The St. Joe's Massacre: A Sign Of What's To Come?
Penn State got pantsed on Hawk Hill Saturday, just a little bit before the football team followed suit. I didn't watch the basketball game, but I don't think I missed anything that I didn't see in Connecticut. This team can flat-out brick some jump shots, and I fear it's going to be a far too common theme when this team is not in the Bryce Jordan Center.
In a game that didn't look so lopsided on paper, Penn State got down 22-0 after the first 8 and a half minutes. They missed their first 16 shots. They finished the first half down 33-10, while shooting just 4-38 from the field! I can't find a first half box score to come up with some efficiency numbers, but I do know that's a 13.5% eFG%. That's the lowest I've ever seen in one half. That nearly cuts last year's Maryland game percentage in half.
Looking at the numbers, this game seems to follow the pattern set forth at the Hall of Fame Tipoff. Penn State settled for way too many threes, shot way too poorly (allowing 12 of their shots to be swatted!), and never got themselves some foul shots. They did, however, win the rebounding battle (rebounding margin is meaningless when your opponent misses 52 shots compared to your 29) and forced more turnovers.
| Team | Poss | Score | PPP | eFG% | TO% | OReb% | FT Rate |
| PSU | 70 | 47 | 0.67 | 31.7% | 15.7% | 28.3% | 9.9% |
| SJU | 70 | 65 | 0.93 | 46.9% | 22.9% | 23.3% | 51.0% |
Ross Travis had himself a nice game statistically with 10 points (5-9 from the floor), 6 boards in 28 minutes. He also accounted for 4 of the 7 free throw attempts, but he missed all of them. Tim Frazier really struggled from the floor, missing all 12 of his shots in the first half. Hopefully this is not a sign of things to come for him, and we can just put this in the 'bad game' column. Billy Oliver was the leading scorer with his 4 threes, but when you keep hoisting them, they'll eventually fall. Also, I would love to hear any opinions on the near brawl that apparently occurred in the second half.
While we have said all preseason long that we knew this team was going to struggle, we're now hit with the reality of witnessing how bad this basketball team can be. Chambers is going to have his hands full dealing with the fragile pysche of such a young team on the road. I don't think we'll see it snowball that badly again, but it sure isn't going to be pretty. Any road win is going to be monumental for this team (that South Florida game is going to be a season highlight come March, IMO).
I'm not sure what PSU can do to fix their woes on offense. They obviously have to start making jump shots (because for the most part, they've been good, open looks), but there's no evidence saying this team can against upper competition. They need Trey Lewis to find his swagger sooner than later on offense, Ross Travis or Jon Graham to accelerate their post-game development, and find a winger who can attack the rim off the bounce. Jermaine seems to be the only one who has the attack mentality, but I don't know if he has the quickness or handle to do so consistently against better teams. If only DJ Newbill was eligible...
Looking ahead, PSU faces another road test, but the good news is it's their best remaining chance to get a win away from home. There will be more on the Boston College Eagles and the Big Ten-ACC Challenge later this week.
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Eh, it's a rebuilding year, getting crapped on isn't ultimately too surprising
It is disappointing, but not too surprising, though winning a big game sometime would be nice
Tom Bradley- Bringing back Success with Honor since 11/9/11 (Since the BoT aren't)
Forget the 409 wins and 2 national championships. Joe Paterno helped mold thousands of young men into productive members of our society.
by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Nov 28, 2011 6:06 PM EST reply actions
Someone, somewhere...
…told me that adversity builds character.
I sure have a lot of character these days…
Penn State Proud
by pennst92 on Nov 28, 2011 6:11 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
St. Joe's is probably the 2nd best team
PSU has faced or will face between Kentucky and Ohio State on Jan 25. Michigan is probably better; Purdue looks roughly equal, but Purdue at home is probably not as good as St. Joe’s on the road.
Very disappointing FT Rate and PPP, but other than that, not a bad showing on the road at what’s probably an NCAA tournament team.
GO IOWA AWESOME, now and forever, until PSU sees them in basketball and wrestling
Beat Wisconsin
Wow.
I’m a fan of SJU. I thought a lot of people were underestimating them coming into the year. They have a nice team that should help them bounce back from their down years. But they’re still a middle of the pack A-10 team. Unless the A10 is getting 5-6 teams in, they are no shoe-in for the Big Dance. And they sure as hell wouldn’t finish in the upper half of the Big Ten.
That kid who tackled Talor Battle.
Michigan is significantly better
I think they have a chance of making the Final Four this season. I would’ve even felt stronger about that if Morris has stayed in school. A loss by 30 in that first B10 game up there is definitely not out of the question.
by mundyscorner99 on Nov 28, 2011 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
There are going to be games like this
Can’t say I’m all that surprised. Do you remember the Maryland game last year? That team was much better than this one and that happened at home. I wouldn’t be surprised if there were 5 more games equally as painful. (At least they won’t all be the same day as awful football games.) I guess we can take our rose colored glasses off and realize it is going to be a long year. I’m just hoping we show improvement during the year and can find a couple quality bigs to build on.
We'll shoot better
Honestly, if you looked at the prospect of the 2011-12 season the day after we lost to Temple last year, you’d have been happy to hear that we only lost by 18 at St. Joe’s. I’ve already seen more positive things out of this team than I expected. Bad results notwithstanding, I’m excited about the future of this program under Chambers.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
I like the enthusiasm about the team
But there are going to be more games like this especially as we get into the Big Ten season. This year reminds me a lot of the the 2001-02 season, the year after the last NCAA tournament appearance, where the team lost a bunch of seniors and there wasn’t much left in terms of returning experience. There were a few non-conference wins that year, but only two in conference play. I will be satisfied this season with a team that doesn’t quit, is scrappy, and can be competitive against the teams they are supposed to be, along with maybe putting in a scare or two into one of the teams they are overmatched against.
by mundyscorner99 on Nov 28, 2011 10:46 PM EST reply actions
Opinion on near brawl
I was at the arena. There was a scrum for a loose ball on the floor in front of the scorer’s table. Someone was pushed and there was retaliation. Hard to say who initiated it. No punches were thrown, but it was so involved we thought for sure there would be ejections. When players were being held back I actually saw Woodyard as the hottest PSU player, he was ready to fight. A St. Joe’s player made an obscene gesture. Kanacevic walked from the crowd and threw his arms to the St. Joe’s student section and they cheered – I immediately disliked Kanacevic.
It almost reminded of the part in Hoosiers where they fight in the opposing gym. From that perspective I think it was good. Shows fight in predominately underclassmen team and in a confined opposing gym (think the closeness of cozy old Rec Hall).
Thanks for the report.
I gathered some of the St. Joe’s players didn’t take to PSU’s ‘attitude’ and diving for loose balls.
That kid who tackled Talor Battle.

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