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The Urban Meyer Effect, Or The Importance of Being Earnest

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Urban Meyer was officially hired as the new head coach at Ohio State on Monday. By Tuesday, the top recruit in the state of Pennsylvania, one that before last weekend didn't appear to have any interest (as of the writing of this article, Ohio State didn't even appear on his Interest list on 247Sports), said the Buckeyes were "definitely on the top of the list for now." Urban Meyer is going to be very difficult to deal with for the next however many years he lasts in Columbus.

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Noah Spence is just the beginning...technically. One day before Meyer's hire was announced, the first official "flip" occurred, with three-star Florida wide receiver Ricquan Southward dropping his commitment to Miami and choosing the Buckeyes instead. With sixteen commits upon taking office, Meyer is looking at five or so more before the door is closed on the Ohio State Class of 2012. And he's is just getting started.

Meyer went right to work, contacting both Spence and Demetrious Cox ($) within 24-hours of accepting the job. Further, it appears that Meyer is going after Armani Reeves, in addition to other current Penn State targets like RB Wes Brown. With Ohio State already having lost some high profile commitments in this class due to their own issues, Meyer is keeping a close eye on the remaining commitments. But most of those are likely to hold, so Meyer unfortunately has time to spend targeting top Penn State recruits.

Current Penn State staff members are hitting the trail hard as well, don't get me wrong. But with uncertainty in the air, the staff is having trouble telling these kids what the future may hold. This is why Penn State needs to act quickly.

Brady Hoke and Greg Mattison came in last year and immediately made an impact in recruiting (not to mention getting back to the typically successful Michigan way on the field). Now, Meyer and Ohio State are forces to be reckoned with, and the Ohio State staff is only going to grow in the coming days and weeks.

Whomever the choice is for Penn State (and I'm not endorsing one particular choice here), he needs to get on the road immediately to counteract the head start that others have in swaying the remaining targets away from State College. The longer the search committee waits to pick a candidate (and then offer said candidate, etc.), the longer that Noah Spence and Demetrious Cox will waver in relation to Penn State. Eventually, other schools will start contacting these (and other) recruits and/or commits and try to get them out of Penn State. Luckily, we've only lost one scholarship commitment in the aftermath. Here's to a quick coaching choice, and no further fallout.

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Good article Jeff

Although this is enough to make my stomach turn thinking of all the players Meyer could take from PSU. I know for years people have complained because Joe never “locked down” PA….well I think we’re going to see firsthand the closest thing to someone locking down an area when Meyer gets going. I think PSU fans are going to have to get used to it being a fight for any of the top prospects in the area for as long as Meyer is around.

In your honest opinion, is there any coach PSU can bring in that could rival what Meyer is doing? Or will this be a long few years until maybe the “next” coach comes in for PSU? And any word on the type of coordinators that Meyer will be bringing in. I’ve heard OSU is giving him almost unlimited finances to hire whatever assistants he needs and that the LSU D Coord. may be coming to Columbus.

by GMac14 on Dec 1, 2011 8:23 AM EST reply actions  

Really, I'm not sure who could rival him. I'm sure there are coaches out there that can do it, but I just don't know.

Battling for talent in the south against LSU, Alabama, etc. is tough, especially with two other big schools in-state (not to mention up-and-comers USF and UCF). In Ohio, Meyer is the cock of the walk, really the only game in town. It’s why Tressel was able to clean up (well, that, and the other stuff). Add in Hoke/Mattison to the north, and the next PSU coach is going to have to be a world beater on the recruiting trail to keep up.

In my opinion, and as much as it pains me, you need someone like Brian Kelly and staff, coaches that are willing to go the extra mile (meeting with recruits at 4am? No problem).

As for his coordinators, I don’t know. He lost many of his best guys to head coaching spots, so it will be interesting to see who he gets. The only coach I’ve read about so far is that he’s bringing his old S&C coach from Florida.

by Jeff Junstrom on Dec 1, 2011 8:33 AM EST up reply actions  

His S&C guy was good!

I meet him and adopted his lifting program at my high school. It develops explosive speed and flexibility. As for the LSU D coordinator that is Chavis and he is a native of South Carolina. I really don’t see him making a lateral move to a Big Ten School. Now I could see him taking a HC job, but why leave LSU for OSU?

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by carolinaeasy on Dec 1, 2011 10:00 AM EST up reply actions  

I "met" him.

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by carolinaeasy on Dec 1, 2011 10:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Looks like the DC may be Mike Stoops


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by Bud Elliott on Dec 1, 2011 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

How about Mike Munchak?

He’s been said to have contacted Penn St about the job. Not sure how good he’d be in attracting recruits, but he sure looks like he might be a good choice.

by psualum58 on Dec 1, 2011 6:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Not Going To Lie..

This is exactly what I was afraid would happen, and exactly why I was hoping Urban Meyer would be hired by Penn St. (More reasons than just this, but def. this too). The guy has a history of success where ever he goes, kills it in recruiting, and to my knowledge doesn’t have too bad a history with NCAA violations. I don’t think I’d be as irked by this if he went to any other conference or any other team than O$U.. Here’s hoping we get the right guy for us

by Domin8ing the Big Ten(11) on Dec 1, 2011 9:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Rival

The only coach whom I think could rival him recruiting wise would be Carroll, and in no way shape or form am I endorsing him to be the next HC at Penn State. I am praying Meyer treats this like the rest of his stops, 5 years and done. Bringing in someone for us who can weather that storm or at least deal with it for five years is key right now. Who best fits that, well that is open to discuss.

by va2pennstate on Dec 1, 2011 8:35 AM EST reply actions  

I think only Saban could have the same impact...

…on potential recruits at this point. And PSU sure as hell isn’t going to spend the money necessary to woo him to SC.

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by LowcountryLion on Dec 1, 2011 8:57 AM EST up reply actions  

He wouldn't leave Bama right now either

If he would he is a lunatic

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by carolinaeasy on Dec 1, 2011 10:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Let's become a BB power

Why don’t we just give OSU the Big10 crown and forget about competing on the field.

by bluebellgolfer on Dec 1, 2011 8:37 AM EST reply actions  

Think ND

ND has been hiring the next Knute, Ara, Frank for the past 20 years and has not turned football on its ear.

by bluebellgolfer on Dec 1, 2011 8:41 AM EST up reply actions  

I kind of agree

But, I also don’t want them to make a hasty decision to save one recruiting class. Fortunately, I think there is enough time to make an informed decision that looks at the long term and still allows us to have a good recruiting class this year. I also think with any coaching change, we’re going to lose some recruits.

by speedomike on Dec 1, 2011 8:41 AM EST reply actions  

THIS

We need to be thinking in the 5-10 year range in making a head coaching decision. Not focusing on filling the gap quickly to keep one or two kids from decommitting. We’re going to take our lumps this year regardless. It’s best to get the right guy in place to make an impact in the 2013 class.

by BSD on Dec 1, 2011 9:17 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I don't think I've seen you comment on any of the coaching search so far Mike,

do you have any thoughts/preference as to who you think PSU should hire?

by GMac14 on Dec 1, 2011 9:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Not really

I don’t have a specific name I’m really pulling for. I like Bradley, but I would like to see them hire somebody who has some experience coaching outside of the Penn State program. Things have been too stale around here for the past 30 years. It’s time to do some innovation, and by innovation I mean doing some stuff other people have been doing for years. Like man-to-man defense and developing a quarterback.

Ultimately, I want someone with some head coaching experience. I think we need a guy with impeccable integrity to show we still understand some things need to come before football. I would also like to see someone with some kind of tie to PSU. Doesn’t have to be a former player or coach, but someone who at least spent some time in PA observing or even cheering for the program. I think that’s important. I don’t want to see us make a Rich Rodriguez hire and have some guy come in with no appreciation for the PSU tradition and family atmosphere that turns away former players and makes them angry. No guy can survive in this job if he doesn’t accept the PSU family.

I’m intrigued by Dan Mullen. I’ve read that he grew up in PA as a PSU fan or something, so I would think he “gets” Penn State. I’ve also read that he was the brains behind Urban Meyer’s offense, and the big reason why Florida’s offense sucked their final year under Meyer was because Mullen had left for Miss St.

Other guys I think should get consideration would be Pat Fitzgerald and John Huffnagel. But mostly I’m just sitting back and watching events unfold.

by BSD on Dec 1, 2011 9:34 AM EST up reply actions  

I Read an ESPN article (I know, I know)...

That said we are also interested in Boise St.‘s Chris Peterson and TCU’s Gary Patterson.. intriguing options maybe?

by Domin8ing the Big Ten(11) on Dec 1, 2011 9:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe

I’ve read before that Peterson has a special needs child and he doesn’t want to uproot his family and leave. Think about all the jobs that guy could have taken the past three or four years. I don’t think he’s all the sudden going to jump on the Penn State job.

I don’t know about Patterson. He’s shown he can somewhat dominate the mid-major circuit, but other than beating Wisconsin in the Rose Bowl last year, I can’t think of a big name BCS school he has defeated. And like I said in the previous comment, do we know if he “gets” Penn State? I just don’t know much about him, so I’ll pass.

by BSD on Dec 1, 2011 9:59 AM EST up reply actions  

I think Petersen just took the UCLA job

I had also seen one of the national CFB writers tweet that one of Petersen’s son’s doctors had moved to LA, so if that’s true, it’s kind of an obvious move for him.

by Chris Grovich on Dec 1, 2011 10:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Wow

That’s a pretty big hire for UCLA if that’s true. And you can’t fault the guy for going somewhere that is going to help his son.

by GMac14 on Dec 1, 2011 10:02 AM EST up reply actions  

thought I read a tweet

that he doesnt have a special needs child at all. His son had cancer, but it was treated and in remission.

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by skarocksoi on Dec 1, 2011 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

His son had cancer, but is fine today (apparently)

The Big Lead breaks down the recent story on this. Rick Reilly tweeted that UCLA was sweetening the pot for Petersen by ensuring that his “special needs” kid would be well-treated at their health center. A reporter at the Idaho Statesmen clarified that Petersen’s 11 year old son, Sam, was diagnosed with cancer when he was 1, but is healthy and happy today. And there’s lots of rumors that Petersen is looking to leave Boise this year.

Hmmm…if only Penn State had a good story to tell about pediatric cancer…oh wait…

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Dec 1, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah, wow

THON could be one hell of a draw for a guy whos been through something like that. Thanks for looking up that info though, I knew I saw it out there at one point.

Also, throw in the fact that UPMC is a very highly respected hospital on the east coast and not far from PSU, should anything else (hopefully never) arises.

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by skarocksoi on Dec 1, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I believe..

Patterson was the TCU coach when they beat Oklahoma in Norman.

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by Esteban d' Amur on Dec 1, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with you assessment on Mullen

But having met him at UF, and having watched nearly every game they played in Tebow’s last two years there, the missing piece was not Mullen. It was the fact that they had lost Percy Harvin to the NFL. They didn’t have a player who could stretch the field horizontally and that allowed teams to pack up in and take away the underneath stuff.

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by carolinaeasy on Dec 1, 2011 10:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Granted

I’ve taken that into consideration as well. But for all of the slobbering over Urban Meyer the past year, that guy had two national championships in the previous four years, his last Florida team was awful. Tebow was great, but you would think with all that success they had they would have recruited better and not skipped a beat when Tebow and Harvin left.

I know the guy has two national championship rings on his fingers, but he didn’t get them all by himself. His success was greatly due to the people around him. He won’t have those people at Ohio State, so we’ll see if he can duplicate that success.

by BSD on Dec 1, 2011 10:09 AM EST up reply actions  

And that's something to consider about a lot of head coaches

If you don’t have the staff around you, it’s hard to be successful. For as good as Pete Carroll was (albeit illegally mostl), USC slipped a bit after they started losing their coordinators. And does anybody know what Meyer’s “specialty” is? Offense? Defense? Tim Tebow? I think it does fit a bigger picture that a coach is only going to be as successful as the guys he puts around him.

by GMac14 on Dec 1, 2011 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

special teams is what he coaches

offense is his thing too

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by skarocksoi on Dec 1, 2011 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Wait?

There are special teams coaches??

by GMac14 on Dec 1, 2011 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm with Mike on this part

Let’s see how he does without all the guys who got him the wins at Utah and Florida. Until proven otherwise, that last year at Florida is more indicative of him going forward.

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by Smee on Dec 1, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

At some point, losing so many assistants will take it's toll

And I think that’s what happened with him at Florida. So I agree that we’ll have to wait and see what kind of staff he puts around him before making judgements.

by GMac14 on Dec 1, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Losing Cam Newton and having to play John Brantley in the spread didn't do him many favors either.

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by Adam Collyer on Dec 1, 2011 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Could it also be argued...

That he is responsible for bringing in those talented coaches that helped him succeed? If not, and having the reputation that he does, I don’t think it would be difficult for him to attract talented assistants to himself especially at a place like O$U

by Domin8ing the Big Ten(11) on Dec 1, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

We're going to take our lumps EVERY year with the current UM and OSU staffs.

I’m not saying make the decision yesterday. But as I wrote, the sooner we get the right guy into Lasch and then out on the road, the better it will be at stopping the flow of Urbz.

by Jeff Junstrom on Dec 1, 2011 9:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah I know

Your recruiting spin dial has landed on “Sky Falling” this week.

by BSD on Dec 1, 2011 10:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Really?

If we don’t get Noah Spence then Penn State won’t be able to put 11 guys on the field next year?

I think we a different perception of “the sky is falling”.

by BSD on Dec 1, 2011 10:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Spence, Cox, Reeves, etc.

Did you read the article and other linked articles, or is the Recruiting Troll Boner especially stiff this morning?

Urban Meyer next door is trouble. And he’ll continue to be trouble until we can get someone to at least try to counteract what he’s doing.

by Jeff Junstrom on Dec 1, 2011 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

WE ARE.....

in trouble regardless whomever is next door. Unless they hire Bradley, and they won’t, the recruiting process is in “Sky is falling” status. Can’t blame kids for bailing if they especially don’t know whether a coach will be there and if, and it’s the big IF, that the NC2A will swoop down and punish us for lack of institutional control.

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by DerryPharmer on Dec 1, 2011 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

But my point was that we can stop the "Sky is falling" status by making the right hire, quickly.

And I’m not even sure we’re in “Sky is falling” status yet. Like I said, we’ve only lost one commit. If the rest stay, it’ll be great. But also, Meyer only has 5 spots left and 6 weeks to do it. Next year, when he has 25 openings and a full year, we’re in trouble without some firepower of our own.

by Jeff Junstrom on Dec 1, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, baby!

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by DerryPharmer on Dec 1, 2011 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Yea, and this is about the point where the divide among commenters begins.

I’ll agree that football is played 12 Saturdays a year. But if you’re fielding a team of McGloins, you’re in trouble 12 Saturdays a year. I’m not saying that’s where we’re at, but not caring about recruiting is a slippery slope to Mediocrity City.

by Jeff Junstrom on Dec 1, 2011 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

If you field a team of 11 Boldens you're in more trouble

but we’ve had that fight before.

Of course, recruiting matters, and the future staff will, I’m sure, do their best. But personally, I’ll never wait with baited breathe to hear what some teenager says or tweets, and I’ll never judge this team on the decisions of 17 and 18 year-olds.

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Dec 1, 2011 10:35 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I think your last sentence represents a flaw in this whole argument.

Those of us that care to follow recruiting also don’t judge THIS team on the decisions of 17 and 18 year olds. There is a separation of arguments about recruiting and on-field success. We can have a shitty recruiting year but win the Rose Bowl, and visa versa.

by Jeff Junstrom on Dec 1, 2011 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

but you do judge the staff on their recruiting success, right?

and you judge them on that success by looking at recruits as recruits, not as college football players…right? even before those guys ever step onto campus, it certainly seems to me that those who care to follow recruiting often have a lot of positive or negative opinions of the coaching staff.

Personally, I judge the coaching staff based on what happens on those 12 Saturdays and with graduation rates, but not on recruiting. Sure, the Jimmys and the Joes AND the Xs and the Os all play a part in what happens those 12 Saturdays, but I wait until then to make judgments; if Noah Spence or Terrelle Pryor or Joe Montana chooses to play somewhere else, that fact alone does not really affect my view of the team or the coaches or the B1G.

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by spakajewia on Dec 1, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Just curious

But isn’t there a pretty basic correlation between recruiting in the dark years compared to the re-focusing of recruiting in 2004 and beyond (i.e. Dan Connor and those guys) resulting in to our recent success?

by STU Boy on Dec 1, 2011 11:00 AM EST up reply actions  

What I'm saying

Is the coaching was always there, we always had good coaches, we just needed the players to compete.

by STU Boy on Dec 1, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

I think you can have separate opinions of a coach depending on what aspect of their job we're discussing.

I judge the staff’s success on the recruiting trail AND on the field. Just like overall, an individual coach can be the best recruiter in the world but can’t coach his way out of a paper bag.

by Jeff Junstrom on Dec 1, 2011 11:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Also known as the Zookian Paradox

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by skarocksoi on Dec 1, 2011 11:01 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

On the whole recruiting is a nasty, despicable situation.

I am knee deep in it right now with three D1 level recruits. I see stuff that would make you sick. But even I have to agree that we need to be concerned with getting a coach who can recruit well. But I also think that Penn State’s recruiting ground isn’t PA or Ohio but rather Maryland, Virginia, and the North East. That is why I want to see us move to the ACC (pipe dream I know).

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by carolinaeasy on Dec 1, 2011 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for your perspective

I consider you the most credible person on this board on the topic of recruiting. You’re out there on the front lines.

by BSD on Dec 1, 2011 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

What are some examples?

Obviously no names, but I have no connection or point of reference.

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by SarcasmJam on Dec 1, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Well and in this specific case of OSU

with a top head coach (which we saw under Tressel), OSU was going to get top recruits no matter what. The fact they are the ONLY school in Ohio helps and they are a top 10 program. I just think with Meyer, now it opens them up to the top 5% of recruits, whom they may not have had much of a chance with now.

by GMac14 on Dec 1, 2011 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Wait a minute.

We have a different perception of a lot of things, if you suddenly change the conversation to from “Urban Meyer is poaching some very important prospects from PSU” to “Penn State won’t be able to put 11 guys on the field next year”.

by Chris Grovich on Dec 1, 2011 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Fair Enough

I think our differences are rooted in our overall view of the world. Winning football games has taken a backseat for me lately. I watch and cheer for the team, but I don’t let it ruin my weekend when they lose a game or a big name recruit decides to go somewhere else. But I understand some people are in that hyperfan mode. I used to be there myself. I was just offering a different perspective on things. Wasn’t meant to be trolling. Sorry if it was taken that way.

by BSD on Dec 1, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

To mediate

I believe Chris is saying “the sky is falling” specifically re:2012 recruiting

I believe Mike is saying “the sky isn’t falling” in general, since 2012 recruiting is not enough to significantly change the altitude of “the sky” in a big picture view, whether for the overall outlook of the football team or life in general.

Neither of you are necessarily wrong.

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by OctaShields on Dec 1, 2011 12:42 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Octa

This is the internet. Please treat it as such.

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by psuphysicist on Dec 1, 2011 12:48 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

One player

doesn’t equate to “the sky is falling”

by FB6244 on Dec 1, 2011 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Welp.

Guess it’s time to turn my hatred of OSU back up to 11.

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by 06Lion on Dec 1, 2011 8:49 AM EST reply actions  

I watched that Meyer interview with Rinaldi

Is it me, or does it look like his heart is not into it? Pun intended.

by Mr. Rosewater on Dec 1, 2011 9:43 AM EST reply actions   2 recs

he needs to take a step back

especially if he wants to make it at OSU without having any more heath issues. If he thought Florida fans were demanding…

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by skarocksoi on Dec 1, 2011 9:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Which is just an interesting situation

because if the rumors were true that he left Florida because it was too demanding in the SEC, he pretty much went to the only other school in the country whose fans are as bad as SEC fans.

by GMac14 on Dec 1, 2011 10:00 AM EST up reply actions  

This isn't being sour grapes

I really don’t think it’s going to work out at OSU. I just don’t see the fire in him anymore.

by Mr. Rosewater on Dec 1, 2011 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

And believe me

I would feel the same way had he chosen Penn State .

by Mr. Rosewater on Dec 1, 2011 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

I see 2 or 3 years of good Urban

they have some good pieces right now, and Miller should be able to run Urban’s offense well. After that period is over though and we see the results of a lot of the behind the scenes work Urban has had to put in, then we can tell.

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by skarocksoi on Dec 1, 2011 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Rough crowd.

Been in both stadiums and OSU seems to get extremely pissed off at their own team the minute anything goes haywire. At Beaver Stadium, in 5 years of games while a student and about 8 years as an alumni, I can only think of a rare handful of times where we have been that hard on our own players or coaches. We will have to see how patient the Buckeyes are with UM…

by cs93 on Dec 1, 2011 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

OK......

After 61 years Joe is gone. No more bitchin’ about locking down Pa. or recruiting in general. No more bitchin’ about a program that has gone stale concerning the running of same program. The recommendations to hire a guy who has some, at least, feelings for PSU is a just plain stupid remkark to make, since those guys are either dead, out of coaching or talking heads and not interested. Trying to find somebody to run the FB program is something new for PSU and giving anyone a long term contract for the stingy salary that they are talking about just won’t do it. WE like to think (me included) that the next hire is just going to step in and win 10 games per year and contend for the MNC every year. Unless I am wrong, I would rather be the 2nd coach hired after Joe. If not Bradley(despite the committee saying that they will consider him and I don’t think he has a chance) then they are going to hire some unknown, with a 500 or less w/l record. No one, at least in their right mind and due to recent events is going to come here for Joe’s 1.3 mil salary. The disgrace will be when they have to start offering the big names ~4-5 mil. With the makeup of the search committee, they’ll be looking for a Div 3 coach that will live in the Lasch for 800 grand. AND urban was NEVER going to come here because of the salary, believe me or not and I haven’t led you astray yet.

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by DerryPharmer on Dec 1, 2011 10:15 AM EST reply actions  

Is there any shot at a new HC coming in, while letting Scrap back down to DC?

This would allow the dust to settle if there happened to be any scandal attached to him (I know most of us believe that there is not, but the torch/pitchfork folks might disperse in a couple years) while at the same time keep him in the seat for a future shot at HC? Everyone to date has made it sound like it’s all or nothing for Bradley. The same conversations were being had about Fickell (in a slightly different situation), but now that he seems to be retained on staff at OSU, I think he is in the second best of possible outcomes, maybe even THE best outcome.

by cs93 on Dec 1, 2011 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Noah Spence

Was a long shot in the first place. And whatever chance there was disappeared when the scandal broke. We all remember his tweet, right?

While it’s tough to lose another high profile recruit from Bishop McDevitt, we all survived when LeSean McCoy when to Pitt. (Royster was better in college)

Development > Recruiting

by NittanyBlueHen on Dec 1, 2011 10:21 AM EST reply actions  

I'd like to save time and finish out the rest of this debate for everyone

OMG STARZ!!!!

NO TEH STARZ SUX!!! COACHING!!!!

RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!

no one changes their mind.

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by skarocksoi on Dec 1, 2011 10:24 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

"I didn't get a harrummph out that guy."

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by DerryPharmer on Dec 1, 2011 10:26 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Hilarious!

This was my first thought exactly. NICE!!

by AdamP84 on Dec 1, 2011 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

I have a feeling I'm going to go away for the rest of the morning

and then when I check back at like 1:00 this thread will be around 300 and it will be the stars vs coaching debate all over again. Although this one has some of the step dad fighting with real dad feeling to it and us kids are watching it and unsure of what’s going to happen.

by GMac14 on Dec 1, 2011 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

What skarocksoi said, as to the last line...

But as to Spence, I don’t think he was a longshot. LJSr. and Noah’s father, Greg, had formed a great relationship, and I would have called PSU the leader 6 weeks ago. They are still in it, but NOW it’s a longshot.

And IIRC, didn’t McCoy have grade/character issues?

by Jeff Junstrom on Dec 1, 2011 10:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Grade/character issues? Yes.

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by DerryPharmer on Dec 1, 2011 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Dont recall character issues...

Just that he committed to Miami (which is a good indication of character issues). But changed his mind after they changed coaches. Was without a school for a bit and ended up at Pitt. (also a good indication of character issues). So yeah, lets say he had character issues.

by NittanyBlueHen on Dec 1, 2011 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

That was Devlin, wasnt it?

Except ended up at PSU. Maybe both though.

I always heard a story that he came on his visit and was being very disrespectful to a lot of the people and MRob (or was it DC?) basically told the coaches he was being an ass.

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by skarocksoi on Dec 1, 2011 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

I believe it was someone on here

that told the story of McCoy cursing out Michael Robinson when McCoy stepped on the lion logo in the locker room during a visit. Robinson told him what was up and McCoy apparently cursed him out. Yeah, fuck that pos, nobody bitches out Michael Robinson.

by pf289 on Dec 1, 2011 10:36 AM EST up reply actions  

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by skarocksoi on Dec 1, 2011 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

The character issues were.....

perceived as “attitude” problem whatever that meant…..all that being said, I never have heard anything since then about him and he has done quite well for himself, soooo………

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by DerryPharmer on Dec 1, 2011 10:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Where was Spence leaning before Meyer came in?

I know PSU got dropped down because of everything that has happened, but did he have a front runner?

by GMac14 on Dec 1, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Well it sounds like Meyer helped move him to OSU

but I can’t imagine he was seriously considering Maryland or UNC. If he’s as good as everyone says, I would think he would have jumped somewhere else, in this case, it just happened to be OSU. Right?

by GMac14 on Dec 1, 2011 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Remember too

OSU’s coaching situation was much more in flux than ours was, so that may have prevented him from looking hard at them early on. If we hire a new coach (or just solidify the coaching situation in general), we could be very well back in it. Meyer or no meyer.

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by skarocksoi on Dec 1, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Yep. I'm sure he didn't want to go play for Luke Fickell, who he knew was gone after this year

So he waited to see what happened and then turned up his interest when Meyer showed up. I agree that with a good hire, PSU could jump back into it. Again, I just have a hard time believing if he is that good of a kid he is going to end up at Maryland or UNC, unless he is going to play basketball too.

by GMac14 on Dec 1, 2011 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

UNC had Julius Peppers

I dont know how serious his interest was, but playing at your parent’s alma mater is a draw for some kids.

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by skarocksoi on Dec 1, 2011 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

How highly recruited was Peppers?

I honestly don’t know, just wondering. And interesting you mention him because he actually ended up playing basketball. When Carolina was going through their own “dark years” with Matt Daugherty he ended up playing.

And I guess I should preface by saying I understand that really good kids go to programs that aren’t power houses all the time, I just figure from the hype that I’ve heard surrounding Spence, he would seem to be a kid who would want to play for a more traditional football power.

by GMac14 on Dec 1, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

No clue on Peppers

He seems to be a level headed kid, and his parents are pretty involved in his recruting process from my understanding, so it wouldnt surprise me that much to see good academic schools be favored over just football schools.

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by skarocksoi on Dec 1, 2011 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Ahhhh, the Man of reason and sound mind responds.

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by DerryPharmer on Dec 1, 2011 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

As an engineer (choo choo!), here is the overly simplistic way I look at it. Urb isn’t going to be significantly better than Sweatervest at cherrypicking who he wants from the Ohio-Pennsylvania area. Whether or not we "improve" our recruiting situation relies more on whoever the next coach at PSU is. If this coach and his staff can do a better job than Paterno and the current staff at getting talent in the door, we’ll have more 4 and 5 star kids. That’s what it boils down to in my mind.

FWIW, I don’t want a clean sweep of the staff. If we bring on a new head guy I would love if the defensive side was retained, even if it means a continuation of the Cover 3 BBDS scheme. I don’t see how there is any chance a new coach would pull together a defensive staff that would exceed the group we have now. And I want LJ Sr to keep hugging it out. That guy produces so many beasts.

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by 06Lion on Dec 1, 2011 10:33 AM EST reply actions  

I agree with the recruiting stuff here

I dont know that its going to be all that much different. We werent really pulling guys out of OH and the top guys were always a battle (we sometimes won or sometimes lost). Plus I always thought Meyer was a national guy, pulling recruits from everywhere, not just all local. And I wouldn’t be surprised to see him go after Florida guys still, considering his connections and need for “southern speed” for his offense.

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by skarocksoi on Dec 1, 2011 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

And that was a point I made up above. OSU is going to get 95% of the top guys in Ohio because it’s the ONLY school in the state that matters and kids grow up wanting to be Buckeyes…it’s nauseating…but it’s the truth. And I agree with you that it opens up OSU for players in FL, TX, CA, or anywhere really. If Meyer walks in and sits on your couch….you will listen, whether you’re in Ohio or wherever

by GMac14 on Dec 1, 2011 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

That.....

would be lovely in a Nirvana world, but I’m not sure if TB stays under that circumstance, although where in hell is he going to go if not remaining here?

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by DerryPharmer on Dec 1, 2011 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

That's why I feel so bad for TB

He’s waited his entire career to be a HC and then he gets 3 games….and what school will hire him? Because if you hire him, you hire all of the baggage of the PSU situation…or at least that’s what the media/public will think.

by GMac14 on Dec 1, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Heys guys, question

We did a story over on OTE when the Dan Mullen rumors hit the street. Personally, I think he would be a great pick, considering what he’s done at MSU in terms of results vs. competition. Add to the fact that he was the architect of the Florida offense under Urban Meyer, and I think he’d make Rob Bolden a serious dual threat QB.

Is Mullen looked upon favorably there, or are you guys wanting someone else?

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by Ted Glover on Dec 1, 2011 4:07 PM EST reply actions  

Oh, by the way

That caption under the pic is hysterical!

"Go hard. I mean, like relentless. I want a bunch of coaches that coach like their hair’s on fire, and I want a football team that goes for four to six seconds (per play) with relentless effort." OSU Coach Urban Meyer.

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by Ted Glover on Dec 1, 2011 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

IMO, no one is looked at as favorable universally

but Mullen definitely has some people interested/excited (I’m one of them)

As for Bolden…as of now, I’m not sure anyone could turn him into a serious dual threat QB at this point. PJ Jones, on the other hand, look out.

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by Cari Greene on Dec 1, 2011 7:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Meyers is given a little too much credit. I know he won 2 national championships. However, I don’t buy into the SEC hype as being this great conference. He played in the eastern part with choker Georgia and South Carolina and a down and out Tennessee . Florida I don’t think has played an out of conference game outside of Florida in over a decade. The great Alabama team he beat early in Saban’s tenure to get his second title got dismantled by Utah a month later. His two titles were won against known chokers Bob Stoops and Jim Tressel. And his really greatest achievement was getting Tim Tebow to accept a local scholarship to Florida. If you want an idea at Meyer’s future term at Ohio State, look no further to Steve Spurrier. He too was dominate in Florida but is mediocre at South Carolina. Florida is like USC. An above average coach makes those programs national title contenders due to those schools huge advantage in recruiting.

I know this sounds like sour grapes from a Penn State fan but everything is circumstances. The SEC and Big 12 are hyped way more than other conferences due to espn. Look no further for an example of Auburn this year who is barely above .500 and only just recently fell out of the top 25. That is a product of espn hype and lazy national journalistic group think. The USC team that killed Penn State in the rose bowl would have killed Florida in the national championship. I do agree this year that LSU is by far the best team, but many of the SECs championships were won against overrated Big 12 teams by espn ( a two team conference for the past decade in Texas and Oklahamo) or a choking Ohio State team. Jim Tressel won a lot of big ten games on talent alone $$$ and not great coaching. It helps that your biggest competition are coached by an old coach looking to get out (Carr) and an older coach unwilling to leave ( figure it out) and that those two schools don’t pay their players.

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