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Jerry, Who? News Media Irresponsibly Driving The Paterno Narrative

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Just two weeks ago, I asked my wife, "I wonder what the next big court case the media will turn into a circus?" The Conrad Murray thing was dying down. Casey Anthony was over. It looked like we wouldn't have to be constantly bombarded with the latest "breaking development on the _____ case."

From now on, I'm just going to stop talking.

So the news broke--not as if we didn't know it was coming, since the grand jury was reported on months ago--about Jerry Sandusky, Tim Curley and Gary Shultz being brought up on charges. Sandusky, the long-time coaching legend, was a giant and founding figure in the Second Mile organization, which has possibly known about "something" since the late-90s. And then-graduate assistant Mike McQueary, who supposedly witnessed the most egregious alleged incident, reporting to Joe Paterno who in turn (correctly) reported it up the chain of command. All the while at least a dozen children were allegedly victimized and physically and mentally assaulted.

That should be the story, covered in the following order of priority: The alleged crime and its victims; The accused (Sandusky); The accused admins (Curley/Shultz); The charity used to execute alleged crimes (2nd Mile); The head coach who may not done enough (Paterno).

But it's not. The story is about Joe Paterno. Why did Paterno "allow" or "enable" this to happen. Paterno is a hypocrite, shameful, and should be judged as if he were the epicenter of this horrible, disgusting situation that the university administration put itself into.

I'm not defending Joseph Vincent Paterno. But I'm also not going to use this column to air my opinion on him or his actions. I'm not even going to really talk about the obvious negligence in dealing with this problem by senior university administrators. 

What I'm talking about the all-too-familiar character in sensational news stories: The News Media.

Star-divide

Jerry Sandusky is a familiar name inside the college football world and bubble of central PA, but not really anything more, especially to the nation at-large. His Second Mile charity is likely even lesser-known.

How many of you Penn Staters knew the name "Gary Shultz" before Monday? You did? Liar. And even if you did, you're one of about 1 percent who did know who he was.

Next, let's go to Tim Curley. Outside of Penn State sports fans, do you really think his name draws the kind of reader/viewer attention worth focusing the story on him?

Maybe a slightly larger portion of the audiences and readerships around the nation know Graham Spanier. He's a powerful university president, heavily involved in the NCAA and BCS.

The Penn State scandal and investigation would still be news if it were at, say, USC. Or Florida State. Or Michigan. Or Stanford. Figures similar to those above would still get coverage, but the media would have to actually work hard to explain who these people are and why they are important. Journalism would have to be exercised. The storyline--the narrative--would likely focus on the alleged crimes, the alleged criminal, the alleged victims, and rumored cover-up. Would the head football coach get a mention in there, specifically about his involvement in the situation? Of course.

But for the media, Penn State provided the absolute home run of a university and football program for this to come down upon. For the for-profit, capitalistic news media we read, listen to and watch, this scandal couldn't have happened in a more perfect location.

And there is only one man they can thank for it: Joe Paterno.

Paterno has, for decades, preached ethics, honor, and doing the "right" thing. For decades, he lived up to that self-set standard, as has (generally) the greater university. For all of us Penn Staters, this was always at the forefront of our dedication, our loyalty, our pride in the place that made us who we are today. Happy Valley was, as many considered it to be, one, if not the last, great bastion of good in college sports.

And that pissed off a lot of people. Penn Staters were snobby, full of themselves. A common train of thought among those resentful of what Penn State had going for it was, "And that Joe Paterno, man does he just love himself to death. Someday he'll come crashing down. And when he does, oh man, will I enjoy it."

In the backs of our minds, we all knew Penn State was walking on very thin ice. The longer something doesn't happen, the more likely it is to happen. For 60 years, nothing happened to seriously compromise Paterno's integrity or the university's image. That's a long time.

I remember thinking that to myself during the Ohio State "Tat-gate" scandal. When running Linebacker-U.com, those of us writing there were very cautious about throwing stones at the Buckeyes, because, frankly, we knew that if anything like that ever happened at Penn State, the world would pounce so quickly and harshly, it would lay waste to everything from Pleasant Gap to Port Matilda.

Penn State and Paterno's fall would be the story of the century for college sports.The media was ready and waiting. It would be big.

Now it's here. And it's not even in the same galaxy as what was expected to bring down JoePa & Co.

The most common narrative so far is that Paterno "allowed it to happen," and "enabled" the alleged crimes to occur, since it was brought to his (official) attention nine years ago. The narrative isn't just about laying blame on someone or some group at Penn State. If it were, then there would be a more even split between Paterno and the administrators/charity/university, than the 90-Paterno/10-Other ratio of coverage we're seeing today.

Paterno is the easy handle for the average target audience to grasp onto. And the media, despite their inherent and historical responsibility to report the news, not make it, is more than pleased to oblige the nation's love affair with the fall of the famous. It's not a juicy story to read of Spanier's downfall, or Curley's negligence. It wouldn't be so great (for the media) and the smashing headlines we're seeing this week had it not been for Paterno's place in the chain-of-command breakdown that occurred at Penn State.

Simply put: Without Paterno, we wouldn't be witnessing the collective hair-on-fire, ratings-generating outrage on anything close to what's going on around the nation today.

It's sad.

No, it's not sad because this is supposedly the media that is our very own watchdog, our public record that is not beholden to those with power and influence, covering this story with nothing more important in mind than the windfall it will generate come next fiscal report.

It's sad because there are children out there, bravely coming out to testify in front of a watching public (even if they remain "Victim #'s") about the heinous atrocities they were allegedly forced to endure at the hands of the accused Sandusky. How much coverage of the actual trial has there been since the story broke at the beginning of this week? On the first 24 news cycle, it was about reading the grand jury report, along with names and dates.

Since then, the narrative has turned sharply toward Paterno, the aged figurehead of a once-revered football program and university. It's turned toward the man with the rolled up khakis and black cleats because he was easy to target.

Things have gotten so bad the last 36-48 hours, that those who are actually reporting the news--the fantastic, Pulitzer-level work by Sara Ganim at the Patriot News--has been pushed to the wayside, all in favor of opinion pieces, speculative garbage that doesn't do anything but make this terrible episode into nothing more than a circus, a freak show.

The past two days of media coverage is voyeurism at its worst. Everyone wants a piece, but only from a distance. No one in the media has had the guts to do anything other than take their long-awaited shots at Paterno, who also just happens to be one of the men not charged with anything.

Why isn't the media focusing on Sandusky's involvement and seeming usage of the Second Mile charity for what he is accused of doing?

Why isn't the media digging into what and when the decisions were made at the top of the university administration to pull the plug on any possible investigation?

Where is the literal, not just moral, outrage in the media that the attorney general and others refused to open investigations into the matter when the most recent allegations were reported back in 2009?

When will the media get off its collective ass and do its job? Because, to be completely honest, I've seen more responsible coverage of this scandal in not just this (gasp!) blog, but even our rival schools' blogs, like Ohio State and Pitt.

This is the problem. For the media to get off its collective rump and do a real service to the public, it would require that they sacrifice the potential financial gain coming from covering "Saint Joe" instead of the serious criminal matters and possible high-level cover up that are right there, ready for investigating.

Every news outlet, not just those focused on sports, have seen bumps in hits, readers, viewers, listeners this week. They are making money off of this story. That's what the media does. They report, you pay to see it. It's simple, and perfectly normal.

But the system goes off the tracks when the media sees they can make even more money by covering a more specific angle of the story, even if it's not the most important or relevant to the public. In this case, it's the involvement of Paterno in the initial reporting of the incidents. It is such an incredibly small part of such an incredibly far-reaching scandal, my mind is spinning today at the very thought of the Paterno Factor dominating the news cycles and headlines.

I have stayed relatively quiet during this entire open-ended episode, from the moment it broke on Saturday, right through last night. It's no coincidence that I've broken my silence this morning. For the last two days have showed me nothing more than a media hell-bent on creating entertainment out of news. From ESPN, to the national newspapers, and every NBC, CBS, Yahoo!, and FOX sports pages, it's been one big get-your-shots-in-now scrum for the best, most scathing, hit-generating column, most likely from a guy who's been to a Penn State game once in his sports "journalism" career.

In turn, the Paterno coverage has spilled over into coverage of those who are holding out judgment on the man.

It reminds me of the "Either you're with us, or you're against us," mantra. The issue here is that the media is the one spouting that theme. Articles and tweets (did you see what Sports By Brooks wrote last night? Or what Herbstreit said?) describing the "blind" loyalty of the Penn State community to Paterno--in reality, the "supporters" only want a fair perception of Paterno until more facts come out--prove beyond reasonable doubt one thing: The media will drive this narrative as hard and fast as it can, and if you get in the way, watch out, because you ain't stopping it.

These are the times when I start watching PBS Newshour, or very selectively reading reports about what is going on in the case. I usually do this during election season, so it kind of works out.

But I simply cannot stomach another hour-leading report from a news outlet that has no idea what the fuck they are talking about. Just because they've sent their crack correspondent to State College doesn't mean jack shit. Our very own Ben Jones has been one of the most responsible, accurate, accountable reporters working this story. He's actually pounding the pavement, digging through sources, to find out what is really going on. You know, reporter stuff.

What Ben hasn't done is file speculative reports, with blinders on, blocking out almost anything that doesn't have to do with "What does this all mean for Paterno?"

The news media, in general, has not only dropped the ball on this one, it has done harm to the coverage this story should be getting. It's a disappointing display of what journalism should not be, particularly when such dynamic, emotional, downright disturbing events are under the public scrutiny.

I can only hope the media gets its act together over the coming days and week. But I'm afraid I could be waiting for a very long time. Once this story dies down, nothing will be clarified later. All the erroneous and suspect reports and information filed by various news outlets the past few days will go uncorrected, unaccounted for, and the public will be left with only warped understanding of what exactly is in that cloud hanging over University Park.

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It doesn't help

when the students go to Joe’s house and create even more of a media frenzy around him.

They need to go to Old Main, STAY at Old Main, and demand for action and heads to roll there.

by PennStateBasketball on Nov 9, 2011 9:09 AM EST reply actions  

There's an acronym out there

MSM – stands for mainstream media.
I have a new one – MFM

by TonyLion on Nov 9, 2011 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

President Spanier's lack leadership in inexcusable

as are the actions of his immediate subordinates and the institutional culture of arrogance and unchecked power that so easily allowed such behavior. All are grounds for his resignation, if not termination, and in time, the media coverage with staying power will shift the focus to where it belongs. For now, Joe gets the attention because he has the name that readers, viewers, and listeners will recognize.

“Paterno + child sex abuse” in a headline sells thousands of newspapers across the country.

“Spanier + child sex abuse” in a headline sells dozens of newspapers in Centre County.

"I don't think you can progress in this game unless you know about the past."
-Silas Redd

by PSU_Buch on Nov 9, 2011 9:09 AM EST reply actions  

Yes

That I agree with.

I’ve made no secret abouthow I feel about the principles in the athletic department, but I am amazed that 1998 story isn’t getting more attention. I reeeeally want to know what the hell happened there. I know cases get dropped for a variety of reasons, but lacking some rational explanation the people who bungled that rank high on the list of targets for outrage. Behind only Sanduskt himself, really.

by tuscaloosalion on Nov 9, 2011 9:22 AM EST up reply actions  

AMEN

These people had a confession! They could have stopped this back then, but they didn’t. From there, we have so many people and organizations with the disgusting truth staring them in the face, and they did nothing. And this includes law enforcement, school administrators and teachers., and Second Mile administrators and counsel.

by psueagle on Nov 9, 2011 9:49 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't know

I’m not one to usually defend the media, but they didn’t “create” this story. It’s not like they’re looking for Big Foot. Jerry Sandusky created this, and those who failed in their responsibilities took a horrifying situation and somehow made it worse.

I agree with much of what’s said here. The inaccuracies have been awful, and drowned out actual journalism; those fuel editorials rather than articles, which in turn makes writers more likely to consume more inaccuracies.

But this is the logical place for the “story” to now turn. The reports on the Grand Jury findings have been out. Sandusky, arrested. Curley and Schultz, retired.

Where to turn then?

I share anger toward inaccuracy, but anger at the breathlessness of the media should be turned back toward the men who created this story.

by tuscaloosalion on Nov 9, 2011 9:18 AM EST reply actions  

isnt that the point

isnt it Jerry Sandusky whoallegedly created this story.

Do me a favor. Google search “Jerry Sandusky Scandal” – You get 1.38 Million hits

Now google “Joe Paterno Scandal” – You get 108 million results. Let me say that again. One-Hundred-and-eight-MILLION results. that is 178.62 million more than the guy who actually committed the crime.

I had to do it 4 times to make sure i wasnt seeing things

by swiggy04 on Nov 9, 2011 10:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Someone said it best the other day

Sandusky was mt everest in this, S-C-S were mt nittany and Joe was a speed bump in terms of the size of their roles in this story.

by Rogue Nine on Nov 9, 2011 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Thank you, Mike, for saying so well what I have been feeling the last couple days.

At bedtime last night, I still did the “We are…..Penn State” chant with all 3 of my kids, but dang, it sure was dusty in their bedrooms. Kinda dusty here in the office as I think more about it, too.

by IndianaLion on Nov 9, 2011 9:19 AM EST reply actions  

Blaming the news media?

There’s plenty of blame to go around, I guess, but this seems awfully low on the priority list.

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Nov 9, 2011 9:22 AM EST reply actions  

I'm not 'blaming' the news media

Where are you getting that from?

What am I blaming the news media for, then?

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by Mike Pettigano on Nov 9, 2011 9:24 AM EST up reply actions  

blame was the wrong word

you are criticizing the media for their coverage. It seems to me like this is low-hanging fruit for bloggers; extra! extra!: the news media sucks. Jon Stewart’s made a comfortable living off of this phenomenon.

So while you have outrage for the media coverage of this story — which is probably deserved: name the last story that the media did a good job of covering? But frankly, all of the outrage I can muster is directed at Sandusky, Spanier, Curley, and Schultz, though most of my attention is on Paterno, not because the media focuses on him — though they do — but because his case is the most nuanced and prominent; it has the biggest implications for me and the University, and it’s frankly the most challenging to actually understand.

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Nov 9, 2011 9:30 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Truth
but because his case is the most nuanced and prominent; it has the biggest implications for me and the University, and it’s frankly the most challenging to actually understand.

by jtothep on Nov 9, 2011 9:49 AM EST up reply actions  

But then why aren't they doing their jobs

Why are major outlets reporting blatantly false information. I want to understand the Paterno involvement as well. Thats the most challenging for all of us. But damnit, baseless speculation and blatant lies don’t help that.

How about, find out some more fucking facts. Figure out exactly what happened, before yelling Paterno should have done more from all the rooftops. Or you know, try to actually understand it

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'I just figured she was a raging alcoholic'

by psuphysicist on Nov 9, 2011 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Disagree

I am thoroughly and justifiably disgusted by the news media. Everyone in this country should be, except that the majority don’t realize they’re not getting a tempered or thoughtful dose of news. Publicly condemning people based on an absolute minimum of information – people who have not been charged with a crime, not even INVESTIGATED in connection with a crime – is what makes this so horrible.

You can feel blase about the news media, but we’ll see how you feel if you ever happen to be accused of a crime. “I’ll never be accused of a crime because my behavior is above reproach, and anyway, it would be easy to immediately demonstrate my innocence and everyone would realize that I’m just a regular guy. Plus I’m not a celebrity so no one would care in the first place.” Ask the Duke lacrosse team.

by PSUCharmas on Nov 9, 2011 10:13 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Nobody is blaming the media for the events that occurred, and their horrific nature.

It is a criticism of their coverage of those events, specifically as they relate to one individual. Do you think because our alma mater’s administrators failed us we should hide in our shells and not criticize any commentary?

Look, we all know this is going to come back to Joe because it is the most headline-grabbing aspect. But it doesn’t mean we can’t point out that the priority is mixed up.

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by PSUinBOSSton on Nov 9, 2011 9:25 AM EST up reply actions  

And here is the WaPo's editorial on the matter:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/penn-states-abdication-of-legal-and-moral-obligations/2011/11/08/gIQAalhK3M_story.html

“..Most egregious was the 2002 incident in which a 28-year-old graduate assistant returning to the football facility was surprised to see the lights and shower on at 9:30 p.m. According to the grand jury, "he saw a naked boy . . . whose age he estimated to be ten years old, with his hands up against the wall, being subjected to anal intercourse by a naked Sandusky." This would have been a good time to dial 911, but at no point were police or child welfare authorities notified. The graduate assistant told head football coach Joe Paterno, who told Mr. Curley, who brought in Mr. Schultz with the result that Mr. Sandusky was instructed — big deal — not to bring youth to the campus. Mr. Sandusky, his emeritus status at Penn State unchanged, continued his youth volunteer work, and in 2007, according to the grand jury, he victimized another boy.

“Because he is an icon of college football, much attention has been focused on Mr. Paterno. What exactly was he told by the graduate assistant? Even though he fulfilled his legal obligation in passing along the complaint, shouldn’t he have followed up? These questions may well end Mr. Paterno’s coaching tenure; there are reports that the trustees are planning his exit. It would be a sad end to an illustrious career but not nearly as sad as the damage done to innocent boys.”

We play tackle football.

by Bellanca on Nov 9, 2011 9:49 AM EST up reply actions  

if you read the whole piece, too

I think it’s a really well-done, balanced piece of opinion writing. It does not unduly focus on Paterno.

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Nov 9, 2011 9:56 AM EST up reply actions  

So a couple of good pieces negate the bulk of the work being done?

No one here said “there is no news media doing good work.” Of course there is. But it is in the strong minority.

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by PSUinBOSSton on Nov 9, 2011 9:58 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I'm just somewhat disgusted at seeing the giant grins on some of the "reporters" faces

as they talk about this story. What is there to be even slightly amused by? There was this one woman anchor on ESPN (I don’t know her name as I rarely watch SportsCenter anymore) that was interviewing some people and taking some calls from other “insiders”, and the whole time she had this huge grin on her face. She was just so excited to be a part of the whole scandal and it sickened me.

by The JuggerNitt on Nov 9, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

It's nice to see this post

and know that I’m not the only one that feels that the focus of all of these stories is on Paterno rather than the accused, the victims, or the administration that has charges pending against them. Just reading some of the headlines or the opening paragraph of a lot of these articles would make you think that Joe was the person actually accused of molesting these boys:

The Penn State board of trustees was scheduled to meet by phone on Tuesday night and again in person on Wednesday night to discuss the child molestation scandal that has head coach Joe Paterno’s job in question, according to the Centre Daily Times.

I like sports and I don't care who knows.

by Drea1020 on Nov 9, 2011 9:25 AM EST reply actions  

Everytime I see Joe's face instead of Sandusky's on a news report.

I get a little bit more depressed.

A plateau is a high form of flattery.

by Assorted Fruit on Nov 9, 2011 9:25 AM EST reply actions  

I totally agree with you...

I just want to yell at the TV because Sandusky is the accussed, not JoePa.

"Wham! a homma. Wham! Another homma. Wham! Wham! Wham!"

by LowcountryLion on Nov 9, 2011 9:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Most every TV report shows

Paterno, discusses him losing his job becasue of a child molestation cover up. Most people watching that would assume that Joe Paterno is the perpetrator of the crime.

Yo fumo español

by rahpsu92 on Nov 9, 2011 10:01 AM EST up reply actions  

at the very least

many people who are only peripherally familiar with the case don’t even know that Sandusky hadn’t been a coach for 12 years. I had three people today who discussed it with me and did not know this—it began when one person asked, “Well, why didn’t Joe fire him?”

the misinformation that is out there really shouldn’t surprise me as much as it does.

Fire Dan Snyder

by Cari Greene on Nov 9, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Great read...

This whole ordeal is starting to have a splashy, tabloid, TMZ “sports edition” feel to it. And it just sucks.

"Wham! a homma. Wham! Another homma. Wham! Wham! Wham!"

by LowcountryLion on Nov 9, 2011 9:26 AM EST reply actions  

Somebody

re-tweeted something from the TMZ guy (Harry Levin, maybe?) weighing on this.

So, yeah. TMZ Sports, indeed.

by Tailgate Shogun on Nov 9, 2011 9:45 AM EST up reply actions  

And ironically enough

Levin was saying that the focus of all this should be on Spanier, not Joe.

by Peter Gray on Nov 9, 2011 9:52 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah

Matt Millen and TMZ as the voice of reason….

I'm on the Internet cause I'm an Internet thug.

by skarocksoi on Nov 9, 2011 9:53 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree with effectively this entire article.

But the only thing we can do now is be patient and let it play out. If Joe truly did enough, that will come to light, the focus of the story will shift away from him, and people will stop caring because they don’t know who Curley/Schultz/Spanier are.

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by PSUinBOSSton on Nov 9, 2011 9:28 AM EST reply actions  

And just like that, BWI reporting that Paterno is doing a 1pm interview with Tom Rinaldi.

PLEASE let it be so, Joe. PSU nation needs to hear from you.

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by PSUinBOSSton on Nov 9, 2011 9:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Great write up Ben...

Its not that JoePa shouldn’t have to speak up for this, its that the alleged criminals, who were pointed out by A FREAKIN’ GJ INVESTIGATION aren’t the focus of the crimes. The media wants you to believe that JoePa allowed this to happen.

Mean while, Joe isn’t given the chance to speak and we have a faceless University President.

by Artiefufkin10 on Nov 9, 2011 9:30 AM EST reply actions  

Ben?

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by PSUinBOSSton on Nov 9, 2011 9:31 AM EST up reply actions  

WHOOPS MIKE

Sorry, been seeing a lot of Ben retweeting stuff, including this

by Artiefufkin10 on Nov 9, 2011 9:32 AM EST up reply actions  

It drives me crazy that Sandusky is out on bond of $100,000 for sexually assaulting and raping at least 8 boys while two liars had to post bond of $75,000 each. That is just crazy to me and doesn’t reflect either crime appropriately

Why is Sandusky not in a jail cell right now awaiting trial?

Due process is just kicking the can down the road to an enviable and awful public trial. The sun has set and I really wish Penn State would allow Paterno to speak. Letting everyone’s imaginations run wild… well, you see the results in the newspapers and TV shows.

And the WR coach that was an eye witness to rape. He didn’t stop it or report this to police. I don’t know what the hell is wrong with that man, but he is a coward. He has no courage and is a very very small man.

Tim Tebow's career record is 3-3. He is the worst 1st round pick EVER!!!! He is embarrassing!!! Did I say that with enough conviction to get a job with ESPN?

by McGeorge on Nov 9, 2011 9:31 AM EST reply actions  

No one had to post bond, it should be noted.

I’m pretty sure all three were unsecured bonds, which is essentially the same as released on own recognizance. They are all free men, having forfeited no monetary guarantee.

They’re not going anywhere, but still.

by Jeff Junstrom on Nov 9, 2011 9:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Wow. Thanks for clearing that up for me. It doesn’t bother me with the administrator and AD because they will have their day in court and really don’t possess a danger to society. Their crimes are disgraceful, but more of a moral failing than anything.

That Sandusky is a free man right now… on an unsecured bond (for free)… Wow.. That’s just hard to stomach.

Tim Tebow's career record is 3-3. He is the worst 1st round pick EVER!!!! He is embarrassing!!! Did I say that with enough conviction to get a job with ESPN?

by McGeorge on Nov 9, 2011 9:49 AM EST up reply actions  

only first degree murder in Pa get automatic no bond

even manslaughter gets bail.

My grammer skills need improved.

by BMAN13 on Nov 9, 2011 10:10 AM EST up reply actions  

We have to realize that even if Joe has a plausible explanation

A good chunk of people will not accept it; both in the media and in the general public. I think we have to be prepared for that.

by psu87intn on Nov 9, 2011 9:32 AM EST reply actions  

Agreed

Those seeking blood do not care about anything other than that.

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by jman07 on Nov 9, 2011 9:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Yesterday was so crazy...

that I woke up this morning and thought it was a dream. I never would have thought this is the way Joe Pa would go out and be remembered for. Shame.

by Vick In A Box on Nov 9, 2011 9:34 AM EST reply actions  

The media is not a judge or jury

We need to keep reminding ourselves of that. Casey Anthony and Amanda Knox were eventually found not guilty. Casey Anthony was found not guilty after getting pummeled in the media. Amanda Knox got crucified in the European press and treated as a pure, innocent bystander in the American press, and was found guilty then not guilty, but Italy is not America.

GO IOWA AWESOME, now and forever, unless PSU sees them in the B1G CG
Beat Nebraska.

by ckmneon on Nov 9, 2011 9:43 AM EST reply actions  

My mom is in Montana right now

In the middle of no where without a TV, or radio or internet. I had to call her last night and tell her what was going on. She cried. Her father was a PSU alum and I wear my grandfather’s sweatshirt with pride every Saturday. She said she was going to personally write a letter to JoePa letting him know it was going to be okay. Such a typical mom thing to do :)

I almost wish I was with her so I could pretend this wasnt really happening.

Great post Mike!

by lexi1031 on Nov 9, 2011 9:49 AM EST reply actions  

Not just a mom thing

I’m sitting at my desk right now working on notes of support to both Joe and Sue. I can tell you though it is not an easy task, as the words really don’t seem to flow as easily as the tears want to.

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by LegalLion on Nov 9, 2011 10:26 AM EST up reply actions  

This is a product of the lack of leadership right now

The media is on campus, but NO ONE is talking to them, and they’re pissed off about it. Someone needs to step up and start leading this discussion, and for all the heat he’s taken, I still think JoePa is the best one to do it. He wants to talk to us. Let’s hear what he has to say.

In the mean time, Ben is in as good a position as any to direct public discourse, and I hope he’ll make the most of that opportunity.

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by newenglandnittanylion on Nov 9, 2011 9:58 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Where is that bastion of non-amateur journalism, Fooge?

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by ckmneon on Nov 9, 2011 10:00 AM EST reply actions  

Sadly, you saw this almost nowhere yesterday

Any reason why they did this? I’d like to see him tried as soon as possible.

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by skarocksoi on Nov 9, 2011 10:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Nobody gives a crap about an old man who was an assistant coach over a decade ago

That’s why the the Curley and Schultz charges happened. That’s why the coverage has been all about Paterno and Spanier.

And there’s probably gonna be a lot of witnesses, many of whom will be very busy until after football season.

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by ckmneon on Nov 9, 2011 10:07 AM EST up reply actions  

I meant any reason why they postponed the trial

not that it wasnt covered enough. Sorry for the confusion.

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by skarocksoi on Nov 9, 2011 10:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Yep.

GJ report is the proverbial tip of the ice-berg.

by Stay thirsty, my friends. on Nov 9, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Not sure. And yeah thats whats wrong about this whole thing.

by pf289 on Nov 9, 2011 10:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Opinions from many ESPN anchors

So take it FWIW. But do you think its ok for Joe to retire at the end of the season, and not right now?

I mean I absolutely hate to say it, but I agree with some of them on ESPN. Its kind of hard to believe that he was informed and knowledgeable of at least some instances of child abuse and still be aloud to continue to coach.

by pf289 on Nov 9, 2011 10:03 AM EST reply actions  

Seriously?

Did you read Mike’s post?

by RitterPSU on Nov 9, 2011 10:05 AM EST up reply actions  

I dont care. I have my opinions and I am sticking to them. I am sorry about thats just how I feel. I hate it, but thats how I feel.

by pf289 on Nov 9, 2011 10:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Because as of right now we know that he was aware of at least some terrible instances and indirectly allowed them to happen. How do the parents of the children feel when they turn on the t.v. on saturday and see Joe with his team? Think about that. I hate this entire scenario and I hate what has happened, but to me, it just doesnt seem right that he continue to coach.

by pf289 on Nov 9, 2011 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

We do know for a fact that MM reported to Joe an instance of child sex abuse.

We do know for a fact that Joe informed his superior.

We do know for a fact that nothing has come from that until recent and that the football program knowingly allowed Sandusky to continuously use the facilities up until LAST WEEK.

I dont care what the media says beyond that. I dont care what any of you say. Based on those facts, its really hard to argue in favor a Joe when it comes to coaching on saturday.

by pf289 on Nov 9, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions  

what you don't know is what joe may have done after he followed protocol and informed his boss

he may have received reports from his boss, we don’t know right now. You think when he testified the only thing he testified about was how he directed MM to Curley? You don’t think there is way more to his testimony and are you that stupid that you think the GJ report contains everything that was stated? You don’t think they are witholding some info for prosecution of those that they really feel dropped the ball here, like Joe’s superiors? How thick do you have to be to realize we only know the tip of the iceburg right now and the only administrator that the AG says did the right thing is Joe.

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by BMAN13 on Nov 9, 2011 10:20 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

They aren't really "witholding" anything.

The GJ report contains their “findings” of the information needed to issue the indictments. It doesn’t get into all the evidence it received.

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by PSUinBOSSton on Nov 9, 2011 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

no its pretty easy.

what we dont know is what exactly MM said. What we dont know is what exactly Joe told Curley/Schultz. What we dont know is if joe “followed up” or if he was briefed on the matter or what Curley told him about it all.

People like you want him to do more, yet you have not one inkling of what he actually did or was told.

by swiggy04 on Nov 9, 2011 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

So

If Curley and Shultz had, you know, done their jobs and investigated Sandusky and caught him, by that logic, Joe still should have to resign, because he didn’t also go to the police?

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by psuphysicist on Nov 9, 2011 10:21 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

this a million times

ive said this so many time in the past few days i want to put it on a t-shirt

There are two guys who swept this thing under the rug. Joe is not one of them. People said “go to the police” yet the people entrusted with that duty did nothing. If Schultz does his job and it is investigated and Sandusky is arrested the next day, no one cares what further steps joe “should have taken”

We are villifying Joe Paterno because others failed to do their jobs.

Also if joe goes to the police and they fail to press charges again as they did in 1998, do we then say “Joe should have gone to the coast guard” or the “United Nations” or the “planeteers!”

if people do their jobs, no one cares about Joe Paterno here.

by swiggy04 on Nov 9, 2011 10:36 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

you don’t know what mm said to joe or how it was marginalized. you don’t know what joe reported up the chain or what they told him they did with the information.

this is all a small part of what we don’t know. i’m more interested in finding out what happened in 98. if schultz knew about 98, how did he let 02 slide? what about the charity? what about the da?

by P. Incaviglia on Nov 9, 2011 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh I agree about that. Schulz and Curley are the worst of them all. And also what about that janitor? Why didnt he call the police that night?

by pf289 on Nov 9, 2011 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

and this goes back to mike’s post. it’s not all about joe. there’s a lot we don’t know here, and i’m interested in hearing some reporting on those things. instead all i get are headlines centered around paterno.

by P. Incaviglia on Nov 9, 2011 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

the DA from 1998 is MIA

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by letsgopsu on Nov 9, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

What did he directly allow to happen?

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by PSUinBOSSton on Nov 9, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions  

i dunno, as long as sandusky isnt on the sideline im sure they are ok

In fact if you think those parents are even WATCHING Penn State games after this you think more than I do.

You think Joe should resign and be punished for doing something. Thats fine. I think it sets an odd precedent. Had Joe done nothing then maybe he should move on earlier. As far as what you and I know, he notified two people with authority to act. They didnt. They are gone. Joe is not. Its simple.

Im not even sure he should “retire” at the end of the season. I understand why, thisis going to stick with him and the program. But Im not going to say he should go tomorrow because you happen to not think it was enough. Especially when you point out the reason you dont think its enough is because ESPN, in all their mighty and moral wisdom, told you so.

by swiggy04 on Nov 9, 2011 10:18 AM EST up reply actions  

This is a perfect example of how the media has twisted this story

Joe received one eyewitness account, and he not only went to his boss with it, he made sure the eyewitness got to tell his story directly to the university’s de facto police commissioner. Curley led him to believe the matter was being investigated, and there was never another report of Sandusky having indecent contact with a chilld until 2009, when the grand jury was convened.

What did Joe “allow” to happen?

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by newenglandnittanylion on Nov 9, 2011 10:22 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

You have your ignorant opinions..

based around a lack of facts and formed after hearing people like Chris Carter and Herm Edwards talk about what it means to be a man and play in the NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE.

by RitterPSU on Nov 9, 2011 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

So Joe did nothing wrong?

by pf289 on Nov 9, 2011 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

it’s too early to tell

by P. Incaviglia on Nov 9, 2011 10:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Alright even more so than Joe, do you all think its ok for MM to be on the sideline on saturday?

by pf289 on Nov 9, 2011 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

simply because of the media storm, no. however, i’m not ready to condemn either of them until i know the full truth. that being said, i have a hard time imagining a scenario where mm did the right thing morally.

by P. Incaviglia on Nov 9, 2011 10:20 AM EST up reply actions  

I just think that if I was in MM’s shoes that night, I would have stepped in an either attacked Sandusky or at least called the cops. He did neither. And that is incomprehensible to me. Given that, it would be incomprehensible to me to see MM coaching on the sidelines like he did no wrong and is innocent. While he legally is innocent, I dont understand how he could stand there and feel ok about his decisions.

by pf289 on Nov 9, 2011 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

You don't know what McQ saw?

It’s all in the GJ report. Read it.

“As the graduate assistant put the sneakers in his locker, he looked into the shower. He saw a naked boy, Victim 2, whose age he estimated to be ten years old, with his hands up against the , being subjected to anal intercourse by a naked Sandusky. The graduate assistant was shocked but noticed that both Victim 2 and Sandusky saw him. The graduate assistant left immediately, distraught.”

What did McQ do? Leave the 10 y.o. with the rapist and go call his Dad.

“Daddy what should I do?”
“Son, get out of there. Come over and we’ll discuss what’s best to do for you and PSU.”

Never mind about Victim 2.

by Stay thirsty, my friends. on Nov 9, 2011 10:57 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

yes congrats you read a summary

i have no idea what the actual testimony was or what the questions were. The question could have been “did it look like a*** s**” and his response could have been “maybe” Thats how grand juries work. I still dont know what he saw. Neither do you.

and the point continues, we also dont know how if if he followed up, what he was told, etc.

by swiggy04 on Nov 9, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

be careful taking a grand jury report

making it out to be the whole story. If that were the case, then all we would ever do is convict based on that

there is a reason this stuff is not admissible at trial.

by swiggy04 on Nov 9, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Of course Sandusky is innocent until proven guilty.

Guess we just have to wait for McQ to testify at the trial under oath at what he saw.

by Stay thirsty, my friends. on Nov 9, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

well its true

im not defending sandusky though by any means

im simply saying you cant pretend to know everything that happened to MM at the time or afterwards based on a grand jury report which is written to build a case against Sandusky. It is not out of the realm of possibility for them to spin his testimony to make it look like he saw with great detail that specific act, because if its in the report that way, its easier to indict. It doesnt mean if i asked MM “tell me what you saw”, he would tell me he saw that specific act with great detail and certainty.

by swiggy04 on Nov 9, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

woo Superman!

first of all, they ran when they saw him, that has been stated

was he supposed to run after them, and pick up a naked child he did not know?

he did the right thing

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by letsgopsu on Nov 9, 2011 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

and how do you know he feels OK

by all accounts he was “distraught”

for all you know he has felt sick every day because of this

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by letsgopsu on Nov 9, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, if he feels sick

That makes it all better!

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by Worf on Nov 9, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

There's no way you can imagine yourself in McQueary's shoes

Witnessing something like that must be a shocking experience. Overcome by shock and emotion as Mike was, and we all would be, it’s impossible to know how one would react.

I’m sure he doesn’t “stand there and feel ok about his decisions.” I’m sure he’s haunted by his decisions. I’m sure he wishes he did something differently in retrospect. That doesn’t mean that the things he did and the decisions he made in the moment were incorrect or blameworthy. The same goes for Joe.

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by newenglandnittanylion on Nov 9, 2011 10:31 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

you should have heard mike golic this morning

i only caught it cause i wanted to hear tom rinaldi’s interview.

he said so much nonsense like “break it up you are a grown man!” and “I know what I would have done” hes another cowboy. You dont know. I said it before and I’ll say it again, the best thing for all these cowboys is knowing that walking in on something so horrifying is so unbelievably rare, that they can sit there and say nonsense like that knowing full well they cant be proven right or wrong.

Its like me telling my friends i could hit a golf ball further on the moon than neil armstrong did.

by swiggy04 on Nov 9, 2011 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

It makes them feel better about themselves

I, for one, admit that if I came across someone I have known and trusted all of my life, a neighbor and a father to classmates and friends, a PSU icon, etc., raping a child, I very well might turn and run crying to my daddy like a 12-year-old girl. Who knows? It would be awful, and though I’d like to say I would step in and help the poor kid, I don’t know how I would react until I’m put in that situation (and, oh man, I pray I’m never in that position). I think the people that judge MM are the cowards.

by speedotito on Nov 9, 2011 10:48 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Who knows?

This is the whole point. Not one person here can say with any certainty how they’d react.

Did you ever see Young Guns? It reminds of that scene where that guy is talking in the bar about how hes going to kill Billy the Kid if he ever sees him, and that Billy better run and hide. Then it turns out hes talking to Billy the Kid, who shoots him the chest?

Thats what all this is like. Its all just as silly.

by swiggy04 on Nov 9, 2011 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't give a damn how haunted he is

You know who is haunted? That 10-year-old who realized someone was there and that someone didn’t do anything to help as he was getting his butt raped by a sick old man.

“You go on, tell your dad. Protect your career. I’ve been through this before. Jerry is almost done”

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by Worf on Nov 9, 2011 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

yes right

his only thoughts were about his career.

people are going from misinformed on the subject to just off the wall insane.

by swiggy04 on Nov 9, 2011 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

What other thoughts could there be?

He runs to his dad? He goes to the coach and not to anyone with a badge, gun or gavel? He STAYS at PSU for nine more years and watches Sandusky come and go as he pleases?

Never once does he wonder, “WTF????”

And he sits in people’s living rooms, giving some happy BS about how your child will be protected at PSU.

I guess it wasn’t BS. Children are protected at PSU, provided they can block, tackle, catch or throw.

Anyone else? You’re on your own kid. Stop resisting. Only hurts more.

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by Worf on Nov 9, 2011 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Man that 1-day wait period for your account must have been tough

Until then, who would take up the mantle of telling a community that is trying to deal with a large scale catastrophe that their opinions on many issues is wrong and that they aren’t going about the situation the right way?

You sir, are a true hero. Why don’t you read my post way at the bottom and reply to that? I’m dying to hear your thoughts.

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by OctaShields on Nov 9, 2011 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

three days, actually

You should have seen how mad I was Monday

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by Worf on Nov 9, 2011 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah man, I wish I could have

I’m glad that you’ve finally arrived to tell us how to think. I was wallowing in the mire, literally and/or figuratively for 3 whole days.

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by OctaShields on Nov 9, 2011 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, just in time to make arguments

and espouse positions that haven’t been made or espoused the entire time you were waiting. Your fresh, incisive commentary is a breath of fresh air.

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by OctaShields on Nov 9, 2011 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I've been reading

and I’ve not seen some the arguments. I’ve seen a lot of whining about community and flowcharts and stuff, but not a lot of perspective.

I responded to your thing down at the bottom.

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by Worf on Nov 9, 2011 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, absolutely

I haven’t heard one person express that they fault McQueary or question his manhood or his career motivations. No one has talked about how the real victims that we should be thinking about are the kids. It’s kind of embarrassing that we all missed these topics, but thankfully you have arrived.

In a serious note – dude, this is the internet. You can comment wherever you want, with a few limitations. There are hundreds of places where this scandal is being discussed. What does it say about you that you chose the main online community of the university that has been rocked and changed by the scandal to make your discussions. I’m not even discussing whether I agree or disagree with what you’re saying or why. It’s the priciple.

It’s not a closed community, and you are welcome here if you stay within the terms of service. But you don’t belong here. There is a time and place for everything, and quite frankly this isn’t it for you and your agenda right now. Your motivation is at best self-righteous and at worst absolutely trollish. So continue to do what you’re doing if you wish, but please consider what I’m saying.

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by OctaShields on Nov 9, 2011 5:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Uh-huh

“There is a time and place for everything” and " you don’t belong here."

Attitudes that could very well have enabled a cover-up that left 8-20 (and counting) victims.

Insular, xenophobic rants are just what the doctor ordered here.

Guess what? Breaks over. Time for reflection can wait. Time to move on can wait. Heads haven’t finished rolling yet.

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by Worf on Nov 9, 2011 6:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Ugh.

Nevermind. Do whatever you want.

(Please no one else respond to his comment. It’s not worth it. I tried.)

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by OctaShields on Nov 9, 2011 6:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Good try!!!

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by Worf on Nov 9, 2011 6:18 PM EST up reply actions  

This is a microcosm of this whole country's lack of moral fibre

One principle justified the founding of the United States more than any other: empowerment of the individual. Through such empowerment, an individual could achieve much and protect what he or she achieved from the arbitrary actions of a tyrant. Today our legal system still proudly aims for that goal of empowerment through the doctrine of innocence until guilt is proven.

The majority of people in this country today embrace the diometric opposite of this principle. They feel totally justified in condemning people into oblivion based on accusations alone with literally no evidence. The crazy-dangerous 24 hour news media has no problem fueling this incredibly bad trait of our population.

I can’t wait to hear the students at the Nebraska game. They’ll put on blinders and support the team and Paterno. If in the future someone demonstrates that Paterno did anything wrong, morally or legally, he will (and should) get crucified over it. But until then someone has to counter-balance the typical public excoriation that occurs in this country when anyone is accused of anything.

by PSUCharmas on Nov 9, 2011 10:04 AM EST reply actions   2 recs

On "moral fibre" and "blinders."

It’s frightening that a person would anticipate hotly the “blinders” that would permit blind cheering, and call that an example of superior “moral fibre.”

I suspect that the cheering you relish will strike a few victims and families as bitterly ironic.

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by Bellanca on Nov 9, 2011 10:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Blinders to the media fire storm, not blinders to facts

Of which there are very few relating to Joe Paterno, who per the original story here, is being painted as the center of a criminal scandal.

However, I clearly misrepresented what I meant about moral fibre relating to the students on Saturday. I apologize and let me clarify. I do not consider students cheering for Paterno “an example of superior ‘moral fibre’”. Their blind cheering will merely be a welcome minority voice after listening to the blind condemnation of the media and op-ed pieces. Any argument without a basis in fact can be defeated by any counter-argument also without a basis in fact. Thus, “Joe Paterno should be fired immediately because of his role in a criminal cover up” based on nothing but media frenzy can be defeated by “JoePa-Terno!”

by PSUCharmas on Nov 9, 2011 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

So now that Joe is on his way out

does the media pack its bags and go or what?

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by skarocksoi on Nov 9, 2011 10:05 AM EST reply actions  

lol no

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by ckmneon on Nov 9, 2011 10:05 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah I know

a guy can hope, right?

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by skarocksoi on Nov 9, 2011 10:06 AM EST up reply actions  

This is a better version of what I tried to say in this thread

How much good does a person have to do before he is given THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE of protections against trial without jury, punishment without trial, guilt without evidence? In other words, the benefit of the doubt, until more is demonstrated?

Some people seem to think that considering someone innocent until proven guilty is letting them get away with a crime. People think real life is Law and Order, where someone always turns out to be guilty in the end. Otherwise the perp wouldn’t be one of the characters in the show! In real life, ANYONE can be accused of ANYTHING. It doesn’t mean that person has done anything wrong in his or her entire life.

by PSUCharmas on Nov 9, 2011 10:36 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Boom Goes The Dynamite

All I can say is thank you for writing a responsible article that express exactly how this alum feels about the situation.

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by ozman_fiftyone on Nov 9, 2011 10:05 AM EST reply actions  

Thank you for this

I’ve grown increasingly more frustrated over the past few days at the bullshit that I’m reading or seeing in the ‘news’. I’ve stuck mostly here, because I’ve always seen BSD as a haven for reason, sensibility, and rational discussion. With a few exceptions, the commentariat have continued to be exceptional, and debate has been civil, informed, and appropriate.

I’ll be forwarding this article to everyone I know.

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by psuphysicist on Nov 9, 2011 10:06 AM EST reply actions  

Some guy interviewed LaVar and Mike(?) Wise about it on CNN

last night and referred to JoePa, when reading a transcript of Wise’s article as “Joe P A” as in Joe and then the letter P and then the letter A. Yet these are the guys who we are getting our information from.

by swiggy04 on Nov 9, 2011 10:06 AM EST reply actions  

The change in tone of coverage from Monday to today is shocking

I knew that the University’s stonewalling would anger the press, but I had no idea how sharply that anger would be directed at Joe. He needs to speak to the press TODAY, before this gets any worse. I hope it’s not already too late.

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by newenglandnittanylion on Nov 9, 2011 10:09 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

I'm not sure we'll ever see Joe address the media ever again

The man is 84 years old and to be honest (and come on, we all knew this for a few years) doesn’t speak too eloquently. He speaks from his heart and people just don’t like that. If the statements he made off the cuff last night on his front lawn were any indication, he just doesn’t have the words to address the situation.

by cjapsu on Nov 9, 2011 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

As a Student

This whole situation has been frustrating. Even when I was 8 and going to my first football game at Penn State somehow I knew I would end up going here. I knew my favorite players would change from year to year and there would always be new players coming in. Joepa was the rock, in my naivete I never thought he would be going. I’m glad that I got to see 3 full football seasons with Joe as a coach as a student. Assuming that everything espn has put up this morning is true.

by thegadd on Nov 9, 2011 10:14 AM EST reply actions  

Also

I wasn’t one of those kids mobbing Joe’s house or beaver ave. I had a huge project to finish last night.

by thegadd on Nov 9, 2011 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

I feel pretty bad for the current students

Y’all are getting sh*t on by the media so bad it makes me want to catch the next flight to State College and just sit in the HUB and comiserate. I’m having a hard enough time concentrating on my job and I couldn’t imagine how difficult it would be to study for an ACCTG 472 exam or the like.

by cjapsu on Nov 9, 2011 10:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Seriously

I think back to my Junior and Senior years as a ChemE. 24 hours of sleep in a week (maybe), and that’s was without the circus in town

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by ckmneon on Nov 9, 2011 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah,

I’m a senior ChemE and I have 3 tests this week. It has been ridiculously hard to study. One student asked our profs to give us 10% because of the scandal distraction, he was not surprisingly turned down.

WE'RE DANCIN!!!

by bigs26 on Nov 9, 2011 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Can anyone point to a serious error in reporting by any credible news source that was wrong?

Just asking.

This is a story about deluded self-important local big shots who thought they could protect their collective reputations by covering up crimes committed by one of their home-grown demi-gods.

The victims were from the lowest economic/social strata, and did not exist in their world, never mind being a threat.

The are getting what they deserve.

Thank goodness, and the Press.

Thank the Patriot News.

I Know Nothing! They were just Horsing Around!

by joefromboalsburg on Nov 9, 2011 10:33 AM EST reply actions  

I can't.

We play tackle football.

by Bellanca on Nov 9, 2011 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Have either of you people read any of the comments emanating from this blog!?!?

If all you were doing was watching ESPN all day, I might understand this ignorant position. But did you read Mike post??? It’s the assumptions and conjecture and the laser-like focus on Paterno that are what is wrong with this situation.

by RitterPSU on Nov 9, 2011 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

The problem is it's not reporting any more

There hasn’t been any substantive “news” to report for several days now. So with everyone else at Penn State hiding and staying silent, the media coverage has devolved into opinion pieces about Joe Paterno, because that’s all they know.

It’s lazy of the media to not pursue any substantive aspect of the story, and it’s horrible of the university to remain silent.

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by newenglandnittanylion on Nov 9, 2011 10:41 AM EST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

The Press, especially the Patriot News, can fly a kite

As for the rest, that’s why we go to court

GO IOWA AWESOME, now and forever, unless PSU sees them in the B1G CG
Beat Nebraska.

by ckmneon on Nov 9, 2011 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

And who is "getting what they deserve?"

Spanier, Curley, and Schultz are staying silent and hiding behind closed doors, and the media is basically leaving them alone. Do they deserve that free pass?

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by newenglandnittanylion on Nov 9, 2011 10:47 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

This.

Where is the button to automatically rec all posts by swiggy?

Also, remember, Ballanca is the one yesterday who said that rape = murder. Unfortunately we still have to read and respond to these posts.

by RitterPSU on Nov 9, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes

Bill Reiter, I believe, had an article up on Fox Sports early this morning basically taking one of Joe Pa’s quotes from last night out of context and essentially accusing him of minimizing the victims when he was, in fact, asking people to pray for them. I think the article was taken down. His “reporting” has been pretty shameful.

by speedotito on Nov 9, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

This is unquestionably the worst piece of writing on this topic

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by newenglandnittanylion on Nov 9, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah thats just plain bad.

by pf289 on Nov 9, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

they took the end of one quote

and the beginning of another

what was missed was the catch in his voice and the helpless head shake in between the two statements

"Rabble rabble rabble; fire Joe; snarky meme; rude nickname; rabble rabble rabble

by letsgopsu on Nov 9, 2011 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Chris Spielman

sounds choked up talking about Paterno right now on ESPN. I would not have expected that from and OSU player.

by Ben16 on Nov 9, 2011 10:40 AM EST reply actions  

the few OSU people who have come here have been pretty respectful

"Rabble rabble rabble; fire Joe; snarky meme; rude nickname; rabble rabble rabble

by letsgopsu on Nov 9, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I know we all have different opinions about this entire situation

but I think we can all share our sorrow when reading/hearing Joe’s latest statement. I shed a tear reading that and regardless to my opinion on him and his coaching status this weekend, I am deeply saddened by what he needs to go through and how this is all unraveling.

by pf289 on Nov 9, 2011 10:53 AM EST reply actions  

The only thing that "needs to go through" is the investigation

and the facts that will inevitably come out from said investigation. The rest is your opinion, including how and when you think Paterno should step down.

by RitterPSU on Nov 9, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Sadly, child abuse isn't a unique story. Celebrity is.

I know I’m not going to change any opinions here, but we, as a Penn State Community, shouldn’t take media coverage seriously. The crime is not unique. There is child abuse every day. There are not celebrities peripherally involved in a child abuse scandal every day, and when there are, it’s news.

by InScoresOfOtherGames on Nov 9, 2011 10:58 AM EST reply actions  

The link to this article ought to be posted ...

To the comments sections of every one of these media sharks now riding their “hindsight is 20/20” high horses of moral indignation toward Joepa. Maybe they, and the ignoramuses that comment about things that they know nothing about, learn something.

by Nectir on Nov 9, 2011 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

This has been my opinion all along

Any other course of action by Paterno at any point would have not been the best decision he could make with the information he had. Sure, in hindsight, it seems like he could / should have done more, but only in hindsight, and anyone who says otherwise is wrong.

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by ckmneon on Nov 9, 2011 2:20 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

The media should be proud of themselves

After decades of trying, they’ve finally gotten Paterno’s scalp. Now how about let’s focus on the real criminals…

And, of course, beating Nebraska.

by pricecheck on Nov 9, 2011 11:38 AM EST reply actions  

I like this post

And this is just a quibble – but this sentence, “The longer something doesn’t happen, the more likely it is to happen”, seems like a misunderstanding of probability. I think these traumatic events’ likelihood being constant over time is the most reasonable assumption. I’m guessing you meant to say “The longer a coach’s tenure is, the more likely he is to exit by scandal” which is a statement about all coaches and might be true; but instead if you’re advocating that a Joe Paterno who’s been coach for 20 years is more apt to hire a pedophile than a Joe Paterno who’s been coach for 10, I’m all ears.

by gumbercules on Nov 9, 2011 11:49 AM EST reply actions  

Pobability

I thought the same thing. But I didn’t want to get called a nerd.

'Why would she have you meet her in a bar at ten in the morning?'
'I just figured she was a raging alcoholic'

by psuphysicist on Nov 9, 2011 3:08 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

nerd

"Rabble rabble rabble; fire Joe; snarky meme; rude nickname; rabble rabble rabble

by letsgopsu on Nov 9, 2011 4:00 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

also, kidding

"Rabble rabble rabble; fire Joe; snarky meme; rude nickname; rabble rabble rabble

by letsgopsu on Nov 9, 2011 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Absolutely concur

"Once this story dies down, nothing will be clarified later."

You are so right on, Mike! That is what the media does. They report a bunch of potentially libelous things about people that may or may not be true. They editorialize and sensationalize endlessly without having all the information that should be inherent in developing informed opinions. They do not care whether innocent people are harmed or what careers are destroyed. Then, they just go onto the next story leaving others to clean up the mess and sort out the truth.

by uforabin on Nov 9, 2011 12:07 PM EST reply actions  

Also

Mike, I like the use of the phrase “what the fuck?” I’ve been saying that a lot lately.

by uforabin on Nov 9, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

The media reports like this

All that stuff you hear about political candidates? It’s from the same place.

The mainstream news media, by and large, serves two functions these days: entertainment, and pushing an agenda by manipulating public discourse. The number of outlets/reporters who actually report the news is miniscule. Of those, most get caught up in reporting on the discourse itself, digesting what different sides are saying and why, rather than reporting anything factual.

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by rockyh on Nov 9, 2011 12:08 PM EST reply actions  

Ironic that blogs are now where we have to go to get real news, with real reporting.

Its also sad, because for some reason a lot more people watch ESPN than read this blog.

by RitterPSU on Nov 9, 2011 12:29 PM EST reply actions  

I can't believe that in the 4 hours since this was published, it's already going stale

In the wake of Joe’s retirement announcement, the media has gone from irresponsible and lazy to angry and dangerous.

And yet, I still blame the lack of leadership at the University right now for it. On sensational stories like this, the media becomes a pack of hungry dogs; it’s the way it’s always been, and I can’t see it changing. The university has a staff of people whose job it is to deal with the media, and they’ve been COMPLETELY absent from the scene the past two days, leaving Joe to twist in the wind as the only thing the media can get its hands on.

by newenglandnittanylion on Nov 9, 2011 12:54 PM EST reply actions  

Gary Shultz

I know I do not comment on here much but I have read comments and stories from many news organizations. I am a student at PSU. Why does it seem to me that the media is completely ignoring the fact that Joe Paterno told the man who oversaw the University Police, Gary Shultz? They not reporting the story as the facts are and reporting what the want to report on which is Joe Paterno.

by canesfan4life on Nov 9, 2011 1:46 PM EST reply actions  

I don't feel like starting a FanPost, so I'll post this here.

In 2004 or 2005 I heard from a person who heard from a source that was very well-positioned to know such information (not affiliated with Penn State in any way) that Jerry Sandusky was suspected of molesting children. That reports had been made or sufficient rumors were out there and that certain agencies were definitely investigating in some way. I believe I also heard that Sandusky had been moved within the organization to have less exposure to the children, or something along those lines.

I had knowledge about rumors with some authoritative weight behind them. But I also didn’t know, as the agency didn’t know at that time to the extent needed for anything to come from it. If people whose job it was to look into such things were looking into them, I figured it would be best to not even think about it until something came out.

I was automatically skeptical, both of Sandusky and of whatever informal or formal reports might have been made to cause the agency to investigate. I was skeptical that Sandusky was so involved with his chartiy, since it gave him a lot of access to young and disadvantaged kids. Then I was skeptical that since he was so involved with children, there could be some sort of misunderstanding or false reporting that really didn’t indicate any sort of nefarious behavior. I didn’t know, and you better believe I was afraid to tell ANYONE what I had heard. That’s not the type of thing you put out there about someone, especially if you aren’t a first-hand source to any real information.

Could I have done something to stop what happened after 04 or 05? Maybe I could have, I don’t know. I regret that I wasn’t able to. Could the person I heard from, or the person they heard from, or however many other people had heard something about it have done something? Maybe they could have. Could the one or two people that I told what I had heard have done something? Maybe they could have. I’m assuming we all were keenly aware of our own double skepticism and trusted that people whose jobs it is to investigate these types of rumors were going to do so correctly.

Now, in hindsight, knowing that a lot of incidences allegedly happened before and after, it really sucks. If I could go back in time, I’d have done something differently. I’d have maybe got involved in the Second Mile personally and tried to make sure everything was on the up and up and expose anything suspicious. I’d have maybe anonymously called the police or something. With the benefit of hindsight, I too, wish I had done something more.

"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.

by OctaShields on Nov 9, 2011 1:49 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

we are in similar situations Octa

should I have suspected something? could I have?

trust me, those questions are tearing me up

"my dad says Michigan used to be good"

by hbeach08 on Nov 9, 2011 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

With all due respect?

Your situation mirrors what a lot of people go through. You hear of things from people who heard from people that someone is suspected.

I don’t know what role or power you had, but you’re also talking about third-hand info that was still at the suspicions level. And this is in a small town and a relatively respected figure was involved. I can forgive second-thoughts.

But I also hope you can see the difference between hearing third-hand that someone was suspected and actually walking in on something happening? Firsthand, direct knowledge? I’d hope you’d do more than run, wait a day and then not follow up.

I’m anxious to find out what McQueary truly did, if he did more. Because right now, he is, relative to what he KNEW and COULD HAVE DONE, is the biggest coward of this story.

"It's all in the game, yo"

by Worf on Nov 9, 2011 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Great article

It is hilarious that all these “journalists” do is bag on Joe for failure in reporting, yet THEY are the ones who are failing at reporting

by sanfranfanmdk on Nov 9, 2011 5:50 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Sad

I came to this blog after reading somewhere that there was some well written content about the scandal but this post must not have been what they were referring to.

Mike, since you are being so critical of the media and talk about how there is no journalism going on here, I have a few questions that maybe your crack staff can find the answers to:

1. Why would a 55yo defensive coordinator suddenly “retire” after being named NCAA Football Assistant coach of the year?
2. Why would that coach then complain to one of his victims that he was just told he would never be the head coach if he was really retiring?

After you get the answers to the first two questions, if you still don’t know then please ask if anyone with half a brain thinks that Paterno did not get rid of him because of the molestation investigation in 1998.

3. How many kids were molested since 1998?

4. How many kids were molested in the PSU Football showers besides ones we know about?

5. Who is the head football coach and ultimately responsible for what happens in the football facilities?

6. Why would a 6’4’’ GA former QB call his Dad and not go to the police or better yet, not intervene?

7. Why would Coach Paterno not want to know the details from the GA?

I can imagine the converation went something like this:
McQuery: Coach I have something to tell you about Coach Sandusky
Paterno: (under his breath, “not again”) Is it bad?
McQuery: Yes Coach, I was walking into the locker room near the showers and heard
Paterno: interrupts – Stop, do not say another word. Don’t tell anyone. Let’s call the Athletic Director (that is the best one, criminal act being committed let’s call the guy that has nothing to do with crimes)

8. I would really love to hear the answer that Sheldon Kennedy posed to Rick Reilly in his excellent column, if you can ask Paterno one question make it this: “Does Paterno have grandkids? (Yes, 17.) How would he feel if it were one of his grandkids in that shower with the coach? What would he have done then?”

Everyone should do themselves a favor and read the Reilly piece, it is really what should have been said in this post instead of a not so thinly veiled attempt at absolving your precious coach from any guilt:
http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/7208581/rick-reilly-penn-state-scandal

I understand blind faith in your team and school but this is ridiculous. Anyone that posts anything dissenting is instantly dismissed as having an agenda in the big conspiracy against St Joe.

Here is what one of the best athletes EVER from Penn State has to say on the issue. A former American Record Holder in the steeplechase and 1/2 marathon, George Malley posted this on the running web site LetsRun.com (where typical to this site the only people supporting PSU and JoPa are alums). One exerpt:

Maybe you are still Penn State, but I am not.

I am requesting that any association between myself and Penn State be terminated. All references linking me to Penn State — in text or images in Penn State media guides and the PSU Hall of Shame — shall be removed permanently. I do not bleed blue and white, I bleed red. I could give a damn about the institution whose negligence created the atmosphere and opportunity for a monster to stalk the community for victims. I’m outraged by the misconduct by those enablers who allowed this scandal to happen.

I’m turning my back on you and all those who still support Penn State.

If I were to drive down to Penn State All Sports Museum tomorrow, with an HD video recorder and a can of spray paint in hand, and spray-painted over an image of myself "F U C K YOU JOE". Do you think the university would sit on the incident and do nothing for 13 years?

Penn State Football has never been the lily-white program that has been portrayed. It was an isolated an untouchable regime, a culture that was cultivated by Joe Paterno and enabled by blind and diffident University officials and an adoring fan base. It was corrupt to the core.

The Sandusky child rape incidents were not an anomaly. They were the culmination of the leitmotiv that had spanned decades.

In 1973, Penn State quarterback Tom Shuman raped a freshman student. Paterno himself got involved and intimidated the girl, and charges never saw the light of day. I have no doubt that over Paterno’s storied career on the field there were many other such misdeeds off of it, this latest one being exposed only because of the heinousness and repulsiveness of crimes. Had it been merely another rape, you would have never heard a thing.

Read more: http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=4311025&page=0#ixzz1dSG5kPQS

by NY2FLA on Nov 11, 2011 9:41 PM EST reply actions  

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