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Not so GRAND Jury Presentment on trial today?

Here it is Friday the 16th and at 9am Tim Curley and Gary Schultz enter the court in Harrisburg to hear from Mike McQueary so we might get to know if his GRAND Jury Testimony, or what he said to Dr. Jonathan Dranov M.D., or what he told Joe Paterno, or what he told Curley and Schultz, or what he wrote in his written statement, or what he said in an email to team members was accurate. Or did the GRAND jury sign off on a lie presented by the prosecution?

If charges against Curley and Schultz are dismissed today the entire Media frenzy that led to the firings at PSU and the public vilification of all things PSU become arguably one of the worst cases of premature judgment in recent history. Perhaps this will set the stage for a flood of defamation lawsuits against media giants like ESPN. In 12 hours we should know where things are if MM takes the stand.

New information about the design of the locker room if true shows that the summarization of the McQueary testimony is a flat out LIE - see the information at the bottom of this post. If the reported design is accurate it proves that the summary of Mike McQueary's testimony is totally inaccurate.

Below the jump is one characterization of the mystical workings that produced the all important GRAND jury Presentment. An unimpeachable masterpiece that has convicted Joe Paterno, Tim Curley, Gary Schultz, Mike McQueary, and Prestident Spanier along with PSU - the football program and everyone associated with any of those as pedophile enabling cultist.

In the Court of Public Opinion a horrid little hellhole in the middle of the state where they visit Hershey, Intercourse, Bird in Hand or Slippery Rock. - all obvious sexually charged names with dire consequences if you have a Falwellian mindset - is home to Pedophile University. This is due to this brave concoction where 23 wise and able sages have fully deliberated the truth presented by their protector the Attorney General as fair and measured evidence and carefully parsed it into the polished gem of truth known as the GRAND jury PRESENTMENT.

If you can believe anything you must believe the GRAND jury PRESENTMENT is the whole unvarnished TRUTH or so many would have us believe. It's certainly been TRUTH to the majority of the MEDIA - those fair and hard working intrepid seekers of truth and speakers to power and right who have littered the airwaves, the internet, and many a mail box with their outrage over the enablers who ignored a monster to protect a football program.

I haven't had the pleasure of seeing a PA GRAND jury hard at work in it's deliberations. But as usual I have a theory to run by you if you are as at a loss as I am for what to do after Jerry Sandusky bailed out of today's promising hearing. So those of you who would care to join me - take the plunge and JUMP

AND CHECK OUT THE UPDATE AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS POST

Star-divide

As usual I write to urge readers to withhold judgment until all the facts are known while offering alternate possible explanations for what may be happening in the Sandusky case. Everything below is aimed at the Victim 2 section of the GRAND Jury Presentment and the reported summary of Mike McQueary's testimony or what the presentment describes as an accurate paraphrase of what he offered in response to questions from the prosecutors vetted by the jurors by vote.

My reading of the GRAND jury and prosecutors is that the McQueary testimony is not critical to their case. Remember that each count against Sandusky STANDS or FALLS on it's on merit. Victim 2 is likely unknown or claims no molestation. The prosecutors must convict on the counts involving other victims despite Homer's claim to the contrary.

Perhaps Sandusky bailed on today's hearing in order to keep the Victim 2 charges in the indictment. He and his attorney may see some advantage in producing a victim 2 to testify he was not molested and in impeaching the testimony of MM using Dr. Dranov?

My experience from the other posts and comments on the Sandusky matter lead me to think that those who tend to think the worst about Paterno and PSU administrators also tend to put the most stock in the Grand Jury Presentment as strong and accurate evidence of fact. I trust they will have an equally compelling argument against what I suggest in this post.

How the Grand Jury system works in Pennsylvania.

Grand jury proceedings are conducted in secret.
When called to the grand jury room, the witness sees the grand jurors, a court reporter and one or more prosecutors. A witness before a Pennsylvania grand jury may take a lawyer into the grand jury room. The lawyer may not pose objections to questions asked or address the jury but can consult and give advice to his client.

The prosecutor poses questions and individual jurors may pose questions to the witness.
Then the grand jury considers a presentment prosecutors prepare which summarizes the evidence and sets out specific recommended charges. If twelve or more of the 23 permanent grand jurors agree, the presentment is submitted to the supervising judge for his approval and is typically sealed until the prosecutor is ready to bring the recommended charges.

The above is from the PA Attorney General website. - paraphrased for a more concise explanation

So 23 usually jobless and elderly adults are chosen from the jury pool and hear only the evidence provided by the prosecutors in exactly the manner they wish it to be heard. The prosecutors then draft the presentment and require 12 votes to get it approved.

In the case of the 23 page Grand Jury Presentment for the Sandusky case we have to imagine how diligently the jurors parse the wording for each victim. I find it difficult to imagine the jurors giving much thought to the contents. They are a tool of the prosecution and all they hear are prosecutors in a setting where there is no opposing lawyer to object or raise questions.

News media reports yesterday consistently stated that the GRAND Jury heard the testimony of Dr Dranov, Curley and Schultz along with Paterno and found McQueary's testimony "MORE CREDIBLE" than 4 older professionals. But is that really the case? Did these jurors simply accept the prosecutors presentment without deliberating the relative weight of the opposing testimony? Dr. Dranov is not even mentioned in the presentment.

Day after day jurors have been subjected to these horror stories from victim after victim. Their contempt for Jerry Sandusky and anyone who might have enabled his continued abuse should be overflowing when it comes time to approve the prosecutors wording in the presentment. Why would they care how it affects Penn State or Joe Paterno or even their star witness Mike McQueary? I imagine the prosecutor could write any characterization she wished that made clear their contempt for Sandusky and none would stop to give it's impact on others the briefest thought.

The target of the grand jury goes to trial where the system gives the accused his day in court with counsel.. A mistake here does not put someone in prison – it only puts them on trial. If the legal professionals want to try the case who are they to object? If prosecutors need their help to convict this monster why would they tie prosecutors hands raising doubt in the credibility of the McQueary testimony characterization?

Are jurors even given a charge prior to their deliberations ? Do they even deliberate? Or does the prosecutor walk in and read the 23 page document and ask for a vote? If 12 vote yes the session ends and we get what we got.

Ms Linda Kelley the States Attorney an ally of the Governor is not interested in anything more than making the strongest case possible against Jerry Sandusky and the "PSU people enabled and ignored and likely covered up" meme is in the best interest of that case. A graduate of Pitt and Duquesne Law, she has no ties to PSU. Her boss Governor Corbett received his Bachelor's degree from Lebanon Valley College then earned his J.D. from St. Mary's University Law School. As a cost cutting Republican it is said he was at odds with PSU President Spanier over funding and perhaps held some contempt for the stronger intellectual clout afforded a PSU grad over one from Lebanon Valley? Saving Penn State and Paterno from embarrassment and keeping Spanier out of trouble would not be high on his list of priorities - along with the priorities of his appointees to the Board of Trustees.

The GRAND jury would likely be putty in the hands of their prosecutorial handlers - the Attorney General & her assistants - and powerless to stop them from issuing a presentment that allowed the Board of Trustees the cover to toss the best of men under the bus and rid the Governor of a thorn in his side.

The presentment gave rise to a media frenzy and a tidal wave of negative feeling from a misinformed public moved to heap scorn on all things PSU. The presentment has now been irrevocably seared into the psyche of the American public by a media that rushed to judgment without the slightest consideration of how GRAND juries work in practice. If I can contemplate these possibilities why couldn't they?

I beg your pardon for yet another post on this subject although I feel strongly that this is a perspective we would benefit from discussing in order to add another element to our defense of Penn State against the misconceptions fostered by the media in the court of public opinion.

I see nothing GRAND in this GRAND jury situation that was likely steered in a very unfavorable direction for PSU by leaders who seem to have little reason to support Penn State. Does anyone have a better theory?

At least that’s one theory and I apologize to those of you who probably think I'm taking way too much liberty with your tolerance of an outsider. But it seems I have become addicted to this series of most interesting discussions with those I now see as cyber-friends. I find your company intellectually stimulating but will bow to your wishes if you prefer I retire to my appropriate place. I see this post as a totally different slant on the case from a perspective I never really considered until late yesterday.

Key Questions to consider in the poll below along with these: How important is the testimony of Mike McQueary to the case against Sandusky? Does convicition rest on him alone? Does his testimony have any impact aside from the counts against Sandusky regarding Victim 2? If NO and Victim 2 is either not identified or has indicated that nothing sexual happened will those counts be dropped from the case?

A guy from Tennessee who has adopted Penn State

UPDATE

A diagram of the locker room and shower room separated by a toweling area or towel room between the steam room and a heating jaccuzzi pool.

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via 4.bp.blogspot.com

and a picture is also available

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via media.scout.com

In this image we are standing at the wall and the entrance to the toweling area is to our left as we face the couches. You can see into the toweling area but you cannot see into the shower room. In order to see into the showers you must be well inside the towel room.

Hbeach08's description of the locker & shower area.

rectangular in size….entry is open and is about one third the size of one of the longer walls of the rectangle

not visible from main locker room area

locker room goes around a corner to a tiled "towel room" or towel area which leads to larger shower room

by hbeach08 on Dec 14, 2011 11:05 AM EST up reply actions

Thanks.

Even without a diagram, I think I’m still getting a pretty clear picture of an area that isn’t visible from the main locker room area. …in other words, a person wouldn’t see much of the interior of the shower room unless they walked almost all the way in.

by leeharvey418 on Dec 14, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions

yes, or past it

you can go beyond the shower entry from the towel room to a tiled steam room opposite the shower and beyond to the training/rehab/pool area

by hbeach08 on Dec 14, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions

Wow just WOW - you realize this makes the GJ Report a LIE?

Exact text of the Grand Jury Presentment

As the graduate assistant put the sneakers in his locker, he looked into the showers. He saw a naked boy, victim 2, whose age he estimated to be ten years old, with his hands up against the wall, being subjected to anal intercourse by a naked Sandusky. The graduate assistant was shocked but noticed both victim 2 and Sandusky saw him. He left immediately, distraught.

AS THE GRADUATE ASSISTANT PUT THE SNEAKERS IN HIS LOCKER HE LOOKED INTO THE SHOWERS. HE SAW A NAKED BOY…
so by the description it is impossible to look into the showers as you put sneakers in a locker.

Now it appears for certain that the GRAND Jury Presentment is a complete fabrication instead of a Summary of Allegations. Prosecutors twisted the truth to satisfy their need for salacious description while laying the groundwork for making Paterno and PSU into pedophile enablers and Mike McQueary into a pansy who would not stop a 60 year old rapist in action.

Does this rise to the level of perjury for the authors of the presentment?

Is it prosecutorial misconduct?

Is it grounds for dismissal of those Victim 2 charges?

Does it exonerate Joe Paterno, Tim Curley and Gary Schultz?

It is obvious that Mike McQueary would have been lying if he told them he SAW anal rape or any sex act because he could not see into the showers from the lockers.

This adds significant credence to the theory that the presentment is far from a Finding of FACT

Penn State supporters should be totally outraged.

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A fair summary of testimony accurately describing the words of witnesses?
7 votes
A biased and slanted distortion of testimony promoting the prosecutions point of view?
199 votes
Aurabass has stayed far too long and needs to stop filling up the FanPosts now?
8 votes

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I'll admit, I didn't read all of this

I’m loitering here in the hopes that we’ll get a scrap, a rumor, some innuendo, anything about the coaching search process. Where is Ben Jones?!?

"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13

by kijana's acl on Dec 13, 2011 5:04 PM EST reply actions  

Could not agree more.

Aurabass is always welcome here, as far as I am concerned. How many more fan posts until he earns an honarary Penn State degree?

by dontcallmescooter on Dec 13, 2011 8:13 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

The bottom line is you can't take the presentment as fact.

You so eloquently illustrated that the presentment is just the starting point for the full story. With so many motives in play, it is impossible to determine the intent of most of the presentment. Unfortunately, the media and public at large decided to take it at face value.

It is easy to go down into Hell; night and day, the gates of dark Death stand wide; but to climb back again, to retrace one's steps to the upper air - there's the rub, the task.

by Succss With Honor Always on Dec 13, 2011 5:57 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Keep On Posting, Aurabass

Your posts are providing hope to all PSU folks that maybe things are not as bad as they seem.

One question.

Can you imagine a scenario where Mike and Dr, Dranov are both telling the full truth?

Raised on Beatings, Second-Hand Smoke, and Liquor...I know nothing!

by joefromboalsburg on Dec 13, 2011 5:59 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Thanks JFB and yes

I can imagine that scenario

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by aurabass on Dec 13, 2011 6:30 PM EST up reply actions  

care to expand on that "yes"?

"God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy"

by NJ lion on Dec 13, 2011 10:19 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Happy to expand NJLion

It has been reported that MM signed a statement for the Grand Jury presentment that was worded like this

“I did not see insertion. I am certain that sexual acts like the young boy being sodomized was occurring.” He says the whole incident lasted about a minute.

We do not have a quote or Q&A from his Grand Jury testimony so this statement is as close as we have as a quote then Dr Dranov evidently testified this way:

McQueary heard “sex sounds” and the shower running, and a young boy stuck his head around the corner of the shower stall, peering at McQueary as an adult arm reached around his waist and pulled him back out of view. Seconds later, Sandusky left the shower in a towel.However, Dranov told grand jurors that he asked McQueary three times if he saw anything sexual, and three times McQueary said no,

These two versions are not that far apart so we need to see a transcript of his GJ testimony to see if it differs substantially from his written statement. If it does not he indicates he did not SEE insertion or the actual sex act but on the basis of the sounds he was sure there was a sex act.

I suggest that it is the prosecutors embellishment of MM’s testimony that had the GJ Presentment reading “He saw a naked boy with his hands on the shower wall being subjected to anal intercourse”
What if he saw the boy with his hands on the wall from the neck up and assumed the ‘anal intercourse’ from the noise he had heard but the wording of the presentment makes it appear he was seeing Sandusky naked with the naked boy when he only saw Sandusky as he left the shower room in a towel?

I think that makes a lot of logical sense

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by aurabass on Dec 13, 2011 11:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Another possibility.

Maybe the kid waited for the company to leave before really getting into gory details.

Maybe you don’t air your dirty laundry in ‘public’?

Maybe?

Time will tell.

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by joefromboalsburg on Dec 14, 2011 6:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm assuming

McQueary’s father also testified before the grand jury. We have no idea what he said. I’d be interested to know how many people were not included in the summary – we know at least Spanier, Bradley, Dranov and probably old man McQueary, and I’m sure there were others.

"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.

by OctaShields on Dec 14, 2011 6:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I would be at least a hundred people testified.

From PSU, 2nd mile, local police and child agencies. Past associates, neighbors, ect.

I just read.

by BMAN13 on Dec 15, 2011 7:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Interesting thought about Dr John McQueary

Makes it even more curious that the GJ would find his son Mike more credible than
Paterno
Dr Dranov
Dr McQueary
AD Tim Curley
VP Gary Schultz
and maybe Pres Spanier

I just find it very difficult to believe that even 12 of the 23 sat down in deliberation and thought among themselves that the wording of the presentment and the perjury charges were warranted if they actually stacked up the testimony of those 5 elder statesmen against an assistant football coach.

Something seems very fishy – like the prosecution hurrying to read the Victim 2 section and getting a 12 vote agreement at midnight when everyone was just trying to go home?

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by aurabass on Dec 15, 2011 9:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I really like reading these

especially b/c they help me point out to others their flaws in just listening to the reports on tv.

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by amandakt on Dec 13, 2011 7:08 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Thank you amandakt

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by aurabass on Dec 15, 2011 9:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice post, keep it up

I agree with mostly everything you put out there. It will be interesting with what happens on Friday, where actual competent attorneys will argue on behalf of actual competent people that there is not enough evidence to proceed to trial- a fact that Amendola seemed perplexed about this morning (ex. “I learned last night that I wouldn’t be able to question witness credibility” most PA attorneys learned that studying for the Bar)

One thing that keeps me up at night with this case, from the PSU perspective is that presumably Spanier and Schultz knew of the ’98 University Park investigation of Sandusky (not so much Joe or Curley). The mere report of inappropriate conduct with a child, even if “horseplay” should have brought more than an admonishment- at least the University contacting the child, right? I guess we have to wait to adequately answer that one.

by tzuker on Dec 13, 2011 7:23 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

"most PA attorneys learned that studying for the Bar"

To be fair, I learned a lot of crap-especially wills and real property-for the bar that I promptly forgot by 6 pm on the last day. Although that one does seem kind of important, especially for a criminal defense attorney

by 1LisHell on Dec 14, 2011 3:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Most appreciated tzuker

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by aurabass on Dec 15, 2011 9:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Ma most humble regards to you too sir.

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by aurabass on Dec 15, 2011 9:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Perhaps MM's testimony most "valid" as adult against adult to reinforce child

against adult? Defense might contend that the children are being coached and really don’t remember. That might work against younger-aged children in the years-ago instances, but not the boy in most recent Central Mountain HS situation.

Learned all I ever knew about grand jury presentments at BSD. Did know GJs are just to get indictments, etc. so charges can be made. Not being a general news junkie, I have been disheartened that even now, weeks later, the online comment columns are filled with junk about hate for PSU, and so-called “facts.” I didn’t find any explanation of presentment on the PennLive site. It just ran a Nov 6 "read the presentment’ link with no explanation a to how it is prepared, includes or leaves out. Maybe info was elsewhere, but not repeated over and over as other statements are.

Grand only means more members as opposed to petit (petty) juries, right?. I don’t think grand implies wonderful, but am glad to have escaped being called for one. 3times called for regular jury duty: 1 excused, 1 not picked, 1 picked (CA) and defendant convicted. For “jobless and elderly” you could also read “retired and mature” and maybe no more likely to be led than the young and immature. The AJ didn’t hold back on blaming PSU as the only reason JS was free to roam. Too many conspiracies to contemplate at this point.

by be4time on Dec 13, 2011 8:22 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Problem with the adult on adult is that MM can only reinforce Victim 2

which is unknown and possibly not a victim of molestation
MM is the key to the perjury charges

It’s taken me weeks to get a handle on how the GRAND jury works
and I had to dig it up with some helpful links on BSD

I realize the true meaning of GRAND in the context – it’s more of a play on words.
and I’m characterizing the members of the GRAND jury for similar effect.
but they are definitely not sages or law savvy wisemen and women.

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by aurabass on Dec 13, 2011 8:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Please stick around, aurabass

I’ve been checking in here regularly for the last few weeks (couldn’t comment due to a problem activating my account), and really appreciate your detailed and thoughtful analysis.

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring". ~Rogers Hornsby

by nps on Dec 13, 2011 8:40 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

You are too kind nps

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by aurabass on Dec 15, 2011 9:29 PM EST up reply actions  

OT sidenote

The Lady Vols are whipping your neighbors over at the State U of NJ by 10 points with a minute remaining on the hated ESPN netwerk

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by aurabass on Dec 13, 2011 8:52 PM EST reply actions  

Just a side note ... speaking of MM and the Lady Vols

You’all had a pretty good women’s B-ball player with the initials MM (no, not Marilyn Monroe). Believe it or not, I play golf with her brother. I have never met Michelle, but she still spends a lot of time in the Lehigh Valley. I don’t know if she actually lives here now.

I also think women’s sports (sorry Russ) should be coached by women. Call me a sexist. So, I will always keep UT women B-ball in higher regard than that “slimy school” in the relative vacinity to Bristol (not the Bristol in TN). Used to be a time the Lady Lions gave the Lady Vols a good run for their money. Damn sex scandal ruined that, too. Seems like we are getting closer again.

Keep up the good, thought provoking, work.

I used to be indecisive. Now I'm not sure.

by PaJoe on Dec 13, 2011 10:15 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

She was a Pennsylvania recruit who helped Pat win her fourth NC

Michelle Marciniak

As a floor general, Marciniak competed for two National Championships during her three year career at the University of Tennessee. Michelle led the Tennessee Lady Vols to their 4th National Championship and was named MVP in the 1996 Final Four held in Charlotte, NC.

an interesting note to her recruitment Pat was near full term in her pregnancy with son Tyler when she visited Michelle and she went into labor shortly after leaving Macungi PA. Pat refused to allow the pilot to land in Virginia saying her son had to be born in Tennessee. True Story

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by aurabass on Dec 13, 2011 11:33 PM EST up reply actions  

So Pat was "losing it" back then!

Sorry, that was a bad, sarcastic attempt at humor. I have always liked and respected Pat but know she is a real tough coach. I wish her well with her health.

My address is Macungie, PA. Macungie means Bear Swamp, or something like that, in the local Indian language.

I moved here in 1994, so Michelle had already left for Notre Dame (Pat didn’t get her right out of HS). So, I didn’t get to see her play at Allentown Central Catholic. Central is, year in, year out, a very strong, girl’s HS program (of course, they recruit just as hard, if not harder, than Notre Dame or Tennessee!). They have sent numerous players to Division 1 programs since I’ve been here.

I used to be indecisive. Now I'm not sure.

by PaJoe on Dec 14, 2011 8:45 AM EST up reply actions  

I used to live...

in Macungie.

11/9/11 - the day the music died.
The bitter with the better.

by Esteban d' Amur on Dec 14, 2011 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I go to macungie

sometimes. not a terrible little place. I like what they did with the old train station.

by FB6244 on Dec 14, 2011 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Bear Swamp Diner...

has a place in my heart.

11/9/11 - the day the music died.
The bitter with the better.

by Esteban d' Amur on Dec 14, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Only ate there once

Haven’t gone back, but I can see the charm

by FB6244 on Dec 14, 2011 9:17 PM EST up reply actions  

The Bear Swamp Diner

Doesn’t get much action, for a diner. The Emmaus Diner and the two Trivets stay much, much busier.

The “Macungie Pub” (a dive but cheap beer) was sold to Armettas and now called “Pub on Main”. They eliminated smoking, so the clientel has changed. They do have several “Theme Nights” that seem to draw. Used to go there for clams on Wednesday nights.

I used to be indecisive. Now I'm not sure.

by PaJoe on Dec 14, 2011 9:31 PM EST up reply actions  

The Emmaus Diner and..

Trivets are fine, but the Bear Swamp was a 2 minute ride. I had an interview at the Macungie Pub for a pool installation gig over the summer during college. Man was I bad at that job.

11/9/11 - the day the music died.
The bitter with the better.

by Esteban d' Amur on Dec 15, 2011 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

WOOO Lehigh Valley Shout out

I live in the area also. Whitehall/Coplay area.

Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose - Janis Joplin

by AriesGD on Dec 15, 2011 12:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Send a truck and a limo and I'm on my way

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by aurabass on Dec 13, 2011 9:16 PM EST up reply actions  

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by aurabass on Dec 13, 2011 9:17 PM EST up reply actions  

or

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by aurabass on Dec 13, 2011 9:18 PM EST reply actions  

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by aurabass on Dec 13, 2011 9:29 PM EST up reply actions  

The house shakes but it's on a major thoroughfare of businesses

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by aurabass on Dec 13, 2011 9:32 PM EST up reply actions  

thanks for the great article

i have been soending alot of time in tenn for work as of late and truly enyoy iu home and the vols.

There are times when a corps commander's life does not count.

by psu in the w-b on Dec 13, 2011 9:49 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Great read, aurabass

You mentioned that the presentment “is typically sealed until the prosecutor is ready to bring the recommended charges.” Can I assume the date it became available was a mistake? Is anyone investigating that?

by merc0312 on Dec 14, 2011 7:46 AM EST reply actions  

appreciate the kind comment merc0312

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by aurabass on Dec 15, 2011 9:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Hurry, Aurabass Kenobi, you're my only hope!!!!!

Please do not stop posting, you are keeping my hope in humanity alive with ever article. I think a lot of Penn Staters have been trying to make heads or tails out of a lot of this info, but of course, if we write an article like the one above we are defending child rape. It is so nice to see a level headed “outsider” that is also waiting for all the facts, and I for one am very thankful for your point of view!

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by wek5000lion09 on Dec 14, 2011 11:21 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

I am at your service wek5000lion09

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by aurabass on Dec 15, 2011 9:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Keep posting Aurabass

You’re making a Vols fan out of this lion.

by psuqban on Dec 14, 2011 12:19 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

The more Vol fans I can entice the better - thank you psuqban

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by aurabass on Dec 15, 2011 9:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Keep it up Aurabass

Great article and good comments. To me, it leads to the question of whether McQueary might have been coached. Of course, he could have flat out lied as well.

by OLDLIONofNYC on Dec 14, 2011 2:43 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I will OLDLIONof NYC

the coaching of McQueary seems quite plausible given his desire to help bring Sandusky down even if it made him look bad in the process. I think whatever he did he did it for the victims.

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by aurabass on Dec 15, 2011 9:34 PM EST up reply actions  

bass

I commented further, and I DO apologize. In my mind over the last few months, I was visualizing this incident taking place in the locker room area that I was familiar with.

It truly just dawned on me, that this may have taken place in a more private coaches / GA shower area that I am not familiar with.

I simply don’t know.

Again, I really do appreciate your enthusiasm here in recent weeks and share the sentiment of all posters here.

"my dad says Michigan used to be good"

by hbeach08 on Dec 14, 2011 2:44 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Just to clarify -

Do you know that there is a separate coaches’ locker room? …or you’re just saying there might be one?

It seems like they’d have to have their own locker room if they don’t have spaces assigned in the players’ room.

I’ll tell you why. Because we’re talking about Joe Freaking Paterno here.
-Jitterbug

by leeharvey418 on Dec 14, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

well, I used that building for a full season and offseason

and never saw the coaches showering in that room

so they’re either really dirty, or they have their own shower :)

I’m being a smartass, yes, they have their own shower / lockerroom. They did at the old building too

"my dad says Michigan used to be good"

by hbeach08 on Dec 14, 2011 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Have you seen this video?

Link to Videos
Psf.com Video Vault
Click on ALL
then click the right > several times to find video on bottom left called The "S"
good perspective of the locker room but no shots toward the showers.

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by aurabass on Dec 15, 2011 9:19 PM EST up reply actions  

That does change things.

However, as leeharvey pointed out below, we have to find out if there is a separate coaches’ locker room.

by OLDLIONofNYC on Dec 14, 2011 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Mike McQueary was a graduate assistant at the time of the incident

and part of Sandusky’s grooming procedure was to give his boys the experience of pretending to be PSU football players. That is why he used the same locker room and showers as the players. We do not know if there is a separate “coaches locker room & showers” but I know I read somewhere that McQueary’s locker was in a section of the main football players locker room.

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by aurabass on Dec 14, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

The statements of Dr. Dranov M.D. fit with your description

Dranov said McQueary told him he saw the head of the young boy stick out from the shower area before being pulled back by an adult arm. Then Sandusky came out with a towel.
That would fit with the toweling area and around the corner you describe.

It also fits with MIke’s written statement about hearing the sexual noises but never seeing penetration.
I think it has been well established that he did not eye witness rape or any sex act. He thinks he ear witnessed the sex but never saw Sandusky and the boy in any observable sex act.

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by aurabass on Dec 14, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

True story. I just picked up my daughter from college this afternoon.

I went down the hall to the men’s section and went into the men’s shower room to take a leak. There were three , private, single person, shower stalls. There was a man (or maybe woman? or actually maybe both? :-), in a single shower stall with the curtain drawn. I never saw anybody. However, he/she/them/it was making what sounded like “slapping” type sounds! Dear Abby…Should I have called the cops?

Please don’t report me. I did my business, washed my hands and left the shower room. I did not do more. Should I have?

I used to be indecisive. Now I'm not sure.

by PaJoe on Dec 14, 2011 10:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Call ESPN, they will tell you what you were supposed to do.

Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose - Janis Joplin

by AriesGD on Dec 15, 2011 12:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Quite honestly...

It wasn’t steamy, he wasn’t singing, whistling or talking or anything. I just heard those slapping, squishing types of noises. I probably wouldn’t have even had a second thought about it except for what has been reported over the last month. Scary.

When all this broke six weeks ago, I initially envisioned a “communal” shower for like 10-20 athletes. But my experience yesterday was probably more what MM experienced. Small room, several sinks, a few commodes in stalls and a few “private” (normally, one person) shower stalls. Possibly with curtains!

I used to be indecisive. Now I'm not sure.

by PaJoe on Dec 15, 2011 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Think of it this way also

Your in a dorm hall. Dorms generally have 2 people living in them, meaning less privacy. You went to the mens room, the dude might have been taking care of some business if you know what I mean. I lived in dorms for 2 years, and that stuff, I heard never experienced it, is common.

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by AriesGD on Dec 15, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

OK, get your drift.

I used to be indecisive. Now I'm not sure.

by PaJoe on Dec 15, 2011 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Interesting post, but...

I really think you ought to stay away from insinuating that the lack of direct PSU ties on the part of Gov. Corbett or AG Kelly, or anti-PSU grudges that may or may not be held by them, played any real role in this. And really, you think this is about the budget battle? C’mon… There are plenty of other things that have factual basis (or at least appear to have factual basis) that lead to new questions about the information contained in the GJ presentment, you don’t need to wade into those unprovable aspersions that have no evidence backing them. And remember, the AG office was not out to get Paterno — AG Kelly in fact praised Paterno for what he did in relation to this case. So yes, we need to remember that the GJ presentment is not gospel truth, and we need to wait for the facts to come out at trial, and then try to sort out the differing testimony to try to discern what the truth is.

Let's Go State!

by Gopher Broke on Dec 14, 2011 2:46 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

The problem with your proposal is the reality of the current situation

the media and the public have already formed unfavorable opinions on the basis of the Grand Jury Presentment. One deterrent to acceptance of their narrative is to offer plausible alternative theories of the case. Corbett jumped into this situation with both feet claiming that Mike McQueary was to blame for not stopping Sandusky – he says “Mike McQueary failed his moral obligation”

And while the AG Kelley may not have intended to see Joe Paterno reviled and fired it was the work of her office with the Grand Jury Prsentment – they wrote it after all and they presented the testimony the way they wanted it presented – that put Joe Paterno in this situation with McQueary. These are facts that I cannot ignore. The AG gave her ’praise" after she let the horse out of the barn and has done little more to right the wrong she caused him.

Since the Governor by his words and the AG by the actions of her office have cast aspersions on Mike and Joe, I have no problem returning the favor in a far less impactful way.

And of course we should not rush to judgment – I devote a paragraph to that in the fanpost. Unlike the Governor or the AG I am not making judgments or approving documents that have real consequences. I am simply raising questions.

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by aurabass on Dec 14, 2011 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

This definitely isn’t a rush to judgement:

New information about the design of the locker room if true shows that the summarization of the McQueary testimony is a flat out LIE

by M1EK on Dec 14, 2011 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

You wouldn't know one if you saw one sadly

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by aurabass on Dec 14, 2011 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

No clue as to what "IF TRUE" means?

I didn’t think so

New information about the design of the locker room if true shows that the summarization of the McQueary testimony is a flat out LIE

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by aurabass on Dec 14, 2011 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Inflammatory rhetoric

there’s always an implied “if true”. But “LIE” is another level. You’ve also omitted the “if true” in other threads here.

by M1EK on Dec 14, 2011 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

For instance
Wow just WOW – you realize this makes the GJ Report a LIE?

by M1EK on Dec 14, 2011 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Why certainly I realize it makes the GJ report a lie

of course I’ve realized that parts of the GJ report were lies from the beginning
That’s the nature of a one sided summary of allegations.

Most intelligent beings conversant with legal proceedings know this.
and since you are neither it is understandable and actually a welcome thing that I am blessed to be on opposite sides of these issues. I would be very concerned if we were in agreement and would have to look very carefully at my position.

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by aurabass on Dec 14, 2011 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

So you yield on your claim, then?

Or do you lack the guts to admit when you were proven wrong? Two levels up, you said "No clue as to what “IF TRUE” means?".

by M1EK on Dec 15, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

YAWN - only worthy of a copy and paste
1. I do not have a negative opinion, overall, of Paterno. In fact, the reason I wanted him to resign was so the good parts of his legacy could be walled off from this nightmare.

This isn’t about JoePa and his legacy for many – including me. This is about the actions of the Prosecution – who created a demonstrably false impression of the events of March 1, 2002.

This is about the Media Frenzy created by a gullible intentionally obtuse majority of writers and broadcasters who drummed this woefully inadequate and demonstrably false "Finding of Fact" into the minds of their readers and viewers.

The fact that you have been completely incapable of acknowledging that difference is clear enough evidence of your total acceptance of the prosecutions grand jury presentment as pure fact.

The claim that you want to "wall off his legacy from this nightmare"? Just how stupid do you think we are? Well the answer to that is that we aren’t buying it or you.
That presents you and your view as obtuse, gullible and far far less than intelligent or thoughtful. So woefully few of the participants on these threads buy yours and the prosecutions summary of the McQueary testimony that is is totally laughable and pathetic for you to make such absurdly self-congratulatory clams as:

2. The others with the same opinion as me of Paterno have largely stopped participating in this site. I am the only one with this opinion of Paterno who pushes it half as vigorously as those who defend him are doing. Note, half.

I have not seen anyone rushing to your assistance and I’ve read almost every post made here in the past few weeks.
It’s difficult to imagine what kind of mind can keep coming back for the abuse and contempt you face here constantly. You could likely use the services of some dark dominatrix with a very large whip and chains. In the annals of cyber self-abuse I’ve witnessed over the years you take the cake for encouraging disdain and scorn. It’s like rubber necking a fatal accident – watching your flailing insanity exhibited in public. You seem to have ZERO self-respect and you certainly do not respect the views of others.

What a sad pathetic and contemptuous place to be. It would be easy to feel sorry for you if you did not continue to bring this on yourself with such dogged determination. Then again this may all be some sick game that amuses a deviant mind. No matter it is of little consequence to anyone.

The real consequences are being suffered by Joe Mike and PSU based on a cooked and well baked LIE stated as a Finding of Fact and disseminated relentlessly by the Media.

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by aurabass on Dec 15, 2011 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

No clue as to what “IF TRUE” means?

versus

Wow just WOW – you realize this makes the GJ Report a LIE?

by M1EK on Dec 16, 2011 9:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Dont you have a crappy web site to work on or something?

"I’m not a lawyer, but I read a lot of BSD" - psuphysicist

by The Heel on Dec 15, 2011 12:04 AM EST up reply actions  

My post above is a reply to M1EK.

"I’m not a lawyer, but I read a lot of BSD" - psuphysicist

by The Heel on Dec 15, 2011 12:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Well you certainly know inflammatory Homer

You have inflamed a huge percentage of BSD participants against you and your idiotic spasms of illogical statements demonstrating a capacity for self-abuse that is staggering.
You make it so easy to imagine and picture your condition

It seems you need a

to satisfy your desire for self-abuse and the need to be mercilessly whipped and reviled.

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by aurabass on Dec 15, 2011 6:01 PM EST up reply actions  

She isn't related or anything?

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by aurabass on Dec 15, 2011 9:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think the AG had it in for Joe,

but I think it is a real possibility that she trumped up the charges against the PSU brass and was too stupid to realize she would take down Joe at the same time.

by Btd121 on Dec 14, 2011 7:51 PM EST up reply actions  

She wasn't stupid.

She tried to praise Joe and keep him above scrutiny. Unfortunately, everybody on the outside jumped to the conclusion that Joe knew everything and was the kingpin of a cover-up to save the football program.

I used to be indecisive. Now I'm not sure.

by PaJoe on Dec 14, 2011 10:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe not "stupid" but quite unaware

if she thought the characterization used in the GJ Report was not going to make Mike McQueary sound like a cowardly fool and cast some aspersions on Paterno’s actions.

It would have been quite easy for her to make a substantial public apology to Mike and Joe by holding a presser to acknowledge that the GJ report was a summary with one thing in mind and that people should NOT take it a anything like the complete story.
She did not have the good sense and fairness to do even that.

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by aurabass on Dec 15, 2011 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll forgive her if she does it after the trial...

Noonan is still an ass in my book, though.

I’ll tell you why. Because we’re talking about Joe Freaking Paterno here.
-Jitterbug

by leeharvey418 on Dec 15, 2011 5:25 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

ass

is a nicer word than i would use.

by FB6244 on Dec 15, 2011 8:27 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Aurabass

Definitely stick around and continue to share your thoughts. I have not been an active participant in these threads. All of this has me pretty well drained, and I can only talk/think/write about it so much. But I do read and enjoy everything you post. As I’ve said before, perhaps we’ll eventually get back to talking sports on here, and I’ll be interested to talk some football with you too.

Incidentally, everyone I have ever met who went to UT-Knoxville has been been outspoken and opinionated – but in a GOOD way, not obnoxious or rude, just carrying themselves with a sort of confidence and willingness to speak up. I know only a handful of Tenn grads, but I’m wondering if this is something for which you folks are known?

The depth of both my sadness and anger is unfathomable.

We (Still) Are...

by PSU_Buch on Dec 15, 2011 8:24 AM EST reply actions  

I agree...

I’m interested in his takes on Lane Kiffin, Peyton Manning, Florida, Urbz, The Ol" Ball Coach, Majors, Fulmer, PSU-Tenn. bowl games, Clay Travis, Pat Summit, UConn Women’s Bball, etc.

11/9/11 - the day the music died.
The bitter with the better.

by Esteban d' Amur on Dec 15, 2011 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow - you don't ask for much eh?

How about choosing one or two?
I’ve already devoted a few days to BSD and I do have a life even if it does not seem like it.
;-) lol

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by aurabass on Dec 15, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Sure..

which ever one or two you want

11/9/11 - the day the music died.
The bitter with the better.

by Esteban d' Amur on Dec 16, 2011 8:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Your comments are far too kind PSU_Buch - and most appreciated

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by aurabass on Dec 15, 2011 9:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Tomorrow's hearing will be very interesting

Check out this story and the Harrisburg criminal attorney’s prediction
Will Mike McQueary’s Story Stand Up in Court?

Sara Gamim will be on hand in court to report via tweet and the Patriot News site on the proceedings by 9am

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by aurabass on Dec 15, 2011 9:15 PM EST reply actions  

The Media indicted in no uncertain terms

Skip this if you found the Fanshot or the other post.
To be found in Dr. Jonathan Dranov puts final nail in media coffin regarding Joe Paterno. at least some people out there are truly paying attention and getting it. – a few choice quotes.

No one knows if Joe Paterno will sue Sean Gregory, Time Magazine, Jason Whitlock at Foxsports.com, Jemele Hill, the Philadelphia Daily News and almost every commentator covering college football at ESPN for libel and defamation.

Based on McQueary’s answers Dr. Dranov advised him not to go to the police but to report what he saw to Joe Paterno. For the record the Philadelphia Daily News has not run a picture of Dr. Dranov on the front page with the word "Shame". And Jay Bilas at ESPN has not demanded that Dr. Dranov lose his license for "failing to do enough". And I have not heard Stuart Scott on ESPN say of Dr. Dranov, "doesn’t he get it"?

And among those that need to do the soul searching are the Penn State trustees and two U.S. senators from Pennsylvania.

Paterno was the media cash cow in all this. His name and picture were seen more than twice as much as Jerry Sandusky’s. He became the story and all as a result of of incompetence, dishonesty and greed and of course the phony facade of protecting children

In Joe Paterno’s case we saw journalists like Sean Gregory at Time magazine, Jason Whitlock, Jemele Hill and others report as fact things they knew for a fact they didn’t know, and then pontificate about these things, for the sake of a big story as if they inhabited some delusional moral high ground. This time it was Joe Paterno who suffered the consequences.

The media will not hold politicans accountable for anything if they think it’s not in their self interest.and when it comes to government accountablity, self interest for the media is money and access. And they wont endanger either one. For anything.

Committing immoral acts in the name of morality is nothing new. It’s what mobs do whether its the Salem Witch Trials or the modern day news media. The media do it all the time.

The bigger problem is the media’s lack of standards which is on display every day whether its politics or policy or "scandals" that arent really scandals. They will inflate anything they think will bring in a bigger audience and generate more revenue even if they have to diminsh and set aside the things that really matter. They are afraid to report the truth about anything if they think it will cause a backlash that will hurt their bottom line. But they will lie and distort if they think it will make money and they can get away with it. And with the lies they told about Joe Paterno, they believed, in their uniquely sanctimonious way, they could get away with it

The out of control, dishonest media frenzy involving Joe Paterno was as much an abuse of the first amendment as Sandusky’s alleged abuse of children. And just as vile. And unfortunately for the country a lot more frequent. But maybe this time, if enough people get angry, it will be time for some real accountablity for the news media and there will be demands that wrongs and injustices be made right.

A libel and defamation suit by Joe Paterno against certain news outlets would be absolutely patriotic. But that is solely for Joe Paterno and his family and his lawyers to decide. But there are other things people can do if they are outraged enough to demand accountability.

Yes there is a fanshot on this an another post but I want it here too.

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by aurabass on Dec 15, 2011 10:25 PM EST reply actions  

Curley and Schultz lawyers send and interesting letter

See it online here

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by aurabass on Dec 16, 2011 7:40 AM EST reply actions  

This letter can be found at the Curley/Schultz lawyers website

I posted a fanshot way early this am or very late last night

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by aurabass on Dec 16, 2011 7:46 AM EST up reply actions  

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