Joe Paterno Press Conference Live Thread
by Chris Grovich on Nov 8, 2011 11:34 AM EST
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PrintUpdate #2: The New York Times reports that Paterno will be out "perhaps within days or weeks".
Update #1: Well this isn't going to help.
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Scheduled to begin around noon. We'll see how long it takes for someone to break the non-Nebraska seal.
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I bet it's a circus in State College right now
Anyway, the flashlights eat our human power grids, our souls if you will. So i destroyed them, and if a few precious panties were burnt or soiled in the reckoning then so be it
My friend is down the street outside Beaver Stadium at the moment. He said it’s a nightmare.
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by Chris McKeown on Nov 8, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
Paterno's just gonna get asked a bunch of questions
not pertaining anything to what he’s wanting to talk about.
Let Paterno and the team focus on their thing and investigation focus on theirs. Seperation of football and state.
A plateau is a high form of flattery.
by Assorted Fruit on Nov 8, 2011 11:46 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Did they just do the one thing that makes this all worse?
Its like lawyering up. Reeks of guilt.
keep winning ugly
I think it would have been a mess to have the interview
Joe would refuse to answer anything not pertaining to Nebraska and the press would just continue to ask anyway.
Disagree.
From the university’s perspective, this mess was caused by a lack of transparency and accountability. Going into hiding is just throwing fuel on the fire. This is an incredibly dumb decision. Graham Spanier is a stupid, stupid person.
by Illegal Formation on Nov 8, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
agreed....at some point he will have to address
overall this has been handled poorly since friday
let's go state
Disagree a bit
I’d rather they postpone the inevitable and get the true story right, then have a slow bleed (like O$U) where new facts keep coming out and make the initial press conference look like a futherance of a cover up.
by kijana's acl on Nov 8, 2011 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
That's a fair point,
but as Kevin says below, they’ve had this since Saturday. 3 days is enough time to get your shit together.
by Illegal Formation on Nov 8, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
That's reasonable
Something has to said, formally, and soon.
by kijana's acl on Nov 8, 2011 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
Seems to me they've "had this" since at least 1998, and have done a great job getting their stories straight.
It is just the wrong story. I guess they need a new one.
We play tackle football.
by Bellanca on Nov 8, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm tired of that 1998 red herring
No one knew anything about that. 2002 isn’t much better, but lets stop selectively using the facts we want to fit our agenda and personal narrative
'Why would she have you meet her in a bar at ten in the morning?'
'I just figured she was a raging alcoholic'
by psuphysicist on Nov 8, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Counsel to PSU had notice of the 1998 investigation.
How red do you want your flag, how large should it be, and how far do you want it run up the flagpole.
That's not the worst of it.
Penn State and the Second Mile shared the same counsel at that time.
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The Second Mile learned of another investigation involving Mr. Sandusky in 2002. In its statement, the agency said its chief executive officer, Jack Raykovitz, testified at the investigating grand jury that he had been told by Penn State athletic director Tim Curley that an internal investigation had found no corroboration for an allegation of inappropriate contact by Mr. Sandusky with a youth in a university locker room.
If they told the CEO that the investigation was fruitless, im sure they told Joe. Seems to refute the “why didnt he follow up, do more” angle. Here’s why. He was likely told it was nothing.
Perhaps...
…but it may also be enough to make someone say, “Hay – let’s keep an eye on him”.
yes like tim curley
who’s bright idea it was to allow him on campus after he “retired” in the first place.
by swiggy04 on Nov 8, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Perhaps we have different definitions of "red herring."
If Paterno wasn’t interviewed by detectives in a criminal investigation of a senior staffer who frequently brought unattached young boys onto university property, in the context of that criminal investigation, whoa, the depths of this whitewashing aren’t even hinted at yet.
We play tackle football.
That was the investigation done by the State College police (not PS Police),
in which Paterno was not interviewed, and the since disappeared and presumed legally dead DA told them to stop the investigation.
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Well, if you're sure that Paterno was not interviewed, I'm curious how you know that, since it's not in the public record.
Because I don’t know how a corporation’s “police force” conducts an honest investigation of a corporation employee without talking to his boss. The explanations are a) that it was not a sincere investigation; or b) incompetence.
We play tackle football.
i think a combination of the 2
but the GJ report does address the 98 investigation and mention that no one at the school was made aware…paterno corroborated that statement
let's go state
by 424E. on Nov 8, 2011 3:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well, Joe's spokesman in this, his son
has reported that Joe did not know about the police investigation. I have a hard time believing that would be reported without knowing that Joe was not interviewed.
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I'm sure you're right.
Which is good for Joe and bad for PSU, since that means, as 424E says, its ALL OF THE ABOVE. Man, I fear large organizations.
We play tackle football.
You've got it right...
Hiding and hoping it all blows over is just wishful thinking and makes things worse.
I think though, there’s a good reason Spanier is in hiding… there’s more that has yet to come to light.
We’ll see soon enough. In the meantime, Spanier must be removed from office. Ditto Joe. It’s a shame in Paterno’s case, because this is going to be at the top of his obituary… but then again, it is more of a shame that boys were raped on his watch.
as a witness to the case
Joe is probably (definitely) barred from speaking about it in a public forum. If they felt that all the questions were going to be about the scandal, then having this conference is futile.
That being said, Joe looks like he is gone.
Is this surprising?
everybody and their mother knew that no questions would be asked about Nebraska. I would have been surprised if the PC did happen.
"I don’t know what he’s done differently, whether he’s eating differently or Sue is making him happier, but he’s definitely a different coach out there" Devon Still
So have a press conference about the event, even if you have to decline most of the questions for legal reasons. It at least indicates you’re trying to be up front with everyone about what happened. Apparently they’re okay with doing that, which is just another penny in the pile at this point.
by Kevin Powers on Nov 8, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
What good would have come out of it? It was a lose lose. He answers a question wrong, he is killed for it. He doesn’t answer a question, he’s killed for it. He issues a prepared statement like yesterday, he is killed for it. Now they cancel it so that he doesn’t get grilled and maybe say something that gets them in even more trouble, he gets killed for it. At this point, it has turned into a witchhunt and no answer or action will pacify those seeking heads.
"I don’t know what he’s done differently, whether he’s eating differently or Sue is making him happier, but he’s definitely a different coach out there" Devon Still
by jman07 on Nov 8, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions 11 recs
Well if it’s really a lose-lose, maybe it’s time to get out of the way then.
And it should be noted that they didn’t find out about this on Saturday night, they’ve know the details of the a significant amount of time and that there was the possibility of being asked about this since at least 2002. If you can’t come up with a good reason for your actions with nine years to prepare maybe there isn’t one.
by Kevin Powers on Nov 8, 2011 12:13 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
Unless the university is going to cancel every public speaking engagement for the rest of time, somebody’s going to have to face a question about this at some point. “No comment” is better than utter silence.
by Illegal Formation on Nov 8, 2011 12:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You are right it is a lose-lose situation
how bout then just telling the truth. If you are facing the firing squad anyway, just tell the truth, as it will come out anyway.
Joe Pa and Spanier can at least say, as they are showed the door, I told the truth in the end. should’ve told it earlier, but at least they told it in the end.
that is how i see it.
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by Bloodpunch's Barbasol on Nov 8, 2011 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
Joe will tell all - probably sooner than later
Spanier will go to his grave claiming that he’s never heard of this ‘Sandusky’ fellow.
I suck 'em down like Coca-Cola.
by ATLion on Nov 8, 2011 3:42 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Joe has nothing to hide
if he didn’t do everything he could have, he will probably be the one who feels the most guilty knowing what happened then and what happened later. If that’s enough to condemn him, then I guess that’s it. But Joe never has, and won’t currently, cover anything up.
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by OctaShields on Nov 8, 2011 3:49 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
This should have been done on Sunday
Or at the latest, yesterday. I mean, trying to have a press conference about the Nebraska game right now was a stupid idea to begin with.
But antagonizing the press is about the only way Spanier could make this situation worse.
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by newenglandnittanylion on Nov 8, 2011 11:51 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Via ESPN
STATE COLLEGE — Penn State administrators have canceled Joe Paterno’s weekly news conference in which he was expected to field questions about a sex abuse scandal involving a former assistant coach.
Paterno’s son Scott tells The Associated Press on Tuesday that the decision was made by President Graham Spanier’s office.
Scott Paterno says his father was disappointed and was prepared to take questions about the scandal as well as the upcoming game against Nebraska.
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." --Rogers Hornsby
I may get some hate for saying this...
but it sounds like Paterno is hiding behind the administration, again.
by dontcallmescooter on Nov 8, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
I don't know
With the way Paterno’s sometimes runs his mouth, maybe Spanier was scared about what he might say
by runlikeanantelope on Nov 8, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Yeah, it's always conceivable that someone like Paterno would just stand up and tell the truth.
We play tackle football.
Someone like Paterno?
You mean the guy that built an 80 year reputation on honesty and integrity?
Yeah, that guy.
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by Adam Collyer on Nov 8, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Obviously, the university is afraid of just that: that he will say things they don't want said. So they cancelled his forum.
And you guys call that trolling? Pointing that out?
If I were associated with Black Shoe Diaries, I might be more concerned about fostering an environment in which it’s “trolling” to note that your president is silencing your coach, who at the same time (according to you) has an 80—year reputation for “honesty and integrity”, in regard to the worst scandal in NCAA history. If my remark is out of bounds, the smart thing to do would be to ban me, because otherwise you’ll have to take a look at the troglodytes who think that the victims here are people like Paterno..
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by Bellanca on Nov 8, 2011 1:03 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I thought you were being sarcastic. All apologies. We agree.
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It's going to be a little rough around here for a while. Please be patient with us.
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"a little rough" doesn't begin to approach the severity of the shit-storm that is approaching.
by Stay thirsty, my friends. on Nov 8, 2011 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
Is approaching?
In the immortal words of Johnny Cash
How deep is the shit mama?
3 feet high and risin’
"I don’t know what he’s done differently, whether he’s eating differently or Sue is making him happier, but he’s definitely a different coach out there" Devon Still
It's gunna get worse, much, much worse.
It’s a giant shit sandwich and everyone is gunna have to take a bite.
by Stay thirsty, my friends. on Nov 8, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
Im assuming you thought he said "inconceivable", thats what I read it at first
by clay-born to party on Nov 8, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
Nope, I just didn't gauge the tone properly.
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Me neither, evidently haha
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by Pete the Streak on Nov 8, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
Pitch forks and torches.
He’s picking me up shortly.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
Me too
If Joe is taken down like this, I hope he takes all the slime who are actually at fault with him. Of course, I doubt he would, because he’s a bigger man than that.
"I don’t know what he’s done differently, whether he’s eating differently or Sue is making him happier, but he’s definitely a different coach out there" Devon Still
by jman07 on Nov 8, 2011 1:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Paterno can say anything he wants, about anything.
The legal system has nothing to do with it. Maybe the PSU general counsel and whichever army of litigators they’ve hired to try to control this bonfire had something to do with it — but Paterno can say anything he wants to anyone. If he wants to.
We play tackle football.
hah yea well he wont go to jail
but the prosecutor’s don’t want him speaking on specifics of the case and you can bet PSU doesn’t want him speaking on specifics of the case.
The legal system has nothing to do with it? we are only here because of legal proceedings in which Joe is a key witness. The legal system has everything to do with it.
The AG of Pennsylvania did not cancel that press conference.
PSU did. PSU is not “the legal system.” This is an important observation, if you care about the behavior of PSU executives.
We play tackle football.
I had hoped that the failures of PSU executives were contained to Curley and Schultz.
I’m beginning to suspect I may have been badly wrong.
Tom Bradley for offensive coordinator.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 8, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
I'm with you RR
this might just be the tip of the iceberg. And that terrifies me.
"I don’t know what he’s done differently, whether he’s eating differently or Sue is making him happier, but he’s definitely a different coach out there" Devon Still
Yeah, I agree
There’s really no reason to force Paterno out now.
Even if you want to say “he should’ve done more!” Curley and Schultz should’ve done effing anything – and they’re school administrators.
There’s tons of outrage out there in the media right now, but it’s borderline silly. The school could’ve spun this to quiet the media outrage (and burn Curley and Schultz, who were already burnt anyway considering they were indicted) really easy, and instead… they apparently seem to be choosing to try to burn Paterno.
The only reason I can think is that they think making the administration look bad is worse than getting rid of Paterno.
by Bleed Blue 'n White on Nov 8, 2011 3:25 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
PSU's legal team, which is the driving force in much of this,
is the legal system.
Spanier isn’t making decisions alone.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
well you clearly let this go way over yourhead
no the AG didnt cancel it. But the fact of the matter is there was going to be plenty of questions that Paterno cant answer as a key witness in an ongoing legal matter. When I say “cant” I dont mean his mouth wouldnt work as you appear to take everything literally. I mean cant as in the lawyers at PSU wouldnt allow it and for sure he has been advised, as a witness for the prosecution, of what he can and cannot say publically. As a lawyer we tell key witnesses not to say anything to anyone about the case, even their wives/husbands. You dont want the other side getting privileged information. The other side should only get answers to their questions that they ask in a deposition or at trial. Not from reading in a newspaper. Thats how it works.
PSU counsel is not the legal system. I believe that is what I said.
As well as, If Joe Paterno wants to flout a gag order by Spanier’s/PSU’s counsel, or if he even wants to talk over instructions to not talk by the prosecutors, he can.
If you dudes call your personal attorney “the legal system” that’s fine by me.
And further, to suggest that Paterno should not meet the press and simply say, “I can’t talk about that subject, it involves pending criminal charges; and I can’t talk about that subject, because Spanier said we are looking at the largest civil litigation settlement in Pennsylvania since the tobacco settlement,” well, perhaps he should. Because that is the situation. And people should see the situation for what it is.
Of course, like the guy here earlier this morning who literally told me to go fuck myself in the ass, a particularly amazing insult given the context, we can continue to pretend that what has really happened here hasn’t really happened.
We play tackle football.
I'm so glad your our conscience.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
i dont recall you being here before
but your knowledge on this subject is so completely uninformed and off the wall, that this is the type of opinion id expect you to have at this point.
He has come
because we needed a shoulder to cry on.
Which part of "No one can compel Joe Paterno to be silent" do you not understand?
Now, granted, I’m used to being labeled uninformed and off the wall. Why, two days ago, I was saying that the ‘chain of command’ excuse was bullshit, and, well, two days later, I guess it’s not. Two days ago I was saying that in-house policing doesn’t trump criminal reporting, and I was a total asshole. But I guess, well, that it’s probably a good idea to report rape to the police. But I understand here that I completely misunderstand the U.S. justice system, and someone, somewhere, can compel Joe Paterno to shut his trap. Please continue: this is news to me.
We play tackle football.
He does have a boss, a few actually.
If he gives a statement as Penn State’s football coach, that’s an issue. He if gives a statement, he will be fired. I’m not certain that he cares at this point, but that’s the issue.
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I'd like to see this guy Spanier fire Joe Paterno for telling the truth in a press conference.
Of course I understand that there is probably an employment agreement that gives PSU veto authority over press interactions or some such shit on campus.
But I would like to see what happens if Spanier tries to fire Paterno for talking to a reporter on his front porch. That’s amusing, not real.
We play tackle football.
As it sits now,
The University cancelled the presser and the Paterno family is saying that a rescheduled conference off campus is coming. However, Paterno going off the reservation would be putting him conflict with Penn State, and maybe he needs to talk to somebody before he does that.
Works on contingency? No, money down!
Yes, but apparently...
they already are planning to get rid of him.
In which case, it’s Paterno versus the Board of Trustees and Spanier, and Paterno’s taken them head on before.
by Bleed Blue 'n White on Nov 8, 2011 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
Under vastly different circumstances.
Paterno needs to lawyer up hardcore right now.
Works on contingency? No, money down!
I think I saw Ben
said something along the lines that the BOT voted for Joe to resign but he said no thanks. Or did I imagine that?
"I don’t know what he’s done differently, whether he’s eating differently or Sue is making him happier, but he’s definitely a different coach out there" Devon Still
there were reports they were "Planning his exit"
but Scott Paterno said no one has said anything to Joe about it.
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NYT reported that they are planning his exit.
I have not seen anything reported beyond that.
Works on contingency? No, money down!
yeah
from the sources that are reporting it (sources not normally covering penn state) I have to wonder if thats just the normal scuttlebutt we hear every year about “planning his exit”.
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Agreed.
But maybe, at 85 or whatever, he could give a shit about his “employment agreement”, now that Sandusky is in chains. Paterno is a free man, and there’s no free man like the one who can see his own mortality.
We play tackle football.
How long is your right arm?
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
Listen, I am not going to shake my junk, but I am.
You’ll find my name in published appellate court decisions, law review articles, and your mother’s mouth on Saturday evening.
You’re nothing but the run-of-the-mill internet piss-off, whose presence is merely to serve as a quasi-troll, full-on annoyance.
Simply because you have succeeded does not mean you have been accepted.
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by MainLion on Nov 8, 2011 3:58 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
C'mon, men
The lone redeeming value in all the BSD discourse on this awful, awful topic has been that screennames have remained civil.
You both have respected track records.
Any chance I could appeal to you both to return to that? Bellanca, any chance you could scale back the antagonism and return to thought-provoking? MainLion, any chance you could knock off the outright attacks?
Apparently
Joe wants to hold a press conference and clear the air. Apparently, he also kept a record of everything. You didn’t comment yesterday, so I’m assuming you didn’t read the thread in which this topic was exhaustively discussed.
Just in case I’ll fill you in. There are two schools of thought
1)Let the facts come out before we pass judgement.
2)No matter what he didn’t do enough.
You appear to be in the latter. That’s fine. But you’re pretty freaking antagonistic about it. Or maybe I’m more raw with emotion today. Either way the tone of this thread is much different in my opinion than yesterday.
'Why would she have you meet her in a bar at ten in the morning?'
'I just figured she was a raging alcoholic'
I think your beef is with your State Police chief.
He was the one who commented on his incredulity that PSU buried this case in the bureaucracy.
In respect of Paterno holding a press conference, he sounds like the only guy making more than $300K at PSU who’s willing to tell the truth. I wish he would start talking.
We play tackle football.
I have a feeling he will be
sooner rather than later.
"I don’t know what he’s done differently, whether he’s eating differently or Sue is making him happier, but he’s definitely a different coach out there" Devon Still
So do we all
And thats the point here. All of our anger is directed at Sandusky. Then Curley, Shultz, and possibly spanier.
I’m reserving judgement on a man that has an 85 year reputation and resume of doing things the right way. If anyone (outside of Ghandi, Mother Theresa, or Jesus) has earned the benefit of the doubt, its most certainly JoePa.
And if it turns out he messed up, I’ll be crushed that I put my faith in a man that didn’t uphold the promise. And angry. But until then, he deserves the benefit of the doubt
'Why would she have you meet her in a bar at ten in the morning?'
'I just figured she was a raging alcoholic'
by psuphysicist on Nov 8, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions 10 recs
This
" When you cross that Blue Line, you are mine...Across the Blue Line, it's all football. " " And what you need to do in your life is paint Blue Lines everywhere. " - Joe Paterno 2009
by BlueWhiteLife on Nov 8, 2011 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
why an officer with no jursidction
is commenting on anything in this case is beyond me. And why people are listening to it like its gospel is also beyond me. His opinion is as relevant as a cop in Erie or Pittsburgh or Delaware.
I agree with you.
There is, however, a political element at that level. It comes across as political pile jumping to me.
fixed
There is, however, a political element at that level. It comes across as political pile jumping Lauranitising to me
'Why would she have you meet her in a bar at ten in the morning?'
'I just figured she was a raging alcoholic'
by psuphysicist on Nov 8, 2011 3:13 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Well done.
I can’t spell Laurenit …. Larinit……
… pile jumper.
by CvilleLion on Nov 8, 2011 3:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That's good.
The State Police of the Commonwealth of Penna have no truck with matters inside State College. Please continue.
FYI, they do as soon as the Governor says they do.
We play tackle football.
PA has some quaint
jurisdictional nuances.
"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
ok you are changing the discussion
my original comment was in regard to why the press conference was cancelled. my repsoonse was that the legal system silenced him. You then went a bizarre route of taking my phrase “silenced him” literally and said the completly uninformed statement that psu counsel is not part of the legal system.
I will say it slowly this time. The press conference was going to have a lot of questions asked in a public forum. Questions that PSU counsel didnt want him to answer. Questions that Joe likely would be foresaken (prevented, not allowed) from answering by prosecution (big word for lawyer on side opposite the accused, which is a big word for bad guy).
PSU counsel had the ability and authority to shut it down. They likely did. If Joe wants to go out and say whatever in front of his house, PSU counsel cant shut that down, he can say what he wants. They would advise him not to, like I would advise my clients not to, but he can. Its not illegal. Further, he has agreed to cooperate with the prosecution (see definition above (or “up there ^”). As part of this agreement he likely was advised what he could or could not discuss and in what detail. he can still discuss it, but in doing so it may violate terms of the agreement, which could be harmful to Joe depending on what those terms were.
If you need more explanation send me your address, I have a coloring book out in the waiting room that may be able to help you grasp the “legal system”
PSU counsel fits in the legal system "dude"
its counsel. the legal system isnt just a judge. it includes lawyers on both sides. Thats the “system” Its how it works. I dont understand your point on this. Its like telling me baseball is only umpires, it does not involve the teams playing.
I dont know what you are talking about. We are talking about what happened here. Joe’s conference was cancelled. A very major reason is the legal proceedings at hand. Thats what really happened. You have yet to make any sense on this particular subject.
Given the status of this scandal...
Joe commenting could bias the entire country, meaning Sandusky can probably find a loophole to escape prosecution – I dunno, by saying he couldn’t get a fair trial due to the bias created by Joe?, so yeah, the legal system is probably playing a part in this.
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-J.V.Pa.
by psume06 on Nov 8, 2011 1:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Do me a favor.
If your father is still alive, buy him a box of Trojans.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
by MainLion on Nov 8, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Bellanca
isn’t being offensive. He’s actually being complementary of Joe Paterno. At least IMO.
"I don’t know what he’s done differently, whether he’s eating differently or Sue is making him happier, but he’s definitely a different coach out there" Devon Still
by jman07 on Nov 8, 2011 1:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe when he deserves to get banned.
He just said he wasn’t being sarcastic.
Tom Bradley for offensive coordinator.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 8, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
From his previous posting yesterday,
I think we all assumed he was being sarcastic.
Bellanca does have a tendency to get very sarcastic when he's riled up.
But I’ll take that for his typical very reasoned, measured opinions.
Tom Bradley for offensive coordinator.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 8, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not one to separate the wheat from the chaff,
at least in this situation.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
No.
He’s a respected regular over at BHGP and has always been good here. Just because a few people don’t like what he’s saying is no reason to ban him.
I’ve banned one person, and it took him wishing death on me and others to reach that level. No comments are being deleted (okay, there was one yesterday, which vaguely alluded to hbeach08’s identity).
We’re all emotional. 98% are handling themselves with as much respect as can be mustered right now.
by Chris Grovich on Nov 8, 2011 1:19 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Here comes ban #2!
"I don’t know what he’s done differently, whether he’s eating differently or Sue is making him happier, but he’s definitely a different coach out there" Devon Still
Can I call him a smelly pirate hooker?
/this thread needs more Anchorman
"I don’t know what he’s done differently, whether he’s eating differently or Sue is making him happier, but he’s definitely a different coach out there" Devon Still
Disagree
This is Joe. He is not run the university.
With firmness in the right, as God gives us to see the right
- A.Lincoln
No. It sounds like the administration is afraid of what Paterno may say.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
by EREX21 on Nov 8, 2011 12:18 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Considering that Paterno basically told the grand jury that Curley and Schultz were lying, that is certainly a possibility.
by VVeRPennState on Nov 8, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
Plus a million
If you really think about what’s going on now, it sounds a hell of a lot more like Penn State is trying to use the current public outrage to prevent Paterno from burying the University.
If you assume the Grand Jury’s findings are correct, what Curley and Schultz did is so much worse than what Paterno did that it would’ve been easy for Penn State to spin this to protect Paterno and bury Curley.
Easy. I could’ve done it in my sleep. The fact that they’re apparently trying to keep Paterno quiet about it and shuffle him away just makes me really, really uneasy.
by Bleed Blue 'n White on Nov 8, 2011 12:37 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
Where have I heard this before?
nittanyrich Richard Scarcella
by IfJoePaTweeted
Several reports say that the decision was made by #PennState president Graham Spanier and that Paterno wanted to go through with presser.
Of course they were going to cancel the presser. I’m really not surprised by this. I would’ve been surprised if it was actually held.
Luring recruits with my new "Posting HD" scheme since '08.
Then shame on Spanier and the BOT for not anticipating this Sunday night.
It looks like a clusterf**k to do it this way. Still looking for some basic level of competence from the executive level.
by CvilleLion on Nov 8, 2011 1:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
PSU has now committed the ultimate sin in the eyes of the media:
Making their job harder by not providing fresh quotes to write up.
Not sure where the head-hunting can be stopped now; most likely only the resignation of Paterno and the opportunity to fill 1000 words on the sad end will do it.
The fact that Joe is prepared to answer questions about Sandusky
And that Spanier cancelled the presser at the last possible minute, makes Spanier and the University look a whole lot worse. I’d like to believe it makes Joe look a little less bad, but I doubt that’s true. Joe’s going to have to get out in front of the media at some point
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by newenglandnittanylion on Nov 8, 2011 12:07 PM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Local sports reporters would have asked questions about sports eventually.
God dammit I can’t believe how stupid this is.
by Illegal Formation on Nov 8, 2011 12:09 PM EST reply actions
I really feel for those guys. Yes, even Millen.
The defensive players who played for Sandusky, what must they think? Should they have known? They probably would have killed for Sandusky when they played, and they learn this about him? I’m questioning a lot of things that I used to believe about my school and my football team, I can only imagine it’s far more personal for Sandusky (and Paterno’s) former players.
by kijana's acl on Nov 8, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This is where the President of this University
needs to step the F—- up. Take charge of this and take the heat head on.
by Grockcubs on Nov 8, 2011 12:14 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Then you better dig up Atherton,
because this bitch won’t be doing that.
by Illegal Formation on Nov 8, 2011 12:17 PM EST up reply actions 10 recs
My father knew Quentin Wood (former chair of the BOT) well.
Wood brought Bryce Jordan onto an audit committee which my dad headed. Neither of these guys would have let this thing metastasize as it has. Both took ethics and public trust very seriously. We’re presently lacking people of such fiber.
"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
Actually, I think Sandusky has to step up...
…with a mea culpa, take sole responsibility for his sins, and clear the good names of everyone involved with Penn State who isn’t named Spanier, Curley, and Shultz.
There is no way in hell he is innocent of all of these charges. Instead, he is going to plead “not guilty” and drag the Penn State brand and the lives of his victims through the mud in a pathetic attempt to keep himself out of prison.
"Wham! a homma. Wham! Another homma. Wham! Wham! Wham!"
by LowcountryLion on Nov 8, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
He's doing this as a fuck you to Joe, you can be sure.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
by psume06 on Nov 8, 2011 1:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Honestly, I used to love Sandusky. But looking at his mugshot is all I need to know about the man. 40 counts of charges against you and you’re smiling?
"When I put on my uniform, I feel I am the proudest man on earth."
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by blackjackfishtaco on Nov 8, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Way to go Penn State.
Finding new ways to make this worse and worse.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
spanier is covering his own a$$
Only way to explain this. I feel bad for Paterno. I wonder if he has been barred from speaking publicly about the situation by the University yet,
Spanier is trying to cover himself
I think Spanier’s a lot more culpable in this than he’s letting on.
by Bleed Blue 'n White on Nov 8, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Wetzel (Yahoo) and Thamel (NYT) reporting Paterno is out
spanier better walk ahead of him
let's go state
by 424E. on Nov 8, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
So..
The word here in State College is that they were planning on announcing Meyer as the new coach tomorrow, but that is being delayed because of all of this.
I rarely spread this kind of stuff around b/c you never know what to believe. Take it with a huge grain of salt, but the person I talked to seemed quite sure of it and I have no reason not to believe him.
hahahahahahaha
that’s the word, eh? So the HC of a million years is walking out in scandal and they are announcing a total outsider to take over? Mid season? LOL. Tell me about Meyer’s real estate purchases!
by Onestatewest on Nov 8, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
And he wears BLUE TIES WITH WHITE SHIRTS!!!!
"It's not just linebackers. This is Penn State linebackers, man. We're a certain type. We've gotta be aggressive, relentless, focused. Don't talk. Don't talk at all. We don't showboat or anything. We just play hard and get the job done." -Khairi Fortt
Say what you want
I’ve been posting here for years. I’m not a rumor monger. I hear stuff like this all the time and never post it. This one seemed legit.
I'm just joking around
Sorry if I offended you
"It's not just linebackers. This is Penn State linebackers, man. We're a certain type. We've gotta be aggressive, relentless, focused. Don't talk. Don't talk at all. We don't showboat or anything. We just play hard and get the job done." -Khairi Fortt
Ha
No worries. Wasn’t offended. I probably shouldn’t have said anything. This stuff is always fluid anyway.
I can vouch for speedomike
He isn’t the type to run off at the mouth.
I know this sounds absurd, but some “sources” I have down here told me months ago that Meyer was “very close” to becoming the next HC at PSU.
When in doubt, punt!
- John Heisman
by carolinaeasy on Nov 8, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
Well, there was all that talk earlier this season...
…including the slip of the tongue about the the QBs during the Iowa game.
This might be the only way to salvage the reputation of the football program.
"Wham! a homma. Wham! Another homma. Wham! Wham! Wham!"
by LowcountryLion on Nov 8, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
I'm just passing it along
What I was told is that it was decided before the scandal broke and now they’re delaying it. Again, I have no reason not to believe this person. Feel free to not believe, I figured it would get this kind of reaction.
question is
does Urban still want it knowing the scum of Spanier (if Spanier stays)?
I think it would be perfect for Urban to define his legacy. Take over a once proud university at its lowest point in history and restore it
http://twitter.com/tmaluchnik
Maybe
But a lot of people were suggesting that Al Golden should run for the nearest exit when the U’s scandal broke … and he was already there! It may be a tough sell to find a credible replacement.
by kijana's acl on Nov 8, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
It is a little different situation with Golden at Miami.
Miami knew the scandal was coming, but Golden didn’t know about it until after he was hired. Meyer would know what he was getting himself into before signing with Penn State.
by VVeRPennState on Nov 8, 2011 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
My point is
that is makes ZERO sense for it to happen right now. If you are Urban Meyer, do you want to get announced during this sh*t storm? I’m not saying you didn’t hear it or that you feel it is believable, I am saying it makes no sense. That’s not how outside coaches are hired and that is certainly not how the #1 coaching prospect in the country is going to step in to a job. Not saying it couldn’t happen eventually, just saying it won’t happen before the end of the season. You can take that to your local financial institution.
Buy low, sell high
I don’t buy it, but he can only be the hero if he comes in now.
by kijana's acl on Nov 8, 2011 1:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If by "buy low"
you mean come in during a toxic tire fire, yes. However, why buy now when the price is crashing? Wait it out, the floor is a few levels down.
If they force Joe out
which it seems like is going to happen in the near future, you can believe this will get much dirtier.
"I don’t know what he’s done differently, whether he’s eating differently or Sue is making him happier, but he’s definitely a different coach out there" Devon Still
Right
Which is why I said it was supposed to happen tomorrow, before this whole mess. And now it’s being delayed. SUPPOSEDLY.
BS
Like Meyer would want to come to Penn State now.
It *is* the ultimate "buy low" moment...
by Chris Grovich on Nov 8, 2011 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
Couldn't go lower.
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Perhaps if Beaver Stadium was "owned" by a bankruptcy trustee.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
Seriously
guide a major program through difficult times and repair the Grand Experiment? If he wins a MNC or two while here, his statue would be right next to Joes.
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exactly
it’s a win-win, because Meyer is seen as a moral, Christian guy by much of the country—and this would be the kind of guy who could turn this situation around.
But, from all accounts he and Joe have become friends—do you think this would really happen if the University is attempting to vilify Joe?
Fire Dan Snyder
Sorry
I think if this happens it is bullshit. We will argue the moral point of this to death.
Joe could of done more agreed. He should finish the season then move on.
by Grockcubs on Nov 8, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Are the trustees using this as a way to get Joe out? The two persons that gave the story to the Times were probably trustees. Nobody else would have access to that kind of information.
Paterno has not been charged in the matter, but his failure to report to authorities what he knew about the 2002 incident, in which Sandusky allegedly sexually assaulted a young boy at Penn State’s football complex, has become a flashpoint, stirring anger among the board members and an outpouring of public criticism about his handling of the matter.
In recent days Paterno has lost the support of many board members, and their conversations illustrate a decisive shift in the power structure at the university. In 2004, for instance, Paterno brushed off a request by the university president that he step down
Beat the Hell out of Nebraska!!
That's a good point
Right now there’s some public criticism of Joe, even though from the administration’s point of view it’s entirely undeserved.
They’ve wanted Joe gone for a while, so they’re just taking the opportunity. Wow, that makes me feel awful.
by Bleed Blue 'n White on Nov 8, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It is awful.
But it shouldn’t be surprising. Which is what is really awful.
Tom Bradley for offensive coordinator.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 8, 2011 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
This is not what's happening.
Works on contingency? No, money down!
by jesse. on Nov 8, 2011 1:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
exactly
aside from the obvious specifics of the case, this is my big problem with it all.
And I had to add the aside, because apparently having said it many times over the last few days isn’t enough—someone will come on these boards and say “NO, NC, THE WORST IS WHAT HAPPENED TO THE KIDS!”
Yes, I know that. Nothing can change that. We can change how we react to that. Vilifying a man who has done nothing legally wrong and who, since we don’t know all the facts yet, we don’t know definitively has done anything morally wrong either is pretty bad. That’s pretty immoral in itself.
Fire Dan Snyder
I wonder
if these are the same blue-ribbon sources that David Jones has been quoting for years about Joe’s imminent departure?
by Tailgate Shogun on Nov 8, 2011 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
Well, sort of.
He said there were no conversations WITH Joe.
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#OccupyESPN
I am preferring to call it like it is, please
This is ALL on Spanier at this point. When have we ever known Coach to voluntarily cancel a presser. His asscheecks must have clenched so tightly at the very thought of Joe answering non-football questions. FIRE Spanier TODAY, for the love of my university.
by PghNittany on Nov 8, 2011 12:23 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
I can not wait to hear
Paterno speak about all of this, un-muzzled.
by FB6244 on Nov 8, 2011 1:19 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
It's possible he has the chance to take down the entire university.
That’s not hyperbole.
You without me is like Harold Melvin without the Blue Notes . . . you'll never go platinum.
#OccupyESPN
Sometimes you need to burn it to the ground to eradicate all problems.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
It could, but I just want to know the truth about what he knows.
If it brings down many members of the university, so be it. I am still, and always will be proud, and can’t wait to get tickets to my two games next year.
My last shred of wait-and-see on Spanier is now gone.
He is truly spineless.
"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
Spanier is hiding something
I rarely comment on anything. But why in the world would he silence Joe?!? There is more going on here than we know. I wouldn’t be surrpised if Joe takes it upon himself to speak!
by Buzz05 on Nov 8, 2011 12:25 PM EST reply actions 7 recs
+1
He reeks way more than Joe at this point. 10000x more.
+1
You without me is like Harold Melvin without the Blue Notes . . . you'll never go platinum.
#OccupyESPN
by Adam Collyer on Nov 8, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
+1000
Spanier had better be fired by the BOT on Friday, if he doesn’t tender his resignation before then.
Let's Go State!
NY Times
So now they’re reporting rumors of joe’s exit….great
Sweet jesus what is going on in State College...
I just got back from a morning with young children eager to learn about science. And now there’s this? WHAT THE HELL!
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Always remember a famous maxim:
“Never attribute to malice what is most likely the result of stupidity.”
In Higher Education there is a pervasive belief that the best way to handle a situation is to go turtle and say nothing….eventually they’ll go away. Higher Education institutions, regardless of level, do not know how to handle these kinds of situations like the corporate world does. They don’t get PR too well. They don’t know how to get out ahead of a story.
"Illegitimus non Carborundum!" (Don't let the bastards wear you down)
by RWReese on Nov 8, 2011 12:33 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Mainly because they're functionally immortal
Ask most people in Student Life-type departments, and you’ll hear the same thing whenever students complain. “Whatever, they’ll be gone in a few years, and we’ll still be here.”
Good point.
by Bleed Blue 'n White on Nov 8, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
Possibly carrying a boom box
over his head, playing ‘Sweet Caroline’ to pacify the media wolves at the door?
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by Tailgate Shogun on Nov 8, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions 11 recs
Do you mean our former corporate partners?
Works on contingency? No, money down!
by jesse. on Nov 8, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
We do aim to please
Seems a little to soon for jokes, but jokes about Guido always get a laugh around these parts.
by Tailgate Shogun on Nov 8, 2011 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks, TS.
Well played.
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by Pete the Streak on Nov 8, 2011 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
If Spanier is trying to silence Joe
and the BOT is trying to push Joe out to protect the university in the upcoming trial, I really hope Joe invites the press to his house to air it all out.
Luring recruits with my new "Posting HD" scheme since '08.
by 06Lion on Nov 8, 2011 12:33 PM EST reply actions 8 recs
This
I know legally it would be a nightmare, BUT I would love to see Joe holding court on his front lawn addressing everything.
I am a Penn State Nittany Lion, and I played for the legendary Joe Paterno, and more importantly, I am a man because of it. - Lavar Arrington
That reeks of what happened with Tressel.
JoePa is much classier than that.
"No I'm not going to 'limber up'. You ever see a lion stretching before it takes down a gazelle?"
This ALREADY reeks of what happened to Tressel
Tressel was going to be heavily sanctioned by the University. He was out no matter what. Then the University placated him by having him retire instead of resign, which makes it sound like Tressel wasn’t really at fault entirely.
Paterno isn’t in trouble legally, and administratively he did what he was supposed to. The fact that he’s being scooted out sounds like He Knows Too Much.
by Bleed Blue 'n White on Nov 8, 2011 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
Plus
The press would get treated to some of Sue’s sugar cookies.
Luring recruits with my new "Posting HD" scheme since '08.
by 06Lion on Nov 8, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No way
She’s got to go all-in with lasagna for this one.
With firmness in the right, as God gives us to see the right
- A.Lincoln
by SarcasmJam on Nov 8, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
...doing sit-ups without his shirt on.
sorry I enjoy a good T.O. joke.
"a Pride of Lions that is Penn State football. All of us - players, coaches, students, alumni & fans - are in the Pride. And once in, you never get out." - Jay Paterno
Scott Paterno
looks like he could stand a sit-up or two.
"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
That was my thoughts...
if Joe is being silenced, he can redeem himself to a degree by coming clean about what he knows.
When in doubt, punt!
- John Heisman
by carolinaeasy on Nov 8, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
+1. Time for Joe to speak.
You without me is like Harold Melvin without the Blue Notes . . . you'll never go platinum.
#OccupyESPN
by Adam Collyer on Nov 8, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yea, agreed.
Step down if you must, but I think he needs to be heard. Don’t sign any sort of confidentiality agreement. His side needs to be told.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Nov 8, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
Absolutely.
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#OccupyESPN
by Adam Collyer on Nov 8, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
What if
Joe telling his side of the story now would help the real monster at his trial?
No way we want that. Pretty sure Joe wants to see him fry too.
With firmness in the right, as God gives us to see the right
- A.Lincoln
by SarcasmJam on Nov 8, 2011 1:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
PR-Wise
I’m all for stringing Spanier and Curley from the nearest lightpole, but… There isn’t really a PR playbook for “serial child molester used your facilities for a decade-plus.”
With great sadness
I feel such a great loss on so many levels.
I don't think the "dark years"
now applies to some period from 2000-2005
let's go state
by 424E. on Nov 8, 2011 12:37 PM EST reply actions 7 recs
Well 2005 didn't count to begin with
but I agree with your point.
by kijana's acl on Nov 8, 2011 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
Years from now
When we are all old and grey we will look back on this day and realize this is the day that Penn State football died.
Joe will be lucky
to make it to Saturday. The mob is out to get him. I never thought I would see a day like today at Penn State…
I am literally on the verge of tears
I can’t believe something I love and cherish so much is crumbling like this. I can’t image what it’s like to be a player right now. A week ago, they were on top of the world, now their lives will never be the same.
by whiteoutonly on Nov 8, 2011 12:43 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
From Wetzel's skewering of Spanier:
“Penn State is desperate for a leader, desperate for some stability, desperate for an adult to stand up tall like the school always thought it would and Spanier is somewhere under a desk, hiding.”
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=dw-wetzel_penn_state_spanier_silent110711
by TheWrathofQBEagles on Nov 8, 2011 12:47 PM EST reply actions
I gotta say I feel for you guys
And all of the innocent people associated with PSU, not just athletics & football, but the university as a whole.
Obviously, something like what Sandusky did can happen anywhere – there are pedophiles in every walk of life, and like how “the devil walks among us,” people who commit these acts can often be the last person anybody would suspect.
But the worst part about it, to me at least, is that there are at least rumors (that have seem to have some legs) that higher ups in the athletic department & the university as a whole worked to cover up what Sandusky was doing. And to me, it’s even more despicable because it apparently allowed him to continue doing what he did, namely, ruining the lives of innocent kids who saw him as a father figure they otherwise didn’t have.
Again, I really feel for everybody affiliated with PSU (other than those who had knowledge of this, but didn’t act on that knowledge). Even though I’m a Spartan alum & die-hard fan, and was sick of getting our asses whupped by you in the final game of the season, I would much rather see the Land Grant Trophy have permanent home in Happy Valley, then know that a great midwestern, B1G university willfully turned a blind eye to what Sandusky was doing.
by MSUDersh on Nov 8, 2011 12:47 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
I dont think anyone in PSU
wants or cares about the Land Grant Trophy. Should be burned for all we care
http://twitter.com/tmaluchnik
Fair enough
I guess what I was getting at is, this is not the manner in which I want my univerisity to pass PSU in the conference on field pecking order.
Passing tOSU bc Tressel was a dirty cheat to keep players he knew ineligible on the field? I’m fine with that. But it breaks my heart to see this go down at your school.
Thanks
It’s actually nice to read something like that from an outsider.
by kijana's acl on Nov 8, 2011 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
Is anyone in State College and witnessing any of this?
Anyone on SBN Mobile that can fill us in on the scene? What is the atmosphere? Anyone near Beaver Stadium or Lasch? Anyone friends with a player (to remain anonymous) that can share their feelings?
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If they remove Joe involuntarily before season's end,
I’ll be running a pickup truck with open bed space for people with torches, pitch forks, and so from PHL to Old Main.
BYO Mango Rum.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
by MainLion on Nov 8, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions 9 recs
Me thinks
you would not be alone. I truly hope that Paterno is still the coach of this team come saturday and there is an outpouring of support for him at the game. He deserves better than this as far as I am concerned with what has been presented as fact.
by irz813 on Nov 8, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'll be there
at least let the man finish this season. I just said to a buddy of mine in a text, “if they chase Joe out this week, I’m not sure I’ll watch anything else Penn State related this year.”
I’m more disgusted now than I was at any point in this.
"I don’t know what he’s done differently, whether he’s eating differently or Sue is making him happier, but he’s definitely a different coach out there" Devon Still
I call shotgun
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by LegalLion on Nov 8, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I will fly up there
to ride in your pickup truck.
No matter what you think about the current situation, support the players, they deserve our respect.
Follow @Paige2PSU
You can count me in.
Man I feel for the players on the team right now. How do they come out on Saturday and do anything well?
The same way they did all season.
They play for the team. MM mentioned it, the defense has praised it. The same group we will cheer on.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
by MainLion on Nov 8, 2011 1:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Agree 100%
That has been my feeling…how is this impacting these kids on the team (and current students)? They have busted their behinds are are 8-1 entering the 3 biggest games of the year.
What about the seniors? 4 years of year round dedication to the program, goals and representing the blue & white. They don’t deserve to go out like this.
These kids both (athletes & non athletes) need 110% support from the largest alumni association to show them what Penn State is and who WE ARE.
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by double_e33 on Nov 8, 2011 2:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Is it cool if I bring some Jack too?
Mango Rum just isnt for me.
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I love the whiskey like him
But I ain’t no ginger.
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I'll be there
Can we make a stop by Spanier’s house?
'Why would she have you meet her in a bar at ten in the morning?'
'I just figured she was a raging alcoholic'
I'm there.
That would be infinitely better than an “occupy” arrest.
by CvilleLion on Nov 8, 2011 2:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I just want to throw up
And I have since Saturday. I get that a house cleaning needs to take place, but not like this. Let Joe have his press conference, talk about whatever he wants for as long as he wants, and then announce that the bowl game will be the last game he ever coaches. No terse legal driven statements, no leaks from trustees, just Joe apologizing and taking his leave. I don’t care how bad this is, 60 years of good have earned him that right.
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by LegalLion on Nov 8, 2011 12:56 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
The BOT couldn't have anticipated this on Sunday night?
If Joe goes and Spanier survives, I’ll be pissed.
That'll be grotesque.
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by Adam Collyer on Nov 8, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
There is no way Spanier survives this
His career in higher education is over.
I am a Penn State Nittany Lion, and I played for the legendary Joe Paterno, and more importantly, I am a man because of it. - Lavar Arrington
I was supportive of Spanier,
up until this moment (well, the moment he canceled the press conference).
No matter what you think about the current situation, support the players, they deserve our respect.
Follow @Paige2PSU
by Paige2PSU on Nov 8, 2011 1:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Im not saying...
We should bash ANYONE….especially McQueary. I am just saying…there are so many other things that went wrong / could have been done differently, that would have prevented the mass hysteria that is surrounding Joe Paterno, like he is somehow the worst person in all of this.
this is the worst thing in all of this
well, except for the MAIN THING. That most media outlets seem to forgetting.
Fire Dan Snyder
Just sickening
Think about it. If Mcqueary stops the act while its happening, we arent talking about this. If he calls the the police when he sees what he does, we arent talking about this. If his dad calls the police, we arent talking about this. If Curley and Shultz do what they should have done, we arent talking about this. And yet….lets string up Paterno like he is a terrible person and the cause of all of this.
by RitterPSU on Nov 8, 2011 12:57 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
easier said than done in that situation
Hell, the Janitor that saw this almost had a heart attack, if he wouldve called the police them McQueary wouldve never saw Sandusky
http://twitter.com/tmaluchnik
I heard that that janitor now has severe mental issues.
Like “Old Mike” said in his FanPost, everyone has 20-20 hindsight and can pretend to be a big man in a past hypothetical situation. If push came to shove, how many could actually do everything they were SUPPOSED to do?
I’m not condoning anyone’s inaction. But don’t be so quick to say everyone should have done more, or that some haven’t been punished already. Can you imagine 1) seeing what MM saw, and 2) going to work for 9 years and seeing JS around?
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by Jeff Junstrom on Nov 8, 2011 1:01 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
You hit on my main thought on the entire situation. Outsiders are looking at this situation as if they would have prevented Sandusky if they walked in on him. People don’t take into account the emotions they will feel upon seeing the unexpected. McQueary was probably (realistically) too shocked in that moment. I hope in retrospect he would love to get another shot at handling the situation and call the police, stop Sandusky, something. But for those that thing they would have handled it differently are extremely naive on human emotions.
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by blackjackfishtaco on Nov 8, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I think this is an important point.
Most people fall apart and shut down cognitively when faced with something like that.
We play tackle football.
by Bellanca on Nov 8, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Agreed. The brain is a strange thing.
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Statistically, 'eyewitnesses' to disasters such as airplane crashes
are very, very inaccurate: below 50%. I imagine Sandusky’s lawyer will have an expert witness on this subject.
We play tackle football.
Absolutely. It's one of the more bizarre things ever.
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I mentioned this many times yesterday
We all know how we HOPE we would act when faced with a tragedy but, really, only a small portion of people are actually able to jump to action.
"I don’t know what he’s done differently, whether he’s eating differently or Sue is making him happier, but he’s definitely a different coach out there" Devon Still
by jman07 on Nov 8, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Wow this general thinking saddens and sickens me to no end...
As a father and a veteran I know damn well what my actions would have been.
Now while I don’t expect anyone else in here to live up to either of those two insanely lofty credentials I just mentioned (which two of them were covered by those witnesses), I believe that three grown ass men / human fucking beings should have been able to jump into action and pull a 58 year old man off of a 10 year old boy.
This wasn’t an airplane crash or a tragedy… It was a crime in progress. Let’s look at this for what it really was and stop psychoanalyzing for 3 minutes out of respect for the victim(s). Total cowardice, bullshit AND he walks the sidelines every Saturday amongst MEN.
I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member
by TheMightyErik on Nov 9, 2011 9:04 AM EST up reply actions
so you know, jman and others...
this was not an attack on anyone within this thread but I didn’t know where to put it… I am unbelievably pissed and just want you to know I don’t hold any of you accountable only the witnesses cowards who let this happen
I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member
by TheMightyErik on Nov 9, 2011 9:07 AM EST up reply actions
When faced with tense situation your memory tends to not work right
A few months ago I was riding my bike across a crosswalk with the walk-man when a car turning right almost hit me and honked at me. I said F-you and the the driver picked up a gun from his lap and pointed it at me. Luckily he speed away. I was in a state of shock, it was the most surreal situation of my life.
Basically my point is I could barely piece together what happen 30 seconds after it happened. I am assuming MM may have felt the same way.
I had an experience once that changed my entire life, and that of other people.
I didn’t understand what had happened for two weeks.
Our consciousness is a star. Our brain is the universe. We really don’t know what we think we know, often.
We play tackle football.
A case of literally not believing your eyes is perfectly plausible.
"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
Ok I get the point that at the time he saw it
He is too shocked to do anything, but what about this 9 years seeing Sandusky around and not doing anything?
McQueary saw exactly what was happening and for 9 years, he knows what this monster did to a little boy and he still doesn’t say anything? Come on, this unbelieveable.
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I LOVE IT! I LOVE IT! I LOVE IT! - Jim Zabel
by Bloodpunch's Barbasol on Nov 8, 2011 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah this is the thing that is hardest to make sense of.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
Ok, the point still stands.
McQueary saw the incident happen, and for 6 years he saw the fucking monster around the Football complex, probably even talked with him and he knows that nothing has happened to him. He doesn’t come forward again and ask, “What the fuck? this animal is still around after what I saw him do?”
Not only McQueary but JoePa as well. It is a sad, sad, day that no one was looking out for these innocent boys like they were for the reputation of JoePa, McQueary, and Sandusky.
TOUCHDOWN IOWA! TOUCHDOWN IOWA! - Gary Dolphin
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by Bloodpunch's Barbasol on Nov 8, 2011 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
I have an idea.
When you want to make this argument again, type:
Id.
We’ll know what you mean.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
I figured I had to make the argument again since Ben16 didn't seem to get my point the first time.
but thanks for the helpful hint
TOUCHDOWN IOWA! TOUCHDOWN IOWA! - Gary Dolphin
I LOVE IT! I LOVE IT! I LOVE IT! - Jim Zabel
by Bloodpunch's Barbasol on Nov 8, 2011 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
This makes a lot of sense to me:
@RamseyPoston
Three basic steps to managing #crisis: 1. Say it all; 2. Say it first; 3. Say it yourself #Pennstate #Paterno #Cain
I had to manage a PR crisis once
And this was exactly what we did. Nothing this bad, but it was something that in it’s context, would have gotten a lot of negative press. It’s the only way of dealing with it honorably, and at the same time, managing it. And it worked—there was coverage, but no where near the tone or extent that there would have been had we stonewalled, denied, or prevaricated.
I’ve never understood why more folks don’t understand that. I found out several years later that it was used as a case study in a PR class at a local college. I understand that this is complicated by the legal issues (my case was purely “moral”), but still—this is as bad, or worse, than the way OSU handled their crap.
Yep.
This. A thousand times. Tougher when criminal charges are part of the problem, but still. Hiding behind closed doors is not exactly the approach to take right now.
by Tailgate Shogun on Nov 8, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not going to bash McQueary
I have no idea what I would have done in that situation.
by speedomike on Nov 8, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You're missing the worst part of all of this
Because now, in the future, someone might think “I need to pretend I didn’t see this, because if the University tries to bury it and I report it, I’ll get fired.”
by Bleed Blue 'n White on Nov 8, 2011 1:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
this is a problem that could happen if Joe is forced out.
And to me if Joe is forced out it reaks of retribution because his testimony is what implicated Curley and Schultz and backed up MM. His testimony also throws a very poor light on Spanier.
My grammer skills need improved.
I didn't think of that, but you are right
shouldn’t the goal of Penn State as a university be to make sure this type of thing never happens again? And, as much as it sucks that it has to be us, set a benchmark for other universities, to make sure it doesn’t happen there?
This whole scandal is unfortunate, and sad. But if even a little good can come from it—if universities and people can come away learning how to prevent events like this, and take care of our children—we will at least have something. That’s my ultimate hope for this situation.
Penn State has been a leader in so many other things, and I wish we weren’t going to be a leader in this. But I would like to see us step up and pave a way for change.
Fire Dan Snyder
by Cari Greene on Nov 8, 2011 8:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Missing the worst part?
the worst part is how many innocent young boys have been injured mentally and physically because no one, that knew of this, had the god damn balls to step forward.
this all could have been avoided if anyone would have come forward, but oh we can’t do that because we might lose our job at a place that condones pedophilia by their silence.
I honestly can’t figure out how anyone can make excuses for anyone that is involved with this, no matter how small.
TOUCHDOWN IOWA! TOUCHDOWN IOWA! - Gary Dolphin
I LOVE IT! I LOVE IT! I LOVE IT! - Jim Zabel
by Bloodpunch's Barbasol on Nov 8, 2011 9:37 PM EST up reply actions
Why don't you go back to BGHP now.
Although it doesn’t compare by far, I didn’t go over there and ask why your coaches hospitalized so many young men earlier this year.
No matter what you think about the current situation, support the players, they deserve our respect.
Follow @Paige2PSU
by Paige2PSU on Nov 8, 2011 9:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You say it doesn't compare by far but yet compare it, sorry but that is ridiculous.
by clay-born to party on Nov 8, 2011 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
Fine.
Why didn’t your Trustees act sooner on the rape scandal? How many sexual assaults could have been prevented? How many more occurred between the initial reports and the actual investigation?
I like most Iowa fans. But a few of you—cockroaches, man.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
This was what, my second comment on here?
I just think to even suggest in the same sentence similarities between what Sandusky did along with a cover up vs. an accidental overworking of the players is asinine.
by clay-born to party on Nov 8, 2011 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not comparing the events,
I’m comparing my behavior with yours and other BHGP people who have come over here to comment.
No matter what you think about the current situation, support the players, they deserve our respect.
Follow @Paige2PSU
You are right.
They need to be held accountable to. I wish they would give out the reasons why they thought that workout was appropriate. I wish there would have been someone watching out for those players just like I wish there was some one watching out for the 10 year old boys in the shower with an older man.
TOUCHDOWN IOWA! TOUCHDOWN IOWA! - Gary Dolphin
I LOVE IT! I LOVE IT! I LOVE IT! - Jim Zabel
by Bloodpunch's Barbasol on Nov 8, 2011 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
I agree.
My point is that I didn’t go over the BHGP and ask why there wasn’t more accountability.
No matter what you think about the current situation, support the players, they deserve our respect.
Follow @Paige2PSU
And on some bizarro level Sandusky ends up getting revenge...
For not being named Joe’s successor.
I suck 'em down like Coca-Cola.
Couldn't JoePa call his own damn PC...
…on his front lawn?
"Wham! a homma. Wham! Another homma. Wham! Wham! Wham!"
You can't invite a large group just to
tell them to get off your damn lawn, though.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
by MainLion on Nov 8, 2011 1:02 PM EST up reply actions 9 recs
Maybe he could show them the little doll in the noose on his front door.
The one that looks like Spanier.
LOL!
Thanks!
No matter what you think about the current situation, support the players, they deserve our respect.
Follow @Paige2PSU
YES!
would be just like when Terrell Owens had his press conference in his driveway, then answered no questions and did a bunch of sit-ups.
by Tailgate Shogun on Nov 8, 2011 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
That's it!!!
Thanks for the comedy tip-in, Tailgate. (You still have to keep a sense of humor.)
JoePa needs to wave at press, tell them to “follow me back to my house”, and conduct a shirtless press conference where he will spill the beans about the situation while doing crunches.
"Wham! a homma. Wham! Another homma. Wham! Wham! Wham!"
by LowcountryLion on Nov 8, 2011 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
and Sue serves cookies
"Rabble rabble rabble; fire Joe; snarky meme; rude nickname; rabble rabble rabble
Dont hate me for saying this
but jw…is it just me or is it sickeningly ironic that they waited for win 409 until this story broke?
It's quite a coincidence....
but “they” didn’t have anything to do with when it broke
I thought that too
Waited until after 409, and released it on a Friday afternoon, on a PSU bye week.
It’s one thing if the school chooses to release negative info in this light (it is a common tactic among businesses to drop bad news late on a Friday), but for the authorities to come out in such a manner?
Seems like too much of a coincidence to me.
They probably could have waited a week or two
or brought it out a week or two earlier. Their choice of days could not be coincidence.
Fire Dan Snyder
I think waiting for the off week was intentional
I think 409 was a lucky break.
Works on contingency? No, money down!
today is election day
"Rabble rabble rabble; fire Joe; snarky meme; rude nickname; rabble rabble rabble
If Spanier really did give the call to cancel the presser
He has successfully found one of the few ways to make this situation even worse.
What. The. Fuck.
by Peter Gray on Nov 8, 2011 1:04 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
i think we can agree
Spanier’s handling of this ever since his “complete support of schultz and curley” has been just god awful
let's go state
F-I-R-E-D.
FIRED.
You without me is like Harold Melvin without the Blue Notes . . . you'll never go platinum.
#OccupyESPN
Spanier
His handling of this situation ever since he heard about it in 2002 and gave his blessing to doing nothing about it has been abominable.
Let's Go State!
by Gopher Broke on Nov 8, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Has anybody considered what happens if Joe Paterno
coaches the team next week in Columbus? It will be a god-dammed lynch mob.
Works on contingency? No, money down!
Maybe someone can be Bill Hollenback and punch a Buckeye in the face.
Tom Bradley for offensive coordinator.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 8, 2011 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think
the lynch mob will be a Columbus issue. The national media will be following this like deadheads in RVs for the next several weeks. The feeding frenzy has just begun.
I believe that.
I believe, too, that the BoT will discuss canceling the balance of the season, if they haven’t already.
We play tackle football.
Call me when you grow an arm from your forehead.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
He's being very reasonable
as per our fearless leaders
Query #2.
Do you have any ideas? Or just insulting retorts?
You don’t think there will be 1000 people (advocates for abused children) screaming at your coach every place he goes to play a stupid football game? Get real. How many armed men will be required to get a frail 85 year-old inside a football stadium? Do you think it’s a good idea for PSU to have armed escorts at football games in order to repel child abuse opponents?
We play tackle football.
Dude, what are you talking about?
That’s such a ridiculous stretch.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
You deserve insulting retorts.
Your premise is to cancel the season because 1,000 people will scream at Joe?
Shit. If that’s the case, we should cancel every away game period.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
by MainLion on Nov 8, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
You are being absolutely ridiculous now.
Please stop.
by TheWrathofQBEagles on Nov 8, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
and theres the problem
that you think joe even needs armed guards is absurd. The idea that anyone is so angry at Joe for doing what he could at the time they would physically attack him. I mean, if theyd do that to Joe, what would they do to Curley, or Sandusky?
Joe did not abuse anyone. Joe did not enable as far as the GJ report and the AG are concerned. I know its getting lost in all the commentary, and as much as some people wish he did so they can justify their anger toward him in this debate, he didnt. Jerry Sandusky did. Joe is guilty of not doing enough, which is the most nonsensical “crime” ive ever heard of. Every single person in this thread can think of at least one instance that, if they could do it all over again, would do something differently. He committed no crime and covered nothing up.
But yea, armed guards. Sure.
by swiggy04 on Nov 8, 2011 4:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Okay. Let's just see what happens.
I’m happy to be proven wrong by events. And will admit it here if I am.
They’re protesting in Penna right now. Think it’s going to be better out of state?
We play tackle football.
I'm not sure if I like the guy
(Bellanca, that is, not JoePa) or how he’s apparently trying to stir up emotions & replies with his asinine comments, but he does have somewhat of a valid point.
Child sex abuse is a huge problem in the world, and it is an extremely emotional issue. While those of use who are B1G fans, and you PSU alum & fans, may realize that JoePa had nothing to do with the crime here, there are huge segments of irrational people out there who may learn of this case & decide that Paterno = the face of deviant sexual behavior towards children.
I’m not saying that someone will try to shoot down Paterno a la Ruby shooting Oswald, but I think it’s entirely within the realm of possibility that someone may try to assault the coach by getting close to him & throwing something at him. And he is in his mid-80’s, so a piece of fruit to his face or chest could actually result in some real damage.
how joe paterno can be the face
of deviant sexual behavior towards children when he isnt even the one who COMMITTED deviant sexual behavior towards children. This is why any discussion on Joe Paterno misallocates the discussion from what it should be, to what people who dislike him or sell papers want it to be.
I gree that JoePa shouldn't be the face
But I’m not a crazy issue-monger who wants to take a very public stance on issues that everyobdy agreees are negative (like deviant sexual behavior towards children) and scream as loud as I can about it.
If I was that type of person, I’d be downtown occupying Grant Park right now, instead of on here.
Per Scott Paterno
They are trying to set up an off-campus PC for Joe
I suck 'em down like Coca-Cola.
That will happen shortly after he's not the coach anymore.
He going to resign.
Works on contingency? No, money down!
Dear Lord,
Assuming Joe’s actions and knowledge truly only is tied to 2002, then let him light up Old Main.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
Oh excellent.
This is about to collapse.
You without me is like Harold Melvin without the Blue Notes . . . you'll never go platinum.
#OccupyESPN
I don't think I've ever wanted to hear a man speak more in my life.
This is hands down the most insane thing I have ever experienced. I just want to hear Joe speak. We’ve trusted this man to do what’s right, I don’t care if he loses his job and/or takes the whole administration down with him.
I'm a huge Lions fan
And as much as I cannot stand Millen for what he did to that football team, after sitting here watching him this morning on ESPN, I do now have respect for him.
It’s got to be incredibly difficult for him to get up there, wear his emotions on his sleeve, and be so candid talking about what’s happening at the school he loves, and the actions committed by Sandusky, his coach at PSU & one of the closest people to him. I think it would have been very easy & understandable to not have him on ESPN this morning.
NP
and given what’s been going on at your school since Friday, I can understand being short, esp with outsiders on this blog.
And yeah, Big Play CJ was a great pick. Too bad MM’s success rate was so low.
I think he was just kidding around.
I don’t think he was being short with you.
No matter what you think about the current situation, support the players, they deserve our respect.
Follow @Paige2PSU
No the person interviewing him is crying.
WTF is happening here.
Works on contingency? No, money down!
Joe Posnaski
has been living in State College for awhile now writing the book
http://twitter.com/tmaluchnik
If Joe Paterno wants to save his legacy.
He needs to tell his side of the story and quick. He can’t do that if he is still the head coach at Penn State. He is going to resign, my guess is after the UNL game.
Works on contingency? No, money down!
I have it on authority
That Joe has documented everything he’s been told and told people for a while now. If he publishes this, it will not be good for Spanier and some others.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
by OctaShields on Nov 8, 2011 1:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Joe is no dummy. This wouldn't shock me at all.
"I don’t know what he’s done differently, whether he’s eating differently or Sue is making him happier, but he’s definitely a different coach out there" Devon Still
Don't be surprised if he has a journal in hand
when answering questions. Word is he referred to his notes when testifying before the GJ.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
wow, really?
this may also play into the fact that the man is 84. He probably wants to make sure everything is known, even if he isn’t around to make it known.
Fire Dan Snyder
I hope this is true
" When you cross that Blue Line, you are mine...Across the Blue Line, it's all football. " " And what you need to do in your life is paint Blue Lines everywhere. " - Joe Paterno 2009
by BlueWhiteLife on Nov 8, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
Can Spanier really believe
That he’ll be left standing after all is said and done?
I suck 'em down like Coca-Cola.
No, they'll all be gone.
All that remains is the order in which they’re gone and how ugly it gets on their way out.
by Chris Grovich on Nov 8, 2011 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
Back in '69 we occupied Old Main for a few hours
Maybe we should do it again?
I'm not rationalizing - I'm being totally irrational
You bring Mango Rum, and we'll be there for months.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
my sister was there
My grammer skills need improved.
by BMAN13 on Nov 8, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
She sounds hot.
With firmness in the right, as God gives us to see the right
- A.Lincoln
by SarcasmJam on Nov 8, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Curley, Schultz and Sandusky get due process
Paterno gets the mob.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
Can you say scapegoat?
I'm not rationalizing - I'm being totally irrational
by GoodOleDays on Nov 8, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Please.
Paterno received praise for things he actually did.
Tom Bradley for offensive coordinator.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 8, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
Again, thank God the American legal system doesn’t try to hold people accountable for the sins of others.
Tom Bradley for offensive coordinator.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 8, 2011 1:27 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Look.
He made a weak decision in a difficult situation. That’s it, and that’s all. For now.
Works on contingency? No, money down!
by jesse. on Nov 8, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Unless and until you are in that or a similar situation,
you are not fit to judge.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
by MainLion on Nov 8, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You witnessed your mentor and boss
committing a heinous act on a child at your place of employ?
Or you were told, in debatable terms, that something terrible occurred, and you referred it up but not out after some deliberation?
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
I have not offered any substantial criticism of Mike McQueary.
My advice to him would have been to tell Coach Paterno, and to report what he saw to CYF.
Works on contingency? No, money down!
Office of Children Youth and Families.
It’s essentially the child protective services agency, they all have different intials. In Pennsylvania, the person who reports the abuse can even remain anonymous.
Works on contingency? No, money down!
by jesse. on Nov 8, 2011 1:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
OK thanks
I wasn’t sure it if was campus police, an organization like the one you described, or maybe you used the wrong finger when typing in CYA for “Cover Your Ass.”
And agreed, he should have escalated this to that agency, something like this has to be taken out of house.
in 2002 I would have never known about that agency
and really didn’t understand their purpose till your description. Wonder how many other folks my age are in that boat. I never had anything in school or college educating me about what to do in the case of possible child abuse. My mother told us kids about not being able to stay at a friend’s house back in the 30’s because everyone kind of knew what happened in that house. Many people my age were raised to ignore. Times have changed and people know more now than before.
My grammer skills need improved.
I never would have thought that until yesterday.
Frankly, I’m terrified about some of the things I’ve read as it relates to this. I’ve seen people state that the allegations could not be reported because they were hearsay. Or that somebody could have been sued for libel by coming forward.
My initial responses to posts like this were curt, and probably insulting, but now I’m starting to discover that people really have no idea what their responsibilities are, and the resources that are available to them.
Works on contingency? No, money down!
Yeah, absolutely
the average person does not know how to deal with many legal processes and government agencies. I mean, like, almost everyone.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
by OctaShields on Nov 8, 2011 2:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
As the Penna state police chief said yesterday, however,
you don’t really need to be very smart when you see a child being violently attacked. Call the police. He expressed mystification that this wasn’t perceived to be an obvious decision to take, on the basis of his personal morality, I suppose, and his 30 years at the FBI and on the state police force.
We play tackle football.
As mentioned in a previous thread
I do believe he’s the same guy that condoned the beating of a 60+ year old man who was trying to get to his son who had been in a wreck near his house. It was later determined that police acted inappropriately. So he may not be the world’s best judge of moral fiber.
"I don’t know what he’s done differently, whether he’s eating differently or Sue is making him happier, but he’s definitely a different coach out there" Devon Still
by jman07 on Nov 8, 2011 2:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Check.
State Police Chief: bad person. Coincidentally, mentioned the moral responsibility to protect children yesterday. Unrelated, however.
We play tackle football.
BMAN
cleared up a few of the errors in my post. And yes, unrelated, I just find it interesting how he saw no wrong in what his officers did yet he can judge what McQueary or Joe did. Just interesting is all.
"I don’t know what he’s done differently, whether he’s eating differently or Sue is making him happier, but he’s definitely a different coach out there" Devon Still
too bad he doesn’t have moral feelings about his troopers tasering and beating a 67 yr old disabled man who was trying to rescue his grandson from a car wreck and then charging him with felony assault on an officer because he resisted while holding his dieing grandson’s hand.
My grammer skills need improved.
Is he the same Superintendent
who has overseen the firing of his own officer for trying to investigate a child molestation allegation because it was a “friend” of the district commander (he was giving them free memberships to a country club)? And then replaced the head of IA with an officer who was falsifying facts in search warrants? And is now under investigation by the DA? That head of the State Police?
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and I wouldn’t have known about CYF until you talked about it. I would like to think I would have known to call the police but who knows.
"I don’t know what he’s done differently, whether he’s eating differently or Sue is making him happier, but he’s definitely a different coach out there" Devon Still
@ Main Lion - I was a federal Police officer who worked patrol in DC
Trust me, I saw neglect/abuse/violence/etc first hand.
I know I handled it the correct way…I have seen domestic abuse and child neglect first hand on the job. After the arrest was performed, we always contacted the proper authorities to ensure the victim was helped. Never walked away.
May no act.................
There's a group of silent witnesses in this discussion, obviously.
They are comprised of three groups: people who were damaged as children, people whose children were damaged, people who (as professionals) worked with damaged children. They’re struggling with the idea that people associated with PSU are the victims here.
We play tackle football.
I was referring to this statement Bellanca...but i get your point
Unless and until you are in that or a similar situation,
you are not fit to judge.
May no act.................
You also have training
that a lot of other people don’t have.
No matter what you think about the current situation, support the players, they deserve our respect.
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by Paige2PSU on Nov 8, 2011 2:58 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Thats a very good point
I know how to handle physics problems when presented with them because I’ve spent a large deal of my life doing them.
I know how I’d like to react to a situation. Every time I get on a plane I imagine myself tackling a terrorist as he tries to get to the door. But I don’t know if I would- I’ve never been specifically tested.
'Why would she have you meet her in a bar at ten in the morning?'
'I just figured she was a raging alcoholic'
Valid point...I can see both sides
but don’t think you need para military training to go above/beyond and just do the right thing
May no act.................
everyone is a hero with hindsight
second guessing is way easier than first guessing
by swiggy04 on Nov 8, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
As I've countless times.
I recognize how tough the situation was.
Works on contingency? No, money down!
Frankly, I'm not sure any of us do.
Tom Bradley for offensive coordinator.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 8, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
I understand both sides here
While it’s easy for all of us to say he absolutely should have done this, there could have been a million things going through McCreary’s mind at the time, including, what kind of damage he could have done to Sandusky if his accusastion was wrong, not to mention that this would have torpedo’d MM’s career if the accusations were proven false.
Also, I’m pretty sure we don’t know what the real univerisy response to this was. It very well could have been, “Thank you Mike for bringing this serious accusation to us. We assure you that we will conduct a full & thorough invesetigation, that involves all the proper parties. For your protection, and for the integrity of this investigation, we need you to remain absolutely silent while we work behind the scenes.”
If a 22 y/o grad assistant hears something like that from the AD & university affairs people, I can imagine that he felt keeping quiet & letting the authorities do their work was the best course.
by MSUDersh on Nov 8, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
what i dont get is
people blame joe like he was the only one who could have told “someone else.” There were allegedly at least 8, now it looks like 9 kids who this happened to. I find it hard to believe he and Mike McQueary are the only two who could have said something to a “higher power.”
Unless you have sat in a room, heard someone tell you think they saw that happen, and actually went above and beyond protocol in that situation, zero people have any idea how they would act differently.
If Joe had told Gary Schultz, and Sandusky was arrested a week later, are people still criticizing him for not going to the CAC? No. If Joe had gone to the CAC and nothing happened until 2008, youd still have people saying Joe could have done even MORE. Its a lose lose. The fact is a man told two different people with authority to handle the situation and they didnt. if Joe could go back and do it again he probably would. But the idea that he made a conscious effort to do only what was required of him by law and thats it is completely absurd. He made the choice that was best in his mind at that point. now that we all know it didnt work out right, we have the benefit of saying “he should have done more” Good for us.
by swiggy04 on Nov 8, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
joe is penn state
that is why he is blamed. it is sad but it comes with the territory i guess. we all wish he did more b/c we all wish our university did more.
does he deserve all the slack? imo, probably not.
let's go state
And you still don't even *know* that for sure.
And, really, back to Sweep’s main point, what standard of justice holds people guilty for everything simply because they’re considered great men? How is that just?
Tom Bradley for offensive coordinator.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 8, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Rambler, yes I do.
This is, in part, my job. I make those decisions from time to time. If I had done what Joe Paterno did (under the present known facts) I would feel culpable. It’s not the letter of the law wrong decision, but to just kick it up, was weak.
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by jesse. on Nov 8, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And I'm sure that Joe feels terrible at this point too.
"I don’t know what he’s done differently, whether he’s eating differently or Sue is making him happier, but he’s definitely a different coach out there" Devon Still
by jman07 on Nov 8, 2011 1:35 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
No, you don't!
(under the present known facts)
Under the present known facts, we still don’t know what Paterno really did!
Tom Bradley for offensive coordinator.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 8, 2011 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
We know what he said he did to the GJ
And what he released in his statements.
Works on contingency? No, money down!
That assumes
the GJ documents released everything Paterno told them about what he did.
With firmness in the right, as God gives us to see the right
- A.Lincoln
Right.
We know he went to his boss, etc, which is what the law required him to do.
After that, we don’t know what he did. That’s why all of these comparisons and all of these moral judgments drive me crazy – because I think Paterno deserves the benefit of the doubt from us and is entitled to a patient look at what happened instead of all of this.
Tom Bradley for offensive coordinator.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 8, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
We know that he did not call the state police, whose commandant noted that yesterday.
We play tackle football.
Yeah, that's true.
But there are still too many holes in our factual knowledge of the story to make a convincing argument that Paterno is guilty of a great moral failure.
Many are accusing him of a moral failure because the Sandusky thing was allowed to go on for ten years, but they haven’t even bothered to prove how Paterno’s action or inaction was related to that fact. No one knows what Paterno did besides not calling the state police. I’m not calling for him to take responsibility until I have reason to do so. If M1EK wants to call me a homer for that, fine, whatever.
Tom Bradley for offensive coordinator.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 8, 2011 1:50 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
As I've said a million times, I saw abuse, and reported it
as you put it “kicked it up” and it was handled properly and no one needed to hound someone to do it. Charges were filed, and everything went as it does. This was a huge breakdown.
the same system that worked
when the abuse was reported in that school district in 2008. it is disappointing that it didn’t work at psu b/c of seemingly minimizing of the situation by people in positions of power.
let's go state
by 424E. on Nov 8, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Right.
Some piece of shit High School in Clinton County knocked this shit off in 48 hours. Tim Curley had a duty to report, not investigate and determine it wasn’t worth reporting.
That is the failure here.
Works on contingency? No, money down!
by jesse. on Nov 8, 2011 1:49 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
@BenJones88 & @ScottPaterno tweeting that JoePa not stepping down
by MSUDersh on Nov 8, 2011 1:24 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
Good
Make Spanier force him out. Another nail in spaniers coffin.
by irz813 on Nov 8, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
From @Ben_Jones88
Spanier’s refusal to face the media has left Paterno out in the cold. So instead of running like everyone else, he’s going head first.
by MSUDersh on Nov 8, 2011 1:27 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
The man is 84 years young
and has never ran a day in his life.
"I don’t know what he’s done differently, whether he’s eating differently or Sue is making him happier, but he’s definitely a different coach out there" Devon Still
by jman07 on Nov 8, 2011 1:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Wasn’t that his description as a QB at Brown? “Can’t run, can’t throw, he just wins”
"When I put on my uniform, I feel I am the proudest man on earth."
-Roberto
by blackjackfishtaco on Nov 8, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I love it.
Because it confirms with us the impression we all hold of Joe.
Joe, one last time, let them underestimate you, let them say that the world has passe dyou by. And then drop every one of them like the sacks of sh .. they are.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
by MainLion on Nov 8, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions 9 recs
You got it ML!
" When you cross that Blue Line, you are mine...Across the Blue Line, it's all football. " " And what you need to do in your life is paint Blue Lines everywhere. " - Joe Paterno 2009
by BlueWhiteLife on Nov 8, 2011 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
Posnanski:
A museum piece, Angelo. That’s how some see him. Sure, some want him to quit. Some say he’s lost touch. Some say he’s going to dull his legacy. What does he care? It’s like George, your younger son, used to say: “Don’t ever tell Joe he can’t do something … because he’ll work harder than ever to make sure he does it.”
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
by MainLion on Nov 8, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Rinaldi just reported that Meyer would listen if contacted.
You without me is like Harold Melvin without the Blue Notes . . . you'll never go platinum.
#OccupyESPN
I don't like his big dumb face anyway.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
People on ESPN, talking about Joe Paterno retiring...
…are literally crying. I mean, there is some hope that people will let the old man leave with dignity.
Works on contingency? No, money down!
In a certain, pervese manner
It kind of can be, as in, this changes everything going forward, for everybody, forever.
had to
set the rest on dvr today…..think they keep it on espn at 1:00 and skip nfl primetime or should i set my dvr to espn2 for sportscenter?
Octa
thanks for your insight we take you for your word
Scott is working on an off campus press conference currently
is the word. He’s informing journalists
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
thamel just refuted that
Was just told that Joe Paterno will NOT be holding a press conference outside the school.
via twitter @petethamelnyt
let's go state
ben jones now re-refuting that
Press conference scheduled some time in the next 24 hours per the Paterno family.
let's go state
I got it from Scott Paterno's twitter
he told some reporters “working on it”
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
I meant he was informing journalists
that he was working on it, not that it was happening or where.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
There is no way JoePa can do that and coach the team on Saturday.
Works on contingency? No, money down!
by jesse. on Nov 8, 2011 1:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
he should have the press conference in the press box
its cool, we can hide him behind a pole. and keep the windows closed so no one knows who is answering.
Live shot of the JoePa presser.
I think.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
Dang
I have three of them, and couldn’t even tell you where they are.
That’s some dedication right there!!!
by Tailgate Shogun on Nov 8, 2011 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
it is silly.
the ratio of stupid people is infinity to 1
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What do these people stand for?
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
it doesnt matter what anyone stands for anymore
if you have principles people will spit on you for them
if you dont
people will try to give you theirs
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that's when you stand tall
for what you believe in, and don’t run at the first sign of trouble or cry like a little bitch or make public attention-seeking spectacles.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
by OctaShields on Nov 8, 2011 2:00 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Octa.
I less than three your resolve. You’ve just renewed mine. Are you going to be at the game. I want to shake your hand.
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Yeah, I'm going to need a lot of handshakes
I am going to sing the alma mater and probably tear up.
I hope that people will join me in singing, and when we profess “may no act of ours bring shame”, we are pledging it to ourselves, for ourselves, for everyone singing, to keep comporting ourselves at the highest standard and to control those things that we are able to control. That’s what those words have always meant to me, and I will continue to take pride in this.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
by OctaShields on Nov 8, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
i got a great email
forwarded to me from someone going to the game this weekend and why they will cheer….
is that an appropriate fanpost?
let's go state
It could be
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
saw that
someone put it up in an earlier thread today and i sent it to a few friends who have now sent it to a few…my mother in law who is from pa sent it to her whole inbox and a lot of people have supported it she said….
SPREAD THIS EMOTIONAL GREAT PIECE LIKE WILDFIRE FOR THIS SATURDAY
I will be at the game
and will support this team until the end
"Rabble rabble rabble; fire Joe; snarky meme; rude nickname; rabble rabble rabble
by letsgopsu on Nov 8, 2011 2:53 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I bet you wouldn't have said that if it wasn't a Diva.
"I don’t know who to believe – A used car salesman or the OSU Chief of Compliance."
-rahpsu92
by leeharvey418 on Nov 8, 2011 3:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Myself and Larry Johnson
Will hug like grown men do
by FB6244 on Nov 8, 2011 3:22 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Not exactly people I'd want in my foxhole.
Somewhere, somehow, cooler heads need to prevail. Unfortunately, there aren’t too many adult examples to point to at the moment.
Let me know when they start burning pants.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
by MainLion on Nov 8, 2011 1:53 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I'll burn mine
lord knows I hate these things.
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by skarocksoi on Nov 8, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
let me know when they start burning bras
My grammer skills need improved.
by BMAN13 on Nov 8, 2011 2:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Let me know when they start burning Georgia!
Tom Bradley for offensive coordinator.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 8, 2011 2:13 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Kiss my ass, Rambler!
No matter what you think about the current situation, support the players, they deserve our respect.
Follow @Paige2PSU
You're from Alabamy, why do you care?
Tom Bradley for offensive coordinator.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 8, 2011 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
I lived in Atlanta, too.
No matter what you think about the current situation, support the players, they deserve our respect.
Follow @Paige2PSU
Still, why would an Auburn fan be opposed to burning Georgia?
Unless you’ve secretly kept alive plans for a new Confederacy all along. That would explain some of what Mike has said.
Tom Bradley for offensive coordinator.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 8, 2011 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, Mike and I are conspiring.
And we have all of the confederate gold that was stashed away before the end of the War. I hate Sherman and his atrocities and I hate the way my ancestors were treated during Reconstruction.
No matter what you think about the current situation, support the players, they deserve our respect.
Follow @Paige2PSU
by Paige2PSU on Nov 8, 2011 2:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Too many good souls stolen there.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
Me, too.
I’ll give them mine to burn.
No matter what you think about the current situation, support the players, they deserve our respect.
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pocket protectors and all!!
Could have used that at the Illinois tailgate to keeps us warm for hours!
My grammer skills need improved.
True, LOL!
Except, I don’t wear pocket protectors, remember?
No matter what you think about the current situation, support the players, they deserve our respect.
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Let's just say that I have a tough time looking her in the eyes.
:)
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
I was trying to find the link to the thread
where that all got started and couldn’t. Help?
No matter what you think about the current situation, support the players, they deserve our respect.
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Well I'll burn my pants
But thats just because I dont like them.
'Why would she have you meet her in a bar at ten in the morning?'
'I just figured she was a raging alcoholic'
Honestly
One of the dumbest things I have heard.
Yes, pretty much.
Being overly emotional isn’t always justifiable, especially when you’re burning something you got through hard work.
Tom Bradley for offensive coordinator.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 8, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
And a lot of money
Thye should burn their AES statements
by FB6244 on Nov 8, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
they are gonna look silly ordering new ones
to show to their perspective employers after getting fired for skipping work to burn their diplomas.
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by skarocksoi on Nov 8, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
He looks like the kind of guy who hangs around with Ward Churchill and blames 9/11 on American policy towards the Native Americans.
Tom Bradley for offensive coordinator.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 8, 2011 2:19 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
He looks like he's already retired
What’s that diploma gonna do for him?
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
Dude the Willard Peacher Really got old.
I mean mannnnnnnnnnnn
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by Kunza on Nov 8, 2011 2:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Good for them,
I assume they will be removing it from their resume when applying for a job as well.
WE'RE DANCIN!!!
At the least the BOT is taking steps ..
to find out where the process failed (\epic fail) and to correct so that this shit never, ever happens again
I'm not rationalizing - I'm being totally irrational
by GoodOleDays on Nov 8, 2011 1:47 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Were the BOT 'of no knowledge'
of this entire matter – and also did nothing?
" When you cross that Blue Line, you are mine...Across the Blue Line, it's all football. " " And what you need to do in your life is paint Blue Lines everywhere. " - Joe Paterno 2009
by BlueWhiteLife on Nov 8, 2011 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
So who is running the show here?
Steve Garban? Former PSU employee (another cat with emeritus status).
Forgive me if I’m not overly confident in our leadership right now.
Tom Bradley for President.
Tom Bradley for offensive coordinator.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 8, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
I second that...
but on second thought, he is an apparent upstanding person. So wtf is going to come out about him. Hell I don’t even know if I trust myself anymore.
When in doubt, punt!
- John Heisman
The only person you can trust is Merle Haggard, people.
Heck, he admits to liking pot.
Tom Bradley for offensive coordinator.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 8, 2011 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
Screw hippies.
Tom Bradley for offensive coordinator.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 8, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
I can think of no greater refutation of the Paterno way than wearing long hair.
Tom Bradley for offensive coordinator.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 8, 2011 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
It's hippy music.
They don’t wear long hair because it’ll get stuck in the instruments or catch on fire or something. But their music is all about growing out your hair, keeping it long, and burning barber shops.
Tom Bradley for offensive coordinator.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 8, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
Awesome:
just checked the PSU BOT site, and guess who is (was?) the Treasurer:
Everyone’s new best friend!
http://www.psu.edu/trustees/committees.html
Oh, to be a fly on the wall in their meetings this week.
Care to offer the ignorant some knowledge on this person?
Tom Bradley for offensive coordinator.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 8, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
Oh.
Tom Bradley for offensive coordinator.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 8, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
I bet he was in the back doing an "I say we let him go" voice
Just remembered (mid-typing) what that is from, and I creeped myself out.
by kijana's acl on Nov 8, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This?
This is funny. Well played, sir.
by Tailgate Shogun on Nov 8, 2011 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
What do you guys think about the disappearance of Ray Gricar?
Look me up on youtube sometime...if you're really bored.
Would make an excellent Criminal Minds plot.
But really the last thing we should be considering right now is some conspriacy theory when what we know (or allegedly know) is enough to make you make to vomit/punch something/hurt someone.
The Gricar story is old and has been investigated to death
Odds that it has anything to do with Sandusky are infinitesimal.
I don't know....
Joe is Italian after all. Maybe he called in a favor for someone to take care of a “thing” for him.
Ew, she's presenting like a mandrill!
I'm flagging this
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
I know, I'm not mad
I just don’t appreciate this sort of thing. I’m not asking for you to be banned or anything, just objecting to the comment.
I saw something written the other day that Joe was just following “omerta” and it set me off. I’m Italian, and I realize it seems like a harmless joke to most, but I object to it.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
Understood.
My apologies for offending you (and anyone else of Italian descent).
Ew, she's presenting like a mandrill!
Of all the people in the world, seriously, Scott Paterno?
Come on.
Works on contingency? No, money down!
Dude, at least half of the Penn State fanbase is agreeing with Bill Plaschke.
The insane is sane.
Tom Bradley for offensive coordinator.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 8, 2011 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
It's really off the chart.
They preempted Mike Tomlin’s press conference for Penn State coverage today on Pittsburgh Sports Radio.
Works on contingency? No, money down!
Is it so crazy that his son is representing him?
Why the hell would he want some counsel from the university? If he has something to bring the ship down, I doubt he wants some penn state spokesman speaking for him.
At first I thought it was crazy.
And then I realized his son is part of one of Big Law’s heavy hitters. Quite the counsel, and support staff, to have behind you.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
Who?
BSD Wentworth
Co-Founding Partner
Chariman, Hiring Committee*
*Accepting Applications
I meant what firm.
You answered it above.
BSD Wentworth
Co-Founding Partner
Chariman, Hiring Committee*
*Accepting Applications
I can't imagine ever representing my father
But then again, if something so heinous broke that he roped him in, I sure would be working my ass off with his attorneys to make sure I’m comfortable with how everything was going down that could affect him.
It's more PR than legal rep
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
Then that makes sense
I would be fine with controlling the PR piece (well, if my dad was a big public figure like JoePa, he’s not, so nobody would care if he got roped into something like this).
But I think it would be too difficult to do the actual legal work. Too emotional
lol are you serious?
Scott is one of the most intelligent person I have ever met (work with him on some things). He is pretty much handling this whole process for Joe.
http://twitter.com/tmaluchnik
I've heard a lot of things about Scott
but I don’t think “most intelligent” was ever applied to him.
Then you never met him
as many people who have worked with him will say the same thing. Its actually mindblowing how smart he is
http://twitter.com/tmaluchnik
Maybe I'm confusing my Paternos
Is Scott the one who ran for office (i.e., did the impossible and lost with the last name “Paterno”)? If so, then he has been described to me as a know-it-all and a blowhard. Does not mean he is not smart, just that I’ve never heard that label applied to him.
Scott is a Paterno
so that means he attracts the extremes, people either love em or hate em.
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by TJM5054 on Nov 8, 2011 3:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Paterno is a pretty fun name to say though
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by skarocksoi on Nov 8, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I heard he makes his wife use his full name in the bedroom.
"I don’t know who to believe – A used car salesman or the OSU Chief of Compliance."
-rahpsu92
by leeharvey418 on Nov 8, 2011 3:22 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Does she say,
“Scott Paterno” in a chant, then clap-clap, clap, clap clap?
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Scott Paterno's wife has an STD?
That’s pretty bold, Paige.
by kijana's acl on Nov 8, 2011 5:11 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Yeah, that wasn't my best wording.
I was trying to imitate the Joe Paterno chant.
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I've heard negative things about him...
That don’t really relate to his intelligence one way or the other.
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Ha, I have a feeling you know him.
He’s not the LEAST smart person, but he might not have the savvy and sensitivity to handle it correctly.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
Yeah, well, he is a son of Joe Paterno.
Joe’s pretty good at learning, maybe the kids are too.
Tom Bradley for offensive coordinator.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 8, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
Then again, he might.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
isnt scott paterno an attorney?
this is likely why he is being authorized to speak on behalf of Joe.
I believe his graduated from law school and passed the bar.
Presently, I do not believe he is licensed attorney. But I could be wrong.
Works on contingency? No, money down!
He's administratively suspended. Or was.
No CLEs maybe? But MLB isn’t a peon’s firm.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
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I can just picture...
Joe walking up to the mic dragging Spanier while Spanier is crying “No Joe, No Joe”
I'm not rationalizing - I'm being totally irrational
Check. Check.
Turn it up. No, turn it up. I can’t hear it. The mic’s on, but I can’t hear it. Turn it up. Ugh.
Biggie or JoePa. Your call.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
It was all a dream....
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YO!
Microphone check, one two what is this?
The five foot Italian with the roughneck business!
Sorry, just watched ‘Beats, Rhymes, Life’ last night. Awesome documentary on Tribe.
by Tailgate Shogun on Nov 8, 2011 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
Sup Party Ppl!
Since I’ve finally (for the time being anyway) finished crying, I figured this was as good a comment as any to join in on.
Man I wish Ali Shaheed Muhammad was on the Board of Trustees
Truth.
Seemed like a pretty level headed guy. Same for Jarobi.
by Tailgate Shogun on Nov 8, 2011 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
Why...
Isn’t any of this being reported? A new presser outside of the school and how Joe wanted to go through with it…this needs to be out there.
And to think I was going to be able to innocently read Grant's Memoirs this week.
Tom Bradley for offensive coordinator.
They'll probably have Grant drug into this by the weekend
I'm not rationalizing - I'm being totally irrational
He could have done more
at the Battle of Shiloh!
by Tailgate Shogun on Nov 8, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
I think I'm rapidly going through the grieving process
because I’m chuckling more than I should be at a lot of these comments. Thank you all.
No way.
Blame his boss Halleck for not doing his job.
Tom Bradley for offensive coordinator.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 8, 2011 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
BUT GRANT COULD HAVE DONE MORE!
/every back & forth post on this board.
by Tailgate Shogun on Nov 8, 2011 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
Grant wasnt obligated to do more
but morally, he should have done more. I know I would have.
by swiggy04 on Nov 8, 2011 2:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
+1
LOL
We have little tranquility but tons of tranquilizers.
by mikeissurreal on Nov 8, 2011 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
ONE WEEK FROM TODAY
147th ANNIVERSARY OF SHERMAN’S MARCH TO THE SEA!
Tom Bradley for offensive coordinator.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 8, 2011 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
he could have done less?
/morally responsibled’
My grammer skills need improved.
by BMAN13 on Nov 8, 2011 2:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He should have done more
and burned Savannah.
With firmness in the right, as God gives us to see the right
- A.Lincoln
This is actually true!
Tom Bradley for offensive coordinator.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 8, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
I'm trying to do work.
And failing miserably.
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by 06Lion on Nov 8, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
yup
We have little tranquility but tons of tranquilizers.
by mikeissurreal on Nov 8, 2011 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
Grant is so clear and concise it's amazing.
I wish Chamberlain had had that gift.
Tom Bradley for offensive coordinator.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 8, 2011 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
I'll cut you for that insult!
Tom Bradley for offensive coordinator.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 8, 2011 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
Not a good day for Italians
"That's why you don't play! 'Cuz you're no good!" -Joe Paterno
by pmm156 on Nov 8, 2011 2:11 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Slightly OT here, but
Who is your school’s most hated rival (Pitt? tOSU?? Someone else???), and how are their SBN boards handling this?
I understand people on U-M boards flaming tOSU for the Tressel Affair, but I hope that, considering the seriousness of the allegations, the mood is more sympathetic at your rivals. IMO, times like these, rivalries take a backseat to learning the facts, calling for the appropriate people to be punished, and talking about how to heal the community and move forward.
This is really not about athletic competition.
I would hope people would perceive that difference and treat it differently.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
Yea, this aint about Rivalry
Its about humanity.
Penn State’s Admin seems to have lost it here.
Anybody that thinks that’s good for ANYONE is stupid, maybe depraved.
GEAUX TIGERS!!!
Aren't you supposed to be our rival?
When in doubt, punt!
- John Heisman
by carolinaeasy on Nov 8, 2011 2:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, my school is your rival
Today, I’m just a guy burning one of my unused PTO days, and spending it following this, instead of enjoying myself.
Well the B1G
thinks you are our rival, or were. Not sure if people from MSU think we actually have a rivalry, but PSU fans dont see it as a rivalry. It was just the last game of the year or senior day
http://twitter.com/tmaluchnik
Yeah you put it better
The conference felt that a manufactured rivalry would eventually lead to passion in the fans for that hideous trophy.
It’s so much easier to say, “Fuck Michigan” than “Fuck Penn State.” It just doesn’t quite roll off the tongue as easily.
Agree its so much easier to say
F michigan and F nebraska and F o$u. I have nothing against MSU, and respect them, like I respect Northwestern, but its just not a rivalry.
http://twitter.com/tmaluchnik
It's been quite the 18 months for college football stories, no?
It hasn’t helped my career at all. I’ve usually got to spend 14 hours at work to finish my day during realignment musical chairs or when Tressel’s buying his guys tattoos or when Nevin Shapiro makes it Hurricane on some strippers for all his fellas.
Ohio State has an SBN blog?
[note use of subject line]
Tom Bradley for offensive coordinator.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 8, 2011 2:17 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
With wit like that, you could write comedy for the BBC.
"I don’t know who to believe – A used car salesman or the OSU Chief of Compliance."
-rahpsu92
derry
anybody heard from derry today? seems we need a daily dose of derry to let us know what the sources say and stop all the speculation
Derry
is secretly Joe Paterno.
Joe acts like he doesn’t understand computers, but checks this site every night to get ideas on how to better coach his team.
by Tailgate Shogun on Nov 8, 2011 2:22 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
That would explain how Joe started using Fera on field goals after the Temple game.
Read my Temple game review/grades and comments and notice that it was the last time Evan Lewis got to kick a field goal.
if true
that would be like the coolest “tricked ya” thing EVER
From everything I've seen Ben do
Between his coverage of many of the PSU sports, the coverage of recent events, and his work in starting-up and maintaining the donations following the Alabama tornadoes, I’m convinced that Ben will be a great champion for the world, in whatever he decides to do.
So yes, many kudos to Ben indeed!
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by IcersGuy on Nov 8, 2011 2:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ben is destroying this coverage. He's not going to need BSD much longer.
by Chris Grovich on Nov 8, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That would be a huge loss. Not to downgrade what the other writers do, just adding my compliments to Ben’s work.
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by blackjackfishtaco on Nov 8, 2011 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
I want to know how he booked it from Lasch
to Toftress in under 15?
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Joe Paterno doesn't live in Toftrees
He lives in College Heights. It’s walkable.
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Confused
What’s in Toftrees? JoePas house in North of Campus by sunset park
'Why would she have you meet her in a bar at ten in the morning?'
'I just figured she was a raging alcoholic'
I'd say CATA
But we all know that ain’t true.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
we've all seen the way those cata buses run red lights.
We have little tranquility but tons of tranquilizers.
by mikeissurreal on Nov 8, 2011 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
BEN FOR AD
OR UNIVERSITY PREZ!!!!!
"I don’t know what he’s done differently, whether he’s eating differently or Sue is making him happier, but he’s definitely a different coach out there" Devon Still
at JoePa's house
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he old enough
he wont ever need that physical diploma. I doubt you will see any recent grads burning theirs… at least the intelligent ones.
You can also order replacement diplomas
if you really need one.
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I was once a hippie..
I resemble that remark
\rim shot
I'm not rationalizing - I'm being totally irrational
lol you could say once I was
a hippie in high school too, with the green and peace signs (but I was like Randall ‘Pink’ Floyd hippie)
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Who ever needs their actual diploma?
Other than to show it off. If anyone wants proof they ask for a transcript, not the diploma.
And College Profs.
We have to hang them on our wall!!
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Well, that's still showing them off.
And that isn’t even that common in my field. Always thought lawyers were the singular profession where it was universal to have framed diplomas in their workplace (and maybe MBAs, but I know fewer of those).
Doctors, too.
But didn’t every single one of your profs in college have their diplomas on the wall? It’s just standard practice!
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I don't think so
I remember one of my PSU advisers having his on the wall. They were pretty small and cheaply mounted. But I don’t recall them being common on my other PSU adviser’s wall, the offices of others at PSU or my undergraduate profs’. I don’t have mine hanging either (though I’m only a post-doc).
(Medical) doctors might, but you don’t normally see a doctor in his office. You see him in an examination room or at the hospital.
MDs will post their residency certificates/diplomas.
Penn State’s diplomas are woefully small.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
Does anybody else watch Covert Affairs on USA?
Joan went to Penn State, and has her diploma displayed on her office wall.
"I don’t know who to believe – A used car salesman or the OSU Chief of Compliance."
-rahpsu92
by leeharvey418 on Nov 8, 2011 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
Oh and I am proud
to show my Penn State diploma off.
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Wait
Did SVP give Ben a shout out on SportsCenter or something based on one of Ben’s tweets? Ben is killing it today, I’m just sorry it had to be on a day like this.
Should I know who Michael Weinreb is?
He’s on the WWL talking about Joe and Penn State like he’s an ultimate insider.
Excellent writer. We interviewed him earlier in the year.
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Missed that interview, I guess.
He pretty much said what Chris said, “If Joe leaving is what it takes to move on, then so be it.”
I’m not a fan of that sentiment, but I know that it’s his opinion and that’s okay.
Here's a link
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Wrote an excellent article today
The article he has up on Grantland right now almost brought me to tears. Very sobering take on this whole thing from somebody who grew up in State College the same time as Mike McQueary, Sandusky’s kids and Paterno’s kids.
whats interestingly brought up by the article
and people forget, but McQueary is from State College and went to school with one of Sandusky’s kids. This likely explains why it was such a hard thing to see, why he sought counsel from his dad who, as little league coach, likely knew sandusky, and why he didnt report it to police.
Sandusky wasnt just McQueary’s boss and mentor, he was also a neighbor and friend. That has to make it harder to rat him out to authorities, no?
by swiggy04 on Nov 8, 2011 3:13 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I hadn't thought about that
Imagine walking in on someone you had known, trusted, and respected your entire life as an adult figure, and eventually mentor in that scenario. I would question reality. Hell, I would question reality if it was a stranger.
'Why would she have you meet her in a bar at ten in the morning?'
'I just figured she was a raging alcoholic'
by psuphysicist on Nov 8, 2011 3:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So Ben filmed the delivery of the presser cancellation statement at the stadium
Then booked it over to JoePa’s to get his statement on the way to practice.
or maybe there's more than one Ben...
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he's always been skilled, if often a little coy on the twitter
But he’s a goddamn Internet Giant right now. Maybe he was in both places at once simultaneously.
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by BlueWhiteLife on Nov 8, 2011 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
- he must have ’downed a lot of Pez today
" When you cross that Blue Line, you are mine...Across the Blue Line, it's all football. " " And what you need to do in your life is paint Blue Lines everywhere. " - Joe Paterno 2009
by BlueWhiteLife on Nov 8, 2011 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
Photo up..........
twittered by someone at onward state of paterno leaving practice.
When you put those black shoes on tomorrow, and you put on that jersey without your name on the back, and you put that plain helmet on, that's tradition. Penn State tradition!
--Who else?
I think that was of him leaving his house headed to practice
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by newenglandnittanylion on Nov 8, 2011 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
“@trevorbarnes: Jerry Sandusky’s 1986 PSU National Championship ring up for sale on ebay ”http://t.co/hfWgJMrR" target="_blank">http://t.co/hfWgJMrR #PSUCharges #bigten"
by MSUDersh on Nov 8, 2011 3:00 PM EST via mobile reply actions
WTH?
did he give the ring to some victim and they are now selling it? Is Sandusky selling it?
http://twitter.com/tmaluchnik
Tim Curley's attorney is doing him no favors.
Loudmouth shrew angrily yelling that the “duty to report” statute doesn’t apply to Curly is not what that situation called for.
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Reminds me of a version of the old Lawyer's primer:
If you have the facts, argue the facts.
If you don’t have the facts, argue the law.
If you don’t have either, pound the table really hard.
Sounds like she’s between steps 2 & 3 right now.
by MSUDersh on Nov 8, 2011 3:10 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Even if she has a good argument that the "duty to report" doesn't apply
Save that shit for briefs. She made him look like an asshole.
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by jesse. on Nov 8, 2011 3:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yeah that was awful
no way PSU would keep him on now, even if he was completely cleared of all charges. Or that “speeding ticket” comment. Yeesh.
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She looked awful, she sounded awful
and what she said was awful. Bad work. Way, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to confrontational.
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Yeah
The man is either stupid, incompetent, or both. She’s helping me think it’s the both, which I’m not sure his defense should do.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
Try to make it look like he might have done the right thing.
Screaming that the law doesn’t apply to him plays like an admission that he didn’t tell anybody.
Works on contingency? No, money down!
She reminded me a little of,
“Terrell Owens has twenty five million reasons why he should be alive. Thank you.”
I saw her.
Too bad Gloria Allred is booked — of course Curley is of the wrong gender.
"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
thanks
I need a day off from the circus anyway
by Mr. Rosewater on Nov 8, 2011 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
Just curious
ESPN is quoting parents of the victims blaming the University. How come the parents didn’t call police when their children told them? I did not want to read the whole testimony so I do not know if it touched on this at all.
The one on ESPN is the Mother of the 1998 victim.
She did call the police.
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Ok, just wondering. And if it was the 1998 issue, ESPN sure did a good of not explaining to anyone that the issue was indeed investigated.
I trust ESPN to accurately report information
'Why would she have you meet her in a bar at ten in the morning?'
'I just figured she was a raging alcoholic'
by psuphysicist on Nov 8, 2011 3:12 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
It is sad because they have a big part in the public perception of his. Everyone is so fast to judge and not let all the facts come out. I seriously hope Joe rips the administration if he holds a press conference.
I actually think they are doing pretty well, from what I've seen.
Works on contingency? No, money down!
I refuse to watch ESPN
So I wouldn’t really know. I hope they are handling it well.
'Why would she have you meet her in a bar at ten in the morning?'
'I just figured she was a raging alcoholic'
ESPN?
aside from claiming Joe was the one who shut down his presser, I think they have as well. TV broadcast wise that is. Their radio and web coverage seems a little contradictory to some that however.
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thats way out of line
no targeting the victims.
Predicting Penn State's Offensive Scripts since 2005!
Yep. Your presence here is useful.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
thanks.
I’ve been on the phone with my dad (retired US Army Criminal Investigator) all day. He’s offsite, and I am updating him. Most of my opinions are his because he’s investigated, testified, these types of cases with almost identical circumstances.
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Scott addressing the media
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAw-HpXLLvA&sns=tw
"Rabble rabble rabble; fire Joe; snarky meme; rude nickname; rabble rabble rabble
Looks like that was outside JoePa's house?
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by BlueWhiteLife on Nov 8, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
Hey Kev!
Hear you’re going to be on Wes McElroy’s show down here on Sportsradio 910 in Richmond. I’ll be listening.
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Whats the latest?
Trying to get through the comments…but its a lot….. Paterno holding his own press conference? If so, any ideas when?
Sometime in the next 22 hours.
"I don’t know who to believe – A used car salesman or the OSU Chief of Compliance."
-rahpsu92
"Fuck you, Graham Spanier...
Now bring on Nebraska."
"I don’t know who to believe – A used car salesman or the OSU Chief of Compliance."
-rahpsu92
by leeharvey418 on Nov 8, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
defending
someone also said something about joe having information to show he did go above and beyond….this may be joe salvaging himself (and maybe mike) and saying screw you to the university….as he should
by va2pennstate on Nov 8, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Possibly.
Certainly not today. I do believe that Penn State has confirmed that Paterno will coach on Saturday.
Works on contingency? No, money down!
ALL IS WELL!!!
"I don’t know who to believe – A used car salesman or the OSU Chief of Compliance."
-rahpsu92
We should go to Spanier's House anyways
After the game, ptichforks, Mango Rum in hand
'Why would she have you meet her in a bar at ten in the morning?'
'I just figured she was a raging alcoholic'
by psuphysicist on Nov 8, 2011 3:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Alright good
I’ll meet you after the game. I’ll probably still be drunk, but I’ll stash the bottle in his mailbox in preperation just in case.
'Why would she have you meet her in a bar at ten in the morning?'
'I just figured she was a raging alcoholic'
Remember to take
the goalposts after the victory!
by FB6244 on Nov 8, 2011 3:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'll take em straight to JoePa's
Where he can then hold his press conference. Then go to Spaniers
'Why would she have you meet her in a bar at ten in the morning?'
'I just figured she was a raging alcoholic'
by psuphysicist on Nov 8, 2011 3:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
His last game?
Prediction (though I hate myself for thinking it) – Paterno’s last game is Nebraska, announced at the presser tomorrow. Meyer to replace him next year, with the remainder of the staff coaching out the year.
I could see them placing him on leave until the end of the season
Then if things calm down letting him coach the bowl game.
Works on contingency? No, money down!
Its Joe Paterno
now that you just said that, he’ll make it a point to be there.
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by skarocksoi on Nov 8, 2011 3:27 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
This
" When you cross that Blue Line, you are mine...Across the Blue Line, it's all football. " " And what you need to do in your life is paint Blue Lines everywhere. " - Joe Paterno 2009
by BlueWhiteLife on Nov 8, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
Mike would have to be gone too.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
I'm sure our offense cares
"It's not just linebackers. This is Penn State linebackers, man. We're a certain type. We've gotta be aggressive, relentless, focused. Don't talk. Don't talk at all. We don't showboat or anything. We just play hard and get the job done." -Khairi Fortt
I care.
And I still care about and love Penn State. One sick individual is not going change that.
by RitterPSU on Nov 8, 2011 3:35 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Well, I woudl think Curley And Schultz are sick too
I guess Spanier, if everything is true. But I will never let them ruin my pride in PSU on and off the field.
by FB6244 on Nov 8, 2011 3:37 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Any position coach on the sidelines.
Is JayPa down there? One of our OLine coaches. They’d figure something out.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
Does anyone coach the offense now?
Every insult does not require a response.
by Esteban d' Amur on Nov 8, 2011 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
Bad dah tsh
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
Again, that'd be brilliant
Hey you, you saw something and reported it to your superiors, who buried it. Now you get fired.
Paterno being forced out is one thing. Forcing McQueary at the same time looks so incredibly brain-dead it’s not even funny.
by Bleed Blue 'n White on Nov 8, 2011 3:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm talking in a scenario where they force do Joe out for his role
(As you know from the last three days I am VERY against)
They HAVE to let Mike go too. If they fire Joe for not doing enough, they have to fire Mike too, if anything, he had the most responsibility out of either of them to follow up and he didn’t either as far as we know.
You can’t have the fire Joe kneejerk reaction without firing Mike as well.
I don’t think either should be let go, but if they do…
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
by Rogue Nine on Nov 8, 2011 3:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No, I don't think they do
They could claim that Paterno had some responsibility to follow some random PSU bit of procedure that no one knows about.
You can’t get rid of Mike. You get rid of Mike and oh my God, it looks like you’re trying to bury the story.
by Bleed Blue 'n White on Nov 8, 2011 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
It's all moral
As far as we know the both of them followed procedure to a ‘T’. They’d be letting Joe go because they perceive with what little facts we currently have, that he was negligent in the years after for not following up, the same exact thing that McQueary, the guy who actually witnesses, supposedly did not do.
Like I said, it’s not right, but the fate’s of Joe and Mike are linked in this.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
And
They ARE trying to bury the story, that much is clear to me. Spanier is pulling strings behind the curtains and he has to go.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
Yes, but they need to find some way to justify it
You can’t fire someone for following procedures. What would they be suspending McQueary for? Doing what the University said he’s supposed to do?
by Bleed Blue 'n White on Nov 8, 2011 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
Like I said, this ONLY applies if they do fire Joe
If they fire Joe, how can they keep McQueary? They both reported it to Curley and both allegedly sat on it for a decade and both of them were cleared of legal wrongdoing by the GJ (for now).
They are in the same boat.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
Not really
I’m sure they can find something Joe did that they get rid of him for, or some way to word it. I don’t know how you do that with McQueary. His job description is a lot more specific than Joe’s.
I mean, they could fire him, or suspend him, but if I were McQueary I’d sue the school real fast.
by Bleed Blue 'n White on Nov 8, 2011 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
It comes to this
What did Joe do differently than McQueary?
To me, the answer is nothing. Both reported the crime up the ladder, the top of the ladder failed.
What Paterno is under pressure for is that after that, people think he never gave it a second thought (even though we have no evidence presented yet to suggest that). That’s what they want to fire him for. That’s what they can fire McQueary for. If anything, McQueary is MORE in the wrong because he was the witness, the one with more invested in it to begin with.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
But they can't fire Paterno for that
Look, you have to give a reason for firing someone. If you just say “yah, you’re gone” – and the timing shows it’s because of this – then McQueary could say “you have no reason to fire me,” and sue the school. And he’d be right.
I’m sure they can cook up some reason for firing Paterno. I don’t see how they can do it for McQueary. Especially because McQueary is the guy who first reported it.
They can’t fire Joe for not doing enough (because he did exactly what they told him to do), and that’s not what they’ll claim it’s for if they do.
by Bleed Blue 'n White on Nov 8, 2011 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
I would say they're trying really hard to fire Paterno for that.
And IF they do, they have to fire McQueary as well. There is no way around that.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
No, I'm saying *legally* they can't
Seriously, if they fire or suspend McQueary for this, and he sues them for wrongful termination, what do they give as their response? We expect all of our employees to do more than what we ask them to do?
by Bleed Blue 'n White on Nov 8, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
well, legally they can, but not without paying money...
which, okay, they might be okay with
by Bleed Blue 'n White on Nov 8, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
The legal department
Is going to be hemorrhaging cash for the next couple of years, I think they may decide, they don’t care about the cost, sweet it under the rug.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
Worse than that:
McQueary (and Paterno) provided the testimony that led to the perjury charges for two administration officials. You can’t fire people when that happens without getting buried.
Fire a witness who might testify against two university senior administrators?
That would seem to be beyond stupid. But I’ve seen a lot of stupid in the past 72 hours.
Everything they've done is stupid
Firing Joe is stupid, but you can’t fire Joe and let Mike stay when the perceived wrong doing by both is exactly the same.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
by Rogue Nine on Nov 8, 2011 3:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Announcing a new head coach now
Would so tone deaf, that no rational human being would accept the job.
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gotta be some sort of interim thing
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
How do you
suppose the #1 coaching candidate is being wooed to signing a long term contract with a school void of a single, long term athletic employee? Who is contacting him? Every single person of power that has influence over the football team is either getting fired or getting the opportunity to walk away prior to being fired. No one at PSU is making phone calls to Urban Meyer’s agent right now. They have much, much bigger problems to deal with.
On another topic
Kevin Newsome just tweeted that he is in “Cali training and feeling better, ready to get back into football to be the best, and Praying for PSU.”
When you put those black shoes on tomorrow, and you put on that jersey without your name on the back, and you put that plain helmet on, that's tradition. Penn State tradition!
--Who else?
by run4peach on Nov 8, 2011 3:19 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I always liked Newsome...
"I don’t know who to believe – A used car salesman or the OSU Chief of Compliance."
-rahpsu92
ben
has come through again…students planning a night time rally at the paterno house hold….hope the media sends someone there
I'd have to agree with his assement
It’ll end up poorly somehow.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
Chris Fowler just said that the BOT
Has decided that this is Paterno’s last season.
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Yet Curley and Spanier are still employed
what the hell is wrong with people?
"I don’t know what he’s done differently, whether he’s eating differently or Sue is making him happier, but he’s definitely a different coach out there" Devon Still
by jman07 on Nov 8, 2011 3:34 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
How can Curley be allowed to take a leave?
But Paterno is being forced out?
This school is determined to do the exact opposite of anything that makes even a bit of sense.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
They aren't going to offer him a new contract.
He was more than likely done after the season anyway.
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Agreed.
But if they force him out before the year ends then they are a total joke.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
by EREX21 on Nov 8, 2011 3:36 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
My belief is that he resigns after the UNL game.
Then, hopefully, comes clean with his role in the whole thing.
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Yeah
They need to let him leave on his own terms (or at least give the appearance of it).
'Why would she have you meet her in a bar at ten in the morning?'
'I just figured she was a raging alcoholic'
While this may be true
what good is it doing at this point?
And as EREX said below me, if he isn’t around to coach the bowl game, the entire BOT and everybody in power at PSU is a total disgrace.
"I don’t know what he’s done differently, whether he’s eating differently or Sue is making him happier, but he’s definitely a different coach out there" Devon Still
Yes, but tying it to this scandal
… is so incredibly dumb, I can’t begin to think it through.
All they’re doing is encouraging Joe to explain how the Penn State administration is so screwed up that an allegation this bad can be buried.
by Bleed Blue 'n White on Nov 8, 2011 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
Which I hope he does. If they force him out then I can see him coming completely clean, at least, as much as he legally can and at that point PSU won’t be able to do shit about it.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
I cannot understand how people think Joe needs to resign, yet they don’t see the problem that even if everyone goes, you still have the question of how the hell was it even possible for an Athletic Director to bury a charge of child molestation occurring on University property?
That’s the much, much bigger problem for Penn State right now. Because it raises the question of “what other charges got buried?” Honestly if I were in the Attorney General’s office now, I’d be seriously thinking about a large-scale investigation into Penn State’s athletic department.
The fact that they haven’t come out and said “Tim Curley did not follow University procedures” just baffles me.
by Bleed Blue 'n White on Nov 8, 2011 3:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yes, you can't help but wonder...
is this an institutional problem and how deep does it go. even the possibility is very unnerving.
let's go state
People will bitch until there is no one left to bitch about. The public wants everyone gone. Right or wrong, it’s as simple as that.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Whatever
But Penn State should be more concerned about the fact that they let a god damned child molester continue bringing kids to their freaking University!
And the fact that Curley is still employed, and they’re talking about Paterno… WTF?
by Bleed Blue 'n White on Nov 8, 2011 3:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That last sentence is my biggest issue. It sounds to me like they are using the worst event in school history as a way to push what they wanted for probably a few years now. Finally, they have a way to push Joe out where the majority of people won’t disagree with it.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
worst event in school history as a way to push what they wanted for probably a few years now.
Nobody is doing this. The coverage on ESPN is essentially begging him to give them a rational explanation so they can forgive him.
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Really?
Can’t watch TWWL at work…but yesterday it seemed like they were out for Joe’s head.
"Every time you go to that cook-off you get drunk as a poet on payday!"
Matt Millen has been almost leading the coverage.
They interview OJ McDuffie, and Arrington over the course of the day. Herbstreit and Fowler were both very fair. They want an explanation. Shit, all I want is an explanation.
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I think Joe wants to give one
"Rabble rabble rabble; fire Joe; snarky meme; rude nickname; rabble rabble rabble
I honestly do too.
But if it’s not forthcoming soon, I don’t think it will be in time.
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well, they shut him down today
hopefully “the family” gets it done
I want to see Joe go rogue
"Rabble rabble rabble; fire Joe; snarky meme; rude nickname; rabble rabble rabble
by letsgopsu on Nov 8, 2011 4:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The guilty never want to speak
whether it legally or morally.
Joe knows that he’s the only person who can set this straight as far as what he did or didnt do.
He’s going to tell us.
We will know.
Be patient.
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by Kunza on Nov 8, 2011 4:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
To be honest
with everything that has gone on, and everything that would continue to go on with the trial, I dont know how Joe could have coached after this anyways. He needed to step down regardless, just because I dont know how he would have handled all of his duties. I wish he would have been able to do it on his own however, and not have been forced out the door.
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The Columbus Dispatch reports that the Penn State football program has been sacked.
James Laurinaitis has been credited with 2.5 tackles on the scandal.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
by MainLion on Nov 8, 2011 3:36 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
i like these random jokes
kind of like the @GSpanierPSU twitter handle….has provided some moments of levity in the past few days w/o being insensitive.
let's go state
Oh God, Cory Giger is going all over national news. Great.
"When I put on my uniform, I feel I am the proudest man on earth."
-Roberto
by blackjackfishtaco on Nov 8, 2011 3:39 PM EST reply actions
Did they provide a stool for him to stand on?
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
I’m not sure if it’s in TMZ’s budget
"When I put on my uniform, I feel I am the proudest man on earth."
-Roberto
by blackjackfishtaco on Nov 8, 2011 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
Flounders
was on Lavar’s show, sucking up to him as hard as possible, asking him if he remembered meeting him while Flounders was writing some article on Lavar or something. Lavar was like “oh…yeah, I remember” but then never proceeded to call Bob by his name once, only calling him buddy or champ.
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…tears in his pillow tonight
" When you cross that Blue Line, you are mine...Across the Blue Line, it's all football. " " And what you need to do in your life is paint Blue Lines everywhere. " - Joe Paterno 2009
by BlueWhiteLife on Nov 8, 2011 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
I refuse to believe that Paterno did anything wrong until it is proven that he did, or he admits it.
Until that happens, I am going to give the man the 85 years of “benefit of the doubt” that I believe he has earned. I think its pretty F’d up that this fan base that talked so highly of Joe and of Penn State for so long is so quickly turning on him.
If I’m wrong, then everyone gets the sickest “I told you so” ever. Until then, shame on everyone for doubting him.
by RitterPSU on Nov 8, 2011 3:42 PM EST reply actions 7 recs
This is not specific to you, but there are so many straw-man arguments here that it's kind of disingenuous.
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Definition please?
Im not ignoring facts. Im ignoring the lack of facts. Im ignoring the idiots who keep asking why something didnt happen without actually knowing that it didnt happen. Im ignoring the assumptions that everyone is feasting on because at this point they are thirsty for blood.
Like I said, I will believe it when the facts are there, or Paterno admits it, until then, no.
by RitterPSU on Nov 8, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
In your post...
that this fan base that talked so highly of Joe and of Penn State for so long is so quickly turning on him.
I don’t think the fan base is turning on Paterno. I think some people have serious, and very valid concerns, about how he handled this situation. And until he says something, those questions will fester and remain unanswered. 3/4 of this blog thinks I’ve turned on Joe Paterno. Nobody I know does.
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by jesse. on Nov 8, 2011 3:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't...
think you’ve turned on Joe Paterno. You’ve had reasoned points, some of which i agree with and some I don’t.
Every insult does not require a response.
by Esteban d' Amur on Nov 8, 2011 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
seconded
people are tossing around way too many accusations about each other.
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The main accusation is that he didn't make a 60 second phone call to the cops. That's it.
We play tackle football.
Stop acting as if it's so simple
There are plenty of people who, when they encounter sexual abuse in the workplace, contact their superior.
And there are plenty of workplaces where this is considered what you have to do in order to not piss off the boss.
by Bleed Blue 'n White on Nov 8, 2011 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
Simple!!??
MM sees a 60 y.o. former coach anally raping a 10 y.o. boy in a PSU shower.
What does MM do? Leaves the victim with the rapist, goes to his office and calls his dad.
What should of MM done? Knocked the rapist into next week, removed the victim to a safe place, and called the cops. Pretty fucking simple to me.
by Stay thirsty, my friends. on Nov 8, 2011 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
If it was so damn simple it would have been done.
There was a reason it wasn’t and Joe deserves we know that reason before we accuse him of not caring enough.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
Something messed, up there was supposed to be a message after
And not posted twice…
anyway, the message:
If it was do damn simple it would have been done.
There was a reason, that we haven’t been told yet why it wasn’t and Joe deserves us to find that out before we accuse him of not caring.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
And it didn't post twice...
Shakes fist at the interwebs.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
MM decisions upon witnessing the rape have nothing to do with Joe.
I can’t for the life of me fathom how a man could witness something like that and not act immediately to protect the child.
MM failure to do what’s decent and right tells me MM has some serious moral failings.
I’ll wait for what JoePa has to say, but MM is POS in my book.
by Stay thirsty, my friends. on Nov 8, 2011 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
PTSD is real
Witnessing rape can be a traumatic experience. Not sure Bellanca is wrong about it, and not sure that his comment warranted your sarcastic response
You are really an asshole, or extremely ignorant, for saying that.
We are not brought up to witness, and hear, what was going on in that shower.
We play tackle football.
Let's assumme McQ has PTSD for what, 9 years now.
You think McQ is getting counseling? On meds?
What about the 10 y.o. boy he walked away from. How do you think he’s doing?
I don’t care about McQ, he failed at being a man, period.
by Stay thirsty, my friends. on Nov 8, 2011 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
Well, sir.
I think I’ve made myself quite unpopular discussing who I think the real victims are here.
But I am sympathetic to McQ, because he has testified that he stumbled into a depraved and horrifying situation that no good person is prepared to witness.
We play tackle football.
I agree with you here Bellanca
do I think he could have and wish he had done more? yes, but I can’t really blame him and I can not fathom what it was like to see those things and how you cope with that.
WE'RE DANCIN!!!
I can't.
If McQ intervenes and calls the police in 2002, none this happens now.
by Stay thirsty, my friends. on Nov 8, 2011 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
It really is one fucked up mess all around.
In a way it’s all rather surreal. Makes one question everything.
by Stay thirsty, my friends. on Nov 8, 2011 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
I'm serious, good luck when you are in the shit. It's not so easy.
Now, sitting in an office and hearing horrifying news? That’s easy.
We play tackle football.
Don't forget re: McQ
He grew up in State College and went to school with Sandusky’s kids. He wasn’t just some random ex-coach, or even a famous ex-coach. He was someone knew growing up.
by elefantstn on Nov 8, 2011 5:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That's getting missed by some people, especially in the MSM
This story is ripping up State College. Everybody is three steps to Joe Paterno, and if your between 20-40 you went to High School with at least one person involved in this.
Weinraub grew up a five minute walk from my house.
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The fact that you think saying who the real victims are
is the thing that’s made you unpopular is, again, insulting. Nobody disagrees with this, and everyone has expressed this at some point in the last 4 days of making comments.
The thing that makes you unpopular is either 1. getting on a high horse and pretending you’re the only person who has ever felt sympathy for the real victims or 2. antagonizing in about 5 different ways. I can’t believe that you really don’t understand why people think you’re being an asshole.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
Actually, I don't.
Since I’m from Iowa and work in DC, I’m used to people making arguments before issuing their personal insults. Which you haven’t made. And second, because nothing I’ve said on this blog, starting with the ‘chain of command’ BS dustup last weekend, has been shown to be wrong.
Would you like to bet me that McQ. has not received counseling, or does not need it?
Feel free. All this stuff is going to come out at trial, unless PSU issues the mother of all settlements, and I don’t think the commonwealth will allow that.
We play tackle football.
The fact that I think you meant to reply to a different comment
says a lot about how responsive it was to mine.
I was responding to your very passive-aggressive, indirect insult to everyone on this board that we aren’t being sympathetic to the real victims and we’re only worried about our reputation or Paterno. Don’t act like you haven’t been doing this.
It’s insulting. And just because you couch it different ways doesn’t mean it’s not a personal insult.
I’m not making any arguments in this current comment thread at all, that’s why you haven’t seen them. I’m very happy that you’re from Iowa and work in DC, that’s really cool. I suppose your geographical background is relevant.
I mean really, read my comment again, and tell me your response makes much sense. I am not going to make any bets with you re:McQ, partially because I wasn’t even talking about that and partially because I mostly agree with you. Not sure if that matters to you.
Like The Dude said in Big Lebowski, “you’re not wrong, Bellanca. You’re just an asshole”
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
by OctaShields on Nov 8, 2011 5:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Failed at being a man????
Whoa, slow your roll there for a minute.
I posted this earlier, and I think it could use to be said again:
I understand both sides here While it’s easy for all of us to say he absolutely should have done this, there could have been a million things going through McCreary’s mind at the time, including, what kind of damage he could have done to Sandusky if his accusastion was wrong, not to mention that this would have torpedo’d MM’s career if the accusations were proven false.
Also, I’m pretty sure we don’t know what the real univerisy response to this was. It very well could have been, "Thank you Mike for bringing this serious accusation to us. We assure you that we will conduct a full & thorough invesetigation, that involves all the proper parties. For your protection, and for the integrity of this investigation, we need you to remain absolutely silent while we work behind the scenes."
If a 22 y/o grad assistant hears something like that from the AD & university affairs people, I can imagine that he felt keeping quiet & letting the authorities do their work was the best course.
by MSUDersh on Nov 8, 2011 5:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Q
What I’m saying is, we know MM went to his superiors in the athletic dept. And we know there was follow up by them with him. He’s 22 years old. I think you can give him a pass if it comes out that he reported it to the proper internal channels, and the fail was on them to not go to John Q. Law. He did what he was supposed to do. Sure he could have done more, and at the same time, he did escalate it.
Hypothetical - You see a rape in progress.
Quick, what do you do?
Leave the victim with rapist, go to your office, call your Dad, then tell your boss about what you saw the next day or do something immediately to stop the crime in progress. A crime involving a child, a 10 y.o. boy.
by Stay thirsty, my friends. on Nov 8, 2011 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
From my understanding of the GJ report
Sandusky and the boy fled when they were discovered. At that point MM would have had to chase them down and find them.
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Nope. McQ was the one that ran away.
“The graduate assistant was shocked but noticed that both Victim 2 and Sandusky saw him. The graduate assistant left immediately, distraught.”
by Stay thirsty, my friends. on Nov 8, 2011 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
my mistake then
I had a hard time reading through that part.
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Hypotheticals are nice & all,
But are very different from real life, and how people will act and react in real life situations.
Arguing how people will act via a hypothetical is like talking about how stuff should work “in theory.” It’s fun, but pointless.
Think about it – in theory, communism works. Knowwhatimean?
by MSUDersh on Nov 8, 2011 5:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What's with all the Iowa fans coming here to share your "I would..." stories?
Harvest over?
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
It's raining here, can't get the combine in the fields.
That and it’s the end of an era for PSU. Sad really.
by Stay thirsty, my friends. on Nov 8, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
Get out the tracked CAT already.
Rain is a poor excuse.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
So so many tough guys out there
so many tough guys who on the internet with the benefit of knowing how the situation actually played out who say “sure id do it differently.”
You know why they get to say it? cause we dont know if they would or not. in fact, THEY dont know if they would or not. Because they have never, and god willing, will never be put in that awful situation. the toughest decision most people who talk like this have ever made is “do i want onion rings or fries with my #3 with cheese?”
by swiggy04 on Nov 8, 2011 4:36 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
I'll have onion rings.
I take it you’ve never saved someones life or watched someone die.
by Stay thirsty, my friends. on Nov 8, 2011 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
Most people haven't
Is this news to you?
by kijana's acl on Nov 8, 2011 5:15 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I’ve had my life saved. A bunch of tables nearly decapitated me at work. Thankfully I was saved by 1 man…while ~20 others watched in disbelief at what was happening. It only takes 1 person to maintain their poise in that situation. Unfortunately, that person is extremely rare.
What’s my point? I can’t completely fault MM for being so shocked he didn’t know what to do.
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by blackjackfishtaco on Nov 8, 2011 5:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
no but go ahead and tell how me you have
and i will then feel free to second guess the decisions you made at that exact and very specific time, and nitpick the shit out of you because i would have done it differently.
He did set up an appointment with the guy who oversees the police,
without getting into whether or not he should have actually called police or whether you think that is the right course of action or not. It can be easily seen how thinking that getting the person who saw it first hand to talk to someone who oversees the police is sufficient and possibly even above and beyond.
WE'RE DANCIN!!!
The Executive Vice President of Finance and Adminstration
Is. Not. the Police.
Nobody on the outside of this things that. Accept that reality, even if you don’t agree with it.
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to someone in paterno's position
he is the police…should he have started lower? probably but also, mcqueary should have gone to the police since his was an eye-witness account
let's go state
In this situation though Jesse.
Would he have the power to make sure the full resources of the police department were thrown at this heinous crime?
"This is being a Penn State fan. We’ll prove it, or we won’t. It’s not about proving it to them, it’s about proving to ourselves."
I'm not saying he is the police.
People have made that point over and over. I am saying that if I was in that situation I would have thought, right or wrong, that he was a good person to go to and probably better than the police. And I can’t blame Paterno for sending him there even if it was a mistake.
WE'RE DANCIN!!!
That point
being that he is not technically police, not that he is police
WE'RE DANCIN!!!
He is neither the police...
…nor is he technically the police. He is in fact not the police.
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I have no idea what he is,
so I will agree with you and say he is in no way police. That is beside the point of my argument. Which is, I would have thought he was the correct person to go to, as would have many others. I can’t fault Joe for thinking he is the right person to go to, because if he had done what he was supposed to it would have worked out. He had an important role with the police and would assuredly be able to get things done if he wanted to.
WE'RE DANCIN!!!
He was a very high level member of the Penn State Administration.
The head of University Police, among many others, would have reported to him on budgetary issues.
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Do you know Penn State's policies on this?
I don’t.
Maybe the policies actually flat say “go to the head of your department and the VP of Administration.”
by Bleed Blue 'n White on Nov 8, 2011 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
We had this discussion over the weekend.
The PSU consensus was that there’s a “chain of command” and a superseding authority to the cops on campus. And that is blather.
We play tackle football.
It doesn't matter if it's blather
If those were the policies in place, that’s what you do.
I don’t understand why people are lambasting Joe for not going outside of what he’s supposed to do. He was in his mid-70s, for crying out loud. Other than coaching football kids, I’m perfectly happy if he defaults to University policy on everything else.
by Bleed Blue 'n White on Nov 8, 2011 4:30 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Because it's Joe Paterno.
I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. But this hurts so bad because it’s. Joe. Paterno. He’s SUPPOSED to go above and beyond. And I sincerely hope that when all this clears, it turns out that that is exactly what he did.
Sigh
This is the main thing I’m seeing. That honestly, they want a guy to step down because he’s not their dreamlike image of him.
by Bleed Blue 'n White on Nov 8, 2011 4:56 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I don't want him to step down.
Not at all. But it will be devastating to me if it turns out that all Joe did to prevent a tragedy like this was kick it up the chain to his boss. I don’t think he deserves to be fired over it, not at all. But it is extremely disappointing IF it turns out he did nothing.
Why is that devastating?
Because it makes him mortal? Because he didn’t realize that this was going to be a disaster?
There are tons of people who did the same thing. One on this blog, in fact. It’s not disappointing that a guy you have tremendous respect for was average in one instance. It doesn’t mean that the other reasons you have respect for him aren’t still perfectly valid. He puts his pants on one leg at a time like the rest of us.
I’m not trying to diminish things, but honestly, if you read the Grand Jury report, Paterno’s apparent part in all of this is so tiny. There are so many other people in that report who also could’ve said something but didn’t, that criticizing one of the few people who did say something, but not enough, seems really, really silly.
by Bleed Blue 'n White on Nov 8, 2011 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
Was he not head of the University Police Department at the time though?
I’m not understanding how that doesn’t constitute police?
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as Bunk and McNulty would say.
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by Esteban d' Amur on Nov 8, 2011 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
"Accept that reality"?
Jesus, that’s completely twisted.
How about decide for ourselves what’s true or reasonable, without regards to playing debate club on the internet?
his job is overseeing campus police
how that makes him not the police i dont know. Further, according to their website, Penn State’s police department is solely responsible for all law enforcement. They have 46 armed officers with the same exact police power as the State College PD.
Therefore you have Joe Paterno telling the guy who oversees the police department with direct jurisdiction over the location of the alleged assault. I dont know how State College PD would have acted any differently than the unit with jurisdiction and the same statutory powers? Joe went to the police, like it or not. The police didnt file a report or ask for outside assistance.
by swiggy04 on Nov 8, 2011 4:43 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Every university department that receives money answers to him
He is not a cop.
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No hes not a "cop"
he has no badge and doesnt walk the beat. He is part of the police though. no denying that. If he oversees the police, he is part of the police. Tim Curley decided he was the man that needed to be in that meeting. Do I think he needed to be there because of his fincance background, or because of his police connection?
I mean just cause he isnt officer Gary Schultz doesnt mean he has no association with the police whatsoever. He is not a cop. He is the police though.
He set up AN APPOINTMENT.
Now, imagine you are the parent of that child. Does AN APPOINTMENT with a conflicted party salve your concerns?
We play tackle football.
No.
No one’s arguing that it was handled in the best way. It absolutely should have been stopped immediately, and if not, as soon as possible.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
Concerning Joe, yes.
In that case what happened had already happened. At that point I would want him to go to the highest up the ladder possible with the police force and talk to them to get this the top priority. Which it appears to me is what Joe at least thought he was doing.
In the case of MM, yes I would want him to do more and call the police immediately. But when you get to second hand people this is to me acceptable. I would be mad at MM, I wouldn’t be mad at Joe (pending more details).
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by bigs26 on Nov 8, 2011 4:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Is the highly emotional state
of a parent whose child has been abused like this really the best place to look for rational thought?
The comments are not specifically aimed at you
Lets face it, the attention is 99% on Paterno. We can all say its because he is psu football, or he is psu, and all of that…but the bottom line is the attention is there because of the assumption that he didnt do enough. And that assumption is, in my opinion, is more of a stretch than assuming he did do enough. Because I am choosing to view Paterno from the spectrum of his entire career and life. And not one incident in which we dont yet know all the facts about.
ben jones update
i am pretty sure he has gained at least 1k followers on twitter today…or about 100%
let's go state
Stupid work
blocks twitter access…then again, do I really want the news right now?
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no good updates recently tho....
just calling out espn for false statements about the pc cancellation and curley’s employment status
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by 424E. on Nov 8, 2011 3:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
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Keep the truth!
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by mikeissurreal on Nov 8, 2011 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
I hope he didn’t have much in the way of classes/schoolwork today because it probably won’t get done.
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by blackjackfishtaco on Nov 8, 2011 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
Forget schoolwork
he earned himself a job with his work today.
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by skarocksoi on Nov 8, 2011 3:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He now has over 4200 followers!!
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My opinion is apparently not very popular, but here it goes....
1) JoePa should be allowed to finish out the season and resign. His contact is up and in no way does it get renewed. I agree he could have done more (just like many others) and as a result, children were abused (as the GJ claims).
2) JoePa deserves to have his word to the media. Right now, it appears as if the the University has put a gag order on him and completely hung him out to dry. This is simply not fair.
3) Related to 2) Spanier pledged unconditional support for the alleged perjurers. Meanwhile, no vote of confidence for Joe. Hell, he hasn’t even made a media appearance yet. This is why I believe Spanier needs to go now.
by Artiefufkin10 on Nov 8, 2011 3:52 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
As a technical note
Finishing out your contract and not getting it renewed isn’t resigning. It’s just your contract ending.
I don’t think Joe has to resign at all. The entire failure here is administrative. It’s easy enough to say Joe should’ve done more, but the entire reporting procedure worked fine, straight up to Curley.
by Bleed Blue 'n White on Nov 8, 2011 3:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Not just your opinion
If you pay attention to the prosecutor’s press conference yesterday, she said Paterno cooperated and “is not a target” but re: Spanier “no comment.” GIGANTIC difference.
How can he roll on Paterno?
The only thing Paterno could have done that was illegal was not report what he heard to Curley (not even sure that he has a legal requirement to do that, since he didn’t actually witness it).
"Horsing Around"
Of the people who would say this phrase, the most likely is Joe Paterno. What if he says that Joe Paterno minimized what he told Curley, and he didn’t think it was that big a deal as a result?
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I don't see why he should have sensed that...
if he felt Joe minimized it, then why wouldn’t Joe just dismiss it at his level?
All these questions, and more, I hope are answered.
by Artiefufkin10 on Nov 8, 2011 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
The impression I get
Is that Joe Paterno wanted this off his desk before it even got on it, so he pushed directly to Curley. How he explained it to Curley would have a pretty big influence on how Curley saw it coming from McQueary.
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Where do you get that impression from?
If he wanted it off his desk, he would’ve just stopped McQueary and told him to go find Curley himself.
by Bleed Blue 'n White on Nov 8, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
I think this is pretty close to what actually happened.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
I said earlier
That I feel 100% better if Joe Paterno had done as little as counsel McQuerey to do something as simple as contact a lawyer.
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by Bleed Blue 'n White on Nov 8, 2011 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
Christ, he made at best
Two fucking phone calls. He did get Nasser and Begin to Camp David.
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Look, you know what you should’ve done. What makes you think that Paterno knew to do anything other than contact his superior?
You’ve already stated you’re amazed that most people don’t know what to do. But guess what? That’s the world you live in. It really looks like you’re getting pissed at Paterno being mortal.
by Bleed Blue 'n White on Nov 8, 2011 4:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm exceptionally pissed off that Joe Paterno is mortal.
I want him to be the guy who solved this problem, not the guy who is just less at fault. I think that’s what he’d want of me. I’ve always assumed that to be the case.
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by jesse. on Nov 8, 2011 4:22 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
You're right.
It’s an assumption I’ve made for more than 25 years. I tried to teach my son, What does Joe Paterno want you to do…the answer is do your best. That’s what I’ve always thought.
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And all im saying
Is just wait. Lets hear the facts. If Joe didnt do his best, then I cant argue with you.
I think your anger
is just more directed to the fact that the problem wasn’t solved. They aren’t all solvable. They all look solvable in hindsight. It seems so ridiculously simple.
But you know what would’ve been even more ridiculously simple? If Tim Curley had done his damned job.
Then, oddly enough, you still have your high opinion of Joe. So I can’t figure out why Tim Curley’s actions make your opinion of Joe lower.
by Bleed Blue 'n White on Nov 8, 2011 4:27 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Maybe this will help you...
Tim Curley is a flaccid little weasel that will burn in hell. He’s done more damage to this University than I thought one person was possible too.
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Rec'ing this
They all look solvable in hindsight. It seems so ridiculously simple.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
Yeah, that's what I meant
I’m saying Paterno diagnosed it as something that needed to be looked into by the people in position to handle those things. That might be below what we’d expect of Paterno, but isn’t it possible that he honestly believed that was the best thing to do?
Something like that you get someone to tell the HEAD of the department and the HEAD of the police, you don’t drop a dime in a payphone and call the dispatcher. I don’ t know. Maybe we will soon.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
You know,
let me clue you into something. Rape is murder. When a person is raped, he/she loses something never to return. Contacting the “head of the department” is not an appropriate response to murder.
We play tackle football.
Yeah...lay off the crazy pills
No one is downplaying how terrible the acts are that Sandusky is accused of committing, but seriously…
I don't even know what to say to you
Do you think I disagree with your sentiment, hyperbole aside? What are you trying to do?
And again, you’re totally assuming that he KNEW it was about rape. Read my last two sentence, and try writing ONE thing where you can include those two sentences – they are the only objective thing here.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
Like I said before,
there are actually two categories of people commenting on this situation:
Category A) people who have been damaged as children, people whose children have been damaged, and people who (professionally) work with damaged children.
Category B) everyone else.
Category A) is clearly in the minority.
If you see someone being raped, call the cops. End of story. If someone who works for you says that someone you know was raping somebody on the company property, call the cops. The cops will take it seriously. Bad people will be located and locked up.
We play tackle football.
As someone who purports to be in group A
you sure do have a simplistic view on the matter
The easiest thing to do here is stop McQueary from getting too far into it.
Then call Curley, and then do nothing else. I have not seen anything to contradict that this is what happened.
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No, the easiest thing to do
is to tell McQueary to go find Curley himself.
by Bleed Blue 'n White on Nov 8, 2011 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
Not if you want to comply with the law.
Paterno is every bit the mandatory reporter Curley is. He had to pass it up the line at a bare minimum.
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How is telling him to go find Curley not passing it up the line?
by Bleed Blue 'n White on Nov 8, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
It's what he himself said.
If he wants me to work with some different information than he needs to give me some. There are ton of people that want to give the guy the benefit of the doubt, help us out.
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Heres the thing.
If I’m wrong, then I was just naive to hope that Paterno can still be held to the moral standards we used to believe.
If youre wrong, then youre just an asshole.
I would rather bleed blue and white for at least a couple more days.
by RitterPSU on Nov 8, 2011 4:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Is there anything wrong with putting your 'work' on hold
Until you receive that ‘different information’?
Or does that violate the Internet Terms of Service?
by jtothep on Nov 8, 2011 4:20 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
jtot
The University is burning on National Television right now. That’s not my fault. The only person that can stop it is Paterno. I’m just some guy writing on a blog. I am not the problem here.
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Like I said below.
I think Paterno just has to offer us an explanation. And I disagree, I think constantly trying to explain this away is what’s going to kill us. Accepting that mistakes were made is the only way out of this.
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Jesse. I'm curious as to your stance re: my above comment.
Is it unreasonable to assume that bringing in the person in charge of overseeing the campus police would not in fact possibly get this case more support and resources under normal circumstances.
"This is being a Penn State fan. We’ll prove it, or we won’t. It’s not about proving it to them, it’s about proving to ourselves."
It's possible that this is true.
It is also possible that it was the instrumental failure that led to this seeing the light of day for 9 years.
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Well, that's a pretty freakin HUGE factor though.
In regards to holding him morally culpable. If the guy that had the ability to get this wrapped ASAP is the reason it got blocked for 9 years, I feel it’s fair to point that Joe may have in fact done everything morally responsible.
"This is being a Penn State fan. We’ll prove it, or we won’t. It’s not about proving it to them, it’s about proving to ourselves."
In HINDSIGHT
when nothing was done by the people in position to do something after a year or so, Joe should have sensed that they hadn’t done their jobs correctly, seen through their report that nothing had been produced through investigation and informed someone else to get a new, independent investigation started.
If that’s the standard anyone ever holds me to in life, I will have been a great man.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
by OctaShields on Nov 8, 2011 4:43 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
And that's the thing
As far as we know right now, he didn’t do that. And assuming he saw Sandusky around Lasch every once in a while, you’d think he would have had plenty of reminders. That’s why people are upset, and unless Joe can show that he attempted to do more, people are going to keep calling for his head.
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by Bloodpunch's Barbasol on Nov 8, 2011 9:56 PM EST up reply actions
You're a douchebag.
Personal attack.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
by MainLion on Nov 8, 2011 9:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
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Yeah, but hold your horses
He’s actually coaching practice right now. When he is able to tell his story, he will. He has expressed that he wants to, but hasn’t had an opportunity.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
Ok. So I mean that’s the problem, then — Spanier and the administration are hanging him out to dry, and his only option is to abandon what is his final football team. I can understand that figuring this out doesn’t run on internet time.
The University, and I'm sure it's lawyers...
Didn’t want to have that press conference. So they cancelled it.
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Right. Are we arguing here? I’m responding to “The only person that can stop it is Paterno.” by saying that Paterno’s hands are tied by the administration. They are the people who can stop it, not him.
He can schedule his own...
and let the chips fall where they may.
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That would certainly be a risk.
The ESPN crawl says he hopes to have a presser tomorrow.
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What does Joe have left to lose?
Fuck it — open fire.
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the respect of the current team
since he is still their coach, and probably told them to fight through adversity .. so when things get difficult he bails? not that they might not understand .. but the example only supports more of the crap folks are trying to fling on him, which is never what he stands for
"Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good."
Joe Paterno
I guess it depends on how
one defines fighting through adversity. If Joe is on sound ground (and I have yet to see anything firm to suggest that he isn’t), then standing up and answering questions until the last dog dies would seem to me an admirable lesson for our team.
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by SubLime on Nov 8, 2011 5:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You know what?
I can ultimately see Joe decided to talk and getting fired while taking out the garbage on Curley and Spanier. I think it might be the sort of thing he would want, going out doing the right thing. It would be a Joe Pa move if he knows he won’t be allowed to keep the team much longer anyway.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
Paterno can talk any time he wants.
He is old, he is free, he has money in the bank, and he’s going to be in deposition the rest of his life anyway. There is NOTHING preventing him from talking, other than obeisance to an organization that has already, catastrophically, failed.
We play tackle football.
Except the team
If they fire him, he loses that.
by elefantstn on Nov 8, 2011 4:45 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Or what about what's important to the current players?
Which I believe is staying on through the rest of the season.
Another thing I just thought of
If he divulges some information could it in anyway lessen the chances of getting convictions of those being charged with crimes?
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
not a lawyer .. but ..
i’d say it is possible .. but i don’t know all the details .. no one does .. until they come out, the suppositions are silliness that should not be indulged in .. until we get the truth from joe
"Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good."
Joe Paterno
he’s going to be in deposition the rest of his life anyway
Hhah what?
Also, you clearly still have no idea how this works, do you?
You don't need a deposition for every suit.
One is sworn testimony. Perhaps if there are little details from victim to victim, he’ll have one hour deps occasionally. But the reality is that between this criminal trial and, presumably, one civil trial, his depositions will be done.
So, he won’t be in deposition for the rest of his life.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
Sad but needs to be said
“rest of his life”
Doesn’t mean the same to an 80-something year old as it does to say me, a 23 year old. I have quite a bit of time to plan on.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
Well, let's just see.
Because there isn’t going to be one civil suit, obviously.
Man, I’m glad I’m not your client, because you never get around to making arguments.
We play tackle football.
Even if there are 1,000,
you have his testimony from the first. Unless Joe saw each and every time Sandusky touched a child, then Joe’s role is limited to what he did in the course and scope of his employment—which does not change from the beginning year to the ending year.
FWIW, you could not afford my fees.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
Oh, that's funny, on the fee part.
But your insults are improving. At some point you’ll try to figure out what I do for a living and why I know what I’m talking about.
We both know that every individual plaintiff’s attorney will compel Paterno’s testimony.
We play tackle football.
You should just tell them you're a CEO
Everyone else points out if they are a lawyer and what not
by clay-born to party on Nov 8, 2011 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
I am too
(for about 3 weeks now). Feels good to say. Anyone got a job?
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
Congrats!!
Swearing-in in IL is this Thursday, have you already been sworn in in your jurisdiction?
Per jobs, I was fortunate enough to already be with an investments firm when I started law school, so was able to get a job in the UHNW area as a corp ttee when I graduated.
(in further reply to OctaShields)
But a lot of friends from LS who weren’t in my situation found early work doing doc review for $35/hr or so, until they found stuff more long-term. Just google “attorney staffing + (your city)” and stuff like that should come up. It’s good work if you want something to keep you busy & get income rolling in while you look for long term work.
Doing contract work
getting experience, but putting applications out. Figured I’d do something I could put on my resume instead of do doc review for now. Hopefully I lock something down soon.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
I'm
A teacher…..just saying!
by va2pennstate on Nov 8, 2011 5:26 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Compelling testimony at trial
is not sitting for a deposition. Nevertheless—
Even so, as to the actions of the University and its administration, you’d be foolish to assume prospective plaintiff’s attorneys would not use records/testimony previously established to prove their cases.
Hell, I’ve never looked into something like this, but a class action suit against the University, with separate damages hearings/trials, would accomplish the testimony all in one fell swoop.
As an aside, I don’t care what you do for a living.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
That's good news, because it means you won't be calling on me asking for business.
There won’t be a single class action suit here, unless there is some Angelos-type mega-dude with pull in Penna, and I wouldn’t know if there is. I expect 50 individual lawsuits and I pity Joe his sunset years answering the same questions 50 times.
We play tackle football.
You pity Joe?
what about the real victims? Why did you not mention the real victims?
/taste of one’s own medicine.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
by OctaShields on Nov 8, 2011 5:20 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Thank you.
But what do I know?
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
a gag order wouldnt do that?
really? would be in MORE trouble for violating that, wouldnt’isnt that part of a grand jury proceeding? shaddup till we sort it out via legal process, then air it all?
"Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good."
Joe Paterno
gag order would be issued by the judge
to wit, none has been issued so far. but rest assured lawyers are advising him what he can or cannot say.
Problem is that all that testimony about who said what's already been given
No way for Curley to go back and change his mind now.
Additionally, even if that were the case, I don’t think it’s a crime, so it’s not like the prosecutors would be leaning on him to change his mind and give contradictory testimony.
I thought McQ spoke to Curley and Shultz directly?
Why would it matter what Joe said?
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
It might.
Paterno has a lot of credibility, if it were passed up as though he didn’t think it were serious, then the allegations might not be treated seriously.
This is 1] all speculation and 2] does nothing to absolve Tim Curley.
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Wait
Dude, I’m respecting your viewpoint, but don’t read a specific GJ report and say “it might”. McQuery spoke directly to them. Joe’s attitude or lack thereof really doesn’t come into issue here.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
It's more explanation than excuse.
But if it got out that Paterno didn’t take the allegations seriously, that would be pretty devastating information, no?
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if McQ said it to the grand jury
(and that was pretty graphic), I bet he said it to Curley
"Rabble rabble rabble; fire Joe; snarky meme; rude nickname; rabble rabble rabble
McQ had some time to think about what to say to the GJ
Only he knows what he said or didnt say back in 2002.
Predicting Penn State's Offensive Scripts since 2005!
Et tu Brute?
Pretty sure Curley has/had that job because of Joe. Would be interesting though.
by Artiefufkin10 on Nov 8, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
Dont see it as Joe informed his superiors which apparently
is all the law required. At some point in the chain, somebody had to get the police involved….if Curley told Schultz and Schultz told Spanier, then Spanier would have had to seen to it that the police were brought in… apparently that was not done… so this looks like it rolls up to Spanier by the letter of the Law… perhaps why the “NC” by the Attorney… and the gag today from Spanier…
I understand the governor is getting involved.. does anybody know if the governor has authority to replace the Board of Trustees if they fail to act?
I agree with it
though I think we’ll find out if #1 was true or not in time.
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i think that is fairly inline w/everyone here
this might result in an argument about whether or not joe could do more….but i tend to agree….he is psu football and athletics and it seems that these institutions did not do enough, so subsequently it seems he did not do enough.
he is a victim of his own unique ethos which he worked so hard to apply to this university
let's go state
So is anyone else here think the Penn State hired the wrong Paterno as the QB Coach?
Totally meant to lighten the mood. But I can’t help and wonder.
Enough of this fucking blamestorming..
1) We need an explanation of how the process failed
2) And a plan to fix the process as soon as possible
I'm not rationalizing - I'm being totally irrational
by GoodOleDays on Nov 8, 2011 4:08 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Ben_Jones88:
RT @NateBauerBWI: Source reporting to BWI publisher Phil Grosz that BOT will meet tomorrow morning to discuss Graham Spanier’s status.
Frickin’ finally.
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by Rogue Nine on Nov 8, 2011 4:50 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
and then a follow up from BJ88
Looks like Spanier won’t make it to the weekend. Board of Trustees have little choice after their meeting tomorrow.
let's go state
by 424E. on Nov 8, 2011 4:50 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
This must happen.
"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
by SubLime on Nov 8, 2011 4:52 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Joe's going, no question there
But I want him to outlast Spanier, even if it’s only by hours
I suck 'em down like Coca-Cola.
agreed
also….as the AG was much less committal about saying there will be no more charges forthcoming when asked about spanier….you have to think the BOT wants to plan for the headlines
“Former PSU President Indicted on Perjury Charges” rather than “Current…”
let's go state
If he's not gone
the governor has to fire the entire Board
by '85Fan on Nov 8, 2011 5:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
ABC news has picked up on the Gricar missing person story
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/sandusky-investigator-center-mystery/story?id=14905668#.TrmayEMUqdA
"my dad says Michigan used to be good"
what if....
this gricar character didn’t actually die and turns up in the next few days….
reality is always stranger than fiction
let's go state
by 424E. on Nov 8, 2011 5:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well if there is one positive out of this
It’s that 100 Days to THON is tomorrow.
Hopefully the national media can pick up a few seconds on that. (HUB 11 AM to 2 PM)
We have little tranquility but tons of tranquilizers.
That might sell a few papers
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
Can't wait to read Jay's next column
Wonder what the topic will be?
Herman Cain...
Whom we should thank for keeping this thing largely buried on CNN today. Imagine if we had a slow news cycle going.
"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
Made a twitter account just to follow Ben
Needs moar Dukes
Sean Lee is the only tolerable thing about the Cowboys
some gold coming out of there right now
Paterno seems to be speaking.
this guy has some good stuff too: @JoeMcIntyre5
let's go state
I need to stop reading that
I’m at work getting teary eyed.
Couldn’t he have just told everybody to get off his yard like he was supposed to?
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
by Rogue Nine on Nov 8, 2011 6:39 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Thats how he ended it
“Thank you for your support…now get offa my lawn.”
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by skarocksoi on Nov 8, 2011 6:43 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Hello
Do mobs with pitch forks, torches, shotguns and a noose go looking for Sandusky if Joe Pa is gone?? That man may not make it to trial. Don’t do it PSU fans. Only make a bad situtation that mch worse.
I hope we get to play saturday, but have a feeling that there may not be a game.
Go Huskers!! 94 Huskers!!
I wouldn't worry about that too much.
I think there will be a game.
Luring recruits with my new "Posting HD" scheme since '08.
This wasn't unexpected I think:
Fox 29 has learned the number of child-abuse in the Penn State sex-abuse scandal involving ex-coach Jerry Sandusky has more than doubled in the past day, and is closer to 20 victims
.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
This is going to bankrupt the University.
Every single one person that got molested after 2002 has a cause of action against Penn State.
Works on contingency? No, money down!
If it did not bankrupt the Catholic Church, it won't bankrupt the University.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
Yeah...
The Catholic Church only has like 1,000 times more money.
Works on contingency? No, money down!
Actually, it was/is insured.
As is the University.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
I was just talking to my mom about this. It’s one of these worst parts when things like this break. How do you tell who was actually abused versus who is looking for a handout? Or who is able to string together a strong enough fake story? I really hate that I have this cynical view, but at the same time can’t help it.
"When I put on my uniform, I feel I am the proudest man on earth."
-Roberto
by blackjackfishtaco on Nov 8, 2011 7:04 PM EST up reply actions
I said this the other day and was accused of "blaming the victims".
I called it being realistic.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
Anyone who would falsify a story
Is doing a lot of harm to the actual victims.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
He's been doing this since 1970's.
It’s realistic that number of victims could eclipse a 100.
Works on contingency? No, money down!
by jesse. on Nov 8, 2011 7:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Wow, I wish he could have gotten help
I wish he would have SOUGHT help.
It’s very clear that he had serious psychological issues that allowed him to act on these terrible impulses, yet still lead a normal – actually, extraordinary – life in the public eye.
In addition to some sort of reform about institutional reporting and/or general reporting requirements and massive (and sorely needed) educational campaigns about child abuse and molestation, there need to be more resources dedicated to people with this kind of mental sickness that have these impulses. Some kind of counseling so that these sick people can get some sort of counseling and support so they can overcome whatever wiring in their brain makes them want to do these things.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
How about
we line them up and castrate them?
No matter what you think about the current situation, support the players, they deserve our respect.
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Our Ben Jones
might be on the Scott Van Pelt show tomorrow. Representing BSD
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Why isn't The Second Mile getting more flak?
Did Sandusky not meet these kids through the foundation?
Sandusky started the foundation, so I think a lot of people unfamiliar
are writing off the whole charity as an organ used by him to do his evil. But it had grown to be pretty large, and helped and served a LOT of people, legitimately. But they had a leadership structure as well. It SHOULD still be getting a lot of flak. If there were people at Penn State who should have been aware, there were most certainly people within that organization.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
This...
The reason Second Mile isn’t getting flak is because Joe isn’t associated with it.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
Another reason they should be getting flak
PSU’s counsel in 1998 was also 2nd Mile’s counsel. PSU’s counsel is one of the very few individuals at PSU that knew about the SCPD investigation in 1998. talk about someone not doing enough. this office should have raised a huge red flag, along with Schultz, who in his HR and UP Police position also knew of the 1998 investigation. These are the two that completely dropped the ball for PSU.
My grammer skills need improved.
good luck
ben!!! rep BSD well- what’s his twitter handle again?
Ben_Jones88
No matter what you think about the current situation, support the players, they deserve our respect.
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Please, no one listen to 93.7 The Fan
Pittsburgh sports radio. Wow biggest idiot ever Andrew Fillipponi
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At least the BoT might have a clue
“We’re making sure we put processes in place so that we never have anyone in a position of trust ever violate young boys ever again. It’s just shameful what happened. We need to focus not on football, not on Paterno or any of that crap. It’s about putting systems, procedures, checks and balances in place so this can never happen ever again.” – Penn State trustee Paul Silvis
http://www.centredaily.com/2011/11/08/2979155/trustee-board-to-meet-tonight.html#ixzz1dArVHiCv
Well said.
although in many ways procedures don’t need to be put in place, but to be simplified or made more direct.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
Paper trails
Will probably be the main outcome. Perhaps making multiple people responsible for the reporting so things can’t be covered up as easily (though two were involved in this one). System wide training on how to handle these reports as well.
yeah, they are great after the fact too.
Schultz is/was the treasurer of the BOT and knew of the 1998 investigation. Wonder what board members might have known and when they might have known it. Maybe Joe’s meeting to have JS step down in 99 was forced upon him by the board since there is a good chance they knew of the 98 investigation while Joe did not. Very few folks at PSU were told. schultz and the law offices knew which would make me thinkg the BOT knew since Schultz was HR, Police administrator and the money man for them with connections to the legal office.
My grammer skills need improved.
Pittsburgh is loving this. They are so fn sick
93.7 The Fan in Pittsburgh is by far the most irrational and dumbed down radio ever. Andrew Fillipponi, Chris Mueller are Jokes
Chris Mueller who is a PSU grad but is a Nebraska/Pitt fan is screaming (really, seriously) calling them idiots and jackasses (used that word) and other things. I AM SO FN FIRED UP!
http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/station/93-7-the-fan/
http://twitter.com/tmaluchnik
Someone posted this on Facebook
“On Saturday I will be rooting for Penn State.
I will be rooting for Matt McGloin, a former walk-on QB from West Scranton who scratched and clawed his way to the top of the depth chart.
I will be rooting for Silas Redd, one of the hardest working players in the nation.
… … … …
I will be rooting for Stephon Green, a kid who proves there is always a second chance.
I will be rooting for Joe Suhey, a so-called wasted legacy scholarship who has become a fine player.
I will be rooting for Quinn Barham, Johnnie Troutman, Deontae Pannell, and Chima Okoli, four seniors playing their last home game on the OLine.
I will be rooting for Andrew Sczerba, a player who has overcome a ridiculous amount of adversity in the past year just to be on the field one last time.
I will be rooting for Derek Moye, who risked further injury to play in one miraculous drive for 409.
I will be rooting for Devon Smith, so every undersized football player can see there is a chance for them too.
I will be rooting for Jack Crawford and Eric Latimore, because no matter how many times they got knocked down they kept on fighting.
I will be rooting for Devon Still, because dominance deserves respect.
I will be rooting for Nate Stupar, who showed everyone what the phrase next man up really means.
I will be rooting for Gerald Hodges, because we are Linebacker U.
I will be rooting for D’Anton Lynn, because he saw for a moment how quickly it could all be taken away, but he got back up.
I will be rooting for Chaz Powell, because he has worked hard for 5 years whether on offense, defense, or special teams.
I will be rooting for Adrian Amos, because I still have hope for the future.
I will be rooting for Anthony Fera, because sometimes you just have to step up and do it all.
Most importantly, I will be rooting for Penn State. Bad things have happened, and hopefully once all the facts are clear those who are responsible are given whatever punishment they deserve, but we are still a great university with a great tradition. And most importantly, these kids who will run out of the tunnel have nothing to do with this awful situation. Be upset with Jerry Sandusky, be upset with Tim Curley. If you must, be upset with Graham Spanier or Mike McQueary or even Joe Paterno. But don’t turn your back on these 18-23 year old young men who just want to go out and win a game."
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