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Tom Bradley and Penn State SID Jeff Nelson just announced that QB Paul Jones and DB Derrick Thomas did not travel with the team to Dallas due to academic reasons. WR Curtis Drake and WR Shawney Kersey (who is rumored to be transferring any day now) did not make the trip due to "personal reasons".


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I don't think individually these are big losses for this game.

With the exception of Drake these players have had almost no impact this year.

That being said, I don’t think the team is going to be up for this game at all and will probably not play well. I hope I am wrong.

by FB6244 on Dec 27, 2011 1:00 PM EST reply actions  

I’m starting to agree with your second point. They might be fine, but this coaching search is so devoid I imagine players and coaches alike are scenario playing all day instead of having the bearings to focus on what January looks like.

by Kevin Powers on Dec 27, 2011 9:14 PM EST up reply actions  

munchak

Has anyone else heard that this is just about done and hes the next coach. Ive been hearing it for the last 48 hours.

by Jog73 on Dec 27, 2011 1:04 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions  

If that is true...

I’m throwing everything off my desk, off my schedule, and hitting the bar to get shitfaced for 2 sraight weeks. I’ll party like I still live in a frat house.

by rodney20 on Dec 27, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Would that be

celebratory drinking or OHNOES!!!! drinking?

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by jman07 on Dec 27, 2011 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know about Jman

But I’ll be doing the same thing and for me it will be OHNOES!!! drinking

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by LegalLion on Dec 27, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Apathy drinking here.

"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings

by ReadingRambler on Dec 27, 2011 2:14 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Same...

He’s never been one of my top candidates, but I would always be willing to give him a shot at the job.

by OLDLIONofNYC on Dec 27, 2011 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

X's and O's wise sure

But I just can’t get onboard with a hire that has ZERO experience recruiting.

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by LegalLion on Dec 27, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

My problem with Munchak is this:

We already have a guy who’s better. I could maybe understand replacing Bradley with Petersen, but with a guy who has, as you said, zero experience recruiting and none of the other benefits PSU gets from Bradley? It just makes no sense.

"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings

by ReadingRambler on Dec 27, 2011 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

What makes you certain that Bradley is better?

I don’t mean this to be argumentative and maybe you’ve commented elsewhere and I’ve missed it, but what is so great about Tom Bradley? You can convince me, but I’m obviously not seeing something that you have seen.

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by kijana's acl on Dec 27, 2011 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

First of all, let me say this: I think some are concerned by the fact that Bradley was “rejected” by three schools. Well, Temple didn’t hire him because a powerful booster wanted Addazio because boosters are often irrational. Pitt didn’t hire him because, presumably, Bradley is a Penn State guy and, also, Pitt is really stupid (See: Todd Graham). I don’t know why UConn didn’t hire him and, frankly, I don’t care. Maybe Bradley rejected them. I can’t make any judgments on that whole thing if I choose to maintain my criticism of those who criticized Paterno without any knowledge. This whole paragraph feels slightly logically inconsistent to me, but I think my speculation about Temple and Pitt is reasonable.

Bradley is known to be a great recruiter. Munchak has never recruited any high school player.

Bradley has done a superb job with Penn State’s defenses, and, in doing so, became Paterno’s most trusted assistant and earned invaluable experience for a head coach ala Paterno under Engle. Bradley will definitely maintain the ties to the past, which, I think, is something we would be foolish to discount (Goodbye, Mike Zordich, Joe Suhey, Mike Mauti, and others of your sort). Munchak, of course, played for Penn State, but he never coached there and I don’t know enough about him to know if he can keep the amount of loyalty that Bradley can probably command.

Bradley obviously has great leadership skills, a fact attested to by Paterno and many players. Munchak? I have no clue.

I know that Bradley has excelled with basically every job he’s had at Penn State. Munchak was a capable assistant (I presume; honestly, I have no real idea, but it seems logical that he would be a capable assistant if he got the head job) and, unlike Bradley, he has head coaching experience. That experience consists of one year with the Titans; he has an 8-7 record. In short, he’s not at all a proven head coach like Bradley.

We know that Bradley’s a very good coach. Do we know that about Munchak? I don’t think so.

"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings

by ReadingRambler on Dec 27, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Needs better phrasing:

In short, he’s not at all a proven head coach; the same can be said, of course, for Bradley

"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings

by ReadingRambler on Dec 27, 2011 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

So it's a bird in the hand kind of thing

Or perhaps a devil you know (I suck at metaphors and 19th centure street lingo). I get that. I certainly prefer Bradley to many of the names being floated (Bo P., Schiano, among others). Thanks.

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by kijana's acl on Dec 27, 2011 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

A bird in the hand?

I think the search committee is taking the bird in hand approach to this. Well, except for the lady.

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by jman07 on Dec 28, 2011 6:30 AM EST up reply actions  

You're fourth paragraph

Is exactly why Bradley is who I want to coach this team on a permanent basis.

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by LegalLion on Dec 27, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I e-mailed him back in november

And got a response the next day. Same experience, very classy thanking me for taking time out of my day to write to him and hope that he can live up to our standards and the standards of PSU and all who support her.

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by AriesGD on Dec 27, 2011 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Tom Bradley answered your email? Cool.

by NittanyBlueHen on Dec 27, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Yup, a few days before the Ohio State game also.

Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose - Janis Joplin

by AriesGD on Dec 27, 2011 11:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Celebratory...

He is my first choice. I may extend the two weeks to three.

by rodney20 on Dec 27, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I have heard that...

but not from anyone reliable or with any sort of supporting evidence.

by NittanyBlueHen on Dec 27, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm starting to think...

That the new HC will be an unpleasant surprise, like that Cutcliffe guy at Duke, or something of that vein…I agree with a couple of others here that it is hard to believe that Munchak just leaves the Titans after so long and after a fairly successful first year as an NFL HC.

Right now for me, it is hard to be positive about the process. I just hope if they don’t get a quality outside hire, they stick with Bradley, who has been my second choice (now first) all along.

by OLDLIONofNYC on Dec 27, 2011 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

re: an unpleasant surprise

IIRC, Chizik was an unpleasant surprise for most Auburn fans. I think there will be a vast number of Penn State fans/alumni who will be upset no matter who the coach is. I may be one of them, for a few hours or so.

Then, I will get over it and see what he can do for the school on and off the field. I’m hoping to be able to reserve my judgment of the next coach until AT LEAST 2013.

Fire Dan Snyder

by Cari Greene on Dec 27, 2011 3:18 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Well, Chizik may yet NOT be a good "coach" perse

He surrounded himself with a damn fine offensive mind and a decent D-coordinator, and Lord knows that whatever got Cam Newton to go there wasn’t legitimate.

So the only thing I’ve ever really given him credit for is making the right hires. And, to be fair, there’s definitely something to be said for that. But if he makes the wrong hires, you might end up getting Zook’d.

by psuwxman on Dec 27, 2011 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Chizik was an unpleasant surprise because Auburn fans didn’t realize they were hiring a guy whose program would be run by coordinators and, above all, cheating boosters. They probably shouldn’t have been shocked by this result because Auburn constantly cheats.

"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings

by ReadingRambler on Dec 27, 2011 10:47 PM EST up reply actions  

So you're saying

if we hire a coach none of us want, we can get a bag man to pay his dad $180,000, and we’ll win the National Championship? Just like Auburn?

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by Tailgate Shogun on Dec 27, 2011 10:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm actually fine with Cutcliffe, to be honest.

We could do a lot worse. Again, I think he’d need to find the right people to surround himself with, but he pretty much made the Manning boys what they are.

by psuwxman on Dec 27, 2011 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

But did you check in with that Atlanta DJ?

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by jtothep on Dec 27, 2011 7:24 PM EST up reply actions  

C'mon

David Jones is citing reports from “donor types.” It has to be true!

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by Tailgate Shogun on Dec 27, 2011 10:50 PM EST up reply actions  

So David Jones is bothering people at the Red Cross blood drive?

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by jman07 on Dec 28, 2011 6:33 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Three days ago Boise's coach was a done deal

So, I’m not buying it until there’s a press conference.

Joe, the reason we shout "WE ARE" and the reason the answer will always be "PENN STATE"

by Rogue Nine on Dec 27, 2011 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Jeebus

it feels like the wheels are falling off the struggle bus.

.....that which we are, WE ARE;
One equal temper of heroic hearts

by SarcasmJam on Dec 27, 2011 1:18 PM EST reply actions  

they feel off on Nov 9th

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by letsgopsu on Dec 27, 2011 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

fell, not feel

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by letsgopsu on Dec 27, 2011 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Googling

“Jon Gruden Penn State” yields some interesting results right now.

by NittanyBlueHen on Dec 27, 2011 1:35 PM EST reply actions  

Gruden would be nice hire...young, gets the game, knows PA, etc...

If he stinks in 3-5 years then Munchak/Golden/etc will be available.

I have hard time thinking Munchak leaves Tennessee high/dry, he has been part of that org his entire adult life.

Although I did start the Munchak HC and Vandy DC rumor last night, totally made up

May no act.................

by SweepTheLeg on Dec 27, 2011 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Just tried that…apparently there was a post on Bleacher Report about it and then it got pulled.

by CJPhilly on Dec 27, 2011 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Just saw that it was pulled.

Looks like Bleacher Report requires some factual basis for its reports. ESPN should make note.

by NittanyBlueHen on Dec 27, 2011 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Kersey

Didn’t Kersey almost transfer last season? I guess the kid was never happy in Happy Valley for whatever reason. Can’t really blame him for wanting out now if he had thoughts of transferring last year.

by Mo Humphrey on Dec 27, 2011 1:52 PM EST reply actions  

It's a shame about Jones

Doesn’t sound like he got his grades up enough to play. Hopefully with one more good semester this spring he can get things in order for next year. Although time is running out for him.

Drake being out seems odd there were no charges filed in the fight with he and McGloin so curious what that’s about.

As for Kersey meh, seems like he could be a talented kid but he left the team in the middle of the year last year because he wanted to leave. You can’t please everyone.

by psuwresfan on Dec 27, 2011 1:59 PM EST reply actions  

Drake being out seems odd there were no charges filed in the fight with he and McGloin so curious what that’s about.

This is Drake’s 3rd or 4th brush with trouble. Feels like he’s always in or around some sort of physical altercation. At some point, someone needs to step in and tell him to grow up.

I’m sure McGloin didn’t help matters, but Drake needs to put his hands down.

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by Adam Collyer on Dec 27, 2011 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

From what I've read on the tweedle dee

It’s not related to the fight. The rumor, I mean message, boards are saying he’s telling people he needs to take a step back and take a break from everything. If that’s true and he plans on coming back in the Spring I applaud him would show a great sign of maturity to know when to step away and reevaluate everything.

by psuwresfan on Dec 27, 2011 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I respectfully disagree.

Drake will have down time after the bowl game to reevaluate everything. This team, this program, this university needs to win this game BAD to staunch the flow of bad news and to give everybody something to feel good about. The bowl game is in less than a week.

His being on scholarship is his job. Just like when my wife and kids get on my nerves, or when work gets on my nerves, I don’t just get in my car and drive away to be by myself. I’m in the fight (just like Drake is) so you have to stay attached and muddle through (sometimes that’s exactly what it feels like) and press on. You can’t just walk away and leave people high and dry. Not when others are counting on you.

by Ab4PSU on Dec 27, 2011 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm with you on this one.

If this is the case with Drake, then guess what? Tough shit. That’s life. I do things every single day I don’t want to do. Taking a step back is another way of saying he is too weak to handle getting a free education in exchange for playing a game. If he can’t handle it, fine, get off the team and stop pilfering a scholarship that some other poor s.o.b. could use. Otherwise, h needs to hike up his skirt.

by rodney20 on Dec 27, 2011 10:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I disagree with the assertion that we need to win this bowl game

I honestly could care less about the outcome of this game, and will be spending my day tailgating the Winter Classic instead of watching the bowl game. This season just needs to be put behind us and we need to find a coach and move on.

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by Kyle_Martin on Dec 28, 2011 12:12 AM EST up reply actions  

I haven't watched any part of any bowl game yet.

And I don’t plan to watch any part of any bowl game still to come except MAYBE the PSU game. But I’m even having doubts about that. I hate the bowl games and coupled with all that’s transpired this year I may just do the total bowl boycott.

(Maybe I just need to step away for a while like Drake!)

by J Breezy on Dec 28, 2011 6:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Whatever

Just ready for this season to be over so all the transfers and such can get out of the way and we can start over. I dont care how much we suck for the next couple years honestly I just want it to happen already so we can get it over with.

by ReddWhitenBlue on Dec 27, 2011 2:07 PM EST reply actions  

As long as none of those MIA are named Silas Redd, Devon Still, or Jack Crawford...

… Penn State is going to be just fine against Houston, and I do predict it will get ugly for Houston. All Penn State has to do is play a simple Cover-2 Man and let Still and Crawford pressure Keenum. These are by far the two most gifted defensive linemen Houston will have faced all year, and Crawford will be playing with a chip on his shoulder since many mock drafts don’t yet include him (which is probably why his play over the last three games – 8 tackles and 4 sacks in PSU’s toughest three game stretch – really turned up a notch).

by TheHumbleBuckeye on Dec 27, 2011 2:54 PM EST reply actions  

Cover 2 man defense?

You’ve never seen PSU play have you?

by rodney20 on Dec 27, 2011 10:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

A shame that Drake and Jones can't make it

I think Drake really added another dimension to the offense when they brought him into the game plan more.

Jones could have been an interesting addition if McGloin indeed can’t go, no one would know how to prepare for him.

Joe, the reason we shout "WE ARE" and the reason the answer will always be "PENN STATE"

by Rogue Nine on Dec 27, 2011 2:59 PM EST reply actions  

It's a shame about Jones.

He was probably the best of the three QB’s. But Joe set the standard, and regardless of what Sandusky did and how everybody responded, it’s why WE ARE….PENN STATE!!! Bradley has shown that if he is in fact the successor, he’s going to maintain the no grades, no play philosophy that Joe rightfully instituted.

As far as Bradley being the next coach, I’m not 100% sure I’m on board. I’m sorry, there’s something that says this whole Sandusky mess will never, EVER die as long as there are any people left over from the staff. That being said, if this job is now so toxic that nobody wants it, Bradley may get it by default. If that’s the case and he keeps the standards in place that Joe set, if Bradley coaches with a little more courage and aggression in trying to win instead of coaching with fear and trying not to lose, and we do win, then good for Bradley. I don’t know. I’m not going to curse hiring him. I’m not going to curse not hiring him. Like a lot of things in life, we’ll have to wait it out. And that’s the hardest thing to do: wait.

by Ab4PSU on Dec 27, 2011 5:05 PM EST reply actions  

Is he really the best of the three, or just better than the two we decided weren’t good enough because we don’t know anything about how well he can play?

by Kevin Powers on Dec 27, 2011 9:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I know what you're saying.

BUT…..it wouldn’t take much to be better than McGloin and Bolden.

by J Breezy on Dec 28, 2011 6:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Also being reported

McGloin did not dress for practice today. No Jones, no Drake. That leaves us with Bolden and Belton. Please God, let Belton be our next Michael Robinson.

Amen.

by PSUinOH on Dec 27, 2011 5:54 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

You forgot about Shane McGregor

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by AriesGD on Dec 27, 2011 11:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Jones

If only the school cared more about grades than football, he’d be on the field.

/logicfallaciesarefun

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by MainLion on Dec 27, 2011 6:47 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

Please

Someone let the new school president know that we’ve finally got our priorities straight

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by kijana's acl on Dec 27, 2011 9:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, this makes Belton even more important

Though the most discouraging news of this is Jones not making the trip

Some guy at Penn State Hershey just discovered a virus that eats cancer. Where were the CNN trucks for that? Now Someone at PSU found something that could cure Leukemia. Coverage? None. THON will probably break $10 mil this year. Put that on "Outside the Lines" you sanctimonious pricks!

by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Dec 27, 2011 7:23 PM EST reply actions  

We've dealt with Drake being out a lot

But he is one of the sickest athletes we have. At Wide receiver, he’s more fluid than all the others, and it Rational Cat, he’s way more dangerous than Belton.

And that bone marrow thing he’s been dealing with cannot be easy at all. Drake, if you’re regrouping, regroup then. Convalesce and come back in the Spring.

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by jtothep on Dec 27, 2011 7:28 PM EST reply actions  

Thats awesome

I am very jealous, and please do post some pictures.

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by AriesGD on Dec 27, 2011 11:17 PM EST up reply actions  

What's DC doing for money these days

Far as you can tell?

jtothetweet
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by jtothep on Dec 28, 2011 8:56 AM EST up reply actions  

he was a grad asst at lock haven

because he missed the deadline for us.

Fire Dan Snyder

by Cari Greene on Dec 28, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Please don't interpret this negatively.

The Kozee’s owner was asking people to give DC $10 for pictures and autographs. I had NO problem doing that — slipped him a little more than $10. I asked DC about joining the PSU coaching staff — he said that was underway until the crap hit the fan. Yet another casualty of the media/BoT/spineless ass-hats who believe “Joe should have done more.” crowd.

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by PSU_Lions_84 on Dec 28, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Paul Jones

Will never see a day on the field for PSU. He’ll flunk out.

by Nectir on Dec 27, 2011 11:29 PM EST reply actions  

Just an FYI from Jones's twitter

He was 1 credit short of playing in the fall, and .02 points from qualifying for the bowl game. I’d say that is far from flunking out.

by cmdpsu15 on Dec 27, 2011 11:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe, maybe not.

.02 from what standard?

And, as I tell folks who drop the “oh, s/he missed passing the bar exam by [small number of] points,” a proper student, recognizing the importance of the exam, GPA, whatever should never be in a position where a few points matter.

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by MainLion on Dec 27, 2011 11:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I passed the MPRE by 1 point.

Just ethical enough!

A pandemic of cowardice sweeps the nation.

by WorldBFat on Dec 27, 2011 11:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll only be surprised if

you tell me you studied for this. I did the one-day refresher from Bar-Bri and let it rip. Unlike the bar, no one cares if you fail this repeatedly—except maybe you if you need to keep paying the fee. :)

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by MainLion on Dec 27, 2011 11:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Didn't he need a 2.0?

Being off by .02 gives him a 1.98, in his sophomore year. That doesn’t exactly say great things about his ability to pass junior and senior year. I hope it gets better but it’s not looking particularly great. Plus, a football player at an institution known for academics is short a credit? A QB nonetheless. He either fell through the cracks, which would be unlikely, or he hasn’t taken enough care to take advantage of the plethora of academic help there is to make sure he can meet at least the bare minimum requirements.

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by Rogue Nine on Dec 28, 2011 1:08 AM EST up reply actions  

One thing to keep in mind...

His high school was (is) absolutely terrible academically. He would’ve been woefully ill-prepared for college.

by J Breezy on Dec 28, 2011 6:18 AM EST up reply actions  

His high school still is terrible

The fact that he has been able to stay in college at all is a testament to his desire. A lot of athletes struggle the first year or two as they catch up to their classmates. Once they develop proper study habits, catch up on some of the foundational skills that others learned in high school, they often do quite well in their final 2-4 years of college. This is particularly true given the amount and level of academic support that – at least while I was at PSU – are available to members of the football team. Football tutors had to prove themselves by working with non-revenue sport athletes before they were assigned to football players.

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by kijana's acl on Dec 28, 2011 9:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed, it's ridiculous.

There is absolutely no excuse for a PSU football player to be academically ineligible with the resources available to them. PJ isn’t taking organic chemistry up there, either. And it’s not like he has to be worried about game prep or anything like that, he wasn’t even the 3rd team QB this season.

by Chris Grovich on Dec 28, 2011 7:03 AM EST up reply actions  

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