Penn State Falls To Temple 64-66
Like every kid growing up in the '80s, I loved going to the mall arcade. My mom would give me a couple of bucks while she went shopping, and my brother and I would race off to play some Spy Hunter and Pac Man. I remember putting my dollars in the machine and getting a fist full of tokens thinking I was in for an afternoon of entertainment. I would pump a token into a machine, and thirty seconds later it was gone. So I'd play another machine. And then another machine. And before I knew it my tokens were gone, and by the estimation of my Casio watch I had burned a total of nine minutes.
That's kind of how I feel right about now. Is it really over? What happened?
Penn State just couldn't replicate their miracle run through the Big Ten Tournament. The fact that they were without Jeff Brooks for three quarters of the game was a killer. Brooks headed to the bench midway through the first half with two fouls. Then just seconds into the second half he dislocated the same shoulder he dislocated earlier in the year while trying to block a shot. It was a sad way to end his day, his tournament experience, and his Penn State career.
Talor Battle led the team with 23 points and played his heart out. Temple focused their entire defense on denying him the ball and forcing him to give it up when he got it. And yet he kept scoring. When PSU was down 64-61 in the final minute, Battle came up with a huge three pointer from deep range to tie the game with 14 seconds to go. How fitting that Talor Battle's last shot in a Penn State uniform was a huge one. How sad that it just wasn't enough.
Temple's focus on Battle created opportunities for Tim Frazier and David Jackson. Jackson finished with 14 points including two crucial three-pointers to keep the Lions in the game. Frazier was successful in getting to the basket and scoring. He finished the day with 15 points to go with 4 rebounds and 6 assists. I'm glad he's coming back next season to run the offense, because he has really blossomed into a good all-around player.
For Temple, Juan Fernandez and Ramone Moore were amazing combining for 46 of Temple's 66 points. Fernandez hit the winning shot ducking under Tim Frazier and hitting a leaning jumper from just inside the arc.
It was a great season, and a great career for the four seniors. I wish they could have extended it another game or two, but it wasn't meant to be. They had their ups and downs, and we all shared in their misery and their success. Though Penn State's run through the 2011 NCAA Basketball Tournament was not a memorable one, their contributions that were essential in lifting the Penn State basketball program from the depths of dispare to what it is today will never be forgotten.
Thanks for the memories, guys. You are Penn State.
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Satisfied
I’ll take making NCAA’s over the NIT any day of the week. The excitement that went on the past 4 days was incredible. The fan base was excited and fired up for Penn State hoops. I’m going to miss that.
Now we have to turn our attention to the spring football soap opera of Rob Bolden’s will he/won’t he BS.
+1 For the Spy Hunter reference...
Entertaining season. Frustrating as hell at times, but hopefully this is a small step towards something greater.
Selling my Big Ten Championship rings since 2005....
@ArtieFufkin10
Does anyone else remember the arm wrestling game, or just me?
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Mar 17, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I remember
Selling my Big Ten Championship rings since 2005....
@ArtieFufkin10
by Artiefufkin10 on Mar 17, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I haven't seen it in probably 15 years, but yeah I remember it
I remember cheating playing it and basically pulling the arm down with both hands on the arm lever.
Great post, Mike. Tough loss, but couldn't be more proud.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
I'm just heartbroken for the seniors
I think a healthy Jeff Brooks in the 2nd half makes at least 3 points of a difference. I can’t fault anyone today for playing badly or lack of effort. Moore and Fernandez hit shots, and Fernandez hit the last one. In retrospect, I almost wish we had sent them to the line for a 1-and-1 with 10 seconds left, and had a good shot at the end. I almost wish I could point a finger and say “well, if so-and-so hadn’t sucked today…” I’m just so bummed for these guys. Frazier has come SO far this year – I’m excited to see him in charge out there next year.
I'm cautiously optimistic on Frazier.
Jones looked great in the NIT a few years ago too. Looked like he had turned a corner.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Mar 17, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Frazier has been consistently pretty good since early February.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
I agree and I love him.
300 jump shots a day from him from now until November oughta do it.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Mar 17, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
He's got no balls with his jumpshot
He had a few open 3s today and dribbled into traffic or just passed instead. I don’t want him to ever haul off like Talor Battle, but I’d like to see him take the shots when he has them.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
The foul in a tie game down the stretch is big in Europe
They really value having the last shot. And it does make some sense, but its a tough call either way.
WE'RE DANCIN!!!
I continue to question why we don't get more foul shots
And that really has nothing to do with how we play. Battle missed a layup with about 4-5 minutes left where he was clearly hacked and… no call. I don’t remember if it was DJ or Jones, but one of them got “blocked,” and it was identical to a play less than a minute earlier on the other end. Temple got FTs, we didn’t. This has gone on for years, and it’s decided many of our games.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
It's because we've had about one good big man in five years, and he was 6'4".
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by Run Up The Score on Mar 17, 2011 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
But he was listed as 6'6!
Less defensible than Maserati Mo.
by ReadingRambler on Mar 17, 2011 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but Frazier and Battle were fouled several times with no calls.
Blatant fouls
And not to continue my ranting on the refs, because it was a VERY close call, but the replay showed the Temple kid lifting his pivot foot before shooting. That’s a travel. No shot. Our ball.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
I saw that too.
Blown calls suck, they really do. But, unforunately, they’re built into college basketball. The best we can do is hope the refs watch the games again, realize their stupid mistakes, feel absolutely horrible and send personalized notes of apology to every player and coach associated with Penn State basketball.
"I just wanted to thank you for everything you've done for this university." "Oh, I haven't done enough." - Joe Paterno.
Haha right
And that will happen right around the time Santa and the Easter Bunny have a few brews and talk about the week.
It's even possible that Jim Tressel drinks out of the toilet
Probably.
But it’s still more realistic than hoping for a magical world where basketball refs to their jobs particularly well. You win either because or despite them.
"I just wanted to thank you for everything you've done for this university." "Oh, I haven't done enough." - Joe Paterno.
Next year could be tough
But there is no reason this program can’t be back in the dance in 2 years. It would help if Mr Buie decides to stick around, though.
I read something yesterday where Battle said he doesn't expect him back
I think
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
Congrats to the seniors
A NIT title and an invite to the Big Dance on their resume – great job persevering through some tough seasons. Proud of them for their effort today. Temple was a tough out, and Moore & Fernandez played great. Team played their heart out, and I couldn’t ask for more much more than that.
by Tailgate Shogun on Mar 17, 2011 5:08 PM EDT reply actions
They've had some terrible luck.
And for Brooks to go out like that… just sucks for all the seniors.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
That was probably the hardest part of the game.
I can take the loss, but Brooks deserved to play in his last game as a Nittany Lion.
"I just wanted to thank you for everything you've done for this university." "Oh, I haven't done enough." - Joe Paterno.
Completely agree, TS
I’m proud of this team. They acquitted themselves very well, and proved they belonged in the tournament.
Let's Go State!
by Gopher Broke on Mar 17, 2011 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
very selfish comment here
but I just wanted one more day. one more day…
"Life is no way to treat an animal"
Well, I mean, it could be worse
Less defensible than Maserati Mo.
by ReadingRambler on Mar 17, 2011 5:16 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
We always lose to Temple.
We have no more right to be suprised than they did last September. It was a great game. Whatever. We’ll get them next year. Or in five years.
Racism, cannibalism, I leave those things to the suits in Washington. I’m just here to eat a dude.
"We"?
You’re a Pitter, boy!
Less defensible than Maserati Mo.
by ReadingRambler on Mar 17, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey I tried.
Intellectually I know Penn State beat Temple at some point. I honestly have no memory of it. And my memory doesn’t suck.
Racism, cannibalism, I leave those things to the suits in Washington. I’m just here to eat a dude.
That's the perfect analogy.
I knew where you were going after I read the first sentence. Great post Mike – it made me feel a bit less nauseated.
Good luck Talor et al.
Go Lions !! if
by Illegal Formation on Mar 17, 2011 5:17 PM EDT reply actions
It didn't look like it to me
But I was reading comments on ESPN and people complaining about a possible travel on Fernandez on the last shot. Did anyone else think that he traveled?
Those people are going through one of the stages of grief.
Denial, I guess. I wish them the best.
Go Lions !! if
by Illegal Formation on Mar 17, 2011 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't notice it, but I'll check the DVR when I get home.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Mar 17, 2011 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think it was a travel
But I thought it was probably their 10th choice for the kind of look they wanted to get at the buzzer. But Fernandez executed and put it through.
That said, Jeff Brooks was less invisible than Lavoy Allen in the second half, despite being injured. People don’t appreciate Drew Jones D sometimes, but he took a very good player out of the game, and contained him on the boards.
Shut up, Fugi!
Less defensible than Maserati Mo.
by ReadingRambler on Mar 17, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Not a chance.
Less defensible than Maserati Mo.
by ReadingRambler on Mar 17, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I just posted this above.
Watch the replay. It’s close, but he clearly traveled.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
Brooks was the difference
Tough, tough loss. After the injury, the guys really came together and almost made up his offensive contribution, but couldn’t quite do it.
Battle
I jhope he gets a chance from some NBA team. He will most likely not be drafted, so lets hope the NBA doesn’t lockout and he misses his chance at making a team through summer ball.
I'm sure I am biased,
but there is no way there are 60 better college basketball players. He should get drafted. I haven’t really seen anything saying one way or the other though.
WE'RE DANCIN!!!
Unfortunately, guts doesn't get you drafted.
“Length” and “athleticism” does.
Battle will find a home when people put him on the court. He’ll be a great guy to have come off the bench in the league.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Mar 17, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
He's clearly a top 60 college player
But his particular skill set doesn’t match what NBA teams are looking for better than 60 other players. If only you could put his heart and game inside his brother’s body.
True
Not 60 better college players, but probabaly in scouts minds 60 better NBA prospects. I still think he could contribute in the league
Well, that was a little disappointing.
But they’re great guys and they’ve made all sorts of statements this year. I screamed when Talor hit that shot with .11 to go.
"I just wanted to thank you for everything you've done for this university." "Oh, I haven't done enough." - Joe Paterno.
Buh Bye Dechilllis
I loved this Senior class and appreciate the NIT Championship (witnessed it in person) and the NCAA birth this year, bravo. At the same time I feel like we’re doomed to repeat the sins of 01 when we gave Dunn another year as a result of a tournament bid, before cutting him loose. The sickest feeling I had was when Fernandez hit that shout today and I knew it would be another 10 years before I could see another tournament game with Nittany Lions participating. Dechillis needs to go and they need to look outside the program for a quality coach who can recruit on a consistent basis. 1 NCAA tournament every 9-10 years is weak. Curley needs to kick Bon Jovi out of the BJC, send Dechillis packing and get behind a top shelf coach.
PS. Best thing that could happen for Battle is he doesn’t get drafted so he can pick the best team to fit his skill set, 2nd round draft picks contracts aren’t guaranteed so they only have downside.
Jeez, it took more than two hours for this.
Less defensible than Maserati Mo.
by ReadingRambler on Mar 17, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Good point on Battle
I didn’t know that they weren’t guaranteed.
Not saying you’re wrong about DeChellis, but his last 2 recruiting classes give cause for optimism where Dunn left the cupboard very bare.
Shariff Chambliss, Jamal Tate, and...........
sadness.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Mar 17, 2011 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I totally forgot about DeForrest Riley-Smith. Didn't he end up transferring too?
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Mar 17, 2011 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Did you miss the part where they didn't call Steve Lavin back?
Adam
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by Adam Bittner on Mar 17, 2011 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Lavin
I watched St. Johns/Duke game with a Duke fan and the announcers commented on Lavin wanting the Penn State job and getting no call back, at which point my friend (Duke Fan) turned and laughed at me. I had no comeback
i.e. recruits: I must claim ignorance in terms of who we have for recruits. Who is left in our cupboard now, as far as I can tell our team went 5.5 deep the last 3 weeks of the season. Frazier, 4 seniors and the .5 being Oliver’s 5 fouls/Marshall’s occasionally slashing to the basket.
I think...
…everyone, save for AdamShell, is in agreement that Ed is not the guy who’s going to turn the program into a consistent NCAA tournament team. That said, the Steve Lavin situation should show you why it’s not as simple as saying “He’s not getting it done” and moving on to someone else. Penn State doesn’t operate in the rational as far as wins and losses are concerned. it operates in the rational as far as $$$ is concerned. “Someone else” will not be Steve Lavin if Ed is fired or the “top shelf coach” you covet. He’ll be a cheaper Ed DeChellis with eight less years experience coaching a Big Ten squad and a mediocre resume at some mid-major. Just keep that in mind.
As far as next year’s squad goes, click here and scroll down to the second topic.
Adam
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by Adam Bittner on Mar 17, 2011 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
What realistically is the goal for PSU basketball?
I don’t think it is unreasonable for the team to make the NCAAs every 3 years, with one of those other two being an NIT team. There are only a few teams that are consistently in the NCAAs every year, but I think PSU doesn’t have to drop off the face of the earth after this season. I think this season buys Ed at least two more years to see if he can build off of this year. I feel Ed did a great job in the face of a lack of depth due to injuries, suspensions, and transfers.
I’ve been in the Ed Camp all season…and when things were not going to good in the OOC, especially after the Maine loss…I wanted to see how the team would react to being embarrassed and counted oout and they responded very well. They took more of an approach to shorten the game and play to their strengths and at least some of that has to be attributed to Ed. People may also forget that Ed is the person that brought Talor Battle to State College as well.
The only thing I wish he would change is his rigid rule of leaving somebody out the entire first half when they get two fouls. Sometimes you have to change your stance based on limited personnel.
Great season guys! Congrats on accomplishing your goal of making the NCAAs.
by mundyscorner99 on Mar 17, 2011 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
That "rule" of his is stupid
The entire game changed when he took Brooks out. I was yelling at the TV. Sometimes you have to trust your players.
It's even possible that Jim Tressel drinks out of the toilet
HUH?
Very disappointing ending. Ed did not give our team the chance to win. 14 sec left in a tie game do you put the ball in the hands of the opponent and hope he misses and go to OT, OR foul them, put them on the line with a 1&1 then most likely we get the last shot. I’ll take my chances with the latter at least then we have the ball in our hands.
by bluebellgolfer on Mar 17, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
This is utter insanity.
You do not just assume you can’t make a stop. That’s just silly. I’m sorry for sounding harsh, but no coach would last long in college basketball if he used a thought process like that.
Less defensible than Maserati Mo.
by ReadingRambler on Mar 17, 2011 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He would be hired immediately in Europe.
This theory is the accepted theory in Euro-Ball
WE'RE DANCIN!!!
Rec'd
Especially given the way the game was being called.
Adam
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by Adam Bittner on Mar 17, 2011 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
The risk is too much.
Essentially spotting an opponent 1/2 points and hoping to make what should be a low percentage shot to win (assume competent defense) is a terrible idea. This, of course, assumes you don’t turn the ball over prior to executing a play during the possession.
The shot Temple hit was a tough shot. Low percentage, tough look. But, the kid’s a baller and made it look easy (even though it wasn’t).
HUH Again???
Have you watched any games coached by Pitino? I think he knows how to win. I want the last shot especially when we have no one with shot blocking ability on the floor. Sorry you don’t understand strategy. And yes I golf-very well I might add.
by bluebellgolfer on Mar 17, 2011 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
He really knew how to win today, didn't he?
Seriously, who picks for an example a guy who just lost to something called Morehead State?
Less defensible than Maserati Mo.
by ReadingRambler on Mar 17, 2011 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
It's not the first time Pitino has been undone by Morehead.
by MainLion on Mar 17, 2011 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
True, too true.
Less defensible than Maserati Mo.
by ReadingRambler on Mar 17, 2011 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
This joke will never get old.
Adam
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by Adam Bittner on Mar 17, 2011 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, don't be so uppity
Less defensible than Maserati Mo.
by ReadingRambler on Mar 17, 2011 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, and friendo?
He doesn’t understand your strategy.
Less defensible than Maserati Mo.
by ReadingRambler on Mar 17, 2011 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Did Pitino forego "strategy" today?
Or was it his strategy to give up the three just so he had last shot with three seconds left?
/facepalm
I understand the strategy of not losing.
And if you have the ball for the last shot, there’s a good shot you’re losing. The only way to no lose is to not be losing and to choose to be losing is a losing argument.
Adam
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by Adam Bittner on Mar 17, 2011 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
OK, how does the outcome change?
I like the chance we have with the ball in the hands of Battle, Frazier, or Jackson rather than in the hands of Temple. As it ended we had no chance other than a tie if Temple misses. I’ll take my chances with the ball in my hands. Period.
by bluebellgolfer on Mar 17, 2011 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll take my chances with the defense that held Wisconsin to 33 points
…and keep it out of the hands of the offense that only scored 36.
Adam
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by Adam Bittner on Mar 17, 2011 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed, fugi
100% the right call by DeChellis not to foul. Just because it didn’t work out doesn’t mean it was the wrong call. A coach would be crazy to deliberately put the other team on the foul line in the last few seconds in a tie game. Bat-shit crazy. Our defense has been pretty good all season. You absolutely have to trust your defense in that situation.
Let's Go State!
by Gopher Broke on Mar 17, 2011 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Your boy Pitino
sure had himself a good day didn’t he? That was brilliant of him to foul the shooter instead of letting him hit that game winning 3…oh wait…
It's even possible that Jim Tressel drinks out of the toilet
This is why you golf,
and don’t play basketball.
Go Lions !! if
by Illegal Formation on Mar 17, 2011 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I disagree
Fouling in that situation gives Temple a ~70% chance (with an average FT shooter) of taking the lead, where trying for a stop only gives Temple a 40-50% chance of taking the lead. Ed had faith in his defense, and I agree with his choice to not foul.
/FACEPALM.....Here we go again
It took all of two hours for this bullsh*t to start. First, DeChellis can’t get us into the Tourney, he should be fired. Then, Ed gets us to the tourney but doesn’t get us a win because of a last second shot of a tie game, so he should be fired.
The logic with you guys is IMPECCABLE.
by dawsonPSU10 on Mar 17, 2011 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh well
There’s always next year (or decade). DeChellis has done a fine job, and he has brought in another group of good recruits for next year. It’s a shame these guys couldn’t get a win, but honestly with Andrew Jones being on the court for as much as he was, I’m surprised it was even close. Good riddance to that guy. It’ll be nice to have some new big men in the recruiting class next year that maybe can actually contribute and not look spastic.
I think you're being a little hard on Jones.
No, he never developed into much offensively, but he was the heart of the interior defense that proved to the the team’s only consistent strength all year. Does Penn State hold Wisconsin and Michigan State under 50 points and get those wins without him? I seriously doubt it.
Adam
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by Adam Bittner on Mar 17, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
you're right on D
but Jones is also good for a few turnovers a game. And given his relatively limited touches on O, those 2-3 turnovers (they may not be recorded, but not catching a pass or rebound in your hands is a turnover) are backbreakers.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
Where was Lavoy Allen all day?
That’s why Jones does.
by OctaShields on Mar 18, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
What are we firing Ed for this time?
The injury to Brooks?
Apparently.
I think DeChellis is actually a pretty decent coach As decent as we’ll manage to get in State College, anyway, given the level of commitment to the program from our AD. He’s done a good job recruiting the last few years (again, especially for PSU basketball), and he’s done a pretty good job in the Big Ten lately. What’s killed Ed’s teams lately is a lack of depth. He’s been able to build a decent 5-man roster, but because of injuries, defections, or suspensions, there just hasn’t been solid depth.
Let's Go State!
by Gopher Broke on Mar 17, 2011 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
More than happy at this point to give DeChellis two more years or so.
He’s had some success and now he’ll get a chance to build on it by recruiting. If it doesn’t happen by Frazier’s senior year, it probably won’t. Next year we should expect rebuilding and getting the young guys a bunch of experience. But Frazier and Marshall should key the run with a bunch of sophomores in 2012-13.
You made me think of an interesting point about the roster. It’s been a slow build. We had virtually a no man roster, then a one-man band (Claxton), then added Cornley. This season we were able to put 5 quality players on the floor with two or three guys who could see some limited minutes. That would’ve been 4 if Buie had been able to stay out of trouble and Ed had played Woodyard more. Just based on the trajectory of the past 8 years, you’ve gotta think that 2 seasons from now we’ll have 8-9 reasonable players. If not, then we know it’s time to move in a different direction.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Mar 17, 2011 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Over the past three MBB seasons, I think there are more than enough reasons to keep Ed:
First, 2008, NIT champions. People may scoff at, but I think they underestimate the importance that season had. We had very few tourney appearances, and ZERO championships. From that moment (and despite some STILL calling for DeChellis to be fired) we persevered, nearly lost, but willed ourselves through pain and near defeat to a title. An NIT title, sure, but to a program with basically no accolades other than the rare tourney appearance, and possibly some 1st team all-B1G players, we had nothing, and even then, that was just another banner to hang from the rafters. But the NIT changed that. There was so much heart on that team, they WANTED to show people they weren’t some program with a bunch of wannabes who couldn’t make it as a respectable team. They had something to prove that year, and 35 Buses from SC to NYC shows that they finally earned that respect they had been looking for finally. And I remind everyone, ED DECHELLIS IS THE ONLY PSU COACH IN PSU HISTORY TO GET ANY NATIONAL RECOGNITION IN ANY POST SEASON PLAY.
2009, with the loss of seasoned veterans Cornley, Morissey, and Pringle gone, PSU had HUGE holes to fill, so I think in the context I’m trying to frame here, DeChellis can be granted leniency for this year’s failures.
Now this season, we reached our first Big Ten Tourney championship game in school HISTORY after beating two teams we weren’t supposed to beat. And then the crown jewel: DeChellis and the team earn that spot they’ve been fighting for for so long and make it to the NCAA.
After years of intermittent NCAA appearances (only making it beyond the 2nd round twice: 1954 Final Four, and 2001 NCAA Sweet 16), we finally made it back after a 10 year lull. Unless I’m missing a major piece of information, The successes of the DeChellis coaching era have been in the past three/four years. I won’t deny that these successes coincide with Talor Battle playing, but Ed was the one to recruit him and to coach him, as well as the other players who helped shape this period of success. Battle will be a GIGANTIC loss next year, including the other seniors. I don’t expect to do well at all, but, and I’ll freely admit I know very little about statistical trends, DeChellis’ successes have picked up.
So obviously I completely agree, two more years of Ed won’t only be fine with me, I think it should actually be a good thing.
by dawsonPSU10 on Mar 18, 2011 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I loved the NIT games. I was there live for both at MSG. But I don't understand what this means...
And I remind everyone, ED DECHELLIS IS THE ONLY PSU COACH IN PSU HISTORY TO GET ANY NATIONAL RECOGNITION IN ANY POST SEASON PLAY.
I mean, yes, but so what? By this definition, it’s impossible for any coach to get any national recognition in postseason play outside winning the NCAA Tournament. That’s too high a standard. I’d argue that Jerry Dunn’s Sweet 16 performance is equally as nationally recognizable, if not moreso. The difference is that Dunn failed to capitalize on his good fortune. Ed did his job – he made the tournament with his recruits. Now he has to keep moving forward within the next 2 years.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Mar 18, 2011 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Slow build
That’s exactly what I was thinking of when I wrote that, but I just didn’t bother to spell it out. You wrote up my thoughts perfectly, though. And I think that’s the way Ed’s had to build the program, very slowly but steadily, because unless he scores a coup by getting a blue-chip recruit who then convinces other blue-chips to come to Penn State (like what Derrick Williams did for the football team coming into 2005), slow and steady’s the best he’ll be able to do. Incremental success gradually breeds more success, especially at non-basketball schools like Penn State. Making the NCAA and going down to the wire in an exciting game will help PSU in recruiting, I think, and from all accounts, next year’s class is quite promising. I think the future is reasonably bright, and that we’ll be back to the NCAA in 2-3 years.
Let's Go State!
by Gopher Broke on Mar 18, 2011 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Where the heck have you guys been all year?
John has a long moustache
Fugimaster24 is the better Adam.
No we’re firing him because of 1 tournament birth in 8 years (which i would attribute to Battle more than Dechellis)
I've submitted a request to BSD HR to fire you.
We appreciate your contributions, but feel that your commenting hasn’t lifted discourse to the next level. In your place we’ve selected Charlie Sheen’s twitter account.
by MainLion on Mar 17, 2011 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
This comment is...
winning.
Go Lions !! if
by Illegal Formation on Mar 17, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
This entire site
could be replaced by Charlie Sheen’s twitter account. I mean, I love BSD, but seriously…. CHARLIE SHEEN.
by Tailgate Shogun on Mar 17, 2011 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
It sounds like you may have the same prejudices as Charlie Sheen
You don’t like trolls, do you?
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
Looking ahead....
FYI that Holy Redeemer (24-4) vs. Lancaster Catholic (28-1) (AAA) is at Parkland High School, Allentown, PA tomorrow. Who cares? PSU’s big man to be does. Holy Redeemer defeated Philadelphia Electrical and Tech Charter 61-50, with Alexis scoring 26 against a decently talented Philadelphia-based squad.
It appears to be too early in the state playoffs to be broadcast on TV, however. PCN is too busy showing reruns of tours of factories that no longer exist.
Charles Barkley is still talking about us on TV.
I find this unbelieveable.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
That fat POS must have been wronged by JoePa in another life
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
(I assume he's still badmouthing us?)
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
Corrrrrect
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Mar 17, 2011 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
He's an SEC homer
And he wants to run for governor of Alabama. Of course he’s going to bash northern sports teams at every opportunity.
Let's Go State!
by Gopher Broke on Mar 17, 2011 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I know you're joking,
but not voting is what MAKES atrocities like this one happen.
by misdreavus79 on Mar 17, 2011 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
How do you even know?
I know it’s kind of a cheap shot, but I’m never completely confident I understood anything that comes out of his mouth. He has a pretty distinct way of speaking.
"I just wanted to thank you for everything you've done for this university." "Oh, I haven't done enough." - Joe Paterno.
The course looks good
at this point last year, people wondered if PSU basketball was on the right course. I suspect some will be the same way next year after what should be a rebuilding year. These people were and will be wrong.
ED has done nothing but improve this program and do it the right way. He’s not perfect: there have been losses to terrible Maine, Stony Brook, and South Carolina State teams. I hate the flex offense. But the truth of the matter is that there has been consistent, undeniable improvement and the improvement shows no signs of slowing down. I don’t know how long it will be before a 10 seed is considered a disappointment and the Final Four is an expectation, but I’ll say this: we’re getting there.
And when that time comes and PSU is the National Champion, ED needs to do one thing: make sure players like Talor Battle, Jeff Brooks, Jamelle Cornley, Geary Claxton, Travis Parker, Danny Morrissey and everyone else who stayed the course in his program, get rings. There aren’t words for how bad PSU was when DeChellis took over, and from Talor Battle to Steve Kirkpatrick, they were all a huge part of the building process.
I've got the brains. You've got the looks. Let's make lots of money.
Way optimistic
I don’t know how long it will be before a 10 seed is considered a disappointment and the Final Four is an expectation, but I’ll say this: we’re getting there.
And when that time comes and PSU is the National Champion…
I think the time is coming when every 5 years has us making the tournament twice, making the NIT twice (bubble team), and having a rebuilding year. I’d count it as a massive success if in one of those tournament years, we make the Sweet 16. There will never be expectations here to make the Final Four for a variety of institutional reasons.
I will agree though, that the first time we win a Big Ten title (regular season or tournament), all those guys deserve rings. Hell, we should get the 5 seniors rings right now as far as I’m concerned.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Mar 18, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
This season has definitely pulled me away from Team Watch and Pray
and placed me on Team Genuinely Optomistic. I really, really hope that the institution will change their tune if Penn State basketball makes more of a national impression. It’s really disheartening the way they treat basketball.
"I just wanted to thank you for everything you've done for this university." "Oh, I haven't done enough." - Joe Paterno.
I agree, but I think we're overplaying that hand a bit.
It’s not as bad as it’s been made out to be.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Mar 18, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
It's fun to overplay.
It just surprised me, honestly. It’s not absolutely horrible or unchangable, and I would be really shocked if it continued despite our hypothetical success in the future. But it’s disappointing. We pride ourselves on overall success in a variety of sports, the idea of downplaying basketball feels stupid. But it’s also much easier to blame the institution for what could’ve been than admit we’ve just got a really long way to go.
I think it may feel extra stupid to me just because of where I’m from, though. My male Pennsylvania native friends have told me repeatedly that in high school wrestling was cool and nonsense, and basketball was the sport for kids who couldn’t wrestle. At home basketball is the shiz, and wrestling is awkward grappling in tights. Different cultures, I guess.
"I just wanted to thank you for everything you've done for this university." "Oh, I haven't done enough." - Joe Paterno.
Totally different cultures.
My high school was a hoops school. A NJ state power that never sent kids to big D-1 schools but always exceeded expectations based on fundamentals. Our crowds were big, rowdy and creative. I love high school and college ball. In contrast, our football team was terrible and our wrestling team was mediocre at best. I watched college football and Penn State on TV, but it’s hard to grow up in NY/NJ and not have the most appreciation for hoops. That PSU turned me into such a rabid college football fan is a testament to program and the university.
You can’t beat the excitement of March. Penn State football will always be number 1 to me, but these were my guys and I don’t think anything could’ve been better than seeing the room erupt when their name was announced on CBS.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Mar 18, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
My experience was similar.
You played baseball, you played basketball, you ran track. We started following basketball in middle school— my cousins gave me a lot of crap because my nerdy middle school’s men’s team had a hellish season when I was in 7th grade, I justified it by pointing out that the school had only actually been in existance for three years and the program was really young (they suck less now). We never had football teams, and I honestly don’t know if we had wrestling teams. I always understood football and really enjoyed the tactical elements to it, but my hardcore love for it is entirely Penn State’s doing.
I watched that video at least 10 times, and screamed a little when I saw their names last Sunday. It really was a great week, losses aside. I hope we don’t forget what this felt like come next winter.
"I just wanted to thank you for everything you've done for this university." "Oh, I haven't done enough." - Joe Paterno.
Condolences
I watched the whole game yesterday and was rooting hard for the Lions. It was a great game, competitive and entertaining. It was right there, and I just wanted to puke twice: when Brooks left the game obviously not to return, and when that final shot went through. I’m feeling it for you guys not just because you’re B1G, but because you were fun to watch this year, Battle is an amazing fighter, and DeChellis is a pure class act.
Tonight's going to be a good night.
Always liked Sparty.
Your boys showed a ton of guts last night and your coach is one of the good guys. Class act. Some adversity might be a good thing. Izzo will work harder than ever to make sure that he doesn’t see a first round exit again. Tough season, but I think those are necessary every now and then. Good luck in the off-season.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Mar 18, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks!
We’ll be crying for Battle a year from now, but this is college sports. The fact that good things don’t last just makes it more special. Good luck in the off-season!
"I just wanted to thank you for everything you've done for this university." "Oh, I haven't done enough." - Joe Paterno.
Spartalytical
I like you Spartalytical. Thanks.

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