Penn State Reportedly Focusing On Chris Petersen
by Kevin Powers on Dec 24, 2011 1:34 PM EST
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David Jones cites two sources that claim BSD-profiled and Boise State head coach Chris Peterson is 1A on the Penn State search committee's list. For all his connections, Jones is both in the dark and honest about not having a clue what the status of the conversation is. Peterson and Boise State just destroyed Arizona last night, and the end of their 2011 campaign could potentially open the door for some actual news on this front, of which we've had nothing except an admission that the school is in fact looking for a coach.
SI has your overall record, along with obligatory comment about the program being buried:
Under Petersen, previously little-heralded Boise State has gone 73-6 in five years, and finished the 2011 season ranked seventh in the BCS standings. But Petersen has no notable ties to Penn State, and - aside from this reported persistence on Penn State's behalf - there is little reason to assume that he would join a program currently mired in the Jerry Sandusky sexual abuse scandal.
But then again, for a candied totally unconnected to the scandal, why assume anything at all, SI? One Bronco Nation Under God seems both concerned and condescending in just three sentences, as part of their first look ahead to 2012:
Will Coach Pete be around?
Of course he will! /nervous laughter
The concern would come during the NFL's annual coach purge should someone like Oregon's Chip Kelly get a job in the pros. For the time being, there are no other jobs that Coach Pete seems interested in taking, so save your breath, Penn State.
David Jones's comment about two trips suggest two potential realities, that (1) He is in fact interested, thus justifying the jet fuel, or (2) the committee is desperate to get him. Either way, being the only school/team told by OBNUG to "save your breath" suggests the rumors are registering with Peterson's current fanbase.
There's also this added bonus for Penn State: He'd be a cheap steal. Peterson's current compensation is just $1.52MM per year with some modest BCS bonuses. Compare that with this lackluster list...
1. Kirk Ferentz, Iowa: $3.785 million (5)
2. Brady Hoke, Michigan: $3.254 million (8)
3. Bo Pelini, Nebraska: $2.775 million (13)
4. Bret Bielema, Wisconsin: $2,598,186 (17)
5. Mark Dantonio Michigan State: $1.918 million (34)
6. Ron Zook, Illinois: $1.755 million (39)
7. Jerry Kill, Minnesota: $1.7 million (42)
8. Kevin Wilson, Indiana: $1.26 million (56)
9. Pat Fitzgerald, Northwestern: $1,189,961 (58)
10. Luke Fickell, Ohio State: $1.172 million (59) [Outdated, obviously. Meyer is the top paid B1G coach at $4MM. -ed]
11. Joe Paterno, Penn State: $1,022,794 (64)
12. Danny Hope, Purdue: $925,000 (65)
...and Peterson is modestly paid, even by penny-pinching Big Ten standards. Penn State still has the cash, remember, and can easily justify a $3-$4.5MM salary despite the rhetoric during the Paterno Era. Then again, Peterson turned down a $4MM offer from UCLA, despite reports he's fond of California and the common sense assumption that he likes money.
But there's a wild card in play (from Jones above):
As for the positives in Penn State's corner, Petersen is known to value the open space of Idaho and the ability to drive 20 minutes to fish. That's one major reason he would not consider living in Los Angeles.
If fishing is a "major reason" for anything, I can only refer Peterson to this, and assure him there are extra fly rods in the rec building. Could being Too Country become Penn State's saving grace?
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This morning's totally scientific stats about Penn State losing long-term income in the $30MM range would be largely mitigated with a good hire. Jones cites the current list like so: 1a. BSU head coach Chris Petersen, 1b. Tennessee Titans head coach Mike Munchak, 2a. Duke head coach David Cutcliffe, 2b Wake Forest head coach Jim Grobe. I'm not sure all of those qualify.
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I would really like to see CP at Penn State
I think the guy is an amazing coach and would be able to give us a good start in leaving the pain behind while he can silence all the BCS haters by taking the reins of a major program. Best of luck to us and him.
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by TheMightyErik on Dec 24, 2011 1:44 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Supposedly had a second interview with the committee via Skype.
(not a JoePa Skype joke.)
by Chris Grovich on Dec 24, 2011 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
Clements should be on Jones' list
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Where there is smoke, there is fire?
I’m all in on Petersen especially since Jones mentions that Grobe and Cutcliffe are the backup plans.
Because of his work with QB's?
Or what he’s done with Duke? I honestly haven’t followed him too much to know a lot about him. Just know that he is older and not sure how much Duke has improved while he’s been there. (Yes, I know….it’s Duke)
Limited Upside
What is the upside with coaches like Cutliffe and Grobe — 8-4 at best? I’d rather roll the dice with an unknown like Clements.
For some reason, I think if Munchak comes here, Clements is the OC
As far as recruiting goes, that’s next to impossible to beat. As far as coaching goes, it’s an unknown.
Petersen would bring in Brent Pease, one of the nations top OC’s. Basically, I’d give Petersen a slight edge to coaching, and Munchak a slight edge to recruiting. Pick your poison.
At the moment, I’d take Munchak. Either works
Some guy at Penn State Hershey just discovered a virus that eats cancer. Where were the CNN trucks for that? Now Someone at PSU found something that could cure Leukemia. Coverage? None. THON will probably break $10 mil this year. Put that on "Outside the Lines" you sanctimonious pricks!
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I'm gonna rec you
…just for your sig line.
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by PSUPhD90 on Dec 24, 2011 10:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Also, Jones just said Petersen has "made it known" he isn't interested in PSU and Vandy isn't going to Maryland
He doesn’t even put in “According to sources” though, so I dunno.
Some guy at Penn State Hershey just discovered a virus that eats cancer. Where were the CNN trucks for that? Now Someone at PSU found something that could cure Leukemia. Coverage? None. THON will probably break $10 mil this year. Put that on "Outside the Lines" you sanctimonious pricks!
by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Dec 24, 2011 2:33 PM EST reply actions
Didnt Boise play 2 nights ago?
It was just replayed last night. Devon Still commented on the game last night like it was the first time being shown.
Just shows how “big” of a bowl game the LV bowl is.
I like the 20 votes for No thanks
Is that in regards to Petersen and the other choices? Or are they just not in favor of hiring a coach?
The "no thanks" votes are probably coming from people like me
who want to see Bradley named the next coach.
And yes I’d choose Bradley over Chris Petersen. Boise a good team, and yes they’ve been screwed out of a couple big bowl appearences, but if they played a Pac-12 schedule they’d be 5-4 or 6-3 most years. So I won’t get real excited even if by longshot he does end up here.
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by Joe 96alum on Dec 24, 2011 4:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
They'd be 5-4 or 6-3 with their current players
but in a bigger league and/or bigger name program, he’d be getting “better” players. He gets so much out of 2-3 stars, imagine if he had more of a stockpile?
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If they played a Pac-12 schedule
They’d be 11-1 or 10-2 instead of 12-0 or 11-1 most years. Did you see them just dismantle Arizona State? Oh, and they beat Oregon 2 years ago. They’re legit, I haven’t bought the “they don’t play anyone” argument about Boise State for about 3 years now.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
The problem is that they do not play big boy football consistently…they only have to get up for it occasionally.
They're still really good
I think this year, they’d have maybe lost to Oregon and possibly USC (who was very inconsistent, but capable of beating anyone when “on”) and they’d have smoked every other team in the Pac-12.
Here is something. A list of teams Boise State has played since 2008:
- @ #17 Oregon, W (37-32)
- #11 TCU, L (17-16) – Poinsettia Bowl
- #16 Oregon, W (19-8)
- #4 TCU, W (17-10) – Fiesta Bowl
- #10 VaTech, W (33-30) (neutral location)
- #24 Oregon State, W (37-24)
- @ #19 Nevada, L (34-31 OT)
- #19 Utah, W (26-3) – Las Vegas Bowl
- @ #19 Georgia, W (35-21)
- TCU, L (36-35)
- Arizona State, W (56-24) – Las Vegas Bowl
That’s 8-3 against top competition. They’re 4-0 against Oregon, VTech and Georgia and regularly stomp mid-conference Pac-12 teams like Oregon State, ASU and Utah.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
I forgot to mention Stanford
I think they’d have taken 1 of 2 from Stanford and USC, personally.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
Not really disagreeing with any of that.
But there seems to be an assumption that Petersen’s 0 and 1 loss records at Boise will translate into 0 and 1 loss records in a bigger conference and I don’t think that would be the case.
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I doubt it will.
Playing & beating real teams occasionally is a different animal from having to do it every week.
I don't think anyone has said they'd have the same records
but to assume they would have had any more than 3 losses in any of the last 4 years is equally as ridiculous. I think they’d have had 1 to 3 losses most years and made probably 2 BCS Bowls anyway.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
It translated well
For that other guy urban m leaving that area of country for a major east coast program.
Well Urban had a 5 loss team in 2010
and a 4 loss team in 2007. But the ones in between were pretty good
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eh, last year's Utah team was definitely overrated.
They were MASSACRED by TCU in Rice-Eccles Stadium. As in, it was so bad you wanted CBSSports to flip AWAY from the game because Utah was just getting nothing right all game long,
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Dec 24, 2011 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
And how good was TCU?
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by OctaShields on Dec 24, 2011 10:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Legitimate top-15 teams don't lose by 40 points at home.
They. Simply. Don’t.
As for the TCU affair: AQ clause be damned, they should never have been in Pasadena.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Dec 25, 2011 12:39 AM EST up reply actions
Well, they weren't a top-15 team
But they didn’t suck. But I’m really not sure why you picked one win on a list with 8 to pick nits over. I mean Boise State WON, and it’s not the foundation of the argument, so we’re both not lying.
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I used to be a guy who didn't care if Bradley got the job after Joe retired
I wanted them to look around, but would have been fine with TB as the next coach. I thought that we should have routed O$U and, obviously, everything was pretty terrible about the Wisconsin game. I can’t judge the Nebraska game given the circumstances (one week post bomb shells), but the team was thoroughly unprepared for and outclassed in a playoff game. I can’t believe the guys gets so much unconditional support for doing an a thoroughly mediocre job in his audition.
I like Petersen and pretty much nobody else gets me excited, but I will support and eventually get excited about whomever they hire. Just no Tom Bradley, please.
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by kijana's acl on Dec 24, 2011 8:59 PM EST up reply actions
Breaking news: Penn State interested in Chris Petersen
More Breaking News: I’m interested in Scarlett Johansson. David Jones’s sources say a deal is close to being made. Video below.
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by skarocksoi on Dec 24, 2011 2:47 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
you should have seen the other gif I passed over
thought it might have been a little too much. But oh my.
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Don't worry, Boise. I'm not holding my breath
And welcome to a AQ conference, one where a school like West Virginia BAILED on. Big East ain’t gonna go bowling for long.
There’s a lot of talk of removing the AQ for everyone, I wouldnt be surprised at all if that happens quickly.
by Kevin Powers on Dec 24, 2011 3:31 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Yeah, that way every SEC school gets in.
by Mr. Rosewater on Dec 24, 2011 3:49 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I thought the same thing earlier.
Apparently we are the only ones who think this is golden.
You never know where these things are going to end up.
Remember Meyer saying “our quarterbacks” during the Iowa game, and now he’s a Fuckeye.
I think if the pot is sweetened enough, Petersen takes a chance, and here’s why: I think Petersen has to be sick to death of getting screwed by the current system at Boise State. Petersen has done great things there, but the Broncos are not a “Name” program. Regardless of this scandal, we are. If Petersen comes here, no way is an undefeated Penn State passed over for a MNC game over a 1-loss team, even if it’s a fucking SEC team. It won’t happen. This is Petersen’s chance to run with the big dogs.
Two messages for Petersen if he comes here:
1. If you want to fish, go to Spruce Creek. President Jimmy Carter went out of his way to fish there, so you know it has to be good. Better than fishing in UCLA or USC.
2. Please, oh please, keep Larry Johnson and Ron Vanderlinden. You have my blessing to can everybody else.
by Ab4PSU on Dec 24, 2011 4:17 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Now David Jones just wrote another article saying
that Petersen isn’t interested and Vanderlinen isn’t going to Maryland. Awesome.
Jones is lost
Seems like he is just throwing names out there and seeing what sticks at this point. Take it with a grain of salt.
what does Jones mean
“has made it known” ??? Everything
is so vague, I have no idea what to make of any of this.
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by bigs26 on Dec 24, 2011 5:14 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
If Mike Munchak came here
we’d be hiring a coach who left his head coaching position after one year. Aren’t we making fun of Arizona State for the same thing?
Joe Paterno Apologist
Yeah, and it's better to be ASU than Pitt in that story
even if the coach is a tool.
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by kijana's acl on Dec 24, 2011 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
Didn't Al Groh do the same thing for his alma mater?
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by kijana's acl on Dec 24, 2011 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
Much to the regret of Virginia fans over the course of 2008-09, yes...
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Dec 25, 2011 12:40 AM EST up reply actions
if its so funny
Why aint I a laughin
by psualum9931 on Dec 25, 2011 10:39 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Munchak has PSU ties
unlike Graham who got up and left to go to a random program after one year. If Munchak leaves the Titans after a year it’s totally different than Graham or even Petrino since Munchak was a captain fir Paterno and might feel a sense of duty to return to Penn State.
Why does he need a source?
He’s adamant.
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by kijana's acl on Dec 26, 2011 9:24 PM EST up reply actions
It's totally different
Because Graham was an outside hire who I think contacted Pitt about the job, got an interview and then started immediately talking about doing things the Pitt way or whatever. They wouldn’t have hired him if they knew he was going to pull anything like this. Munchak, on the other hand, was promoted from within the organization. Totally different situation. If he’d have failed horribly, he’d have been fired as if he were one step above an interim. Graham would have been given at least 3 years to prove what he could .
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
Petersen looks conspicuously like Senator Geary in that picture
There are too many dead hooker skeletons in his closet for him to come to Penn State right now.
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by ReadingRambler on Dec 24, 2011 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
To celebrate the 25th Anniversary of my favorite magazine article
I’ll read this tonight to the kids as we go to sleep waiting for Santa Claus. Maybe we’ll wake up to find out it was all a dream.
As I look at this old issue, two funny things pop out… there’s a barcode on the front, and there’s a Kent cigarette ad on the back.
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by Smee on Dec 24, 2011 9:44 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
i used to read "word up magazine"
also: i am xmas buzzed
happy holidays yall
later
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If we really fork our $3-$4 million
then they better get that PR/spin-doctor firm out of hiding and make them earn their keep. We need to be on the offensive with the PR game, because the media is gong to continue to skewer PSU any way they can.
As proof just saw on the ESPN8 – “Paterno Family Hates Animals – indications are that backyard bird feeders were not filled on Christmas morning. Film at 11.”
Fishing in Happy Valley
Can you even fish in Happy Valley anymore? My fishing career was destroyed when Spring Creek was contaminated with kepone (sp?) – Thanks Nease Chemical!!! Not sure if that is “cleaned up yet.” So if Spring Creek is not an option, where to go?
wow, it's been a long time since you've been to the area...
Spring creek is now a no kill stream with a naturally reproducing population. Great fishing.g. Part of the problem with PA’s trout stream management is the fish commission’s stocking practices. Spring creek is one example of how we would be better off without stocking altogether.
by rodney20 on Dec 25, 2011 9:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
what about collier lake?
do people still fish there? my grandfather used to take me there to fish whenever we’d visit…ah, nostalgia…
i come here for the discussions....but i stay for the simpsons references...
i think so...
It’s mostly a warm fishery. I have never fished it, but I think it’s still a viable little bass lake.
I prefer to stream fish. The central part of the state from Maryland to New York is like a huge playground for me. Peterson would find it different from fishing western streams…different, but not in a bad way. He’d be trading the seclusion of the western streams for the accessibilty of the PA streams…cutthroats of the west for the brookies of PA…different, but still a lot of decent fishing. And there are a good bit of catch and release waters to get away from the “kill em all” anglers that you find in the first two weeks or so.
by rodney20 on Dec 26, 2011 11:38 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
My family has a camp in Lamar, which is 20 minutes from State College.
And the stream it sits on is a state run catch and release fly fishing stream. No live bait is allowed and no fish can be kept under 14 inches. I would gladly throw in the family camp it brought Peterson to PSU.
BTW would this qualify me as a booster?
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by carolinaeasy on Dec 26, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
Would that be Fishing Creek?
Great stream. I’d have a hard time thowing in the entire camp…maybe just give him a time share. I’m thinking that would make you a booster.
Seriously though, Centre County and the surrounding areas have a ton of great trout streams. Clinton County is probably one of my favorite counties to fish in the state. And Peterson wouldn’t have to worry about being eaten by 700 pound grizzlies. Bonus.
David Jone is a hack
He has unnamed sources, quoted Petersen even when Petersen has not made an official statement rejecting PSU. It’s been three weeks that Petersen has been on PSU’s watch list and somehow this hack in Harrisburg has the inside track on what someone is thinking in Idaho. And he is so credible with his unnamed sources and supposed first hand quotes from Petersen that NBC CBS SI and ESPN have all cited his article. Wow! That is journalistic integrity there folks.
by PSUinOH on Dec 26, 2011 12:57 PM EST via mobile reply actions
He also bit on the Wikipedia stunt we pulled
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by carolinaeasy on Dec 26, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Dear Moderator:
Please stop citing David Jones, Ron Musselman, and Cory Giger. How many times do these guys have to be completely of target for us to figure out to not pay attention to them. I have personally stopped linking to any of their articles.
I urge everyone here to do the same.
by PSUinOH on Dec 26, 2011 1:02 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I just don't see it...
I find it hard to believe a coach of his caliber wouldn’t be interested in coaching in the B1G. Is he satisfied being in a system where he knows he will win 11+ games a year against average talent? I would like to think that he would be interested in taking an excellent challenge and go up against some above average/ excellent coaches. Would he have come if Urban didn’t go to tOSU? Boise State gets no credibilty despite a 90% winning percentage. If he loses once in the Big Easy, the question marks will be raised up again. I have nothing against Boise but why would a man of his caliber be satisfied being there? Penn State is definitely a much bigger and better challenge. Is he really waiting for the Texas?
Taking an excellent challenge?
A. The B1G isn’t exactly elite. It’s better than Petersen faces week in and week out right now, but not enough to eclipse the “challenge” he is already undertaking.
B. Penn St. hasn’t been that great for a while now and is in an unfortunate, but obvious, dilemma.
C. B1G coaching is about to receive an update to 21st century football in the form of Urban Meyer steamrolling his way to victory once he can get past tOSU’s problems. I’d rather see Penn St. be that team than the stinking Buckeyes, but it is what it is.
D. Petersen coached for a year at Pitt a while back. He’s on record as saying it felt like being on Mars when referring to East Coast culture. I’m from the East Coast and have no issues with it but Petersen obviously does.
E. Your about the billionth fan that has thought a bigger paycheck would be the primary means to lure Petersen away and the billionth fan to be wrong.
F. I don’t care how bad things are at your University, if your in the Big 10 then the “challenge” doesn’t hold a candle to what Petersen has right now.
Right now he’s knocking off some pretty good teams with a roster full of 2-3 star recruits and a few 4’s, a shoestring budget about 1/16th the size of tOSU, and a location that is under equipped and isolated from most of the nation. He has built his own house from the floor up on nothing but guts and gameplans. He’s found winners that were underrated and developed them into titans. The program he built is now on the verge of being a powerhouse program and he hasn’t even caught a glimpse of the ceiling yet. Every recruiting year is better than the last, the stadium is getting expanded, new facilities are being put in, the community absolutely adores him, a highly forgiving local press corp, and the program is about to quadruple its income at least.
Bronco fans were sweating bullets over Stanford until he turned them down. Arizona, Arizona St., UCLA, and Penn St. never even made us flinch.
This quote from OBNUG, Boise St.’s SB Nation fan site, pretty much sums up how the Bronco Faithful have felt about the whole thing.
The Chris Petersen to Penn State rumors should hopefully die now
The Patriot News is reporting that Chris Petersen is not interested in Penn State’s vacancy. Apparently a search committee member made two trips to Idaho to try to woo Coach Pete but probably just ended up annoying him. And the only reason we here at OBNUG address the rumors is because they keep showing up in our Google News feed.
Honestly, I empathize with Penn St.‘s situation, this has rocked every football fan from Florida to California, but do yourself a favor set your eyes on someone else. You never had a chance at Petersen to begin with. Best of luck to you guys, I hope I’m wrong about Urban Meyer…Penn St. has been a blue collar program a long time and I’d rather see you guys or Wisconsin lead the B1G over tOSU.
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The B1G isn’t exactly elite. It’s better than Petersen faces week in and week out right now, but not enough to eclipse the "challenge" he is already undertaking.
Define elite.
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by ReadingRambler on Dec 27, 2011 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
I think the SEC is the only elite conference out there
and even they took a step back this year. I felt the Big 12 was pretty competitive this year as well. I typically look at teams individually, rather than as a conference and sort of rank them in relation to each other. I also use Bowl Games and OOC head to heads to gauge a team b/c conference play can be very misleading for most the conferences in America. I have noticed a fairly steady trend with the B1G though. B1G teams don’t look too hot come Bowl season when they can be measured against different styles…which makes me wonder about how good they look against each other all year if, so very often it seems, they’re all losing in premier OOC matchups like Bowl games.
For sometime now, B1G teams that have had great years, scoring a ton of points, and generally looking very very good against their conference schedule, will then get into a Bowl game and not look anything like they did against their conference schedule. Wisconsin steamrolled team after team last season and lost to TCU, albeit a very good TCU team, but one labeled as a “Little Sister of the Poor”. MSU finished 2nd I think and got spanked by Alabama. You guys know your own story against UF. tOSU has had some flat out embarrassing performances against top tier OOC teams this decade (NCG’s come to mind) and I think they were lucky to beat Arky last year with a roster pumped full of players that shouldn’t have been eligible for that game. Often times, B1G teams don’t just get beat in their Bowl games, they get shellacked or they get upset by a team not expected to hang with them, much less win the game.
We’ll see how things go this year…
I expect Michigan to beat Va. Tech but let’s be honest, neither of those teams belong in that bowl, especially Va. Tech. I’m not so sure I pick Michigan against K-State and I definitely don’t pick them against a Boise St. team that had time to heal a little in the secondary.
Purdue squeaked by Western Michigan
OU is going to cook Iowa
I don’t know about NW and aTm…aTm sucks and NW is from the B1G, whoever has the least bad luck will win that game I suppose
I’m picking you guys against Houston but I think Houston is a paper lion. Although if your boys don’t feel like playing, Houston won’t hesitate to hang 76 on you, that’s kind of their MO. Texas and Auburn are the only two other teams 17 and below I would pick you against.
tOSU vs. UF: UF but it’s both a toss up and a clash of irrelevancy and former glory this season. I expect plenty of mistakes in this game.
Now for where it counts….the higher end clashes between teams that had good to great years
1. Wisky vs. Oregon: I’m picking Wisky to beat Oregon but only b/c I have a theory about Oregon when they face good run defenses and it always involves losing. If Oregon has figured that out they’re going to run away with it imo. I wouldn’t pick Wisky over Stanford as an example of another team that had a strong chance of being in that Bowl.
2. MSU vs. UGA: I’m picking Georgia. MSU looked really good to me this year. I felt they had more balance on offense than in years past and their Defense is fiesty. But what will they look like OOC in their Bowl game? I don’t think it’s going to be pretty.
3. Nebraska vs. South Carolina: South Carolina, possibly big. I’m not sure how SCAR is doing w/ Garcia and Lattimore’s replacements but I had heard they were getting better as the season progressed. It might not matter though as Nebraska is a one trick pony. Stop Martinez and you stop NU and SCAR’s DL is going to have a field day with that.
So, as a whole and for at least ten years now, I have watched B1G teams, that entered premier OOC games with a head of steam and a lot of hype, fall flat on their faces and get taken apart. B1G teams that are having impressive years consistently rocket up the polls and then typically disappoint by season’s end. For this reason, I don’t buy into the hype of ANY B1G team until I see them play a tough OOC game and that doesn’t happen much these days. I think the conference is so average that it’s pointless to try and make an evaluation on them based on conference record.
IMHO, the one exception is Wisconsin, who has found a way to modernize their offensive approach and run a very balanced attack. They have a great OL every year it seems. Their secondary is a bit questionable this year imo, so we’ll see.
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"...and just things really starting to unravel now for Utah..." Herbie, BSU vs. Utah, 22 Dec 2010
Not You
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"...and just things really starting to unravel now for Utah..." Herbie, BSU vs. Utah, 22 Dec 2010
awesome
classy response. I was truly wondering what your definition of a great program would be, and you reply with a playground response.
Fire Dan Snyder
by Cari Greene on Dec 28, 2011 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
below was supposed to be a response...must not have hit reply button.
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"...and just things really starting to unravel now for Utah..." Herbie, BSU vs. Utah, 22 Dec 2010
I apologize, I thought you were being humorous b/c it was a lot like the response above
I was laughing when I wrote Not You and probably should have added an emote.
A great program to me is one that consistently brings in talent and then develops that talent into better players. There is discipline and the execution on the field is outstanding due to very good preparation and practice habits. It has a way of getting the athletes to buy into the team philosophy and it has a coach that can draw up good schemes for the opponents he is facing while also making sound halftime adjustments. The coach should be adept at recruiting enough to get the right kind of players for his system and/or he should be adept enough in different offensive/defensive schemes to flex to his players strengths. At the end of the day though, all of these attributes should result in good seasons and Bowl wins year in and year out and that is the bottom line.
Arizona St. would be an example of the opposite imo. As talented as MLB Vontaze Burfict is, he is a completely loose cannon. There is no accountability within that locker room and you can see the lack of seriosuness and general adolescence in the way their players tend to behave and how much trouble and turmoil there is within that program.
Penn St. is a very disciplined team imo and develops their talent. However, they haven’t gotten the right pieces at QB for a long time now in order to run a balanced offense and they tend to pay for it come Bowl season and even in B1G conference play.
The 1980s Miami Hurricanes were a great program even though they lacked discipline. They practiced hard, had strong camaraderie, and executed very well for a long period of time, not just a year here and a year there. There’s a reason we refer to that team as a dynasty.
Alabama and LSU have gotten very consistent results the past 3-5 years, the foundations for that consistency lie within the program. A process of recruiting correctly, developing that talent, and then executing from the coaching phase to the player level on a consistent basis.
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"...and just things really starting to unravel now for Utah..." Herbie, BSU vs. Utah, 22 Dec 2010
I understand what you are saying to an extent
but I think that you forget about our 2008-2009 teams (no worries, many of our fans do as well) where we had the all-Big Ten QB in Daryll Clark. We had one of the most explosive offenses I remember seeing in 2008, so I think your assessment of “in a long time” may be off.
As far as season records, I believe Penn State is in the top 10 in terms of winning percentage for the past 6 or so seasons. I have been literally doing internet searches for the past 15 minutes and I can’t come up with a database that compares FBS records for the past 5-10 years—someone really should compile it. Or at least make it easier for laypeople like myself to find.
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Absolutely, B1G teams have all been around a very long time
and at one time was the premier league in America. But how accurate is a pure win % based evaluation when the entire conference is struggling or falling on its face when it comes to Bowl season? Admittedly, I haven’t crunched the numbers, this is the sense I have of the B1G since the 2000’s and possibly the 90’s.
Boise St. gets hammered for having an overly amplified win percentage against a primarily soft schedule and I understand that. The difference is that Boise St. has consistently overachieved, in comparison to their national perception, against the tough OOC games they have played while I see B1G teams consistently underachieve, compared to their national perception, when given the same opportunities.
This is the basis for why I feel, money aside (which it is), Petersen faces a greater challenge at Boise St. given his access to resources than he would at PSU, while also managing to achieve more, build a stronger performing team, and more consistent program than most B1G schools in the last decade.
A lot of schools come calling thinking that Petersen has reached the end of his road at Boise St., that he’s touched the glass ceiling and so surely he would come coach for them where he can continue his upward career trajectory. The problem is that people have been thinking that for the past 5 years and Petersen and Boise St. keep hammering away at the walls.
Time will tell but I think Pete likes what he has built in Boise quite a bit. It’s like buying a’67 Mustang vs. building a ’67 Mustang from the ground up. If you buil it yourself, you appreciate it much much more.
Thank you for letting me know about Daryll Clark. I’ll look into him. One thing I am going to check is his Bowl and OOC stats b/c QB’ing in the B1G is a hit or miss proposition. Wisky’s QB last year was one of the better they had seen in some time and he got exposed when he faced TCU.
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"...and just things really starting to unravel now for Utah..." Herbie, BSU vs. Utah, 22 Dec 2010
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