and saying " oh my god, does junior really have to try to tackle that kid?"
Gotta be some reason
Since he’s looked good in the time he’s had. Am I crazy, or can’t he be every bit as good as Redd (of whom I’m a big fan, btw)?
by The Schmatta on Nov 21, 2011 7:57 PM EST up reply actions
Wildcat
Is there a reason they keep the “real” QB on the field during a wildcat? It seems like a wasted position. The only thing I can think is the other team will see him in the huddle and not know the wildcat is coming until the last second. Is this correct?
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by NJ lion on Nov 21, 2011 6:40 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
There's always the possibility of a lateral pass to the QB, then a forward pass downfield.
by Tezcatlipoca on Nov 21, 2011 7:04 PM EST up reply actions
Excuuuuuuse me but
McGloin has caught 100% of the passes thrown to him as a receiver this season.
2 feet down and a football move.
That’s a catch.
by Tezcatlipoca on Nov 22, 2011 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
You have a fair team, well coached as the record shows. But you really are not up to playing Oregon or Stanford. You give to much credit to your opponets.
OSU is a broken team, 118th in the nation in passing. Even so they beat themselves to you, purdue, and as well Nebraska.
Review the drives. OSU was moving the ball well against your defense. There were 3 bad snaps that halted drives. Two more were stopped by fumbles. Your defense is good but when you play MSU you will they are the best. Provided you get by Whisky. Wisconsin has the best offense and is best chance of scoring enough points to win a Rose bowl. At min it will take 35. Lets face it if Wisky is the best overall B1G team, we suck this year. OSU has talent and when it is formed into a team they will win by more than 7 points.
Your second test will come Saturday, You lost the first one. I want to see the best team thats gives us the best chance of winning the Rose Bowl for the B1G get there. Frankly i think its Wisconsin. They will need a fast start, unstoppable running game with a good performance from Russel running and passing. Their defense will have to play its best game of the year.
Your second test will come Saturday, You lost the first one.
My problem with sentiments such as this (and this isn’t necessarily directly at you, buzzbuck, but at the many, many people who have said this this year) is that it is in hindsight. Nearly every game this year (save, perhaps, ISU, Indiana, and EMU) has been a “test” before the game. If you look back, we’ve been picked to lose to Iowa, Northwestern, and Ohio State—all of whom we beat. Only after we win those games has press come out and said, “well, they weren’t a real test. wait til the _ game.”
Please note, too, that Wisconsin LOST to the “broken” Ohio State team that we beat. Apparently, it was a test for them (a test they failed) but it wasn’t a test for us? This type of logic confounds me.
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