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Penn State vs. Houston - A Case Keenum Retrospective

HOUSTON - OCTOBER 22:  Head coach Kevin Sumlin (L) hands quarterback Case Keenum #7, the game ball, as athletic director Mack Rhoades looks on at Robertson Stadium on October 22, 2011 in Houston, Texas. Keenum broke the NCAA career total offensive record against the Marshall Thundering Herd.  (Photo by Bob Levey/Getty Images)

It's certainly unusual for a Conference USA team to feature the most widely known player on the field when they play a squad with a rich and storied tradition like Penn State. With all due respect to All-American defensive tackle Devon Still, that is exactly what will happen when the Nittany Lions battle the Houston Cougars on Monday afternoon in the TicketCity Bowl.

Andre Ware. David Klingler. Kevin Kolb. The Houston Cougars are no strangers to the Run and Shoot offense and explosive, stat-compiling quarterbacks. Their best one might just be on the field for his final collegiate game on Monday when Case Keenum leads the 17th ranked Houston Cougars against a top-10 Penn State defense.

Keenum is a talented and accurate passer who plays in a system well suited to his strengths. He's also one of those players that seems to always be in a Houston uniform. During his six-year tenure as a University of Houston student, Keenum became the first college quarterback to throw for 5,000 yards in three different seasons, and set FBS records for total offense, passing yards, and touchdown passes.

Lightly recruited out of Abilene's Wylie High School (where he held a 31-11 record as a starter, passed for 48 touchdowns, ran for 41, and led the school to its first Texas state championship), Keenum selected Houston, the only university in major college football to make a scholarship offer. Keenum redshirted during the 2006 season while senior quarterback Kevin Kolb held down the starting job.

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As a redshirt freshman, Keenum battled sophomore Blake Joseph at quarterback and managed to start 7 games while seeing action in all 13. Keenum gave a taste of the future during a Texas Bowl performance against TCU, where he threw for 335 yards on 23-28 passing. Overall, Keenum finished the year as the team leader in passing yards and touchdown passes, ranked second on the team in rushing yards and touchdowns, and was the consensus 2007 Conference USA Freshman of Year.

Keenum put the world on notice, though, during the 2008 season. As a redshirt sophomore, Keenum led the nation in total offense and became only the second player in the storied QB history of the Cougar program to pass for 5,000 yards. He threw at least 2 touchdowns in every game but one, and at one point went 219 attempts without being intercepted. Keenum was named the 2008 Conference USA Offensive Player of the Year and led the Cougars to their first bowl win since 1980.

In 2008, Keenum trailed only Texas Tech's Graham Harrell nationally in passing yardage. In 2009, Keenum joined Harrell in the record books, as they became the only two players in the history of Division I football to pass for 5,000 yards in multiple seasons. The Cougars were once again the nation's most explosive team, ranked number 1 in total offense, scoring offense, and passing yards per game. Keenum led the Cougars to a 10-4 record and an appearance in the Conference USA title game, where they eventually lost to East Carolina. It'd be hard for Keenum to have been more successful personally - he was a first or second team All-American on multiple lists and was a finalist for the Davey O'Brien Award, given to the finest signal caller in the nation.

Keenum entered his 2010 redshirt senior campaign with a tremendous amount of momentum. He seemingly capitalized on it immediately, throwing for 5 touchdowns and completing 17 of 22 passes in his season debut against Texas State. But during the third game of the season against UCLA, things took a dramatic turn. Keenum dropped back to pass and was intercepted by a UCLA defender. As he attempted a tackle during the return, Keenum tore his ACL. Houston finished a disappointing 5-7 and Keenum's career looked to be over.

In January of this year, the NCAA gave Keenum a reprieve, granting him a sixth year of eligibility. Keenum has not disappointed. In fact, he may have had his finest year ever. After becoming the first player in the history of major college football to throw for over 5,000 yards in three different seasons, with a stunning 9:1 touchdown-interception ratio (45 touchdowns, 5 picks), Keenum brought the Cougars to their first undefeated and untied regular season in school history.

Still, the end of this season left a bitter taste in the mouths of Houston fans everywhere. Houston again went to the Conference USA championship game, this time ranked 6th in the BCS standings, and was once again turned back. Southern Miss led the Cougars 21-14 at halftime, before blowing the game open in the 3rd quarter. Keenum's play was mediocre. While he completed 41 passes on 67 attempts for 373 yards, he threw two outrageous interceptions - one in the end zone, and one pick-6 that sealed the game for Southern Miss. At 12-1, Houston dropped out of the BCS and to the TicketCity Bowl. Keenum, once considered a serious contender for the Heisman Trophy, was snubbed by the voters and denied a trip to New York.

Skeptics will deride Houston's strength of schedule and dismiss their run this year. Still, Keenum is a quality quarterback and has led his team to both bowl wins and victories against ranked opponents. There might be no better shot at redemption than a senior bowl victory in his home state against a ranked power conference program.

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Can I just say

thank you so much to all the writers/editors/managers for all the football content recently. It’s so good to be concentrating on our opponent instead of ourselves for once. Everything else has absolutely necessitated lots of coverage, I’m just happy for the opportunity to be thoroughly distracted.

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by dbl5030 on Dec 30, 2011 12:07 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Hear Hear!!

"My kitchen is a mess y'all" Paula Deen

by Dr.TobiasFunke on Dec 30, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Skeptics will deride Houston’s strength of schedule and dismiss their run this year.

That’s where I come in!

"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings

by ReadingRambler on Dec 30, 2011 12:17 PM EST reply actions  

Me too, but for some reason....

…this matchup scares the bejeezus out of me.

by J Breezy on Dec 30, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

With Bolden at Quarterback?

And Still on a shaky wheel? We may get destroyed.

...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...

by jesse. on Dec 30, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I wonder

what happens to BSD if Bolden goes 14/19 217 yards 2 TDs and 0 INTs

Not likely, but if it does…

by swiggy04 on Dec 30, 2011 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

We can restart the off-season QB debate

I hope this happens.

#teamjustwinbaby

Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?

by psuphysicist on Dec 30, 2011 2:27 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

I'll say he had the best game of his college career.

And by about 130%. And I’d be right. What’s the point exactly? That it’s possible he’ll play 10 times better on Monday than he has all season? Sure, I admit it’s possible. Not sure I’m willing to bet on it though.

...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...

by jesse. on Dec 30, 2011 8:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Holy Shit
While he completed 41 passes on 67 attempts

Thats a lot of passes

Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?

by psuphysicist on Dec 30, 2011 12:45 PM EST reply actions  

Drew Brees threw 81 against Wisconsin in 1998.

81

Also, he lost that game. Run the football, pansies.

"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings

by ReadingRambler on Dec 30, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Word.

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by Tailgate Shogun on Dec 30, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

If you throw the ball 80 times.

Something has gone horribly wrong.

...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...

by jesse. on Dec 30, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Not if it's April.

...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...

by jesse. on Dec 30, 2011 8:17 PM EST up reply actions  

If you play < 20% of your scheduled games

You can have a medical redshirt, determined by the NCAA
Mauti was injured in Game 4 and was already over the 20%
Keenum was right on the edge and the NCAA gave it to him.

Predicting Penn State's Offensive Scripts since 2005!

by Kunza on Dec 30, 2011 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Against teams ranked #25-#75 in Sagarin

Penn State went 6-0 with a total points ratio of 1.5:1.

Houston went 4-1 with a total points ratio of 1.33:1.

Penn State is clearly better.

GO IOWA AWESOME

by ckmneon on Dec 30, 2011 1:05 PM EST reply actions  

ck...question:

throw all your stats out for a minute

do you think PSU met or exceeded their capabilities this year?

Any losses or wins that shoudn’t have happened?

I tend to think, our record was actually a little better than we were. Just curious what you thought. I was pleasantly surprised with 9-3, yet in the most gut wrenching, heartbreaking way possible.

"my dad says Michigan used to be good"

by hbeach08 on Dec 30, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

In the preseason

I predicted 10-2..sort of. I thought anything from 8-4 to 12-0 was totally possible, and 10-2 was splitting the difference. I said it would come down to the consistency / decency of the QB and O line in losable games: if they played well, 12-0 was possible. If they didn’t, the skilled guys and defense were sufficient for the team to struggle to 8-4, but not better than that. In the end, I’d say that was correct. The O line and QB(s-ish) weren’t terrible but should have been / needed to be better.

I think this team should have beaten Nebraska. In reality, they were a missed FG and some bad PI no-calls from it happening, and that was the game immediately following the shit storm, but whatever.

I’ll always wonder how the Wisconsin game would have gone differently in State College and how the Alabama game goes differently if the fake punt is spotted correctly, and I suspect they’re much, much closer, but I don’t know that the result is any different. I expected close wins against Ohio State and Illinois, but I didn’t expect PSU to play as badly against Illinois as they did or that the OSU game would be close-in-scoreboard-only.

GO IOWA AWESOME

by ckmneon on Dec 30, 2011 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Game of inches!

Saban said after the Alabama game, in praise of his quarterback, that McCarron threw just one questionable pass. He probably meant the first touchdown pass. Richardson was open in the flat (he might not have scored though) and the pass McCarron threw was perfectly covered by Hodges and Carson. If McCarron’s throw had been off by so much as three or four inches, Carson probably would have run for a touchdown.

As it was, we’re 9-3.

"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings

by ReadingRambler on Dec 30, 2011 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, and I'm pretty sure we would have beaten Wisconsin at home.

Wisconsin is bad on the road. It obviously didn’t help them this year that they didn’t schedule a road game until Michigan State, but they’re always lousy in road games. I mean, Illinois had to lose that game for them.

"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings

by ReadingRambler on Dec 30, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

This is based on what, again?

An all-world Penn State offense miraculously showing up? You have completely refused to give Wisconsin any credit whatsoever for the halftime turnarounds in the Illinois game. It is just as possible for the team that leads at the half to make insanely stupid decisions in the second as for the team trailing at the half to make brilliant adjustments that take away whatever made the opposing team successful.

Wisconsin scored at least 28 points in every single road game this year. In conference play, Penn State cracked 24 points ONCE. On the road. Against Northwestern.

Rambler, I’m stating facts here. You can blame the officiating all you want, in point of fact, you already have for the past few months and you likely always will, but at the end of the day, Wisconsin COMPLETELY TOOK THE GAME AWAY FROM PENN STATE AND THAT PISSES YOU OFF.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Dec 31, 2011 1:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Wow. Relax.

Yeah Wisonsin is the greatest. Happy?

I hope you guys get absolutely destoyed by Oregon.

Happy New Year.

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Joe Paterno

by The Heel on Dec 31, 2011 10:39 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Just wondering though... How much did Russel Wilson cost anyway?

"Publicity is like poison. It doesn't hurt unless you swallow it."

Joe Paterno

by The Heel on Dec 31, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

I think that's a bit much

OBrien is a good guy, and has been around here quite some time. I know he’s been feeling this way for a while and has bitten his tongue quite a bit. While we may think officiating had something to do with it, he did present facts that really can’t be disputed. His tone wasn’t really different from the tone he was responding too, and he didn’t attack. He has points in his post, implying that Wisconsin bought Russell Wilson (when there is NO evidence of that) is uncalled for IMO.

And no, I’m not a Wisky fan. I think Bielema’s a dick. But I like OBrien. He’s good people.

Fire Dan Snyder

by Cari Greene on Dec 31, 2011 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

I have done some dick things...

But I have never gone to another teams boards to gloat about a win a month after the game was over.

You also can’t deny how different that team is without Russell Wilson. Our QB situation was good compared to theirs.

"Publicity is like poison. It doesn't hurt unless you swallow it."

Joe Paterno

by The Heel on Dec 31, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn't say it wasn't different with Wilson

but that doesn’t mean he was bought. That’s a leap on your part, and an unfounded one IMO.

Also, I didn’t read his post as gloating, more as a response to Rambler that they didn’t win because of the refereeing, more that they won because they won. As said above, I don’t necessarily agree that refereeing had nothing to do with it, but I understand why he finally felt the need to say something in response.

Fire Dan Snyder

by Cari Greene on Dec 31, 2011 5:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Nobody else assumes or leaps right? heh.

Anyway, after we stomp them next year in Happy Valley I’ll make sure a month later I stop by the Wisconsin board and have some fun with anyone that says anything about the game.

"Publicity is like poison. It doesn't hurt unless you swallow it."

Joe Paterno

by The Heel on Jan 1, 2012 1:05 AM EST up reply actions  

cool thanks

I think PSU could play bama 100 times and not win

despite the score being ridiculously more lopsided against wisky, i can see us beating them 20 out of 100…don’t ask me why.

QB play really held the team back.

"my dad says Michigan used to be good"

by hbeach08 on Dec 30, 2011 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

don’t ask me why.

Perhaps because the officials literally singlehandedly stopped the majority of Penn State possessions in the first half?

"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings

by ReadingRambler on Dec 30, 2011 1:42 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I'll always point to 4 plays in that Alabama game

2 were the refs’ fault (the fake punt spot and the no-call of 3 really bad holding penalties that turned what would have been a 2ish yard run by Richardson into a 22 yard run that put them in the red zone) and the other 2 were fumbles.

Change those four plays, PSU wins. Of course, change 3 or 4 plays the other way and Alabama probably wins by 30. It’s just angering that two were the refs’ fault.

GO IOWA AWESOME

by ckmneon on Dec 30, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

"QB play really held the team back."

Oh man, I am so with you on that! Put a decent qb on this team and they lose maybe 1 or 2 games, and pound everybody else. Put a very good qb on this team and they might just be playing for all the marbles right now.

by J Breezy on Dec 30, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd say 11-2, but point taken.

I’m not sure they beat Alabama or win at Wisconsin either way.

My biggest mistake was thinking that Iowa wouldn’t be terrible. Otherwise, my 8-4 prediction would’ve been pretty good.

by Chris Grovich on Dec 30, 2011 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I think we could have beat Wisky in Madison

If it weren’t for the ridiculously biased officiating. I’m not talking about the normal homefield-holding calls, but some of the absurd PI calls (or no calls) and the delay of game on McGloin. It seemed to me that after a couple of those calls, the team just had the air let out of them. It seemed like they just got the idea that the refs weren’t going to let them win, so why bother. They came out ready to play, and by th second quarter just looked like they wanted to go home.

I think if it weren’t for some of those calls, the game would at least have been competitive. If it were in SC, I think we win convincingly.

by ppfcpp on Dec 30, 2011 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

It's hard to say.

The fact is that, even without the holding, our defensive linemen were dominated. But, yes, offensively, we were killed by the officials. They stopped almost every possession after the McGloin interception. It was absurd.

"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings

by ReadingRambler on Dec 30, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

By the eye test, it just seemed like they stopped trying

Maybe it was them being dominated, but it seemed like a mental thing to me. I don’t know that we would have beaten them for sure, but I can almost guarantee that it wouldn’t have been the embarrassment that it ended up being.

by ppfcpp on Dec 30, 2011 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I really wanted to......

jump through the TV screen and choke their jagov of a HC for keeping the regulars in and still throwing the ball with 3:50 to go in the game and having a 35 point lead. Some day I hope that PSU will remember that and reverse the fortunes on that fat arse.

"The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me God."

by DerryPharmer on Dec 30, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Me, too.

I never liked him, but didn’t really mind Wisky. That game caused me to dislike Bielema even more and to dislike Wisky in general.

by J Breezy on Dec 30, 2011 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t like that weasel Bielema but I may have done the same thing in his weasel shoes. He had at least one Heisman candidate in the running and another one that should have been. I don’t know if that’s what he was thinking or not. Those BCS computers seem to like offense so why not run up the score for a possible better ranking.

I also want to see PSU pay it back to them. Wisconsin is not going to be nearly as good this coming season.

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by Dr.TobiasFunke on Dec 30, 2011 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Correct.

Wisky put a whupping on PSU. I hate to say it, but it’s true. And they beat them up front.

There were a couple bad calls (even one in PSU’s favor), but the officials didn’t decide that game. The Wisky players decided it with decidedly better play.

by J Breezy on Dec 30, 2011 2:18 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

im not one for using the refs as a cop out for a loss

you cant tell me though that a lot of PSUs momentum in that came was retarded by questionable calls at best.

And the McGloin personal foul, to me, was the pristine bullet evidence of the conspiracy theory.

I have never before nor since seen that called. And I saw Aaron Rodgers do it twice in one game.

by swiggy04 on Dec 30, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

The McGloin personal foul is probably the worst call I've EVER seen

Not only is that a common thing, it’s what QBs are taught to do. It’s done so that he doesn’t get drilled by an unblocked DE who didn’t hear the whistle.

To me, that call was basically the refs giving PSU a giant middle finger. And the fact that Bradley didn’t even argue it was telling.

by ppfcpp on Dec 30, 2011 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

The worst call I've ever seen was the Jonson catch call in the 02 Michigan game.

But that was one of the worst penalties I’ve ever seen called. Tom Brady does that five times a game.

...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...

by jesse. on Dec 30, 2011 8:20 PM EST up reply actions  

People I know.....

said prior to the Wisky game that PSU would never get another call for them…..I disagreed, but during and after that game, I had to agree with them. Unfortunately I have joined the Conspiracy Theorists when I see some of the shit calls made against PSU. But then again, WE ARE in conspiratorial times.

"The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me God."

by DerryPharmer on Dec 30, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not sure about ever

But it sure did look like the B1G was trying to go anything they could to keep us out of the championship game. So toss me in the conspiracy theorist group.

by ppfcpp on Dec 30, 2011 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Screw that!!!!

We absolutely should have won the Nebraska game. Go find the game on replay. Watch the clock late in the 4th. I had 20 yard line tickets… I see Moxie scramble out of bounds and the clock just kept running. Worst part was everyone in the stands were screaming but it didn’t look like anyone did anything about it. There were a few of those, some awful PIs, blah…blah… WE ARE going to have to just own up and learn how to win by 40 in every game so this doesn’t happen.

by The Booster on Dec 30, 2011 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I was probably buzzed and can't remember

but the only call i thought was awful was the mcg personal foul

"my dad says Michigan used to be good"

by hbeach08 on Dec 30, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

No no no

the officiating most definitely does NOT keep Wisconsin from breaking 30 points. I’m sorry, did you WATCH Penn State on the road this year? The offense was an adventure to say the least; the defense could usually be counted on to do just enough that the offense could save the day late in the game.

I knew that as soon as Wisconsin broke 28 on Penn State that there was no way this particular Nittany Lion offense was going to come back on the road. The magic goal was 4 TDs, which Penn State’s offense proved able to score in one game: Northwestern.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Dec 31, 2011 1:51 AM EST up reply actions  

As far as officiating..

I can tell you that you figure out within the first 10 plays what you’re going to get away with on the OL.

If your OL gets called for holding you know they are gonna pay attention and make sure not to hold. If you dont get any calls, you’re feeling pretty good that you have a pretty long leash. As the game goes on and there arent any holding calls (Especially on plays that take 5 seconds or more behind the line of scrimmage.. see Russell Wilson’s long scrambles) the OL will hold more because its not being called. By the time the third quarter hit in Wisconsin they were dragging Hill and Still to the ground. Go back and check the tape.

Pass Interference is similar. When you see a Dback get up and look around… he’s seeing what he can get away with. Wisconsin was also not called for pass interference on a few plays where their Dbacks were looking around for flags.

Meanwhile, after a few calls against PSU’s offense… they get more timid.

Does this make a difference in the outcome? Probably not… but it does point to why PSU would appear to have given up by the end of the game.

"Publicity is like poison. It doesn't hurt unless you swallow it."

Joe Paterno

by The Heel on Dec 31, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

I actually voted in....

my Family Poll that PSU would go 10-2 and was pleasantly surprised and gut-wrenched at the same time during the season with how they finished….despite the average QB play, I really thought they had a better than even chance to win the 1st ever B1G Championship game….but we all know what transpired over the last 2 months and I do think that “IT” affected this team at least mentally. I do think with better QBing that they had a good chance at 11-1 or even 12-0….what I do know is, “if ands and buts were…..” Considering, I thought they did as well as could be expected with the vision of “hindsight”. Now as to how they perform in the Bowl, I am not at all confident of anything.

"The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me God."

by DerryPharmer on Dec 30, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

pretty much with you except for your first sentence

I thought we would be 7-5

"my dad says Michigan used to be good"

by hbeach08 on Dec 30, 2011 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I dunno...

Calling the qb play average is being quite magnaminous, in my opinion.

I think the overall qb play stunk.

by J Breezy on Dec 30, 2011 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree.

"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings

by ReadingRambler on Dec 30, 2011 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

trying to find ANY good out of this

and obviously I do not know Joe as well as you (ok I never met him in real life) but maybe had it not gone down the way it did, he doesn’t schedule the doctor’s appointment during the season and doesn’t catch the csncer when he does.

Reporter: Can you give us a touchdown celebration, one that you would get penalized for?
Moye: I play at Penn State. I don’t celebrate.

by psupride on Dec 30, 2011 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Houston runs a quintessential offense to counter a cover 3

We’re not going to see Glenn, and I’m really happy we have Gerald as a LB, but even then, some WR’s will be matched vs our LB’s, mostly vs Stupar, and they’ll complete passed. If Penn State wants to win, Rob has to complete passes, because they’ll stack 8 in the box, and I don’t trust our OL too much

I think we win, but it’ll be close. Very close. They haven’t faced a team like us, but we haven’t faced an offense like theirs.

Some guy at Penn State Hershey just discovered a virus that eats cancer. Where were the CNN trucks for that? Now Someone at PSU found something that could cure Leukemia. Coverage? None. THON will probably break $10 mil this year. Put that on "Outside the Lines" you sanctimonious pricks!

by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Dec 30, 2011 3:36 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Constructing Houston from B1G teams

jNW with Indiana’s receivers and Iowa’s 2nd string defense

GO IOWA AWESOME

by ckmneon on Dec 30, 2011 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, they're better than IU's WR's, at least with Edwards

Given, they’re also probably worse than Iowa’s D. At least not as well coached

Some guy at Penn State Hershey just discovered a virus that eats cancer. Where were the CNN trucks for that? Now Someone at PSU found something that could cure Leukemia. Coverage? None. THON will probably break $10 mil this year. Put that on "Outside the Lines" you sanctimonious pricks!

by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Dec 30, 2011 3:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

We'll see how much is left of this team on Monday.

P.S.: It’s only a noon start here, there it’s at 11:00 am. We always start slow in noon games, what do you think the 11:00 am start will mean? And Houston is on local time. It’s a smaller story, but I’m sure you’ve been following it.

...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...

by jesse. on Dec 30, 2011 8:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I think this bears further consideration.

That tendency to start slowly could be fatal if Houston jumps out to a quick 14-21 point lead. I can see Houston jumping on our DBs for a quick score or two; depending upon where the Lions’ collective psyche is, that could siphon off their energy and lead to a very long day for us fans.

Not pessimistic, though. I think we will prevail, 27 – 14, with our defense giving our offense the ball in favorable position at least once, and with a couple of long punt/KO returns. I do see Houston scoring first, which wakes up the D so they lock down the rest of the game.

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by PSU_Lions_84 on Dec 31, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

If they nick us for two quick scores....

…I think that will be pretty much ball game. A fair percentage of the team doesn’t want to be there as it is.

...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...

by jesse. on Dec 31, 2011 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll say it a million times, because it's true:

Houston does not run the perfect offense for defeating our defense. Mark Sanchez ran the perfect offense for defeating our defense.

"Woop woop." - Waylon Jennings

by ReadingRambler on Dec 31, 2011 12:31 AM EST up reply actions  

This is true.

But where are the points going to come from? Even if they hold Houston to 17 points, where the hell are the points going to come from? Just because this team earned a better bowl bid, doesn’t mean they don’t have the same flaws they’ve had all season long.

I just don’t see where all manic confidence is coming from. 24 points beats Penn State for sure tomorrow, and we’re playing one of the most efficient offenses in the country. If we win this one, it will be a dog fight. And if we lose, it could be ugly.

...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...

by jesse. on Dec 31, 2011 5:45 PM EST up reply actions  

This is how I feel, too.

I’m not getting all the confidence in this game either. As I said before, I think PSU has to score 30+ to win this game and getting that many points is a tall order for this offense. ESPECIALLY with Bolden at qb.

by J Breezy on Dec 31, 2011 6:07 PM EST up reply actions  

"Andre Ware. David Klingler. Kevin Kolb."

So you’re telling me Keenum is going to be an overpriced and overhyped hack of a backup NFL QB?

Fun fact: None of those 3 have a career NFL QB rating above 68.4.

by TheWrathofQBEagles on Dec 30, 2011 7:39 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Chuck Burkhardt, John Schaeffer, Kerry Collins, Chuck Fusina, Todd Blackledge

In order, the best five QBs PSU has had.
One NFL career.

Let’s get real here.

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by joefromboalsburg on Dec 30, 2011 7:47 PM EST reply actions  

Burkhardt and Shaffer.

Only one NFL Carrier? Really.

Oh, you mean the two quarterbacks that handed the ball off and let the defenses with games.

Because off the top of my head, several NFL carriers come to mind; Franco Harris, Lydell Mitchell, Mike Reid, Steve Smear, Jack Ham, Dennis Onkontz, DJ Dozier, Steve Smith, Blair Thomas, Shane Conlin and Mike Zordich.

So I think the answer to the question is, that your two top guys aren’t really the best quarterbacks, they are the guys that took care of four really talented teams. I think if you simply isolate the position play out you get a different answer pretty quickly. Like, on this team, Shaffer wouldn’t be even close to beating out McGloin.

...may we compete with fierce intensity, with the gifts that we have been given...

by jesse. on Dec 30, 2011 8:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Eh

I don’t think any of them were throwing for 5,000+ yards and being drafted in the 1st or 2nd round. That was my only point.

by TheWrathofQBEagles on Dec 30, 2011 9:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Blackledge was a 1st round choice.

He was taken before Marino. Obviously it was a mistake. I was shocked at the time that he was taken not only in the 1st round, but so high. His release was way too slow to be good to great in the NFL.

by J Breezy on Dec 31, 2011 8:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Blackledge had a 7 year NFL career.

That’ll get you a pension for playing football.

Chuck Fusina had a 4 year NFL career and also earned paychecks for 3 years in the USFL. He was the top rated qb in the league, led his team to back-to-back titles, and was MVP of the championship game.

by J Breezy on Dec 30, 2011 9:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Frankly, I don't care how Penn State QBs do in the NFL,

since — DUH! — their presence in the NFL comes AFTER their college endeavors. Of the five QBs you listed, JFB, three won NCs for Penn State. (Yeah, I am including Collins as having won a NC — we were screwed that year.) How many NCs did Ware/Kolb/Klingler win?

JoeFromBoalsburgForPittPanthers — fixed your handle for you.

"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.

"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."

by PSU_Lions_84 on Dec 31, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree

and measure of a successful college QB isn’t how he did in the pros—it’s how he did in college. That is why Clark was successful IMO (I know, I know, hate to bring up that debate again…but I feel it needs to be said).

Fire Dan Snyder

by Cari Greene on Dec 31, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Hey, NC, did you happen to see my post

about meeting DC at the State College mall last Friday? Got some good pics and autographs from him. Great young man, who was trying to be a GA for Penn State until the scandal blew up.

"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.

"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."

by PSU_Lions_84 on Dec 31, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I did! I was so jealous. I know Letsgo met him this year as well.

I saw him a few feet away before the Nebraska game. He is the true epitome of what it means to be a Penn State player, IMO.

If he doesn’t coach, I would love to see him be on screen, color commentary or in studio—he is very articulate and has a degree in communications. I’ve enjoyed his “Clark’s Corner” on BWI as well, as he definitely knows what he is talking about. He represents our University very well.

Also, he’s not hard to look at ;)

Fire Dan Snyder

by Cari Greene on Dec 31, 2011 5:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree with everything but the last point.

My wife and her friend were eager to get hugged by him, and commented, “He is solid muscle!” I remember being in my mid-20’s . . . .

"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.

"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."

by PSU_Lions_84 on Dec 31, 2011 7:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Just hope our players

are concentrating on preparation, rather than the coaching search.

Need to have a better effort than vs Wisconsin.

by posas14 on Dec 31, 2011 1:47 PM EST reply actions  

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