Cheap Heat: NICK SABAN NICK SABAN ERIN ANDREWS NICK SABAN FINEBAUM FINEBAUM PAAWWWWL.
by Chris Grovich on Dec 29, 2011 10:18 AM EST
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Sometime yesterday, a PennLive.com commenter named "loldaveyjones" posted a comment to a Penn State coaching search story. [For those of you visiting from elsewhere, Dave Jones is a Harrisburg Patriot-News sports columnist. PennLive.com is their online presence.] Here is loldaveyjones' comment in full:
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"I told you yesterday Jones that it was not Munchak. If you want the truth and not the usual garbage you spew, it's Nick Saban. How do I know? Someone in my family recently donated $$,$$$,$$$. The contract is for 6 years, $48million. The school is paying $5m/yr, and the rest is coming from the Nike contract. He'll be making 60% more than anyone in college football.
Sounds ridiculous right? No it's not. Saban and his wife are from West Virginia and Nick grew up going to Penn State games with his dad. Saban also never really wanted to leave Michigan State as his closest friends are Tom Izzo and Dantonio. From what I was told, it was Lubert, Parker, and Delaney who were the power brokers behind this deal. This is a huge power play for everyone involved...Penn State, Nike, and the Big Ten.
I keep hearing theres going to be an announcement on Jan 3rd or 4th. That's not true either. The official announcement won't happen until the middle of January. Saban will have two weeks to try and salvage this recruiting class, but from what I was told this is of no concern. I'll be back in January to remind you once again I was right."
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[I rather enjoy that loldaveyjones' relative donated $$,$$$,$$$. Reminds me of when Sean Connery wagered "Texa$" on SNL's Celebrity Jeopardy.]
After jokingly tweeting a screencap of this comment last night, I noticed that it was quickly retweeted by our old buddy kleph from Roll Bama Roll (who undoubtedly found it similarly hilarious), then retweeted by the Roll Bama Roll account itself. From there, the rumor quickly spread throughout the nation without anybody ever stopping to realize that it was started by an anonymous PennLive commenter. If you have Twitter access right now, do a search for Saban. There's a chance your timeline will be throttled as if you were watching "To Catch A Predator".
Now, I like PennLive and the Patriot-News and many of the people who currently or used to work there. Their commenters, however, could turn a story about a cat stuck in a tree into a racist anti-Obama thread in four comments or less. On average, a crazed, disheveled man wearing a "THE END IS NEAR" sandwich board is more reliable than your standard PennLive comenter.
As our Jeff Junstrom pointed out via email, there are other people to blame for this. Penn State premium message boards are in a frenzy with news that Penn State's football coach search committee has its guy, it's a really big name, and PSU is just waiting until the end of that coach's season to make the announcement. It has led, as these things so often do, to boasts of "I know this really awesome information but I can't/won't share it with you because I don't want to blow up the deal, but TRUST me, I'm super-connected to the program." And hey, maybe those people are privy to information about the most secretive college football coaching search in the internet age. However, they're creating an environment where information-starved fans are filling in their own blanks with the craziest stuff imaginable. It's not helping. This mystery man is not helping. This post probably isn't helping.
So, people. Seriously. At the risk of looking foolish when Nick Saban is totally coaching Penn State in two weeks, slow down. To drive this point 20 feet into the earth, we reached out to RBR's kleph last night. Here's his response:
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a few weeks ago there was a similar big "scoop" among UT message board "insiders" that saban would be the next coach of the longhorns after agreeing to a $100 million, ten-year deal. needless to say, that report turned out to be completely imaginary.
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To which I say, HATERS. ELITISTS. PAAAAWWWWWLLLL. (And thanks as always, kleph.)
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just for amusement sake
here’s the post we did of the “saban to texas” rumor while waiting for it to be officially quashed. the reactions to the “scoop” are pretty much on par to what we’re seeing this morning.
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Wiil you guys quit playing with my fucking emotions
already?
I'm not rationalizing - I'm being totally irrational
If Saban is the next coach I will light myself on fire.
I, for one, plan to continue my life long contempt for the powers that be and I fully expect to be disappointed with whatever choice is made. ~PSUgirl
by jman07 on Dec 29, 2011 10:28 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
With joy!
I saw a girl crying tonight. When I asked why she said: "Because everybody lost."
Black Shoe Diaries
@runthedive
I'll hang up and listen now.
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SBN - Pittsburgh
Success With Honor
by Jeff Junstrom on Dec 29, 2011 10:39 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Without question.
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
can I have the blue truck?
I just read.
by BMAN13 on Dec 29, 2011 4:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sure. My toasted self will no longer have use for it
I, for one, plan to continue my life long contempt for the powers that be and I fully expect to be disappointed with whatever choice is made. ~PSUgirl
If this comes to pass, I will preserve the next Finebaum show in amber.
I saw a girl crying tonight. When I asked why she said: "Because everybody lost."
Black Shoe Diaries
@runthedive
Want to go tailgate it live and in person?
I, for one, plan to continue my life long contempt for the powers that be and I fully expect to be disappointed with whatever choice is made. ~PSUgirl
Nick would do it
Just to piss Urban Meyer off.
by The Booster on Dec 29, 2011 10:40 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
How is this not green?
If this is a joke, it is comic genius. If this is not a joke, it is cosmic genius.
Thirteen.
by Darth Saban on Dec 30, 2011 12:01 AM EST up reply actions
I agree with the esteemed kleph...
except about the money part. As Mr. Burns once said:
Homer: You know, Mr Burns, you’re the richest guy I know. Way richer than Lenny.
Mr. Burns: Yes, but I’d trade it all for a little more.
11/9/11 - the day the music died.
The bitter with the better.
by Esteban d' Amur on Dec 29, 2011 10:45 AM EST reply actions 5 recs
then consider it this way
anyone even halfway serious about trying to hire saban is going to be offering him a pile of cash. and, obviously, alabama would be sure to counter the offer. so the issue of money is kind of ancillary. the question then becomes which of these deep-pocketed-but-desperate programs would be be offering something that would make the move worth it? and that returns us to my other points.
Remember the Rose Bowl: The Story of the Alabama Crimson Tide & the Grandaddy of Them All
What if we promised him a statue next to Joe Paterno if he wins a National Title?
I mean, there is kinda a rhythm to that, right
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
by jesse. on Dec 29, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Why be satisfied with one statute when you can have two!
I saw a girl crying tonight. When I asked why she said: "Because everybody lost."
Black Shoe Diaries
@runthedive
Right.
I mean if we’re gonna be crazy, let’s not half ass it. Let’s be craziest bunch of crazies that ever crazied.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
by jesse. on Dec 29, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I think it was WorldBFat who said
I don’t care which way you slant, just slant hard.
by The Booster on Dec 29, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Tear down Joe's statue and replace it with Saban's!
Then when God is like, “Oh, heck, no!” and smites us, well, you know what? At least we won a national championship or two before God smote us.
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
You're not taking the stakes high enough
They have to offer to BLOW UP THE PATERNO STATUTE and then lower the Saban statue onto the still smoking ruin. And while this is happening Saban is being literally showered by a snowstorm of hundred dollar bills.
I’m starting to find this whole thing more plausible, at least from the PSU Administration’s end of things.
by PSUCharmas on Dec 29, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
They could melt down the statue while Joe Paterno watches...
Give Saban a glass of 50 year single malt mixed with the tears of Sue Paterno.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
by jesse. on Dec 29, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
They could melt down the JoePa statue
and make a carbonite encasing with JoePa’s actual, living body inside like Han Solo, which Saban would keep in his “focus room” (which I don’t even know what it is, but I’m almost certain he has somewhere in his home).
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
by OctaShields on Dec 29, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Can we make Les Miles
be Saban’s “Rancor” down in the pit of the focus room?
.....that which we are, WE ARE;
One equal temper of heroic hearts
Sarlacc
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
by OctaShields on Dec 29, 2011 12:09 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Yes!
Weiss goes in as Jabba the Hutt and we dress up Erin Andrews in the Leia slave outfit.
Lou Hotlz gets to be that little muppet guy that eats out C3PO’s eyes. (C3PO played by Mark May).
.....that which we are, WE ARE;
One equal temper of heroic hearts
by SarcasmJam on Dec 29, 2011 12:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Mark May
is the pig-lookin guy who is a general asshole when they first enter Jabba’s place.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
by OctaShields on Dec 29, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
She could probably pull it off
jtothetweet
Make sure this dead horse doesn't move while I go get my beatin' stick.
by jtothep on Dec 29, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Victims of the almight Sarlacc,
His Excellency hopes that you will die… honorably.
Ew, she's presenting like a mandrill!
I love the Star Wars ness of today
I’m wearing my new “Alderaan 5-day weather forecast” t-shirt… in case you were wondering, Wednesday is going to be around 15,000 degrees.
Fire Dan Snyder
by Cari Greene on Dec 29, 2011 1:15 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
It's just making my skin crawl
That I have to waste away at work instead of playing The Old Republic until my hands fall off
here's to you
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by kleph on Dec 29, 2011 6:00 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Holy Shit Octa that was funny.
"Publicity is like poison. It doesn't hurt unless you swallow it."
Joe Paterno
While Merle Haggard sings "Silver Wings"?
Please say yes.
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
Afterward
Rod Erickson would hold a press conference with the statue in the background, open with “at last, our long, institutional nightmare is over,” then refuse to answer any questions unless they pertained to the School of Agriculture’s latest research findings.
The depth of both my sadness and anger is unfathomable.
We (Still) Are...
Oh...I agree...
that Saban isn’t going anywhere, but I never buy the argument that $ doesn’t matter.
11/9/11 - the day the music died.
The bitter with the better.
by Esteban d' Amur on Dec 29, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
Wait
are you trying to tell me that an anonymous commenter on a local newspaper’s website who claims to have a family that donates millions to the university is NOT a reliable source when he says Alabama’s coach will leave and come to Penn State because he will be paid by a shoe company with ties to Oregon?
Isn't Bama a Nike school as well?
"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13
by kijana's acl on Dec 29, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
Several high level executives (including the president I believe) of Nike are PSU alumnus. Not that i’m giving creedance to any of this but there are strong PSU nike ties as well.
Even if that is true I still dont know why that means a corporation
would be paying almost half of our coach’s salary.
I heard Sabin wants to be closer to the Wild West Museum in Harrisburg
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by WFY on Dec 29, 2011 10:47 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Also, posts don't get rec'd enough
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by WFY on Dec 29, 2011 10:48 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Can somone enlighten me on the PAAWWLL meme please?
I feel hopelessly out of touch with it.
.....that which we are, WE ARE;
One equal temper of heroic hearts
PAAWWWLLLLLL
http://www.google.com/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss291/TempletonPeck/EDSBS/HEYPAWL.jpg&sa=X&ei=oI38Tt3TFsLs0gGSvNiOAg&ved=0CAwQ8wc4dg&usg=AFQjCNEwNYjwwattDW73pZHHqdKqjZrC6A
I’m an aspiring Joe Paterno Apologist®
This seems perfectly logical to me.
But seriously, what is the only fool proof way to know who the next head coach will be? It’s always the guy denying it the most. Always.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
I AM ABSOLUTELY NOT THE NEXT COACH!!!!!
Everyone who says I am the next coach is a total baffoon and should die. I would never take that job because its for stupid heads! Listen up, because it’s the last time I’ll say it (it isn’t), I am 100% definitely not the next coach at PSU.
/waitsforoffer
Leaders Co-Champions
by PSUinBOSSton on Dec 29, 2011 11:06 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
My ex-student
…who did a year-long stint as Big Al, the Alabama mascot, just e-mailed me to say that he bumped into A.J. McCarron at the Taco Casa in University Mall, and that McCarron was looking all bummed. He asked why and A.J. said, “I can’t tell you, but let’s just say ‘Saint Nick’ really let me down this Christmas.”
The student also wanted to see if I could raise his EN 101 grade to an A.
I totally raised that grade.
by tuscaloosalion on Dec 29, 2011 10:58 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
I love the gratuitous detail
“at the Taco Casa in University Mall”
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
by OctaShields on Dec 29, 2011 11:00 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I hate that I confirmed it
Googled “university mall tuscaloosa”, looked at a map of the food area, confirmed there is a Taco Casa. This, of course, was a complete waste of my time. However, I now know that there is a Chick-fil-A across from the Taco Casa.
by PhilaLion on Dec 29, 2011 11:07 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks for saving me the time
I am a Penn State Nittany Lion, and I played for the legendary Joe Paterno, and more importantly, I am a man because of it. - Lavar Arrington
Taco Casa
totally sounds like a made-up restaurant frequented by sitcom characters b/c the network wouldn’t secure a product placement deal with Taco Bell.
Or this…
The depth of both my sadness and anger is unfathomable.
We (Still) Are...
When I was a kid
My grandpa used to take me to the old Elitch Gardens and then Casa Bonita for lunch (or was it the other way around?) For an 8 year old thats as good as it got.
Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?
by psuphysicist on Dec 29, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
That is a real place
I’ve been there many, many times.
Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?
by psuphysicist on Dec 29, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
I only recently learned that it is a real place
but when you Google Image search “casa bonita,” most of the pictures are from the actual restaurant. I was really impressed at SP’s obvious attention to detail. Can’t believe the cliff diving is a real thing.
The depth of both my sadness and anger is unfathomable.
We (Still) Are...
Its indoors, no less
And usually the guy does it with fire. I haven’t been there since I was a kid, so my memory is a little sketchy. I’m going to have to go back there the next time I’m in Colorado.
Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?
by psuphysicist on Dec 29, 2011 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
Oh man, we were ripped off.
We basically had a high school kid occasionally jumping into the water. Also, it was around Halloween, so a lot of the traditional stuff was altered.
And yes, practically everyone under the age of 35 was saying some variation of a SP quote as we waited in line.
by Chris Grovich on Dec 29, 2011 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
I haven't been there for 20 years
And I actually haven’t seen the south park episode (I’m not really a south park fan). I can’t imagine the place has changed much though. Actually, I thought it closed down.
Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?
by psuphysicist on Dec 29, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
I know there used to be multiple locations
I think the only one remaining is on West Colfax.
by Chris Grovich on Dec 29, 2011 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
BS
Big Al always gets As from his teachers. You didn’t have to raise his grade. And if the off chance you didn’t realize it was Big Al, the guvna would have a talk with you not him.
Reporter: Can you give us a touchdown celebration, one that you would get penalized for?
Moye: I play at Penn State. I don’t celebrate.
IF Saban were coming to PSU
I doubt he’d have already told his team 2 weeks before his undeserving team plays for a disputed national title
by swiggy04 on Dec 29, 2011 11:05 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
obligatory
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by kleph on Dec 29, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
So Bama's the new U?
Good to know.
"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13
by kijana's acl on Dec 29, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
This picture is delicious.
I saw a girl crying tonight. When I asked why she said: "Because everybody lost."
Black Shoe Diaries
@runthedive
You might believe he's smiling
but he really just had an almost incomprehensibly small gnat fly right into his cornea.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
by OctaShields on Dec 29, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
He is wearing a blue suit in the pic
IT MUST BE TRUE!!! HE’S COMING TO PSU!!!
No wonder he left us score a TD
He didn’t want to demoralize his future players and he knew that he would gain their favor by showing some compassion!
I, for one, plan to continue my life long contempt for the powers that be and I fully expect to be disappointed with whatever choice is made. ~PSUgirl
im not mad i dont care if he comes or not
i just have a hard time believing he’d have already told his team about it.
I think the "U Mad" was about the "undeserving" remark.
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." -Bertrand Russell
Eh.
This argument’s been done a thousand times. I’m not doing it here.
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." -Bertrand Russell
im not either, i didnt intend to
nor do i think im going to convince an alabama fan why they dont belong in the national title game. its a fools errand.
Easy answer.
You don’t like it, encourage your conference to push for a plus one, which is what should have happened a long time ago.
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." -Bertrand Russell
meh...
you don’t need a plus one. Just a mandate the winning your division or confrence actually matters.
11/9/11 - the day the music died.
The bitter with the better.
by Esteban d' Amur on Dec 29, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
That would fix the problem that happened this year...
But if, hypothetically, LSU had lost to Georgia this year under this system, then what? Oklahoma State/Houston?
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." -Bertrand Russell
OK State v. Oregon
If you can’t win your conference, you have no business in the national title game.
"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13
by kijana's acl on Dec 29, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
So an Oregon team that was handily beat by LSU
And lost to USC, over a one-loss LSU team that beat three top 5 teams. That would cause just as much drama as this did, and for good reason.
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." -Bertrand Russell
Well, since LSU didn't lose this is silly
But yes. Win or go home to the Sugar Bowl.
"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13
by kijana's acl on Dec 29, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
Fair enough.
I disagree.
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." -Bertrand Russell
Look, the solution is easy
So, if the Beers beat Detroit and Denver beats Atlanta in the American Southwestern Division East Northern, then Milwaukee goes to the Denslow Cup, unless Baltimore can upset Buffalo and Charlotte ties Toronto, then Oakland would play LA and Pittsburgh in a blind choice round robin. And if no clear winner emerges from all of this, the two-man sack race will be held on consecutive Sundays until a champion can be crowned.
I, for one, plan to continue my life long contempt for the powers that be and I fully expect to be disappointed with whatever choice is made. ~PSUgirl
by jman07 on Dec 29, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Oh wow
that is a gem out of the broadcaster cliche handbook. Tell me about making plays “in space” and kids “looking good in a uniform”. Put Alabama against any of the other #2 NC contenders and they are a 3+ favorite at a neutral site but you want a “more deserving” team? So if Alabama was in the SEC E and their only loss was the same score/game in the SECCG, that would be OK because bama won their division? That’s idiotic.
by Onestatewest on Dec 29, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know how..
anybody can be considered the best team in the country, when they aren’t even the best team in their division.
11/9/11 - the day the music died.
The bitter with the better.
by Esteban d' Amur on Dec 29, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
Bama fans don't want to hear this
They also don’t want to hear that their team completely shit the bed when they played LSU. They should have won, but didn’t. With a home crowd. They are completely undeserving of a rematch. If they had lost AT LSU, then my opinion might be different.
"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13
by kijana's acl on Dec 29, 2011 1:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm in agreement with this
Alabama gave the game away. The coaching was poor, the turnovers were poor, the play calling was poor, etc. They don’t deserve a do-over.
Even in 2006 when Michigan and Ohio State played, Michigan didn’t deserve a do-over. And they didn’t play like shit at home.
Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?
by psuphysicist on Dec 29, 2011 1:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That's not even..
really my problem with it. It’s unfair that LSU has to beat Bama twice to be considered the mNC, but Bama only has to beat LSU once. I also have no interest in this game. I already know who the better team is.
11/9/11 - the day the music died.
The bitter with the better.
by Esteban d' Amur on Dec 29, 2011 1:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If Bama wins
I fully advocate a shared National Title. Their only losses are to each other, which one is better? Neither.
Fire Dan Snyder
by Cari Greene on Dec 29, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
what?
i was responding to the idea that if you arent good enough to win your conference (And Bama wasnt, there is no denying that) than you shouldnt be arbitrarily placed in a game that determines the best in the country. Because not only was Bama NOT good enough to win their conference, they couldnt even get to the conference championship game because they werent good enough to win their division.
If you cant EARN your way to a conference championship game, why should you be even considered to be “GIVEN” a national championship game?
So any team who doesn't win its conference
wasn’t good enough to win it?
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Thats how college football works
Or at least how its supposed to.
Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?
by psuphysicist on Dec 29, 2011 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
Then Oklahoma State is worse than ISU?
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
But yet, somehow, they won their conference
I won’t even get into how the circumstances were remarkably different between OSU’s loss vs. Bama’s or Bama’s vastly inferior schedule.
"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13
by kijana's acl on Dec 29, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
Because their conference didn't have LSU.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
The benefit of playing in the SEC (right now)
is that if you win the SEC, you punch your ticket to the NC. The downside is that each year there are two to three very good teams that you should must beat to get that reward. How is this hard?
"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13
by kijana's acl on Dec 29, 2011 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
It's not.
Bama blew out everybody except LSU, and took them to OT. OSU struggled to win several times and lost to ISU in OT.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
OSU's win over Oklahoma
is heads and shoulders better than any win Bama had this year. ANd its not close.
No...
J Tadpole, because their name isn’t Oklahoma.
11/9/11 - the day the music died.
The bitter with the better.
by Esteban d' Amur on Dec 29, 2011 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
That's why they won their conference?
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
They aren't in the NC title game
That’s the argument
Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?
by psuphysicist on Dec 29, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
If they were, they would have.
Tired of the “could’ve” and “should’ve” BS about all this.
Could Bama have won the division? Of course. But they weren’t good enough during the LSU game. Period.
"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84
Thank you for stating my point much clearer than I did.
Sometimes I’m amazed people can ever understand what I’ve written.
"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84
Then how did Florida beat Florida State to win it all?
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
They didn't.
The real national champion of 1996 was Dan Gable’s Iowa squad.
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
b/c they played..
a stupid rematch.
11/9/11 - the day the music died.
The bitter with the better.
by Esteban d' Amur on Dec 29, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
But were they good enough?
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Finding an equally wrong example
doesn’t make you right.
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by kijana's acl on Dec 29, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
I asked a question.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
I asked if Florida was good enough to beat FSU
after losing to them.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
good enough
of course, but that was pre BCS – Arizona St. should’ve played FSU for the title that year.
11/9/11 - the day the music died.
The bitter with the better.
by Esteban d' Amur on Dec 29, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
Then this is false.
by not winning it
then, by definition, you weren’t good enough to win it.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Frankly...
I don’t remember who the other teams were that year.
11/9/11 - the day the music died.
The bitter with the better.
by Esteban d' Amur on Dec 29, 2011 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
Who gives a shit
I don’t want to watch a rematch. The first game was garbage. Alabama made mental mistake after mental mistake. They executed poorly, and the coaching was shitty. LSU still needed a few clutch plays to win. I’d rather see LSU play Okie State or Wisconsin to get a measuring stick for how good LSU and or Alabama really are.
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by psuphysicist on Dec 29, 2011 1:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I get that.
Majority opinion isn’t a criteria.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Ah but it is.
It’s a beauty pageant by the voters isn’t it?
"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84
The voters are not the majority.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
No, but the majority opinion of the voters
is the biggest criteria.
"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84
Sure.
And the voters are voting on who they think is better, not who the viewers want to see.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Obviously.
Otherwise we wouldn’t be having this discussion.
"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84
The voters
They don’t know what they are talking about half the time. And the other half don’t seem to care.
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by psuphysicist on Dec 29, 2011 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
But the general public does?
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Nobody does
So why have a stupid rematch? Use the bowl system as it was supposed to be used: to play teams you would otherwise not get to play that are also very good.
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by psuphysicist on Dec 29, 2011 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly
Why replay when the other team – with the same record (in terms of losses) against better competition – doesn’t get a shot at LSU? Frankly, if I were an LSU fan without an enormous hard on for all things SEC (unlikely, I know), I’d be pissed at having to beat ANY team twice.
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by kijana's acl on Dec 29, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'll be frank
I think LSU would totally kick Oklahoma State’s butt if they played. But that doesn’t change the fact that Oklahoma State definitely deserves to be involved with this game more than a team WHO HAS ALREADY LOST THIS GAME.
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
Agree with Rambler about the probable outcome
But I’d actually watch that game, because, you know, I haven’t seen it before.
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by kijana's acl on Dec 29, 2011 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
Not only that,
but you tried it and it sucked.
"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84
Well
To be fair, I might watch this game (Even if it is on the sports equivalent of Entertainment Tonight) because I didn’t watch the first game. But I’d be vastly more intrigued by Gundy vs. Miles because that’s the game that ought to be played.
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
I agree Rambler
I don’t think Okie State wins. They just don’t play enough defense for me to believe they could be LSU. However, I’d rather watch that game. I don’t even like the fact that there might be rematches in conference championship games.
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by psuphysicist on Dec 29, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
You prefer blowouts?
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
I'd prefer a blowout
to TD-less game of “who wants to win this game less”
"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84
I’d prefer a blowout if it actually proved that LSU’s the best team in the country.
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
I prefer games I haven't seen
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by psuphysicist on Dec 29, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
Tadpole
What is the justification for Bama to play LSU again? That Okie State lost to ISU? Is that it? There are many more reasons for a new game vs. a rematch of a shitty game. I can’t work with you if you can’t accept the fact that a large segment of college football fans think your team was handed an undeserved gift.
"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13
by kijana's acl on Dec 29, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
I completely accept the fact that they think that.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
They just don’t play enough defense for me to believe they could be LSU.
Oh, you never know though. They did go 11-1 against a tougher schedule than Alabama. Cough cough.
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
But against a conference that notoriously doesn’t play defense. Alabama went 11-1 against a notoriously hyped SEC schedule. If I were an LSU fan, I’d be pissed. I’d rather prove that they were the best team in the country by beating as many different teams as they could.
What the hell does beating Bama again prove? Nothing. But if Bama wins, then it proves…nothing. Why not just make college football two different divisions: The SEC and everyone else.
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by psuphysicist on Dec 29, 2011 1:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
we are not talking about conference championships
in that case they at least won their division. They earned the rematch in that scenario.
A little late, sorry...
If you can’t win your conference, you have no business in the national title game.
So should Penn State claim any National Championships?
Thirteen.
Personally, I neither claim any "national championships" for Penn State,
nor recognize any claimed by other schools. There has never been a D1 (or whatever the vogue terminology is) national champion. Rather, there have only been teams voted number one in polls, some of which are more legitimate than others. All the BCS does is costume this actuality in an attempt to create the illusion of a champion. Hell, when I was younger, nobody even talked in terms of “national champion.” The idea was to be voted number one. Frankly, I would prefer to return to that pre Bowl Alliance/BCS world and let the arguments resume on more consciously fictitious ground.
"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
Well, then neither could Notre Dame, da U (maybe 1)
or a host of other schools. Thanks for stopping by.
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by kijana's acl on Dec 30, 2011 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
It is happening, there is nothing you can do about it now
the problem I have is that everyone keeps telling me that the #1 reason there is no playoff is because it would make the regular season meaningless. Yet this game makes the regular season just as meaningless.
by swiggy04 on Dec 29, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Any time a one loss team gets in
It makes at least one game from the season meaningless.
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." -Bertrand Russell
that could be argued
but when a 1 loss team gets in and plays the team that beat them, then that first game is totally meaningless.
dont change the argument
I have no problem with a team that has a loss winning the national title or even playing for it. If 1986 Penn State lost to bama and then beat bama in the title game, then youd have a point here. They didnt. They beat the best team that year in the bowl game.
My argument isnt that Alabama has a loss so they shouldnt play for the title. My argument is alabama already has a loss to the team they are playing for the title. This game proves nothing if Alabama wins, certainly not that Alabama is the best team in the country
I think you mean 1982
Accuracy: helping winning arguments since forever.
"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13
by kijana's acl on Dec 30, 2011 10:35 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Thread necro is bad...
was looking for something else, ended up here.
And yep, I certainly did mean 1982. As I’m sure most here know, Penn State didn’t lose in 1986, including beating Alabama. Hell of a year for Penn State.
And so I only reply once (and not that I’m under any delusion that anyone’s actually going to come back here and read this, except for me, apparently), the point I was trying to make above was in response to TexaninNYC, not to swiggy’s comment. If I were responding to swiggy’s comment, I would have referenced the 1996 National Championhip rematch between Florida and Florida State, which I think I have already done eslewhere in this thread.
Fourteen.
I hate the idea of a playoff
Because it will keep being expanded and expanded until, one year, you have an 8-4 Michigan/LSU/VT getting hot at the right time of year and winning a national title. I think Esteban’s idea of requiring a conference championship works perfectly.
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by kijana's acl on Dec 29, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
So you'd want the best two teams playing
Not just one who lost at the wrong time. Gotcha.
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." -Bertrand Russell
I didn't realize that the notion that Bama is one of the two best teams was settled as fact
Thanks for setting me straight.
I think Bama is one of the three best teams this year. I also know that they absolutely choked away a HOME game against LSU already this year. I don’t know why they should get a rematch when they previously failed in the most favorable environment possible.
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by kijana's acl on Dec 29, 2011 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't say that.
Obviously, there is no objective way to know who is better. I think looking at a lot of things, including margins of victory, stats, and the like, you can make a case that Alabama is the second best team in the country. My problem is not with people who think Okie St. is better than Alabama; my problem is with people who say that it doesn’t matter if they are or not because Alabama shouldn’t be in the Championship Game even if they ARE the second best team.
Of course, this would all be settled by just letting Alabama and Oklahoma State play a game.
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." -Bertrand Russell
Because Alabama hasn't had the chance to play LSU this year.
Oh, wait.
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
Or by barring teams that can't win their division from the NC
That works too.
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by kijana's acl on Dec 29, 2011 12:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well, the idea is to find out who should be named the "champion" though, correct?
As far as that goes, we have opened ourselves up to a team with a worse record (by winning percentage), a split head to head with the loss at home and a win on a neutral site, being named the better team and national champion. Based on when the game was played. Haven’t we already settled whether LSU or Alabama is better?
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by PSUinBOSSton on Dec 29, 2011 12:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Nope.
Just who won in OT.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
but in college football
hasn’t that been the determination over who was better? you know, the score at the end of the game?
Fire Dan Snyder
Nope.
Too many examples of this to mention…
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Alabama...
was terrible in that OT on offense and lost. End of story.
11/9/11 - the day the music died.
The bitter with the better.
by Esteban d' Amur on Dec 29, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
Yep.
Doesn’t mean they aren’t number two through the regular season though.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
I don't think...
they are, but that’s pointless. I already know they aren’t better than LSU.
11/9/11 - the day the music died.
The bitter with the better.
by Esteban d' Amur on Dec 29, 2011 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
You know they're dead even.
CFB eliminated ties or that would have been one.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
No...
one had 3 more points than the other. The score is the score.
11/9/11 - the day the music died.
The bitter with the better.
by Esteban d' Amur on Dec 29, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
Correct.
Doesn’t mean one is better.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
yes it does....
someone one, someone lost. the winner was better that day. Not by much, but they were.
11/9/11 - the day the music died.
The bitter with the better.
by Esteban d' Amur on Dec 29, 2011 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
Then why even play any games at all?
We should just decide which team looks better on paper and award them a NC.
"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84
Kinda what we do.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
But you just made the point that
winning a game doesn’t mean you’re the better team. Why would we play the games if that isn’t the case?
"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84
It's a beauty pageant.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
And that's not how it should be.
"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84
But it is.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
I fail to see where you're going with this.
"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84
Do you watch the NFL?
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Well,
I asked if you watch the NFL, where crazy things ha;pen like the eventual SB winning Packers lose to an ATL team in the regular season, then blow them out in a playoff rematch.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
they dont play each other one time
in the NFL. They have a playoff in the NFL. There are 30 teams in the NFL. The talent levels are all very close. The best teams dont lost to the worst teams just like Alabama isnt losing to Kentucky.
If we arbitrarily picked the best team in teh NFC and the best in the AFC, and GreenBay and NO both had one loss. And GB lost to the Colts and NO lost to Atlanta, then the best team on paper doesnt deserve to go to the Super Bowl.
The NFL is vastly different than CFB
Parity exists in the NFL due to the talent level of all of the players and the salary cap.
Very few comparisons between college football and the NFL have merit
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by psuphysicist on Dec 29, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
There's also nothing to prove that they are.
It’s all way too subjective to only have the NC include two teams. You’re claiming that Bama’s one loss is way better than OkSU’s one loss. That’s fine. But one could also make the argument that OkSU’s 11 wins were better than Bama’s.
Why does one get more credence over the other?
"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84
Actually
Bama has the best win too.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Again, you're just taking another way of looking at it.
Plus, if Bama gets a pass for having “an off day” and losing a game they shouldn’t have, why don’t the cowboys?
"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84
Never said that.
You have to choose a 12-1 team to play against LSU. Bama has been more dominant, easily.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Against a statistically inferior schedule, mind you.
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
According to who?
Sagarin’s computers claim the 10 B12 teams had the 10 toughest schedules.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Stolen from another poster in another thread
Oklahoma’s State’s SOS: Sagarin—#6, Colley—#5
Alabama’s SOS: Sagarin—#24, Colley—#26
Alabama lost to LSU at home. Oklahoma State has not even played LSU and they have played a tougher schedule. How does Alabama “deserve” another shot more than Oklahoma State when Alabama has been proven, on the field, to be inferior to LSU?
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
Again
Sagarin has the ten teams in the B12 with the top ten hardest schedules. You believe that?
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Can you give me an actual justification for why I shouldn’t believe that?
Also, what about Colley?
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
Same thing.
The B12 went 27-3 in OOC play, propping up everyone’s rankings and thus their SOS. Few of those 27 were really impresive wins though.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Few of those 27 were really impresive wins though.
Perhaps. But unlike Alabama in their game against LSU, those Big 12 teams won.
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
You're argument is....
…That the B12 strength of schedule was inflated by wins against teams with lots of wins?
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
by jesse. on Dec 29, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes. I do.
Of course this could be tested if Wisconsin got to play LSU in the title game. They did have two losses, both of which came on last second hail marys
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by psuphysicist on Dec 29, 2011 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
If Wisconsin wanted to play for the national championship, then they should have a) Developed a run defense and b) scheduled a road game before late October.
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with that Rambler
But I’d still rather see Wisconsin play against LSU than Bama. Also, I think Wisconsin might actually beat them. Of course, we’ll neve know.
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by psuphysicist on Dec 29, 2011 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
Well if we have to choose a 12-1 team,
I guess that should be Houston.
"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84
Terrible in all facets
Mental mistakes, poor execution, shitty play calling. It was downright awful
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by psuphysicist on Dec 29, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
So, it's like Hoss's?
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
Bingo.
The idea that a playoff means the “best” team wins a championship is so silly. If people admitted that they like a playoff because it feels more fun to watch, then fine. But let’s not act like it’s a the most “fair” way to award a championship.
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by PSUinBOSSton on Dec 29, 2011 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
There is no "fair" way to award a championship.
"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84
No, but most of the playoff argument is based
on it being the “most fair”. I don’t think that’s true. It’s the most profitable way to award a champion, but let’s not pretend like the intent is to have them “settle it on the field”.
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by PSUinBOSSton on Dec 29, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
Speaking for myself, I’m not against the BCS because a playoff system or some other solution would be fairer. I’m against the BCS because it’s stupid as hell.
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 12:13 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Of course that's the intent.
You can separate wanting it to be fair and wanting to see it settled on the field. There’s nothing fair about setting a 12-0 SEC champion and a 9-3 Big East champion on level ground for a playoff, but it’s the best way to see it settled on the field rather than by voters.
"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84
No, it's not.
The intent of the (ever expanding) playoffs in sports is to get more viewers for more games that they are more likely to watch. The more you open the door to “wild card” additions, the less likely you are to have the best team win.
It’s a very difficult puzzle in CFB because there are so many teams, so many conferences, and so few games. It will never be perfect. But the more teams you open it up to, the more likely you are to get a team that doesn’t even deserve an opportunity getting hot and being named “national champion”.
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by PSUinBOSSton on Dec 29, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
The fault is obsessing over having the "best team" win.
There’s no way to ever objectively decide who “the best team” is. There’s nothing wrong with a cinderella winning a national championship, because at the end of the day there were multiple opportunities for the “more deserving” teams to put a stop to it.
"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84
exactly.
every “deserving” team had a shot to do what UConn did, and they didnt do it.
If Ohio State wants to talk trash to UConn fans saying they were better thats fine. But they cant rightly say they were more deserving of a national title, because they had the chance to prove it.
On the flip side, If Alabama beats LSU, there could be 3 or 4 teams who could all strongly argue that they deserved to be national champions
Especially since the seedings reflect the results of the regular season.
UConn didn’t walk in with a 1-seed. Ohio State’s season of accomplishment gave them a top seed and (theoretically) the best possible path to the title game, even if seeding doesn’t hold. In basketball, it’s demonstrably true that every game matters in seeding and national title implications.
In college football, as one of our guests said above, anytime a one-loss team plays in a national title game (or there are multiple teams with the exact same record), it renders multiple games if not entire regular seasons meaningless because of the lack of connectivity in the sport.
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by Adam Collyer on Dec 29, 2011 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
Major disagreement.
Plenty of teams that did not deserve it had a chance. UConn among them. They went 9-9 in their conference, no business in the natinoal championship playoff.
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by PSUinBOSSton on Dec 29, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
They went..
17-0 in the non-conference.
11/9/11 - the day the music died.
The bitter with the better.
by Esteban d' Amur on Dec 29, 2011 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
If the point is not finding the best team,
then why were any teams eliminated? By that logic you should have a 120 team round robin.
And the more deserving team doesn’t have multiple opportunities. The sample size is so small you are not gaurding against outliers.
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by PSUinBOSSton on Dec 29, 2011 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
And obviously, a round robin would be about as close as we can get.
But it’s still a flawed system. What happens when you have three teams that all beat every other team except each other?
But in a playoff, the “more deserving” teams are pitted against the “less deserving” teams. If these teams were so appreciably better or worse, you wouldn’t have any upsets.
"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84
you can find a flaw in any system
but the point im making is not that a playoff is flawless, its that it makes debates about it useless. I cant seriously make a strong case to a UConn fan that Syracuse was more deserving of a national title last year, especially when Syracuse lost in the 2nd round. Was Cuse better, absolutely. Can I argue they should have been national champs? No. Neither can Ohio State, Duke, Kansas, or Pitt.
If Bama wins, Bama, LSU and Okie State all have legit arguments at a national title and the debate remains.
It looks to me like your two paragraphs
are two different opinions that cannot be reconciled with each other. Because of the entry requirements in one flawed system being very loose, they can claim to be national champions by winning in that system.
Because of the very stringent entry requirements in another very flawed systed, they cannot claim to be nation champions even if they win that system.
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by PSUinBOSSton on Dec 29, 2011 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
they are different
If there was a playoff, Okie State would not have a complaint if they dont play for the national title.
As it stands today, they do.
Kind of like how FSU won the National Championship in 1996?
If Bama wins, Bama, LSU and Okie State all have legit arguments at a national title and the debate remains.
Thirteen.
the system is flawed
we all know that. It was just as flawed in 96 as it is now. Jake Plummer should have had a shot at that title game for sure.
Mistakes from 15 years ago dont justify repeating those same mistakes today.
That's just untrue.
Not even worth the effort of naming all of the clearly appreciably worse teams that upset good and even great teams.
And I’m not advocating for the current system. If anything, this year proves what utter garbage it is. But I’m pointing out that a playoff is not any more rational way to decide the champion. Our own CCG goes to show that the same exact problem exists in the “automatic” entry scenarios.
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by PSUinBOSSton on Dec 29, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
The fact that there are upsets at all
proves that those teams deserved to be there. The only tournament I’ve ever seen that has any “undeserving” teams is March Madness, and only for the 16 seeds. The fact that there has never been an upset, ever, is the scenario in which there’s any proof that the 16 seeds are undeserving.
"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84
I would agree with you if there were a decent sample size.
But with just one game it doesn’t prove that they deserve to be there.
We seem to depart at the definition of “deserve”. If there is a large enough sample size tested against one particular group, and they don’t have a claim at being the best in that group, I don’t think they should have a shot at proving to be the best in the nation.
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by PSUinBOSSton on Dec 29, 2011 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
again every system has it flaws
i mean the two best teams in baseball didnt play each other for the world series. Nor in the NBA, nor for the Super Bowl But no one is saying the Packers were less deserving of being champs, no one is saying the Cardinals dont deserve a banner and no one is saying the Mavs should give back their rings. And why? because its a playoff. If you are in a playoff and you dont win, you cant complain about who did. And if you dont make the playoff, you cant complain either. SO what are we left with?
A champion with no rational debate against it.
There are teams that will argue about whether they deserved to make the playoffs.
The debate over who should be #3 would simply move to who should be #9 or #13 or #17 or however many teams there are in the playoff.
"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84
Sure you do.
For the record, I want a playoff.
But the only way to ensure as little grumbling as possible would be to only allow conference champions in the bracket.
But you’ll also hear grumbling about the seeding. Why does the Pac 12 champ get the #3 but the B1G only get #4? Etc.
"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84
maybe
but if you are in, your seeding shouldnt matter. If you are good enough you will win. i agree youd have that argument, but i dont think you could argue you deserve to be named national champ over someone who won the tournament you were in and didnt win. blaming seed is just whining.
Its not whining for OSU to say they deserve at least a share of national championship if LSU loses.
Well, OSU has to win, as well...
for what it’s worth, I think they will. They have a very good team there in Stillwater.
Thirteen.
it doesnt
but you cant dispute the winner. If i team is good enough to win 3 games, they should be the national champ.
UConn was the 8th or 9th best team in the Big East for basketball last year. But they won the tournament. Were they the best team? No. But you dont hear many clammoring for a different system in NCAAB because the best team didnt win. Why? Because you cant really argue they didnt deserve it.
Not true (in my opinion),
you don’t hear clamoring because people think March Madness is exciting. It seems rather clear to me that UConn didn’t deserve to be named national champion. They deserved to be named champion of that tournament, but the sample size is so small that doesn’t make them the best team in the country.
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by PSUinBOSSton on Dec 29, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
i agree march madness is overrated
aside from thursday and friday of the first round. But, and trust me as a Cuse grad my hate for UConn knows no bounds, I find it difficult to badmouth their national title. I find it difficult to badmouth anyones NCAAB title. Because they actually did something no other team can say they did.
Which is a fine accomplishment.
But, in my view, does not give them an unassailable national champions title. If a team went 3-9 in the SEC, but was the only team that year to beat, say, Alabama, LSU, and South Carolina, then they did something no other team can say they did. Doesn’t mean we should give them a slot in a championship [game/playoff/tournament].
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by PSUinBOSSton on Dec 29, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
That scenario is so unlikely, it's comical you bring it up.
This adds nothing to the discussion, because it would never happen anyway.
"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84
It's not nearly as comical as you make it out to be.
Unlikely? Sure. Invalidating my point? Definitely not. Bad teams with few wins accomplish things “no other teams do”. It doesn’t make wash away all of their perceived deficiencies the way awarding them the “national champions” title does.
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by PSUinBOSSton on Dec 29, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
It does
when they accomplish those things in the championship tournament.
"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84
Good point!
It does when they accomplish those things in the championship tournament.
Kind of like how Alabama will be the National Champion if they beat LSU in the BCSNCG, despite losing to them in the regular season!
Thirteen.
That's not a tournament.
Even in a +1 system I’d be WAY more okay with LSU-Bama for the title.
"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84
youre missing a big part
not everyone has the chance to beat Bama LSU and Carolina. But when there are 68 teams in a tournament, all the best teams, and a lot of others, have a chance at the national title. The ease of that chance is weighted to give those teams who have proven to be the best throughout the season the best chance to win, as they deserve that.
in all sports
“national championship” =/= “best team”
It can be, but many times is most definitely not.
Take our WVB last year—we were good, but I don’t think we were the best. But we were clutch and won the NCAAs.
Fire Dan Snyder
We actually agree very strongly on that point.
But most fans do not. For most, awarding that trophy ends all debate.
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by PSUinBOSSton on Dec 29, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
This is perfect . . .
Everywhere I look I see confirmation of the prescience of the great George W. S. Trow. Well before 100+ cable channels, before the world wide web, and before mobile devices, he persuasively argued that culture would become some media-driven mutant form, constantly turning on and consuming itself.
Alas, there is no telos.
"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
by SubLime on Dec 29, 2011 10:58 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
You know, after all this hype in the last few days of the hire being a "9th inning grand slam", there are going to be a lot of angry people if it turns out the next coach is ham sandwich.
Luring recruits with my new "Posting HD" scheme since '08.
Ham Sandwich = Clements?
"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13
by kijana's acl on Dec 29, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
Pretty sure he means an actual ham sandwich.
"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84
Have you ever seen Clements without brown mustard and rye bread?
Have you?
"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13
by kijana's acl on Dec 29, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
We need to stop talking about food
so close to lunch time. It’s bad enough I’m on BSD all day, next thing you know I’ll be going down the street to get a ham sandwich.
"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84
That settles it
I’m finding a place where I can get a cuban sandwhich for lunch. But I guess if none of those exist I’ll settle for chick fil a
Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?
by psuphysicist on Dec 29, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
Chick fil a is a huge step down from a cuban sandwich
Like falling down an open elevator shaft kind of step down. Go find that cuban sandwich and report back.
"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13
by kijana's acl on Dec 29, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
Although he could do much worse than chick fil a
this is all taking so long, I just want to get a sandwich and be done with it!
"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84
I'm in the MD suburbs of DC
but I can drive down to McLean, VA if anyone has any suggestions of where to find a good cuban sandwich
Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?
by psuphysicist on Dec 29, 2011 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
If you find a good cuban sandwich in that general area please report.
more male than the post office
If you could make it to Columbia Pike
you’d have a strong chance. Any cuban sandwich that you find in McLean will suck. A lot.
"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13
by kijana's acl on Dec 29, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
LOL
How is that racist? 7 Corners has great asian food. Columbia pike has a concentration of Mexican, Peruvian, Cuban, etc.
Best takeout food in Arlington? The Italian Store.
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by kijana's acl on Dec 29, 2011 12:04 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Clearly I'm Serious.
but yeah if anyone knows a place for a good cuban, on columbia pike or otherwise, hip me to that, dude
more male than the post office
Trust me, when I (rarely) type LOL
I mean it. Thank god my office door was closed.
I have no insight into good eats on or around Columbia Pike any more. There used to be a number of Peruvian chicken places down there, but some of those were closed due to money laundering right about the time that I left town (2006ish).
"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13
by kijana's acl on Dec 29, 2011 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
I totally agree
The Italian Store is amazing
Tho’ much is taken, much abides; and though we are not now that strength which in old days moved earth and heaven; that which we are, We Are - Tennyson
Agree. Abi's Restaurant on Columbia Pike is great Mexican
Fairly small restaurant, and it’s basically in the side of a 7-11 structure, but it has great atmosphere and awesome happy hour discounts.
I work down on the MD/VA border
But I live up in Rockville. I would make a trip to Germantown for a good cuban sandwich.
Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?
by psuphysicist on Dec 29, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
There is a hole-in-the-wall named Mary's Restaurant
I had an excellent Cuban from there a few years ago. Of course, it’s been a few years, so it may not be the same…
Fire Dan Snyder
Is this a Cristobal joke?
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
by psume06 on Dec 29, 2011 1:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Denny's
Grand Slam Breakfast!!! with limp bacon
by The Booster on Dec 29, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
I am eating a ham sandwich
and I am not dissapointed at all.
I wouldn't want Saban
I mean, honestly, getting a top tier coach is what we need and what we all want — but I’m uncomfortable with getting Saban for a lot of reasons. I want a guy with some kind of PSU ties, not a hired gun.
Anyway, the flashlights eat our human power grids, our souls if you will. So i destroyed them, and if a few precious panties were burnt or soiled in the reckoning then so be it
From my experience teaching at one of Nick's stops,
I can tell you that he tends to recruit decent and smart kids and absolutely does get them to class. A behavior that was largely optional here before Gerry DiNardo.
Also: Were this absurdity to actually happen, clowns like Jones and Giger would pine for the good ole days with their pal Paterno.
"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
This is awesome
The fact that crazy rumors made up out of thin air can get this kind of attention is making this otherwise-frustrating coaching search pretty damn entertaining.
How are we going to start the rumor that the university is considering hiring JoePa back?
by newenglandnittanylion on Dec 29, 2011 11:15 AM EST via Android app reply actions 5 recs
I want to get my name thrown in somehow
That way I can have a press conference in my driveway to neither confirm or deny my interest in the job. Maybe I can even do the interview shirtless and doing sit-ups, TO style.
I, for one, plan to continue my life long contempt for the powers that be and I fully expect to be disappointed with whatever choice is made. ~PSUgirl
Or better yet
let’s start the rumor that Notre Dame is going to fire Kelly and hire JoePa.
I'm not saying, but I'm just saying. If this does happen, I'm going to buy some lottery tickets....bc this is what I said yesterday afternoon. And I have as many inside sources within PSU as Joe Schad does...
Interesting to see that nobody believes PSU is going to land the head coach they want
So it seems like the internets are going to be lit on fire when the new head coach is hired, since he will ultimately be someone that PSU "settles" on.
I’d like to see Petersen, but agree with everyone else that it probably won’t happen. And I’ll go out on a limb and say that PSU ends up hiring Nick Saban. Look out for that press conference scheduled on January 10th!
by GMac14 on Dec 28, 2011 2:45 PM EST replyactions
loldaveyjones? Is that you?
Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?
by psuphysicist on Dec 29, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
50 bucks say loldaveyjones is, in fact, actually David Jones.
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Freaking -
HILARIOUS!
" When you cross that Blue Line, you are mine...Across the Blue Line, it's all football. " " And what you need to do in your life is paint Blue Lines everywhere. " - Joe Paterno 2009
by BlueWhiteLife on Dec 29, 2011 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
Mangini?????
It’s on SI.com. God… no. I hope this is false too.
I just don't want to die without a few scars. ~Chuck Palahniuk, Fight Club, Chapter 6
He'd be a slightly better higher than Jerry Sandusky.
But that’s as far as I’ll go.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
by jesse. on Dec 29, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
The Mangini rumor is weapons grade bullshit
I saw a girl crying tonight. When I asked why she said: "Because everybody lost."
Black Shoe Diaries
@runthedive
by Peter Gray on Dec 29, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
"weapons grade bullshit"
stolen. I will use this frequently and without giving proper credit (because I will forget who wrote it). Sorry and thank you.
"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13
by kijana's acl on Dec 29, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Use it in good health.
I saw a girl crying tonight. When I asked why she said: "Because everybody lost."
Black Shoe Diaries
@runthedive
Good ol Mike Missannelli
I spelled his name about as accurately as he usually reports.
I, for one, plan to continue my life long contempt for the powers that be and I fully expect to be disappointed with whatever choice is made. ~PSUgirl
Well, it would fit with the search committee wanting a guy with NFL experience
Some guy at Penn State Hershey just discovered a virus that eats cancer. Where were the CNN trucks for that? Now Someone at PSU found something that could cure Leukemia. Coverage? None. THON will probably break $10 mil this year. Put that on "Outside the Lines" you sanctimonious pricks!
by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Dec 29, 2011 11:28 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I had some pretty sweet NFL seasons...
playing Madden. I’m sure my record is better than Mangini’s.
I just don't want to die without a few scars. ~Chuck Palahniuk, Fight Club, Chapter 6
by LB31Monster on Dec 29, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
If we got a tubber like mangini, at least we could make fat jokes
Some guy at Penn State Hershey just discovered a virus that eats cancer. Where were the CNN trucks for that? Now Someone at PSU found something that could cure Leukemia. Coverage? None. THON will probably break $10 mil this year. Put that on "Outside the Lines" you sanctimonious pricks!
by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Dec 29, 2011 11:34 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Then when
Penn State and Kansas played eachother… Lookout!!!! Objects are bigger than they appear.
by The Booster on Dec 29, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
lolphins
I saw a girl crying tonight. When I asked why she said: "Because everybody lost."
Black Shoe Diaries
@runthedive
Aso, everyone should go onto pen live and post as "loldaveyjones"
Some guy at Penn State Hershey just discovered a virus that eats cancer. Where were the CNN trucks for that? Now Someone at PSU found something that could cure Leukemia. Coverage? None. THON will probably break $10 mil this year. Put that on "Outside the Lines" you sanctimonious pricks!
by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Dec 29, 2011 11:30 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Why the hell would Penn State want Nick Saban anyway?
Oh, yeah, I want the guy who arrogantly dismisses concerns over oversigning WHICH TOTALLY ISN’T SLEAZY.
Nick Saban is a great football coach. He’s also kind of a big jerk. Penn State doesn’t need to replace Joe Paterno with a guy who’s kind of a big jerk.
My point is that every Penn State fan who got excited over this rumor should not be a Penn State fan because they obviously don’t understand Penn State football.
Oh, and by the way, the funniest thing in that rumor was the guy’s point about Saban and Michigan State. Aside from the fact that it’s completely pointless in relation to Saban coming to Penn State, well, if he loved Michigan State so much, why did he not even stick around for their bowl game after the ’99 season?
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 11:30 AM EST reply actions 5 recs
Hey at least he allowed us to score a touchdown in Beaver Stadium. That was pretty nice of him.
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
Franco Harris:
"If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time."
You know what? Why am I doing this?
Screw that post.
I want Saban.
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
I rec'd that post
Now I guess I’ll have to flag this one.
Saban can suck it.
Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?
by psuphysicist on Dec 29, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
on the other hand...
saban never covered up for a child rapist.
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by kleph on Dec 29, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
He and Paterno have a lot in common
Maybe it’s a good fit after all.
by speedotito on Dec 29, 2011 11:38 AM EST up reply actions 11 recs
I don't know, does having "not covering up for a child rapist" in common
really mean you have a lot in common? By that standard I should be the next coach.
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by PSUinBOSSton on Dec 29, 2011 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
The depth of both my sadness and anger is unfathomable.
We (Still) Are...
by PSU_Buch on Dec 29, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
OH NOW YOU DONE IT KLEPH
EVERYONE TAKE COVER
I saw a girl crying tonight. When I asked why she said: "Because everybody lost."
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@runthedive
Seriously?
That remark was playful, and you’re gonna play along?
jtothetweet
Make sure this dead horse doesn't move while I go get my beatin' stick.
by jtothep on Dec 29, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
/and in so doing approves the remark as acceptable
jtothetweet
Make sure this dead horse doesn't move while I go get my beatin' stick.
by jtothep on Dec 29, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Hey, I got a shirt for you, ol' Socrates:
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
I love how this very well could happen
but not because of anything even remotely related to kleph’s comment.
"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84
So at least Paterno and Saban have one thing in common
Some guy at Penn State Hershey just discovered a virus that eats cancer. Where were the CNN trucks for that? Now Someone at PSU found something that could cure Leukemia. Coverage? None. THON will probably break $10 mil this year. Put that on "Outside the Lines" you sanctimonious pricks!
by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Dec 29, 2011 11:43 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
YOU HAVE LESS CLASS THAN BARRY KRAUSE!
AND YOU READ WORSE THAN BOO RADLEY!
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
You leave Boo Radley out of this.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
by OctaShields on Dec 29, 2011 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
Yes...
because when I think of classy, morally upstanding, flawless individuals, Nick Saban just jumps to the head of the list.
11/9/11 - the day the music died.
The bitter with the better.
by Esteban d' Amur on Dec 29, 2011 11:53 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I thought I understood Penn State Football
but nothing about the last 2 months has been familiar. I think that most Penn Staters are looking for an identity other than what’s actually happening. For Nick Saban to suddenly don white and blue – would be insane – almost more insane than our current reality and it would certainly be something else to talk about.
Penn State fans, through their requisite avoidance of the water cooler, have been parched since Nov 5th – let em have a little drop.
Yes or no.
Would you be pleased with Penn State hiring Nick Saban?
If anyone says yes, my supporters and I (I like to think of myself as a modern day De Gaulle – only without the cigarettes) will Amish-style shun you.
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
Luckily
this won’t be a problem. Though I think the vast majority of PSU fans would be happily be shunned by you and enjoy winning football games.
by Onestatewest on Dec 29, 2011 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
Because we never won games before
I, for one, plan to continue my life long contempt for the powers that be and I fully expect to be disappointed with whatever choice is made. ~PSUgirl
by jman07 on Dec 29, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Luckily
I’m not an Ohio State and, as such, I don’t care to compromise the best principles – the founding principles – of college athletics for winning!
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It is better to have a bad coach than to have none.
Penn State could go without a coach and lose every game for four straight seasons and they still wouldn’t totally betray what Penn State football is supposed to stand for.
And I do have friends. I have my parents and a dog. That’s three! Not many people have as many as three friends!
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
mais...
la france n’a pas d’amis elle n’a que des intérêts
Il vaut mieux avoir une méthode mauvaise plutôt que de n’en avoir aucune.
Aber ich habe eine V-1 fliegende Bombe in meiner Hose!
Aha!
Ich spreche Deutsch jetzt! Wie Sie Französisch sind, muss der Klang meiner deutsch sprechen zu dir fliehen! Lassen Sie Ihre Waffe und flieht! Aha!
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Rambler...
Spot just died. Sorry to have to tell you.
— Dad.
I just don't want to die without a few scars. ~Chuck Palahniuk, Fight Club, Chapter 6
by LB31Monster on Dec 29, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Crap.
Now I’m gonna to have to shoot my pistol like Jimmie Rodgers to vent my blues.
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
I would be pleased
I have seen his program up close at their annual high school coach’s clinic in march and he handles himself very professionally. I am pissed at what happened to Joe, I am doubly pissed at the piling on that had taken place on a national level. But I refuse to hold the future hostage for the ransom of a past that isn’t coming back. We need to remember the past, but look forward at the same time.
If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris
by carolinaeasy on Dec 29, 2011 6:58 PM EST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
Although, I will say this much: I would much rather have Saban than Clements or anyone else for one reason and one reason only: Finebaum’s show would be AMAZING.
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 11:32 AM EST reply actions
I always had Saban pegged as a Hoss's guy
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
by OctaShields on Dec 29, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
Value. America. Hoss's.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
by jesse. on Dec 29, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I've always wanted to go in there, but always had a (seemingly) much better option.
Am I missing out on anything?
"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84
No.
Even when I was six, I knew Hoss’s sucked.
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
That's what I assumed.
Just wanted to make sure.
"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84
Sucked = Fine Dining in Venango County.
"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
It's not bad actually.
You can blow yourself up for $15-$20 a person. All you can eat soup/salad/deserts, free refills on the drinks. You can bring your kids there, and nobody really cares that much if get a little restless. It’s not the best steak you’ll ever have, but I assure you that it won’t be the worst. No booze is what always waves me off, but sometimes it hits the spot.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
Hoss's is the worst steak I've ever had.
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
I bet my best friend a Hoss's Steak dinner
if Cowher became HC… kinda funny since it was last night!
Makes sense.
Kind of like an Eat N Park or Friendly’s then?
Sometimes, you just get a hankering for mediocre. Not that there’s anything wrong with that. I’m guilty of frequenting Eat N Park my senior year at PSU.
"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84
Sometimes, you just get a hankering for mediocre.
So people like you are responsible for the 2010 Penn State team!
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
I'd go to Hoss's before either of those places...
…all things being equal. It’s kind of like a Ponderosa, if you’ve ever been there. Are you missing anything? No, I suppose not. But unlike Rambler, I take the position that I usually get what I pay for when I go there. And I leave full.
Like I said above, it’s where you go when you got a hankering for steak, custody of a five year old, and no desire to cook.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
Ponderosa isn't bad
when you want to eat as much as you possibly can while spending about $12 a pop.
I, for one, plan to continue my life long contempt for the powers that be and I fully expect to be disappointed with whatever choice is made. ~PSUgirl
Well, I can kinda see your logic.
But Octa is a nut.
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
I have to confess something
I voluntarily chose to get a pizza from Pizza Hut a few weeks back. Didn’t tell anyone from work, went down and got a medium pepperoni, brought it back to the office and closed my door while I ate all but one piece. I usually pay for my lunches on a credit card so I can track my spending, but I paid cash for this one because I didn’t want my wife to see the charge. She would have been so disappointed in my culinary decision.
by PSU Mudder on Dec 29, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You're almost as bad as Tressel.
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
This is a safe place
Thanks for your admission brother Mudder.
A man has to do what a man has to do.
Hoss’s and the Rosa were regular stops for my family growing up. Good value for the money.
I can also report that every Hoss’s in PA is identical. Well, my sample size is about four, but they are well distributed.
I’d also like to point out that the Red Lobster in Altoona is pretty good, but if anyone can suggest somewhere more interesting to eat before (or after) attending a Curve game, I’d like to hear it. My Altoona knowledge is pretty thin, but I do like to see the Curve a few times a summer.
by reedjohnmiller on Dec 29, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
New Super Champs.
And duh, my gulitiest pleasure, Hooters. Both are right off the exit for the mall, which I think is one exit away from the Stadium, if you head toward Pittsburgh.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
I don't care what anyone says.
Hooters wings are delicious, and I go there as much for the food as any other reason.
"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84
And the beer is domestic and freezing.
And it almost always comes out of a clean tap. I have killed entire afternoons at Hooters watching football. And you know, boobs.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
by jesse. on Dec 29, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Yeah, boobs.
"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84
by dbl5030 on Dec 29, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I can also report that every Hoss’s in PA is identical.
I guarantee that this is true.
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
Super Champs is incredible
there’s also a few “central PA Italian” places in downtown Altoona that are very cheap and decently good (one is called Villa Capri and is owned by a Sicilian dude who is awesome). If you’re coming from the west, you could stop at Amici’s in Ebensburg (about 25 mins from Altoona) which is the best Italian restaurant between Pittsburgh and Philly (maybe Harrisburg). It’s also owned by a relative of mine. A bit pricy though, but if a place has high prices in that region and doesn’t go under, you know it’s good.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
Thanks for the tips
“Altoona’s Hidden Gems” could be the name of a tour book, but more likely the name of an alt-country band.
by reedjohnmiller on Dec 29, 2011 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
No problem
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
The Pizza Hut confession
is the funniest thing I read all day.
"God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy"
Also, since we're confessing stuff
I really like Cracker Barrel. Good homey food, country music, lotsa candy in the gift shop, and that triangle golf tee thing I can never beat.
"God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy"
Occassionally I will eat at Cracker barrel
mostly when I want chicken fried steak with a side of chicken pot pie and a glass of diabetes. Its worth it though.
Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?
by psuphysicist on Dec 29, 2011 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
If Cracker Barrel is your guilty pleasure restaurant
You are pretty sophisticated. There are at least 2-3 rungs below it.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
I love McNuggets.
Love them. L-O-V-E. I just about died and went to heaven when the 20 for $5 deal came out.
And 4 dipping sauces? Now that’s just insane.
"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84
Now we're talking
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
Who has never tried a McRib?
I know I haven’t. I’m pretty non-discriminating when it comes to food but there’s just something about meat being mashed into something kinda sorta resembling a rib that makes me not want to partake.
I, for one, plan to continue my life long contempt for the powers that be and I fully expect to be disappointed with whatever choice is made. ~PSUgirl
by jman07 on Dec 29, 2011 2:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
They are amazing
Do yourself a favor and get it the next time they make them.
Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?
by psuphysicist on Dec 29, 2011 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
Madman.
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 2:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Last time I was in a McDonalds
They had them. I ordered two. And enjoyed every bite of them.
Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?
by psuphysicist on Dec 29, 2011 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
I've always been so damn curious about it.
I’ve also never met anyone who’s had one and liked it in real life, yet all that does is make we want to try one more.
But not enough to order it over McNuggets.
"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84
As nuggets go
I prefer Wendy’s over McD’s. And Burger Kings suck! Same with their “chicken fries” or whatever they were calling them.
I, for one, plan to continue my life long contempt for the powers that be and I fully expect to be disappointed with whatever choice is made. ~PSUgirl
Wendy's' (how do you add an ownership apostrophe to brand name with an apostrophe in it?) are great too. Just don't have a convenient location.
I’m such a fatty. I disgust me.
"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84
Plus
they don’t have a giant box of heart attack. You have to buy them 5 at a time. Although I love the new spicey nuggets. And yes, I’m a fat kid at heart that I try to avoid those restaurants so I can at least look at myself in the mirror occassionally haha
I, for one, plan to continue my life long contempt for the powers that be and I fully expect to be disappointed with whatever choice is made. ~PSUgirl
Easy
Order the McRib with a side of nuggets. Screw the fries. Or get them too. If you’re at a McDonalds you aren’t making great food choices anyways.
Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?
by psuphysicist on Dec 29, 2011 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
McRib... ugh.
I love the Hot Mustard sauce for McNuggets.
The depth of both my sadness and anger is unfathomable.
We (Still) Are...
I alway feel as though I've quit on life when I pull into a McD's parking lot
"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13
by kijana's acl on Dec 29, 2011 2:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Concur in full.
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
Me too
So I go into the place with a defeated attitude and order way too much. Its like I’ve already lost, so I might as well go full hog
Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?
by psuphysicist on Dec 29, 2011 2:15 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Honestly, I've been falling for a while
sometimes I do things like this just to finally get to “rock bottom” so I can start moving forward.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
They are faux-que
Just an abomination of a complex food genre.
If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris
by carolinaeasy on Dec 29, 2011 7:04 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Sophisticated food
My wife is Italian and a great cook, so we eat all sorts of good Italian food with lots of pasta, garlic, olive oil, and wine. So for me to have a meal of back-home-in- PA “farmer’s food” like you get at CB is a special kind of treat. Creamed cor, SOS, green beans in ham juice, sugary carrots…it’s like a day from my youth.
"God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy"
I understand your sentiment
I was just saying that Cracker Barrel is 2 or 3 rungs up from some other choices that make the same type of food. Like you have your Hoss’s, Ponderosa, Eat ‘n Park and then you have your Denny’s all below that.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
Hoss's is 2-3 rungs below CB?
I love and miss Hoss’s!! Haven’t been in one since my brother graduated in 94. Wasn’t that the place with the lit up menu board in the lobby? And endless salad bar with cheese and bacon bits!!
Maybe we need a chart of restaurant tastiness. We could argue that one for weeks.
"God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy"
I'm talking about price-wise, personally
Myself and MainLion would put Hoss’s up against a lot of more expensive restaurants on an awesomeness scale. Hoss’s was the place with the lit-up menu board where you paid before you were seated.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
Thanks, my memory still works
Yes, I LOVED that place! Esp when Mom & Dad were paying!
"God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy"
Judge me if you will
But I love Hoss’s. Very cheap salad bar that has literally 1000 options and includes soups, breadsticks and desert. I mean, obviously you don’t take a client or date there, but if you’re looking for a ton of delicious food that’s somewhere in the range between fast food and a regular restaurant, you can’t beat it. If you really want a legit entree, don’t be an idiot and get steak or something…orange roughy or sirloin tips aren’t terrible, and the tips can be absolutely smothered in A1.
I am from some far-flung province with few real dining options, so we’d go to Hoss’s all the time after away sporting events or shopping or whatever. Have probably only gone once or twice since college, and I miss it. And I’ve been to a shitload of Yelp-friendly restaurants in NY and Philly in the intervening years.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
by OctaShields on Dec 29, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
a ton of delicious food
Are you a vulture or a catfish?
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I can separate the concepts of "tasty" and "high-quality"
and thus, when I pile a bunch of bacon bits, pepperoncini, black olives, alfalfa sprouts, etc. on my plate with some chicken noodle soup and really, really greasy garlic bread, I am confident to say that I’m happy as a pig in shit.
Like I said above, I’ve eaten haughty shit plenty of times. And I’m not some asshole who hates luxurious shit, I actually love a nice lobster tail or $26 ravoili dish at some swanky place. But I also like low-quality food that tastes good in my mouth.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
by OctaShields on Dec 29, 2011 1:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You keep writing "shit"
Something tells me that this is surprisingly prescient, considering the fact that we are discussing Hoss’s food.
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
Right, it's really all about expectations.
Is McDonald’s objectively shit? Of course it is, but sometimes a double cheeseburger and coke hit the spot.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
by jesse. on Dec 29, 2011 1:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I would rather eat at Hoss'
and spend $15 on a wide variety of food that may or may not be great than $30 on a single dish, single course meal that is at a swanky place. Some people say I’m uncooth or a bumpkin. To those people I say, “why yes, yes I am”
I, for one, plan to continue my life long contempt for the powers that be and I fully expect to be disappointed with whatever choice is made. ~PSUgirl
You're not a bumpkin.
You’re just an American.
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
I always tell people...
At the end of the day I’m a kick from central Pennsylvania. I may be one of the better educated hicks you’ve ever met, but I’m still a hick.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
by jesse. on Dec 29, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
for:
But I also like low-quality food that tastes good in my mouth.
jtothetweet
Make sure this dead horse doesn't move while I go get my beatin' stick.
Dude, did you get my email?
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
I'm really trying to convey my feelings on this
I mean, I’m not going to pretend I don’t enjoy going to Hoss’s and eating until I can barely move. I do enjoy it. To pretend I only like a medium rare NY strip at Del Frisco’s or the Veal Saltimbocca at La Locanda in Voorhees or the lobster pyramid ravioli at Mercato in Center City or anything ever in New Orleans…well that would be a lie. I also genuinely enjoy a heaping plate of salad bar, soup, garlic bread, sirloin tips and a huge glob of chocolate pudding covered in whipped cream on a scalding hot plate (the plates are always searing) from Hoss’s.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
I think you've done it
Conveyed your feelings that is.
Happiness. It takes all sorts of shapes.
jtothetweet
Make sure this dead horse doesn't move while I go get my beatin' stick.
Please.
He’s utterly insane.
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
I think Hoss's discussion is way more interesting than the LSU/Alabama rehash.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
by jesse. on Dec 29, 2011 1:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed.
Especially since it’s one Alabama guy not really arguing that Bama deserved it, just that the SEC is entitled to both spots in the title game because, by god, the SEC is that tough.
"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13
by kijana's acl on Dec 29, 2011 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
Of course it is.
Unless that debate ends with J Tadpole typing cuss words in an Alabama accent.
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
Combining both
When I drove home from the Alabama game earlier this year we stopped at Hoss’s where 99 meets the turnpike. I’d already stopped to throw up twice, and therefore didn’t make it in.
I slept in the car while my fellow companions ate their fill at Hoss’s. I don’t know if it was a good decision or not.
Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?
by psuphysicist on Dec 29, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Dude.
Finnegan’s Wake reference in the sig. How did I not notice this until now? Very nice.
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks
I changed it a little while ago. Its supposed to be a double reference. First, how everyone thinks our program is dead, and second about JoePaterno’s reputation. But at some point while we’re mourning the loss we’ll get a surprise revival of both the program and JoePa’s reputation.
Of course, I was drunk when I went through that line of reasoning, but its a great song and so it stays.
Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?
by psuphysicist on Dec 29, 2011 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
I'm changing mine to
the last chapter of Ulysses.
Stream of consciousness, baby.
"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
I freaking hate that crap, dude.
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
But think of how wonderfully indecipherable it would be above my name.
Hell, you would never get to my name.
"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
Try it once.
Just once. I would actually like to see it once.
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
I was an English Lit Major
and I’m still waiting for the day when I’m ready to appreciate Joyce.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
Here's how you appreciate Joyce:
You read Ulysses for about fifteen seconds. Then you shake your head and put it down. You look at the title of the book and a thought hits your head: “Screw this.” Then you read Grant Takes Command instead.
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 3:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Should have said "Joyce's novels"
since I really like his shorter work. I just can’t summon the focus to get into one of his behemoths…started a few times and crapped out.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
I read Ulysses once.
Some of it is enjoyable — Episode 15 for example is absurdly entertaining and seems to foreshadow something postmodern. The last episode (referenced above) is just tedious. Somehow, I think that this is what Joyce wanted us to feel.
Also: This thing is largely considered to be the greatest work of 20th Century English Lit..
"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
This thing is largely considered to be the greatest work of 20th Century English Lit..
Well, by hell and high water, if a majority of Americans thought the Paterno firing was justified, then maybe a majority of English Lit. critics are a bunch of pretentious fops who think Lady Antebellum is outlaw country.
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
What were your thoughts..
on Crazy Heart, the movie with Jeff Bridges, if you saw it?
11/9/11 - the day the music died.
The bitter with the better.
by Esteban d' Amur on Dec 29, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
Didn't see it.
I heard it was originally going to be about Merle Haggard. I’m kinda glad that didn’t happen.
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
It was enjoyable...
had more “traditional” country music than pop country.
11/9/11 - the day the music died.
The bitter with the better.
by Esteban d' Amur on Dec 30, 2011 7:31 AM EST up reply actions
Agree with that
especially with a fan of either of the teams involved.
I've just started Z'ing thru the post-season debate
to get to the food/Hoss’s stuff.
With all due respect to the folks up in the Bama/LSU & “playoffs?!?” sections of the thread, of course. I still don’t love college football again just yet.
The depth of both my sadness and anger is unfathomable.
We (Still) Are...
by PSU_Buch on Dec 29, 2011 2:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Haha
I was just thinking how genuinely annoyed I am that I have to hit Z so many times to get back to this part of the thread.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
I've been doing the same thing
Food is way more interesting…
Tho’ much is taken, much abides; and though we are not now that strength which in old days moved earth and heaven; that which we are, We Are - Tennyson
Today
Thoughts of Hoss’ bring pleasant feelings & memories.
Thoughts of Alabama far less so.
jtothetweet
Make sure this dead horse doesn't move while I go get my beatin' stick.
So you give an example of "delicious food"
with the caveat that it can be totally smothered in A1?
Nothing says I care about my meat like “smothering” it in high-fructose corn syrup.
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
You're also misunderstanding
When I take a mediocre sirloin tip and put a bunch of sauce on it, it tastes good. It is a good-tasting thing.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
I usually rock the cleaver cut sirloin
with steak frys. It’s like 16 dollars. WTF do you want? I mean, steak only gets so good. I’ve had $90 dry aged NY Strips, they taste like steak.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
jesse
If you had had the luxury of eating the steaks I get at home, you would never say things like this. My old man once made a porterhouse so good that no restaurant steak (And certainly not Hoss’s, for heavens to betsy!) could ever compare. I don’t even remember what it tasted like when I got to the filet mignon but I remember feeling like I was high. It was literally better than sex.
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
See you're making a vital mistake here
in life happiness terms, you have to have preferences instead of strict rules. 100 times out of 100 I’d take your steaks. But when that option isn’t available, and I go to Hoss’s and eat their less delicious steaks, I do myself no good to constantly talk about how much better the other steaks are. What I do is realize that hey, these steaks are pleasing to eat as well, and I eat them.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
I’m doing what my taste buds will allow me to do. That’s why I call Hoss’s garbage because my taste buds (And my brain, if I ever saw the quality of the stuff going into their food; I’m sure they’re using GREAT stuff, yeah) tell me it’s complete garbage.
My taste buds will not allow me to eat mediocre steak (Especially since it’s expensive!) just like my ears won’t allow me to listen to some Nashville pop-country band changing Waylon’s line “We need to change” to “We made the change” when they’re covering Are You Sure Hank Done It This Way without cringing and raging. Screw bad steaks and screw people who change lyrics like that.
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
Yes.
They changed from being pansies who dress like Porter Waggoner to pansies who do Levi commercials.
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
It doesn't taste BAD
If you’re going to let really good things ruin kinda decent things for you your whole life, you’re going to keep making smaller and smaller boxes for yourself, and allowing plenty of leeway for disappointment and unhappiness to creep in at every juncture.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
Ok, now you're making a mistake.
My taste buds say it tastes like garbage. Your taste buds say it tastes “kinda decent.” It’s completely subjective. Only I’m more right than you are, because you use A-1 steak sauce, you freaking infidel.
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
So I'm a philistine in this regard
but they wouldn’t make A1 if it didn’t taste good.
I think my stance on this topic is both barbaric and enlightened. But isn’t that what being a human is about?
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
It doesn't taste good!
If you were enlightened, you wouldn’t eat A1.
Man, I can’t believe people give me crap for eating scrapple. It tastes like pork heads mixed with cornmeal. What’s not to love?
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
I would hope you're being tongue-in-cheek
in claiming some kind of objectively accepted truth w/r/t the concept of taste, given that the word “taste” is sometimes substituted for “subjective opinion.”
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
You don't know me well enough, dude.
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
Scrapple is great
But I’d choose breakfast sausage over it any day of the week. I’d also take Ruth Chris’s over Hoss’s, but I’d eat and enjoy both
Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?
by psuphysicist on Dec 29, 2011 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
Scrapple is like breakfast sausage, but even less healthy.
What’s not to love?
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
It doesn't taste as good as sausage
Because there isn’t nearly as much grease. It does come in a block, which it gets points for, but overall it isn’t quite as juicy and delicious as sausage. It is delicious
Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?
by psuphysicist on Dec 29, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
More succinctly stated
I’d also take Ruth Chris’s over Hoss’s, but I’d eat and enjoy both
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
Like say I banged Mila Kunis
(listen, before you comment on this, remember the topic of the thread I’m posting this in) and then I went back to my regular life and needed some sort of slumpbuster that was like a 3 or 4.
I could say things like “I’d never settle for less than a 6” or compare every girl to Mila prospectively or even after the fact. But whether or not I’d choose not to do it when sober or regret it later, it would still probably be pleasurable and feel pretty good at the time. This is the best analogy I can think of.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
I find it impossible to believe that Mila Kunis
ever had sex with someone who ever set foot in a Hoss’s.
"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13
by kijana's acl on Dec 29, 2011 1:56 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
That too.
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
You act like this is all mental for me.
It’s not. I don’t go around saying, “This steak will suck in comparison.” I sit down, I eat the steak, and my taste buds say, “This steak totally sucks in comparison and we thought we should remind you brain synapses or whatever of this fact.”
My taste buds – not my brain – won’t allow me to eat Hoss’s food with anything other than sad regret.
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
Mental
encompasses both the conscious and subconscious.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
Oh, I've had enough of this crap.
I don’t have to be careful with my words when I’m arguing with some guy who thinks Hoss’s serves “decent” food. You’re ridiculous and you’ll never have sex with Mila Kunis.
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
She's probably a vegetarian anyway
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
Maybe.
But she definitely doesn’t eat at Hoss’s.
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
Well of course she wouldn't take me there
the way I imagine it, she picks me up in some sort of black towncar and we go to some restaurant with “Chez” in the title.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
In my dream, we eat at a “country kitchen” in Carlisle while singing Mama’s Hungry Eyes to remind ourselves of how lucky we are.
My dream is clearly better.
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
In my imagination
I take her to Hoss’s. She’s smitten by the fact that I’m treating her like a real person and not a celebrity for a day. We eat at Hoss’s, shack up in the back of my station wagon, then again at home, then I cook her scrapple in the morning.
Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?
by psuphysicist on Dec 29, 2011 2:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Slumpbuster.
May be better than “River Rat”
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
This is just not true
The difference between a Ponderosa steak (I’ve never been to Hoss) and a steak at Ruth Chris is comparable to the difference between Todd Graham and JoePa.
"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13
by kijana's acl on Dec 29, 2011 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
That's not what I said at all.
I can go to the Butcher Shop, buy a steak, and prepare it at home and generate a pretty good product. I’ve had super expensive steaks in the past, but I’ve never had one where I paid a $100 for it, and went wow, that was worth $100. Maybe I’m a philistine, or cheap, but I’ve never been able to justify that level of expense for a steak.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
I agree that there is a point of diminishing returns
Probably around $40-50. But the idea that Ponderosa or Hoss sells steak is just wrong. It’s a half step above horse meat.
"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13
by kijana's acl on Dec 29, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Half step?
It’s called Hoss’s!
"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
That's the worst part! They're not Hosses at all!
HOSS:
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
My old man uses average priced porterhouses, whatever that is. 24 bucks?
Either way, it was still better than sex.
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
you're doing it wrong.
11/9/11 - the day the music died.
The bitter with the better.
by Esteban d' Amur on Dec 29, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
No, you've just never had great steak.
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
No...
you’ve never had great sex.
11/9/11 - the day the music died.
The bitter with the better.
by Esteban d' Amur on Dec 29, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
That's actually true, but I still maintain that it was better than sex.
I think sex is overrated in that way. Kinda like the Beatles and the Volkswagen Beetle.
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
He's never had great sex
while eating a great steak?
I, for one, plan to continue my life long contempt for the powers that be and I fully expect to be disappointed with whatever choice is made. ~PSUgirl
That sounds like a choking hazard.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
It sounds worthwhile to me, man.
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
Good way to go?
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
My story is inappropriate
But involves chicken wings and the 2008 Michigan State game.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
How inappropriate is it?
Also, do you have an email address through which you could share this story?
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
Very
And your imagination should get you where you need to go.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
You stuck a chicken wing up Mark Dantonio's butt.
There, not inappropriate at all. Completely justifiable.
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
My imagination can probably go even farther.
I like a good hot chicken wing, so I am imagining reproductive organ damage.
more male than the post office
by WorldBFat on Dec 29, 2011 1:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
She (whoever "she" is, bless her heart,) is doing it wrong
I’m an aspiring Joe Paterno Apologist®
You don’t actually believe I have a or have had a girlfriend of sorts, do you?
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
I believe that at some time, you had some sort of relations with a female person.
I’m an aspiring Joe Paterno Apologist®
It depends what the definition of "is" is.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
by MainLion on Dec 29, 2011 3:46 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
You need to find some better sex.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
With all this talk of Hoss salad bar, it has dawned on me that I haven't eaten from a salad bar since August, 2010.
I guess that’s a shame.
more male than the post office
by WorldBFat on Dec 29, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Quaker Steak and Lube in Wheeling, WV
yesterday.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
I thought they served nothing but industrial waste in Wheeling.
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
Me too, but we were coming back from my uncle's house in (gulp)
Ohio, and there’s this big ass Cabela’s that we wanted to stop at and we decided to eat at Quaker Steak. It was awesome.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
My enlightend taste buds...
only allow me to eat Chicken Wings from the Original Anchor Bar in Buffalo, New York. (Which BTW, I’ve actually done, and they are pretty effing fantastic).
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
My taste buds allow me to eat all kinds of mediocre chicken wings, but they frequently say, “What’s the point? Why don’t you just put hot sauce on some bologna?”
I think they have a point.
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
jesse. says 5 minutes after
a discussion in which he references chicken wing and some sort of deviant sexual activity.
I do have to check that out sometime. If I ever find myself in Buffalo (literally: I would hope that I never end up there of my own volition) I am definitely going to give them a go.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
It was an act of consentual loving kindness.
There were just wings in the room. And 50 inch television, with a football game on.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
by jesse. on Dec 29, 2011 2:07 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Sounds like the beginning
of a scene from a terrible porno.
I, for one, plan to continue my life long contempt for the powers that be and I fully expect to be disappointed with whatever choice is made. ~PSUgirl
by jman07 on Dec 29, 2011 2:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hey, it can be consensual and also deviant
If the only role played by wings was that they were in the same room, your story becomes much less impressive.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
Nope.
It was pretty cool.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
Well, that ruins it.
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
For the record
Hot sauce makes terrible lubricant
Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?
by psuphysicist on Dec 29, 2011 2:23 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Make sure your partner thoroughly washes his/her hands
after handling hot peppers. That is all.
"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84
by dbl5030 on Dec 29, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
you live and learn.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
Free advice.
Watch what you touch after you cut up chili peppers.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
by jesse. on Dec 29, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'd extend that to don't cut up chili peppers in the nude.
You’d be surprised how your hands wander absent-mindedly.
more male than the post office
Its surprising really
There are very few times in life where being naked doesn’t automatically make the activity better. Cutting up chili peppers is one; frying bacon, the other.
Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?
by psuphysicist on Dec 29, 2011 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
grandmother's funeral
more male than the post office
by WorldBFat on Dec 29, 2011 2:30 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Watching BoT press conference announcing firing of Joe Paterno
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know... you could have helicoptered in rage.
more male than the post office
by WorldBFat on Dec 29, 2011 2:32 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
this made me LOL
because, really, what better way to show your rage. It’s like the opposite of a dog wagging a tail.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
Huh, I never thought of that.
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
I got the image of that...
thing in WorldB’s pic. helicoperting and now I need to wash my brain with bleech.
11/9/11 - the day the music died.
The bitter with the better.
by Esteban d' Amur on Dec 29, 2011 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
I had to hit up urban dictionary
jtothetweet
Make sure this dead horse doesn't move while I go get my beatin' stick.
Gald its a ghost town in the office today
this comment made coming in to work worth it.
I’m sorry, but blanket statements are proven false 99% of the time, and if you make a blanket statement about college football, there’s a good chance that one exception will be Joe Paterno. - AdamShell @ BSD
Also; Always carry a bottle opener and the beer will provide itself.
The Anchor Bar wings are tremendous.
Ever had the Pazzo wings at The Darkhorse? I love them.
The depth of both my sadness and anger is unfathomable.
We (Still) Are...
I think so
But most of my memories involving the Darkhorse get real fuzzy after about 30 minutes in there. I can’t actually ever recall leaving the establishment
Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?
by psuphysicist on Dec 29, 2011 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe you never have
/inception’d
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
Aren't we all actually working in a rocket factory or something?
The depth of both my sadness and anger is unfathomable.
We (Still) Are...
Rocket CAR Factory
"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13
by kijana's acl on Dec 29, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
I know
I messed it up on purpose, to be funny or cool or something.
The depth of both my sadness and anger is unfathomable.
We (Still) Are...
I just want everybody to wake up ready to get to work
and not all confused about what it is that we do for a living.
"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13
by kijana's acl on Dec 29, 2011 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
Since we're all sharing the same dream
will we be addressing each other by our fictitious BSD SNs?
As an aside, the top three BSD commenters whose real-life appearance would/will(?) inevitably disappoint me:
1) jesse. not looking like Donald Sutherland from Animal House.
2) Rambler doesn’t look like Grant riding a unicorn.
3) WorldBFat doesn’t look like that Planet of the Apes thing.
The depth of both my sadness and anger is unfathomable.
We (Still) Are...
4) jtothep doesn’t wear a wrestling singlet
5) SubLime doesn’t dress like Waylon Jennings
6) Chris Grovich doesn’t look like Chris Farley
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
Have: Black pearl-snap shirt, black leather hat, boot-cut jeans.
Don’t have: Ostrich skin boots, leather vest.
"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
by SubLime on Dec 29, 2011 3:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Do you have a Tele?
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
No, but my son does.
I can’t play a lick.
"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
I hope to emulate you, sir.
I now feel the need to call you sir.
Is your son, per chance, named Clyde?
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
That would have been a tough sell.
"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
Hmm.
I need to do this for Halloween. The boots are the most expensive part.
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
I could grow my hair out and dye it white for you.
more male than the post office
by WorldBFat on Dec 29, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I tried to switch avatars once.
People complained.
I once toyed with the idea of doing a custom BSD T with nothing but a period on the front, and a picture of Professor Jennings on the back.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
I don't wear curlers in my hair
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
The thumbnail
looks like Mr. T.
The depth of both my sadness and anger is unfathomable.
We (Still) Are...
Dock Ellis
legendary LSD-using, no-hitter throwing, curler-wearing, batter-beaning Pirates hurler. He was unrealistically awesome.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
If I wake up and football was just a figment of my dream
But we all work at a rocket car factory AND Darkhorse pazzo chicken wings are sold all over the place…
…it might be just enough for me to get over that football isn’t real.
I'm still in the Darkhorse?
WHERES ALL THE BEER? WHY AM I ‘WORKING’?
This place has gone downhill.
Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?
by psuphysicist on Dec 29, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
Well
it’s pretty clear that you died at The Darkhorse and you’re currently in purgatory. Keep plugging away, you’ll get back there one day.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
Almost always got an order
when there for trivia night. It was great too, cuz if we won then they were free.
"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84
do you only drive the model T also?
Reporter: Can you give us a touchdown celebration, one that you would get penalized for?
Moye: I play at Penn State. I don’t celebrate.
But Model Ts are awesome.
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
The only wings better than those from Anchor Bar
came from a place called Stack’s that was once in downtown North East PA (located logically in Erie County). I’m pretty sure the joint is long gone.
"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
Not so sure about that ...
Havne’t hit the Anchor legit in Buffalo, but there’s a spot in Herndon called Jimmy’s that uses their sauce .. not quite the same, but I was not impressed.
I grew up on Johny Ks, long since closed, but the Windsor Inn in Archbald PA is up there, beaten only by ..
Frankies Wings n Things in Melbourne FL. I put them up against any wing you got. Have not had better anywhere.
It is a beyotch finding good wings around DC. Too many hipsters/upscale joints.
"Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good."
Joe Paterno
Stack's deep fried the wings,
sauced them, then finished them with a quick hit on the charcoal grill to sightly sear the sauce and get a bit of open fire flavor.
"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
Grilled Wings...
40 minutes using a low, indirect, charcoal fire, with just a hint of smoke. Sauce them, then hit them over a hot fire to sear them up. The indirect heat is the key, otherwise you might as well just put kerosene on the fire.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
Best wings I've ever had
were from a place called Vic and Angelo’s on Atlantic Ave in Del Ray Beach, FL. They are ‘upscale’ wings made with garlic and other italian seasonings.
Some of the best traditional wings I’ve had are from Ernie’s. I can’t believe this conversation has been going on without someone bringing them up. Plus, where else can you order wings by the pitcher?
Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?
by psuphysicist on Dec 29, 2011 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
Ernie's
Aren’t they just Champs Wings? Which I like, but are not my favorite. I will always have a fondness for Penn State Sub Shop Wings, they were my first love. But the answer to the question is me. I make the best wings, either grilled or fried, mine are the best.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
They are the same wings as Champs
But made in the Ernie’s deep fryer. Maybe it was the wings. Maybe it was the beer. Maybe it was playing pool while I waited for the wings, but I’ve always had a fondness for Ernie’s wings.
Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?
by psuphysicist on Dec 29, 2011 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
When I used to drink at the Phyrst...
You were lucky to get a bag of microwave pop-corn, and you could bring in Pizza Outlet from across the street.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
Ernie's makes a good cheesesteak
fresh-cut fries too. The cheesesteak is probably the best in State College now that Troy’s (Bellefonte and, briefly, State College locations) is closed.
Anyone remember Troy’s? The main location was out on the Benner Pike, but they also had a satellite for awhile in the place across from Houtz where College Ave goes back to two directions.
The depth of both my sadness and anger is unfathomable.
We (Still) Are...
Does Troys = Bonfattos?
And does CC Peppers still exist, because they made the best cheese-steaks in State College.
OW Houtz was the greatest store in the history of the world, and it is sorely missed.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
Bonfattos is different
They’re still around. I think there is still a CC Peppers somewhere in town, but I’m not sure where.
The depth of both my sadness and anger is unfathomable.
We (Still) Are...
Probably by the High School
They do a pretty mean business of kids ditching class.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
Its tough to get food after about 10
But I always used to go down at about 5 or 6 during the week. Usually, we were the only ones in there. You ordered the wings from upstairs and then they’d bring it down to you.
Of course, had I not worked there I probably never would have known. Not many people found their way down to that bar before 9:30 or 10, except for fridays. The bar was always packed from 6:30 on because of happy hour
Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?
by psuphysicist on Dec 29, 2011 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
the best hustle
is the ordering of Spats food down at the skellar. Love me some Spats (though I might be less enamored after having actually gone to New Orleans a few times)
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
by OctaShields on Dec 29, 2011 4:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
My buddies and I liked to go there for lunch. Beer and Spats food can’t be beat.
Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?
by psuphysicist on Dec 29, 2011 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed.
I studied at the ’skellar three days a week. I even went to study for Law School Finals my first year. It literally saved my college career.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
I studied almost exclusively at hipster coffee bars
I WISH I had a place like ’skellar available to me.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
It was my motivation to go to class.
“Look, if you get to your early class, you can hit the ’Skellar and study for a few hours, and go to your afternoon class a bit buzzed”.
God help me, it worked.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
Back in the day
the only food you could get downstairs at the Phyrst was a hot dog with kraut, or peanuts. And that assumes I went to the Weis down the street that day to buy buns and dogs.
As noted above there is still a CC Peppers out on N. Atherton. But before it was CC Peppers the original name was the Cattle Car (hence the “CC” after their great peppers) and the first and best was next to the Train Station in the Herlocher “complex”.
*
Of course Stacks is gone.
He was supposed to get rid of the getaway truck. Instead, he got high and slept in.
And no, you can’t have your coffee to go.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
Quaker Steak is good
So long as you don’t go for all you can eat wing night (if they even still have that). We used to go in high school, and in their rush to get massive amounts of wings out, they usually were undercooked.
Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?
by psuphysicist on Dec 29, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
Anyone ever go to the all you can eat wings at that bowling alley near the beer distributor
Uh, I don’t know the name of the street but it’s about a block south of the Best Buy and Walmart shopping center on North Atherton, and one block west.
Anyway, they were pretty mediocre, but I watched my friends attempt a wing eating contest that ended with a “gentleman’s agreement” and handshake when they both reached fifty, both agreed they could continue, but didn’t think it would end well. I think that was the same night PSU was in the Women’s NCAA Tournament and got knocked off by someone…UNC probably.
The place with the Country Western Bar?
Northland Bowl I believe? Many times.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
BOTH KINDS OF MUSIC!
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
It was funny
Because mostly it was full of people that only liked 1980’s Hair Metal, Metalica and Slayer. They hardly ever had Country Western Music on.
True story, I was sitting at the bar there once, and I ordered the Wings. They asked how I wanted them, and my response was, “tell the cook he’s a pussy”. They were pretty hot.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
by jesse. on Dec 29, 2011 2:27 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I believe that's it
It had a sign like a crown or a cowboy hat or something outside. I always felt like I was parking next to a fire station when I went there, I think because it was so close to the beer distributor that had big loading dock doors.
I've never had their wings
I did used to go on Wednesdays for their two hour all you can bowl deal. After three pitchers of Magic Hat, I did, in fact, faceplant in the middle of the lane when I didn’t let go of the ball.
Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?
by psuphysicist on Dec 29, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
I once woke up wearing a pair of their bowling shoes
I was too embarrassed to go back and get my own shoes, so I kept them for about 10 years until my wife found them in the back of my closet and asked me about them.
by speedotito on Dec 29, 2011 3:34 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
That's a great story
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
I rec'd it
Even tho I was bummed he seems to have cut it short.
jtothetweet
Make sure this dead horse doesn't move while I go get my beatin' stick.
The Last Cowboy
I believe was the bar’s name for awhile although I think it has since changed. My roommate and I used to go there quite a bit to drink with the townies.
It is now called The Arena
and it is a sports bar. I’m not sure if they still do the wing night.
The depth of both my sadness and anger is unfathomable.
We (Still) Are...
Haha, good question
I’m not sure, but I think so.
The depth of both my sadness and anger is unfathomable.
We (Still) Are...
You'd think it would have to.
You can’t escape that kind of decoration. Like the Porn Store on McKnight Road with the huge neon video tape, or Kellys Stakehouse with Bull on the roof.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
Ahh, Kelly's
I was sad when that little Italian import market place and sandwich shop next to it closed down.
Also, re:wings and restaurants, a few of my peoples used to run down to Duffy’s Tavern weekly over the summer for some wings and beers. Good memories.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
Duffy's had dollar beers and the NFL on Sundays.
When it switched to NASCAR, I just started rooting for Jeff Gordon to piss off the locals.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
I'm always interested
In the strip of 45 where Kelly’s is…there are maybe 4-5 other businesses on that little stretch there. And it seems like they cycle in and out, and no one business stays there for more than like 5 years. I haven’t been down there for a few years, do you know if that pump station theme’d coffee place is still around?
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
It was a few weeks ago.
The pizza shop is pretty good, but they close too early. I think the BBQ joint went out of buisness, but the 6 pack shop is still there.
My Wife and I went to Kelly’s when I started getting stabby during the Wisconsin game. We just sat at the bar, but it seemed pretty popular.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
Wait, where were you before you started getting stabby?
And you decided to change locus to a bar? What’s the thinking there?
jtothetweet
Make sure this dead horse doesn't move while I go get my beatin' stick.
Can't answer for jesse.
But I’d have to assume it has something to do with the fact that they sell copious amounts of alcohol.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
I was at JoeFromBoalsburg's
The theory was get out of the house, so I didn’t have to focus on the game. Between that, and the family for Thanksgiving, I needed some jesse. time.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
Also, the not bar side at Duffy's....
has really good food.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
My personal best was 82 after getting the phone call to go to Quaker Steak while eating an actual steak.
How am I alive?
more male than the post office
by WorldBFat on Dec 29, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Romeo Crennel was watching over you that night.
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 2:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And every night
for that matter.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
That is such great irony
Because during the Northland Bowl incident I mentioned above, I was at Pollack eating dinner when my friends called me. That’s the only reason I didn’t participate in their wing eating contest, although obviously, I did eat a bunch of wings.
I agree.
Hoss’s is not a bad place to go for a relatively inexpensive meal.
I went to a lot of Hoss’s growing up being that it was one of the few restaurants in my home area. Therefore, the place does hold some special meaning to me.
High five
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
This thread
is either one of the year’s best or worst. I can’t make up my mind. Either way, I am enjoying it (just like I do the Hoss’s soup and salad bar).
The depth of both my sadness and anger is unfathomable.
We (Still) Are...
Hoss's?
I always thought that he was more like Little Joe(Pa).
"The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me God."
by DerryPharmer on Dec 29, 2011 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
Also, can we please have a rumor about James Franklin?
Some guy at Penn State Hershey just discovered a virus that eats cancer. Where were the CNN trucks for that? Now Someone at PSU found something that could cure Leukemia. Coverage? None. THON will probably break $10 mil this year. Put that on "Outside the Lines" you sanctimonious pricks!
by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Dec 29, 2011 11:38 AM EST via mobile reply actions
James Franklin was seen this week
scrubbing down the Corner Room’s toilets to bring them up to Nick Saban’s standards.
"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
But no one on the outside would notice
I mean does Vanderbilt even have fans or beat writers to get all worked up?
I am a Penn State Nittany Lion, and I played for the legendary Joe Paterno, and more importantly, I am a man because of it. - Lavar Arrington
IT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW!
I, ReadingRambler, hacked into Saban’s computer and found that he’s using the following picture as his desktop background:
I also fisked his emails and found that he had inquired as to the possibility of trading us Bolden for McCarron before this year’s game to “even things out a bit.”
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 11:42 AM EST reply actions 8 recs
The fact more have not rec'd this angers and confuses me.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
Think about the genius of hiring Nick Saban.
Meyer couldn’t steal any of our recruits BECAUSE WE WOULD SIGN EVERYONE IN AMERICA!
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 11:48 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Is Saban Italian like Joe?
I don’t know. But I do know he’s a sexy man.
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 11:48 AM EST reply actions
Is there a Croat Club in SC?
"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
Urban Meyer at OSU, Saban at PSU
What’s next, Les Miles at Michigan?
OMG THE SEC IS TRYING TO TAKE OVER THE BIG TEN
"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84
Who I want: Vince Lombardi
Who I expect: Knute Rockne
Who will be hired: Jesus
I, for one, plan to continue my life long contempt for the powers that be and I fully expect to be disappointed with whatever choice is made. ~PSUgirl
by jman07 on Dec 29, 2011 11:57 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
All right!
In that case, since the Blue Band doesn’t play the fight song anyway, we can pipe in Personal Jesus after touchdowns.
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
As a Broncos fan
I can tell you Tebow is not all he’s cracked up to be.
"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84
by dbl5030 on Dec 29, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Damn you
"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13
by kijana's acl on Dec 29, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
To be fair, I think your joke was better than mine.
"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84
Jeebus isn't available until he retires from the Broncos.
"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13
by kijana's acl on Dec 29, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
This thread needs more
PPPAAAWWWLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
I, for one, plan to continue my life long contempt for the powers that be and I fully expect to be disappointed with whatever choice is made. ~PSUgirl
Interesting way to implement Rodney Erickson's vision for Penn State's future.
The contract is for 6 years, $48million. The school is paying $5m/yr, and the rest is coming from the Nike contract. He’ll be making 60% more than anyone in college football.
by CvilleLion on Dec 29, 2011 12:29 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Penn State's new athletic director?
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
Henry Clay Frick is more likely . . .
PA roots and all.
"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
Funny story
been working on some land title projects out in western PA. I fucking hate H.C. Frick.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
by OctaShields on Dec 29, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
I can't blame you, but you're just jealous of his toughness:
Frick, realizing what was happening, attempted to rise from his chair while Berkman pulled a revolver and fired at nearly point-blank range. The bullet hit Frick in the left earlobe, penetrated his neck near the base of the skull, and lodged in his back. The impact hurled Frick off his feet, and Berkman fired again, again striking Frick in the neck and causing him to bleed profusely. Carnegie Steel vice president (later, president) John George Alexander Leishman, who was with Frick, was then able to grab Berkman’s arm and deflect a third shot, saving Frick’s life.
Frick was seriously wounded, but rose and (with the assistance of Leishman) tackled his assailant.9 All three men crashed to the floor, where Berkman managed to stab Frick four times in the leg with the pointed steel file before finally being subdued by other employees, who had rushed into the office. As the police entered the room, guns drawn, Frick reportedly yelled, “Don’t shoot! Leave him to the law, but raise his head and let me see his face.”
Frick was back at work in a week…
via Jonesapedia
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
The anarchist vs. the capitalist . . .
Perhaps a preview of where Occupy is headed?
"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
I miss the days when anarchists tried to kill people instead of sitting around in parks, pooping and not calling the cops when women get sexually assaulted.
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
How is Joe to blame for that?
"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13
by kijana's acl on Dec 29, 2011 1:06 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
amazing
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
Well, don't quote me on this
or appropriate this comment into a PennLive article, but Joe was known to have associations with Sacco and Vanzetti.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
When I think anarchist, I think Joe Paterno.
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
The real reason he chose coaching over Law School
is that he doesn’t believe in the rule of law.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
There are many signs that he was truly evil.
Homestead is just the surface.
"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
Even Carnegie was, like, "Wow, this guy's a douche!"
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
I once heard that exact statement at the Carnegie Deli.
"The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me God."
by DerryPharmer on Dec 29, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Frick was rich and terrible like Hearst in Deadwood
I mean he was a real prick. Sure, a tough son of a bitch, but absolutely set humanity back by his mere existence.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
WE'RE TOTALLY OFF BASE, YOU GUYS!
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 12:47 PM EST reply actions
But the ambiguity means it could be anything.
Maybe he has AIDS. That would interest me.
more male than the post office
The magic of twitter
A guy can create an account an hour ago, use a name that implies he is an “insider”, make up a story and strongly hint at it in a tweet to few journalists, and this will probably be on the front page of espn, sportsillustrated, etc in a couple hours.
Nike house
What hasn’t been reported is that Saban is going to live in a custom built house made by Nike. It’s a giant swoosh that will have a commanding view over all of downtown state college. Trust me, I’ve seen the architecture plans, it’s gorgeous.
by jns120 on Dec 29, 2011 12:55 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Raise your hand if you don't find this completely plausible.
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
What's sad is that it is also not COMPLETELY implausible.
The depth of both my sadness and anger is unfathomable.
We (Still) Are...
I have no doubt
that true or not, Nike has architecture plans for this sort of thing, on one of those fancy programs that they always use for stadium or large commercial/residential project designs.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
You are correct!
"The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me God."
by DerryPharmer on Dec 29, 2011 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
I wish he would live in the big shoe on Rt. 30
They could put a Nike swoosh on that!
this
thread is ridiculous and awesome at the same time.
by SMAN on Dec 29, 2011 1:42 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
The simple fact is even if Alabama wins the rematch nobody but they want to see
LSU is still more deserving of the trophy.
Can we just give the general public a single vote in the Coaches and Harris polls?
We collectively would’ve ranked Alabama so low, we could’ve avoided this whole situation.
"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84
Nick Saban as coach?
Well there’s a small rumor.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
Over 500 comments in this thread.
0 so far for the most recent basketball thread. Very telling.
I just don't want to die without a few scars. ~Chuck Palahniuk, Fight Club, Chapter 6
by LB31Monster on Dec 29, 2011 2:25 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Could have balanced it out
By leaving the Nick Saban thread for the Bama/LSU argument and using the basketball thread to ignore sports in general and talk about Hoss’/McDonalds/Magic “get me high” steak
by PSUCharmas on Dec 29, 2011 2:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
what is this basketball you talk of?
Reporter: Can you give us a touchdown celebration, one that you would get penalized for?
Moye: I play at Penn State. I don’t celebrate.
I believe its the name of an old wooden ship
Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?
by psuphysicist on Dec 29, 2011 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
That movie has a line that works everywhere
"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13
by kijana's acl on Dec 29, 2011 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
to be fair
there are also more comments about Hoss’ and Ruth’s Chris than PSU football.
by swiggy04 on Dec 29, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
WE have even used BB references today....
"The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me God."
by DerryPharmer on Dec 29, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
So I forget.
Did we hire Nick Saban or not?
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
No.
But we did replace Cael with Dan Gable.
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
As a basketball coach.
There. That should balance things out.
I just don't want to die without a few scars. ~Chuck Palahniuk, Fight Club, Chapter 6
Basket....
LA! LA! LA! LA! LA! I’M NOT LISTENING! LA! LA! LA! LA! LA!
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
Profile stalking reveals your shame, Mr. Pitt basketball fan.
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
OH NO HE DI'NT!
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
If I could name two players on that team I'd suprise myself.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
In that case, why not become a Penn State basketball fan?
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
Because I can name two players on their team
And they suck. I do follow them, it’s just painful to watch most of the time, so I don’t bother.
But mostly bitterness over bad treatment.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
I know; I just like rehashing stuff we've discussed before.
Want to talk about Hoss’s?
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
Let's talk about the propriety
of ordering seafood in central or western PA.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
by OctaShields on Dec 29, 2011 2:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Lemoyne Farmers Market or bust.
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
I'll settle for Wegmans if I have to
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
I'm at that Farmers Market all the time.
I don’t even know which vendor would be my favorite. It’s like a 12-way tie.
by Chris Grovich on Dec 29, 2011 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
That's easy
1a Gross’s
1b DJ’s Smoke Shack
Anyway, the flashlights eat our human power grids, our souls if you will. So i destroyed them, and if a few precious panties were burnt or soiled in the reckoning then so be it
What sucks is when my Dad's side of the family does the 7 fish thing on Christmas eve in Youngstown.
The 7 shittiest fish money can buy.
more male than the post office
Frozen beer battered cod?
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
were you agreeing with that sentence
as in like Frozen beer battered (as a past tense verb) cod? Is there a hotline for that sort of thing?
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
I think my aunt has beer battered previously frozen cod and served it on Christmas eve.
Thank God it wasn’t your way.
more male than the post office
Ha, just checking
speaking of cod, another guilty pleasure of mine is baccala (Italian) and/or bacalhau (Portuguese), which is salted cod and generally inexpensive and not very fancy.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
That's horrifiying.
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
You must soak the baccala.....
in fresh water or milk for 3 days prior….then it’s some good eatin’ paisano.
"The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me God."
by DerryPharmer on Dec 29, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
Baccala
was the signature cuisine of the region of Italy where my dad’s people came from. The fact that my dad and all his siblings haven’t touched it since they were children says a lot. But for whatever reason, I kinda like it.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
we have 7 fishes on Christmas Eve
with Italian friends. I cannot even sniff the baccala without my eyes watering, they make it so spicy with many, many hot peppers
I’m an aspiring Joe Paterno Apologist®
On my Mom's side of the Famiglia......
My favorite Aunt made all of the dishes that were considered ethnic back in my real young days….she didn’t miss a beat and I loved her cooking…all of the fish, shell or otherwise, pasta(handmade), salads, chicken cacciatore, polenta and authetic pizza"pie"(deepdish) and pasta fagioli has played havoc with my waste line for years. But there’s nothing like enjoying great food, no matter your ethnic background(s).
"The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me God."
by DerryPharmer on Dec 29, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
I think my whole perspective on life changed
After having spent a total of 8 months living in Italy. You can’t be miserable when you’re eating that well. And you really can’t be miserable with 100 people always around and yelling. I wish I could have that atmosphere and deliciousness here, while taking advantage of the American economy and willingness to get drunk and make fools of ourselves.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
My Grandfather
taught me how to cook carp
1. Season the carp and place it on a piece of board
2. Place in oven and cook
3. Remove from oven, dump fish in trash can, and eat the board
"Put it to the floor, hold on, and watch the mud fly!"
by biscoiv on Dec 29, 2011 9:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm from west/central PA
and partially because my dad has a shellfish allergy and partially because I live 200+ miles from the nearest seaport, I never had good seafood until I was 21.
I had never had oysters or mussels until like 2008. As far as other fish go, I’d probably never tasted non-frozen fish until like 2005 when I first went to Italy.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
I love this place.
I mean, love love it.
I’ve been to Fogo de Chao, Capital Grill, Morton’s, Ruth’s Chris, etc. And, at the end of the day, I’ll choose Hoss’s over all of them. Freshest salads, good steaks, and crane machines.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
by MainLion on Dec 29, 2011 3:00 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I can't believe I defended Hoss's in like 12 different comments
and never mentioned the claw games. I don’t care if you’re being facetious, I’d sign off on this comment. I’d rather eat a steak from the others, but I’d rather be at Hoss’s.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
I am 100% serious.
I live outside of Philly now. I routinely drove to Collegeville to the nearest Hoss’s. Then. They. Freaking. Closed. It.
I won’t drive to Reading on a whim. But I have taken a different route to NePA so I could stop at the Pottsville one.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
Closest one to me got flooded out this summer. Sad day.
Tailgate Shogun and I used to hit up the Hoss’ in State College all the time. I’m glad to see people defending the awesome salad bar and Hosspitality.
by Chris Grovich on Dec 29, 2011 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
I see what you did there
Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?
by psuphysicist on Dec 29, 2011 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
I knew I wasn't alone
also, I there are no less than 10 hats that are camo and say “Hoss’s is Hoss-pitality” or something similar in my parents basement closet.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
Hummelstown. Swatara Creek wiped it out.
by Chris Grovich on Dec 29, 2011 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
Ah.
I know a large creek (or crick, if you prefer NePA speak) runs by the Pottsville one. I assumed.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
There was one in Exton
But that just closed recently.
Collegeville is Exton.
I believe the receipts printed Collegeville. Or their website listed it. Or that’s the exit I took off 76.
Whatever the case, they’re the same one, and because it no longer exists, I am all the poorer for it.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
Locations
Looks like your best bet is Lititz or Reading.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
That first one sounds like an French word
for awesome things.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
It's near Lancaster
it’s le tits
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
by OctaShields on Dec 29, 2011 4:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And you call the 717 hick country!
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
Well Boy.....
I am holdin’ out till Hoss’s starts serving scrapple.
"The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me God."
by DerryPharmer on Dec 29, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
That's why I respect you, Derry.
"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings
by ReadingRambler on Dec 29, 2011 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
Et tu, RR.
"The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me God."
by DerryPharmer on Dec 29, 2011 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
Did you mention rehashing?
Lets go back to food.
How bout the ribs as Damon’s, quality stuff there!
I’m sorry, but blanket statements are proven false 99% of the time, and if you make a blanket statement about college football, there’s a good chance that one exception will be Joe Paterno. - AdamShell @ BSD
Also; Always carry a bottle opener and the beer will provide itself.
Damon's is to ribs
As Hoss’s is to steak. Meh.
Plus, Damon's is from Columbus, Ohio
So, yeah…no.
You’re takin’ the fun out of it…
I’m sorry, but blanket statements are proven false 99% of the time, and if you make a blanket statement about college football, there’s a good chance that one exception will be Joe Paterno. - AdamShell @ BSD
Also; Always carry a bottle opener and the beer will provide itself.
Prospector's
had some of the best ribs in State College, but now they have closed down (damn!). Clem’s is also top notch.
The depth of both my sadness and anger is unfathomable.
We (Still) Are...
Clem's.
That’ll be all.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
Clems has awesome
pulled pork!
I don’t remember the ribs.
I’m sorry, but blanket statements are proven false 99% of the time, and if you make a blanket statement about college football, there’s a good chance that one exception will be Joe Paterno. - AdamShell @ BSD
Also; Always carry a bottle opener and the beer will provide itself.
It's never a good sign for your business...
…when your claim to fame is “not crowded on a football weekend”.
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
I curse those who would enter Damons...
….to a MEAL AT DAMONS!!!! bwahahaahaaahaahahaha
...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...
Let's ask Paige about barbecue.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
I was hoping for more hate...
/gets back to troll school
I’m sorry, but blanket statements are proven false 99% of the time, and if you make a blanket statement about college football, there’s a good chance that one exception will be Joe Paterno. - AdamShell @ BSD
Also; Always carry a bottle opener and the beer will provide itself.
Jesse: I soooo want to argue with you.
But I’m really having trouble doing it.
I just don't want to die without a few scars. ~Chuck Palahniuk, Fight Club, Chapter 6
Guys and gals, relax
SI figured out why we are losing recuits
If this is a reason a player picks a school, then PSUEnrg has to go back and admit high school kids ARE, in fact, stupid. And so are their parents
by swiggy04 on Dec 29, 2011 3:53 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
+1 for bringing up the stupidity of defending the stupidity level of recruits
I, for one, plan to continue my life long contempt for the powers that be and I fully expect to be disappointed with whatever choice is made. ~PSUgirl
I have it on good authority that our man is a current CFB head coach and
a native of Roslyn, PA.
Leaders Co-Champions
Former Temple/Nova assistant.
Head man at Millersville. His teams are always loaded with academic success.
Leaders Co-Champions
by PSUinBOSSton on Dec 29, 2011 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
Coach Colby?
HELL NO. They would be better off hiring some random guy off the street. I go to Clarion. We are bad at football. just. bad. we lose most games by 30 points . or more. weve been known to allow 500+ rush yards in a game. how does this relate to Coach Colby of Millersville? I look at Clarions schedule and see Millersville and can see an auto win. Another fun fact: Lock Haven has won a game in 4 seasons. their seniors will graduate without a win. and they only lost to the Marauders by a point. one point. Millersville is bad. Guys on Clarions team were saying how poorly coached Millersville was. thats clarion guys saying that. we get more penalties a game than Miami did in the 80s/90s.
So yeah. NO THANK YOU. Ill take Turner Gill or some other obscenely bad D1 coach before Coach Colby. Yeah he is a good guy and his players get good grades. But we have a athletic department to think about
by Milne4heisman94 on Dec 29, 2011 6:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Not Colby, Trainer.
Leaders Co-Champions
by PSUinBOSSton on Dec 29, 2011 7:28 PM EST up reply actions
Thoughts on Hoss's?
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
LOL
The name Hoss’s was forgotten until this thread.
I skimmed with the z button pretty hard, but someone compared Hoss’s and Ruth Chris? WTF? I will say, Ruth Chris is my VA Tech of “Elite” steak chains. I rate Morton’s and Cap Grill much higher, with some individual gems around the country, much higher still (The Precinct, Maestro’s to name two)
Funny salad bars came up though. A coworker and I discovered Souplantation out here a month or two ago…best salad bar I’ve ever seen. Cold plates is the key. shockingly cold plates.
"my dad says Michigan used to be good"
I'm guilty.
But, for the money, you cannot beat Hoss’s. A $60 steak at Morton’s is delicious until you take a crap and realize you just ate three Jacksons and released them.
But a $17 steak at Hoss’s, washed down with a baked sweet with brown sugar, a salad, and a multitude of heavenly sweets… that’s something that gives me no indigestion.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
delight per dollar you may be right
I find great pleasure in finding a local joint with a $25 filet that is just as good as anything i’ve had at morton’s…like cucina allessa in Huntington Beach
"my dad says Michigan used to be good"
That was me
Just noting that there is a world of difference between cheap steak and Ruth Chris/Morton’s. Almost like they’re not the same meat at all.
FWIW, I normally prefer Morton’s to Ruth Chris. In Pittsburgh however, the Ruth Chris is far better than Morton’s. It’s an anomaly. Never had the steak at a Capital Grill, but their lobster burger is one of the finest things ever invented.
"WHY IS EVERYONE THE FREAKING STUPID?" BMAN13
by kijana's acl on Dec 30, 2011 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
For the record,
I’m even more confused about whether or not I should try it than I was before I asked.
"The only difference between a brown-noser and a shit head is depth perception"
-PSU_Lions_84
Posting so the post count in this thread is not 717.
All in spite of Rambler.
718!
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
Like James coburn said
In that one movie with Gibson
“that’s just MEAN man!”
"my dad says Michigan used to be good"
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