Penn State Coaching Search: Al Golden
by Chris Grovich on Dec 9, 2011 6:00 AM EST
in Football
Email
Print
If you've been following my writing long enough, you know that I've referred to the current University of Miami head coach as Future Penn State Head Coach Al Golden for a number of years. It's always been a bit of a tongue-in-cheek thing, but also a nod to a guy who turned around the Temple football program's fortunes when nobody else had been remotely successful before him.
He's a former Penn State captain, only 42 years old, and would almost assuredly take the job if offered. Ladies and gentlemen, I present Future Penn State Head Coach Al Golden.
Head Coaching Record
| Year | School | Record | Off. S&P | Rank | Def. S&P | Rank | Overall S&P Rank |
| 2006 | Temple | 1-11 | 48.4 | 119 | 77.1 | 116 | 119 |
| 2007 | Temple | 4-8 | 80.6 | 113 | 93.6 | 82 | 108 |
| 2008 | Temple | 5-7 | 83.3 | 110 | 103.9 | 54 | 95 |
| 2009 | Temple | 9-4 | 101.7 | 72 | 89.5 | 96 | 85 |
| 2010 | Temple | 8-4 | 96.7 | 79 | 92.2 | 77 | 84 |
| 2011 | Miami | 6-6 | 114.3 | 24 | 96.9 | 74 | 50 |
Temple was a smoldering crater when Golden showed up in 2006. The 2006 offensive S&P of 48.4 is the lowest, by far, in the Football Outsiders database going back to 2005. The improvement is rather obvious throughout Golden's tenure at Temple, especially in the win-loss column.
Miami was a volatile team this season, losing to an awful Maryland team to start the year (to be fair, Miami was playing without eight suspended players and was likely blinded by Maryland's putrid state flag uniforms). They beat Ohio State, then lost a close game to what turned out to be a rather good Kansas State team. The team essentially flailed about, which you'd expect given the turmoil they endured.
The offensive S&P number is a pleasant surprise. Miami's offensive coordinator is Jedd Fisch, bio here. You'll recall Miami's defensive coordinator from his Linebacker U days.
Coaching Experience
Prior to his taking the Temple job, Golden was the defensive coordinator at the University of Virginia from 2001-2005. He spent one year on Joe Paterno's coaching staff as a recruiting coordinator and linebackers coach in 2000. He was also a linebackers coach at Boston College from 1997-1999.
Some people continue to squawk about Golden's sudden departure for Virginia toward the end of recruiting season in early 2000. Look, when you're a position coach in your early 30's and are given an opportunity to become a defensive coordinator at a major program like Virginia, you take it.
At Temple, Golden was universally praised for changing the off-field culture as much as the on-field results. Not only had Temple been recently booted from the Big East, they were also stripped of nine scholarships by the NCAA for poor academic performance. Golden made his players sit in the front two rows of classrooms and visit their professors during office hours. He randomly checked attendance by showing up at classes. He turned a total joke of a program into one of the more stable and competitive teams in the MAC.
On the other hand, Golden never won the MAC. Temple's best finish was an eastern division title in 2009, a season which started with losses to Villanova and Penn State, followed by nine straight wins, then losses in the MAC championship game to Ohio and the Eaglebank Bowl to UCLA.
Coaching Philosophy
Rather basic, really. A 4-3 defense and a pro-style offense, presumably one not permanently led by The Human Interception, Jacory Harris. Golden is also ridiculously detail-oriented, and a tireless recruiter. When he interviewed for the Miami job, he brought a long a 300-plus page plan of how to move Miami football forward. He was heavily recommended by Jimmy Johnson, Bill Parcells, and Jim Leavitt.
Fit - Cultural, Personnel, Etc.
Culturally, you won't find a better fit anywhere. Golden obviously knows, loves, and lives Penn State, right down to wearing a tie on the sidelines as an homage to Joe Paterno. The real question is, how interested is Penn State? Golden has reportedly inquired about the position in the past, and been politely told "no thanks". He supposedly has a bloc of support within the Penn State Lettermen's Club, and certainly would be accepted by a significant portion of the fanbase who would like new blood with cultural ties to the Penn State tradition. Golden recently signed a contract extension at Miami through the 2020 season, which brings up questions about a potentially massive buyout figure, but because Miami is a private institution the details of Golden's contract aren't exactly available.
So, Future Penn State Head Coach Al Golden. What say you, BSD Commentariat?
Previous Candidate Profiles:
Dan Mullen, Mississippi State HC
Tom Bradley, Penn State Interim HC
Mike Munchak, Tennessee Titans (NFL) HC
Be sure to become a fan of BSD on Facebook, and follow us on Twitter!
178 comments
|
0 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
if
If were keeping it in the family id rather keep scrap.
by Jog73 on Dec 9, 2011 6:08 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions
thought both are "in the family", there's a big difference
Al hasn’t been around the program in 10 years. That’s a long departure, and presumably would be easier for the media to handle/BOT to justify.
Fire Dan Snyder
But he left right when this stuff was reaching a peak around the Lasch Building
At least that is what the present information leads me to believe.
If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris
I believe he left over a year before the incident McQ witnessed
around the time the janitor’s stuff, but as of now there’s no evidence that anyone within the coaching staff itself knew anything before 2002, IIRC
Fire Dan Snyder
My wishlist
1. Bradley (sadly)
2. Richt
3. Schiano
4. Golden
5. Shaw
6. Munchak
7. Mullen
8. Murphy
I, for one, plan to continue my life long contempt for the powers that be and I fully expect to be disappointed with whatever choice is made. ~PSUgirl
I wouldn't lose complete faith in Bradley yet.
There’s supposedly a showdown looming regarding his candidacy.
by Chris Grovich on Dec 9, 2011 7:37 AM EST up reply actions
In complete honesty
I’m not 100% sold on how he’d be as a head coach. I just think it would be ridiculous for him to not have a chance based solely on JS. That and he’s at the top of my list because none of the other candidates (minus Richt) really make me excited. Richt is the only one who I would rather have that Tom, if given a realistic opportunity. Although the fact that he could never beat Urbs makes me fearful that would continue here as well.
I, for one, plan to continue my life long contempt for the powers that be and I fully expect to be disappointed with whatever choice is made. ~PSUgirl
by jman07 on Dec 9, 2011 7:51 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I've heard that
as well, and also do you buy into the comments made by Joyner yesterday regarding him? Or do you think that’s just fluff talk kind of like Erickson’s comments about the “academic institiution”
Pistols or rapiers?
Cutlasses would be in play with Mike Leach.
"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
Or blunderbusses
Chris, when you say a “showdown,” between whom? Obviously, Joyner/Erickson are on one side of the line, who else is standing with Bradley?
The depth of both my sadness and anger is unfathomable.
We (Still) Are...
Lots of former players and influential alumni, it seems.
by Chris Grovich on Dec 9, 2011 9:01 AM EST up reply actions
But would there be a division between those alumni who want Scrap and those who want the Golden Boy?
If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris
I suppose.
But I doubt it would be as severe as those alumni who want one of those guys as opposed to, say, Mark Richt.
by Chris Grovich on Dec 9, 2011 9:38 AM EST up reply actions
Would it be safe to say
That hiring Bradley because a bunch of behind the scenes folks with deep ties to the old program would look terrible from an outsider’s perspective? Because that’s what it would look like. The trustees talk about transparency and cleaning house, and say “we really mean it/everyone is accountable”, and then some unnamed insiders exert influence to hire the guy that’s already in the family. Perception matters.
that's interesting
My take on this is that the former players are really important to the Athletic Department financially. Plenty of those guys have done very well for themselves in their professional lives and they’re big donors; as a group they may well be the most influential group of donors other than the BoT.
Perception matters, but so do donations. You can’t piss off the guys that fund the program.
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
by spakajewia on Dec 9, 2011 10:07 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
They also haven't been completely secretive.
Many of the former players are publicly supporting Scrap.
Tom Bradley for PSU Head Coach!
Follow @Paige2PSU
Here is why I like Golden over TB (very small margin)
He had the “stones” to make the jump to UVA and take a risk.
That kind of ambition was rewarded and now HC at major program, I have very slight issue with longtime assistants, where is the drive to take a chance on smaller program and prove worth.
May no act.................
So where does Bud Foster fall?
As to the ambition, sometimes people are just happy where they are at. That could be it. Or, maybe he doesn’t have the desired ambition. Good point though and something to think about.
I, for one, plan to continue my life long contempt for the powers that be and I fully expect to be disappointed with whatever choice is made. ~PSUgirl
Bud Foster is in the same boat as TB
Doesn’t make them a bad person or coach…just makes me wonder about ambition.
Read this article, http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2009/08/ny_jets_defensive_coordinator.html
Talk about a guy with brass stones…cashed in entire 401K to become coach for Ravens and moved wife/kids…that is someone who believes in himself
May no act.................
Honest Question:
Do you have some sort of personal relationship/friendship with Mike Pettine Jr? Are you financially invested somehow with his coaching candidacy at PSU? I guess I’m being a little sarcastic here (advanced apologies), but at the same time I’m genuinely curious.
Run.
Ha. No...never met the guy
But valid question.
Just like to think outside normal bubble of PSU.
I also like Herm Edwards as college coach, I think he would be good fit
May no act.................
This search is becomming a drag.
The NCAA and B1G are not being helpful either.
I’m beginning to get on board with a high risk, perhaps high reward, play call like Tom Clements. Get something in place and move on by the middle of the month, which leaves one week.
Are you listening President Lackey? I just put you on deadline.
My weariness amazes me, I’m branded on my feet.
"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
While this drags on...
Recruits are visiting and donors such as myself are viewing a rapidly approaching end of the year with no donation yet made and waiting for how this hot mess comes together. And if I don’t give to the NLC before 12/31/11 I might not bother.
He completed 17 of individuals 26 passes for 192 lanscaping your yard and two touchdowns - Chan Luu
Golden or Petersen would be my top choices
I think either would put an excellent product on the field and continue to graduate men who would go on to make us proud off the field. Scrap would probably do that too, but I have him tied for third with Munchak based solely upon my preference for a guy who has run a program before (more than part of one season).
Love the flag, hate the uniforms.
by Chris Grovich on Dec 9, 2011 9:00 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Great flag.
If they tones down the uni’s it would be better.
Awesome campus but located in crappy part of DC burbs…they should have hired the Pirate.
But they had so many issues with academics that the prez wouldn’t let it happen and gamble. That program needs more than gimmick unis
May no act.................
...
1) Great flag… or greatest flag?
2) The helmet needs to be reversed from the shoulders, the way the flag is.
3) I’d like to see some kind of stripe down the middle of the helmet, just to break the jarring pattern switch.
4) You’re absolutely right about Maryland’s campus. It’s a shame that it’s not located in Columbia or Annapolis. If the campus could be magically relocated to the shores of the Bay north of Annapolis, up along I-97, that would be perfect.
5) Leach probably wasn’t the right hire. Franklin would have been very good. I think that the program also would have done well to try and hire Petersen away from Boise State.
(We now return you to your regularly scheduled Penn State programming.)
Great flag?
it looks like it’s half of a pizza slut table cloth. great flag?
Sorry...
but really, who in the hell puts that kind of color scheme together and thinks it’s a good idea. Sumbich is so busy, it burns my eyes if I look at it for more than a second or two.
apart from my time at Penn State
I’ve lived in MD my whole life. And at least the flag is…memorable.
As a kid coloring it in with crayon in a social studies class, it was a blast.
Fire Dan Snyder
there are only three colors on the flag...
that is, if you don’t count white as a color, and do count black.
Fire Dan Snyder
Another plane to track
This one apparently took the coaches/staff to Dallas yesterday for the bowl press conference.
Don't worry...
Once President DBag makes his new placing integrity and academics above the football team, they won’t have any money for flights, or airplanes, or an airport.
That's President Lackey to you.
"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
by SubLime on Dec 9, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
If this happens I am filing for a divorce of Penn State fandom
Hopefully one of the BSD lawyers, jesse. perhaps, can handle the paperwork.
If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris
New QB's Coach
Finally we can put an end to ill-advised deep balls and wormburners.
And, we can send Questlove on recruiting trips and no one will know the difference!
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
Well Bolden
would be the starting QB. He already throws the ball at WRs feet as well as McNabb does.
I, for one, plan to continue my life long contempt for the powers that be and I fully expect to be disappointed with whatever choice is made. ~PSUgirl
And Bolden's parent's seem equally as obnoxious as the McNabbs.
Run.
by Bob Sacamano on Dec 9, 2011 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
Pretty sure Bolden's mom has been the voice of reason throughout this mess
You work for ESPN?
by kijana's acl on Dec 9, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
Well, swap Bolden's dad with Donny's mom.
Ugh, no.
Run.
by Bob Sacamano on Dec 9, 2011 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
I'd take Reid...I'd also buy stock in grilled stickey's...
May no act.................
by SweepTheLeg on Dec 9, 2011 9:49 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No kidding . . .
They’d be delivering them by the pallet.
"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
by SubLime on Dec 9, 2011 9:54 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd for the grilled stickey's
not the taking of Reid, although that would mean he wasn’t in Philly……
Reporter: Can you give us a touchdown celebration, one that you would get penalized for?
Moye: I play at Penn State. I don’t celebrate.
My Wish List
1. Peterson (long shot I know but I like the guy’s offense and the attitude of his team)
2. David Cutcliffe (Coaches at Duke, coached the Mannings and runs a nice pro style offense, one knock is he is already 57 years old)
3. Scrap
4. Golden (like the tenacity his recruited teams have)
5. Richt (I live close to UGA, they recruit my school, good people from what I see, and Richt is a genuine good guy)
If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris
I was wondering when someone
was going to mention David Cutcliffe.
He completed 17 of individuals 26 passes for 192 lanscaping your yard and two touchdowns - Chan Luu
I think he is a perfect fit
Integrity, Check
Success, Check
Developer of elite QBs, Check
Imagine what he could do with PSU resources? It would be great, and if Duke can trust him with the keys to their program why can’t PSU?
If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris
by carolinaeasy on Dec 9, 2011 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
I love me some Mark Richt too
also, just for the guys, his wife is pretty hot
"I've seen over 200 episodes of Law & Order and it's paying off big time!"
GET A ROOM
I, for one, plan to continue my life long contempt for the powers that be and I fully expect to be disappointed with whatever choice is made. ~PSUgirl
ahhhh
hugging as grown men do. How I will miss that.
I'm on the Internet cause I'm an Internet thug.
#OccupyESPN
Follow @134Lounge
Someone in that photo might be offended.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
I'm just describing the manner of their hugging
not the individuals involved. That would be uncivil.
I'm on the Internet cause I'm an Internet thug.
#OccupyESPN
Follow @134Lounge
My list
1. Me
2. Scrap
3. Golden
4. Munchak
5. Mullen
6. The ghost of George Paterno
7. Petersen
Under no circumstances:
NFL coach with no college HC experience
Addendum
Should have read
Under no circumstances:
NFL coach with no college HC experience with the exception of Munchak
by Tailgate Shogun on Dec 9, 2011 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
One year on the coaching staff
Over the last 15 years, is one too many. And even though AG would deny knowing anything (truth would be irrelevant) the fact that he wouldn’t be able to say “I wasn’t here, so I would have had no idea” is a problem, imo.
by stewsplace on Dec 9, 2011 9:28 AM EST via mobile reply actions
If you're saying the last 15 years
you might as well broaden that to while Sandusky was coaching, and after he retired (I don’t remember when exactly he became a coach).
I am quite sure we’ll hear stories from before 15 years ago.
Fire Dan Snyder
Peterson would be the best choice, IMO
Too bad he ain’t going anywhere now that he has AQ status and a conference he can beat with his eyes closed.
Agreed about him being the best choice.
But how much longer is the BE going to be an AQ conference? And furthermore, if he’s gonna play half of his games out here anyway, maybe he’d be more willing to make the move here full-time.
"Every time you go to that cook-off you get drunk as a poet on payday!"
AQ is disappearing in two or three years.
by Chris Grovich on Dec 9, 2011 9:38 AM EST up reply actions
It has to...the Big East already was a glorified mid-major,
but now it has the teams to prove it.
I do think that in the next iteration of the BCS (current contract effectively endsd January 7, 2014), there will be a clearer path for a school like Boise State to play for the championship, but the question is whether Petersen is willing to continue foregoing the opportunity to coach at more prestigious schools to stay at Boise…maybe he’ll wait for a west-coast job, but it seems crazy to think that he’ll just stay at Boise forever…
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
He has had opportunities to move to West Coast schools before
but none as prestigious as Penn State, I think. So if we make a serious offer and he turns it down, then he is either waiting for a very specific WC program to move to (USC??) or he really does want to stay at Boise. Maybe he wants to do for Boise what Joe did for Penn State…turn a smaller, not very well known school into a respected national powerhouse. I can respect that, although I think it is much harder to do today than it was 40 some years ago (and he has to be realizing this).
That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.
Chris Petersen would be great, absolutely great for Penn State (or Maryland).
It would be sad if Boise State completely fell off the map without him. It’s a school that, much like Paterno did for Penn State, could really improve its entire picture, including its academic reputation, because of a successful football coach.
I have been sour on Golden for a while, BUT
I’m starting to turn the corner. In a lot of ways, he’s a great fit for this time at PSU. Someone with ties to the program — I’ve included the wiki description of his playing career at PSU below — but also without much if any legit connection to Sandusky. I personally don’t think HC experience is that important (our last coach had no previous HC experience; neither did Tomlin or lots of other guys), but he’s got it, and he’s now got dealing with scandal experience.
My knock on Golden has always been the most startling fact behind his Temple record: he never beat a MAC team with a winning record. Still, when you compare his coaching record to Schiano’s, I think Golden is clearly ahead because the program never took a step back while he was there as Rutgers has (though this might be b/c it’s a smaller sample size). Nevertheless, we could do much worse, and I’d be proud and happy if they select Golden. And FWIW, I don’t think money will be an issue here; if they want him, they’ll buy out the contract and make it work. PSU is not going to pinch pennies on this hire; once they determine who they want, they’ll do what the need to get him assuming he’s interested.
His PSU playing career:
Golden was a three-year (1989–91) letterwinner at tight end for Penn State,1 where he received the 1991 Ridge Riley Award, given annually to a player who displays excellence in scholarship, sportsmanship, friendship and leadership. As a junior in 1990, Golden played a key role in Penn State’s nationally-televised 24–21 upset of #1-ranked Notre Dame at South Bend. His touchdown reception late in the fourth quarter tied the score at 21 as Penn State rallied from a 21–7 deficit. Golden was named captain of the Nittany Lions his senior year and helped lead them to a 42–17 win over University of Tennessee in the 1992 Fiesta Bowl, an 11-2 record, and a #3 ranking in the final 1991 AP Poll.
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
by spakajewia on Dec 9, 2011 9:42 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
It could potentially be a great fit with a capital G
But I can’t see how PSU hires anyone that had any chance of knowing anything about the scandal. It could be as simple as “Al, did you know anything about…” with a reply of “no” – but some people would have their doubts and I can’t see them risking it. Especially because AG isn’t an urban Meyer type hire. Actually, most of the candidates so far are some good mixed in with a lot of question marks. Why risk the continuation of this saga for a potentially average coach?
by stewsplace on Dec 9, 2011 9:57 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I could be very naive
but I don’t think we are at the point where anyone who just passed through the program in the last 30 years get’s discounted right away. At least I really, really hope we aren’t at that point.
That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.
by Nittany_Ryan on Dec 9, 2011 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
Not last 30...but last 15, maybe
The scandal timeline is between 94-2008 (I may be slightly off) – and AG was a coach in 2000, right in the middle of that timeline. Im not saying it doesn’t sound ridiculous – I’m just not sure why PSU wouldn’t remove all doubt/question marks with the hire
by stewsplace on Dec 9, 2011 10:06 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
What would he know?
Having been there in 2000? What would he have known? The most I could imagine would be that he heard someone say “hey, Jerry spends a lot of time with kids (wink wink)” jokingly. This mentality is so stupid. Unless he was there in 2002 and shared a locker with McQueary or something, this shouldn’t matter.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
by OctaShields on Dec 9, 2011 1:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
"What would he have known"
Is the exact question PSU wants to avoid. He may have known nothing, but he could have known something too – noone can say for sure. This hire is partly about risk aversion IMO. There is a fine line with all of this, but when in doubt, I think you err on the side of caution.
by stewsplace on Dec 9, 2011 3:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I have a hard time believing it was even discussed in a *wink wink* sort of way
It would not surprise me if some people who were there during the 1998 investigation heard a rumor that he was being investigated and that it pertained to doing something inappropriate with a child. It would also not surprise me if anyone who did know about it concluded that it was a result of a false accusation or some misunderstanding since nothing came of the investigation. It also would not surprise me if people who were around in 2002 also heard a rumor that something inappropriate happened, but again, nothing having come of it, probably figured that it was harmless. I highly doubt the sort of details we are now privy to were ever discussed among the team and coaching staff. And so, if all there were were vague rumors and no real action ever taken against Sandusky, I don’t think it is reasonably that people should have known or should have taken some sort of action.
I also doubt that this those rumors would have been shared with anyone who wasn’t there during those particular incidents. This isn’t like a rumor that he cheated on his wife a lot—pedophilia is on a whole different level. If rumors like that were really casually discussed and even joked about, then I think I’ll jump on the “clean house” bandwagon, because that would be seriously f*cked up. But I have a hard time believing so many otherwise upstanding people would have taken such a casual attitude towards something so serious. And that is why I doubt that any rumors that may have been floating around would have been common knowledge and brought up often. So I really don’t get the mentality that anyone who was with the program in the last 15 years or more is now beyond consideration. And Joyner’s recent comments would seem to indicate that the committee is not taking that stance.
That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.
by Nittany_Ryan on Dec 9, 2011 6:51 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
What were the coaches supposed to do?
I’m on board with Nittany_Ryan’s post here. Even if the coaches had heard rumors and rumblings that Sandusky may or may not have been doing something inappropriate, what were they supposed to do with that? I might be wrong, but I don’t think you can walk into a police station and say, “I heard a rumor that JS was doing inappropriate things. I have no proof and no evidence, but you guys should go arrest him anyway.”
To say that being a part of the staff in the last 10, 15, 20 years automatically excludes a coach from consideration would be another in a long line of poor decisions based on trying to avoid public outrage instead of common sense.
I also think it’s a bit of a conclusion-jump to say that anyone who was close with McQueary had to know something. You hear stories all the time about victims not coming forward about being victims, and while I’m not sure if you can call McQueary a victim here, I don’t think it’s a foregone conclusion that he absolutely told the guys he lived/worked/spent time with.
And FWIW, I don’t think money will be an issue here; if they want him, they’ll buy out the contract and make it work. PSU is not going to pinch pennies on this hire; once they determine who they want, they’ll do what the need to get him assuming he’s interested.
I completely agree. I was always of the opinion that they created STEP as a way to begin to pay for whatever coach they were going to get once Joe retired, because they knew they wouldn’t be able to get away with what they had been paying him with the next coach.
Fire Dan Snyder
I would take him
I’d probably make my wish list out like this (for now):
1) Peterson (duh)
2) Munchak/Scrap
3) Golden
4) James Franklin
5) Schiano (maybe…I’m warming to him a bit)
Not really that interested: Richt/Mullen/Murphy
Of course not everyone on that list might be interested.
That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.
Come to think of it...
I’m actually a little bit worried about the prospect of hiring Petersen.
Penn State is going to get, unjustly, hammered over the next year or two. Every time a new civil suit is filed, every time there is a report about the Sandusky trial, every time ESPN has a slow news day, this is going to get brought up. The NCAA and B1G are positioning themselves to hammer Penn State with significant sanctions. It’s going to be a mess.
If Petersen stays at Boise State through its Big “East” move, maybe he gets a taste of playing football in the area and considers leaving Boise State. By 2015, Penn State will be ready to move from the “contaminated” phase to the rebuilding phase. It might be a better match then.
by Tezcatlipoca on Dec 9, 2011 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
Just remember Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman were murdered in June 1994
That was 17 1/2 years ago. The civil suit for Ron Goldman was settled in 2008… that took 14 years!
JS case is TEN victims. Penn State, Second Mile, Jerry, Dottie, Paterno, McQueary will all be sued by each of the victims… by my count 10×6 = 60 potential civil suits.The civil suits will be in court for decades. 2015 is being extremely optomistic.
Each suit will not be filed separately
and each defendent won’t be sued separately either. It’s not good but it’s not as bad as you have laid out either.
I, for one, plan to continue my life long contempt for the powers that be and I fully expect to be disappointed with whatever choice is made. ~PSUgirl
Also, remember the BP oils pill and Fukishima nuclear disasters?
Those DOMINATED headlines for even longer than IT has, but you don’t hear that much about them anymore. Right now it seems like this firestorm will burn at Penn State for years and years, but I think things will settle down much more quickly. Getting the new HC hire out of the way and just wrapping up the football season will help that a lot. This story will DEFINITELY keep coming up over the years, but I think it will be a more of a 15 second update here or there instead of “OMG TEAR DOWN THE UNIVERSITY!!!!!”
That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.
by Nittany_Ryan on Dec 9, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
raped children > oil-sick birds > radioactive leak from power plant built on a fault line
on a morality scale, this is far worse. This is the shock and awe that still sells “paper” news.
comparing these is comparing apples to oranges
I could see arguments for lesser or greater morality on both sides (I mean, in the BP oil spill, people did actually lose their lives).
Fire Dan Snyder
Difference is Sandusky's actions were done with an intent to harm another
BP had gross negligence. Morality-wise Sandusky is much worse.
by PSUinOH on Dec 9, 2011 2:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I agree on that sort
but I wasn’t thinking of comparing Sandusky to BP, but rather PSU to BP. And in a way, PSU’s issue was also gross negligence.
Fire Dan Snyder
forgot Curley and Schultz...
Sara Ganim (reporter from Patriot-News) interview stated she thought this would be going on for 25 years… so even if it is only 8 consolidated civil suits and it is no where near as bad as I (and Sara) foresee, this will still be brought up everytime I submit my resume… we will all retire before this goes away.
If it's brought up when you submit a resume
you should probably walk out of the interview room. Unless you mean somebody says something like, “man that’s a terrible situation, huh?”..otherwise, if somebody said that to me I’d remove myself from job consideration.
I, for one, plan to continue my life long contempt for the powers that be and I fully expect to be disappointed with whatever choice is made. ~PSUgirl
by jman07 on Dec 9, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I agree that this thing will be in the courts for longer than 2015...
But I think that’s when the media and public will wear out their moral outrage and something else will come along for them to go berserk over. After four non-stop years of denigrating everything associated with Penn State, I think the media and public will ease off and Penn State will be able to start rebuilding.
by Tezcatlipoca on Dec 9, 2011 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
Seriously
We just haven’t had a major news story happen in the last couple weeks. Once something else horrible happens, the media will move onto that.
I, for one, plan to continue my life long contempt for the powers that be and I fully expect to be disappointed with whatever choice is made. ~PSUgirl
There is this little thing called a presidential election coming up
Last time we had one of those, I seem to remember hearing a thing or two about it before hand.
That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.
by Nittany_Ryan on Dec 9, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
Well, ESPN doesn't typically cover those...
I’m laying odds on a massive scandal at Florida State or LSU being the sports story that becomes all-consuming.
by Tezcatlipoca on Dec 9, 2011 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
They can file against whoever they want
everyone but Jerry, Penn State and Second Mile would be dismissed before trial.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
by OctaShields on Dec 9, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
why would Paterno & McQ be sued by all the victims?
you’re potentially saying they should be sued by people who were victimized before there’s any proof either of them knew anything illegal may have taken place. I can see, though I disagree personally with as they were found legally to be fine, Victim #2 suing those two—but as of now, we don’t know who victim #2 is. And, I guess, by extension a suit COULD be filed for victims after 2002, because since not charges were filed out of the 2002 incident, Sandusky was free to molest more victims. But even that is stretching, because they did report it to their superiors.
That would reduce your number by a lot.
Fire Dan Snyder
First rule for plaintiffs attorneys:
Sue everyone and let the judge sort it out. People can be dropped from a lawsuit but cannot be added once the suit is filed, so you name as many people as you can think of that might even be tangentially related.
/I learned that in my Health Law class which was taught by a lawyer (along with make sure you have personal liability insurance because you’re going to get sued if you’re a hospital administrator), so I consider that to be an educated answer. Correct me if I’m wrong real lawyers!
Tom Bradley for PSU Head Coach!
Follow @Paige2PSU
"Sue everyone for everything"
That was the first thing my Business Law Prof said the first day of class in grad school
"I've seen over 200 episodes of Law & Order and it's paying off big time!"
Close enough, but it's a bit more complicated
You can add parties later, but you have to meet certain qualifications (which differ between states as well as federally). You also have to have a good faith basis to bring whatever claims you want it bring, so plaintiff’s attorneys do have an obligation (in theory) to not just throw stuff at the wall and see what sticks. Whether plaintiff’s attorneys take that obligation seriously is very much up for debate, but ethical codes demand it.
@JPosnanski - I saw a girl crying tonight. When I asked why she said: "Because everybody lost."
#OccupyESPN
by Adam Collyer on Dec 10, 2011 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
I don't see how people who dislike Schiano,
like Golden. They are so similar. Also, Schiano has a better track record than Golden, in terms of wins, quality wins, and competition. What’s the deal?
Also, I think Peterson is just about the worst choice we could make. He has no ties to our recruiting grounds. All of his contacts are on the West Coast. Two big thumbs down. Not only that, his team plays on artificial turf—-BLUE artificial turf…anyone that is okay with that has no business at PSU. He might as well wear a visor.
This.
Also, if we’re going to go with somebody who’s going to piss off everybody by having a connection to the program, the far safer choice is Bradley himself.
by M1EK on Dec 9, 2011 10:19 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I am going to agree with M1EK here, Not sure if I am feeling right
I think that the “COST” of getting Golden out of his deal with Miami will such a large amount that when it becomes disclosed to the public there will be outrage that PSU says they are not putting football 1st, yet they spend millions just to get a coach. And that would be millions before the annual salary.
If all other factors are subtracted from the equation and you are looking at Bradley vs Golden, Bradley is the easy choice.
If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris
by carolinaeasy on Dec 9, 2011 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
Well part of it is that Schiano's stock is down right now, Golden's is up
Part of it is that I didn’t always realize how awful Rutgers was historically. That puts things in a different perspective and makes me warm towards Schiano more. Schiano also benefited from having Ray Rice. Golden, to my knowledge, never had a player of that caliber at Temple. But I could easily flip Golden and James Franklin. My opinion of Franklin is admittedly based on very little information but everything I have seen, I have liked.
That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.
by Nittany_Ryan on Dec 9, 2011 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
And as for Peterson
I believe he is the best coach in the country. That is enough for me.
That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.
by Nittany_Ryan on Dec 9, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
He should be the #1 target in this whole thing.
And he should say no about eighty times before we move onto someone else.
by Chris Grovich on Dec 9, 2011 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
Yes. This.
I, for one, plan to continue my life long contempt for the powers that be and I fully expect to be disappointed with whatever choice is made. ~PSUgirl
So is the Petersen Coaching search article coming soon?
I completely agree. I keep reading these posts (and I think they are great), I keep thinking, this guy wouldn’t be bad….but I’d rather have Petersen.
The process of selecting the next article in that series has been weird.
We don’t want to totally waste our time writing one, and there wasn’t any indication that Petersen would be a part of this. Apparently, though, he was one of Ira Lubert’s main targets in this whole thing.
So, maybe over the weekend or early next week.
by Chris Grovich on Dec 9, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
If you are taking requests
I’d like to see one on Franklin. I know least about him and therefore and quite intrigued.
That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.
by Nittany_Ryan on Dec 9, 2011 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
Apparently one needs to be written for JayPa
I, for one, plan to continue my life long contempt for the powers that be and I fully expect to be disappointed with whatever choice is made. ~PSUgirl
Based on length it would have to go in the Fanshots.
"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
by SubLime on Dec 9, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
To be fair, it's not like Ray Rice just appeared out of thin air at Rutgers.
Schiano found him and recruited him. Golden’s a great recruiter, and maybe he would’ve gotten that player had he stuck around at Temple, but Schiano DID stick around at Rutgers and found a special player to take it from miserable wretch of a program, to mediocre, to relatively consistent.
It’s interesting to see people’s reactions to Franklin as opposed to Shaw. For what it’s worth, they have the exact same amount of head coaching experience and Shaw put together offenses that were phenomenal at Stanford.
@JPosnanski - I saw a girl crying tonight. When I asked why she said: "Because everybody lost."
#OccupyESPN
by Adam Collyer on Dec 9, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
Franklin has more ties to the East Coast from his time at Maryland
I’m willing to forego program and/or regional ties for someone like Peterson, but not for Shaw. Just my opinion.
That is a good point about Schiano. I am coming around to him.
That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.
by Nittany_Ryan on Dec 9, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
I can understand that. I vastly prefer Petersen over Shaw or Franklin.
Honestly, I think most of these guys could be successful here assuming that they had the full support of the administration.
Also, we should start recruiting Canada harder, right? :)
@JPosnanski - I saw a girl crying tonight. When I asked why she said: "Because everybody lost."
#OccupyESPN
by Adam Collyer on Dec 9, 2011 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
Huffnagel would lock down everything north of the 49th parallel
Everyone is high on the Samoan players right now, but those Inuit are some tough mo’ fo’s
That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.
by Nittany_Ryan on Dec 9, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
Realistically, I just think we need some guys who were trained in the Hart Family Dungeon in Calgary.
@JPosnanski - I saw a girl crying tonight. When I asked why she said: "Because everybody lost."
#OccupyESPN
by Adam Collyer on Dec 9, 2011 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
I want to see Devon Still put Case Keenum in the Sharp Shooter
That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.
by Nittany_Ryan on Dec 9, 2011 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
did you see the picture Keenum tweeted last night?
he is standing next to Still and looks wee
"I've seen over 200 episodes of Law & Order and it's paying off big time!"
Not on the Twitter
That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.
by Nittany_Ryan on Dec 9, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
Bernard Pierce
very well could be that player
Reporter: Can you give us a touchdown celebration, one that you would get penalized for?
Moye: I play at Penn State. I don’t celebrate.
Not PSU related but a jab at scUM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=VZNG802zfZ4
May no act.................
There are a bunch of good Pure Michigan spoofs.
Thanks for distracting me even more from my work :)
by BNittsDeMilo on Dec 9, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
I hope everyone is prepared to be disappointed.
1. PSU can’t spend huge dollars on this hire or they will be accused of putting football before academics, which our president just got done saying he won’t do.
2. PSU “can’t” hire anyone with ties to the program for the same reason they probably won’t hire Scrap. The public perception will be that nothing has changed at PSU. Since “obviously” the football program is really to blame for what happened and with ESPN’s daily coverage of the coaching search, the PR situation is delicate. Our football program is the primary way by which our school enters the consciousness of most outside of PA and the administration would rather make a crappy football hire for a couple of years (which can be easily corrected) than continue to wrestle with bad press.
3. Most of the best coaching candidates are unlikely to be interested in a school that could potentially have the hammer dropped on them, so the job is significantly less desirable. This might be fine if #1 wasn’t also in play, but if people are going to take the risk, they’re going to want to be guaranteed some reward.
4. Many coaches, even under the best of circumstances, would be leery of taking over the program immediately after Joe who, whether you were ready for him to go or not, has been putting up winning seasons for a few years. The fanbase might just be a little unreasonable if performance is not at least maintained (especially since so many people have thought we’ve been under-performing given our resources). Just sayin’…
Maybe I just woke up on the wrong side of the bed, but I’m crossing 1-5 off of most people’s wishlists immediately. That 1-5 isn’t the same for everyone is what is most disappointing, because that means I’m crossing off a lot more than 5 coaches.
The first lesson we should've learned through this horror show is that Penn State should stop worrying about "public perception"
and worry about getting things right. If that means hiring Scrap, then they should do so. Find the best coach you can that will uphold the values that the alums hold dear. The rest takes care of itself.
You CANNOT win the news cycle. Penn State needs to stop trying. Take the long view. I’m not going to bring politics into this explicitly, but the best run campaign of the last 20 years was won by virtually ignoring mass media and the newscycle and paying attention to the feelings of people who were actually invested in the campaign. Take a cue, PSU.
@JPosnanski - I saw a girl crying tonight. When I asked why she said: "Because everybody lost."
#OccupyESPN
by Adam Collyer on Dec 9, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions 7 recs
This
That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.
by Nittany_Ryan on Dec 9, 2011 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
That's when I gave up on the mainstream media (including ESPN, in a lot of ways).
Watching debates and hearing commentators talk about who “won” or “lost,” then watching the snap polls taken afterwards that basically laughed in their faces.
Set a goal, formulate a plan, and stick to it. Divert when it’s obvious it’s not working, not when the media decides that it’s so. Too much reaction from Penn State due to concern over “the brand.” I’m not saying they shouldn’t be sensitive to that, but I am saying that they’re pushing the narrative in the wrong direction.
@JPosnanski - I saw a girl crying tonight. When I asked why she said: "Because everybody lost."
#OccupyESPN
by Adam Collyer on Dec 9, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
#ADAMCOLLYER4PSUSOMETHING
BOT?
"I've seen over 200 episodes of Law & Order and it's paying off big time!"
by letsgopsu on Dec 9, 2011 11:07 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I'll rec it for the compliment alone.
Sadly, I don’t think I’m qualified for the BOT just yet. Maybe in a few years if I’m lucky.
@JPosnanski - I saw a girl crying tonight. When I asked why she said: "Because everybody lost."
#OccupyESPN
by Adam Collyer on Dec 9, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
you said the word "plan"
I think that makes you more qualified that some of the current members already.
I'm on the Internet cause I'm an Internet thug.
#OccupyESPN
Follow @134Lounge
by skarocksoi on Dec 9, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
+1
Just because
If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris
by carolinaeasy on Dec 9, 2011 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
Hey guys, great news!
Check out MY list:
1) Andy Reid
2) Jim Tressel
3) Barry Switzer
4) Dave Wannstedt
5) John Cooper
I’ve got guys like Scrap, Peterson, Golden and Munchak further down, so it looks like they’re still in play. ;)
The depth of both my sadness and anger is unfathomable.
We (Still) Are...
by PSU_Buch on Dec 9, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I put 110% behind Golden
Don’t get me wrong, I love Scrap, but in my opinion Golden eeks out Scrap by the most minute measuring tool because of what he did at Temple. I mean for crying out loud, he turned a terrible doormat into the fancy wreath on a door
For the glory
Something that's bugged me over the last year or so, especially more so after this year.
People talk about the next coach coming in and “Waking up a sleeping giant.”
We’ve averaged over 9 wins a season since 2005. In that same span, we’ve had three 11 win seasons, two BCS bowl appearances, a pair of conference titles (and damn close to one this year), many, many draft picks, and were a last second field goal off a shitty PI call from playing for the MNC in 08. We have a shot to win 10 games still this year.
I can’t help but feel it’s it’s kind of completely and utterly reasonable to just be happy duplicating our success. Yeah, our games might not be “pretty”, but damn you can’t really argue we’ve done all that poorly for ourselves in the last seven years. I think far more likely, is our coaching staff found the point of diminishing returns, realized they refused to recruit like the SEC, and got the players they could without “Playing the game.”
I honestly don’t think we’re going to turn into a 33 game winning streak juggernaut just by bringing in Peterson or Mullen, or anyone. We’ve averaged 9.5 wins a year since 2005. Hell going all the way back to 2001, we’re still putting up 8.8 wins a year. If someone can come in and just keep the status quo, I think we should all be pretty happy.
"This is being a Penn State fan. We’ll prove it, or we won’t. It’s not about proving it to them, it’s about proving to ourselves."
by mvrck on Dec 9, 2011 10:56 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Not a commentary, just adding context.
Conference records:
Year Penn State
2011 6-2
2010 4-4
2009 6-2
2008 7-1
2007 4-4
2006 5-3
2005 7-1
2004 2-6
2003 1-7
2002 5-3
2001 4-4
2000 4-4
1999 5-3
1998 5-3
1997 6-2
1996 6-2
1995 5-3
1994 8-0
1993 6-2
by Chris Grovich on Dec 9, 2011 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
8 out of 19 years finished 6-2 or better. 13 out of 19 finished 5-3 or better.
Not sure what that says. Would be interesting to compare with OSU and Michigan during that time frame, just to judge the traditional powers.
@JPosnanski - I saw a girl crying tonight. When I asked why she said: "Because everybody lost."
#OccupyESPN
by Adam Collyer on Dec 9, 2011 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
On it.
Not including 2011, because they’re not in Chris Stassen’s database yet.
Here’s the link. Play with the years in the URL if you want to change time periods.
Ohio State 0.788
Michigan 0.674
Penn State 0.625
Iowa 0.524
Michigan State 0.490
Purdue 0.462
Northwestern 0.431
Illinois 0.344
Minnesota 0.319
Indiana 0.236
by Chris Grovich on Dec 9, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
We have averaged around 3 conference losses a year since joining the Big Ten
If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris
by carolinaeasy on Dec 9, 2011 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
It was *exactly* a 5-3 average until this year is factored in.
by Chris Grovich on Dec 9, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
Also, we're the only Big Ten program to not have a below .500 conference record since 2005
by Chris Grovich on Dec 9, 2011 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
Wow, that's kind of amazing.
@JPosnanski - I saw a girl crying tonight. When I asked why she said: "Because everybody lost."
#OccupyESPN
by Adam Collyer on Dec 9, 2011 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
Iowa and Wisconsin each only have one.
Everyone else has two or more.
"This is being a Penn State fan. We’ll prove it, or we won’t. It’s not about proving it to them, it’s about proving to ourselves."
OSU has been under .500 in conference twice since 2005?
@JPosnanski - I saw a girl crying tonight. When I asked why she said: "Because everybody lost."
#OccupyESPN
by Adam Collyer on Dec 9, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
someone missed that
they went 7-1 every year, except the year they went 8-0…could give them one sub .500 record from the vacated wins last year, though
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
Ah, that could make sense.
@JPosnanski - I saw a girl crying tonight. When I asked why she said: "Because everybody lost."
#OccupyESPN
by Adam Collyer on Dec 9, 2011 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
This year.
And the vacated last year is what I was implying.
"This is being a Penn State fan. We’ll prove it, or we won’t. It’s not about proving it to them, it’s about proving to ourselves."
wow
1-7 followed by a 2-6
I never thought I’d see that. It still shocks me to this day. You know, it really is amazing that we were able to recover from that and get back to where we were. Even if where we were is not where we’d like to be (#OMGMNCGAMEEVERYOTHERYEAR).
"my dad says Michigan used to be good"
by hbeach08 on Dec 9, 2011 11:46 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Every Other?
pretty low bar
A pandemic of cowardice sweeps the nation.
by WorldBFat on Dec 9, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
We need 3 out of 4 at least.
"This is being a Penn State fan. We’ll prove it, or we won’t. It’s not about proving it to them, it’s about proving to ourselves."
If the new coach doesn't retire with at least 14 MNCs I will consider it a total disaster
And they better be blowout wins, too
That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.
by Nittany_Ryan on Dec 9, 2011 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
Well, every other coach is not hbeach08.
Hbeach084PSUHC!!!!
Tom Bradley for PSU Head Coach!
Follow @Paige2PSU
no thanks
high school maybe, but not college
but as always….the support is appreciated
"my dad says Michigan used to be good"
How about the BoT then?
"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
wearing a suit, stacking cash, and otherwise not doing much?
HELL TO THE MUTHA PHUQUING YES!!!
"my dad says Michigan used to be good"
We'll run together, brosef.
Yeah, that’s the ticket!
“A football player and a blogger walk into a Trustee meeting….”
@JPosnanski - I saw a girl crying tonight. When I asked why she said: "Because everybody lost."
#OccupyESPN
Then it's done.
I’m voting for you and Franco. Just think, you’ll be able to one day tell your young daughter that you had the opportunity to clear holes for an NFL Hall of Fame running back. You don’t have to tell her that they were a-holes.
I want to see some of these fat cats on their asses.
"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
by SubLime on Dec 9, 2011 5:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Haha nice.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
Should've hazed those freshmen a bit harder, hbeach.
by Chris Grovich on Dec 9, 2011 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
You know, I've been thinking through this whole coaching search
that the BoT really needs to STEP UP.
Yeah, I went there.
I'm on the Internet cause I'm an Internet thug.
#OccupyESPN
Follow @134Lounge
by skarocksoi on Dec 9, 2011 11:28 AM EST reply actions 10 recs
President Lackey as well
I, for one, plan to continue my life long contempt for the powers that be and I fully expect to be disappointed with whatever choice is made. ~PSUgirl
by jman07 on Dec 9, 2011 11:45 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Let's keep those Rec's coming, people.
The depth of both my sadness and anger is unfathomable.
We (Still) Are...
Feldman
Writes today maybe they should pursue Mario Cristobal. Very clueless on him.
For shits and giggles I sent my resume in
For real.
If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris
by carolinaeasy on Dec 9, 2011 2:06 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
You've got my vote
Never seen you coach a game, but from your contributions to BSD in the past and the detailed knowledge of X/O’s you’ve displayed in comments I’m in.
When can you meet President Lackey at the Corner Room?
It takes courage to stand behind someone you believe in when it’s this bad outside. It takes courage to stand up for a man in peril, even if he stood up for you. - JoePo on JoePa
I look forward to placing this rejection letter right next to the one from Harvard
If I had to choose today between the moral integrity and character of Joe Paterno and the politicians and commentators criticizing him, I would pick Joe Paterno, hands down, no contest every time. - Franco Harris
Awesome!
How great would it be? Then we would get to see who you really are! Or is your real name Carolinaeasy?
"I've seen over 200 episodes of Law & Order and it's paying off big time!"
Comments For This Post Are Closed
Secondary Sidebar
User Tools
Related FanPosts on Black Shoe Diaries
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
Recommended FanPosts
Recent FanPosts
SHOP THE BLACK SHOE DIARIES STORE
