Looking for a University Flowchart.
Hypothesis/Something I'm working on. I have written conformation that Tim Curley is Joe Paterno's immediate supervisor. I believe, that Schultz was Tim Curley's immediate supervisor.
The link is to a picture. I believe it shows the administrators are shown in order of their pecking order. Shultz's position is represented by Albert G. Horvath, Senior Vice President for Finance and Business/Treasurer, who held that job previously.
If anybody could help out here, we might be able to help the old man.
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Also, if you see the picture...
It is obviously is a picture of major university administrators. It says missing from picture, Athletic Director Tim Curley. It does not say missing from picture head football coach Joe Paterno.
I think this is a thing.
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by jesse. on Nov 8, 2011 9:09 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
The question sounds it, but please don't read the tone as snoody, it's not.
What does would this prove?
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
It would prove that there is an entire level of administration above Joe Paterno.
And that three members of it were aware of the charges. And the picture is the proof.
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I mean it's a document that shows what you've been arguing for three days.
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I'd be very eager to see a document
That allows me to ass-speak less.
A brief google search only turned up this:
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
Top governing body is the board of trustees
http://www.psu.edu/trustees/membership.html
those are the people in charge and at the top. That is the ultimate governing body. Spanier answers to them
If Joe Paterno walks, Graham Spanier better walk before him
Hope that helps
If Joe Paterno walks, Graham Spanier better walk before him
by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Nov 8, 2011 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
Then Spanier et al should have reported to them, right.
I’m trying to save Joe Paterno here. I just found a group of 20 assholes that make no secret of outranking Joe Paterno.
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by jesse. on Nov 8, 2011 9:27 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
I'm not 100% sure on how they operate
Sorry to use a political reference, but I think the Board of Trustees is like the president, and Spanier is like the General in charge of the war.
The General ultimately makes his own decisions, and has free reign.
If Joe Paterno walks, Graham Spanier better walk before him
by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Nov 8, 2011 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
Sort of unrelated, but:
DAVID R. JONES (2012) Assistant Managing Editor (Retired), The New York Times
WELL YA DON’T SAY WHO THE NY TIMES IN IS
If Joe Paterno walks, Graham Spanier better walk before him
by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Nov 8, 2011 9:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
According to the University Charter...
Tim Curley reports to Graham Spanier alone.
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That's what I'm seeing
here — the chart entitled University opens while the link labeled Provost’s Office requires a password.
"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
I tried to post the picture.
Schultz is actually below Curley. Football coach isn’t there.
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And under Schultz's responsibilites
University Police is listed last. The list in not in alphabetical order.
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The list mostly is
Auxiliary and Business
University Budget Office
Commonwealth operations
Corporate Controller
Finance and Business
Human Resources
Internal Audit
Investigative management
Physical plant
University Police
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
Right now.
I think were making good progress quantifying what were talking about.
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But his responsibility none the less
Ultimately, everyone there reports to him. Unless someone else has some responsibility over the University Police that doesn’t report to him? That wouldn’t be very logical though
'Why would she have you meet her in a bar at ten in the morning?'
'I just figured she was a raging alcoholic'
by psuphysicist on Nov 8, 2011 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
Logic?
I’m sorry, you seem to be unfamiliar with the world of academia…
"I don’t know who to believe – A used car salesman or the OSU Chief of Compliance."
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by leeharvey418 on Nov 8, 2011 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
Haha
Yea, thats why I inserted the last sentence in there. It really wouldn’t surprise me if 3 people somehow were the heads of the UP police
'Why would she have you meet her in a bar at ten in the morning?'
'I just figured she was a raging alcoholic'
by psuphysicist on Nov 8, 2011 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
I have the flow chart on PDF
In case it mysteriously disappears in the next few days.
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And if Tim Curley only reports to Gary Schultz, why is he there.
Gary C. Schultz
Senior Vice President for Finance & Business/Treasurer
He is responsible for Auxiliary & Business Services, Office of Corporate Controller, Commonwealth Operations, F&B at The Milton S. Hershey Medical Center, Office of Investment Management, Office of Human Resources, Office of Internal Audit, Office of Physical Plant, University Budget Office, and University Police. He reports to Graham Spanier and the Board of Trustees
Because he is the guy to see if you have to write a check. The victim in the 2002 incident remains anonymous.
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So the victim was paid off is what this would suggest.
But I would have to wonder, why? Why can’t they expose Sandusky in 2002?
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
The 2002 victim is unknown.
This is, from a Penn State prospective, the only one that matters.
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Of course
Schultz is also listed with internal audit and human resources. There are legit reasons he should be involved.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
Investigative management
would that be something pertinent too?
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I thought that moustache looked fishy
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by skarocksoi on Nov 8, 2011 10:10 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Also remember
He appears to be the only official that knew about the 1998 investigation
general counsel knew, too. who happened to be general counsel for 2nd mile too
My grammer skills need improved.
Possibly.
But if you bought the kid…. Use your imagination where that takes you in your testimony.
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Still don't know why you buy the kid
Sandusky is a former employee, you can only help your image by reporting it right away, the fallout would be pretty brief.
…But… to continue the thinking of this thread…
Maybe there is more importance in the 1998 investigation that we don’t know, hell, maybe it has to do with Gricar. And that bit of knowledge getting out would be an even bigger blow.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
We're working on it.
But so far we’ve not been able to come up with any connection between Gricar and the Second Mile.
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Gricar was working a pretty big drug ring connection at the time, too.
very big
My grammer skills need improved.
the picture...
also notes that the principal administrative areas includes athletics.
Every insult does not require a response.
I'll post it here first
FYI: names are being x-checked w/Sandusky’s Second Mile, and there are other older adult men with “curious” relationships. Only the start.
https://twitter.com/#!/dan_bernstein/status/134103234724896768
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Again,
give me a minute while I throw up.
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Is he just being a dick with his most recent Tweets?
Or did he actually find something. Napalm the town…classy.
"This is being a Penn State fan. We’ll prove it, or we won’t. It’s not about proving it to them, it’s about proving to ourselves."
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
I wonder what was on Gricar’s hard drive?
by penntatefan on Nov 11, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
Here is what I think we did here tonite.
We proved that there is a subset of University Officials, specifically the Presidents counsel, that includes Schultz, Spanier, and Curley and specifically did not include Paterno.
There is no doubt, that Curley and Schultz would be the persons who are responsible for the investigation, and the only two people who could cover it up.
I think the some of the things we came up with here tonight might actually help Paterno from a public prospective. I think that the picture and the flow chart will actually provide a physical manifestation of where he sent this problem, and why he did the right thing. It helped me a great deal.
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by jesse. on Nov 8, 2011 10:20 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
Yeah but
You posted it as a fanshot. No one reads these, so all is lost.
'Why would she have you meet her in a bar at ten in the morning?'
'I just figured she was a raging alcoholic'
by psuphysicist on Nov 8, 2011 10:25 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
I hope so
I’m glad that you posted this. It makes me feel much better about the prevailing theory that I was going with. Namely, Joe correctly reported it to the people in charge. He probably followed up. But when he got the same answer that the Second Mile got, namely, they investigated and found no wrong doing, he was satisfied that they had competently done their jobs.
Maybe thats not enough. For some people it definitely isn’t. I will continue my wait and see approach here though.
'Why would she have you meet her in a bar at ten in the morning?'
'I just figured she was a raging alcoholic'
by psuphysicist on Nov 8, 2011 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
I think this more firmly cements
That the people who were responsible for this had access to the information.
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Agreed
I guess I never really questioned that aspect of it. But you’re right that this puts the nail in the coffin so to speak.
'Why would she have you meet her in a bar at ten in the morning?'
'I just figured she was a raging alcoholic'
by psuphysicist on Nov 8, 2011 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
Send him an email!
Tom Bradley for offensive coordinator.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 8, 2011 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
DESPERATE TIMES CALL FOR DESPERATE MEASURES
Tom Bradley for offensive coordinator.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 8, 2011 10:52 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
anyone
following ben still?? apparently the riot police are out at beaver canyon…this might not look good tomorrow….at least it’s not a weekend and kids haven’t been drinking all day….maybe they will rationally think to not mess with the police tonight?
When aren't the riot police out?
Since, what 2001, its been a preventive measure.
'Why would she have you meet her in a bar at ten in the morning?'
'I just figured she was a raging alcoholic'
by psuphysicist on Nov 8, 2011 10:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I told joefromboalsburg earlier.
They might want to get rid of Joe Paterno, but from the looks of it, they are going to need the National Guard to do it.
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I think now that the shock has set in
People are able to be a bit more rational about their thinking. Especially with Spanier and company just bungling everything so poorly, and Joe wanting to apparently go ahead with his press conference and what not.
Or maybe everyone just irrationally loves JoePa.
'Why would she have you meet her in a bar at ten in the morning?'
'I just figured she was a raging alcoholic'
by psuphysicist on Nov 8, 2011 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
not everyone
he was Keith Olbermann’s worst person in the world today.
Really? He’s worse than the accused child molester???
Fire Dan Snyder
One day Keith Olbermann will be his own Worst Person
Then hopefully he’ll collapse into a quantum singularity and evaporate in a poof of Einstein radiation.
"I don’t know who to believe – A used car salesman or the OSU Chief of Compliance."
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by leeharvey418 on Nov 8, 2011 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
Really?
Keith still has a show?
'Why would she have you meet her in a bar at ten in the morning?'
'I just figured she was a raging alcoholic'
by psuphysicist on Nov 8, 2011 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
All I need to know about Keith is that Ed Schultz stayed at MSNBC longer.
ED FREAKING SCHULTZ!
Tom Bradley for offensive coordinator.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 8, 2011 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
Wait, I know why I don't like Ed Schultz...
Why don’t you like him?
"I don’t know who to believe – A used car salesman or the OSU Chief of Compliance."
-rahpsu92
by leeharvey418 on Nov 8, 2011 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
It's not because of his political beliefs.
It’s because he’s an incredibly belligerent little man.
Tom Bradley for offensive coordinator.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 8, 2011 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
Ah.
I’ve only ever heard what he says. I never bothered to listen to the delivery.
"I don’t know who to believe – A used car salesman or the OSU Chief of Compliance."
-rahpsu92
by leeharvey418 on Nov 8, 2011 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, I tweeted him basically this from above
how could he be worse than a child molester? no response, of course.
Fire Dan Snyder
Keep sending it and re-tweet?
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by BlueWhiteLife on Nov 8, 2011 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, from pics so far, It's not a riot.
nowhere near. Looks like maybe 60 people. Maybe more are coming, I don’t know.
Nothing like Bin Laden, thank God.
Fire Dan Snyder
he didn't say anything about them
earlier tonight at old main after they left joe’s house….but now they are out…haven’t been able to see pics just wanted to see if people were aware sorry if imay have blown something out of proportion
no, it's fine, thanks for the info!
it looks like a TON of people have moved in front of Old Main, so word must have spread to not riot, but rather protest Spanier
Fire Dan Snyder
Occupy Old Main Lawn?
"I don’t know who to believe – A used car salesman or the OSU Chief of Compliance."
-rahpsu92
by leeharvey418 on Nov 8, 2011 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
Perspective
I Know Nothing! They were just Horsing Around!
by joefromboalsburg on Nov 8, 2011 10:29 PM EST reply actions
Ladies and Gentlemen...The Honoray Board of the Second Mile.
http://www.thesecondmile.org/ourTeam/bod/bodHono.php
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Capsule version for those who haven't been keeping up?
Please?
"I don’t know who to believe – A used car salesman or the OSU Chief of Compliance."
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by leeharvey418 on Nov 8, 2011 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
John R. Cappelletti – Retired PSU & NFL Football Player, Heisman Trophy Winner
R. R. M. Carpenter, III – Former Owner, Philadelphia Phillies
James E. Ford – Retired Vice President, Kmart
William A. Gettig – President, Gettig Technologies, Inc.
Jack Ham – Retired NFL Player, Pittsburgh Steelers, Hall of Fame
Franco Harris – Retired NFL Player, Pittsburgh Steelers, Hall of Fame
Lou Holtz – Retired Football Coach, Sportscaster, and Motivational Speaker
Dr. Bryce Jordan – Retired, Penn State University President
Willi Maier – President, Omni Plastics, Inc.
Matt Millen – ESPN Football Analyst
Arnold D. Palmer – President, Arnold Palmer Enterprises
Joseph V. Paterno – Head Football Coach, Penn State University
Andy Reid – Head Football Coach, Philadelphia Eagles
Dr. John Reidell – General Surgeon, Past Second Mile Board President
Cal Ripken, Jr. – Former ML Baseball Shortstop, President & CEO of Ripken Baseball, Inc.
Dominic Toscani – Owner & President, Paris Business Forms
Richard Vermeil – Retired NFL Head Coach, (Kansas City Chiefs, St. Louis Rams, Philadelphia Eagles)
Mark Wahlberg – Actor, Rapper, and Film & TV Producer
Verne Willaman – Retired Chairman and President, Ortho Pharmaceutical Corp.
Quentin Wood – Retired Chairman and CEO, Quaker State Oil Refining Corp.
Richard A. Zimmerman – Retired Chairman of the Board, Hershey Foods
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by ReadingRambler on Nov 8, 2011 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
That's the long form...
I assumed I was overlooking something.
"I don’t know who to believe – A used car salesman or the OSU Chief of Compliance."
-rahpsu92
by leeharvey418 on Nov 8, 2011 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, how about that?
Tom Bradley for offensive coordinator.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 8, 2011 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
Wait, Arnold Palmer isn't just a drink?
What a time to be alive…
"I don’t know who to believe – A used car salesman or the OSU Chief of Compliance."
-rahpsu92
by leeharvey418 on Nov 8, 2011 10:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Just saw the 2002 version...
It included Gerald Ford, and Bob Hope. Yes, them.
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That's bad.
Bad.
"I don’t know who to believe – A used car salesman or the OSU Chief of Compliance."
-rahpsu92
by leeharvey418 on Nov 8, 2011 11:48 PM EST up reply actions
Who is Jim Croce?
Not the singer that died in the 70’s right?
"This is being a Penn State fan. We’ll prove it, or we won’t. It’s not about proving it to them, it’s about proving to ourselves."
Why yes, in point of fact he is.
I actually had him confused with Cat Stevens for a minute. …yet I still knew that his big hit was Bad Bad Leroy Brown.
"I don’t know who to believe – A used car salesman or the OSU Chief of Compliance."
-rahpsu92
by leeharvey418 on Nov 9, 2011 12:23 AM EST up reply actions
So...wait.
What? How did they include a guy that had been dead for 30 years?
"This is being a Penn State fan. We’ll prove it, or we won’t. It’s not about proving it to them, it’s about proving to ourselves."
They do it all the time with voter rolls in western Virginia.
"I don’t know who to believe – A used car salesman or the OSU Chief of Compliance."
-rahpsu92
by leeharvey418 on Nov 9, 2011 12:28 AM EST up reply actions
That's Pat Croce.
"This is being a Penn State fan. We’ll prove it, or we won’t. It’s not about proving it to them, it’s about proving to ourselves."
Yeah, I can't recreate that right now.
All the other ones I could.
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Who?
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
Mark Wahlberg?
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by ReadingRambler on Nov 8, 2011 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
He's a rapper?
Man, glad I haven’t been paying attention to that.
Tom Bradley for offensive coordinator.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 8, 2011 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
He's got those good vibrations.
He’s got that sweet sensation.
"I don’t know who to believe – A used car salesman or the OSU Chief of Compliance."
-rahpsu92
by leeharvey418 on Nov 8, 2011 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
Wrong List.
That is the Honorary Board. These folks never met each other, never mind being involved in any activities other than a fundraiser every now and then.
Click on the local boards to find out who is involved on a more operational basis.
HOW MUCH FOR THE LITTLE BOY?
I Know Nothing! They were just Horsing Around!
by joefromboalsburg on Nov 8, 2011 10:50 PM EST reply actions
No shit. I labeled it as such.
They are all in bed with Sandusky.
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please no
I can’t take much more of this as is.
Tom Bradley for offensive coordinator.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 8, 2011 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
I did, I've been looking for a connection to Gricar.
However, maybe I can give some folks some other names beside Paterno to start looking after.
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Wendall V. Coutney.
In 1998 and presumbaly 2002 he was both general counsel for the University, and he was (and remains) counsel for the second mile. Anybody who has anything to add about this guy will be important as well.
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Also...
We’re finding this information on the internet. Help us out. Come up with an idea, follow it, see where it goes.
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It's looking like
the info / dated back to Gricar might be wiped-out?
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by BlueWhiteLife on Nov 8, 2011 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
Haven't found it yet.
Maybe somebody else will figure it out. We didn’t find the flow chart either.
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I'm not sure what you're looking for...
but you know Wikipedia is very good about not letting stuff fall down the memory hole. You just have to dig a little.
"I don’t know who to believe – A used car salesman or the OSU Chief of Compliance."
-rahpsu92
by leeharvey418 on Nov 8, 2011 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
I'm trying to find a connection between Gricar and the Second Mile.
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Wiki can be altered - so that could pose a problem here in this exercise
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by BlueWhiteLife on Nov 8, 2011 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
Wiki always keeps a record of changes.
Except in a couple of isolated cases, you can trace the full edit history of every page on Wikipedia.
"I don’t know who to believe – A used car salesman or the OSU Chief of Compliance."
-rahpsu92
by leeharvey418 on Nov 8, 2011 11:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It would go back as long as the page has existed...
So unless somebody had motivation to change it, it’s there. Even if an edit were only up for five minutes, it’s still there.
"I don’t know who to believe – A used car salesman or the OSU Chief of Compliance."
-rahpsu92
by leeharvey418 on Nov 8, 2011 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
I see how that is know
" When you cross that Blue Line, you are mine...Across the Blue Line, it's all football. " " And what you need to do in your life is paint Blue Lines everywhere. " - Joe Paterno 2009
by BlueWhiteLife on Nov 8, 2011 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
I forgot
RG’s brother was found dead in a river in ‘96 … who the hell know’s if someone was ‘sending a mesg’ to RG? Crazy stuff…
" When you cross that Blue Line, you are mine...Across the Blue Line, it's all football. " " And what you need to do in your life is paint Blue Lines everywhere. " - Joe Paterno 2009
by BlueWhiteLife on Nov 8, 2011 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
any affilations (if there were) directly tied to PSU; so perhaps don’t include any “PSU” in the search.
" When you cross that Blue Line, you are mine...Across the Blue Line, it's all football. " " And what you need to do in your life is paint Blue Lines everywhere. " - Joe Paterno 2009
by BlueWhiteLife on Nov 8, 2011 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
pertaining to Gricar/PSU, that is … but obviously someone knows what his volunteer/board-type ties were, if there were any.
" When you cross that Blue Line, you are mine...Across the Blue Line, it's all football. " " And what you need to do in your life is paint Blue Lines everywhere. " - Joe Paterno 2009
by BlueWhiteLife on Nov 8, 2011 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
jesse
I don’t really know what you’re doing and I’m too freaking tired and worn out anymore, but I thank you for trying, sir.
Tom Bradley for offensive coordinator.
I'm trying.
That’s what I’m doing. Trying.
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by jesse. on Nov 8, 2011 11:04 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Rec for trying?
It’s better than sitting back and doing nothing
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Holy crap a thread not entirely dedicated to debating the merits of firing Paterno.
I can comment here.
A pandemic of cowardice sweeps the nation.
jesse. seems to have come back from the dark side.
"I don’t know who to believe – A used car salesman or the OSU Chief of Compliance."
-rahpsu92
by leeharvey418 on Nov 8, 2011 11:03 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Well I hope that in general people HERE at least are starting to settle down a little.
As the only person on earth who actually likes to have enough information to form an opinion before forming an opinion, that is refreshing.
A pandemic of cowardice sweeps the nation.
by WorldBFat on Nov 8, 2011 11:05 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
In a row!?!?
"I don’t know who to believe – A used car salesman or the OSU Chief of Compliance."
-rahpsu92
by leeharvey418 on Nov 8, 2011 11:17 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
For some reason the number 37 always reminds me of Clerks...
"I don’t know who to believe – A used car salesman or the OSU Chief of Compliance."
-rahpsu92
by leeharvey418 on Nov 8, 2011 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
Why was this not green until I got here two days later?
"In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."
#OccupyESPN
This thread is dedicated to learning things.
No accusations, I want people to bring new information to the this thread. I don’t care what you think, bring me something I don’t already know.
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I guess it's helpful to remember that I've always been crazy but it's kept me from goin' insane.
I’ll stop now.
Tom Bradley for offensive coordinator.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 8, 2011 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
Minus points for it not being Folsom Prison Blues.
Plus points for it being the Granddaddy of Bluegrass.
"I don’t know who to believe – A used car salesman or the OSU Chief of Compliance."
-rahpsu92
by leeharvey418 on Nov 8, 2011 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
The emotion in Bill's voice impacts me every time.
Tom Bradley for offensive coordinator.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 8, 2011 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
True Story:
Bluegrass Junction is preset number one on my Sirius band in the car.
"I don’t know who to believe – A used car salesman or the OSU Chief of Compliance."
-rahpsu92
by leeharvey418 on Nov 8, 2011 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
I have a bluegrass-themed channel on Pandora
I listen to it. A lot.
Luring recruits with my new "Posting HD" scheme since '08.
Knoxville Girl: Most morbid song ever?
Discuss…
"I don’t know who to believe – A used car salesman or the OSU Chief of Compliance."
-rahpsu92
by leeharvey418 on Nov 8, 2011 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
so do I
but mine is based on hayseed dixie…. somehow I really like bluegrass covers f rock songs….
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Oh…something new about the Sandusky thing…I was thinking, like, just in general something you dont know…
But still, if you’re ever being attacked by a kangaroo, know you know to just get behind it.
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yeah, I am underwhelmed by that press release
give me something new, BOT! A commission should have started before this all came out.
Fire Dan Snyder
Eh, what do you want them to say?
Tom Bradley for offensive coordinator.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 8, 2011 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
that Spanier's gone
Fire Dan Snyder
by Cari Greene on Nov 8, 2011 11:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
True confession
I know Graham Spanier’s SSN.
"I don’t know who to believe – A used car salesman or the OSU Chief of Compliance."
-rahpsu92
by leeharvey418 on Nov 8, 2011 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
Patiently wait for the investigation to conclude.
Tom Bradley for offensive coordinator.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 8, 2011 11:18 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I know, that is the logical response
sigh. But they should have had a statement such as this ready to go for a long while now—since they knew the GJ was convening.
Fire Dan Snyder
If the last three days have taught us anything...
it’s that patience is a lost art.
"I don’t know who to believe – A used car salesman or the OSU Chief of Compliance."
-rahpsu92
by leeharvey418 on Nov 8, 2011 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe it's just wishful thinking,
but I’m guessing Spanier is already clearing out his desk.
"I don’t know who to believe – A used car salesman or the OSU Chief of Compliance."
-rahpsu92
by leeharvey418 on Nov 8, 2011 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
If they actually live up to that mission statement, I’m sure things will be handled fairly.
Tom Bradley for offensive coordinator.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 8, 2011 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
Are they going to come out and mention that they knew about the 1998 episode, while most at PSU did not?
probably not, but the PSU general counsel knew which makes me think at least some of the BOT knew. This entire thing is so far above Joe and what he could have done. He could not have done crap if those above him stonewalled it.
My grammer skills need improved.
Are the BOT going to come out and say they instructed Joe in his 99 meeting to offer JS the ultimatum, quit 2nd mile or quit PSU?
My grammer skills need improved.
If Joe is the person we believe he is
If the BOT force him out and try to shame him (which looks like it is) I think he will do what is needed to clear his name. I don’t think he will do anything more to damage the University, he loves it too much, but he is also a very prideful man and will do what he needs to set the record straight. At least, that is my opinion.
"I don’t know what he’s done differently, whether he’s eating differently or Sue is making him happier, but he’s definitely a different coach out there" Devon Still
Jesse, an idea for connections to Greicar/Sandusky.
See who on those lists is from around Cleveland, or have ties to Case Western.
"This is being a Penn State fan. We’ll prove it, or we won’t. It’s not about proving it to them, it’s about proving to ourselves."
I was thinking behind known connections.
From what I understand Griecar didn’t have many friends. Though I literally just stumbled on this thread, so I’m not sure how far/what you’ve established besides the shared legal counsel.
"This is being a Penn State fan. We’ll prove it, or we won’t. It’s not about proving it to them, it’s about proving to ourselves."
my sister knew him and some of his employees fairly well
as well as anyone got to know him. he was a tad odd and a loner and very much non-political. From what she knew he never joined anything because he didn’t want to be beholden to anyone through association.
My grammer skills need improved.
Good night, everyone.
Good will come out of evil somehow.
Tom Bradley for offensive coordinator.
by ReadingRambler on Nov 8, 2011 11:19 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
One tool suggestion
Websites are, obviously, not static collections of information. You can check out older versions of many of them that were snapped periodically at the Internet Wayback Machine here: http://www.archive.org/web/web.php Just plug in the website you’re interested in.
Incidentally, this also serves as a reminder that everything you do on the Internet will be there forever, or at least you should believe that it will.
I thought that Wayback only 'worked' when somebody submitted a snapshot of a site?
"I don’t know who to believe – A used car salesman or the OSU Chief of Compliance."
-rahpsu92
by leeharvey418 on Nov 8, 2011 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not familiar on its technical specifics
But I don’t see why it wouldn’t just be a web crawler continually rolling around the Internet.
It may be...
but a charity site would probably be pretty low on its hit frequency.
"I don’t know who to believe – A used car salesman or the OSU Chief of Compliance."
-rahpsu92
by leeharvey418 on Nov 8, 2011 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
Is there a call or chat group I can get in on?
"This is being a Penn State fan. We’ll prove it, or we won’t. It’s not about proving it to them, it’s about proving to ourselves."
Presently
We’re not having a ton of luck on the archived Second Mile website.
Works on contingency? No, money down!
Can anyone get a Traceroute off of the second mile site?
I keep getting timed out. If whoever set their site up isn’t particularly bright, we may be able to pull a directory listing and see if there is a backup of the old site there.
"This is being a Penn State fan. We’ll prove it, or we won’t. It’s not about proving it to them, it’s about proving to ourselves."
Bah nevermind.
They are not completely terrible and have it locked down.
"This is being a Penn State fan. We’ll prove it, or we won’t. It’s not about proving it to them, it’s about proving to ourselves."
Former President Gerald R. Ford used to be on the Honorary Board, apparently
They have quite the set of connections.
Among many others.
The active board is instructive too, but you have to be a bit more dialed into State College politics to sort that out.
Works on contingency? No, money down!
There's probaby 1000
folks in the SC area that could tell us of any RG/2ndmi/JS connections…
" When you cross that Blue Line, you are mine...Across the Blue Line, it's all football. " " And what you need to do in your life is paint Blue Lines everywhere. " - Joe Paterno 2009
by BlueWhiteLife on Nov 8, 2011 11:52 PM EST up reply actions
Anyone know 'why' RG declined the charges against
JS in ’98?
" When you cross that Blue Line, you are mine...Across the Blue Line, it's all football. " " And what you need to do in your life is paint Blue Lines everywhere. " - Joe Paterno 2009
by BlueWhiteLife on Nov 8, 2011 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
I'd love to talk to one.
At this point, I’m reasonably convinced that Schultz is the key to a cover-up. Who called Schultz, Paterno or Curley?
Works on contingency? No, money down!
JP to TC
MMcQ spoke with both TC and Schultz
" When you cross that Blue Line, you are mine...Across the Blue Line, it's all football. " " And what you need to do in your life is paint Blue Lines everywhere. " - Joe Paterno 2009
by BlueWhiteLife on Nov 9, 2011 12:01 AM EST up reply actions
If you look at the flow chart
Schultz is the guy you need if you want to shut this story down before it starts. The guy. No questions asked.
Works on contingency? No, money down!
Sacrificial
/lambed
" When you cross that Blue Line, you are mine...Across the Blue Line, it's all football. " " And what you need to do in your life is paint Blue Lines everywhere. " - Joe Paterno 2009
by BlueWhiteLife on Nov 9, 2011 12:06 AM EST up reply actions
Schultz=UPPD connection to RG? ‘shut it down!’ – for the ’98 case
" When you cross that Blue Line, you are mine...Across the Blue Line, it's all football. " " And what you need to do in your life is paint Blue Lines everywhere. " - Joe Paterno 2009
by BlueWhiteLife on Nov 9, 2011 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
"Follow the Wire"
just like in the org chart – when the BOT’s and others are officially deposed, and saying that the system of the chain of command was followed, the point where whomever states ‘I didn’t know’ – you go back to the chart/person(s) below them and ’there’s you break.’
CYA’s and un-truth tellers already have thier stories straight – I’m sure…
" When you cross that Blue Line, you are mine...Across the Blue Line, it's all football. " " And what you need to do in your life is paint Blue Lines everywhere. " - Joe Paterno 2009
by BlueWhiteLife on Nov 9, 2011 12:05 AM EST up reply actions
I don't think it's specified one way or the other.
As for why RG dropped the case, who knows. Fun fact, I did not know that RG openly declined running for re-election again before he vanished.
"This is being a Penn State fan. We’ll prove it, or we won’t. It’s not about proving it to them, it’s about proving to ourselves."
It was known he was looking towards retirement
" When you cross that Blue Line, you are mine...Across the Blue Line, it's all football. " " And what you need to do in your life is paint Blue Lines everywhere. " - Joe Paterno 2009
by BlueWhiteLife on Nov 9, 2011 12:09 AM EST up reply actions
If I recall the GJ document correctly
It said Joe called Curley. Didn’t say Curley and Schultz, then said McQueary spoke with them both.
It’s not specified exactly.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
Would a GJ document require JoePa to list any legal counsel he talked to prior to contacting Curley?
"This is being a Penn State fan. We’ll prove it, or we won’t. It’s not about proving it to them, it’s about proving to ourselves."
I'm not sure
There was a TON of gaps in the GJ doc, I consider it not all inclusive.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
This is what I recall
" When you cross that Blue Line, you are mine...Across the Blue Line, it's all football. " " And what you need to do in your life is paint Blue Lines everywhere. " - Joe Paterno 2009
by BlueWhiteLife on Nov 9, 2011 12:10 AM EST up reply actions
Sorry, was the 1998 case run by State College Police, or Penn State University Police?
"This is being a Penn State fan. We’ll prove it, or we won’t. It’s not about proving it to them, it’s about proving to ourselves."
I'm looking
believe it was UP though
" When you cross that Blue Line, you are mine...Across the Blue Line, it's all football. " " And what you need to do in your life is paint Blue Lines everywhere. " - Joe Paterno 2009
by BlueWhiteLife on Nov 9, 2011 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah I just found it, UP.
So Schultz was quite literally at the head of both of these “should have been” investigations.
"This is being a Penn State fan. We’ll prove it, or we won’t. It’s not about proving it to them, it’s about proving to ourselves."
I thought that was established?
I was pretty sure I heard on ESPN Radio (!) this evening that the University Park PD should have been able to connect the dots. …which means Schultz should have personally been able to connect the dots.
"I don’t know who to believe – A used car salesman or the OSU Chief of Compliance."
-rahpsu92
by leeharvey418 on Nov 9, 2011 12:27 AM EST up reply actions
Was Schultz in that position in 1998?
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
Yes.
This is actually news to me. I had heard he was not aware of the previous incident.
"This is being a Penn State fan. We’ll prove it, or we won’t. It’s not about proving it to them, it’s about proving to ourselves."
Yeah
TC tells Schultz, McQ informs them both in a meeting (somewhere in the middle Schultz should have been informing an actual Police ‘Capt.’, opening a file and reporting up to his direct superior, Spanier…
" When you cross that Blue Line, you are mine...Across the Blue Line, it's all football. " " And what you need to do in your life is paint Blue Lines everywhere. " - Joe Paterno 2009
by BlueWhiteLife on Nov 9, 2011 12:35 AM EST up reply actions
…and there’s supposedly – zero – police files on this?!
So eventually (unless it’s already happened – just not announced (read: gaps in GJ doc) a few police officers will be investigated as to if they had knowledge of this instance.
" When you cross that Blue Line, you are mine...Across the Blue Line, it's all football. " " And what you need to do in your life is paint Blue Lines everywhere. " - Joe Paterno 2009
by BlueWhiteLife on Nov 9, 2011 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
the officer in charge of the 98 case retired and is not talking to the press
don’t know if he spoke to the GJ, but I would guess that yes he did. They don’t have to release what he said. They only released what they needed for indictment. Do you really think the only thing Joe said was he bumped it up the chain and the AG didn’t follow that up with more? Anyone that thought or thinks that sure doesn’t have a clue. Also, the GJ release is probably a drop in the bucket vs the info that was obtained.
My grammer skills need improved.
I am in agreement with everything you’ve noted.
" When you cross that Blue Line, you are mine...Across the Blue Line, it's all football. " " And what you need to do in your life is paint Blue Lines everywhere. " - Joe Paterno 2009
by BlueWhiteLife on Nov 9, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
Jesse.
If you’re still on this, is there anything specific you would like me to look for?
"This is being a Penn State fan. We’ll prove it, or we won’t. It’s not about proving it to them, it’s about proving to ourselves."
Interesting stuff ,,,
While this poses some serious questions, one question stands out above all … If this specific scenario were to actually play out (and Joe is proven to 100 percent NOT part of any alleged cover up) who is the best qualified person to lead PSU out of this mess going forward? And I’m talking about the institution as a whole, not the football program.
Think about it. There are plenty of people that won’t like it, but there’s really only one answer.
I know it may seem hard to imagine, but if three top-level university officials were to sanction “buying” the silence of a child who had been raped, this scandal would take a much more drastic turn for the worse. And then all of a sudden, the man so many insisted MUST go, NEEDS to stay.
For what it’s worth, I think this is a flight of fancy but who knows. I commend Jesse’s train of thought here. Like someone else said, at least he’s trying.
by joe_knows on Nov 9, 2011 7:35 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
You see that thing over there? That was the point. You missed it.
ONE person on the flowchart could have truly solved this.
ONE person had enough clout in town to get the campus, town, county and state police involved.
ONE person could have said to Jerry Sandusky, “Turn yourself in and get help” and had a chance of being heeded.
ONE person could have said, “We will find those kids and we will help them.”
That ONE person is not one of the 20 people ahead of Paterno on the flowchart.
There is legal and there is right. Joe did what was legal. He didn’t do what was right. Not by a damn country mile.
"It's all in the game, yo"
by Worf on Nov 9, 2011 4:50 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
You don't know he didn't do more than that.
With firmness in the right, as God gives us to see the right
- A.Lincoln
Whatever he did didn't result in Sandusky in cuffs and those kids in therapy
which means he didn’t do enough.
"It's all in the game, yo"
So where does Curley fit in to all of this?
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My Wife has been awesome with this. It would be easy to blow it off as not important, but she’s been following this story, helping me actually doing research to get to the bottom of some these claims. I can’t imagine how I’d would be getting through this without her.
Let down by my football coach. Disgraced by my University.
by jesse. on Nov 11, 2011 3:31 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I appreciate all you and your wife have done jesse.
I hope we’re all able to get to the bottom of what happened. Whether it exonerates Joe or further implicates him, I think we all just want answers.
"I don’t know what he’s done differently, whether he’s eating differently or Sue is making him happier, but he’s definitely a different coach out there" Devon Still
Police Flow Chart
A flow chart like the one on the current University Park Police website from back in 2002 would go a long way in showing Joe actually did go to the police when he spoke to Schultz. If you could come up with that, you might actually get the attention of a reputable national journalist. If one exists.
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