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Are Penn State fans' expectations for their next head coach getting too high? When the search committee to find Penn State's next head coach was formed about three weeks ago, no one really expected the search to take this long, and most expected a safe hire, one that could restore the damaged image of the program in the wake of terrible scandal. Since that time, though, the list of candidates has exponentially grown in the minds of the interested public, and the commentary around the search has risen to a level such that only the ghost of Vince Lombardi himself could satisfy some fans.

Internet rumors and conjecture abound, including a favorite of many that says Penn State already has its head coach and is simply waiting, for one reason or another, to name this mystery man. Naturally, this leads to even greater speculation and intrigue. Everyone has their guesses, from established journalists to message board "insiders" to Joe Averagefan.

But what makes this search so unique is that no one, not even the beat writers who cover this team for a living, know anything.

Star-divide

The lack of information coming out of Happy Valley and those in charge of this search is both refreshing and frustrating. It's nice to see that Dave Joyner, Ira Lubert, and the rest of the committee can keep this high profile search under wraps. In a world where every news story gets leaked to some outlet by someone in the know, there has been no discernible piece of good information leaked on this search. We've seen some nuggets of info come out after the fact, including the interviews of Tom Clements, Tom Bradley, and some others.

Since there is no information, however, it is frustrating to those who are looking for any indication as to who the next Penn State football leader will be. The usual insiders on certain message boards, many of whom have had reliable information in the past, aren't saying much and it's leading to wild rumor mongering.

That Penn State might have already named a head coach, and further that that coach might be a "15 out of a scale of 10" or a "long homerun" has many fans scrambling to try and be the first to name our next head coach. In addition, new names have emerged on the information front, including one unidentified person who is taunting the world with some cryptic information.

In the beginning of the search, names like Dan Mullen, Tom Bradley, and Charlie Strong were discussed, men who were seen as relatively safe hires that would likely be interested in the job. Three weeks later and not a peep from those in the know, and the names we're now seeing include such outlandish guesses as Jon Gruden, Bill Cowher, Nick Saban, Les Miles, and others. This has lead to many fans getting their hopes so high, that when the next coach is named, likely sometime shortly after the bowl game on January 2nd, the announcement is sure to disappoint some.

"Anyone but Chris Petersen or Mark Richt will be a disappoint!" some fans may say. Those fans have a right to dream big for their program, for sure. But realistic expectations should be maintained. I would be the first to welcome the Stoops brothers to Happy Valley, but it's just not happening folks.

So all we can do is wait. We've waited over seven weeks since Joe Paterno was relieved of duties, nearly four weeks since the official committee was formed, and now there is just five more days until the bowl game, the day after which many believe is the target announcement date. Could it end up being someone like Richt, Petersen or Chip Kelly? Sure. Is it more likely to be someone like Tom Clements or Mike Munchak? Yes. But then again, that's just more speculation.

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Why couldn't...

they have been this tight lipped, about the Sandusky scandal?

by TonyLion on Dec 28, 2011 7:32 AM EST reply actions  

Bingo

May no act.................

by SweepTheLeg on Dec 28, 2011 8:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Sorta.

The PR disaster was a combination of not saying anything and saying stupid stuff (“Unconditional support for Curley and Schultz”, “We don’t know all the facts”, etc) when they actually said something

"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings

by ReadingRambler on Dec 28, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I guess we'll just have to trust the committee.

Kind of a scary thought when you think of how inexperienced they are at this type of thing, especially for a football coach.

Personally, not many of the names being floated out there excite me much. Not even Petersen. I’m probably in the minority on him, but I’m just not as impressed with him and Boise State as most people are. Plus it gives me a bad taste that evidently the guy thinks the PSU job is beneath him (yet somehow playing on a blue field is not??).

by J Breezy on Dec 28, 2011 8:12 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Don't take it personally. He doesn't seem to want *any* other job.

Really, if UCLA couldn’t get him for $4M/year, PSU wasn’t getting him either. But I like that we tried. No shame in that.

by Chris Grovich on Dec 28, 2011 8:32 AM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn't take the UCLA job either!

I personally couldn’t stand to live and work in and around LA.

But the slight doesn’t really bother me. I’m just not all that giggy on him as the coach at PSU. I’m not all that impressed with Boise and their recent record…never have been. I realize I’m in the minority with that view, but that’s the way I feel.

by J Breezy on Dec 28, 2011 8:47 AM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn't take it because you can't win there

All the best local players want to go to USC. Then you have to compete for the rest with Oregon, Nebraska, Cal, UW, etc. All that and you get to deal with L.A. dissinterest unless you win big.

"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13

by kijana's acl on Dec 28, 2011 9:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Dick Vermeil

The last time the UCLA job wasn’t a career killer. Outside of a solid run in the early to mid-80s, Terry Donahue spent his career in Glen Mason territory: no bigger jobs wanted him, UCLA wasn’t thrilled with him, but he wasn’t doing bad enough to justify being fired.

And Penn State is a destination job. UCLA is a basketball school.

GO IOWA AWESOME

by ckmneon on Dec 28, 2011 9:43 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Yes, but.

Penn State is in a part of the country Petersen wants nothing to do with, UCLA isn’t.

by Chris Grovich on Dec 28, 2011 10:07 AM EST up reply actions  

UCLA is west coast

But my recollection is that he’s a Northern California/Oregon guy, not a Southern Cal type. It’s like comparing Philly to Miami.

"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13

by kijana's acl on Dec 28, 2011 10:14 AM EST up reply actions  

I believe he grew up in Yuba City and his father still lives there.

He also went to UC-Davis. So yeah, these places aren’t Los Angeles but they’re sure as hell not central Pennsylvania.

by Chris Grovich on Dec 28, 2011 10:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe so, but taking the location out of it UCLA still sucks.

They haven’t been relevant in years…since when, the Troy Aikman days? Or maybe Freeman McNeil?? They’re also USC’s little brother. The UCLA football program and coaching job is quite similar to Pitt’s….a hoops school trying (but failing) to count in football, too.

by J Breezy on Dec 28, 2011 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Davis was Central PA

not too long ago

GO IOWA AWESOME

by ckmneon on Dec 28, 2011 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Yep.

Sort of like some dude named Joe Paterno – find a place you love and stick with it.

No shame in that.

365 beers from 365 different breweries in 365 days. Game on.
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by Tailgate Shogun on Dec 28, 2011 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Very possible

and he’s probably not in my top 5 anyway. But the notion that he wouldn’t take the PSU job because it’s either more city or country than he’s used to just isn’t true.

GO IOWA AWESOME

by ckmneon on Dec 28, 2011 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

That the Davis area has turned into an urbanesque, Mac-using, white-people-Mecca, mini-Portland / Frisco in the last 30 years is one of the great mysteries of our time.

GO IOWA AWESOME

by ckmneon on Dec 28, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I have heard Matt Millen multiple times on Philly sports radio....not buying it though.

My latest guess (not that you asked)
1 – Clements
2 – Cutcliffe
3 – Tom Coughlin (really good short term hire)
4 – Gruden
5 – Schiano

Really think it is going to be a “who did they hire…really…OK” kind of reaction

May no act.................

by SweepTheLeg on Dec 28, 2011 8:29 AM EST reply actions  

Oddly enough

I just boarded a flight in Detroit for Phoenix and saw Millen sitting in first class.

by psu87intn on Dec 28, 2011 8:33 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Your drugs must be tremendous.

Number 3 and 5 aren’t happening. Coughlin’s job is pretty safe and Schiano was supposedly told "no thanks" weeks ago.
Assuming that PSU already doesn’t have its guy (and I’m starting to think that they do), #1 #2 and even #4 aren’t too far beyong the realm of possibility.

by Chris Grovich on Dec 28, 2011 8:35 AM EST up reply actions  

If it's true they told Schiano "no thanks" then I'm alright with that.

He’s another one I’ve never been as impressed with as many others are.

Don’t get me wrong on all this…I’d be ok with him or Petersen, but they just not what I would prefer.

by J Breezy on Dec 28, 2011 8:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Saying no thanks to Schiano is one of the more encouraging pieces of news I've read about this.

I would’ve been okay with Schiano. Obviously, we all would prefer someone different, but there are far worse names being thrown around. The fact that he didn’t impress the committee enough to even be a “Plan B” guy is very telling of whom the committee has interest from.

"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84

by dbl5030 on Dec 28, 2011 8:55 AM EST up reply actions  

I think Gruden would be the hire of the year

overshadowing even Meyer’s hiring at Ohio State.

After his work at ESPN and that shit where he sits with the senior quarterbacks entering the draft and interviews them he has more name recognition now than he did after he won the superbowl.

Doesnt hurt he won a superbowl either.

I believe his hire would have the most significant positive impact on recruiting.

"Publicity is like poison. It doesn't hurt unless you swallow it."

Joe Paterno

by The Heel on Dec 28, 2011 10:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought that nobody knew anything?

So what’s the basis of the Schiano story? I mean, I hope it’s true, but it sounds like most of the other “information” out there.

FWIW, Bozos on 93.7 in Pittsburgh were speculating this morning that – based upon NFL sources – Munchak is the next coach. Guess we should be hoping for a Bengals win this weekend.

"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13

by kijana's acl on Dec 28, 2011 9:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Wooo Hoooo GO BENGALS!!!

I may be one of the very few Bengals fans. Had no choice, been following them since their inception. When my dad was in college at the univ. of CInncinatti in the late 40’s, he met Paul Brown while working a construction project for my great uncle Pat’s architectural firm. Dad always liked and respected Mr. Brown and when he started the Bengals, dad became a fan. Then of course my sister’s piano friend from high school, MIke Reid, was drafted and I became a fan. There is my excuse for still being a Bengal fan.

I just read.

by BMAN13 on Dec 28, 2011 9:11 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I know it's already tired news, but that flip by Simpson was AWESOME.

"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84

by dbl5030 on Dec 28, 2011 9:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh, I couldn't agree more.

That was the best touchdown I’ve seen in about 30 years. Since Spencer Tillman dove in from the 5. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHr60rAWs3s

by J Breezy on Dec 28, 2011 9:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Those are better reasons than I have for being a Steelers fan

I moved to Pittsburgh at an age (8) when I was easily influenced into adpoting the “home” team. I usually respect someone who roots for a different team (i.e., not the local team), unless they choose the Yankees, Lakers, Cowboys, etc., then they just suck.

"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13

by kijana's acl on Dec 28, 2011 9:15 AM EST up reply actions  

I know their coach.

So as long as he’s there, I’m a fan. (Except when they play the Steelers and it has playoff implications.)

by J Breezy on Dec 28, 2011 9:16 AM EST up reply actions  

I rec'd your Bengals post

because I respect the hell out of any fan who owns up to supporting either one of the Ohio teams. Fidelity can be a bitch, but it is also a virtue. I actually think your guys beat Baltimore this week to earn a playoff berth.

I remember meeting an admitted Bengals fan after the ’02 PSU/OSU game. After complimenting him on his tenacity for sticking with the team and guts for admitting to it, I apologized for Ki-jana Carter.

The depth of both my sadness and anger is unfathomable.

We (Still) Are...

by PSU_Buch on Dec 28, 2011 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

What?

Carter blew out his knee. He’d didn’t get fat and lazy (like Big Daddy Wilkerson) or blow his talent on drugs. He got hurt. It happens all the time in football. There is nothing to apologize for.

"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13

by kijana's acl on Dec 28, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

He blew his knee on HIS FIRST FREAKING CARRY!

This is why it ticks me off when jackwagons at ESPN and the like cite him as an awful Penn State runningback bust.

"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings

by ReadingRambler on Dec 28, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

I should clarify

that I apologized for how it worked out, not for his play.

He actually still loved Carter. Seems a lot of the Cincy fans don’t hold a grudge (like Bears fans justifiably do about Curtis Enis).

The depth of both my sadness and anger is unfathomable.

We (Still) Are...

by PSU_Buch on Dec 28, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Curtis Enis had degenerative knee syndrome...

the dude’s cartilage literally deteriorated from between his bones. Not justifiable in my opinion.

Carter was good, but I have a feeling his OL at PSU made him look maybe a little better than people thought he was. He still had a respectable NFL career…9 years or so? But, when you have guys with the names of Hartings, Rivera, Greeley, Johnson, Conlin, Brady, Milne, and Witman throwing blocks for you…..

All those guys played in the NFL. At least 2 of the 5 OL starters were NFL Pro Bowlers. Not saying Carter wasn’t a good back…I’m just sayin’.

by rodney20 on Dec 28, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Enis was also a head case.

SI did a story on him years ago….dude was gone.

by J Breezy on Dec 28, 2011 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

His line was the best that I can remember (mid-80s on) at PSU

but Carter was special. Not quite as talented/gifted as LJ in my mind, but a favorite because I feel like he got the most out of every carry and every opportunity.

"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13

by kijana's acl on Dec 28, 2011 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Munchak played on a great line, too.

Maybe not as good as 94’s, but very good still.

I think Warner was a better back than Carter. I think Carter was a great back, but I agree the line played a big part in his year. Plus he had a great qb, receivers, and tight end so teams couldn’t focus on him. My gosh that offense was loaded!

by J Breezy on Dec 28, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Remember that Warner was teammates with Davey O’Brien winner Todd Blackledge, All-American Kenny Jackson, Greg Garrity, Mike McCloskey, and a solid (if not great; they lost Farrell and Munchak to the NFL) offensive line.

Still, I agree with you. Warner was a great runner and an excellent receiver. Carter was never as good a receiver as Warner or Mike Archie.

"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings

by ReadingRambler on Dec 28, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Warner was better....

…at making people miss, too.

Yes, I remember all those guys. That team was loaded, too. But all those guys you mentioned were not quite as good as Engram, Scott, Brady, and Collins. Jackson maybe was as good as Engram, but the rest are all just a notch below.

That 94 team looks even better with “the benefit of hindsight”.

by J Breezy on Dec 28, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd take Jackson over Engram.

He was a better big-play receiver. I’d take Garrity over Scott. But 94 also had Jurevicous, so I’d definitely give the edge to 94’s receiving corp.

by rodney20 on Dec 28, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Strongly disagree about Engram!

When Collins needed a big play, Engram was the guy. He caught the game winning pass against Michigan, he made a key 4th down conversion against Illinois, he caught the 4th down game winning pass against Sparty in ’95, and I highly doubt any other PSU receiver could make the one-handed catch he made against brutus in ’94.

No PSU receiver has ever been as good as Bobby Engram. He had it all.

"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings

by ReadingRambler on Dec 28, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Dude, pipe down...

I agree Engram was good. But I think Jackson was better. Jackson, IMO is the best receiver to ever play at PSU. Second is OJ McDuffie. Sorry. Engram was one of the great ones. He was a clutch guy. But I don’t think he was PSU’s best ever.

by rodney20 on Dec 28, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I've posted this many times before.

But I never get tired of it.

Dan Marino said during his retirement speech that OJ McDuffie was the toughest guy he ever played with.

Think about that for a moment. Marino played on some ridiculously talented and tough teams at Pitt (except for Mark May who was and still is a giant sissy). And he played with all kinds of tough guys in the pros. Yet he calls a guy from a college he no doubt despises the toughest guy he ever played with. That’s some sincere praise right there.

by J Breezy on Dec 28, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I will not pipe down!

Shut up, you anti-Engram infidel!

"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings

by ReadingRambler on Dec 28, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Ha

I read his post as, “Dude, put down the pipe”

.....that which we are, WE ARE;
One equal temper of heroic hearts

by SarcasmJam on Dec 28, 2011 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Jackson was awfully good.

It’s hard to pick against him, but I agree with you. I’m taking Engram over him.

by J Breezy on Dec 28, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree

Of the guys that I saw when they were in college, Engram and Collins are the easiest to identify as the best at their positions. There are arguments for linebacker, tailback, etc., but the best receiver and quarterback conversations begin and end with those two.

"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13

by kijana's acl on Dec 28, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

OJ McDuffie?

Bobby is arguably better than he was, but not “better, end of discussion” better.

...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...

by jesse. on Dec 28, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm biased

My time at PSU lined up well with Engram, so I just missed OJ. I still watched PSU when OJ was there, just not as closely as I did once I arrived on campus. Those are my top two though.

"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13

by kijana's acl on Dec 28, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Warner is without question the best back I've ever seen at PSU...

It’s not even close, in my mind. Not even close. That guy would take 40 pitch around the corner and it was over. Lightning. And he played his best when the best came calling.

Warner is probably one of the best backs I’ve ever seen, not only at PSU, but in all of college football. Probably in the top 5, with guys like Marshall Faulk, Adrian Peterson. I’d put him up against any other teams all-time best any day of the week.

by rodney20 on Dec 28, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree about the best at PSU.

Of course I never saw Lenny Moore play – he may have been the best.

But I disagree on Warner being a top 5 ever in college football.

by J Breezy on Dec 28, 2011 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I've thought about it long and hard for a long time.

I can’t name a back that played better in big games for any other team. Warner ALWAYS showed up.

Try to think about it. You may change your mind.

by rodney20 on Dec 28, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Just off the top of my head...

OJ Simpson
Tony Dorsett
Earl Campbell
Herschel Walker
Barry Sanders

That’s 5 in like 5 seconds who were better than Warner.

I hate to do this because I really like Warner. I loved watching him play. But I have to be honest with myself and he simply was not one of the top 5 college backs of all time. Outside of here his name never even comes up in such a discussion.

by J Breezy on Dec 28, 2011 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I think he meant at Penn State.

...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...

by jesse. on Dec 28, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

No, read it again.

He said in “all of college football”.

by J Breezy on Dec 28, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Ok...

Those are good ones.

Simpson and Dorsett are hard to beat.

The others…meh…I still think Warner was a better big time back. Hell, he owned Walker in the Sugar Bowl. Warner was undoubtedly faster than Campbell and Sanders. Sanders meant more to his team, but I just don’t think he cuts the mustard here.

by rodney20 on Dec 28, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Sanders almost had more yards in ones season...

…than Warner had in his entire career. He most certainly cuts the mustard, I think.

Earl Campbell was pretty darn fast. Not as quick as Warner, but nearly as fast. He destroyed guys. Check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uaPTIkiYSM

Warner was fast, but not as fast as you think. He was quick on the cuts and got to top speed quickly, but he wasn’t a SUPER burner on the straightaway (he didn’t have SEC speed!). Check it out here…on one of the TDs #22 from Syracuse catches him, just a little late. (You can also see my buddy miss him at the 1:12 mark – #34 for Temple….if it’s any consolation, he said he thought Warner was the best back he ever played against, but most of his teammates thought it was Herschel Walker). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJbSwFtAe70

by J Breezy on Dec 28, 2011 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Barry Sanders

was the greatest college running back ever. He was possibly the greatest NFL running back ever.

I, for one, plan to continue my life long contempt for the powers that be and I fully expect to be disappointed with whatever choice is made. ~PSUgirl

by jman07 on Dec 28, 2011 1:06 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I refuse to acknowledge the existence of a greatest college running back ever not named Jim Thorpe.

"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings

by ReadingRambler on Dec 28, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Touche

I, for one, plan to continue my life long contempt for the powers that be and I fully expect to be disappointed with whatever choice is made. ~PSUgirl

by jman07 on Dec 28, 2011 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I know you're an avid reader

there is a cool book out there about “the greatest game ever played”

involved Thorpe, Eisenhower, and Pop Warner

easy read for a quasi history book

"my dad says Michigan used to be good"

by hbeach08 on Dec 28, 2011 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Already read.

It was all right.

"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings

by ReadingRambler on Dec 28, 2011 9:11 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah a little fluffy

and idealistic, but cool anyway

"my dad says Michigan used to be good"

by hbeach08 on Dec 29, 2011 6:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Sanders was good...

in college and in the pros. No doubt. And he was a high quality person. Hard to not pull for a guy like that.

One of the best college backs, I agree. I’ll still take Warner over him. With Warner, you get a complete back that runs, blocks, and is like a #2 receiver out of the backfield.

In the pros, I still think Payton was the best RB ever. My dad always believed it was Gale Sayers.

by rodney20 on Dec 28, 2011 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

So your dad didn't watch football?

Kidding. It’s either Jim Brown or Walter Payton though.

"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13

by kijana's acl on Dec 28, 2011 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Amen.

That guy was durable as all hell, but totally overrated.

I agree with Walter Payton and Jim Brown a close second…but a lot of old timers I talk to agree on Gale Sayers. Only played like 8 years, but they love him.

by rodney20 on Dec 28, 2011 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

weird, my grandma

eats extremely rare steak

like raw

"my dad says Michigan used to be good"

by hbeach08 on Dec 28, 2011 6:30 PM EST up reply actions  

To be fair, not every old person likes well done steak.

However, every person who likes well done steak is old.

A pandemic of cowardice sweeps the nation.

by WorldBFat on Dec 28, 2011 6:36 PM EST up reply actions  

excellent point

"my dad says Michigan used to be good"

by hbeach08 on Dec 28, 2011 6:42 PM EST up reply actions  

if gale sayers lived

in an era where there was arthroscopic knee surgery, hed be greatest of all time. The guy only played 4 full seasons, only 3 before he tore his knee up.

by swiggy04 on Dec 28, 2011 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

With that putrid

offensive line and quarterback situation at Detroit its amazing what Sanders accomplished.

In my opinion there is no better running back in history that has as much talent as Barry Sanders.

"Publicity is like poison. It doesn't hurt unless you swallow it."

Joe Paterno

by The Heel on Dec 28, 2011 11:05 PM EST up reply actions  

the fact that sayers name is mentioned among the best ever

and he only played 3 full healthy seasons should say it all.

by swiggy04 on Dec 29, 2011 9:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Man, Rice sure taught their guys to tackle well.

I’ll take Warner over Campbell any day. But there’s no way Sanders is inferior.

"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings

by ReadingRambler on Dec 28, 2011 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, it's Rice.

But Warner’s highlights include some inferior teams as well. Heck, all the great ones do.

My favorite Campbell play is this one. Keep in mind that Isiah Robertson was a Pro Bowl linebacker, not some stiff from Rice or an NFL nobody. It’s just unreal how his whole body quivers from this hit. Campbell lined him up and just EXPLODED into him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsegJVLrmk8&feature=related

by J Breezy on Dec 28, 2011 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Ever see the film when Matt Millen blew

up Campbell? Seriously, I don’t know if it’s available on YouTube or anywhere else, but I remember when it happened.

by rodney20 on Dec 28, 2011 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I love Warner but

to take him over Barry Sanders is comical.

"Publicity is like poison. It doesn't hurt unless you swallow it."

Joe Paterno

by The Heel on Dec 28, 2011 11:06 PM EST up reply actions  

On PSU's '81 and '82 teams, Barry Sanders never

achieves the type of numbers he produced at Okie St.

Curt Warner still holds PSU’s record for the most 100 yard games by a RB. Curt Warner gained as many yards in his career as Paterno would allow.

by rodney20 on Dec 28, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

same as Ki

dude had like 80+ less carries and only 200 or so less yards than Salaam

"my dad says Michigan used to be good"

by hbeach08 on Dec 28, 2011 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

The fact that Rashaan Salaam won

the Heisman is conclusive proof that the trophy is a fraud.

by rodney20 on Dec 28, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

He would have made up the difference

in about 25 carries.

"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13

by kijana's acl on Dec 28, 2011 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

With that line?

Against the right team, maybe 12.

...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...

by jesse. on Dec 28, 2011 6:15 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Barry Sanders has a pretty good

argument to be the greatest running back of all time period.

He does more than cut mustard. You can say what you want of him, but you trade places with Sanders and Emmit Smith and Sanders has six superbowl rings and 20,000 yards rushing.

Easily.

"Publicity is like poison. It doesn't hurt unless you swallow it."

Joe Paterno

by The Heel on Dec 28, 2011 11:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Herschel is a Walker.

Warner is a runner.

"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings

by ReadingRambler on Dec 28, 2011 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I still have the button.

...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...

by jesse. on Dec 28, 2011 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Totally justifiable

Enis was aloof, alienated teammates, coaches, and fans, and created a litany of problems for himself, over, outside, and above any health issues. I loved him as a Nittany Lion, and he was maybe the best Penn State back I’ve seen play live, but Chicago fans are well within their rights to rue the day the franchise selected him.

I can’t remember what happened to Andre Johnson – did he have a health issue that cut short his career?

The depth of both my sadness and anger is unfathomable.

We (Still) Are...

by PSU_Buch on Dec 28, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

re: Johnson

no, he was woefully overrated by the skins and fell short of expectations

"my dad says Michigan used to be good"

by hbeach08 on Dec 28, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

As a Bears fan I could tell you

that Enis was pretty bad before that knee conditioned surfaced. I think he showed up to camps overweight alot, so much so that they moved him to fullback at one point. The knee stuff came out after he went to the Browns i think.

by swiggy04 on Dec 28, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Coughlin would be great hire for PSU

But would love Gruden

May no act.................

by SweepTheLeg on Dec 28, 2011 9:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Super Bowl rings,

player accountability, name recognition, familiarity with the Northeast, mental toughness. So what if he is 65 — he might have another 20 years of coaching left in him like Joe.

by Mo Humphrey on Dec 28, 2011 10:58 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Really?

Caughlin hasn’t coached in college since ND was winning NC’s. The legitimacy of him as a candidate aside, I don’t think it would make sense for an older guy (65) to take a job he would have to acclimate to for at least two years. Not a good situation in terms of recruiting. Regardless, I really don’t think he is a legit candidate anyway.

by Onestatewest on Dec 28, 2011 10:02 AM EST up reply actions  

If they have their guy

and I really don’t konw if they do, that makes the secrecy all the more impressive since there would necessarily be more people in the know.

I’m just afraid there is no secrecy and, in fact, there isn’t any story to leak because they haven’t moved forward on any one guy.

by Doboy36 on Dec 28, 2011 10:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Coughlin's job is not safe.

The Giants don’t believe in lame duck head coaches and Coughlin has one year remaining on his contract. Coughlin will get a one year extension if they beat the Cowboys; if the Giants lose, I’m not so sure they extend him after 3 years without a playoff appearance. Coughlin would then be fired without the extension.

Coughlin has always admired Paterno and the ideals PSU football stands for. I think Coughlin would be a great short-term fit if he becomes available.

by Mo Humphrey on Dec 28, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

agree with this but will also throw out Caldwell from Indy.

I could see him ahead of Munchak as a possibility. Someone to come in and stabilize the program. Wel.l liked guy, good offensive mind

I just read.

by BMAN13 on Dec 28, 2011 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

BOOOOOOOO

OOOOOOOOOO

A pandemic of cowardice sweeps the nation.

by WorldBFat on Dec 28, 2011 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Smithers, are they boo-ing me?

Uh…no. They’re saying boo-URNS, boo-URNS

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by jman07 on Dec 28, 2011 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Caldwell

I would be extremely disappointed if Caldwell was hired. He has done nothing in Indy for me to be confident in his abilities as a leader besides being smart enough to let Peyton do his thing on his own.

by Mo Humphrey on Dec 28, 2011 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

---

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by Peter Gray on Dec 28, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

I actually like Millen.

But I definitely don’t want him to be PSU’s next coach.

by J Breezy on Dec 28, 2011 8:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed on both counts.

Ew, she's presenting like a mandrill!

by icavalera on Dec 28, 2011 9:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Millen for AD

The depth of both my sadness and anger is unfathomable.

We (Still) Are...

by PSU_Buch on Dec 28, 2011 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Nope.

Definitely don’t want that either.

by J Breezy on Dec 28, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Millen for nothing

He destroyed the Detroit Lions. He took a playoff team and within a few years reduced them to the worst team in the history of the NFL.

How many wide recievers did he draft anyway?

It was ridiculous. And none of them amounted to jack.

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Joe Paterno

by The Heel on Dec 28, 2011 11:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I personally don't want a Richt/Stoops

It’s been said before; PSU ain’t a football factory, and I don’t want it to be. 9 wins average + 85%+ graduation + dealing with trouble in a meaningful way when your players find it isn’t for the “top tier” coaches. It takes a pretty unique makeup to do so…you have to be driven towards success in a very powerful way without the “tragic ambition” that gets you to the 10 wins and a MNC bid year in, year out level, and you have to view success more broadly than just football success. In short, you have to be not just a pure ball coach.

That’s why a “small” name doesn’t scare me that much. As long as we as alumni keep coming to football games 107,000+ at a time and the students keep screaming their asses off at night games, and as long as the new coach can find a way to preach tradition sans-sandusky, we’re good. A good x’s and o’s guy with charisma and a passion for the other “numbers that matter” at PSU, if not a name, works just fine by me.

by SkellerDweller06 on Dec 28, 2011 9:01 AM EST reply actions  

While Stoops would be huge from an immediate impact standpoint, Richt is my second choice (behind Petersen)

Richt won without oversigning. He turned down an interview for the Pitt job in 1998, because he didn’t see himself staying there 10+ years and he didn’t want to be a job hopper. His “crimes” (that I’m aware of) include paying assistants a bonus when UGA refused to do so. I’m not sure what his graduation rates are, but I don’t seem to recall his players getting into trouble at the same rate as Urbz boys at Florida. I think Richt would be a home run if he’s interested.

"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13

by kijana's acl on Dec 28, 2011 9:10 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd just be nervous of becoming, well, Georgia.

Starting every year highly ranked with well-rated recruiting class, only to lose an early game to an opponent you shouldn’t lose to.

"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84

by dbl5030 on Dec 28, 2011 9:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Kinda like

losing a B1G game to an opponent you shouldn’t lose to?

by PSU Mudder on Dec 28, 2011 10:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Next year's Nike t-shirts:

Tradition Sans Sandusky on the front with a logo on the back.

We link to the best of the past while simultaneously creating distance.

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by SubLime on Dec 28, 2011 9:24 AM EST up reply actions  

I just hope that the plant doesn't close

Because “that’s when the whores come in …Men laying their trick-money down, dollars to pay the rent? Maybe instead i’ll spend it on the whore. Whores running around doing their little behind shake for the men folk.”

Love that movie.

"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13

by kijana's acl on Dec 28, 2011 10:09 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Hey, if you want me to take a dump in a box and mark it guaranteed, I will

I got spare time. But for now, for your customer’s sake, for your daughter’s sake, ya might wanna think about buying a quality product from me.

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by jman07 on Dec 28, 2011 10:12 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I don't want Richt. Don't take a guy who placed 2nd to Meyer regularly

Unrelated, but Mike Stoops was supposed to be SCAR’s DC. They hired someone else

Some guy at Penn State Hershey just discovered a virus that eats cancer. Where were the CNN trucks for that? Now Someone at PSU found something that could cure Leukemia. Coverage? None. THON will probably break $10 mil this year. Put that on "Outside the Lines" you sanctimonious pricks!

by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Dec 28, 2011 9:18 AM EST reply actions  

I don't want Richt either.

To me, that’s a FAIL when you could have Tom Bradly is better (or at least as good) and way cheaper.

by PSUEnrg02 on Dec 28, 2011 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Bradley's better

That’s crazy talk.

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by Adam Collyer on Dec 28, 2011 12:17 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

No, it's not.

We can’t say Bradley is a better head coach than Richt because Bradley hasn’t been a head coach. But the rest of his qualifications make it anything but crazy talk.

"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings

by ReadingRambler on Dec 28, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

But that's exactly what PSUEnrg02 said

That Bradley is better than Richt as a head coach (presumably not referring to their womens volleyball coaching skills, where TB gets a narrow edge).

"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13

by kijana's acl on Dec 28, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

This Joe Averagefan fella

sounds smart. I like the cut of his jib.

by swiggy04 on Dec 28, 2011 9:24 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Wonder whether

he’s interested in the PSU head coaching job. Might as well consider him, too.

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by Tailgate Shogun on Dec 28, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

I've emerged from internet holiday vacaction

just to compliment JJ on invoking the Mr. Burns-esque “Joe Averagefan.”

“Let them have their… TAR-TAR sauce.”

Hope everyone is having a safe, happy holiday!

The depth of both my sadness and anger is unfathomable.

We (Still) Are...

by PSU_Buch on Dec 28, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Taunting the world/cryptic information

@sekrah was most likely referring to the Peterson rumors that were swirling around Christmas, right? Anyway, his silence on the matter the past couple days indicates that he was probably chasing a ghost.

by NittanyBlueHen on Dec 28, 2011 9:25 AM EST reply actions  

Probably just trying to get hits.

People are so desperate for information, they’ll listen to literally anyone who acts like they know something. There’s some guy on a message board who claims to have written the contracts for both the “Plan A” and “Plan B” guys. He has this huge following of people. I know there have always been people like that on boards, but this guy is taking it to another level.

"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84

by dbl5030 on Dec 28, 2011 9:30 AM EST up reply actions  

when people are retweeting "Sportsbybrooks"

it is quite easy to see the level of hysteria, and the need for very obviously made up information with no source behind it.

by swiggy04 on Dec 28, 2011 9:33 AM EST up reply actions  

So what's the skyline picture on @sekrah twitter?

Is that supposed to be a cryptic message of who the new superhire is? I have no idea where it is. It looks like futuristic skyscrapers without much urban sprawl and some desolate mountain. Is that what Boise, ID looks like?

by PSUCharmas on Dec 28, 2011 9:55 AM EST up reply actions  

ESPN is also reporting this. I won't link to ESPN, because Fuck ESPN

http://www.statecollege.com/news/columns/penn-state-football-coach-search-former-teammates-try-to-stay-mum-about-anticipated-munchak-hire-970105/

Some guy at Penn State Hershey just discovered a virus that eats cancer. Where were the CNN trucks for that? Now Someone at PSU found something that could cure Leukemia. Coverage? None. THON will probably break $10 mil this year. Put that on "Outside the Lines" you sanctimonious pricks!

by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Dec 28, 2011 9:25 AM EST reply actions  

its just another article of

“so and so is coming” says a few unnamed sources. And the the last two paragraphs are “so and so is not coming” opines a named source familiar with certain aspects, but no direct knowledge of, the candidate’s situation.

AKA “We still have no idea what is going on”

by swiggy04 on Dec 28, 2011 9:31 AM EST up reply actions  

I know, but it's still worth worth it. The Munchak thing certainly does seem to be gaining steam

Some guy at Penn State Hershey just discovered a virus that eats cancer. Where were the CNN trucks for that? Now Someone at PSU found something that could cure Leukemia. Coverage? None. THON will probably break $10 mil this year. Put that on "Outside the Lines" you sanctimonious pricks!

by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Dec 28, 2011 9:32 AM EST up reply actions  

its an interesting read for sure.

I know i read just about everything that gets linked about the search. Im just saying its crazy how literally everything you read follows the same pattern, and in the end you come away knowing nothing more, and in some cases less, about who the candidates are. Yet we keep going back for more.

by swiggy04 on Dec 28, 2011 9:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Human nature I guess

Also, it does somewhat strengthen a notion if it’s repeated multiple times. Oh well.

Some guy at Penn State Hershey just discovered a virus that eats cancer. Where were the CNN trucks for that? Now Someone at PSU found something that could cure Leukemia. Coverage? None. THON will probably break $10 mil this year. Put that on "Outside the Lines" you sanctimonious pricks!

by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Dec 28, 2011 9:40 AM EST up reply actions  

And just like that … it fizzled out

Munchak makes definite statement of ‘no’ for HC job.

by PSUinOH on Dec 28, 2011 12:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Thank you for continuing the boycott of tWWL.

My kids were actually pissed we had to watch the last few bowl games on their channels. “Dad, make sure you change the channel at halftime so we don’t have to listen to their crap”.

Love my kids.

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One equal temper of heroic hearts

by SarcasmJam on Dec 28, 2011 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

ESPN's year in review didnt list one hockey player on its "in memorium"

despite, you know, an entire team being killed in a plane crash, a current NHL’er dying, and a 23 year old college player dying from leukemia that they even did a human interest story on a year before. Its creating quite an uproar around the web.

ESPN doesn’t have a financial interest in promoting hockey, so they don’t give it the time of day. Similar to how the NFL on ESPN became 24 hours a day when they got Monday Night football (and 12 hours a day when they merged with ABC), and how the SEC somehow became the greatest football conference ever around the same time that they shelled out for a lucrative TV rights contract.

Here is a good article if you are interested in the disparity on the year in review from a hockey standpoint

by swiggy04 on Dec 28, 2011 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Holy crap

That is horrendous.

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by 06Lion on Dec 28, 2011 10:36 AM EST up reply actions  

i think

actually CBS is more in cohoots with the SEC. Not that ESPN hasn’t. They actually have almost as invested in the Big Ten. Being they hold the first tier rights. They have won the last 5 NC’s. That’s going to get pub. no matter what conference it is.

We Are!!!!!!

by kingofsmoke on Dec 28, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

I think his point is that

the SEC basically gets an automatic bid to the NC because the voters are so in love with them. And the voters are so in love with them because ESPN yells the loudest and most often.

"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84

by dbl5030 on Dec 28, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

I think until somebody beats them.

They’ve earned it.

...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...

by jesse. on Dec 28, 2011 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

It's a brave new world.

...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...

by jesse. on Dec 28, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Well maybe an SEC team can beat the SEC champ in a Bowl Game.

Everybody else has had a chance.

...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...

by jesse. on Dec 28, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

My point was mostly that the SEC is so hyped now,

that no other conference is considered good enough to even go. I have serious doubts as to how good Bama really was this year. And in all honesty, I’m not convinced that Bama is better than Oregon, OK State or Stanford.

by ppfcpp on Dec 28, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not sold on Wisky either

Playing at home, I’d take them over Bama. But on the road they just don’t seem to be able to cut it.

by ppfcpp on Dec 28, 2011 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Alabama would kill Wisconsin in Alabama and beat them solidly in Madison.

McCarron wouldn’t be sacked once and Richardson would take advantage of a relatively mediocre Wisconsin run defense. Even with homefield holding (A Madison tradition since forever!), I don’t think Wisconsin would open enough holes for the run game to be consistent and I doubt Wilson could win the game singlehandedly against that secondary.

"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings

by ReadingRambler on Dec 28, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't they've earned both spots in the BCS Championship game.

Like we’ve always said, when the SEC beats itself up it’s “OMG THEY’RE ALL SO GOOD”, and when the B1G does so it’s “ROFL 3 YARDS AND A CLOUD OF DUST THESE TEAMS SUCK AND THEY’RE BORING.”

"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84

by dbl5030 on Dec 28, 2011 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I actually thought both games were good.

But the PSU/OSU game was better because it was much better played. Very few mistakes in that game. I think PSU had only one penalty and it was declined. TP had the one huge mistake and the game changed on it. Until then both teams moved the ball well between the 20s, but the good Ds on both teams eventually stopped them.

Contrast that to the ridiculous typical games in the Big 12 where little D is played and mistakes galore lead to high scores. ESPN then tells us what a great game it was when really it was poorly played fundamentally.

by J Breezy on Dec 28, 2011 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

or the "game of the century"

that featured an abundance of penalties, turnovers, and special teams miscues. And 12 points during regulation.

If it was a team from any other conference, the “Alabama” would’ve just played itself out of a shot for the national championship.

"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84

by dbl5030 on Dec 28, 2011 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Good point. There's NO way under identical cirucumstances...

….if the team is named Penn State that it gets a second shot (even without the scandal).

by J Breezy on Dec 28, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Remember 2008

Penn State lost by 1 to 9-4 Iowa on the road on a last second kick in 2008
Florida lost by 1 at home to 9-4 Ole Miss on a game they had to come back to win

The Penn State loss was just proof they werent that good.

Yet the spin on the FLorida loss was “Goes to show you anyone can beat anyone in the SEC”

Thanks in large part to that spin, Florida went on to play in and win the national title that year.

by swiggy04 on Dec 28, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

CBS may have as big a stake but they dont have the outlet ESPN has to

hype it up on a daily basis. the SEC always had two teams in the national title hunt, going back to the early 90s with Bama and Florida, then it was Florida and Tennessee, then LSU and Auburn. For a long time the SEC has been two great teams a year and 10 nonsense teams, and until 4 or 5 years ago, we took that for what it was worth. Now the 10 “other” teams are forgotten about and the SEC is the world’s greatest. When people talk about why the Big Ten “sucks” its cause of Indiana, Minnesota and Purdue. Yet no one ever mentions Vanderbilt, Kentucky, or Mississippi State.

Look no further than a 13-10 PSU win over Ohio State being slow and boring, but a 6-3 LSU win over Bama being the game of the year on some sites. Do you think we’d have a rematch of Bama and LSU if only CBS had an interest?

by swiggy04 on Dec 28, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

and by the way, I won't be watching the rematch.

even my wife said, didn’t they already play?

I just read.

by BMAN13 on Dec 28, 2011 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

If it is Munchack

And I don’t think that it is, it would make sense to keep it quiet until the end of the year. Lest he fall into the Bobby Petrino vein on one off merks that didn’t finish a season.

While nobody knows anything, you can safely rule out any coach who’s season has been over for more than 48 hours.

...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...

by jesse. on Dec 28, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Is "merks" short for merkins?

A pandemic of cowardice sweeps the nation.

by WorldBFat on Dec 28, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

I think it's short for "mercenaries"

But calling bobby petrino a merkin has its own appeal

by newenglandnittanylion on Dec 28, 2011 11:38 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

yeah I like my way better for sure

A pandemic of cowardice sweeps the nation.

by WorldBFat on Dec 28, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

As a survivor of 2 ridiculous coaching searches...

just want to say I feel for you guys. I personally think Bradley would be the best hire at this point, but they obviously want to go with fresh blood, or they would have named him already.

I know the lack of info is frustrating, but it is for the best. Biggest thing you don’t want is for names to leak out slowly, which forces on-the-record denials by those coaches which makes the job seem like no one wants it. Then you will be lucky to have Bradley still around to be Plan Z.

by Wlvrn99 on Dec 28, 2011 9:32 AM EST reply actions  

Read this thread for a good laugh

http://www.musiccitymiracles.com/2011/12/28/2665462/report-mike-munchak-favorite-for-penn-state-opening#comments

it’s nice to see we’re all cultists and whatnot

Either that, or the geneneneral Tennerseee educayshion is rearin’ it’s darn head

(Sorta)

Some guy at Penn State Hershey just discovered a virus that eats cancer. Where were the CNN trucks for that? Now Someone at PSU found something that could cure Leukemia. Coverage? None. THON will probably break $10 mil this year. Put that on "Outside the Lines" you sanctimonious pricks!

by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Dec 28, 2011 9:44 AM EST reply actions  

Glad to see that facts aren't important to the majority of people
Mike Munchak will not leave being an NFL head coach after his rookie season to coach for a scandal-ridden university that allowed its defensive coordinator to get away with molesting young boys for several years.

I, for one, plan to continue my life long contempt for the powers that be and I fully expect to be disappointed with whatever choice is made. ~PSUgirl

by jman07 on Dec 28, 2011 9:50 AM EST up reply actions  

also the guy says hes just being real

which is funny, since, you know, he isnt.

and he calls himself an idiot in his sig line. so maybe that is what he is being real about.

by swiggy04 on Dec 28, 2011 9:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Only non-homerish thing said...
he went to school there and might feel a powerful sense of historical duty to take the job and attempt to pick up that fallen flag and march forward, vindicating their once good name.

People never want to think their coach would take a job elsewhere because fans naturally think very highly of their team and the value of the HC job.

Munchak is in a weird spot in that this isn’t some random NFL team, but one he’s been at for a long time. However, the ‘duty’ aspect would definitely be a strong pull.

by NittanyBlueHen on Dec 28, 2011 9:56 AM EST up reply actions  

meh..

He’d being f’ing over an organization he’s been part of for 30 years.

11/9/11 - the day the music died.
The bitter with the better.

by Esteban d' Amur on Dec 28, 2011 10:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes he would...

and I pointed out that I’m sure he feels strongly for the Titans org. But being recruited by fellow alums and old teammates saying things like “the school needs you, the team needs you” etc could be convincing.

by NittanyBlueHen on Dec 28, 2011 10:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe...

but if he leaves the Titans after 1 year, he will never get another job in the NFL.

11/9/11 - the day the music died.
The bitter with the better.

by Esteban d' Amur on Dec 28, 2011 10:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe he isn't all that enthusiastic about being an NFL HC?

I don’t know what drives the guy. But maybe becoming the HC at Tennessee or any other NFL team wasn’t the end-all be-all for him. And maybe being the HC at PSU isn’t either. But if he is a Paterno kind of guy, one that really took the lessons from Joe to heart, the draw of coming back to help the program that Joe built and restore some dignity to it has got to be intense.

If he leaves Tennessee for this position, then he has my solid support and my belief that he’ll run things the right way.

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by 06Lion on Dec 28, 2011 10:09 AM EST up reply actions  

You could be right...

but he’s been an NFL lifer. I would fully support him a coach of course.

11/9/11 - the day the music died.
The bitter with the better.

by Esteban d' Amur on Dec 28, 2011 10:13 AM EST up reply actions  

True

But if he lasts 5-10 years at PSU, he’s not getting (or going to need) another job either.

"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13

by kijana's acl on Dec 28, 2011 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

excellent point.

11/9/11 - the day the music died.
The bitter with the better.

by Esteban d' Amur on Dec 28, 2011 10:13 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't know; these are unique circumstances

It’s not like Munchak is screwing over his team for greener pastures or a bigger paycheck; he’s not Bobby Petrino. If he comes to Penn State, he will be doing so to come to the aid of his embattled alma mater. I would certainly feel bad for Titans fans, but I’d hope they’d understand at least a little.

by newenglandnittanylion on Dec 28, 2011 10:17 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Munchak has been my top choice since I first learned about his candidacy

Well, Bradley and LJSr are my real top choices, but I don’t think they have a chance.

I’ve liked everything I’ve heard about Munchak. If we manage to get him, I think the hire would rival Urban to OSU as the best in the country this season—and that’s not even taking into account the degree of difficulty Penn State has faced.

by newenglandnittanylion on Dec 28, 2011 9:49 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

This is all you need to know
to coach for a scandal-ridden university that allowed its defensive coordinator to get away with molesting young boys for several years.

About what the average american thinks about the facts of this scandal.

by swiggy04 on Dec 28, 2011 9:51 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Thanks for stealing my thunder swigs

I, for one, plan to continue my life long contempt for the powers that be and I fully expect to be disappointed with whatever choice is made. ~PSUgirl

by jman07 on Dec 28, 2011 9:52 AM EST up reply actions  

you actually beat me to it

and replied to the correct post.

you win.

by swiggy04 on Dec 28, 2011 9:52 AM EST up reply actions  

I want to join that site

just to correct that guy but I know it isn’t worth the time/effort.

I, for one, plan to continue my life long contempt for the powers that be and I fully expect to be disappointed with whatever choice is made. ~PSUgirl

by jman07 on Dec 28, 2011 9:52 AM EST up reply actions  

You can just read and laugh. It's what I do

Some guy at Penn State Hershey just discovered a virus that eats cancer. Where were the CNN trucks for that? Now Someone at PSU found something that could cure Leukemia. Coverage? None. THON will probably break $10 mil this year. Put that on "Outside the Lines" you sanctimonious pricks!

by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Dec 28, 2011 9:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Great slings at TN

You guys get your ass in a sling b/c of some sportswriter who’s no better or worse than anywhere else and start shooting from the keyboard, when in fact from Nashville to Knoxville TN is very similar to the best parts of PA. Just a great state, absolutely beautiful in the fall and spring.

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by pennst92 on Dec 28, 2011 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

I vacationed in Tennessee in 2010.

It was great. It is a beautiful state with a lot to offer. I wouldn’t mind living there.

by J Breezy on Dec 28, 2011 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

I have nothing but compliments for everything east of Nashville.

It’s great. Best mountain country in the United States.

The west (And especially – shudder – Memphis) has its niceties, and I don’t want to generalize too much, but a lot of it is a mixture of too flat, too redneck, too broke, too corrupt, too criminal and so forth. Nashville itself hates real country music so I hate them.

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by ReadingRambler on Dec 28, 2011 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

My pops lives in Knoxville

I personally don’t care for the city, but the Smoky Mountains are beautiful. Did a little hunting there a few times.

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by 06Lion on Dec 28, 2011 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

To quote that Alabama guy on Youtube

“I hate Nayland [sic] Stadium; it look like a garbage truck worker convention. I hate Phillip Fulmer. I hate all they quarterbacks.”

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by ReadingRambler on Dec 28, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

I get the reason for these sort of comments...

but I lived in Nashville for 8 years and the only thing that made me want to leave was the fact that I couldn’t get decent seafood anywhere. Drive 20 minutes outside of the city and I wouldn’t have been able to tell you I wasn’t in central PA except it’s about 10 degrees warmer on average.

As a Titans fan, I can understand why they wouldn’t be happy about this, especially because expectations were so low this season and they’ve been exceeded (i.e., they have reason to be excited about the future).

That said, I think Munch would be a good hire at PSU and my loyalties lie much more strongly with PSU… so let it be so.

by BNittsDeMilo on Dec 28, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

How on earth would Muchak rival Urban to OSU?

EVERYONE knows who Urban Meyer is – he’s considered one of the two or three best coaches in college football. Recruits will flock to him at OSU based on his name alone. Meanwhile, if not for this search I, and many people I’ve talked to who follow football as least as closely as I do, have NO IDEA who Mike Munchak is. Many recruits, like me, will also have never heard of him. Just being from the NFL does not make you a draw – and Munchak isn’t even a well-known NFL guy. He’s an NFL no name. He MIGHT be a great choice for a coach, but there’s no way you can consider him a home run hire.

by PSUEnrg02 on Dec 28, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Tell that to Al Groh.

Nobody knew him, but he sold the “I’ve got NFL contacts and will get you to the pros” into top 15 recruiting classes at VIRGINIA year after year. Now, he couldn’t coach, but he sold the NFL after one season as a coach and it flat out worked.

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by PSUinBOSSton on Dec 28, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Al Groh, Charlie Weiss, Dave Wannstadt, Bill Calahan

IMO the list of NFL coaches that failed at the college level has gotten large enough that it’s no longer the guaranteed pull that it was five years ago. Being a NAME guy from the NFL – someone who’s had a lot of success there, like Cowher or Gruden, that would be different. But not someone who’s a virtual unknown.

by PSUEnrg02 on Dec 28, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

But out of that list, I think only Callahan couldn't recruit

I don’t think the problem was that the other guys couldn’t pull in top classes, it was that they were just bad head coaches.

by GMac14 on Dec 28, 2011 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes, they could recruit back then, because previously there wasn't a long list

of failed former NFL guy college HCs. Meyer can say he’s put way more players into the pro’s than Mike Munchak can – because I’ve put as many guys into the NFL as Mike Munchak has.

And all this ignores the great lie that is a coach can put a guy in the NFL. A coach can impact your draft status to a degree, but if you have natural talent, you’ll get in the NFL one way or the other. If you don’t, you won’t know matter how great your coach was in college.

by PSUEnrg02 on Dec 28, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

That might be true

but you don’t think that 17 and 18 year old kids wouldn’t believe that he could? 17 and 18 year olds are some special kind of stupid. You could sell them sand in the desert.

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by jman07 on Dec 28, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

That's true

But than Munchak can counter with, “how many games has Urban Meyer played of college or professional football?” None. Great. Well I’m in the Hall of Fame. So who do you trust knows more about the NFL?

I’m not saying that I think Munchak would be a home run hire….I’m not sure I’m sold on him either. But I guess he’d be able to hold his own when it comes to bringing in top talent.

by GMac14 on Dec 28, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

, "how many games has Urban Meyer played of college or professional football?"

IMO that’s a ridiculously stupid argument. Few great players make great coaches. Lots of guys who were average, poor, or not players at all are fabulous coaches.

by PSUEnrg02 on Dec 28, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

But again, these are high school kids we are talking about

Their dream is to play in the NFL. Whether they started or were 4th string, that’s what they want to do. And if someone comes to their home and says they were in the NFL, that has more cred than just someone who has coached.

by GMac14 on Dec 28, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

High school kids AND their parents.

And why would ‘just being from the NFL’ be more of a pull than a guy who’s put DOZENS of kids there? It’s not like you get to go to the NFL by absorbing it from a guy through osmosis.

And again, only one thing really puts you in the NFL – NATURAL TALENT.

by PSUEnrg02 on Dec 28, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

But again, you're being way too rational about this

Your arguements are correct, but that’s not what high school kids think. I’m a high school baseball coach and I deal with kids picking colleges all the time. No matter who they are, they always believe they can go D1 and to a big school and get drafted. It’s just how kids think.

You aren’t making bad points or illogical points, it’s just that kids don’t think that way.

by GMac14 on Dec 28, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

You assume they want to win in college.

That is not as important to many of them as is making the pros. How many teams draft winners? How many draft the top perceived talent? It is an argument, and a persuasive one, that knowing the NFL evaluation process inside and out is more important for getting a player to the pros than winning in college.

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by PSUinBOSSton on Dec 28, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

That's right - the NFL drafts TALENT

And being coached by a guy who spent some time doing something in the NFL does not improve on a players’ talent. Getting coached by a guy who has put a lot of guys in the NFL might help though.

by PSUEnrg02 on Dec 28, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think anyone disagrees with you

But that doesn’t change the fact that the “I have NFL experience” card has worked time and time again. You can disagree with the principle all you want, but you’ll have a hard time pointing out an example where it hasn’t worked.

by ppfcpp on Dec 28, 2011 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Which all of those guys did.

They put talent in the NFL, the just didn’t win games.

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by PSUinBOSSton on Dec 28, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think Wannstache or Weiss put any more talent in the NFL

than Meyer, Saban, etc . Probably a lot less, since their stints were short lived because they were all horrible college coaches.

by PSUEnrg02 on Dec 28, 2011 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

You seem to have this idea that there is only one way to recruit

No one is saying that Meyer and Saban can’t recruit. What is being argued is that having NFL ties instantly makes it easier for a guy to recruit. Wannstache and Weiss had plenty of great recruiting classes, and sent quite a few players to the NFL. That isn’t to say Saban and Meyer didn’t ALSO do well recruiting. It just means that the “NFL ties” pitch worked for Wannstache and Weiss.

by ppfcpp on Dec 28, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree that it makes it 'easier.'

I disagree that it’s any sort of a trump card, or that it means automatic recruiting success. It may have in the past, for a short time before the coaches’ teams sucked. But now I think too many NFL guys have failed for it to be a huge deal in college. The exception would be a very well known, SUCCESSFUL NFL HC, like Cowher or Gruden. Those guys would clean up just by saying ‘Hi, I’m Bill Cowher.’ No additional recruiting skill would be needed. Not so – not even close – for a relative unknown like Mike Munchak.

by PSUEnrg02 on Dec 28, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

And I think the edge it gives is a lot more than you think

Sure, it isn’t a trump card, but it’s a huge headstart. It’s proven time and time again to work, and I really haven’t seen many example where it hasn’t worked.

by ppfcpp on Dec 28, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

You are being too rational.

The coach says getting drafted is all about having the contacts, and he has the contacts and knows how the teams evaluate. He tells you he can work the system, and as a 16-18 year old you believe him. Just how it goes. And the recruits don’t evaluate the history of failed former NFL HCs. The bottom line is, it’s a recruiting pitch. And as history has shown, it is a damn effective one. That is not going away for wide eyed short sighted teenagers.

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by PSUinBOSSton on Dec 28, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

But the 'history' of effectiveness was when being an NFL guy coaching

in college was more of a novelty. It’s not a novelty any more. I don’t know how you can ignore the horrible track record. If the player isn’ aware of the horrible track record, you’d better believe Urban Meyer et. al. will make make damn sure they’re aware of it.

by PSUEnrg02 on Dec 28, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

And I don't know

how you can ignore the fact that it works time and time again. Look at Sherman at A&M, he is a terrible coach but got recruits there too.

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by jman07 on Dec 28, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I still don't think hat matters.

Kids want to go to the NFL. Coach says “I have NFL contacts.” Kids hear that and they go there. It really is that simple.

by ppfcpp on Dec 28, 2011 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

You don't think they were doing it to Wannstaches, Weis, Groh etc?

They were, and it still worked. How can you ignore that so easily?

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by PSUinBOSSton on Dec 28, 2011 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn't ignore it.

I wrote that it WORKED back when it was a relative NOVELTY, and before there was a long list of NFL coaches who sucked in college. Just being a no name from the NFL isn’t going to trump being Urban Meyer or Nick Saban or Les Miles.

by PSUEnrg02 on Dec 28, 2011 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

So when is your cutoff?

When did it stop being a novelty? Bill Walsh coached Stanford in the early 90s, so it’s been going on for 20+ years. I don’t think it is a “novelty”

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by jman07 on Dec 28, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Within the last year or two

After all those guys have been proven BUSTS at the college level. Even Walsh was poor when he came back from the NFL.

by PSUEnrg02 on Dec 28, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Because NFL coaches did so great

before the last year or two. Most NFL coaches who come to coach college are busts. But that has never stopped them from recruiting well. I don’t understand why that is such a hard concept for you to understand.

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by jman07 on Dec 28, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

They recruited will in the past before there was

a long list of busts. Now the busts way outnumber Pete Carrol. I’m not saying it won’t help get a guy’s foot in the door. I’m saying it no way guarantees recruiting success for the best recruits. He’ll need additional recruiting prowess far beyond being from the NFL to be successful.

by PSUEnrg02 on Dec 28, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

That's the point that

everybody is making. Obviously a kid won’t come for that reason alone but you better believe that would in the top 3 reasons.

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by jman07 on Dec 28, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

No, the point most are making is that

Being from the NFL = automatic recruiting domination. I say BS. It can help, but if you’re not a great recruiter IN ADDITION to that, you’re not beating Urban Meyer, let alone Mark D’Antonio, for a recruit.

by PSUEnrg02 on Dec 28, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

i think within one year of returning to Stanford

Walsh won the Pac 10, beat Penn State and finished in the top 10

by swiggy04 on Dec 28, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

i still dont understand who the no name in the NFL is?

A guy who is head coach of an NFL team with a .500 record or better this year? Or a guy in the NFL hall of Fame? Or a guy with 9 pro bowls? or a guy on the All Decade team for the 1980s?

by swiggy04 on Dec 28, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Me and my friends are huge PSU fans and NFL fans.

But we couldn’t list more than half the coaches in the NFL, because there’s so much turnover, and none of us had ever heard of Mike Munchak before the Penn State coaching search. I’m sure I heard his name mentioned at some point while watching a NFL preview show, but that doesn’t mean I KNEW who he was.

by PSUEnrg02 on Dec 28, 2011 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Well if your friends didn't know who Muchak was

that’s a different story entirely

since those guys know everyone

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by kijana's acl on Dec 28, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

What?

I already stated we couldn’t name more than half of the NFL HCs. The point being, that guys who follow the NFL pretty closely don’t know him, plenty of kids and their parents who aren’t enormous PSU or Titans fans wouldn’t either.

by PSUEnrg02 on Dec 28, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Just mocking the idea that it's not you (alone)

who holds this position, but now unnamed but knowledgable friends. Silliness.

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by kijana's acl on Dec 28, 2011 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

they cant follow it that closely if they dont know him

sorry but its not possible. His NFL credentials are absurd. I cannot believe for a second that if you follow the NFL as closely as you say, you didnt know a guy who is a HC, in the HOF, All Decade, and was one of the all time greats at a school you also say you follow closely.

Nothing personal, I just cant buy that. I think you are merely saying it to help your odd point that he is a “no-name”

by swiggy04 on Dec 28, 2011 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

All that happened before I started following the NFL

or Penn State. I can’t list every Steelers HOF player, but I watch as many Steelers games as I can. I could probably not list more than a quarter of Penn State’s All American’s, but I care enough about Penn State to post on a message board.

by PSUEnrg02 on Dec 28, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

hes head coach now

so how did that happen before you started following the NFL.

You dont have to know everyone that is in the hall of fame, but to not know one of the five guys from Penn State enshrined, who both played for the school and in the NFL when you were alive is unfathomable. In fact to not know all the NFL coaches who ever played at Penn State is fine, but to not know the one Penn State alum who is a CURRENT NFL head coach, for someone who claims to follow both Penn State and NFL “closely” is also pretty remarkable.

I still think you are just saying this stuff to back up your ridiculous claim that he is somehow a no name.

by swiggy04 on Dec 28, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Callahan, Wanstache, etc. were failed NFL coaches

There is a difference here.

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by kijana's acl on Dec 28, 2011 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

One year in the NFL does not a track record make.

He’s not failed or successful after one year. He’s an unknown.

by PSUEnrg02 on Dec 28, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

He's had what, 10-15 years as one of the best OL coaches in the NFL?

And greatly exceeded expectations in his first year as HC. Not to mention how great he was as a player. It may be early to call him a successful NFL head coach, but I think it’s safe to say he isn’t an unknown.

by ppfcpp on Dec 28, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

The distinction - since you keep missing it

is that the other guys FAILED. They had no other NFL options. Munchak – though it appears he’s not coming to PSU – would, if he left, be leaving of his own volition. There’s a difference whether you choose to see it or not.

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by kijana's acl on Dec 28, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

He has no track record to point to!

He didn’t fail, and he didn’t succeed.

by PSUEnrg02 on Dec 28, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Right, but he could stay with his job

The other guys didn’t have that option. Wannstache couldn’t stay with the Dolphins. Sherman couldn’t stay with the Packers. Callahan couldn’t stay with the Raiders. Munchak can – and appears to be willing to – stay with the Titans.

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by kijana's acl on Dec 28, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think quitting before it's possible

to get fired is that much better than getting fired. He has no track record. He’s not a successful NFL HC. He’s not a big name. Recruits will not be impressed just because of the name ‘Mike Munchak’ like they would Urban Meyer, Nick Saban, or Peterson if he came here.

by PSUEnrg02 on Dec 28, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Like talking to a wall

I’m done.

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by kijana's acl on Dec 28, 2011 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

That also ignores the fact that even if those teams didn't win,

they put kids in the pros. At a much greater rate than the coach before them. You can’t think about it logically, you have to think like a teenagers who wants to play in the NFL. Groh did not pull all that talent away from VT, FSU etc because he promised them wins and good coaching. He promised them a better chance at the NFL.

You don’t think the Weis, Groh, Wannstedt et al had other coaches arguing that there were loads of failed NFL guys before them making the same promises? Of course they did. And it still worked. The pitch pulls top recruits. It just does.

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by PSUinBOSSton on Dec 28, 2011 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Well not I'm not sure what argument you are having.

One, being a QB coach and being an NFL coach are very different. Two, nobody is saying Meyer can’t recruit. He has proven he can both recruit and win games. But Munchak absolutely compete with him for top talent due to his NFL experience. He would lose plenty to Meyer, but he would win plenty of recruiting battles too.

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by PSUinBOSSton on Dec 28, 2011 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

That is an ENORMOUS assumption.

We don’t know if Munchak has any ability to recruit HS players AT ALL. Being from the NFL will help, but it’s NOT a be all end all. Being Bill Cowher – sure. But Munchak will have to do a hell of a lot more than say ‘I coached the Titans for a year’ and show a picture of himself with his NFL HOF bust to lure kids away from the best recruiters in college. And we have NO IDEA if he can do any of it.

by PSUEnrg02 on Dec 28, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

It's not an assumption at all.

It continues to work. Weis was never a HC, Groh was a one and done. Both pulled top classes and great players. Lots of those players went to the NFL. You don’t think Munchak could hire an assistant who knows the mechanics of recruiting? All you have to do is get him in front of the kids and let him talk about the NFL and the talent evaluation process. No assumption about it, it has and continues to work. I’m certain that Saban relies on it plenty.

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by PSUinBOSSton on Dec 28, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

You can't say it continues to work today by using an example

from the past. Again, if we hired Groh today, would he be a great recruiter because he spent time in the NFL, or would he be average at best because he and a lot of other guys from the NFL have proven to be crappy college coaches?

by PSUEnrg02 on Dec 28, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

He would not be hired because he can't win.

But he would recruit. You ignore the fact that Groh kept losing, but kept pulling top classes. Same with all those other guys. The results weren’t there on the field, but the top talent kept signing on anyway.

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by PSUinBOSSton on Dec 28, 2011 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

That's not what I asked.

I asked if he would be able to recruit if we hired him. After all, winning doesn’t matter to these kids – just getting into the NFL, right.

by PSUEnrg02 on Dec 28, 2011 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Butch Davis sure kept getting recruits

and those UNC teams sucked.

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by jman07 on Dec 28, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Bingo.

Same with Wannstedt, same with Groh, same with Weis. On and on and on.

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by PSUinBOSSton on Dec 28, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Recruiting at all those schools

was not as good at the end as it was at the beginning. Winning matters. Most NFL coaches don’t.

by PSUEnrg02 on Dec 28, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

And I answered.

Yes, he would be able to recruit. Especially showing how many players from average UVA teams he put in the NFL using his contacts and knowledge of the process.

You claim I am using old example, but you are saying that it hasn’t happened yet but will stop working going forward? That doesn’t make any sense to me. Until it stops working, it is still working.

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by PSUinBOSSton on Dec 28, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

You and I are definitely going to have to stop now

IMO there is NO WAY Groh could could to PSU today and out recruit Meyer or Beliema. NO WAY. Because he failed. And the fact that he and so many have failed means that it’s going to be harder for future NFL guys to come to college and use that experience as a trump card.

You’re right that we haven’t seen it yet – but IMO that well is drying up. If we hire an NFL guy, we’ll find out who’s right and who’s wrong.

by PSUEnrg02 on Dec 28, 2011 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

We will end it, but you are still misrepresenting my point.

One, he didn’t fail at putting kids in the NFL. He was very successful at that. Two, no one is saying he would flat out beat Meyer in recruiting rankings every year. But he would beat him on some top players, and he would get top recruiting classes. He only needs to point to his NFL knowledge and list of players Swiggy points out below.

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by PSUinBOSSton on Dec 28, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

look at some of the guys Groh got

DBrickashaw Ferguson, Chris Long, Ahmad Brooks was the USA Today High School Defensive Player of the Year, Brandon Alberts, RasI Dowling, Heath Miller, Jason Snelling.

by swiggy04 on Dec 28, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

So we need to use an example from the future?

what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

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by jman07 on Dec 28, 2011 12:42 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

You're trying to use a bunch of examples

of guys who were failed college coaches to say they could recruit before they failed. I’m saying the fact that so many have failed will affect the future ability of NFL coaches who aren’t big names to recruit just because they are from the NFL. It’s a premise that can’t be tested using historical data.

by PSUEnrg02 on Dec 28, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea

it’s a premise that can’t be tested at all. That means it’s a giant assumption on your part.

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by jman07 on Dec 28, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Your assumption

has no basis in fact, history, stats, etc. It’s pure conjecture on your part. Our stance has stats, history, etc on our side. We can reference what has happened to show why we believe it will continue.

You’re free to do whatever you want but don’t be surprised when you’re called out on it.

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by jman07 on Dec 28, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

But they didn't fail, not in getting talent, and

not in putting them in the NFL. They didn’t win games and it eventually cost them their jobs. But the fulfilled their promise to a lot of those teenagers and got them into the NFL.

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by PSUinBOSSton on Dec 28, 2011 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

you keep equating a great recruiter with a great coach

thats where you are getting in trouble. NFL experience is a huge card to play with potential recruits because they want a guy who can train them to play at the next level.

However NFL experience doesnt make you a great X’s and O’s gameday coach who is going to win national championships, or even be able to gel all these top players together.

NFL experience is great for recruiting. That doesnt mean it wins championships. Separate the two and you will understand what the people arguing against you are actually saying.

by swiggy04 on Dec 28, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

That's the dumbest thing I've seen today

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by jman07 on Dec 28, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

And again, most 17 year olds aren't the idiots you're making them out to be,

And for the ones that are, you’re not giving big name college coaches nearly enough credit in their ability to counter the arguments you’ve listed from ‘generic NFL guy number 2.’

by PSUEnrg02 on Dec 28, 2011 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't want to jump into this bizarre argument, but:
And again, most 17 year olds aren’t the idiots you’re making them out to be

You’re right, they ALL are.

A pandemic of cowardice sweeps the nation.

by WorldBFat on Dec 28, 2011 12:22 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

I'll never forget reading about a kid from a Pgh city school...

…who said he picked WVU because he liked their uniforms. This was probably about 12 – 15 years ago.

by J Breezy on Dec 28, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Horseshit. If that were the case Penn State would never

have beaten Pitt for a recruit while Wannstadt was there.

by PSUEnrg02 on Dec 28, 2011 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

No, not what anyone is saying.

But the point is that Wannstedt beat PSU for a lot of top recruits that he had no business beating them for. And it’s because he peddled his NFL credentials. There are plenty of years that rankings will indicate that Wannstedt outrecrecruited PSU. If it were a novelty then he wouldn’t have kept pulling top classes while losing games. But he did.

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by PSUinBOSSton on Dec 28, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

It worked for a couple of years - back when it was still

a relative novelty. But then when his teams sucked his recruiting fell off. And then he was fired.

by PSUEnrg02 on Dec 28, 2011 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

That's not accurate, not to my recollection.

He was putting together a top 15 recruiting class the DAY he was fired. He was fired for losing more than the top quality players he recruited justified. But he was getting those players up until the last day.

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by PSUinBOSSton on Dec 28, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Really?
But the point is that Wannstedt beat PSU for a lot of top recruits that he had no business beating them for.

McCoy? Penn State basically passed on him, and to the extent we didn’t, it was a depth chart issue. Graham? My understanding was that we’d never even heard of him.

Pitt got, and will always get, their fair share of the WPIAL legacy kids. But a ton of those kids have inflated star rankings, and the best ones are not even going to Penn State anymore. They are going to Ohio State and Michigan.

Point being, Wannstedt recruited well. He didn’t out recruit Penn State, the on field results speak to that pretty conclusively.

...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...

by jesse. on Dec 28, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

To an extent...

Wannstdet saying the he wants to dominating recruiting in Western Pennsylvania is like me saying I want to pick the best shirt out of my closet every morning.

In his instance it spoke directly to what his fan base wanted to hear, and it was easily accomplished, insofar as I really don’t think Walt Harris did markedly worse in the area. To the extent he didn’t Walt Harris made up for it by being a better recruiter everywhere else in the known universe. However Dave was a Pittsburgh guy, and Walt Harris was Walt Harris.

...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...

by jesse. on Dec 28, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

This is absolutely correct.

And it’s sickening the way Ohio State has been getting the top kids from the WPIAL for some time now. Michigan has lost it a bit from the RR disaster…let’s hope they don’t get it back.

by J Breezy on Dec 28, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Here in Pittsburgh

The contrarian ass hole kid that used to like Penn State, likes Ohio State now. And that’s a problem.

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by jesse. on Dec 28, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I dunno, a quick rundown of the Wanny years, PA top 40 players:

2005- Pitt 10- PSU 4
2006- 11 Pitt- PSU 6
2007- 9 Pitt- PSU 7
2008- 12 Pitt- PSU 4
2009- 9 Pitt- PSU 7
2010- 10 Pitt- PSU 9

Total- 61 Pitt- 37 PSU

I also did a quick check to see if it was skewed towards the top players for PSU, to sort of see if they were cherry picking the best players. A less scientific look appeared to be an edge on top players for PSU in 05, 06, and 10 (one of those years, I think 05, PSU was the only team with a top 10 player but Pitt had a tone in 10-20, but I gave the edge to PSU for a “top” player), with an edge for Pitt in 08 and 09. (Even in 07).

I find it hard to believe with that mathematical edge that he wasn’t beating out PSU for a lot of those players, or that they were all legacies. The total team rankings for that period, 05-10 was PSU #15 and Pitt #22.

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by PSUinBOSSton on Dec 28, 2011 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

look at some of the names he got too

Jeff Otah, Greg Romeus, Jabaal Sheard, Jonathon Baldwin, Ray Graham

by swiggy04 on Dec 28, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Graham is from Jersey.

Coached in HS by PSU lb Chet Parlavecchio. Chet said PSU was not interested in Graham due to his grades.

Graham was one of the most highly recruited players in New Jersey, but Parlavecchio was dismayed when Penn State rejected him.

“That’s where I wanted him to go. (Assistant coach) Tom Bradley loved him. But Raymond did not have the SAT scores, and Joe (Paterno) was adamant about not recruiting kids who didn’t have the scores,” Parlavecchio said. “He didn’t care how good they were.”

Read more: Graham’s first five games constitute a record start – Pittsburgh Tribune-Review http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/s_759821.html#ixzz1hrdg6Mjr

by J Breezy on Dec 28, 2011 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Right...

But what did they do in New Jersey, Maryland, New York and Virginia. Also, dude, look at the records of the teams. Your telling me who got the splash recruits, I’m talking about who got the better players.

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by jesse. on Dec 28, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't disagree with any of that whatsoever, but it is shifting the discussion.

The point is that he was able to tout his experience and win plenty of recruiting battles using that pitch. Battles he otherwise had no business winning. Splashy recruits, that was the point I was making. Yours is a different conversation entirely.

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by PSUinBOSSton on Dec 28, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

See my above post on Graham.

There are different factors that go into the recruiting decisions. Some guys that were highly rated PSU did not really want, like Pat Bostick.

I don’t really care what the writers (who vote for the all state players), guys like Bob Lichtenfelds, and most of all the Pitt coaches think…I only care what the PSU coaches and evaluators think about a kid. I think when you compare their track record and results they’ve gotten with the kids on the field against Pitt’s you see who consistently recruited better.

by J Breezy on Dec 28, 2011 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you 17 or 18?

If not, I don’t know why you’re standing up for all teenagers here. I’m in my mid 20s and I consider myself to be semi-intelligent and I would be the first to admit that I was 100% retarded at 18 years old.

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by jman07 on Dec 28, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm 32. I wasn't retarded at 17. Neither were most of my friends.

I may have been emotional, but I was capable of making rational decisions. And when I was too emotional, my parents were there to keep me in check. As is the case with most recruits .

by PSUEnrg02 on Dec 28, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

So when you were 18

you never did anything that you would never EVER think of doing now?

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by jman07 on Dec 28, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Todos.

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by SubLime on Dec 28, 2011 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

yea look at all teh NFLers from UNC

just because of Butch Davis. They were bad teams cause he isnt a great coach, but there were tons of NFL guys there the last few years.

by swiggy04 on Dec 28, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

No no swiggy

you can’t use examples from last year because it stopped being a novelty today. So from this day forward, it’ll never work again.

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by jman07 on Dec 28, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

So if we hired Butch Davis or Wannstadt or Weiss today

would they be great recruiters vs. the top half of the Big Ten?

by PSUEnrg02 on Dec 28, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

recruiters yes

if they were great recruiters in Chapel Hill, Pittsburgh and South Bend, why wouldnt they be in State College?

Great coaches no, great recruiters, absolutely.

by swiggy04 on Dec 28, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Yup,

they would instantly compete for top talent. They would lose plenty, but they would compete for the regions best players.

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by PSUinBOSSton on Dec 28, 2011 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

They couldn't teach

a big part of the difference between the NFL and college is that guys generally come into the NFL with decent technique, so the emphasis is more on film and game planning and quick decision making in a complex environment. Guys coming out of high school into D1 college generally got by on talent alone, and have to be taught things like how to block and tackle properly.

Charlie Weis was exhibit 1A of a guy who could recruit and scheme, but his players couldn’t wrap a guy up.

by PSU Mudder on Dec 28, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Charlie Weis was exhibit 1A of a guy.....

….who could do really well when he had illegal spy films of the opposing team.

by J Breezy on Dec 28, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Exhibit 1B

Romeo Crennel.

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by kijana's acl on Dec 28, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Ha!

I almost wrote that in my post!

by J Breezy on Dec 28, 2011 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Bill Belichick

Overrated coach or the most overrated coach? He was on his way to getting fired in NE before Shade Tree Jones knocked out Bledsoe and Brady fell into his lap. Never won a Super Bowl since taping came to light.

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by kijana's acl on Dec 28, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Wasn't the point.

You said just being from the NFL doesn’t make you a draw. You just listed a bunch of NFL bustout coaches that constantly pulled in top recruiting classes just because of their affiliation with the NFL. If it’s an NFL guy, recruits are going to come.

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by PSUinBOSSton on Dec 28, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

See above

I think that was true before there was a long list of guys that failed. I think the luster of being from the NFL has worn off, particularly guys from the NFL that no one has heard of. Sure, it would help going against a ‘small’ college name. But not when going against the ‘big boys’ of the college game, or even guys like D’antonio or Beliema at this point. And that’s who we expect our next coach to compete with and BEAT for recruits routinely. I think Tom Bradley – who’s been recruiting the NE for DECADES will be a greater pull than some guy who’s been in the NFL for 30 years but few have heard of and has never tried recruiting a teenager before .

by PSUEnrg02 on Dec 28, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Looks like we just won't agree.

It’s a proven tactic. You are giving top teenage athletic talent too much perspective. Regular teenagers don’t have that kind of perspective, let alone the ones that have been told repeatedly they are going to earn a living off their athletic ability. The pitch has been a flat out proven winner.

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by PSUinBOSSton on Dec 28, 2011 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree to disagree.

I still don’t think you’re giving either teenagers, or their parents, or college coaches, nearly enough credit vs. a 1 year NFL HC with 0 college coaching experience.

by PSUEnrg02 on Dec 28, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

See Al Groh

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by jman07 on Dec 28, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Ok, agree to disagree then.

But there is no need to give them credit when there is a clear track record of its success. Those same conditions, teens, parents, and competing coaches all existed previously when it worked. It doesn’t mean the Meyer’s of the world are going to see their recruiting classes fall off, it just means that the Munchak’s will continue to move into that group even with no recruiting experience.

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by PSUinBOSSton on Dec 28, 2011 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Meyer has a job

The only names of that caliber (Stoops, Saban, etc.) aren’t coming. Is Munchak really worse – in terms of name – than Hoke or Bielema?

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by kijana's acl on Dec 28, 2011 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Ugh...

nobody is worse than Bielema

by GMac14 on Dec 28, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

IMO the only NAME out there that could rival Meyer that I'd actually want is Peterson.

And you’re right, he’s probably not coming. No other name is > Tom Bradley. And we know he’s available, and would probably do it for $1Mil if his assistants were given good raises. So they should have called Peterson and interviewed a few other guys, then named Tom Bradley the coach like two weeks ago. To me, anyone else they’re going to get is a FAIL. I don’t want Richt. I don’t want some guy who happened to coach a great QB. TANGENT: As if Clements could take Rob Bolden and get him to do any of the ridiculous things Aaron Rogers has the natural talent to do.

by PSUEnrg02 on Dec 28, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

name something, anything, related to football that he hasn’t done extremely well. All-American college player? Check. HOF pro player? Check. Great assistant? Check. Improved on an NFL team’s record in his first year as a head coach? Check.

The guy is good.

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by ckmneon on Dec 28, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

He's in the Pro Football Hall of Fame, so he's not an NFL no-name

And by all accounts, he’s been a great coach.

Add in the fact that he’s a Penn Stater, and I think that makes him a home-run hire

by newenglandnittanylion on Dec 28, 2011 11:57 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Seriously, you should be placed on time-out for that post...

obviously joking. However, do you really think a kid that is a top high school recruit doesn’t know the name of a current NFL head coach? think about that.

by rodney20 on Dec 28, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree.

I think his hiring would actually trump Meyers’ hiring. Literally, you would have just pulled one of the greatest upsets in coach search history. You stole an NFL head coach, in good standing no less, to come back to the college ranks.

Not only that, you stole a dude that is considered the SHIZ among his peers when it comes to coaching OL and blocking schemes.

All the people saying that he has no college recruiting experience….yeah, who gives a crap, how hard is it for an NFL hall of famer and former NFL head coach to make high school kids sign up?

by rodney20 on Dec 28, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Munchak...

When would he have had time to prep for and take an interview? They had there bye before Halloween. NFL coaches work about 20 hrs a day. No way the Titans let him go interview in the middle of a playoff run. If I were the Titans, I’d fire him on the spot if he was off interviewing for other jobs.

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by Esteban d' Amur on Dec 28, 2011 9:52 AM EST reply actions  

Could have skyped like Clements did

Reporter: Can you give us a touchdown celebration, one that you would get penalized for?
Moye: I play at Penn State. I don’t celebrate.

by psupride on Dec 28, 2011 9:55 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah..

but when would he have time to prep for that and when could he set aside several hours to do it?

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by Esteban d' Amur on Dec 28, 2011 9:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Mondays are an off day for pro teams

could have easily skyped in the morning during a break from film. I don’t think that he would need much prep time. I mean it isn’t like he is going for a sales position with motorola and needs info on their newest products. This is a school he loves and knows much about.

Reporter: Can you give us a touchdown celebration, one that you would get penalized for?
Moye: I play at Penn State. I don’t celebrate.

by psupride on Dec 28, 2011 10:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Honestly

I think Munchak is a pipe dream and the reason we haven’t heard anything is because there is nothing going on. I don’t believe in the search committee. I doubt they have their guy.

I’ll stop being Debbie Downer now.

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by jman07 on Dec 28, 2011 10:10 AM EST up reply actions  

I think Munchak's a longshot, too.

I just have a hard time believing he’d leave a lucrative pro job to kiss the a**es of self-centered adolescents and worse yet their parents.

by J Breezy on Dec 28, 2011 10:13 AM EST up reply actions  

not too mention...

working for the same people who fired Paterno. Not sure I’ve seen him comment on the situation.

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by Esteban d' Amur on Dec 28, 2011 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

I feel like

The former players would have to tug Munchak’s heart strings to make this happen. None of us (that I know of) are close to Munchak and really know how the man feels, but 30 years with one organization beats the few that he spent at PSU, even if it was at the seminal point of his life/career. He really would be fucking Tennessee pretty good if he peaced out now, and I have to think he’s dreamed of coaching the oilers/titans, not PSU.

Think smaller, ladies and germs. My gut tells me that we’re heading in that direction, but like I said…that may not be a bad thing at all.

by SkellerDweller06 on Dec 28, 2011 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm not sold on him or the committee either

just saying that it is feasible for him to have interviewed.

The reaosn I am not sold on him is lack of recruiting. If he could keep some assistants then I wouldn’t be as nervous. But then again, if they let him keep scrap, why not just give the job to scrap?

Reporter: Can you give us a touchdown celebration, one that you would get penalized for?
Moye: I play at Penn State. I don’t celebrate.

by psupride on Dec 28, 2011 10:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Mondays are off days for the players...

but the coaches? I’m not so sure.

Yeah, it’s not a sales job, but a fair and comprehensive interview for HBC at PSU should take several hours.

11/9/11 - the day the music died.
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by Esteban d' Amur on Dec 28, 2011 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

I just don’t think that he would have needed the prep time.

Reporter: Can you give us a touchdown celebration, one that you would get penalized for?
Moye: I play at Penn State. I don’t celebrate.

by psupride on Dec 28, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions  

He'd have to prep...

in terms of recruiting approach, types of assistants he’d target, etc.

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by Esteban d' Amur on Dec 28, 2011 10:19 AM EST up reply actions  

The people on the committee who matter

probably already know him pretty well. May not be much more to the interview than getting comfortable that he wants the job and is committed to coming into a mess.

I’m not over the moon excited by this prospect, but I can understand wanting someone familiar but separated from the program.

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by kijana's acl on Dec 28, 2011 10:18 AM EST up reply actions  

me too...

I just don’t see him being able to interview without a.) the Titans being pissed, and b.) the Titans leaking the information.

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by Esteban d' Amur on Dec 28, 2011 10:20 AM EST up reply actions  

That sounds more like it.

I don’t really care for all the drama associated with this search, but I do like how it exposes how utterly inept all these sports reporters, with their inside information, are.

by J Breezy on Dec 28, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Not two watches

One is one of those balance bracelets. Not that that is any better than if he were wearing two watches.

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by Cream on Dec 28, 2011 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Probably worse.

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by dbl5030 on Dec 28, 2011 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh sweet merciful crap.

I was giving him the benefit of the doubt that it was a watch. A balance bracelet is an outward symbol of dangerous stupidity.

A pandemic of cowardice sweeps the nation.

by WorldBFat on Dec 28, 2011 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

I appreciate it when the stupid wear sublte signs which announce their stupidity

to those of us who bother to pay attention.

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by kijana's acl on Dec 28, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Well, if it's on the internet it MUST be true!

I mean, someone tweeted that Urban Meyer bought property in Boalsburg, further confirming that you should trust EVERYTHING everyone says on the web!

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by Tailgate Shogun on Dec 28, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

I just want this to be over

I am so tired of the drama around this program. And I don’t just mean since November. Just get us a damn football coach. I realize there’s always going to be something, but this is getting exhausting.

by speedomike on Dec 28, 2011 10:13 AM EST reply actions  

Amen.

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by Esteban d' Amur on Dec 28, 2011 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Has anyone seen the ghost of Lombardi lately?

Can someone provide a report from the Corner Room and check real estate transactions in Boalsburg, please?

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by Tailgate Shogun on Dec 28, 2011 10:44 AM EST reply actions  

Let's just fucking hire Cristobal and get this shit going already

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by Peter Gray on Dec 28, 2011 10:52 AM EST reply actions  

I'll meet you half-way

I’ll get some bottles of Cristal and mix them with some mango rum.

Close enough.

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by Tailgate Shogun on Dec 28, 2011 10:57 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Is that you, Fera?

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by Peter Gray on Dec 28, 2011 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Hmm

"The Braves could use [Loney] at first base to help back up Freddie Freeman, and in return the Dodgers could get Tommy Hanson from the Braves."

by Cream on Dec 28, 2011 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Supposedly he is waiting for the Miami job...

…or some other job in Florida to open up. True of not, given their recent history Pitt could not take that chance (that he’d leave soon) with him. He is supposedly the guy they really wanted, but couldn’t count on him sticking around so they went the “safe” route.

Anyway, if it’s true about his “happy feet for the south” then I don’t want him at PSU.

by J Breezy on Dec 28, 2011 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

I like Munchak but I don't think he is the guy. I have a hard time seeing him leave Tennessee after 1 season as head coach, jmo

I still think its going to be a college guy and it could range from anywhere from the Cuttliff, Richt, Peterson (yeah we all know he loves Boise, but I think when one of the big boys comes calling you at least think about it) to someone like Bob Stoops, who if I’m not mistaken said something about liking PSU back in the mid 2000"s, just liking the entire thing that was going on at the school. I would be a bit schocked but could even be someone like Miles or Pelini being interested. The other possibilities are NFL assistants, Clemens, NFL’rs like Gruden or Dungy, (don’t see Cowher as a college guy at all). So basically, yeah, it can still be anybody. And I’ll wait and see and throw conjecture till the day it happens. I also don’t thing the job is “toxic” like others seem to think. Its a very desirable school and place to live.

I just read.

by BMAN13 on Dec 28, 2011 11:01 AM EST reply actions  

Gruden and Dungy.

I see these names a lot, but why? I don’t see them leaving their current gigs, but I must have missed something in all this because they are mentioned so much on here.

by J Breezy on Dec 28, 2011 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Dungy said no. He is in full-swing Dad mode

His son is a QB at Oregon. He wants to watch him play on Saturdays.

As for Gruden. He is from Youngstown and would be a more likely fit. And there is no question he could recruit. But I just don’t see it.

by PSUinOH on Dec 28, 2011 5:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

If I am the hiring committee, and I'm keeping this so close to the vest,

it’s because Joe is helping me. Nationally and perception wise, you can’t have Joe helping you lobby a would-be head coach. But they have proved the ability to keep all of this very private. And the only way Munch is getting lured is if Joe is telling him Penn State needs you to take my place. Let’s see, coaches are interviewing via Skype . . . does Joe have any track record of that? I’m not saying it is definitely happening, but as tight lipped as everyone has been it seems to me very possible that Joe has talked to his former player about what Penn State means and needs right now.

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by PSUinBOSSton on Dec 28, 2011 11:07 AM EST reply actions  

Interesting theory

But I can’t see Joe going out of his way to work with the assclowns that booted him with a phone call. Now, maybe he puts in a call to Munchak independent of the search committee.

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by 06Lion on Dec 28, 2011 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

But who beyond the AD is also on the BoT?

I don’t think that everyone on the Board had it in for Joe.

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by kijana's acl on Dec 28, 2011 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

I dunno...I doubt it.

I just don’t think Joe is doing much of anything other than convalescing right now. Plus i it came out later that Joe had a hand in picking his successor then we have the whole “PSU Let’s Pedophile Enabler Paterno Help Pick New Coach” headlines.

Nah…I don’t think Joe is involved at all. Plus how many people ask the guy they fired to help them pick his replacement??

by J Breezy on Dec 28, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

No.

Joe doesn’t quote/paraphrase wrestlers

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by kijana's acl on Dec 28, 2011 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

TWEETERS

Apparently some media hack contacted Munchak and he had courteous but strong words of refusal.

Now…EVERYONE FREAK OUT.

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by 06Lion on Dec 28, 2011 11:16 AM EST reply actions  

Now the top story on ESPN

Because a coach has never denied interest in a job that he ended up taking…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqOlwEYrT0I

by Mo Humphrey on Dec 28, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

He was pretty convincing...

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by belbijou on Dec 28, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

The search committee is just looking to wear us down

In the beginning, for instance, I was opposed to Al Golden. Not enough of a track record yet.

Now, if they announced Golden today I’d be all “Wooo, Al Golden!”

by PSU Mudder on Dec 28, 2011 11:23 AM EST reply actions  

You may be on to something here

I feel the exact same way.

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by LegalLion on Dec 28, 2011 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

I was totally not believing this.

But now with all the furious reports that it’s not true, I’m certain Munchak is the guy.

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by PSUinBOSSton on Dec 28, 2011 11:35 AM EST reply actions  

They're hiring Lynyrd Skynyrd as the entire coaching staff...

At least we’ll have some decent music in the stadium for a change

I'm not rationalizing - I'm being totally irrational

by GoodOleDays on Dec 28, 2011 11:42 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

It's acknowledgment that

This coaching search is going as well as that one flight.

"The Braves could use [Loney] at first base to help back up Freddie Freeman, and in return the Dodgers could get Tommy Hanson from the Braves."

by Cream on Dec 28, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Yuck

Lynyrd Synyrd is the most over-rated band ever, but that’s just like my opinion, man.

Anyway, the flashlights eat our human power grids, our souls if you will. So i destroyed them, and if a few precious panties were burnt or soiled in the reckoning then so be it

by millzners on Dec 28, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Who are they?

Some overrated knock off of the all-time greatest rock band, The Beatles? If so, you may be right.

by PSUCharmas on Dec 28, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

I vote for Aerosmith

simply no good

"The Braves could use [Loney] at first base to help back up Freddie Freeman, and in return the Dodgers could get Tommy Hanson from the Braves."

by Cream on Dec 28, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

I literally almost got into a fistfight over that.

With a girl. And Aerosmith doesn’t just suck. They f@#king suck. Alot.

...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...

by jesse. on Dec 28, 2011 6:17 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Bitch jumped out of chair and shoved me.

She had to be held back. And it was for real.

...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...

by jesse. on Dec 28, 2011 9:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Rush World Tour 2012

Heinz Field – Pittsburgh
PNC Park – Pittsburgh
Consol Energy Center – Pittsburgh
Starlake Ampitheatre – Pittsburgh
Stage AE – Pittsburgh
Mr. Smalls – Pittsburgh
Petersen Events Center – Pittsburgh
Soldiers and Sailors Memorial Auditorium – Pittsburgh

Serisouly I’ve never met anybody that wasn’t from Pittsburgh that likes Rush.

...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...

by jesse. on Dec 28, 2011 10:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Too bad that the Syria Mosque is gone . . .

It would have been perfect for An Intimate Evening with Geddy Lee.

"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein

by SubLime on Dec 28, 2011 10:11 PM EST up reply actions  

That is at the...

AJ Polumbo Center – Pittsburgh

...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...

by jesse. on Dec 28, 2011 10:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I was eating dinner with some friends the other night. One girl (a friend of a friend) apparently loves Kid Rock’s music. I didn’t know this, and was ranting about how bad Kid Rock sucks. I’m proud to say I stuck by my point that he wears grandma hats.

"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings

by ReadingRambler on Dec 28, 2011 9:13 PM EST up reply actions  

They'd be perfect for a Big 10 team.

Because all a Big 10 (non-SEC) player needs is someone to “gimme 3 steps” and they’ll burn whoever is covering them.

by J Breezy on Dec 28, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Sekrah's picture is of the Insight Bowl? I guess?

Audibles posters are speculating that may mean Sekrah is hinting at either Stoops or Ferentz to PSU. Or maybe it’s just a pretty picture. I’m so tired of this I wish they’d just hire Tom Bradley and get it over with.

Anyway, the flashlights eat our human power grids, our souls if you will. So i destroyed them, and if a few precious panties were burnt or soiled in the reckoning then so be it

by millzners on Dec 28, 2011 11:44 AM EST reply actions  

This was tweeted by our very own Ben Jones a few minutes ago. The source is from a Titans beat writer

Ben_Jones88Ben Jones

Strong RT @jwyattsports: “I love my alma mater, but I have no interest in being the head coach at Penn St, I never want to leave Tennessee”
31 minutes ago

Ben_Jones88Ben Jones

And this RT @jwyattsports:“I have a great deal of respect for Penn St and I hope they find a great coach there, but I am happy where I’m at”
32 minutes ago

Ben_Jones88Ben Jones@

For the record RT @jwyattsports: Just talked to Munchak and he has quashed the PSU rumors once and for all. Not interested in job, he said
35 minutes ago

by GMac14 on Dec 28, 2011 11:47 AM EST reply actions  

All right.

So that leaves, what, Tom Bradley and Tom Clements and some guy from Harvard?

"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings

by ReadingRambler on Dec 28, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

And carolinaeasy

I, for one, plan to continue my life long contempt for the powers that be and I fully expect to be disappointed with whatever choice is made. ~PSUgirl

by jman07 on Dec 28, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

And Kirk Ferentz.

I think Kirk Ferentz should be rumored for every Big Ten opening just to annoy people.

"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings

by ReadingRambler on Dec 28, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

He's in the kitchen

making a batch of Corner Room chili right now.

.....that which we are, WE ARE;
One equal temper of heroic hearts

by SarcasmJam on Dec 28, 2011 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

If people keep turning this job down, Bradley could end up the coach by default

Not that he deserves to be the last resort, but if that’s what needs to happen to land our best option, I could come to terms with it.

by ppfcpp on Dec 28, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Your preferred coaching candidate

is no good for PSU, and here’s why…

The depth of both my sadness and anger is unfathomable.

We (Still) Are...

by PSU_Buch on Dec 28, 2011 11:54 AM EST reply actions  

Like I've been sayin....

Think small, folks. Maybe even a surprise candidate. Fact of the matter is a guy is gonna get hired regardless of who we as fans back. I will say that, given that this is a dollars-and-cents institution, we have to understand that there are definitely boosters and sponsors (Ben Jones astutely mentioned Nike) that have more of a say in this than we are giving due.

Let’s hope that the big money backs a Tressel(less tattoogate) and not a RichRod. New blood isn’t always bad, just as experience doesn’t always translate to success. The only slam dunk out there right now is currently the HC at Boise; anything else is a gamble on potential. Sometimes those pay off, folks.

by SkellerDweller06 on Dec 28, 2011 12:03 PM EST reply actions  

I was overseas a week ago and stayed off the internet. It was nice.

Now that I’m back to this Groundhog Day of a coaching search I’m getting depressed again.

by CvilleLion on Dec 28, 2011 12:17 PM EST reply actions  

Todd Blackledge.

Let’s hire him. WTF, we could do a taste of the town for every Penn State Football Story episode.

by rodney20 on Dec 28, 2011 12:34 PM EST reply actions  

Pittsburgh Post-Gazette (Musselman) is reporting Munchak has no interest.

Tennessee Titans coach Mike Munchak said this morning that he is not interested in becoming the next head coach at Penn State.

“I have a great deal of respect for Penn State and I hope they find a great coach there, but I am happy where I’m at,” Munchak told The Tennessean of Nashville.

“I love my alma mater, but I have no interest in being the head coach at Penn State,” he said. “I never want to leave Tennessee.”

Sources told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette on Tuesday night that Munchak, a Scranton native, was the top pick of the search committee trying to hire a replacement for Hall of Fame coach Joe Paterno.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11362/1199733-100.stm

by J Breezy on Dec 28, 2011 12:39 PM EST reply actions  

Article also mentions Eric Mangini.

Now there’s a name I haven’t heard before.

by J Breezy on Dec 28, 2011 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

You weren't missing anything.

A pandemic of cowardice sweeps the nation.

by WorldBFat on Dec 28, 2011 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Fired head coach

also fired head coach of the Jets

365 beers from 365 different breweries in 365 days. Game on.
http://www.blognamedbrew.blogspot.com/

by Tailgate Shogun on Dec 28, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

No coach hire before Jan 3rd

Im outta here. Going to go do something productive. See you all next year.

by PSUinOH on Dec 28, 2011 6:06 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Your next head coach will be more of a stop gap position.

Once the dust settles a few years out, then a big name coach might become interested. Till then, its the beginning of some dark years for psu football.

Proud mini-Saban.

by Tidee Whitee on Dec 29, 2011 10:34 AM EST reply actions  

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