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by Chris Grovich on Dec 9, 2011 12:00 PM EST
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TIME TO LAWYER UP, KIDS.
Denied. ESPN filed a Right To Know request with the Pennsylvania Office of Open Records, to obtain Penn State's files regarding the 1998 investigation of Jerry Sandusky. The request was denied.
Ruling on a request filed by ESPN, the agency says the university is not a state agency and thus is exempt from most provisions of the state Right-to-Know Law. It says the university is required only to release certain financial records.
No word on whether ESPN will file an appeal. Check out the PA Office of Open Records site here, if you wish.
Halcyon Days. In case you missed it yesterday, Ben Jones takes us back to kindergarten in 1994, when he was a guest in the home of Jerry Sandusky.
Once our permission slips were signed, we made the short walk to the Sanduskys' house. Jerry and his wife, Dottie, welcomed us in and we made our way to their basement, where cookies and milk were laid out for us to eat. After we ate our food, Jerry talked to us about football, we watched a little film from the last game and then we headed back to the school.
As I have covered this story, I can’t help but think back to that day. It is the fact that even in retrospect Jerry seemed like a normal person. A friendly guy who was just happy to share his knowledge of the game he loved. And yet, as I have read the grand-jury report over and over, I realize that it is entirely likely that I also know at least one of the victims.
Ben also spoke to us on the BSD podcast shortly after the story broke, and shared a little bit about that day at the Sandusky residence (listen here, at the 48:00 mark).
Casting A Wide Net. Also from StateCollege.com, one source indicates that the search committee is combing the NFL for potential coaching candidates.
In its quest to find the next Penn State head football coach, the six-person search committee has held two interviews and has not ruled out hiring a coach with NFL ties, a source said.
The pool of potential candidates that has expressed interest in the job is vast, said the source, who wished to remain anonymous because of the sensitivity of the subject. One of the interviews was with quarterbacks coach Jay Paterno, the son of former coach Joe Paterno, who was fired on Nov. 9 in the wake of the Jerry Sandusky child sex abuse scandal.
Interim coach Tom Bradley is expected to be interviewed this week but has not yet done so as of Wednesday.
Oh, About That. Bradley expects to interview with Dave Joyner next week.
Asked if Paterno's replacement had to have head-coaching experience, Joyner said, "Doesn't have to be. Certainly head-coaching experience is a strong thing to consider, but head coaches had to be assistant coaches somewhere."
Some critics have said the next coach should have not have university ties given the scandal.
"It's certainly not a negative," Joyner said. "They understand our process ... They understand what Penn State's all about."
Co-defensive coordinators Larry Johnson (defensive line) and Ron Vanderlinden (linebackers) could also be candidates if Penn State stayed in-house. But the other assistants are loyal to Bradley, who has also earned added respect among players for his handling of the team through the crisis.
Jerry Sandusky In The House! As you know, he was released on bail yesterday, with help from a $50,000 certified check signed by his wife and a realty bond on his State College home. He's under house arrest and electronic monitoring, in case he gets any funny ideas.
Say It With Me: Quinnipiac. Fun, Right? The public opinion pollsters at the little Connecticut university looked at the people's reaction to the firings at Penn State. The findings? In favor of Joe Paterno's firing by a margin of 52% to 43%. Graham Spanier was not treated as kindly: 74% to 13%. Also of interest, 67% said that it would be a bad idea for PSU to turn down a bowl bid.
And, Good News. Calls to Child Line, a state-run hotline for child abuse, doubled in the week after the Sandusky case became a national obsession. The hotline received over 4,800 calls between November 7 and November 11.
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Jay Paterno
There is no way I want him back as HC or an assistant and that has nothing to do with the scandal, he is just a bad coach pure and simple.
Devil's advocate
Mike Robinson, Darryl Clark, and Matt McGloin all made pretty significant progress in their passing abilities, no? The flip side of course is Anthony Morelli and Rob Bolden.
Out of the QBs you've mentioned
Robinson and Clark probably progressed the most. But I would argue that McGloin actually took a step back this year. To me, Jay has not shown enough to keep the QB coaches job, let alone be offered the HC position. I think that would be one of the worst hires ever if he becomes our HC.
McGloin took a step back???
I don’t understand this statement in the least. He showed much better presence, and much less recklessness with the ball. His pocket presence was much better and spread the ball around better. What steps back did he take?
His legacy is US. The legacy of the young men who he took from a variety of backgrounds, races, religions, economic circumstances and set on a right path, and that's the legacy. WE ARE... the legacy, not his 409 wins and certainly not this incident." -Jimmy Cefalo
Disagree.
At best he was been up and down this year. Did you see the Wisconsin game? Overall, he still looked hesitant and indecisive and there were many more passes that could have been intercepted. He constantly throws behind recievers and misses them. I will agree that there have been many drops by the receivers, but he just hasn’t improved. That is all on Jay.
Jay has been here for quite some time and our QB’s are at best “middle of the pack good” compared to other top flight Division 1 programs, he has had enough time to try to prove himself, he hasn’t so he has to go.
To add to what I posted.
I am not saying that McGloin can’t get better, I just don’t think Jay Paterno can help the young man be a good QB at the Division 1 level.
I'm not seeing what you are.
He definitely isn’t a top flight QB this year but he is miles better than last year. I have no problem with you not liking Jay, but McGloin’s development doesn’t fit your arguement.
His legacy is US. The legacy of the young men who he took from a variety of backgrounds, races, religions, economic circumstances and set on a right path, and that's the legacy. WE ARE... the legacy, not his 409 wins and certainly not this incident." -Jimmy Cefalo
Yea
McGloin still isn’t a great QB but to say he took steps back or didn’t improve at all is not true.
I, for one, plan to continue my life long contempt for the powers that be and I fully expect to be disappointed with whatever choice is made. ~PSUgirl
BMAN & JMAN, look at the stats..
And before I list them, I would like to say that he can get better with a better coach, we’ve seen such turnarounds before in College Football. There is no doubt that Galen Hall, Jay Paterno and the ridiculous QB carousel they employed this year hurt his development (when he should have been the starter). It really adds to my conspiracy theory, but I won’t get into that one here.
But you guys have to look closely, everything was down from last year. His YPC (Yards Per Completion), YPA (Yards Per Attempt), Completion Percentage (even though he had more attempts this year than last) and efficiency rating were all down. Now, some of that can be blamed on bad pass blocking, receivers dropping the ball etc. He did throw fewer interceptions (but also fewer touchdowns with more attempts than last year), so he most defiintely didn’t improve. The fewer interceptions may indicate some growth (I’ll give you that) but not much.
Jay Paterno at best helped him improve a tiny bit, but mostly he retarded his development.
That's assuming
the McGloin has a high ceiling to begin with.
I don't know about a "high" ceiling.
But with what we saw last year, I think he has a chance to be decent. I just think he was hurt by Jay and the other coaches this year…
Yeah
I’m probably the last guy to compliment McGloin and even I admit he has been far better this season than last.
Look at what I posted above
All of his stats were down, I just disagree, I don’t think he improved much at all.
I read what you posted
but, I don’t agree. I think he looked a lot better than last year.
I'm confused.
Did he take a step back or not “improve much at all”? These are two different statements. Which is it??
Regardless, this is silly. I’m no McGloin fan, but there is no doubt he was a better qb this year. Is he a good qb? Absolutely not. But he is better than last year.
I bought some of what Jman and Bman were saying...
Because of the lower amount of interceptions. I gave them that, but I saw 9 games this year and went to two and saw him play a’plenty. I just don’t think he improved much at all. Just my opinion.
Ok, cool.
I agree he didn’t improve by leaps and bounds. But he did improve. But I will say his improvement wasn’t nearly enough.
The sad fact is the qb position for PSU is very bad right now. The only real hope is that Jones blows them out of the water next year, but even then PSU will be playing what amounts to a rookie qb.
First I want to thank you
for rekindling the old fires of ire that had been all but doused by tears and shame.
Paterno era quarterbacks are/were overcoached – no matter who was serving as position coach. You could actually see it – in progress – a kid would come off the bench (say, Zach Mills) and have a break out performance. This was not to be tolerated. You would watch JP on the sideline talking, non-stop into Mills’ ear – and then boom, next possession – interception – it was like you could see the wheels turning.
I submit that, until the 4th quarter of the 2005 Northwestern game – MRob was the same. Thinking about it – too much. At 4th & 15 it was like he shook off the mantle and said – listen, we’re going to win. MRob and Clark were also extremely intelligent and hard working kids who evolved into great leaders – more than great qbs.
So no – I do not see JP or JVP’s coaching of PSU’s qbs as being progress – of any measure – on the field anyway.
I just call'em, like I see'em!
And I will admit when I’m wrong, but I am not wrong about this. Nor am I wrong about McGloin’s ability to improve with a better QB coach!
You're not wrong about
Jay not being the world’s greatest QB coach. He isn’t the worst either. We will agree to disagree over him from last year to this season though.
I, for one, plan to continue my life long contempt for the powers that be and I fully expect to be disappointed with whatever choice is made. ~PSUgirl
That statement really wasn't directed at you
more of just a general statement (personal opinion). I never thought he was as much at fault as people wanted to give him blame (credit?) for. Although, what has happened to Bolden has made me wonder. Clearly, somebody has completely destroyed the kid.
I, for one, plan to continue my life long contempt for the powers that be and I fully expect to be disappointed with whatever choice is made. ~PSUgirl
No worries, I didn't take it that way, and I agree with your last two sentences.
Yeah, the question is was it all Jay? All Galen Hall? Some of JoePA? or all three mixed together? or just Jay and Galen?? Who knows.
I still maintain that out of the two, he has the most talent. That only takes you so far. When he transfers it will be interesting to see how he does under another set of coaches.
I'm not sure he'll transfer
it all depends on who the coach is. Also, can he be rebuilt? That’s a big question.
I, for one, plan to continue my life long contempt for the powers that be and I fully expect to be disappointed with whatever choice is made. ~PSUgirl
Like the Six Million Dollar Man...
Sorry, showing my age…YES, I think they can rebuild him. It isn’t too late. He still has two years of eligibility right?
Yes, he's a true Soph
I, for one, plan to continue my life long contempt for the powers that be and I fully expect to be disappointed with whatever choice is made. ~PSUgirl
I think what destroyed Bolden
were defensive coordinators and their film study. Until he learns to read and react to a blitz, he’s going to continue to implode. Whether that’s on him or the coaching, I don’t know, but it’s clearly his fatal flaw.
But don't you think a good offensive coaching staff and good QB coach
Helps him develop that ability? It seems to me the coaching staff gave up on Boldin.
And I’m not defending his play, he has been horrible, but I think out of the two he could be a lot better (which is highly doubtful now).
He needs a psychiatrist more than a coach.
The kid’s psyche is shot. The best qb coach in the world can’t fix that.
I hope the new coaching staff helps him rebuild his psyche...
Especially after the old offensive staff destroyed it…
this is the crux for me
i’m not saying that the kids didn’t do great jobs – I think they did – and I was a big fan of Mills (always will be) – and yeah – they could have done worse – but it is the un-utilized potential that has haunted me over the years – you know that so many of them could/would have been better. But then, how many times have you looked at a PSU player (especially on offense) and thought – at another school, that kid…
But they wanted to go to Penn State, they bought into the Paterno program of no names and rotating everything – seniors play at all costs and yes, you have to go to class. That’s what we all bought into as well – I guess we’ll just have to wait and see what the future brings.
Agree with everything you said.
I think the offensive coaching staff has been stuck in an idealogical rut for quite some time (at least since the early 2000s). They broke free briefly during that time (2005, 2008 & 2009), but I think that was more because the players grew rather than the coaching.
I think the coaches became too comfortable and just resisted change. Yes, I think it is that simple
Seniors play at all cost
Yeah, I get that he liked seniors when applicable, but there is plenty of fresh/sophs who came in and played when they had the talent. I think that, like the Jay Paterno is responsible for everything that has ever been bad about a PSU qb argument are a little stale.
Not blaming Jay Paterno for everything....
Just sayin’ he’s not a good QB coach, but while we are on the subject, I also think he is probably just a bad offensive coach as well. I think the fact that we are a Division 1 football program and haven’t had great QBs since he’s been here says a lot. Don’t get me wrong, we’ve had some good ones that have already been mentioned, but they were never great.
Does anybody want him as PSU’s next HC? And has he done enough to earn the position? I don’t think so. Again, this would be a terrible hire for the program.
I would take him over half the candidates discussed.
"This is being a Penn State fan. We’ll prove it, or we won’t. It’s not about proving it to them, it’s about proving to ourselves."
Wow.
Don’t know about that. He had his chance to impress as the QB coach and hasn’t. He is part of the reason why PSU’s offense has stagnated to such a horrid level.
He really just needs to go away. If this scandal did not develop, and anybody deserved to be terminated after this season it was him and Galen Hall. Although, they probably would have all been gone after this season anyway.
I take issue with this
I’m really tired of people backing their arguments by saying when QB A (in this case Mrob struggles), it’s because of coaching or in this case over coaching. Then when QB A succeeds it’s because they did it on their own.
Do you not see the faultiness of that logic. Also have you heard the expression of putting a player in a position to succeed.
In response to your responses of my responses....
I didn’t always say that was the case, but I think there is proof of kids getting better with the right coaches in college. Of course, they have to work at it as well, but the coaching staff has to be willing and supportive. If they just give up, like they did on Boldin it isn’t going to work.
Look at QB’s in college that really had success and improved after a year, like Cam Newton, Brandon Wheedan (Oklahoma State), the kid from Boise State, etc. They continued to get better because they worked at it and had coaches who were committed to improving those kids and making them better. I don’t think you can say that for Jay Paterno or the rest of the offensive coaching staff with McGloin and Boldin.
Out of the two, it seems as if McGloin is at least trying really hard to improve, where is the coaching? Boldin on the other hand, I have to admit, is at this point an enigma.
But I think they’ve proven they haven’t given up on kids. I mean Clark and Robinson are proof of that if nothing else.
Also should be noted all the guys you mentioned are seniors while Bolden is a sophomore. I don’t think they’ve given up on Bolden. Honestly I think constantly throwing him out there was the worst thing for him, his confidence was shot. Kid needs to take a red shirt year, where he can focus on his game and talents without taking a beating each week. Which will help get his head back into. Will he develop into a top QB maybe, maybe not. But way to early to write him off.
I'm not writing Boldin off either....
I just think the previous coaching staff did, however, I’m sure whomever is on the new staff will get him headed in the right direction.
My Bad...
I tend to make that mistake quite a bit. See, if he’d just play better…I’d get his name right!! That should be motivation enough…
It's wishful thinking that we could
recruit a receiver like Anquan Boldin.
"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
by SubLime on Dec 9, 2011 5:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'll take a carload of Jimmy Cefalos right damn now.
"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
by SubLime on Dec 9, 2011 6:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I appreciate your opinion
I have mine. And, as a PSU fan, there was nothing logical about the 05 team.
Michael Robinson stayed at Penn State when most kids would have transferred (or tried to) – his combination of tenacity, intelligence, loyalty and faith are (imo) unparalleled. He had strength, toughness and grit – but he wasn’t infallible – in fact I was very skeptical about his taking the starting qb job in 2005. I’m not a coach, or a player or a statistician – but I have watched a lot of football – some kids can take the constant critique and instruction, others flounder, some think they know best – it’s those who can take it all in, assess the situation and make decisions who will excel. It’s when they stop thinking and just do.
I stand by my opinion that MRob took that team on his shoulders and lead them through the 2005 season – I also believe that the coaches recognized this and adjusted – a lot of things changed in and around 05.
My entire life I have wanted Penn State to be the best – and to me they always will be – but no one will ever convince me that we’ve had the best qb coaching -
by PSUgirl on Dec 9, 2011 5:52 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Guess this shows it isn't such a bad job after all
The pool of potential candidates that has expressed interest in the job is vast
I, for one, plan to continue my life long contempt for the powers that be and I fully expect to be disappointed with whatever choice is made. ~PSUgirl
Those trolls at ESPN...
Tried to make you, the average citizen, believe that it was. How can it ever be a bad gig though, especially with the support the football program gets from the university, students, community, etc.
Hell, if I were qualified, I’d take it…f%ck ESPN and the media!!
by OLDLIONofNYC on Dec 9, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not talking about ESPN
or anybody else in the media. I’m talking about people in our own community who swear nobody would be interested in the job.
I, for one, plan to continue my life long contempt for the powers that be and I fully expect to be disappointed with whatever choice is made. ~PSUgirl
Really?
Surprised by that statement. I had heard a lot from ESPN, CNNSI, CBSSPORTS.COM writers that many coaches wouldn’t want the HC position here right after the scandal. I haven’t heard much about those in the PSU community saying that.
I would say that they are being misguided by those outside the community. I think most people who are interviewing for the position would welcome the challenge of bringing a top tier Division 1 football program back to prominence, and that person could say for all time that he was the person who did that. It’s a no-brainer to me, I understand that some coaches (like Meyer and some others) would want to avoid PSU after the scandal, but to most it would present a golden opportunity.
by OLDLIONofNYC on Dec 9, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
I've seen the list!
1. Rick Neuheisel
2. Richard Neuheisel
3. R. Gerald Neuheisel
4. Rick Neuheisel Jr.
5. Rip Neuheisel
6. Dick Neuheisel
7. Richie Neuheisel
8. Neu Rickheisel
A pandemic of cowardice sweeps the nation.
by WorldBFat on Dec 9, 2011 12:16 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
UGH!
I hope not, he will be putting the program under NCAA sanctions within a few years, AND he’s a REALLY BAD coach
by OLDLIONofNYC on Dec 9, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
I read this and can only envision "The Last Supper at The Corner Room"
"In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."
#OccupyESPN
That should really happen.
I’d pay for this if someone is a painter.
A pandemic of cowardice sweeps the nation.
You should use the sarcasm font when you are serious
Also, I would pay money to have this hang in (or be painted on the walls of) my office.
Someone needs to paint this and the BSD store can sell prints.
A pandemic of cowardice sweeps the nation.
YAIS
We also need one sort of like that poster of the diner with Marilyn Monroe, Elvis, Bogey and James Dean. We could put Urban Meyer, Al Golden, Greg Schiano, and any others all in the Corner Room for lunch,.
Tom Bradley for PSU Head Coach!
Follow @Paige2PSU
Put them at Baby's and you've got something
I was just thinking about that poster (Nighthawks, I believe)
LOL!
There we go. Now someone just needs to paint it!
Tom Bradley for PSU Head Coach!
Follow @Paige2PSU
This is brilliant.
I saw a girl crying tonight. When I asked why she said: "Because everybody lost."
Black Shoe Diaries
@runthedive
Ben Jones' story is interesting...
I know that one of the issues I’ve dealt with through this entire thing is my guilt over feeling relief. As I previously mentioned, I was once in a situation that was extremely uncomfortable and this scandal reminded me of that. How close I may or may not have been to being abused is only speculative. However, I admit that I have felt relief that I didn’t suffer at the hands of an abuser and I’ve felt guilty for feeling that relief.
I can’t help but wonder how all of the kids that were around Sandusky and avoided his monstrous acts feel about the situation. While the children abused need complete and full support, without question, I would hope that Penn State could provide some resources for those that weren’t physically abused, but were within the “sphere of abuse” that exists around child molesters.
isn't there a chance JS didn't do the things he is accused of?
I wouldn’t let my grandsons around him right now, but there is still a chance this is not true.
His legacy is US. The legacy of the young men who he took from a variety of backgrounds, races, religions, economic circumstances and set on a right path, and that's the legacy. WE ARE... the legacy, not his 409 wins and certainly not this incident." -Jimmy Cefalo
by BMAN13 on Dec 9, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Barring a conspiracy of unbelievable scale...
..it’s very hard to imagine an innocent scenario here. You don’t just accidentally get accused of this sort of thing.
by Kasey Fairchild on Dec 9, 2011 8:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sure.
If he could answer a question like “Are you sexually attracted to young boys?” with something other than “Am I sexually attracted to young boys?”
by Chris Grovich on Dec 10, 2011 8:06 AM EST up reply actions
Anytime you repeat the question
Your lying and surfing for an answer.
Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose - Janis Joplin
Can we file a Right to Know against ESPN
For the Syracuse Incident
For the Red Sox incident
For the giving a known prostitute murderer a job?
Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose - Janis Joplin
by AriesGD on Dec 9, 2011 12:27 PM EST reply actions 14 recs
They're hookers when they're dead
Also, it still is alledged. Although he still has’t denied the rumors.
Whittle your whiskey around like blazes, t'underin' Jaysus, do ye think I'm dead?
Ahh true...hookers when dead
Where are my manners?
Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose - Janis Joplin
“Oh my god, you killed a hooker!”
“Callgirl! She was a callgirl!”
“No Cyril, when they’re dead, they’re just hookers!”
That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.
by Nittany_Ryan on Dec 9, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I love Archer
And in this case…so relevant!!
Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose - Janis Joplin
Joyner's comment Re ties to the program is encouraging
That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.
The whole courtesy interview for Jay is perplexing
A courtesy to who, exactly? The head coach that was just unceremoniously fired and that everyone supposedly hates? Or is the committee just trolling us here?
That which we are, WE ARE...PENN STATE.
Forever.
by Nittany_Ryan on Dec 9, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
You are right, doesn't make any sense
And considering the PR disaster that may ensue if he was actually hired (which won’t happen), I’m just as perplexed as you are. Besides, as I will keep on harping, he is not a good coach. There are more qualified candidates. AND the whole nepotism thing in football has always bothered me anyway…that’s just a personal thought.
by OLDLIONofNYC on Dec 9, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
Courtesy interviews in general puzzle me.
Not only why give them, but why take them? Wouldn’t you feel just a little silly and at least a little used knowing going into the interview that you were only being interviewed because apparently they feel sorry for you? I wouldn’t go. Yep, that’s right….even I, the guy who eats retirement cake for people I don’t even know, has more pride than that.
Gives Jay practice in interviewing for a top job.
Why not give your current coaches the courtesy of that.
His legacy is US. The legacy of the young men who he took from a variety of backgrounds, races, religions, economic circumstances and set on a right path, and that's the legacy. WE ARE... the legacy, not his 409 wins and certainly not this incident." -Jimmy Cefalo
Despite the fact that I think he's a bad coach...
Yes, it’ the right thing to give your current coaches that courtesy. So, good point.
He better say that
considering that he has ties to the program.
"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
Of course ESPN's Right To Know request was turned down.
Everybody knows that the omnipotent Joe Paterno has to approve all RTK requests in the state of PA.
by J Breezy on Dec 9, 2011 12:46 PM EST reply actions 8 recs
the forcefield remains intact
carry on people
"my dad says Michigan used to be good"
by hbeach08 on Dec 9, 2011 1:16 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Now you're just being uncivil.
Run.
by Bob Sacamano on Dec 9, 2011 1:27 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Personal Attack!
What the hell just happened?
by Pete the Streak on Dec 9, 2011 2:16 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I needed a chauffeur license way back in the late 70s
and I had to submit a letter from Joe.
"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
J Breezy...
rum and coke through the nostrils truly is uncomfortable.
by BNittsDeMilo on Dec 10, 2011 12:54 AM EST up reply actions
Of course ESPN's request was turned down
Do you think the Syracuse city police would give them the report from their investigation? Do you think ANY police department would give a news and entertainment investigation any of their non public records into investigations? Hell no. Its a slam dunk. The UPPD is just like them asking for investigation information from the Harrisburg PD, not going to happen.
His legacy is US. The legacy of the young men who he took from a variety of backgrounds, races, religions, economic circumstances and set on a right path, and that's the legacy. WE ARE... the legacy, not his 409 wins and certainly not this incident." -Jimmy Cefalo
If what we have gone through
In the end leads to less children being molested through things like the Child Line and RAINN, then our pain has been worth it.
by psu on Dec 9, 2011 1:03 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
this I agree with.
I know I am personally more aware of what to do if I suspect or if I saw something I didn’t like or thought was fishy.
His legacy is US. The legacy of the young men who he took from a variety of backgrounds, races, religions, economic circumstances and set on a right path, and that's the legacy. WE ARE... the legacy, not his 409 wins and certainly not this incident." -Jimmy Cefalo
I realize there's all kinds of basements in the American household
but generally, bringing kids not of your own down to your basement is creepy.
At least Michael Jackson kept them upstairs.
I think.
What the hell just happened?
by Pete the Streak on Dec 9, 2011 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
I do find it very interesting
that people were up in arms to defend MJ against those “rumors” yet JS is immediately guilty along with everybody else at PSU for a cover-up.
I, for one, plan to continue my life long contempt for the powers that be and I fully expect to be disappointed with whatever choice is made. ~PSUgirl
There were real credibility issues with the accusers in the Michael Jackson saga.
There also weren’t nearly as many as there were here.
@JPosnanski - I saw a girl crying tonight. When I asked why she said: "Because everybody lost."
#OccupyESPN
This is true
Just seems like if JS could sing, he might get more benefit of the doubt. I’m only half joking.
I, for one, plan to continue my life long contempt for the powers that be and I fully expect to be disappointed with whatever choice is made. ~PSUgirl
"The hotline received over 4,800 calls between November 7 and November 11."
2,400 of them were from the Sandusky household in what might be described as a huge misunderstanding of the name “Calls to Child Line”.
I keed, I keed.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
by MainLion on Dec 9, 2011 2:27 PM EST reply actions 8 recs
"Mr. Sandusky, I don't think this call line is what you think it is"
I, for one, plan to continue my life long contempt for the powers that be and I fully expect to be disappointed with whatever choice is made. ~PSUgirl
by jman07 on Dec 9, 2011 2:30 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
"No, sir, no one here likes horseplay"
by PSU Mudder on Dec 9, 2011 3:09 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
"Thank you, but no, no one's back is in need of cracking."
I’ll tell you why. Because we’re talking about Joe Freaking Paterno here.
-Jitterbug
by leeharvey418 on Dec 9, 2011 3:12 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
"Like I told you last week, we're just fine with our current soap supplier"
"my dad says Michigan used to be good"
by hbeach08 on Dec 9, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
"....." "all I hear is hard breathing...Jerry is that you again?"
Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose - Janis Joplin
My daughter goes to Quinnipiac.
She is taking this whole thing very hard. I’m happy she wasn’t in Happy Valley when this broke.
Yay; we're arguing QBs again
by lion in winter on Dec 9, 2011 4:37 PM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Yay, we're arguing QBs and JayPa again
Let the healing begin!
by lion in winter on Dec 9, 2011 4:38 PM EST via mobile reply actions 2 recs
In other news the university has ended sales of Paterno items.
Reportedly this is a mutual decision between the school and the “Paterno camp”. Not sure if this is really worthy of being reported and instead it’s just more piling on by the media or not.
Penn State University has ordered vendors holding licenses for products depicting former football coach Joe Paterno’s name or likeness to sell those products within 60 days after which they must be pulled from store shelves.
Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11343/1195773-100.stm#ixzz1g4oNDq9v
Time to stock up for Christmas!
"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
Let me know who has them
My little stand up Joe needs replacing
Why is Tim Curley still employed by the University?
Your grammar needs fixed:
My little stand up Joe needsreplacingreplaced.
I’ll tell you why. Because we’re talking about Joe Freaking Paterno here.
-Jitterbug
by leeharvey418 on Dec 9, 2011 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
needs replacing
Sounds solidly Western PA to me. I talk that way. I have probably said it both ways.
The verb “to be” is way overrated.
"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
"Needs replacing" is grammatically correct and not W. Pa.
“Needs replaced” would be solidly W. Pa.
by J Breezy on Dec 10, 2011 8:28 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah . . .
You are correct. I got confused. Do you suppose alcohol might be a factor? At the moment I think my brain needs replaced.
"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
Terrible.
JoePa should demand his name be taken off of the library and tell the university to give him back all he has donated over the years. The character assasination continues….
"Yo man, screw Joe Pa, I totally would've called the police"
So apparently 4,800 separate incidents of child abuse occurred in PA the week of November 7. Or the others are just as “guilty” as Joe was(n’t)
- BSD Bunnymaster (Thanks Paige)
- The only Adam on this blog who doesn't actually write for it.
by AdamShell on Dec 9, 2011 8:53 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
Succinct and on point.
"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
I've said a number of times...
the real tragedy here is that in everyone’s rush to judgment and outrage, the real tragedy is that no one is going to bother to learn the lessons that this situation can teach us and ensure that it won’t happen again.
Nobody can do anything to undo what Sandusky did.
The number of reports of abuse being up is about the only thing that makes me feel like maybe I am wrong that no one is learning.
I hope I am wrong…
by BNittsDeMilo on Dec 10, 2011 1:02 AM EST up reply actions
The outrage on websites over the tax payers "right to know" is entertaining...
in light of the fact that the state has continually turned it’s back on actually funding Penn State.
Let’s make a deal, Penn State will give the tax payers a percentage of information in line with the percentage of the budget actually funded by the state.
“Oh, Joe Paterno was fired…” – debt paid
Besides… are PSU’s financial records going to say, “Sandusky, a known pedophile, is going to continue to receive ridiculous amounts of state tax money to fund his basement carnival fun house so that we can buy his silence???????”
I say again.
?????
And of all organizations, ESPN has the balls to file a “right to know.” I have the right to know how many other tapes you have lying around that incriminate the hell out of people.
Go shit in a hat and punch it.
Id rather they scoop that hat into their mouth...
As opposed to all of the shit that comes out of their mouths.
"I’m not a lawyer, but I read a lot of BSD" - psuphysicist
Good points
I’m happy to find this board. It’s such a relief to find so many people talking sense on these issues.
I think PSU should provide more information to the public, but not because of the State’s paltry contribution. It just makes sense to let tuition-payers and donors know how the money is spent. Otherwise many of them will assume the university is hiding some nefarious secret when they probably aren’t. More disclosure would just cool off a lot of the negativity.
Sooner or later, they should also be forthcoming with information about what they knew about the 1998 and 2002 incidents alleged in the grand jury report. I don’t care if ESPN or The Patriot News knows what happened, but as citizens, we need to know if the police and district attorney did what they were supposed to and we can’t know without more details.
As for Jaypa…he’s a good guy and he’s done some good things to innovate the offense, but he hasn’t been able to develop any great passing QBs. That’s not all his fault, but PSU could benefit from the services of a real QB guru.
I’m not sure what Galen Hall does – he dosent recruit and Jay seems to call the plays – and obviously our offensive line has been a problem for 15 years, so Anderson needs to be replaced.
College football limits the number of assistant coaches so balancing everyone’s roles is critical.
by reedjohnmiller on Dec 11, 2011 2:52 PM EST via mobile reply actions
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