The Jerry Sandusky Preliminary Hearing Open Thread
by Chris Grovich on Dec 13, 2011 7:58 AM EST
in #PSUCharges
Email
Print
[UPDATE: Yeah, not so much. Sandusky waived his preliminary hearing once everybody got to the courthouse this morning. Please continue to use the comment thread for Having A Real Good Time.]
The prosecution of Jerry Sandusky enters its opening phase today with an 8:30 a.m. preliminary hearing at the Centre County Courthouse in Bellefonte, Pennsylvania. Among those expected to testify are most, if not all, of 10 alleged victims. Former Penn State assistant coach Mike McQueary may take the stand as well.
An explanation of the preliminary hearing process here, courtesy of ESPN's Lester Munson. The Honorable Robert E. Scott from Westmoreland County has assigned to this case by the Administrative Office of Pennsylvania Courts upon the request of the Centre County Court of Common Pleas. Originally, reporters were barred from sending updates from within the courtroom. However, yesterday, Centre County Senior Judge John Cleland issued a revised order yesterday allowing reporters to tweet and text during the proceedings.
We're using Cover It Live for the proceedings, with Twitter feeds from some of the reporters on the scene. We've only included a few, in an attempt to avoid a thousand tweets on the same bits of testimony. If you see anyone out there who is doing especially good work, let us know in the comments and we'll consider adding them to the liveblog.
This hearing is almost certain to get pretty graphic and emotional. It's going to be a fascinatingly dark day and week around here, as the hearing will be subject to a renewed thermonuclear onslaught by every major news organization in the country.
Try to use the comments sparingly. As you know from the game threads during football season, these things reach a critical point around the 800-ish comment mark and the whole thread begins to slow down. For example, you don't need to repeat bits of testimony, because they'll be in the Cover It Live window.
Basically, this is going to get crazy. Let's all do our best to keep things under control in the comments from an emotional standpoint, please.
(Please.)
Be sure to become a fan of BSD on Facebook, and follow us on Twitter!
796 comments
|
0 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
Do we know how many media outlets will be covering this
From Ben’s twitpic earlier, I swear the line for the cancelled Joe presser was longer than the one outside the courthouse.
I'm on the Internet cause I'm an Internet thug.
#OccupyESPN
Follow @134Lounge
---
I saw a girl crying tonight. When I asked why she said: "Because everybody lost."
Black Shoe Diaries
@runthedive
Welp..
Looks like I won’t be productive at work today.
I have a final at 9 am.
The timing is… poor.
I saw a girl crying tonight. When I asked why she said: "Because everybody lost."
Black Shoe Diaries
@runthedive
Please tell me it's CrimPro.
Cause that would be awesome.
___
Black Shoe Diaries
SBN - Pittsburgh
Success With Honor
by Jeff Junstrom on Dec 13, 2011 8:06 AM EST up reply actions
My only A+ in law school!
/never came close to practicing criminal law
by Chris Grovich on Dec 13, 2011 8:06 AM EST up reply actions
funny how that works...
same for me with Con. Law.
11/9/11 - the day the music died.
The bitter with the better.
by Esteban d' Amur on Dec 13, 2011 8:07 AM EST up reply actions
Nope, Immigration
Total clusterfuck.
I saw a girl crying tonight. When I asked why she said: "Because everybody lost."
Black Shoe Diaries
@runthedive
Maybe you can find..
a way to get Sandusky deported.
11/9/11 - the day the music died.
The bitter with the better.
by Esteban d' Amur on Dec 13, 2011 8:08 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I'll look into getting his citizenship revoked.
I saw a girl crying tonight. When I asked why she said: "Because everybody lost."
Black Shoe Diaries
@runthedive
He was born in Washington County, PA.
We certainly don’t want him.
___
Black Shoe Diaries
SBN - Pittsburgh
Success With Honor
by Jeff Junstrom on Dec 13, 2011 8:10 AM EST up reply actions
I'll count the Whiskey Rebellion as a functional attempt to secede.
Therefore a native of Washington County is not an American citizen.
"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
by SubLime on Dec 13, 2011 8:26 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
RAMBLER!
If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris
by carolinaeasy on Dec 13, 2011 8:27 AM EST up reply actions
I've evidently been on this board too long,
because that does sound a vaguely Rambleresque.
"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
I think he shows up everyday and searches for words like
General, Civil War, Succession, Rebellion, South Carolina, Tea is unamerican
God I just sent out a mega Rambler Sign
If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris
by carolinaeasy on Dec 13, 2011 8:33 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Losing a game is heartbreaking. Losing your sense of excellence or worth is a tragedy.
Joe Paterno
by skellerdweller on Dec 13, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions 10 recs
good luck on your final. Those are kind of a big deal.
by Curmudgeon79 on Dec 13, 2011 8:06 AM EST up reply actions
FYI, your Twitter feeds:
Ben Jones, Sara Ganim, StateCollege.com news desk, Nate Mink, and Anna Orso (from the Collegian). Shine on, kids.
We’ll see how this goes, and add/subtract as necessary throughout the day.
Maybe
just maybe, the focus will now be Jerry Sandusky. Again, I ask too much.
I, for one, plan to continue my life long contempt for the powers that be and I fully expect to be disappointed with whatever choice is made. ~PSUgirl
first question by the media afterwards
“Mr. Sandusky, how long and how much did Joe know about your child molesting?”
I'm on the Internet cause I'm an Internet thug.
#OccupyESPN
Follow @134Lounge
Second question
“Mr. Sandusky, is it true that Joe Paterno helped you cover up your child love?”
I, for one, plan to continue my life long contempt for the powers that be and I fully expect to be disappointed with whatever choice is made. ~PSUgirl
Third Question
Mr. Sandusky, would you like to have this Penn State hoodie?
Run.
by Bob Sacamano on Dec 13, 2011 8:31 AM EST up reply actions
A prayer...
…and it works whether one is religious or not…
Dear Lord,
Please let this week be the beginning of the punishment of the guilty and the exoneration of the innocent.
Amen.
#1 Flyers fan in England (originally from Southeastern PA)
by Orange and Black Forever on Dec 13, 2011 8:10 AM EST reply actions 21 recs
I get the feeling by lunch I'm going to need
a bottle of whiskey and a shower to feel better.
I'm on the Internet cause I'm an Internet thug.
#OccupyESPN
Follow @134Lounge
by skarocksoi on Dec 13, 2011 8:10 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Naw, Skip the brown and go straight to ether.
As Hunter S. Thompson would say:
There is nothing more helpless and irresponsible than a man in the depths of an ether binge.
If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris
by carolinaeasy on Dec 13, 2011 8:13 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Ah, Las Vegas.
(“We’re with the factory team”.)
What the hell just happened?
by Pete the Streak on Dec 13, 2011 9:02 AM EST up reply actions
My favorite part of the book is the conversation with the cop from Georgia
First it was drugs, now it is witchcraft
If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris
by carolinaeasy on Dec 13, 2011 9:08 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
We can't stop here, this is bat country!
Run.
by Bob Sacamano on Dec 13, 2011 9:09 AM EST up reply actions
Or there is this classic
Doberman’s don’t talk
If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris
by carolinaeasy on Dec 13, 2011 9:24 AM EST up reply actions
What about
a shower of whiskey?
I, for one, plan to continue my life long contempt for the powers that be and I fully expect to be disappointed with whatever choice is made. ~PSUgirl
Apparently WiFi coverage is spotty.
So updates might be more sparse. Luckily, with every media outlet ever in attendance, you’ll be covered.
___
Black Shoe Diaries
SBN - Pittsburgh
Success With Honor
you know how I know the media sucks
they cant even spring for the 4G coverage.
I'm on the Internet cause I'm an Internet thug.
#OccupyESPN
Follow @134Lounge
Worst. Thread. Ever.
"I've seen over 200 episodes of Law & Order and it's paying off big time!"
by letsgopsu on Dec 13, 2011 8:18 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
WORST. RESCUE. EVER!
Author at Acme Packing Company, a Green Bay Packers blog, and Editor at BT Powerhouse, a Big Ten Basketball blog
Whatever holds the image of an angel IS an angel. The eyes are not the windows of the soul, they are the doors.
Yes, I am on twitter.
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Dec 13, 2011 9:20 AM EST up reply actions
I'll lay down some odds
30/1 Sandusky stops everyone mid trial and says “Nah guys, I’m just playin. I’m guilty as SHIT!” and turns himself over.
250/1 This is just the worst episode of Punk’d, ever.
15/1 Joe repels through a window, picks up the nearest chair, bashes it over Sandusky’s head, then looks over his unconsious body on the floor and says “Dick.”
I'm on the Internet cause I'm an Internet thug.
#OccupyESPN
Follow @134Lounge
by skarocksoi on Dec 13, 2011 8:22 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
"Nah guys, I’m justplayinhorsin’ around. I’m guilty as SHIT!"
"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
by SubLime on Dec 13, 2011 8:29 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Dammit
I almost spit out Lucky Charms and milk onto my laptop. Well played.
Btw, shop teachers all across America are furious that the phrase “horsing around” has been permanently ruined.
The depth of both my sadness and anger is unfathomable.
We (Still) Are...
Is it just me or is Anna Orso hot?
If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris
Or so.
___
Black Shoe Diaries
SBN - Pittsburgh
Success With Honor
by Jeff Junstrom on Dec 13, 2011 8:25 AM EST up reply actions
Well you could imagine what it would be like if she was
If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris
by carolinaeasy on Dec 13, 2011 8:26 AM EST up reply actions
She probably has to deal with the same stuff Veronica Corningstone had to.
"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84
Brick, are you saying that there's a party in your pants and that I'm invited?
I, for one, plan to continue my life long contempt for the powers that be and I fully expect to be disappointed with whatever choice is made. ~PSUgirl
Those little twitter pics
add about 10 degrees of hotness. However, the latest twitter app update allows for point and zoom on the pics so it might be time for a lot of folks to tweak their twitpics.
He completed 17 of individuals 26 passes for 192 lanscaping your yard and two touchdowns - Chan Luu
Tweaking twitpics sounds hot.
I’ll tell you why. Because we’re talking about Joe Freaking Paterno here.
-Jitterbug
by leeharvey418 on Dec 13, 2011 9:08 AM EST up reply actions
I like the new
hot asian bird flinging lady leeharvey.
He completed 17 of individuals 26 passes for 192 lanscaping your yard and two touchdowns - Chan Luu
by rahpsu92 on Dec 13, 2011 9:17 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well at this point
I’m sure this will go to trial, but I’m expecting Sandusky to get off on most of the charges. Maybe the hearing will change that.
- BSD Bunnymaster (Thanks Paige)
- The only Adam on this blog who doesn't actually write for it.
Which of the 40 counts do you think will be dropped?
Do you know something I don’t?
___
Black Shoe Diaries
SBN - Pittsburgh
Success With Honor
by Jeff Junstrom on Dec 13, 2011 8:30 AM EST up reply actions
Unless McQueary gets his crap together
they’re going to have an awfully hard time proving anything else happened. And if Sandusky’s claim was correct in the Costas interview, that the Lasch victim would be willing to testify on his behalf, i can’t imagine most of the charges stick.
That’s all assuming they can find an untainted jury pool which seems even less likely.
- BSD Bunnymaster (Thanks Paige)
- The only Adam on this blog who doesn't actually write for it.
The testimony of 8 victims, if true, will change all that rather quickly.
Leaders Co-Champions
by PSUinBOSSton on Dec 13, 2011 8:33 AM EST up reply actions
I'm fairly certain each charge has to be proven individually
is that incorrect?
- BSD Bunnymaster (Thanks Paige)
- The only Adam on this blog who doesn't actually write for it.
I believe you are correct in theory
but in reality, if they are trying all charges together, the jury will all hear the stories of the 8 victims, individually there may be doubt however when taken as a whole i dont see him getting off
Reporter: Can you give us a touchdown celebration, one that you would get penalized for?
Moye: I play at Penn State. I don’t celebrate.
I also don't think there will be a jury
I think this will end up as a bench trial and a judge, who is bound by the law, won’t be able to convict based on hearsay.
The NBC interview and ESPN assured that almost everyone has forced an opinion on even the most casual bystander.
- BSD Bunnymaster (Thanks Paige)
- The only Adam on this blog who doesn't actually write for it.
Which is grounds for a mistrial, IMO
(I watch Law & Order; this is the extent of my law knowledge)
Fire Dan Snyder
There will be a jury
if it goes to trial. Hearsay is a nonstarter – the judge will make evidentiary rulings and any and all hearsay will be suppressed prior to trial anyway. If anyone even starts asking a question that calls for hearsay or starts to answer something based on hearsay, it will be immediately objected to. There’s almost no way this wouldn’t go to a jury…that said, the jury selection phase might take like 3 weeks.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
Correct, you don't think 8 of 10 victims testifying won't
lead to convictions in the majority of counts?
Leaders Co-Champions
by PSUinBOSSton on Dec 13, 2011 8:41 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
DNA evidence couldn't..
convict OJ. Do I think Sandusky will walk on this? No. Would I be all that surprised if he beat the charges? No.
11/9/11 - the day the music died.
The bitter with the better.
by Esteban d' Amur on Dec 13, 2011 8:43 AM EST up reply actions
I think he is guilty
but I don’t think he’ll be found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
- BSD Bunnymaster (Thanks Paige)
- The only Adam on this blog who doesn't actually write for it.
Well..
that was interesting.
11/9/11 - the day the music died.
The bitter with the better.
by Esteban d' Amur on Dec 13, 2011 8:30 AM EST reply actions
I feel like I got all dressed up with no where to go.
If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris
Makes sense
You know it is going to trial, keep the testimony from the potential jurors ears.
If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris
by carolinaeasy on Dec 13, 2011 8:32 AM EST up reply actions
Crap. I was looking forward to not doing any work this morning!
"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84
AMENTROLLA'D.
Well, this has been fun y’all.
by Chris Grovich on Dec 13, 2011 8:31 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
+1
For witty play on names
If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris
by carolinaeasy on Dec 13, 2011 8:32 AM EST up reply actions
Good talk everyone.
Resume lives.
Leaders Co-Champions
DAMNIT
Now I have no excuse no to get some work done.
Sandusky and Amendola are just trolling folks.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but all charges are now bound over, right?
Actually, not a dumb move. No testimony comes out.
___
Black Shoe Diaries
SBN - Pittsburgh
Success With Honor
I saw a girl crying tonight. When I asked why she said: "Because everybody lost."
Black Shoe Diaries
@runthedive
by Peter Gray on Dec 13, 2011 8:35 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
Subject Lines...please?
I’m already having a tough time with this thread.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
by jesse. on Dec 13, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Probably the best thing for all parties, as much as I want to see him squirm for months.
It keeps this mess out of the front page for the foreseeable future, and probably allows him to plea to some sort of confinement where he won’t be…punished…in prison.
___
Black Shoe Diaries
SBN - Pittsburgh
Success With Honor
by Jeff Junstrom on Dec 13, 2011 8:38 AM EST up reply actions
If that's the case, hopefully someone puts glass in his food.
Run.
by Bob Sacamano on Dec 13, 2011 8:39 AM EST up reply actions
Oz'd
___
Black Shoe Diaries
SBN - Pittsburgh
Success With Honor
by Jeff Junstrom on Dec 13, 2011 8:40 AM EST up reply actions
So how can the media turn this into Joe's fault?
I, for one, plan to continue my life long contempt for the powers that be and I fully expect to be disappointed with whatever choice is made. ~PSUgirl
Joe should have known JS was going to waive the preliminary hearing.
Run.
by Bob Sacamano on Dec 13, 2011 8:41 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
He failed in his moral obligation to get the kids on the stand today.
I’ll tell you why. Because we’re talking about Joe Freaking Paterno here.
-Jitterbug
by leeharvey418 on Dec 13, 2011 8:41 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
He should have told the media not to come. He wasted their time.
I, for one, plan to continue my life long contempt for the powers that be and I fully expect to be disappointed with whatever choice is made. ~PSUgirl
by jman07 on Dec 13, 2011 8:42 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I wish that were true, but I do some work with a group that transitions
the incarcerated upon release. Recent inmates were telling me that the “punishment” of predators is not how it works in prison anymore (and supposedly for a long time). Apparently, in an effort to reduce violence in jails, almost every facility now isolates the Sanduskys from the rest of the population in their own sections. Making things worse, they supposedly mostly like it there because they . . . (major shudder) . . . share stories.
Leaders Co-Champions
by PSUinBOSSton on Dec 13, 2011 8:45 AM EST up reply actions
Thanks
Now I have to go bleach my eyes.
"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13
by kijana's acl on Dec 13, 2011 8:58 AM EST up reply actions
I really wish I didnt read that last sentence.
That post should have came with a warning.
"I’m not a lawyer, but I read a lot of BSD" - psuphysicist
Yes
They house them in with the rest of the mental health inmates. The majority of those inmates being heavily medicated. He’ll get comfortable with his new environment rather quickly due to the minimal threats of violence he’ll face besides the occasional outburst from an inmate whose “brain chemicals got out of balance” because they we’re hiding their pills under their tongue and trading them with the other inmates in their housing block/unit. He’ll probably end up at Warren State Hospital in western, Pa. and have lots of inmate friends willing to show him how they be “shufflin”. Thorazine shufflin that is! All this of course after a complimentary 90-day stay in isolation at Camp Hill State Prison to help you get aquainted(processed) with your new home(the system).
by penntatefan on Dec 14, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
I was at WSH for work a day or two after the presentment was released.
99% sure that the building used by the prison system has been vacated. Everyone was consolidated to another campus. Perhaps Mt. Laurel or Torrance. I’ve been in the cells and common areas and they are far from luxurious.
I’m not too concerned with the exact address since I’m not sending cards and care packages.
I always thought that this.....
would be the case for JS and his minions….Does this mean that the BoT will fire Joe for the 3rd time? Will they cancel the Nebraska game? and most importantly, can we finally find the demented janitor or was he killed with Gricar? Tune in…..
"The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me God."
by DerryPharmer on Dec 13, 2011 8:55 AM EST up reply actions
General Rule:
You know you’re evil if you have minions.
"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
Patches O'Houlihan
I, for one, plan to continue my life long contempt for the powers that be and I fully expect to be disappointed with whatever choice is made. ~PSUgirl
by jman07 on Dec 13, 2011 8:37 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
You're preaching to the choir here
Kotite has NFL experience. RECRUITS LOVE THAT!
Let’s see Urban “No NFL” Meyer compete with that!
by Tailgate Shogun on Dec 13, 2011 8:53 AM EST up reply actions
Dick Vermiel
If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris
by carolinaeasy on Dec 13, 2011 8:37 AM EST up reply actions
Ed DeChellis.
- BSD Bunnymaster (Thanks Paige)
- The only Adam on this blog who doesn't actually write for it.
IT'S A TRAP!
Author at Acme Packing Company, a Green Bay Packers blog, and Editor at BT Powerhouse, a Big Ten Basketball blog
Whatever holds the image of an angel IS an angel. The eyes are not the windows of the soul, they are the doors.
Yes, I am on twitter.
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Dec 13, 2011 9:21 AM EST up reply actions
We could run reverses in the backfield until someone just flings the ball downfield
footballs version of wrap around the perimeter.
His legacy is US. The legacy of the young men who he took from a variety of backgrounds, races, religions, economic circumstances and set on a right path, and that's the legacy. WE ARE... the legacy, not his 409 wins and certainly not this incident." -Jimmy Cefalo
According to Phil Grosz (tifwiw)
PSU’s got their man and they’re just hammering out details.
"Every time you go to that cook-off you get drunk as a poet on payday!"
Coach Klein?
I, for one, plan to continue my life long contempt for the powers that be and I fully expect to be disappointed with whatever choice is made. ~PSUgirl
Does that mean it's about to be sunny in State College?
(Sorry, that’s the best pun I could come up with.)
___
Black Shoe Diaries
SBN - Pittsburgh
Success With Honor
by Jeff Junstrom on Dec 13, 2011 8:38 AM EST up reply actions
That's impossibru.
"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84
Joe Walton
If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris
by carolinaeasy on Dec 13, 2011 8:38 AM EST up reply actions
We got a Saban!
Unfortunately, it’s the corpse of Lou.
I saw a girl crying tonight. When I asked why she said: "Because everybody lost."
Black Shoe Diaries
@runthedive
So is there any information or thoughts on who PSU's coach is going to be?
Wasn’t sure if the coaching profiles had stopped or anything (I know the Sandusky situation has taken over today). I think it would be cool if all the mod’s put together a post with their top candidate and who they actually thought would be hired.
Bill Stewart!
Author at Acme Packing Company, a Green Bay Packers blog, and Editor at BT Powerhouse, a Big Ten Basketball blog
Whatever holds the image of an angel IS an angel. The eyes are not the windows of the soul, they are the doors.
Yes, I am on twitter.
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Dec 13, 2011 9:21 AM EST up reply actions
For your viewing pleasure I present this guy
If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris
by carolinaeasy on Dec 13, 2011 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
/title clicked with ESS EEE SEE speed
"Every time you go to that cook-off you get drunk as a poet on payday!"
I actually could live with that.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
I could live with the screaming of Michigan fans, too.
Author at Acme Packing Company, a Green Bay Packers blog, and Editor at BT Powerhouse, a Big Ten Basketball blog
Whatever holds the image of an angel IS an angel. The eyes are not the windows of the soul, they are the doors.
Yes, I am on twitter.
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Dec 13, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
Uhhh, BSD-Wentworth employees
Would you mind telling this PSU journalism grad, yeah that’s right, what the next step here is?
Run.
All charges are bound over for trial.
This hearing was for the prosecution to show the judge that they had what’s called a prima facie case (essentially, it appears they have a case). Waiving that means JS didn’t want to challenge anything. I’m betting plea, or the fact that JS didn’t want more shit flying around.
___
Black Shoe Diaries
SBN - Pittsburgh
Success With Honor
by Jeff Junstrom on Dec 13, 2011 8:39 AM EST up reply actions
That is what a Widener proff said in Minknate's tweet
If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris
by carolinaeasy on Dec 13, 2011 8:41 AM EST up reply actions
Wooo! Widener represent!
I, for one, plan to continue my life long contempt for the powers that be and I fully expect to be disappointed with whatever choice is made. ~PSUgirl
Good morning to everyone back in the States.
First of all I respect Penn State. The Alabama-Penn State rivalry is my favorite non-conference rivalry.
Second, I’ve always admired JoePa. I had hoped he would go out gracefully.
I hope justice prevails. I hope your program can get back on its feet.
I don’t know what to make of MM’s statements. Aurabass is doing a great job of informing us.
Anyway, Good Luck!
"The same things win today that have always won, and they will win years from now. The only difference is the losers have a whole new bunch of excuses why they don’t win or can’t win."-Bear Bryant
Robot Chicken Star Wars should be canon.
by the thin red line on Dec 13, 2011 8:43 AM EST reply actions 10 recs
In other news,
the Juniata coach is going to be fired, right?
- BSD Bunnymaster (Thanks Paige)
- The only Adam on this blog who doesn't actually write for it.
Does the Mill Hall principal still have his job?
I’ll tell you why. Because we’re talking about Joe Freaking Paterno here.
-Jitterbug
by leeharvey418 on Dec 13, 2011 8:45 AM EST up reply actions
The one from Central Mountain?
I think so.
If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris
by carolinaeasy on Dec 13, 2011 8:46 AM EST up reply actions
Nice.
Could be wrong… I thought it was Mill Hall.
I’ll tell you why. Because we’re talking about Joe Freaking Paterno here.
-Jitterbug
by leeharvey418 on Dec 13, 2011 8:48 AM EST up reply actions
The school is called Central Mountain, it is located in Mill Hall
I worked there when Sandusky first started
If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris
by carolinaeasy on Dec 13, 2011 8:51 AM EST up reply actions
It's where the Alton twins wrestled!
What the hell just happened?
by Pete the Streak on Dec 13, 2011 9:22 AM EST up reply actions
Did he fail a background check and then coach anyway?
- BSD Bunnymaster (Thanks Paige)
- The only Adam on this blog who doesn't actually write for it.
Huh?
I was talking about the guy who tried to talk Victim #1’s mother out of pressing charges.
I’ll tell you why. Because we’re talking about Joe Freaking Paterno here.
-Jitterbug
by leeharvey418 on Dec 13, 2011 8:50 AM EST up reply actions
That guy is the head football coach at Central Mountain
If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris
by carolinaeasy on Dec 13, 2011 8:51 AM EST up reply actions
And assistant Principal
If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris
by carolinaeasy on Dec 13, 2011 8:51 AM EST up reply actions
Turchetta I think
If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris
by carolinaeasy on Dec 13, 2011 8:52 AM EST up reply actions
In the interview she did for Anderson Cooper...
she said it was the principal who tried to talk her out of it.
I’ll tell you why. Because we’re talking about Joe Freaking Paterno here.
-Jitterbug
by leeharvey418 on Dec 13, 2011 8:52 AM EST up reply actions
That is a female then
The building principal is a woman…Probsts I think
And Turchetta is the football coach/Assistant Principal =
If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris
by carolinaeasy on Dec 13, 2011 8:54 AM EST up reply actions
Well, you'd know better than I would.
…better than the entire fact-checking staff of Headline News, it would seem.
I’ll tell you why. Because we’re talking about Joe Freaking Paterno here.
-Jitterbug
by leeharvey418 on Dec 13, 2011 8:55 AM EST up reply actions
and she is the one that tried to talk to her, along with Turchetta
His legacy is US. The legacy of the young men who he took from a variety of backgrounds, races, religions, economic circumstances and set on a right path, and that's the legacy. WE ARE... the legacy, not his 409 wins and certainly not this incident." -Jimmy Cefalo
Pitbull, do you swear to have a good time
a real good time, and nothing but a real good time?
Mr. Foreman, how does the jury find?
A REAL GOOD TIME.
by Tailgate Shogun on Dec 13, 2011 8:52 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
Hey TS -
I’ll tell you why. Because we’re talking about Joe Freaking Paterno here.
-Jitterbug
by leeharvey418 on Dec 13, 2011 8:54 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Is he making that face because he's belching after chugging a Dr. Pepper?
I’ll tell you why. Because we’re talking about Joe Freaking Paterno here.
-Jitterbug
by leeharvey418 on Dec 13, 2011 8:56 AM EST up reply actions
I dreamed
he was making that face because one of the dancers stuck a shiv between his shoulder blades.
by Tailgate Shogun on Dec 13, 2011 8:57 AM EST up reply actions 8 recs
/Oz'd again
I’ll tell you why. Because we’re talking about Joe Freaking Paterno here.
-Jitterbug
by leeharvey418 on Dec 13, 2011 8:57 AM EST up reply actions
That's quite the haircut you have lee
I, for one, plan to continue my life long contempt for the powers that be and I fully expect to be disappointed with whatever choice is made. ~PSUgirl
It looks like I've also become an Asian woman...
I’ll tell you why. Because we’re talking about Joe Freaking Paterno here.
-Jitterbug
by leeharvey418 on Dec 13, 2011 9:09 AM EST up reply actions
Dr. Pepper and SoCo.
got me through many a long eve in SC…
"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84
I hang to the left these days, used to be to the right but people grow you know?
If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris
by carolinaeasy on Dec 13, 2011 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
Uh...
How about option c: the girl who has enough self-respect to not be caught dead at a party under a highway overpass?
I’ll tell you why. Because we’re talking about Joe Freaking Paterno here.
-Jitterbug
by leeharvey418 on Dec 13, 2011 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
Looks like a pimpin overpass however.
I’ll go left.
Are we all.....
forgetting that JS and his Boyzees are playing everybody like concert pianists? Sheeeeeeeiiiiit! He might be named PSU President if he plays his cards right. He has the right wardrobe.
"The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me God."
by DerryPharmer on Dec 13, 2011 9:00 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
President Lackey has that position locked down.
"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
Oooops, my bad!
"The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me God."
by DerryPharmer on Dec 13, 2011 9:03 AM EST up reply actions
Next Question
What will Curley and Schultz do on Friday?
I’d have to imagine they were really hoping to hear McQueary testify today to see how good or bad of a witness he is going to be, since he essentially the State’s entire case against them. I’d say it’s a pick’em what they do but since you can’t challenge credibility at a prelim I’d lean towards them waiving.
I am a Penn State Nittany Lion, and I played for the legendary Joe Paterno, and more importantly, I am a man because of it. - Lavar Arrington
Be prepared
Those who insist we have to know “all the facts” to have done anything about anybody other than Sandusky himself had better prepare themselves for the increasingly likely outcome that we won’t know any more facts than we know right now.
I’m betting this goes plea bargain and we never learn anything more. Today’s theatrics were likely a last-ditch attempt to intimidate some witnesses from testifying, which obviously didn’t work.
Schultz and Curley aren't going to plea bargin.
Either their charges will be dropped, which points even more to the fact that things were not as the media portrayed them, or we’ll get those testimonies in court.
"This is being a Penn State fan. We’ll prove it, or we won’t. It’s not about proving it to them, it’s about proving to ourselves."
by mvrck on Dec 13, 2011 9:12 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Good point about their trial
but would Victim Two be part of their trial too, or just McQueary?
I also expect them to settle, BTW.
If they claim they contacted him, probably.
"This is being a Penn State fan. We’ll prove it, or we won’t. It’s not about proving it to them, it’s about proving to ourselves."
Thanks for Debbie Downer
If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris
by carolinaeasy on Dec 13, 2011 9:25 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Is this the part where we go "oh well, guess you were right, we'll never know"?
Cause that ain’t happening.
Joe, the reason we shout "WE ARE" and the reason the answer will always be "PENN STATE"
by Rogue Nine on Dec 13, 2011 9:26 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
So
can we talk about Schultz being (or not being) the cops again?
I, for one, plan to continue my life long contempt for the powers that be and I fully expect to be disappointed with whatever choice is made. ~PSUgirl
by jman07 on Dec 13, 2011 9:39 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Schultz is a "double-naught spy."
"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
Yep
People who don’t want to jump to conclusions based on part of the story are dicks. But you keep plugging away, doing God’s work.
"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13
by kijana's acl on Dec 13, 2011 10:01 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Why is it that your Avatar is a depiction of what I feel when I read your endless drum beating
Go find an anthill in South America, put a tube of honey up your ass and sit. PLEASE
If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris
by carolinaeasy on Dec 13, 2011 10:09 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
That is what I say too.
I can’t take this shit.
If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris
by carolinaeasy on Dec 13, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
Do us all a favor and don't respond to it.
Nothing he said in this thread required that sort of response.
by Chris Grovich on Dec 13, 2011 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
Thanks
I appreciate the preaching, message taken.
If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris
by carolinaeasy on Dec 13, 2011 10:23 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
To be clear
Nothing I have ever said here, ever, justifies that sort of response, nor would it be appropriate for me to respond in kind, except to those who made that kind of response in the first place. And I won’t even do that.
You should think about what it says about you that you think it appropriate.
All I'm asking is for people to be decent to each other here.
That’s it. I’ve written this a hundred times already.
by Chris Grovich on Dec 13, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It was meant as a form of sarcastic joking
Regardless of the moral indignation that some people take when an off color suggestion is made I feel quite comfortable with myself.
Chris sorry to create a problem for you. M1EK it was a joke, although South American ants can be lovely this time of year.
If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris
by carolinaeasy on Dec 13, 2011 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
Wow, you are now John Stewart...
hate mongering is so much more civil when its called satire and sarcasm.
He completed 17 of individuals 26 passes for 192 lanscaping your yard and two touchdowns - Chan Luu
thank you
If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris
by carolinaeasy on Dec 13, 2011 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
If Jon Stewart is a hate mongerer
what does that make Fox News?
Formerly known as kmart93
Black Shoe Diaries
by Kyle_Martin on Dec 13, 2011 4:39 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
A stupidity mongerer
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
by jesse. on Dec 13, 2011 4:39 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
if there is a plea
can’t everybody just come out and tell their own story? Joe could tell what he did/didn’t do, McQ could clarify, etc.
"I've seen over 200 episodes of Law & Order and it's paying off big time!"
so unless he is under oath, Joe will be lying
good to know
"I've seen over 200 episodes of Law & Order and it's paying off big time!"
by letsgopsu on Dec 13, 2011 10:06 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Well, people will assume he is
Hell, they’ll assume it even if he is under oath. Never let facts get in the way of preconceived notions.
Don't do it letsgo. Not worth your time
I, for one, plan to continue my life long contempt for the powers that be and I fully expect to be disappointed with whatever choice is made. ~PSUgirl
by jman07 on Dec 13, 2011 10:15 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No
But he can not tell the “whole truth”. And others’ testimony will likely be taken as incomplete or non-credible by those who don’t want to believe that Joe might not have done everything we all think he should have done.
It will be inconclusive – really – less even than what we have in the GJ presentment, because that was, at least, a summary (complete or not) of statements taken under oath.
So,
let’s just assume everyone is lying unless they are under oath?
Your argument is they are willing to cover up for a child molester, but put them under oath and suddenly they are going to admit everything. Brilliant as usual.
No.
Read it again, please. He can not tell the “whole truth”. IE, leave things out; paint the best possible picture of himself. He will not be cross-examined. He can leave things vague. He can refuse to answer certain questions.
So let's give people a chance to answer tough questions...
or refuse to answer them before we condemn them as purely self-serving, okay?
I’ll tell you why. Because we’re talking about Joe Freaking Paterno here.
-Jitterbug
by leeharvey418 on Dec 13, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
+1 for a lack of Mob Justice
If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris
by carolinaeasy on Dec 13, 2011 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
Sure.
But don’t be foolish about what we should have done regarding Joe’s employment as head coach in the meantime. I do not believe Joe will ever take the podium and answer these questions thoroughly in front of a tough audience.
I just threw up after seeing you use the word "we" in your post.
by Btd121 on Dec 13, 2011 10:50 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Don't he has a mouse in his pocket
If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris
by carolinaeasy on Dec 13, 2011 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
Perhaps not now with his health and his age.
But why is it foolish to think he would and that he wants to? He tried to have a press conference in which he put out his own press release saying he would answer any and all questions. The school shut him down (legally, a wise move, but frustrating for those wanting the truth). The way this played out suggests it is not foolish at all to believe he would and wants to answer them in front of a hostile audience.
Leaders Co-Champions
by PSUinBOSSton on Dec 13, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
I like to think that Joe has let Mr. Posnanski know all
and that we will see it in writing. I feel terrible for Posnanski because what should have been an idyllic time in Happy Valley turned into a pile of crap, but this book should be something else.
"I've seen over 200 episodes of Law & Order and it's paying off big time!"
"what should have been an idyllic time in Happy Valley turned into a pile of crap"
Back when I was a freshman, and smitten still with my high school sweetheart, and after we had gone our separate ways, she visited me at PSU.
This was the theme then.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
This baffles me
it’s not the prosecutors job to let or make Joe Paterno tell “the whole truth” – testimony, especially that of a corroborating witness, is tailored, prepared and expected. If it’s not material to the case – neither side is really going to care about “Joe’s Story.”
The most likely place where “the whole truth” will/could come out is in civil depositions.
by PSUgirl on Dec 13, 2011 10:58 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Literally? 'The whole truth'
Functionally? ‘Truthful answers to the questions posed’.
I’ll tell you why. Because we’re talking about Joe Freaking Paterno here.
-Jitterbug
by leeharvey418 on Dec 13, 2011 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
And the questions posed
can be questions they do not want to answer.
This is very different from offering to hold a press conference where you can just glower and say “next question”.
Objection
- Beyond the Scope
- Argumentative
- Hearsay
- Assuming facts not in evidence
- Immaterial
- Asked and answered
- Lack of personal knowledge
- Confusion of issues
- Opinion on ultimate issue
- Speculation
There are a lot of things that can get in the way of “the whole truth.”
This is true
but you are almost guaranteed to get a lot closer when sworn under oath and subject to cross-examination than at a press conference where you have shown in the past you don’t care to answer a lot of questions you don’t like.
Are you talking about Amadola or Paterno?
[ducks]
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
during cross-examination
if the witness says more than “yes” or “no” – then the attorney hasn’t done his/her job. Rarely do you get a complete picture from formulated cross-examination questioning. Also, cross examination is (see beyond the scope) limited to the subjects/evidence presented during direct.
aaaah, I tried
So you are suggesting that Joe’s surley attitude at freaking football press conferences is why you will never hear him tell the truth about what he did. How you can equate the two only works in your realm of thought. I have seen him speak very honestly on other subjects, even football, away from the stupid questions he gets at week pressors. Your disgust for Joe shows through. You are not subjective when the topic is Joe.
I just read.
The ones who are subjective
are the ones who have ignored the evidence in the past – that being: when Joe is presented with questions he doesn’t want to answer, he does not answer them – and makes it very clear what he thinks of the gall of the person asking the question.
In court, you don’t get to do that.
That's assuming he will react the exact same way to every situation,
which is incorrect. I get where you’re trying to come from though.
"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84
Who's to say
that he doesn’t want to answer questions regarding this whole ordeal?
Let me guess, because he hasn’t said anything, it’s infallible proof that he doesn’t.
I, for one, plan to continue my life long contempt for the powers that be and I fully expect to be disappointed with whatever choice is made. ~PSUgirl
It's kind of presumtuous
to assume that Joe Paterno treats everyone like they are a beat writer. If he did I would find it very difficult to find even one person to admit they liked the guy.
He completed 17 of individuals 26 passes for 192 lanscaping your yard and two touchdowns - Chan Luu
There's a huge difference between
an attorney asking you what you recall about certain events 9 years ago and Cory Giger asking you when you’re going to retire for the 120th time.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
by OctaShields on Dec 13, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
It involves
roughly 50 IQ points.
The depth of both my sadness and anger is unfathomable.
We (Still) Are...
by PSU_Buch on Dec 13, 2011 1:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And the attorney's IQ is only 110.
I’ll tell you why. Because we’re talking about Joe Freaking Paterno here.
-Jitterbug
by leeharvey418 on Dec 13, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
There's not much difference
between one hostile questioner and another.
The difference is that most others that interview Joe pitch him softballs. The attorney is going to come off a lot more like Giger than Joe Pos, for instance.
I completely disagree with this
The difference is that most others that interview Joe pitch him softballs. The attorney is going to come off a lot more like Giger than Joe Pos, for instance.
In fact, when Joe doesn’t have an idiot asking questions, he is quite engaging and honest. His contempt for the media came about because someone couldn’t keep their mouth shut when Joe wanted to say something off the record yrs ago. Then it grew as more idiots entered the media world. I think Joe would take very seriously a lawyer or an intelligent journalist asking appropriate questions about the situation. Again, I feel you are too biased in your feelings for Joe to argue this issue. Everything you state about Joe in this context has been negative. I would bet he was one of the best, most prepared and most efficient people that appeared before the GJ.
I just read.
by BMAN13 on Dec 13, 2011 2:23 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Your definition
of an “idiot” is “one who asks questions that make Joe mad”.
Just as supported as your claims that I am too biased in my feelings for Joe.
I don't Twitter or know
all the cool shorthand, so am looking for an honest answer: Is “mdahmus” shorthand for “I’m a dumb-ass.”?
Inquiring minds want to know.
"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.
"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."
by PSU_Lions_84 on Dec 13, 2011 2:50 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Technically
I think he was making an analogy. Also, he using a past pattern of known conduct to predict future conduct. It’s like saying Penn State will probably run the cover 2 alot against Houston. Obviously that is an assumption, but it’s not a baseless one.
Jesus.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
I stayed out of it this time!
If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris
by carolinaeasy on Dec 13, 2011 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
you're still an asshole
I, for one, plan to continue my life long contempt for the powers that be and I fully expect to be disappointed with whatever choice is made. ~PSUgirl
by jman07 on Dec 13, 2011 3:12 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Eh... I'd say more wiseass than asshole.
I’ll tell you why. Because we’re talking about Joe Freaking Paterno here.
-Jitterbug
by leeharvey418 on Dec 13, 2011 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
No, I'm an asshole
If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris
by carolinaeasy on Dec 13, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
De-Oh
De-Oh De-Oh
I’ll tell you why. Because we’re talking about Joe Freaking Paterno here.
-Jitterbug
by leeharvey418 on Dec 13, 2011 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
I like it
when the sarcasm font is not needed.
I, for one, plan to continue my life long contempt for the powers that be and I fully expect to be disappointed with whatever choice is made. ~PSUgirl
Some folks still need it
If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris
by carolinaeasy on Dec 13, 2011 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
thank you
If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris
by carolinaeasy on Dec 13, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
I think Joe's definition of 'idiot'
is ‘one who asks a question to which they’ve already heard the answer 50+ times’.
That squares pretty well with my personal definition.
I’ll tell you why. Because we’re talking about Joe Freaking Paterno here.
-Jitterbug
by leeharvey418 on Dec 13, 2011 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
Cross-examination
often involves asking the same question multiple times, especially when the witness refuses to answer or is vague or evasive.
At least that’s what TV tells me.
I think that Joe wants you to believe that’s his definition of ‘idiot’ too. I haven’t seen him accept a tough question with anything but hostility in return for years, though, so it mystifies me that you think his definition is anything more than self-serving in this case.
And you didn't read PSUgirl's post
about cross-examination. She is exactly right. He would only be answering yes or no.
That's funny.
I’m actually laughing at that. That’s certainly the way the questions will be phrased. But something tells me that Joe Paterno will be a tougher witness than that.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
If I may...
Joe has never struck me as the type of person who sees the world in black and white. What might be intended as a yes-or-no question might get a pretty philosophical answer.
I’ll tell you why. Because we’re talking about Joe Freaking Paterno here.
-Jitterbug
by leeharvey418 on Dec 13, 2011 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
No he sees the world with blue lines
If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris
by carolinaeasy on Dec 13, 2011 3:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Seriously
Joe will answer more than one question about the scrappy kid from Northern Illinois that played for that tough Syracuse team in ’78.
I, for one, plan to continue my life long contempt for the powers that be and I fully expect to be disappointed with whatever choice is made. ~PSUgirl
"I think (insert name of philospher here) said it best when..."
"I've seen over 200 episodes of Law & Order and it's paying off big time!"
That you think Joe Paterno...
…or any other witness would simply answer yes or no to all of these questions. I’m fully aware that’s what the textbook tells you to try and do, but in the actual courtroom, things get quite a bit more complex.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
Thanks. Been there.
The point is M1EK thinks the only way we get any more credible facts is through a trial for Sandusky. My point is that I’m pretty sure Joe will not be the focus of that trial and therefore very little about what he knew/did/followed-up on will come out through that channel. And even less because of how questioning in a trial takes place.
Thanks for the lesson in litigation however. Would you like to sit second chair at my next trial?
He thinks that way because it promotes his narrative about Joe
That he was an egotistical criminal who used his position as Head Coach to brainwash into believing in imaginary force-fields that protect the jurisdiction of University Park against outside investigations, all the while refusing to cooperate with the saintly media led by the honorable Cory Giger.
If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris
by carolinaeasy on Dec 13, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
OMG!
CE has been taken over by the Pod People!
I’ll tell you why. Because we’re talking about Joe Freaking Paterno here.
-Jitterbug
by leeharvey418 on Dec 13, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
I typically cross examine crazy ex-Wifes.
Trust me, they will have their say. I typically let them rave on so the world will know them mad.
My point is that I’m pretty sure Joe will not be the focus of that trial and therefore very little about what he knew/did/followed-up on will come out through that channel. And even less because of how questioning in a trial takes place.
This is a good point. I bet M1EK even agrees with it. I certainly do, but that’s not exactly what you said.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
Block quote fail
My point is that I’m pretty sure Joe will not be the focus of that trial and therefore very little about what he knew/did/followed-up on will come out through that channel. And even less because of how questioning in a trial takes place.
And this is a fantastic point. If it took us some snarkiness to get there it was worth it.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
please tell me you have cross examined some crazy ex husbands too
"I've seen over 200 episodes of Law & Order and it's paying off big time!"
Yes.
I went into Divorce Law for two reasons.
1] I always have good party stories.
2] People tell me the craziest shit.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
What is the absolute craziest story that you can divulge?
If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris
by carolinaeasy on Dec 13, 2011 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
The most recent one...
A woman flasely accused her ex-husband of moleting his daughter, than took the child to a counselor who has been tried three times for child sexual abuse.
Another guy sold a profitable real estate francise and used the proceeds to buy, among other things, the original first printing (in a newspaper) of the United States Constitution and a full stegosaourus skelleton.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
I don't know how you do family law.
It would get me too angry/depressed.
Believe it or not.
Sometimes I actually help people, and it can be very rewarding.
I won a relocation case for a kid that wanted to play football for a better high school, he was in eighth grade at the time. He is a senior in HS now, and has a pocket full of D-1 scholarship offers.
That’s how I do it.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
Well I commend you for that.
Although I didn’t like it when Coy Wire left our school.
His Dad still sends me updates.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
that dude sounds like someone I wanna hang with
(the profitable real estate guy I mean)
"my dad says Michigan used to be good"
I wanna ride the stegosaurus skeleton!
I’ll tell you why. Because we’re talking about Joe Freaking Paterno here.
-Jitterbug
by leeharvey418 on Dec 13, 2011 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
I think buying a stegosaurus skeleton is definitely what I’d have bought in a “Blank Check” scenario if I came into money at age 12. I think at my age now, I’d still like to buy one, but also a ton of booze.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
boats, booze, and brontosaurus' for me
herbivores FTW!!!
"my dad says Michigan used to be good"
by hbeach08 on Dec 13, 2011 4:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
you could store
different spirits in its rib cage and dispense them by adjusting the plates. spiked tail could be used at bottle opener
This would be the best party ever
If I ever make it in this world, I vow to combine drinking and fossils.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
I had his Wife.
But her husband was a fascinating guy. He can actually convince you that George Washington was not the first President of the United States. Because he is right.
I could talk for an hour about the stuff that they acquired over the course of their marriage. Like, signed copies of Uncle Tom’s Cabin, hand written letters from James Madison. They had the original deed for Peters Township near Pittsburgh that was signed by Ben fucking Franklin. Wild shit.
That Constitution sold for over $200,000 at auction at Christies. It was on the Today Show. They had a Declaration of Independence that sold for over $150,000. Just wild, wild, shit. It was all in my firm’s conference room for 10 hours one day, I was like a kid in a candy store, I love shit like that.
When we finished, the Wife wanted to give me a token of her appreciation, I was allowed to pick just about anything out of the remaining collection when the case was over. I picked a framed autographed picture of Muhammad Ali, with a Casisus Clay signature below it. It’s awesome.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
by jesse. on Dec 13, 2011 4:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
freakin Derry's got a chellenger
for MIMITW as far as I’m concerned
"my dad says Michigan used to be good"
I MUST know which franchise
"I've seen over 200 episodes of Law & Order and it's paying off big time!"
Can't you'd probably be able to figure it out.
If you can’t already. If you do, please don’t post it.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
I'm going to explain the Constitution at the bottom of the page.
It’s too good a story, and it’s too condensed up here.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
Care to speak
at an upcoming alumni assoc. meeting?
Who?
Beach I assume. Or the opposing party on my case?
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
Actually you, Jesse
but I may have been mistaken in getting the idea you are in NE Ohio. One of the ideas we are kicking around is looking for “interesting local alumni” for speaking engagements. While athletics is typically the first thing folks think about, I also want to hear from engineers, lawyers, musicians, etc.
Really?
If you can’t make a distinction between answering questions posed by an attorney and those asked by reporters, then I don’t even know how you manage to string a sentence together.
I’ll tell you why. Because we’re talking about Joe Freaking Paterno here.
-Jitterbug
by leeharvey418 on Dec 13, 2011 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
Are you able to react differently in different situations?
If some jackass in-law repeatedly says dumb things, I tell him off in sarcastic manner that makes him feel lower than a cockroach. If a jackass attorney in a court-of-law repeatedly says dumb things while I’m on the stand, I respect the process, answer truthfully, and let my lawyer handle the rest.
It’s not that hard.
You can still have a litte fun with them
I have on the witness stand before.
If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris
by carolinaeasy on Dec 13, 2011 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
Not going to get into it but it was a ridiculous trial
If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris
by carolinaeasy on Dec 13, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
You're missing the point
I’m asserting that those who think Paterno would answer tough questions in public at a press conference with the same forthrightness and detail that he would in a courtroom are being foolish. The people at the press conference haven’t sworn him in and can’t do anything to him.
In other words
I believe Paterno would tell a member of the media to go take a hike if they asked him a tough question about what he knew about Sandusky and when he knew it, if he didn’t feel like answering it. That’s just common sense. He might claim it was because the questioner was an idiot, or because they were repeating themselves, but he’d still do it.
Those of you who think he’d open the whole book and answer every single question that came his way in full detail to the satisfaction of the press are the ones making the huge unsupported logical leap.
(and no bullshit about how the press doesn’t deserve to have their questions answered to their satisfaction, please).
I think that belief is contrary to
WANTING to answer questions about the situation. If he was going to tell them to take a hike, why was he putting out a press release saying he would answer any and all questions? Why wouldn’t he continue to hide behind the University’s “football only” policy?
Leaders Co-Champions
by PSUinBOSSton on Dec 13, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
Because
he wants to answer questions on his own terms, obviously. This doesn’t mean the questions wouldn’t be subject to his own boundaries, which, again, would not be the same thing as what you would get if he was forced to answer under oath in a courtroom.
Answering a question about your legacy, and a question about the week's starting LG are two VASTLY different things.
If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris
by carolinaeasy on Dec 13, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
imo
if a reporter asks JVP about JS he will will not answer the question because his attorneys have advised him not to. If an attorney asks him a question he will answer is to the best of his ability. JVP has an immense respect for the law (crazy, i know). I could, however, see him getting cross or frustrated with the process – but ultimately – he will be deferential. Like I said, imo.
he did plan on becoming a lawyer himself...
"I've seen over 200 episodes of Law & Order and it's paying off big time!"
In what scenario...
do you envision Sollers telling Paterno not to give any testimony regarding Sandusky?
I don’t mean to badger here, I’m legitimately curious.
I’ll tell you why. Because we’re talking about Joe Freaking Paterno here.
-Jitterbug
by leeharvey418 on Dec 13, 2011 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
That's not what she said.
She said he wouldn’t answer reporters based on lawyer’s advice. She wasn’t discussing testimony.
Tom Bradley for PSU Head Coach!
Follow @Paige2PSU
My bad.
Yes, I agree completely that Joe would not be able to answer a reporter’s questions until the criminal proceedings have concluded.
I’ll tell you why. Because we’re talking about Joe Freaking Paterno here.
-Jitterbug
by leeharvey418 on Dec 13, 2011 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
Don't you think
that Joe would probably treat being under oath in trial a little differently than being in a press conference for a football game? I mean come on you can’t honestly think he’d take the same approach in the court of law as he does with stupid ass reporters from Pittsburgh, or jackasses like Giger, who ask stupid questions to stir up a story….get real
by va2pennstate on Dec 13, 2011 8:49 PM EST up reply actions
Again, you're assuming Joe will react the same exact way in every situation.
And again, you’re incorrect.
"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84
No.
Try reading for more detail. I made a clear difference between a hostile questioner and somebody lobbing softballs. By definition, I have NOT assumed he “will react the same exact way in every situation”.
You're equating a press conference with a courtroom
and reporters with lawyers and a judge.
By definition you HAVE assumed so.
"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84
No.
Try again. He obviously responds differently to softball questions than to hostile ones. But by definition I am NOT assuming he will react the same way to all hostile questions, because he’s smart enough to know that his typical way of responding to hostile questions won’t work in court.
Changing the argument so you'll win. Clever.
You just confirmed my main point by saying he’ll react differently to a different situation. So thanks. And no, I’m not going to take your bait and start a different argument that you’re more prepared for.
Man, I was on your side when carolinaeasy made his inappropriate “joke”. But I sure can see how he got so frustrated with you.
"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84
Clear? No.
1. We have reams of evidence showing how he reacts to seemingly hostile questions outside the courtroom.
2. We know he couldn’t get away with that in the courtroom.
3. You like to think his past experience answering hostile questions is irrelevant to how he would answer hostile questions outside the courtroom.
There’s at least 2 separate situational comparisons there. You claimed that because I believe #1, I think he acts the same way everywhere. I pointed out that, no, I don’t think he’d act that way in the courtroom, because he’s smart enough to know he wouldn’t be able to get away with it.
But I still stand by my assessment of what a press conference would have been like. Some member of the media would have asked him something he didn’t like, and it would have been over.
All Imma say...
is that there’s a very big difference between a tough question and a hostile question. I have no reason to doubt that Joe would be willing to answer any and all tough questions.
I’ll tell you why. Because we’re talking about Joe Freaking Paterno here.
-Jitterbug
by leeharvey418 on Dec 13, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
I and willing to bet...
That if he’s on the stand he’s going to get some hostile questions.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
Depends on your definition of 'hostile'.
Hostile from the perspective of an attorney who may want to discredit him? Sure.
Hostile from the perspective of a reporter who has had his feelings hurt when Joe insulted him? Highly doubtful.
I’ll tell you why. Because we’re talking about Joe Freaking Paterno here.
-Jitterbug
by leeharvey418 on Dec 13, 2011 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
I think it will be worse.
At this point I think it’s safe to assume that Ammendola has [cannon]balls. You don’t go to the bank to steal a dollar, he’s gonna go after him.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
I don't necessarily agree
I think JA is a JA – and much of this is posturing – has anyone seen this guy in the courtroom? His tactics so far have been very questionable. But JS has maintained the JVP didn’t know anything about this, never talked to him about it, etc. They’ll want to establish how long JS worked there and it wasn’t until after he was gone that JVP had any information – JVP knowing less helps JS – because, remember, he’s the all knowing demigod of UP and SC (and Patton, College, Ferguson & Halfmoon townships) and if he didn’t know about it – it mustn’t be true.
I'm not sure,
I think what Joe “knew” will be ruled irrelevant when it comes to Sandusky’s trial.
not saying it's irrelevant
saying discrediting the current position that JVP knew nothing doesn’t really help JS’s case.
Don't forget Harris!
JoefromBoalsburg & family deserve their props.
The depth of both my sadness and anger is unfathomable.
We (Still) Are...
Why would Paterno..
be relevant for the Sandusky trial? The Curley and Schultz trials yes, but not Sandusky trial. Wouldn’t most of his testimony with respect to MM be hearsay?
11/9/11 - the day the music died.
The bitter with the better.
by Esteban d' Amur on Dec 13, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
I disagree
I am not really seeing a situation where Amendola even has Joe on the stand. Maybe I’m missing something, but I’m not sure he’s going to testify at all in the Sandusky trial. Of what legal import is what Joe did or didn’t do to Sandusky’s defense? If anything, Paterno’s testimony supports their narrative that there was only general tomfoolery as opposed to sexual abuse.
Also, I think the perjury charges won’t make it to trial, so I don’t think we hear from Joe at all in court.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
by OctaShields on Dec 13, 2011 4:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
For the prosecution
Joe has been described as a “cooperating witness” by the DA. He would likely appear briefly to corroborate the actions and demeanor of McQ after the THING in 2002, and the request for a meeting with Curley and Schultz. That would probably be e extent of it. Upon cross examination, JA will ask something stupid, someone will object, and Joe will make that face from “Come to Pennn Staaaaate.”
"I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part."
-Eric "Otter" Stratton (Tim Matheson), Animal House, Universal Pictures (1978).
M1EK has complete changed what I said above
He said
1. Giger asks tough questions like a lawyer. I disagree
2. Joe would not answer tough questions like GIger asks and would not want to answer the lawyer. I disagree.
I said I think Joe would be one of the best witnesses in a court ppearance and was probably the best, most prepared witness at the GJ.
4.I sai his bias towards Joe makes him a poor person to argue this point because he already dis respects Joe.
5. M1EK doesn’t think the press asks idiotic questions to Joe at pressers, Joe just doesn’t answer hard questions. Name one hard question, one, just one.
I’m done, I wont do this again.
I just read.
Sigh.
You just asked someone to do homework. That is uncivil.
"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13
by kijana's acl on Dec 13, 2011 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
I think Joe is smart enough to know the difference
plus, he will be more than respectful. Why wouldn’t he be?
"I've seen over 200 episodes of Law & Order and it's paying off big time!"
Because M1EK doesn't think Joe can answer a tough question.
I’ll tell you why. Because we’re talking about Joe Freaking Paterno here.
-Jitterbug
by leeharvey418 on Dec 13, 2011 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
Because...wait for it....Joe has an invisible forcefield around his brain that prohibits him from making such determinations.
If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris
by carolinaeasy on Dec 13, 2011 3:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Is that the same forcefield that made Joe think Schultz represented Police Services?
I’ll tell you why. Because we’re talking about Joe Freaking Paterno here.
-Jitterbug
by leeharvey418 on Dec 13, 2011 3:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Again, you are missing the point.
I know JP would be respectful in the courtroom. I do not think he would be respectful at a press conference if he were asked a bunch of hostile questions from the national media about what he knew and why he didn’t do more.
The evidence from how he responded to hostile questions at press conferences over decades should make the burden of proof here be placed on others.
Given the above, I do not think a public press conference would get us a tenth the real facts that a courtroom appearance would, which was the original point of all this.
...and I don't think an open press conference would have any chance of being anything other than a complete zoo
Sit Joe in front of a group of reporters who actually respect the interview process themselves, though, and I think you’d get real answers.
I’ll tell you why. Because we’re talking about Joe Freaking Paterno here.
-Jitterbug
by leeharvey418 on Dec 13, 2011 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
I see a Costas "special" coming up!
The $1,000,000 “honorarium” will go to charity.
I used to be indecisive. Now I'm not sure.
I'm not sure about a plea
I mean, I think Amendola and Sandusky probably have a price, but I doubt the AG will come down very far. They’d get DESTROYED if they offered a plea that could even be squinted at and look like a sweetheart deal. The AG being a political being, I’d expect they’d rather go to trial and lose or only get convictions on some of the charges (say for like 6 years total) than plea out – that way the “blame” could be spread to the jury and judge as well. If they offer like 6 years or something before trial, they’re toast.
Second – having some experience with preliminary hearings, Amendola is not a complete idiot. There is very little he could do at a prelim, and I’m sure the judge would keep a very tight leash over cross-examination of the victims. Most high profile defendants waive prelims in advance, I think waiting until thousands were there to cover the story was a PR move more than a setup to a plea.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
by OctaShields on Dec 13, 2011 10:50 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think
the circus was a calculated move to warn certain people what they’ll be in for if they don’t offer a deal that Sandusky is willing to take.
by M1EK on Dec 13, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
But seriously
If the Attorney General offers anything that wouldn’t equate to basically a life sentence, everyone is going to flip the F out. They’re in a tough situation, because they probably have an idea of what this kind of case would usually be worth in terms of a plea (usually using rough calculus on how many years you think you’d get at trial, minus a few to account for the possibility that shit would go wrong and to account for the time and energy saved by not going to trial). If this type of case would usually get 10-12 years behind bars, Sandusky would be wise not to plea for anything more than 5-7, but if the AG did that, her career as a politician is over.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
by OctaShields on Dec 13, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
I don't know.
I think if she has a couple of victims terrified of testifying and can get a good deal, she should go for it. She can always point to saving the victims from testifying when questioned. But you may be right about the media backlash. I just think that would be the right thing to do. Not saying she will do it.
I think you have a legit point here
I am sure Bellefonte hasn’t seen something like this outside of a wrestling match between them and Bald Eagle in a long time
If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris
by carolinaeasy on Dec 13, 2011 11:00 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Bellefonte wrestling has been a joke
Since Ron Pifer graduated. It’s Bellefonte’s marching band that has been their pride and joy.
District 6 wrestling is always a big deal
But I concur.
If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris
by carolinaeasy on Dec 13, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
District 6 was my district
Wrestling is really all we’ve ever been good for.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
by OctaShields on Dec 13, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
What school?
We have good softball too. Lots of great teams between Bald Eagle, P-O, and Bellefonte.
If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris
by carolinaeasy on Dec 13, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
Ahh yes
Central Cambria girl’s softball had a reign of terror in my day.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
by OctaShields on Dec 13, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
And uhh, State High.
Or are we not in that confrence anymore. I don’t really follow it.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
I think...Keep in mind I live in South Carolina now...
that the districts have stayed pretty much the same and State high is firmly entrenched in District 6
If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris
by carolinaeasy on Dec 13, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
Wasn't he my gym teacher?
That name sounds framiliar.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
He graduated early 90s?
If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris
by carolinaeasy on Dec 13, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe his dad then.
That name sure does sound framiliar, but it could just be a coincidence.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
I don't know for sure jesse.
I was guessing, my school played Bellefonte in every sport and that name sounded familiar.
If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris
by carolinaeasy on Dec 13, 2011 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, that's the guy.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
When did you graduate.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
I went to PFE too.
But only for first and second grade, then I went to Radio Park.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
You probably know my cousin
did you graduate in the early 90’s?
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
by OctaShields on Dec 13, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
Certainly my Older brothers do
May be a little old for me.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
Well his dad was a teacher at Radio Park
Both had same name, the younger played bball and baseball
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
Fancy.
My parents moved from Lemont (THANK GOODNESS, right?) to Park Forest when I was 4 – never took a school bus until 9th grade.
I lived on Belmont Circle
Off of Melissa Lane. I put you and i within five blocks of each other given that description.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
I'd be more comfortable if this
revelation had come about in the Police Chief/Sandusky are neighbors thread. Hey, everybody knows everybody, right. Sick, twisted Center County.
He completed 17 of individuals 26 passes for 192 lanscaping your yard and two touchdowns - Chan Luu
We had coaches Wives for substitute teachers.
I had several football players as syudent teachers. Bob White used to work at the Mike’s Video on Atherton Street. It’s a really small town. Unless she is twenty years older than me, I’d put the chances that she’s met either me, or one of my older brothers, at about 95%.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
Or if she a lot younger than me.
Which is a possibility as well. My parents left there in 1995.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
I'd like to meet you someday.
My biggest curiosity is how you convey the period after your name in conversation.
- BSD Bunnymaster (Thanks Paige)
- The only Adam on this blog who doesn't actually write for it.
by AdamShell on Dec 13, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I just do by regular old Jesse in real life.
But I sign all my work emails jesse.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
I always imagined that you would pause between your first and last name.
For example, Hi, my name is Adam. pause Shell.
Kinda Bond. James Bondesque in a way.
- BSD Bunnymaster (Thanks Paige)
- The only Adam on this blog who doesn't actually write for it.
My last name is goofy to pronounce.
You can relate. So I try to focus on my first name.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
My name isn't hard to pronounce
it’s COMPLETELY phonetic. People just get lazy halfway through.
- BSD Bunnymaster (Thanks Paige)
- The only Adam on this blog who doesn't actually write for it.
Whatever Shellensburbles
I'm on the Internet cause I'm an Internet thug.
#OccupyESPN
Follow @134Lounge
by skarocksoi on Dec 13, 2011 4:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Shellamabamadingdong
I’ll tell you why. Because we’re talking about Joe Freaking Paterno here.
-Jitterbug
by leeharvey418 on Dec 13, 2011 4:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Shellgronkowski
"my dad says Michigan used to be good"
by hbeach08 on Dec 13, 2011 5:27 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Shellacalifraggalisticexpeealidoscious.
"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.
"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."
by PSU_Lions_84 on Dec 13, 2011 5:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
One of my friends repeats the "b" a lot
Shellen-b-b-b-b-b-barger.
- BSD Bunnymaster (Thanks Paige)
- The only Adam on this blog who doesn't actually write for it.
However, as I often have to explain
for the area we had a lot of people in our high school – and, thanks to the old 2-2-2 system, you didn’t really get to know kids in other grades that well. I suspect I may have known your “older” brothers.
It's over 2,500 kids now.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
Imagine coming from a HS
with 150-180 kids per class and playing State College in sports every now and then.
My varsity basketball team played State College’s freshman team one year and got pwned. That team also may have had Jordan Norwood and won the state title, but still.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
Every once and awhile we get a guy like that.
But shit, I owe dinners all over town because they can’t beat a WPIAL team to save their friggin life.
The reason is so simple too, they don’t give kids pad in State College until 7th grade. They’ve got 10 year olds playing full contact on modified fields here.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
Ugh
I know how that feels. Went to Laurel Valley, wrestled at the other end of the district in Ligonier Valley. Combined totals put us in AAA. I graduated with 60 or so other kids.
We’d take a short bus to State College every so often to scrimmage/practice before we hit the meat of our schedule.
It takes courage to stand behind someone you believe in when it’s this bad outside. It takes courage to stand up for a man in peril, even if he stood up for you. - JoePo on JoePa
Nice
I was also a D6er. Only ever played Ligonier Valley in basketball in 2000 (absolute soul-crushing victory) and 2001 in soccer, when for some reason they were really freaking good. By good, I mean good for D6 soccer.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
Wow
Shows how long I’ve been away, they never had soccer (at least not PIAA) while I was there.
As for the basketball team, the wrestling team would regularly beat up on them in scrimmages leading to “Oh yeah, you guys think you’re so good at basketball? Next time we wr…nevermind!”
It takes courage to stand behind someone you believe in when it’s this bad outside. It takes courage to stand up for a man in peril, even if he stood up for you. - JoePo on JoePa
Also, I Jordan play the other day.
He almost made it to the NFL.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
If that's a Browns joke
I approve
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
What other kind of joke could it be?
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
He's one of the best players on that team.
And that is a problem.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
"Browns Joke" being redundant
but yes, Norwood isn’t bad for them. I actually think he could be decent in a Wes Welker type role for a lot of teams.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
I think there's truth in that
Some of the victims already expressed relief through their lawyers that they’re glad they didn’t have to testify today.
by Chris Grovich on Dec 13, 2011 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
It had to be intimidating for everyone scheduled to testify
Plus given the amount of leaks thus far I am sure some of them don’t want to publicly come out about this just yet/
If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris
by carolinaeasy on Dec 13, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
Sandusky did not ask for the media to show up in droves.
But you play the hand that is dealt. I believe they got some discovery concessions out of waiving the hearing.
My personal opinion
is that JS doesn’t think he’s done anything wrong. He loves these kids and it’s all just a misunderstanding – that they’ve been coached and influenced by outside sources to turn them against him – and to misinterpret their relationships. ie, he’s an abuser.
JS knows, or at least has been told, that if he’s convicted/pleads guilty he will never be able to work with children again (not that he’ll be able to anyway) – I think this may be the most important thing to him – he has to fight.
I don’t understand Amendola’s strategy, tactics, statements or timing – personally, I think he’s in way over his head, but he’s absolutely loving the attention/celebrity. I think he’s known for a while that he was going to waive the hearing – I also think he wasn’t ready/prepared – but he was happy to have an hour long press conference today .
Whether the rest of your statement is true or not
I think we can all pretty much agree that Sandusky doesn’t think he’s done anything wrong.
Fire Dan Snyder
Doom and Gloom from M1
Born in Fort Sanders - 1st Residence Aconda Court (Alumni Hall) - 1st games at Neyland 1947 - Mother = TORCHBEARER - Dad grad of UT & UT Law + professor BORN ORANGE and BLEED ORANGE .......
by aurabass on Dec 13, 2011 4:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Aaaaah......
30 News orgs here….100s of reporters….what can they do now until friday? Well of course they can try to coerce someone to break HIPPA and find out where Joe is, eh? That’s my guess, you know, the “according to unnamed family sources”……take it from me NO Paterno Family members are talking to the Press.
"The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me God."
by DerryPharmer on Dec 13, 2011 9:08 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
I would like to see a
big kickball or dodgeball game break out.
He completed 17 of individuals 26 passes for 192 lanscaping your yard and two touchdowns - Chan Luu
by rahpsu92 on Dec 13, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Just for the record,
and you’re not the only one to make this mistake, but it’s HIPAA not HIPPA. The Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act. Since I teach about it, that’s one of my pet peeves.
Tom Bradley for PSU Head Coach!
Follow @Paige2PSU
One of mine is when people call an "end around" a "reverse".
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
by jesse. on Dec 13, 2011 2:46 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
One of mine
is when Galen Hall calls an end around or a reverse.
The depth of both my sadness and anger is unfathomable.
We (Still) Are...
by PSU_Buch on Dec 13, 2011 2:47 PM EST up reply actions 18 recs
Instant rec!
"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.
"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."
by PSU_Lions_84 on Dec 13, 2011 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
ditto
that was one f’ing awesome comment
first ballot BSD HOF’er right there
"my dad says Michigan used to be good"
mine is axe instead of ask
"I've seen over 200 episodes of Law & Order and it's paying off big time!"
by letsgopsu on Dec 13, 2011 3:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Excuse me, can I ax you a queshion?
I, for one, plan to continue my life long contempt for the powers that be and I fully expect to be disappointed with whatever choice is made. ~PSUgirl
Actually that is how it is supposed to be pronounced
Back in the 19th century Victorians used to say Axe, instead of Ask. Linguist believe that in the not to near future we are going back to Axe.
Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose - Janis Joplin
Sometimes I'm fascinated by the field of linguistics...
Then I read some garbage about words having intrinsic meaning (think onomatopoeia, but on a fundamental psychological level) and I think a lot of linguists are just full of shit.
I’ll tell you why. Because we’re talking about Joe Freaking Paterno here.
-Jitterbug
by leeharvey418 on Dec 13, 2011 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
I had to take latin for my history concentration
And the proff was a linguist at heart, and he would say things about how the meaning of words were derived and how they were actually pronouced. There were a few times I called bullshit on things and asked him to go into the epistomolgy of that, he would try then just give up.
Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose - Janis Joplin
Allow me
to be the pedantic tangent crasher.
Did you mean etymology? If I’m wrong here, my bad, just never seen epistemology used in that context. Also used to be called ‘Noah’ by english teachers and urged to go into etymology.
It takes courage to stand behind someone you believe in when it’s this bad outside. It takes courage to stand up for a man in peril, even if he stood up for you. - JoePo on JoePa
Could be epistemology
since knowledge/reality/truth or whatever we want to call it is symbolically induced in interaction with cognition. Although I prefer to avoid epistemology, preferring instead to take my cue from pragmatists like Richard Rorty.
"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
Thanks!
Any chance you could suggest some reading in this area? Love to read/learn and sadly philosophy seems to be a big weak area of mine.
It takes courage to stand behind someone you believe in when it’s this bad outside. It takes courage to stand up for a man in peril, even if he stood up for you. - JoePo on JoePa
The best and most accessible articulations
of my point of view would be:
Rorty, R. (1999). Philosophy and Social Hope. New York: Penguin.
West, C.L. (1989). The American Evasion of Philosophy: A Genealogy of Pragmatism. Madison: University of Wisconsin Press.
"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
I know it's watered down, but there's a really good illustrated "crash course"
It can be found here and does a fantastic job of explaining the fundamentals and answering questions you might have along the way.
"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84
You're right -- they are full of shit (at least those thinking like that).
Words are symbols and mean only insofar as we tacitly participate in social conventions identifying a particular concept or thing with a particular symbol. The locus of meaning is in the mind, both individual and social, not in a symbol. Language is a dynamic process of transformation moving from the bottom-up. That’s why a dictionary has no authority over meaning and can at best reflect usage.
So ends today’s message from the "social influence on cognition" wing of the party.
"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
by SubLime on Dec 13, 2011 4:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Remind me to get you started on Noam Chomsky over a bottle of bourbon sometime.
I’ll tell you why. Because we’re talking about Joe Freaking Paterno here.
-Jitterbug
by leeharvey418 on Dec 13, 2011 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
Chomsky -- we'll tear him up.
"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
I argue that with my students
That words are a living creature. One gerneration has a meaning for a certain word where within a few decades that word will have a completely and original meaning. Sometimes great events can push the meaning of words into differnet directions.
In his book Great War and Modern Memory Paul Fussell argues that the great war had a major impact upon much of the language of today. The fact that there was so much new and unrelatable events that took place in such a short period of time necessitated the changing of words and meanings. For instance, I like to use the term twat. The original defninition is just a clearing in the woods, a natural event. Since the great war it has come to mean a derogatory statement.
Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose - Janis Joplin
From what I know of Fussell,
his work is sympathetic to the institutional memory / institutional forgetting orientation that I get from Kenneth Burke, Mary Douglas, and others. As reality is constructed and remembered through language, so will it be forgotten.
"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
I can see what your saying
This really is the only work of his I read, since he is out of my area. But he was very interested in how the common solider was using words, and how those words and meanings were making thier way into the common lexicon of the nations around them.
Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose - Janis Joplin
One of mine is when people use bias wrong, specifically when they don't use the past tense.
Example: Those refs sucked, they were so bias.
WE'RE DANCIN!!!
wow, really? I honestly don't think I have ever seen it spelled HIPAA. I'll do that once and my boss will correct it. LOL. .
by WarBuck46410 on Dec 13, 2011 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
Honest to goodness.
There is no second P in the acronym.
Tom Bradley for PSU Head Coach!
Follow @Paige2PSU
I bet you like to play Hungry Hungry Hipoos.
I’ll tell you why. Because we’re talking about Joe Freaking Paterno here.
-Jitterbug
by leeharvey418 on Dec 13, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
Did all the local hotels
boost their rates to $349/night with a two night minimum?
He completed 17 of individuals 26 passes for 192 lanscaping your yard and two touchdowns - Chan Luu
by rahpsu92 on Dec 13, 2011 9:14 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Wouldn't you?
#gougeespn
I’ll tell you why. Because we’re talking about Joe Freaking Paterno here.
-Jitterbug
by leeharvey418 on Dec 13, 2011 9:15 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
#gougeespn
So it’ll look like #occupybellefonte
Joe, the reason we shout "WE ARE" and the reason the answer will always be "PENN STATE"
Actually, the day this entire thing broke (5 November), I spent the night at the Reynolds Mansion in Bellefonte, it was incredible.
If you ever have the opportunity, I definitely recommend spending a weekend there.
Run.
by Bob Sacamano on Dec 13, 2011 9:17 AM EST up reply actions
Sweet!
I’m totally booking that place for the second week of January!
I’ll tell you why. Because we’re talking about Joe Freaking Paterno here.
-Jitterbug
by leeharvey418 on Dec 13, 2011 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
Surely this qualifies as a 'Special Event', right?
What the hell just happened?
by Pete the Streak on Dec 13, 2011 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
If this brings justice faster
than I’m all for it. Even if that means more facts never come out under oath.
.....that which we are, WE ARE;
One equal temper of heroic hearts
Conspiracy theorists are loving this.
I am not sure why I torture myself any more and listen to 94.1 in Philly, but as soon as the hearing was waived…they jumped right too…"Penn State officals must have gotten to Sandusky and convinced him to take a plea deal so that they can protect their precious school. "
by Jeannine Pinaula on Dec 13, 2011 9:21 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Can I assume it was that fuckhead Cataldi?
Run.
by Bob Sacamano on Dec 13, 2011 9:24 AM EST up reply actions
Yes sir...
you assume correctly. I’m not sure if I hate him or Ria more. Neither one of them have gotten their facts straight and a major part of the “media problem” here in Philly. They both love to hate PSU anyway (listening to them before the Temple game was laughable) so they are loving the fact that they can shit talk about PSU now, and if anyone tries to defend PSU/Paterno then they accuse them of “not getting it”
They were the ones that the week of the Nebraska game—were saying that anyone that was going to the game was supporting child abuse, and needed to have their morals checked.
by Jeannine Pinaula on Dec 13, 2011 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
The Philly media is absolutely the worst
they have never cared to let facts get in the way of a story.
Formerly known as kmart93
Black Shoe Diaries
Shock-Jock Radio
The media here in Philly has never cared about PSU until all of this, fuck WIP, the morning show, Rhea’s awful, awful voice and the mouth-breathers who listen to that shit.
Run.
by Bob Sacamano on Dec 13, 2011 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
WIP
I haven’t listened to WIP in over a decade. For the last year I’ve been listening to 97.5 The Fanatic, which is less shock-jock. It’s an ESPN-affiliate, so they have Mike & Mike in the morning and also broadcast Notre Dame games, unfortunately. The other hosts are all Philly-centric. PSU-grad Missanelli in the afternoon slot has been more level-headed on this issue than most of the media.
I used to listen to Missanelli.
You saying he’s been level-headed is the most surprising thing I’ve heard today.
"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84
Made the mistake of turning on the 10 o'clock guys
So many misstatements, assumptions, lies. I about drove off the road. I tried to call, but ran out of patience. They were talking about MM changing his story to cover up for Paterno. Not one mention of it actually being Dranov’s GJ testimony. My head hurts.
Did you hear Cataldi yesterday AM on Braun?
He already had him guilty of doping.
And when Morganti challenged him, he told Morganti he was “stupid”. He did not attack Morganti’s argument, just his person.
Cataldi is a clown—a remnant of the old 700 level.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
Personally
I’m glad I did the 700 level once before it was gone.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
OMG. WIP has the biggest jackals on air. Complete buffoons.
What the hell just happened?
by Pete the Streak on Dec 13, 2011 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
I stopped listening to them after I heard
Ray DIttenger tell me I was delusional if I didn’t think JoePa was acriminal the day after presentment. They can rot under the bridge with the rest of the idiots as far as I am concerned.
ESPN
Please quit using Penn State Scandal! Well the talking heads continue to talk. ST*U
An eventual guitly plea will be good for everyone
Making Sandusky admit what he is, even through legal posturing, is the best possible outcome.
Anyway, the flashlights eat our human power grids, our souls if you will. So i destroyed them, and if a few precious panties were burnt or soiled in the reckoning then so be it
Just sayin'.
Sorry for the large images. I did not feel like searching for long.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
Derp.
These should be side by side.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
What exactly does Jerry Sandusky have to gain out of a plea bargain?
He cuts a deal to be in prison for 10 years versus 20? Either way, it’s probably the rest of his life.
@JPosnanski - I saw a girl crying tonight. When I asked why she said: "Because everybody lost."
#OccupyESPN
Keep the worst of the testimony from becoming public?
I’ll tell you why. Because we’re talking about Joe Freaking Paterno here.
-Jitterbug
by leeharvey418 on Dec 13, 2011 9:51 AM EST up reply actions
More like 30 instead of 100
But, spares his family (and possibly their money).
Can he bargain to be placed in some sort of minimal-security prison?
Or even just to be isolated from the general population?
"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84
That's likely anyway, I believe.
I just think it’s insane to think he’s not going to swing back hard at this. Waiving the hearing is a tactic to prevent testimony from further destroying his reputation (as if he has anything left anyway) before trial.
@JPosnanski - I saw a girl crying tonight. When I asked why she said: "Because everybody lost."
#OccupyESPN
by Adam Collyer on Dec 13, 2011 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
That's true.
Especially since the defense rests entirely on attacking the victims’ credibility, this hearing was pointless for them anyway. I guess it’s more of an intimidation move (seeing how many victims would actually be able to testify) than it is posturing for a plea.
"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84
Amendola is a complete f**king idiot
by Mr. Rosewater on Dec 13, 2011 9:53 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
in general, I agree that Amendola has done a bad job so far in defending JS.
But, as one of the reporters tweeted, as it is turning out, waiving the PH was good decision by Amendola. It was going to have been at least a day of JS bashing. But now Amendola is giving speeches on the Courthouse steps turning the whole thing into a pro-JS spin-a-thon (as far as possible). For example, Amendola keeps repeating that the “victims” should be called “alleged victims” and he, himself, keeps using the word “accusers.”
also lots of talk about McQ and his lack of credibility, etc.
so it went from a day (at least) of bashing JS to a morning of spinning all the positives (such as they are). That will be what’s in this news cycle, so a “win” for JS (again, such as it is).
by WarBuck46410 on Dec 13, 2011 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
"Curley, Schultz, and Paterno are no friends of mine. But they are good people. They are conservative people"
Sandusky just killed the Republican Party too haha.
Lol they haven't had a pulse for months now.
"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84
Did he seriously just say that?
@JPosnanski - I saw a girl crying tonight. When I asked why she said: "Because everybody lost."
#OccupyESPN
by Adam Collyer on Dec 13, 2011 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
Well this won't help anyone.
Jesus Christ, Amendola. How do you even have a law license?
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
Somewhere Newt Gingrich is crying
If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris
by carolinaeasy on Dec 13, 2011 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
Somewhere I am crying because of Newt Gingrich
I, for one, plan to continue my life long contempt for the powers that be and I fully expect to be disappointed with whatever choice is made. ~PSUgirl
by jman07 on Dec 13, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Somewhere in the near future alot of people might be crying because of Newt Gingrich
If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris
by carolinaeasy on Dec 13, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
There is no possible way
that he is the best the Republican party can provide.
/sorry, no politics, I’m just disgusted with my party right now.
I, for one, plan to continue my life long contempt for the powers that be and I fully expect to be disappointed with whatever choice is made. ~PSUgirl
How is it possible that I agree with a candidate on so much policy...
yet the thought of him actually becoming President kinda makes my skin crawl?
I’ll tell you why. Because we’re talking about Joe Freaking Paterno here.
-Jitterbug
by leeharvey418 on Dec 13, 2011 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
I'd be much happier...
if we just chose a person at random, via a lottery, to be President.
11/9/11 - the day the music died.
The bitter with the better.
by Esteban d' Amur on Dec 13, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
Of the University?
I’m down.
The depth of both my sadness and anger is unfathomable.
We (Still) Are...
Either one...
I’ll tell you why. Because we’re talking about Joe Freaking Paterno here.
-Jitterbug
by leeharvey418 on Dec 13, 2011 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
Country or PSU...
as leeharvey stated.
11/9/11 - the day the music died.
The bitter with the better.
by Esteban d' Amur on Dec 13, 2011 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
/moves to Canada
I’ll tell you why. Because we’re talking about Joe Freaking Paterno here.
-Jitterbug
by leeharvey418 on Dec 13, 2011 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
Relevant
Formerly known as kmart93
Black Shoe Diaries
by Kyle_Martin on Dec 13, 2011 10:32 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
FTFY
Somewhere Newt Gingrich iscryingeating
"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84
Flintstones-sized rack of ribs.
"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
by SubLime on Dec 13, 2011 10:22 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ribs. I had ribs for lunch. That's why I'm doing this.
/obligatory
Run.
by Bob Sacamano on Dec 13, 2011 10:23 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The arsonist had oddly shaped feet.
I, for one, plan to continue my life long contempt for the powers that be and I fully expect to be disappointed with whatever choice is made. ~PSUgirl
FTFY
Somewhere Newt Gingrich iscryingeating babies
by M1EK on Dec 13, 2011 10:34 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You should think about what it says about you that you think it appropriate.
See what I did there?
If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris
by carolinaeasy on Dec 13, 2011 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
So you do know what sarcasim is?
Thank you, now please stop taking everything so serious. This is the internet.
If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris
by carolinaeasy on Dec 13, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, I know
I also know when somebody was caught being a jerk and tries to brush it off as a joke. Ha ha!
Seriously, man
WTH is it with you?
Ah, never mind.
What the hell just happened?
by Pete the Streak on Dec 13, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Busted. Dammit.
What the hell just happened?
by Pete the Streak on Dec 13, 2011 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
Yes
It remains easy.
And this remains the solution to the pooh on our BSD living room carpet.
It’s quite easy.
Quick, get a newspaper to cover it
/Big Daddy’d
I, for one, plan to continue my life long contempt for the powers that be and I fully expect to be disappointed with whatever choice is made. ~PSUgirl
I can't understand why some think a plea
is in the works. Does anyone think that the state would agree to some sort of punishment that would allow Sandusky to get out of prison alive? Can you imagine the outrage? I don’t think the state would agree to that, so I’m not sure why Sandusky would take a plea that keeps him in jail for the rest of his life.
That being said, don’t ya think Sandusky would take his chances in court?
When you put those black shoes on tomorrow, and you put on that jersey without your name on the back, and you put that plain helmet on, that's tradition. Penn State tradition!
--Who else?
As it turns out.
Public hysteria nad demands for lynching are not evidence. They are not even hearsay and conjecture. The strongest evidence in GJ report is McQueary’s testimony, and any one of four people who regularly post on this blog could discredit that testimonyh given an hour to prepare.
After that it’s all victims. right wrong or indifferent, none of them came forward of their own accord.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
You mean...
the one whos Mom called the cops?
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
That and 1998 was 13 years ago.
Try to get your bank statement, your own personal bank statement from December 2005. Unless you kept a copy, it’s harder than you think.
Do you know why trial lawyers get paid alot? Because trials are a pain in the ass. Fifteen year-old victim testimony? That was either not reported until after the intial charge came forward, or until the the DA came around. This shit is not a slam dunk.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
Not even a little bit.
I swear this ends with plea deal close to trial, and Sandusky serves a very minimal amount of time in prison because most of this stuff just isn’t provable beyond a reasonable doubt. I’m talking 12-18 months in jail, if that.
by Chris Grovich on Dec 13, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
The alleged victim testimony is going to count for a lot.
If Sandusky comes off as creepy (which appears to be a virtual guarantee), it’s not going to go well. I honestly think a jury will convict him at a much lower standard than “beyond a reasonable doubt,” even if that’s not how it’s supposed to work.
@JPosnanski - I saw a girl crying tonight. When I asked why she said: "Because everybody lost."
#OccupyESPN
by Adam Collyer on Dec 13, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
@ Adam Collyer I'm not a lawyer and I don't even play one on BSD
But I agree with you 1,000% here. The entire country has already made up their mind about this and I think that any jury anywhere is going to convict him, regardless of evidence.
Run.
by Bob Sacamano on Dec 13, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
which is why
the emphasis on discrediting McQueary. He’s the only eyewitness left. If his testimony, and by that I mean the worst-case version summarized in the GJ presentment, is allowed to stand, you’ve got proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Without him, you’ve got almost nothing.
Mike McQueary is only material to Victim 2
which is why
the emphasis on discrediting McQueary. He’s the only eyewitness left. If his testimony, and by that I mean the worst-case version summarized in the GJ presentment, is allowed to stand, you’ve got proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Without him, you’ve got almost nothing
My reading of the GRAND jury and prosecutors is that the McQueary testimony is not critical to their case. Remember that each count against Sandusky STANDS or FALLS on it’s on merit. Victim 2 is likely unknown or claims no molestation. The prosecutors must convict on the counts involving other victims.
IF you think the prosecution is hanging their entire case on MM and Victim 2 your way beyond lost in the ozone on this one. MM means next to nothing in the cases against Sandusky because there is no identified victim 2 at this point.
The Jury deliberates each count on it’s on.
Born in Fort Sanders - 1st Residence Aconda Court (Alumni Hall) - 1st games at Neyland 1947 - Mother = TORCHBEARER - Dad grad of UT & UT Law + professor BORN ORANGE and BLEED ORANGE .......
But I find it hard to believe that they can convict on he said, he said.
- BSD Bunnymaster (Thanks Paige)
- The only Adam on this blog who doesn't actually write for it.
I think that the burden has shifted so much to the Defense in this case
that only if they prove one of the victims is lying will they have a chance in hell.
Why?
Each victim is unrelated to each other. If they prove one victim is lying, that shouldn’t have an effect on the others. It works the other way too. If one victim is proved credible, it shouldn’t have an effect on the others.
- BSD Bunnymaster (Thanks Paige)
- The only Adam on this blog who doesn't actually write for it.
People intuitively relate certain things
If there’s no sign of collusion between accusers and a lot of the behavior they describe is similar, the jury is going to think it can’t be a coincidence.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
Still find it hard to believe there will be a jury.
- BSD Bunnymaster (Thanks Paige)
- The only Adam on this blog who doesn't actually write for it.
I said this up above
but I can’t imagine they’ll find 12 people in Centre County who don’t already have Sandusky pegged as guilty. EVERYONE I know, Penn State or not, living in PA or not, knows about this case.
- BSD Bunnymaster (Thanks Paige)
- The only Adam on this blog who doesn't actually write for it.
Right
So they’d spend 3 weeks weeding everyone who has an opinion on the case out of the jury pool and be left with 12 complete nutjobs who either don’t follow the news at all or can barely function as human beings in civilized society. There’s no way they’d waive their right to a jury trial. Juries can be fooled way more easily than a judge.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
"Juries can be fooled way more easily than a judge."
Well, sometimes. I was involved in this case from the licensure end. Basically 15-20 women all had very, very similar recollections of being sexually assaulted in this guy’s office, and the defense asked for a bench trial.
The judge basically said that if the case was in civil court, the dentist would’ve been screwed. But it didn’t reach the “beyond a reasonable doubt” burden in criminal court.
With these sorts of cases, the testimony is so graphic that it’s not an entirely bad bet to go with the judge’s knowledge of what burden is needed as opposed to 12-14 easily outraged citizens who might collectively wilt under the volume of testimony.
by Chris Grovich on Dec 13, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah this was my thinking
And given how difficult it seems to be to actually PROVE child abuse happened, especially after YEARS with no physical evidence… I don’t know, I just have a feeling Amendola has something up his sleeve.
- BSD Bunnymaster (Thanks Paige)
- The only Adam on this blog who doesn't actually write for it.
That's a good point
I might be looking at it the wrong way, since I always gravitated towards prosecution arguments in school. I see your point. In cases that evoke visceral and emotional reactions like this, a judge could probably force himself to apply the objective reasonable doubt standard more stringently than a jury. We’ll see how Amendola handicaps his chances (though the choice is ultimately up to Sandusky)
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
Juries are always a crap shoot
but it’s a crap shoot both ways and in this case the tendency to feel the massive number of counts and victims is compelling despite a charge to separate them the jury cannot eliminate the subconscious pull of the entire case.
Jurors will have a hard time believing in an 8 or 10 victim conspiracy. It’s highly likely that 2 or more of the victims will be very believable. They can describe the rooms and the events in detail and there will be corroborating evidence – plane tickets to bowls and guardian corroboration of dates and times to go with graphic victim testimony. That going to be very difficult for the defense to contend with and Amendola is no Johnny Cochran
Born in Fort Sanders - 1st Residence Aconda Court (Alumni Hall) - 1st games at Neyland 1947 - Mother = TORCHBEARER - Dad grad of UT & UT Law + professor BORN ORANGE and BLEED ORANGE .......
"12 complete nutjobs who either don’t follow the news at all or can barely function as human beings in civilized society."
There’s no shortage of that in Centre County once you get outside of State College.
Well, I might take a different tack with the same end point
I’d bet that there’s actually a fair number of people who refuse to believe that any of this is true.
Either way, you’re not finding 14 unbiased jurors.
I’ll tell you why. Because we’re talking about Joe Freaking Paterno here.
-Jitterbug
by leeharvey418 on Dec 13, 2011 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed. Unbiased will be tough to find. But they aren't going to have a choice.
The judge will have his mind made up too. And face re-election. It would be political suicide if he rules against the alleged victims.
Eventually they will seat 14 people
who convince the judge they can be unbiased.and a couple of those will be highly biased. I think the biggest problem in the initial trial will be getting out without a hung jury.
But it depends on who ends up having the most influence in the jury room and given Amendola for the defense vs a competent prosecutor I like the State’s chances against Sandusk.
Born in Fort Sanders - 1st Residence Aconda Court (Alumni Hall) - 1st games at Neyland 1947 - Mother = TORCHBEARER - Dad grad of UT & UT Law + professor BORN ORANGE and BLEED ORANGE .......
I see why you think that
but it’s important to understand how jury selection works. The judge will disqualify any jury candidates that have certain biases or inability to fairly judge the proceedings. On top of that, each side has a number of strikes that they can use to disqualify candidates that they don’t want, based on something they say or some sort of demographic factor that they perceive to disadvantage them (the sides don’t need to justify their decisions, as long as they don’t say they’re discriminatory).
I saw a trial for bank robbers that killed a police officer, which was covered very heavily in Philly a few years ago. The jury selection phase was 4 or 5 days a week and they’d bring in 120 or more candidates each morning and get maybe 1 or 2 jurors. This jury selection would be similarly ridiculous.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
I didn't see that
but even if they had, until last night they wanted his hearing as well.
- BSD Bunnymaster (Thanks Paige)
- The only Adam on this blog who doesn't actually write for it.
when do they have to finalize this?
Since he waived a pretrial hearing too, I believe, up until what point can you change your mind and request a bench instead of jury trial? After it has begun, or before the jury’s selected?
Fire Dan Snyder
I'm pretty sure this is done.
@JPosnanski - I saw a girl crying tonight. When I asked why she said: "Because everybody lost."
#OccupyESPN
by Adam Collyer on Dec 14, 2011 8:02 AM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't want my fate in the hands of an elected official.
I assume judges are elected in PA.
Because
I think the jury will determine is this guy a child molester or not? Then render a verdict on all counts. If one victim is proven to be lying, then as a juror, you have a real problem sending someone to jail on he said/she said.
If we wanted some legal thriller shit
Amendola and Sandusky would plant a former Second Miler to bring allegations forward and get into the case as a victim…and then have their story break apart and be proven to have been falsified, thus casting doubt on the similar stories of the other victims.
Then someone like me would uncover the scheme and have to escape death once someone figures out that I found out the secret (I’d escape via elevator shaft, just before being crushed). I’d bring my knowledge to light and be a hero!
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
I agree with you
The judge will give instructions to the jury to take each count on its own merit and determine whether the crimes charged have been proven beyond a reasonable doubt. The jury will listen, but still allow the totality of all the victims and charges to subconsciously affect their thinking. That’s my prediction, having seen a number of somewhat similar cases.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
by OctaShields on Dec 13, 2011 4:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Since each count of the indictment is a separate case
the jury will be charged as follows:
Just because the defense on one count succeeds at sustaining reasonable doubt the result on that count cannot have any effect on the other counts. If you find the prosecution proved it’s case beyond a reasonable doubt on any one or more of the counts you find the defendant guilty on those counts alone.
Just as one guilty verdict on one count cannot be assumed to be a guilty verdict on any other count – a not guilty verdict on one is not material to the verdict on another. Look at it as 40 separate trials.
Born in Fort Sanders - 1st Residence Aconda Court (Alumni Hall) - 1st games at Neyland 1947 - Mother = TORCHBEARER - Dad grad of UT & UT Law + professor BORN ORANGE and BLEED ORANGE .......
Even in THIS perfect world
there is a balance that is already shifted toward guilt.
I’m just saying that one victim caught in a lie won’t have that much of a negative effect. And the prosecution could weed out their weakest counts in advance of trial.
Born in Fort Sanders - 1st Residence Aconda Court (Alumni Hall) - 1st games at Neyland 1947 - Mother = TORCHBEARER - Dad grad of UT & UT Law + professor BORN ORANGE and BLEED ORANGE .......
They certainly will get rid of the weak counts.
I just think one person caught completely lying is almost a death blow.
Yeah, but it's 10+ against one.
Like Amendola said this morning – they’re going to look for evidence of cooperation between the witnesses. Barring that, I like the prosecution’s odds.
I’ll tell you why. Because we’re talking about Joe Freaking Paterno here.
-Jitterbug
by leeharvey418 on Dec 13, 2011 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
So do I
since the prosecutors can remove several counts and witnesses if they even suspect their may be a way to establish collusion
Born in Fort Sanders - 1st Residence Aconda Court (Alumni Hall) - 1st games at Neyland 1947 - Mother = TORCHBEARER - Dad grad of UT & UT Law + professor BORN ORANGE and BLEED ORANGE .......
I've asked before
and I’ll ask again, how do you “prove” any of the victims (minus the one from 1998) were assaulted? How do you “prove” the man testifying was the kid MM saw?
I, for one, plan to continue my life long contempt for the powers that be and I fully expect to be disappointed with whatever choice is made. ~PSUgirl
You don't.
These cases are nearly effing impossible to prove, especially this far after the fact.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
And that's been my fear all along.
I, for one, plan to continue my life long contempt for the powers that be and I fully expect to be disappointed with whatever choice is made. ~PSUgirl
Some will be shaky
But I think Victim One has him dead to rights. And once the jury starts thinking one witness is credible and believing that he was abused, they will be a little bit less discerning regarding the other victims, especially if there are some common patterns of behavior. Defense attorneys trying to create doubt oftentimes look like defense attorneys trying to create doubt. I think the jury will be skeptical of Amendola, and benefit of a doubt will be given to the victims.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
by OctaShields on Dec 13, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It's a whole shit load easier to bet on that...
When your name isn’t on the pleading.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
I will agree with that.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
by OctaShields on Dec 13, 2011 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
My Wife coined a phrase...
…she once said that a case had become unlikely to settle becuase they had hit “the believing our own bull-shit phase” of the case. Not sure anybody is there yet on this one.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
I'm pretty sure
Sandusky has been there for the last 3 decades.
I, for one, plan to continue my life long contempt for the powers that be and I fully expect to be disappointed with whatever choice is made. ~PSUgirl
If both sides haven't hired consultants
something is horribly wrong. Both sides should by now have pulled the files from every major child sex abuse case in PA, and in other states with similar laws. They should know how much different things are worth. They should know how juries react to different approaches. It’s more than being able to argue, it’s being able to accurately value.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
by OctaShields on Dec 13, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
By all acounts...
Amendola is a good trial attorney. From what I read, he is respectful in cross and not heavy handed. He will go after the alleged victims credibility and ability to recall events.
11/9/11 - the day the music died.
The bitter with the better.
by Esteban d' Amur on Dec 13, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly Octa
the jury decides who is telling the truth – that is all the proof they need.
Born in Fort Sanders - 1st Residence Aconda Court (Alumni Hall) - 1st games at Neyland 1947 - Mother = TORCHBEARER - Dad grad of UT & UT Law + professor BORN ORANGE and BLEED ORANGE .......
I suspect the Attorney Generals choice
will come off as more competent than Amedola who has not been impressive thus far IMHO
Juries do form opinions of counsel and judge the case in some degree on who they feel is better but it’s far more important that they believe the witnesses.of in this case the victims. IMHO
Born in Fort Sanders - 1st Residence Aconda Court (Alumni Hall) - 1st games at Neyland 1947 - Mother = TORCHBEARER - Dad grad of UT & UT Law + professor BORN ORANGE and BLEED ORANGE .......
Amendola won the day.
And showed much more competence than I expected—a clear method to his madness.
Don’t be surprised if he destroys the Commonwealth’s care—not because Sandy is innocent, but because Amendola is as dumb as a fox and the A.G.’s office is filled with formulaic litigators.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
Ester Randolph and the others at the AGs office
always like to have their ducks in a row.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
She is soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Hot.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
meh
I wouldn’t kick her out of bed, I suppose
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
Different things turn me on.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
She's ferocious
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
Yeah.
And then some. Anybody can get some drunk college kid into bed. But chick from the 1920’s that gets a law degree before getting the right to vote? She makes you earn it.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
alright
what the hell show is this that i apparently need to be watching?
"my dad says Michigan used to be good"
ah, thank you
saw all season one….have two on DVR…must be a season two character
"my dad says Michigan used to be good"
Oh, the old L&O detective!
My wife is a big fan. Calls her the pixie cop.
by Chris Grovich on Dec 13, 2011 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
Pixie is a good descriptor
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
He did two things.
First, he showed everybody in State College what a circus this is going to be. And from what I’m hearing people are getting concerned about it.
Second, he didn’t the prosecution have their little show trial. And he made them work for how many weeks preparing for it? Only to waive it at the last second? That’s classic Johnny Cochran right there.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
by jesse. on Dec 13, 2011 6:35 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Also
I merits notice that AD’s are not hourly employees, they are straight (shitty) salary with and typically they get no overtime. Which means for the last two weeks their work load doubled, and their salary stayed the same.
Do not underestimate how stressful that can be.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
by jesse. on Dec 13, 2011 6:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Seriously, this.
@JPosnanski - I saw a girl crying tonight. When I asked why she said: "Because everybody lost."
#OccupyESPN
by Adam Collyer on Dec 13, 2011 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I'm starting to get a bad feeling about this case from the DA/AG standpoint.
Watch Amendola’s interview with Munson and Ley on ESPN:
It’s the “Sandusky Lawyer Critical Of McQueary” link in the playlist. We’ve all mostly been DURR and HURR’ing Amendola’s actions so far, but he clearly has a plan.
by Chris Grovich on Dec 13, 2011 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
You should read Marsha Clark's book.
It won’t take you much more than an afternoon. There is a lot of really good stuff in it.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
The Cylons were created by man.
The Cylons Were Created by Man.
They Rebelled.
They Evolved.
They Look and Feel Human.
Some are programmed to think they are Human.
There are many copies.
And they have a Plan."
Author at Acme Packing Company, a Green Bay Packers blog, and Editor at BT Powerhouse, a Big Ten Basketball blog
Whatever holds the image of an angel IS an angel. The eyes are not the windows of the soul, they are the doors.
Yes, I am on twitter.
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Dec 13, 2011 7:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Beats.
Bears. Battlestar Galactica.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
unless he's referencing Das Racist
“Call me Dwight Schrute, the way that I eat beats”
I'm on the Internet cause I'm an Internet thug.
#OccupyESPN
Follow @134Lounge
Amendola is growing on me.
I think he might actually have the nuts for this fight. And I think his plan slash and burn. You might get Sandusky at this point, but you’re not going to get him without a fight.
I say all the time, I want people to think that I’m a little bit crazy. Moreover, I want them to be concerned over whether what I’m doing is crazy or smart. It makes people apprehensive.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
Join the club.
Seriously, I think there is a website.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
by jesse. on Dec 13, 2011 6:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
As hard as it is to admit...
… Amendola did a really, REALLY good job today. He found a crack in the wall, some water ran through it this week, and his strategy is obviously to wait and see what begins to flow through it over the next weeks and months. If he saw an opportunity and took it, he just stepped up the lawyer ladder. Don’t shoot me, I’m just your mother “out here in the counties”.
by jessedotsmom on Dec 13, 2011 6:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What JD think of him? If you know.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
Oh I agree
on trials being difficult, especially ones centered around 13-year-old charges. I was merely disputing the claim that none came forward on their own accord.
Agreed
If the defense really does have that kid that was in the shower and can get him to say nothing happened (although I am confused about that, it sounded like all the victimes were in court and ready to testify for the prosecution?) coupled with McQueary’s mess………………it’s not a slam dunk.
When you put those black shoes on tomorrow, and you put on that jersey without your name on the back, and you put that plain helmet on, that's tradition. Penn State tradition!
--Who else?
And he didn't come forward until after the charges came out, at best.
Given the fact the DA specifically said they didn’t know who he was.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
again, that was in the presentment and post statements
Doesn’t mean they don’t have an idea who he is, just that they really can’t prove it, might be more like it. And they are afraid to interview someone they can’t prove is the right person because it could shatter their case.
I just read.
But you agree that he didn't call the cops in 2002, right?
That’s kind of my point. Obviously there are reasons why he wouldn’t have, I get that, but it doesn’t help the case at all.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
yes,
I think we agree, sort of, making the same point from a different angle. And he nor his family called the cops. Also doesn’t mean that PSU didn’t contact him. Prosecution saying, PSU didn’t know if they contacted the right person. Man, this can get really twisted and Amendola seems to be doing a decent job of twisting the crap out of everything. Coming off as an idiot while stirring the pot quite well.
I just read.
I would say Nos. 9 & 10 as well.
I’ll tell you why. Because we’re talking about Joe Freaking Paterno here.
-Jitterbug
by leeharvey418 on Dec 13, 2011 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
Those are the two
I’m actually most suspicious of. I won’t say they are looking for a payoff (I would never make that accusation of someone lying about something this awful), but IMHO the possibility is slightly higher than for the original eight.
If they file civil suits, I'd be inclined to agree.
Until that happens, I trust the AG’s office to weed out the attention seekers from the legitimate victims.
I’ll tell you why. Because we’re talking about Joe Freaking Paterno here.
-Jitterbug
by leeharvey418 on Dec 13, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
I believe one of them has
I think the first to file a civil suit was one of the last two victims
"I've seen over 200 episodes of Law & Order and it's paying off big time!"
I agree
but I’m just saying that no one from the AG’s office is gonna want to do the press conference that informs us that Sandusky could be released in 7 years. Elections are tried in the public.
When you put those black shoes on tomorrow, and you put on that jersey without your name on the back, and you put that plain helmet on, that's tradition. Penn State tradition!
--Who else?
According to Amedola
no plea deal has been discussed.
It’s also being reported that JS waived his arraignment hearing, and has entered a plea of not guilty. The trial should start sometime this summer—atleast that’s what Ben Jones reported on Twitter.
by Jeannine Pinaula on Dec 13, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
Amendola's job
is to fight for the best plea deal possible, or get the jury pool so toxic that his client even walks. I would not expect him to say he was discussing a plea deal until the moment the plea deal was signed.
I half believe all these theatrics (and PSU clothing, even) is a veiled attempt to get the PSU powers that be to pressure the state to get him the deal he wants.
by M1EK on Dec 13, 2011 10:41 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
All the while milking this travesty for fame and fortune
He’s auditioning for a spot on a major news network as a legal contributor.
by Mr. Rosewater on Dec 13, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
He can sit next to Reese Davis.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
Or Craig James
What the hell just happened?
by Pete the Streak on Dec 13, 2011 10:57 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
and his family
can become the next big worthless thing – I’m looking at you Kardashians.
He completed 17 of individuals 26 passes for 192 lanscaping your yard and two touchdowns - Chan Luu
Kardashians?
I’ll tell you why. Because we’re talking about Joe Freaking Paterno here.
-Jitterbug
by leeharvey418 on Dec 13, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Nerd Rec
That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.
by Nittany_Ryan on Dec 13, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
He's doing his job.
It’s tough job, but somebody has to do it. In terms of “milking it”, I’ve seen much worse.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
Thank goodness it's only half
because that speculation is rampant.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
by OctaShields on Dec 13, 2011 11:01 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Facts are for pansies
Speculation FTMFW!
"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13
by kijana's acl on Dec 13, 2011 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
So how come engineers have a reputation as horrible spellers,
yet the person tweeting for the CDT just tweeted the word ‘purgery’?
I’ll tell you why. Because we’re talking about Joe Freaking Paterno here.
-Jitterbug
Haha, I noticed that too!
#buckle up
Run.
by Bob Sacamano on Dec 13, 2011 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
I though that engineers had a reputation as horrible dressers.
I’d never heard the spelling thing.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
Horrible dressers?
My Armani pocket protector says otherwise.
/doesn’t really own a pocket protector
I’ll tell you why. Because we’re talking about Joe Freaking Paterno here.
-Jitterbug
by leeharvey418 on Dec 13, 2011 10:34 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Is that because your boobs are too big to wear shirts with pockets or pocket protectors?
- BSD Bunnymaster (Thanks Paige)
- The only Adam on this blog who doesn't actually write for it.
by AdamShell on Dec 13, 2011 4:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Seriously.
If I had boobs, do you think I’d be wasting time on BSD?
I’ll tell you why. Because we’re talking about Joe Freaking Paterno here.
-Jitterbug
by leeharvey418 on Dec 13, 2011 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
Why not?
There are lots of other boobs here.
"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.
"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."
by PSU_Lions_84 on Dec 13, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Boob as a euphemism for fool implies a certain degree of good-natured buffoonery.
I’d sooner call certain people jackasses and not sully the good name of boobs.
I’ll tell you why. Because we’re talking about Joe Freaking Paterno here.
-Jitterbug
by leeharvey418 on Dec 13, 2011 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
True, but then my pun wouldn't have worked.
As Shakespeare advised, “Get thee to a punnery.” Or, if you had boobs, “get thee to a nunnery.”
"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.
"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."
by PSU_Lions_84 on Dec 13, 2011 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
Damn straight.
I’ll tell you why. Because we’re talking about Joe Freaking Paterno here.
-Jitterbug
by leeharvey418 on Dec 13, 2011 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
For those who weren't around for the fun jabs of Dick Aceto
Oops, I meant Richard Aceto #shotsfired (j/k, I kinda wish he’d come back)
- BSD Bunnymaster (Thanks Paige)
- The only Adam on this blog who doesn't actually write for it.
I forgot about that.
I don’t know how, but I had. Boobs.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
It had it's moments.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
Yes, it was epic.
And you made it so!
Author at Acme Packing Company, a Green Bay Packers blog, and Editor at BT Powerhouse, a Big Ten Basketball blog
Whatever holds the image of an angel IS an angel. The eyes are not the windows of the soul, they are the doors.
Yes, I am on twitter.
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Dec 13, 2011 7:28 PM EST up reply actions
I know both
some horrible dressers yet perfect spellers, some snappy dressers but horrible spellers. The best engineers are the worst dressers in my mind.
I'm on the Internet cause I'm an Internet thug.
#OccupyESPN
Follow @134Lounge
The best engineer knows who to ask to get the info to solve his/her problem
even if the question is “Honey, does this match?”
I have been told hundreds of times in the last 27 years, “you don’t want to wear that”
I also somewhat learned to spell doing crossword puzzles
I just read.
Two related notes:
1) There was a study that concluded spell checking programs stunts a person’s ability to learn to spell.
2) A study is currently underway to see why there is a high ratio of Asperger’s syndrome amongst engineers.
by Mr. Rosewater on Dec 13, 2011 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
Neither of these surprises me.
I’ll tell you why. Because we’re talking about Joe Freaking Paterno here.
-Jitterbug
by leeharvey418 on Dec 13, 2011 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
One related note
I’m an Engineer and in any and all standard testing (along with scores in classes) have shown that my verbal skills are higher (stronger) than my math skills.
I, for one, plan to continue my life long contempt for the powers that be and I fully expect to be disappointed with whatever choice is made. ~PSUgirl
Then I would rather read an article you wrote
than cross a bridge you designed.
by Mr. Rosewater on Dec 13, 2011 10:44 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yea. Can't say I blame you
Although in my defense, nothing I’ve designed has failed yet (though everything is under 5 years old).
I, for one, plan to continue my life long contempt for the powers that be and I fully expect to be disappointed with whatever choice is made. ~PSUgirl
I was joking of course
But that Asperger’s study is real, which is hilarious.
by Mr. Rosewater on Dec 13, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
I know you were.
I don't drive across my bridges either.
I, for one, plan to continue my life long contempt for the powers that be and I fully expect to be disappointed with whatever choice is made. ~PSUgirl
Higher incidence of children with Asperger's and autism coming from engineer parents is part of what is commonly known as a "broader phenotype."
Autism is really known now as Autism Spectrum Disorder and “classic autism” is comprised of failures in multiple skill areas (e.g., social deficits, communication difficulties, stereotyped or repetitive behaviors and interests, and/or cognitive delays). It is easy to imagine that ALL individuals might have differing levels of skills in any/all of these areas. If successful engineers are those most likely to need to have focused interests and are not hindered by social deficits because much of their work is done in isolation (particularly software types), it isn’t crazy to think their kids will be more likely to have similar traits. And if the traits of those kids shift just a little more toward the “disorder” side of the spectrum instead of the “normal” side, they end with a diagnosis and some struggles in life even when their parents function fairly normally.
I actually worked with a former software engineer who quit to go to school for developmental psychology (my field) when his son was diagnosed with a mild form of Autism. I’ve also shared offices and worked with people heavily involved in Autism research. It is definitely not always the case, but there is certainly an understanding in the field that often times with these children the apple has not fallen all that far from the tree. And further, it is not clear whether many of the parents may have received some type of autism diagnosis if they had grown up in an age where Autism awareness was higher. That awareness is probably the biggest reason that incidence of Autism are so much higher than they used to be… that and many of the cases which would have been labelled “mentally retarded” in the dark ages are now being placed on the spectrum, where it is much easier to get funding for treatment and children are less likely to be thought of as “untreatable” (i.e., most people think can’t fix stupid…).
Incidentally, the hardest part about “curing Autism” or identifying the root causes is the spectrum of behaviors that people present. It is now widely accepted that ASD has many root causes and the challenge is in identifying genotypic, teratogenic, and experiential subgroups that all share the same root cause(s). The relatively low incidence rate of the disorder doesn’t help make this process easier/cheaper.
by BNittsDeMilo on Dec 13, 2011 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
You had me all the way to 'teratogenic'.
Please to explain…
I’ll tell you why. Because we’re talking about Joe Freaking Paterno here.
-Jitterbug
by leeharvey418 on Dec 13, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
Teratology is the study of birth defects...
but I was really referring to teratogens, which are (basically) physical things in the environment that cause developmental problems. For example, children born to people who smoke have a raft of problems.
These usually have a “dose effect” meaning that differing levels (and timing) of exposure result in differential effects. Mothers who drink more are more likely to have a baby with fetal alcohol syndrome. Mothers who drink only a little bit but at certain time points in development (sometime in the first trimester) are also more likely to have serious effects on their fetus (this is why mothers who are trying to get pregnant should be abstaining, since they may be pregnant for weeks before they actually know it).
Because the timing and the dosages have variable effects, it becomes hard to pinpoint the cause, especially since something like Autism isn’t usually diagnosed until age 2 at the absolute earliest. This also entirely leaves out a discussion of the interactions between exposure to these sorts of things and how children with different genetic profiles might respond differently to similar environmental assaults.
by BNittsDeMilo on Dec 13, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
common misconception
In most branches of engineering, failures occur because of miscommunication (at least the non-malicious ones), not because of math errors. You ought to demand engineers with better verbal scores!
(I manage software engineers now after programming for 20 years – bad communicators make very bad engineers in my personal experience).
by M1EK on Dec 13, 2011 10:51 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So would you say you have people skills?
Are you good at dealing with people?
A pandemic of cowardice sweeps the nation.
by WorldBFat on Dec 13, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I already told you
I deal with the god damn customers so the engineers don’t have to!
by M1EK on Dec 13, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
WOW
What company?
If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris
by carolinaeasy on Dec 13, 2011 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
Stop jumping to conclusions!
I’ll tell you why. Because we’re talking about Joe Freaking Paterno here.
-Jitterbug
by leeharvey418 on Dec 13, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
lighen up
didn’t you get rich in that lawsuit?
"I've seen over 200 episodes of Law & Order and it's paying off big time!"
And my post above may sound like I think a bad communicator is perfectly capable of being an engineer...
which isn’t to say your point isn’t accurate.
Just, compared to many fields, bad communication may be often overlooked (or less of a liability) because a person’s ability to sit at a computer and hammer out elegant code or to become fully engrossed in solving a single problem may be a skill that most good communicators don’t have.
by BNittsDeMilo on Dec 13, 2011 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
I'm surprised anyone is posting here, what
with the confusing post title.
Can anyone give me directions to the Penn State Scandal thread?
He completed 17 of individuals 26 passes for 192 lanscaping your yard and two touchdowns - Chan Luu
by rahpsu92 on Dec 13, 2011 10:33 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
It's northeast of here, in Bristol, CT.
Run.
by Bob Sacamano on Dec 13, 2011 10:34 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Is that the thread where Craig James admitted TO THE BRUTAL MURDER OF 5 HOOKERS AT SMU?
Author at Acme Packing Company, a Green Bay Packers blog, and Editor at BT Powerhouse, a Big Ten Basketball blog
Whatever holds the image of an angel IS an angel. The eyes are not the windows of the soul, they are the doors.
Yes, I am on twitter.
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Dec 13, 2011 1:35 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
The thing is he NEVER ADMITTED TO IT!
HIS SILENCE IS AN EVEN CLEARER ADMISSION OF GUILT THAN AN ACTUAL ADMISSION OF GUILT WOULD BE!
I’ll tell you why. Because we’re talking about Joe Freaking Paterno here.
-Jitterbug
by leeharvey418 on Dec 13, 2011 1:42 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
"If you're so innocent, why won't you admit that you're not?"
One of my favorite Stephen Colbert questions ever.
That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.
by Nittany_Ryan on Dec 13, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
SILENCE WILL FALL
and hopefully, it will fall upon Craig James, ALLEGED MURDERER OF 5 HOOKERS AT SMU.
Author at Acme Packing Company, a Green Bay Packers blog, and Editor at BT Powerhouse, a Big Ten Basketball blog
Whatever holds the image of an angel IS an angel. The eyes are not the windows of the soul, they are the doors.
Yes, I am on twitter.
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Dec 13, 2011 7:22 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know, alleged murder tends to ruin one's hopes of running for office, doesn't it?
Author at Acme Packing Company, a Green Bay Packers blog, and Editor at BT Powerhouse, a Big Ten Basketball blog
Whatever holds the image of an angel IS an angel. The eyes are not the windows of the soul, they are the doors.
Yes, I am on twitter.
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Dec 13, 2011 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
Not if you're a Clinton
I, for one, plan to continue my life long contempt for the powers that be and I fully expect to be disappointed with whatever choice is made. ~PSUgirl
Future testimony...
Schultz: I know nuh-zing!!
Curley: nuuuuck,nuuuck, nuuuck
JoePa: Come to Penn Staaaaaaaattttteeee!!
I'm not rationalizing - I'm being totally irrational
by GoodOleDays on Dec 13, 2011 10:33 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
Anyone else think
Amedola cancelled at the last minute just so he could have a length presser?
He sure enjoyed himself out there
He was laughing and smiling.
by Mr. Rosewater on Dec 13, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
Is that some kind of male enhancement product?
A pandemic of cowardice sweeps the nation.
by WorldBFat on Dec 13, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
That or a new brand of almond-based cooking oil.
I’ll tell you why. Because we’re talking about Joe Freaking Paterno here.
-Jitterbug
by leeharvey418 on Dec 13, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
You know, I had Amendola
then I scrolled up to the one person who spelled it wrong to double-check.
I think he meant the "length presser"
which, incidentally, sounds like a terrible concept.
The depth of both my sadness and anger is unfathomable.
We (Still) Are...
by PSU_Buch on Dec 13, 2011 11:00 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I hear amendola creates gas and leakage.
You may want to consider a different cooking oil.
He completed 17 of individuals 26 passes for 192 lanscaping your yard and two touchdowns - Chan Luu
by rahpsu92 on Dec 13, 2011 11:11 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, that's exactly where I wanted this to go.
I’ll tell you why. Because we’re talking about Joe Freaking Paterno here.
-Jitterbug
by leeharvey418 on Dec 13, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
a few observations on today's hearing
from someone who covered these cases involving the catholic church. (keep in mind, i’m just making observations about the proceedings – not the guilt or lack of on the part of any party involved in this case).
i don’t know if today’s development suggests a plea since both sides have been pretty adamant they think they hold a strong hand. given ben jones comments about arendola’s press conference, it’s reasonable this was planned as another opportunity to state sandusky’s case to the media.
that stratagem is likely to change now this case is going to trial. prosecutors have seemingly ignored the defense’s public grandstanding but, in my experience, before they turn over the first shred of evidence as part of discovery they’ll be sure to have a gag order in place to keep arendola from using that in a public forum.
as for the case itself, if the defense suggests that the veracity of mcqueary’s testimony is the lynchpin of their case, then prepare for a full scale attack on the credibility of the witnesses. the portrayal of sandusky as the “real” victim this morning is likely the first harbringer of that. i can say from personal experience that if this happens, it will be more painful for everyone involved than you can possibly imagine.
from a political standpoint, prosecutors want a slam dunk conviction, but they’ll settle for less if they need to. while the public sentiment will be sandusky deserves prison i expect the bigger concern from a law enforcement standpoint is getting a strong enough conviction to label him a sex offender regardless of incarceration. with that, the state has much wider powers to control his interaction with children.
lastly, if there is a plea, it’s extremely likely no one will ever know the details of what transpired due to the lack of transparency in the pennsylvania law. the slim possibility of discovering any meaningful information will be quenched entirely due to the civil cases that have already begun. the parties will proffer “no comment” due to ongoing litigation and then, almost certainly, there will be a no-disclosure clause included with any settlement.
Remember the Rose Bowl: The Story of the Alabama Crimson Tide & the Grandaddy of Them All
Very informative
People who talk from experience rather than rampant speculation are always welcome here. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
by OctaShields on Dec 13, 2011 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
i should clarify
i know zero about this case beyond the media reports. but the similarities of this case and the gilbert gauthe case in south louisiana during the 1980s are extremely disturbing.
Remember the Rose Bowl: The Story of the Alabama Crimson Tide & the Grandaddy of Them All
Right
I meant experience as in having some basis for reference. I read your link to a Gauthe story a month ago, it was very informative on the long-lasting effects this type of case will have on the entire community and the victims.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
by OctaShields on Dec 13, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
if you want to know more about that case
and the details of not only what transpired, but how it unfolded the book i would reccomend is jason berry’s lead us not into temptation. berry covered the gauthe case from the start and his account is, by far, the most detailed and thorough out there. that said, he makes a number of disturbing assumptions about the crimes that we’ve already seen occur here – most notably the conflation of pedophilia with homosexuality.
Remember the Rose Bowl: The Story of the Alabama Crimson Tide & the Grandaddy of Them All
Only problem with this:
Apparently, we (in Pa) ignore gag orders and devices to protect info “not meant” for the public. See The Prosecution’s Presentment.
For weeks I couldn't figure
out why my spreadsheets had a bunch of errors. I had series of z’s where formulas should be. As I was wiping out new posts in this thread… hey.
He completed 17 of individuals 26 passes for 192 lanscaping your yard and two touchdowns - Chan Luu
by rahpsu92 on Dec 13, 2011 11:09 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
I find myself hitting z in any and all threads now
and getting annoyed when it doesn’t work.
"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84
by dbl5030 on Dec 13, 2011 11:14 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Likewise.
I’ll tell you why. Because we’re talking about Joe Freaking Paterno here.
-Jitterbug
by leeharvey418 on Dec 13, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
It is bad when your pinky is sore at the end of the day from hitting z
If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris
by carolinaeasy on Dec 13, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
By the time this mess gets sorted out...
we’ll all be able to curl 50 pounds with our left pinkies.
I’ll tell you why. Because we’re talking about Joe Freaking Paterno here.
-Jitterbug
by leeharvey418 on Dec 13, 2011 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
Just wait 'til we get toward the end of the coaching search
and names/rumors/etc. start really flying.
"Every time you go to that cook-off you get drunk as a poet on payday!"
I consider that a sub-mess, but yeah...
I’ll tell you why. Because we’re talking about Joe Freaking Paterno here.
-Jitterbug
by leeharvey418 on Dec 13, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
My small bonus for never learning how to type
I use my left “pointer” finger on the z key… I’m good for several hundred thousand posts.
*
Me trey.
What the hell just happened?
by Pete the Streak on Dec 13, 2011 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
I can type quite well
but i always just move my hand down and use the left thumb for robust z hitting
"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84
Your life will never be the same again.
And you’ll spend even more time on BSD.
Tom Bradley for PSU Head Coach!
Follow @Paige2PSU
It's crazy how a more efficient way of reading posts
actually leads to more time being spent here
"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84
If my boss knew how much time a day I spent reading BSD...
"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84
No kidding!
I’m trying to make myself only look on here after I’ve finished grading a paper.
Tom Bradley for PSU Head Coach!
Follow @Paige2PSU
That is exactly what I am doing with my papers
Fall of Rome term paper….
Fall of Penn State blog
Works out well.
If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris
by carolinaeasy on Dec 13, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
This is the same comment alot of Crackheads said after their first hit
If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris
by carolinaeasy on Dec 13, 2011 12:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Speaking of which
there’s a new tweet from Laschout…I’d post but tbh I don’t remember the rules from posting info from another site.
"Every time you go to that cook-off you get drunk as a poet on payday!"
If it's a tweet, you can post it
It’s public. If it’s a paysite, no.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
by OctaShields on Dec 13, 2011 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
Okie dokie
via Laschout:
“Hearing a final 5 is rounding into shape; Munchak and Golden among them;)? A final few will be sent to meet with Prez Erickson.”
Pretty cryptic. But hey, worth a look.
"Every time you go to that cook-off you get drunk as a poet on payday!"
I think he meant Prez Lackey
I, for one, plan to continue my life long contempt for the powers that be and I fully expect to be disappointed with whatever choice is made. ~PSUgirl
He damn well better have.
"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
Who are the other 3?
Scrap?
If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris
by carolinaeasy on Dec 13, 2011 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
Saban, Miles, Stoops
/trollface
Honestly, who knows? Petersen? Patterson? Cristobal?
As for Scrap, I’m in the camp that firmly believes he’s not getting this job, no matter how much he deserves it. But they’ve kept this thing so close to the vest that I guess we can’t really say.
"Every time you go to that cook-off you get drunk as a poet on payday!"
It'll be interesting to know in 20 years
how close Urban Meyer was to succeeding Joe, if at all.
"my dad says Michigan used to be good"
Urban was never coming here
He’s an ohio kid. Used us to goose up his contract. We would never come near that money.
Everybody who should be in a position to know something (but still doesn’t) tells me the only person who doesn’t know Scrap isn’t getting it is Scrap. Anybody have any info on the issue Scrap caused with not being in Happy Valley when the bowl bid was announced?…
*
the only person who doesn’t know Scrap isn’t getting it is Scrap
I don’t think this is true. I think he is acting like Penn State’s Head Coach until he’s not. He’s a professional and he’s doiing his job. It’s quite admirable actually.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
by jesse. on Dec 13, 2011 2:14 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Very admirable
I’m proud of the entire staff. Everyone has heard stories about how there are disagreements and this coach doesn’t get along with that coach, etc. But everyone is being very professional in this ridiculously trying time, and I respect that.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
Seriously
Could you imagine working your entire life for something, and then getting it, but knowing full well you’d only be able to do it for seven weeks? I’d like to think that I would play it like Tom Bradley has, give it my full on level best, so that i wouldn’t have any regrets later on.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
Yep
He’s taking a very honorable approach. The principle and ideal are more important than whining about what’s fair or whatever.
If nothing else, Bradley has cemented his place in the minds of all Penn State fans as a solid dude.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
Here is the other thing...
In my experience interviews are neither a courtesy nor a formality. If got an interview, you can always get the job, or lose it, depending on how you do.
Mike Tomlin was a courtesy interview. And my guess is he is pretty bad ass in an interview.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
by jesse. on Dec 13, 2011 2:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Mike Tomlin
makes Tuesday press conferences fun. My favorite of all time was “Rashard wasn’t looking after his details”
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
He doesn't speak English
He speaks “Football Coach” translated into English.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
Mine is
If Willie wants a blow, he’ll get a blow.
I wonder what
Tomlin believes the standard is?
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
Duh, it's the standard.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
That's only in the NFL
in college, it’s the expectation.
I was just gonna say that.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
I laughed when I first heard that one
somebody obviously has a brother who works for the Steelers.
Well said
If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris
by carolinaeasy on Dec 13, 2011 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
Just so we don't confuse my personal opinions
I would be very happy if Scrap got the job. It’s just, well, like I said above.
*
Just like the kid who plays the game without knowing the scoreboard
as a coach you want those kids because they do their job to the best of their ability.
As a fan I think you want a coach to do the same, and that is what Scrap is doing.
If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris
by carolinaeasy on Dec 13, 2011 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think they actually know anything.
And that’s an assumption on my part because they had sources in the past, but I think this search is being run at such a high level that their sources don’t really have anything. All of LO’s tweets have been very vague.
On another note, the new coaching staff is really going to scramble the lives of people who depend on certain assistant coaches and staff members to provide their little nuggets of information. It’s really going to shake that world up.
by Chris Grovich on Dec 13, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed on both points.
But it’s a fun distraction from all of the Sandusky-related awfulness.
"Every time you go to that cook-off you get drunk as a poet on payday!"
You mean "The Penn State Scandal", right?
He completed 17 of individuals 26 passes for 192 lanscaping your yard and two touchdowns - Chan Luu
If the new coach is from out of town?
Nobody will know anything for five years. Or on the other hand, it might not be fortress State College anymore, but I’m not counting on that.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
What about all the new transparence
I think they will choose a coach we can all see right through!
I just read.
Casper the friendly coach
the friendliest coach you know….
All of our comments are irrelevant - LetsGoPSU
by jaytay13 on Dec 13, 2011 1:10 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
He'll look great at a white out!!
I just read.
by BMAN13 on Dec 13, 2011 2:31 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I wonder how many people will be offended by me by the time that is over.
If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris
by carolinaeasy on Dec 13, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
I'm offended by you now
I, for one, plan to continue my life long contempt for the powers that be and I fully expect to be disappointed with whatever choice is made. ~PSUgirl
Damn
I am an asshole
If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris
by carolinaeasy on Dec 13, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
The first step
is admitting you have a problem.
I, for one, plan to continue my life long contempt for the powers that be and I fully expect to be disappointed with whatever choice is made. ~PSUgirl
Doesn't mean I have to stop does it?
If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris
by carolinaeasy on Dec 13, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
No
I think that step comes later.
I, for one, plan to continue my life long contempt for the powers that be and I fully expect to be disappointed with whatever choice is made. ~PSUgirl
Good
So I should be good to go for the holidays then?
If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris
by carolinaeasy on Dec 13, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
I will be at the Corner Room Saturday night
If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris
by carolinaeasy on Dec 13, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
Say hi to Rick for me.
"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84
Will do
For those who want to follow along with me on twitter @unsensitiveassholeCE
If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris
by carolinaeasy on Dec 13, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
total
Which side can I count you on?
If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris
by carolinaeasy on Dec 13, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
That depends. What are your thoughts on station wagons?
A pandemic of cowardice sweeps the nation.
by WorldBFat on Dec 13, 2011 11:43 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If they look like the family truckster I am in
If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris
by carolinaeasy on Dec 13, 2011 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
It's worse when you're trying
to do actual work while following a 500 post topic on BSD and forget to click back your your browser winder before hitting z a bunch of times blowing up your gigantic spreatsheet which feeds into your entire business.
He completed 17 of individuals 26 passes for 192 lanscaping your yard and two touchdowns - Chan Luu
Browser winder
does your browser have a crank?
I, for one, plan to continue my life long contempt for the powers that be and I fully expect to be disappointed with whatever choice is made. ~PSUgirl
two actually...
sucks when you get caught in the backspin.
He completed 17 of individuals 26 passes for 192 lanscaping your yard and two touchdowns - Chan Luu
I hit Z all the time on Twitter.
Author at Acme Packing Company, a Green Bay Packers blog, and Editor at BT Powerhouse, a Big Ten Basketball blog
Whatever holds the image of an angel IS an angel. The eyes are not the windows of the soul, they are the doors.
Yes, I am on twitter.
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Dec 13, 2011 1:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What I hate about this:
Amendola is answering just about every question from ESPN with competence and tact.
http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/41274/video-sandusky-lawyer-critical-of-mcqueary
Also, it is worrisome that so much of this hinges on McQueary testifying in court.
Can you give us instances?
I am still boycotting ESPN and ESPN.com
It was a 7 minute video interview, so kind of hard to summarize...
Basically contested MM’s GJ testimony in light of differing information coming from Dr. Dranov. Also, the lack of hard evidence/witnesses for the 9 other accusers and the public/media opinion on the situation.
I’m not saying JS is innocent, far from it. But it seems like waving this was the smartest thing they could have done to avoid the media frenzy resulting from 10 alleged victims recounting horrific crimes in court.
by Artiefufkin10 on Dec 13, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
What are the odds they change the venue?
It seems like this would work to the defense’s advantage, and what are the odds you can find nine (there are nine in a jury, right?) of Sandusky’s peers in Centre County that aren’t already tainted?
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
Then again,
What are the odds that you can find any of Sandusky’s peers anywhere that aren’t already tainted?
Run.
by Bob Sacamano on Dec 13, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It's normally 12 in a jury, but not always.
My dad was on a murder jury earlier this year, and that one had only 6 members.
by Kasey Fairchild on Dec 13, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
Ah, $2 Long Island Ice Teas at Cafe 210...
So many dead brain cells…
No but really – please don’t just drop a comment like that without explanation.
I’ll tell you why. Because we’re talking about Joe Freaking Paterno here.
-Jitterbug
by leeharvey418 on Dec 13, 2011 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
I miss ludicrous State College drink specials
I miss them so much. Half-priced everything at the Deli? Yais please.
"Every time you go to that cook-off you get drunk as a poet on payday!"
Thursday night
$1 pitchers at the Shandygaff. Shake the couch out and you’re drinkin! I did that in 1993 and saw they were still running that one several years ago.
I miss the dollar pitcher specials
One night our waitress came over for last call, and I slapped a $5 bill on the table and said “4 please”. Five bucks barely gets you a large coffee at Starbucks, yet at the Gaff it’s 4 pitchers and a 25% tip
by danpsu97 on Dec 13, 2011 11:04 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Then the lights would come on
and we’d scurry off like roaches.
My Ex-Wife got so drunk there one night...
…that she puked. On the ceiling.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
When it's that crowded
up is the only choice you have.
*
by Smee on Dec 13, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
That's spectacular.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
We were staying at Toftrees...
They had a shuttle bus, and she had never been to Cafe 210 before. It was bad. One of the best nights we had together.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
Yeah, I agree.
I thought that was a real possibility at 9 a.m., but I don’t think we’re headed there quite yet. So I changed it.
by Chris Grovich on Dec 13, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
Not to thread-jack, but I need advice and counsel
on how to appeal a BSD warning.
Attorneys whos billing rate exceeds the GDP of Switzerland need not offer said advice and counsel.
"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.
"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."
by PSU_Lions_84 on Dec 13, 2011 4:18 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
My two cents, which are yours for free:
Just because we don’t openly insult certain people doesn’t mean we don’t want to.
If the urge to bust out the personal attack gets too bad, just post a bunny picture.
I’ll tell you why. Because we’re talking about Joe Freaking Paterno here.
-Jitterbug
by leeharvey418 on Dec 13, 2011 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
Oh God...
I’ll tell you why. Because we’re talking about Joe Freaking Paterno here.
-Jitterbug
by leeharvey418 on Dec 13, 2011 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
It's supposed to be cute
but it can vary on your mood
- BSD Bunnymaster (Thanks Paige)
- The only Adam on this blog who doesn't actually write for it.
Origin:
http://www.blackshoediaries.com/2010/10/2/1725627/third-quarter-open-thread#48303520
- BSD Bunnymaster (Thanks Paige)
- The only Adam on this blog who doesn't actually write for it.
Rambler's bunny from a few weeks back.
"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
Obviously, I don't think my one post -- the one that brought the warning --
was a personal attack. I simply parsed out a word in a way that seemed sensible to me, and asked if that parsing was correct.
With my background, that wouldn’t have moved the “personal insult meter” one iota. Guess the younger, non-military generation is more sensitive than this old G.I. Maybe that is a good thing . . . .
"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.
"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."
by PSU_Lions_84 on Dec 13, 2011 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
Wow.
“Hi. Please stop this stuff. Thank you.” causes this level of complaining?
by Chris Grovich on Dec 13, 2011 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
Asking simple questions
engenders this kind of questioning?
"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.
"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."
by PSU_Lions_84 on Dec 13, 2011 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
Just don't double down and start cursing the editors
"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13
by kijana's acl on Dec 13, 2011 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He should call Chris a bad moderator
So we can get an Apples to Apples comparison of the reaction.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
Click on his name and use moderator as a search term.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
C'est moi.
I asked about someone’s twitter handle or whatever it is called.
"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.
"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."
by PSU_Lions_84 on Dec 13, 2011 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
I
was actually looking for the exchange that we were going to compare to yours. I’ve heard it referenced numerous times and always feel like the kid left out at school.
Really, 121, I'm just stirring the pot.
The mod who got me appears to be zealous in his role, and while I greatly admire enthusiasm, there is such a thing as too much of that emotion.
Everything in “moderation”, to make a poor pun.
"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.
"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."
by PSU_Lions_84 on Dec 13, 2011 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not going to link it.
It’s not that hard to find, somebody else can do it if they want. And honestly, out of context, it doesn’t really mean all that much.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
It's not like that.
But we had an exchange above, it got heated, but we were able to use it to refine our respective positions. Together, in opposition, we created a stronger argument. That’s good.
Further, now we both know not to “bring a knife to the gun fight” next time we disagree. I think over the past couple of weeks some people failed to make their arguments better, and instead, just started throwing around insults. I’m not a huge fan of that, and don’t want to add to it.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
Admirable position I strive for.
But I don’t always succeed. The old temper gets the better of me sometimes.
Well I'm glad I missed most of this.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
The 200K Constitution Story.
The framers of the Constitution finalized the draft late in early afternoon, about 3:00. It was then given to a courier that was supposed to take it to a specific newspaper for printing the following days edition. Instead, the courier took the draft to a rival paper that printed it in an afternoon edition.
What they had was a printed copy of the United States Constitution that was actually printed on the day it was completed by the framers.
The Deceleration of Independence story is almost as good.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
They cannot arrest a husband and wife for the same crime.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
This thing is turning into a John Grisham novel
and with the MSM acting like it is, Sandusky’s probably going to be found innocent and somehow this is going to get warped into Paterno wrongfully accusing an innocent man of molesting a child.
Thank you Jerry Sandusky, my cynicism has peaked.
- BSD Bunnymaster (Thanks Paige)
- The only Adam on this blog who doesn't actually write for it.
can we send him to live with Casey Anthony?
Wherever she is hiding
"I've seen over 200 episodes of Law & Order and it's paying off big time!"
and Dottie can go live with Mrs. Madoff
"I've seen over 200 episodes of Law & Order and it's paying off big time!"
Ha ha, nice
Wow there are a lot of scumbags out there.
So long
dot.
/takes horn and goes home
It takes courage to stand behind someone you believe in when it’s this bad outside. It takes courage to stand up for a man in peril, even if he stood up for you. - JoePo on JoePa
Comments For This Post Are Closed
Secondary Sidebar
User Tools
Related FanPosts on Black Shoe Diaries
Related FanShots on Black Shoe Diaries
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
Recommended FanPosts
Recent FanPosts
SHOP THE BLACK SHOE DIARIES STORE
