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Penn State Flattened By Jon Diebler, Ohio State

While Penn State's 82-61 loss at the hands of Ohio State Tuesday night was ugly at points, it followed a similar script from a defeat earlier this season. Most of the 15,403 at the Bryce Jordan Center probably don't remember it though. It's too bad, too, because maybe then they'd know how to deal with losing to a hot shooter.

Before the bright lights of Senior Night and the buzz that follows the No. 1 ranked team in the land, Penn State dropped an 84-71 non-televised decision at Ole Miss in late November. The Rebels, a far less talented team than the Buckeyes, racked up thirteen 3-pointers on the Nittany Lions, including six from guard Trevor Gaskins in what as otherwise a pretty respectable performance for Penn State.

Sometimes, the other guy just has a day.

It was true for Penn State then when no one bothered to care about the team three months ago, and it's true for it now in the heat of a desperate final push for the NCAA Tournament.The players just have to hope those defeats won't be the ones that keep them out of the NCAA Tournament.

Undoubtedly, there will be places on the Internet today where the Lions are ripped up and down for their performance, and in some cases, they certainly deserve criticism for allowing the Buckeye's Jon Diebler to shoot 10-12 from 3-point territory and for yielding 55.4% to Ohio State as a team.

Take it with a grain of salt, though.

This isn't football. You can't hit a guy in the mouth to stop him. You can't even give him a shove. You've just got to get a hand in his face and hope he isn't lethal enough to kill you from the arc. Unfortunately for Penn State, on Tuesday night, Diebler was, and it was blowout city from start to finish.

That's basketball.

Star-divide

The Good

  • Many whined before the game over Steve Kirkpatrick earning the start on Senior Night in place of Tim Frazier. Those critics should chew on Buckeye starter Dallas Lauderdale's two point, three rebound line before criticizing the decision to give Kirkpatrick, who finished with four points and a rebound in fewer minutes, a moment in the sun on his night. Anyone who's spent any time with this program knows how respected Kirkpatrick is within it, and after giving four years in the film room and mentoring young players, Kirkpatrick deserved every second of playing time he received from the coaching staff. The program will miss the production of the other four seniors. It'll miss a fantastic teammate in Steve Kirkpatrick. You're not going to hear that any where else in the media today, but it needs to be said.
  • The first half shooting was definitely terrible, coming in under 30%, but Penn State rebounded very nicely to finish at 49% for the evening. Sure, a lot of that was do to some lax defense by the Buckeyes after they'd built an insurmountable lead, but the game wasn't the out-and-out disaster offensively many will make it out to be. David Jackson, Andrew Jones and Talor Battle all finished in double figures.
  • Tim Frazier stopped a four-on-one at one point early in the second half, first tipping a pass backward, then taking a charge. On the other end, he tacked on a layup. Smart, heady and aware play. Frazier's decision making still has a long way to go offensively, and that was on display with his six turnovers, but if he keeps growing at this pace, he should be a pretty good player as an upperclassman. 
  • For a weeknight, the crowd of over 15,000 was pretty darned impressive. It was also loud until it was abundantly clear Penn State was completely out of it. This program has a lot of casual fans, and in many ways, that's as big a part of the problem as anything, but for one night, it was good to see everyone come together to rally behind a group of seniors that has given a lot to the program.

The Bad

  • After putting together five straight games of single digit turnovers, Penn State has now broken double figures twice in a row with their 13 against Ohio State Tuesday night. That can't happen on the Lions' home floor in such an important game.
  • Dallas Lauderdale. I mean really, is there a less efficient player in this conference? Maybe Billy Oliver, but at least when Oliver is bad, he's visibly bad. You could lose that 7-footer in a middle school chorus concert the way he plays at times. 
  • Penn State was pounded 31-22 on the glass, and though freshman Jared Sullinger was less than impressive scoring the basketball in this one, he made the Lions pay by grabbing 10 boards including four on the offensive end. Add Penn State's 13 turnovers to the 10 extra possession the Buckeyes got off offensive boards and you've lost 23 possessions (not counting Ohio State's 12 turnovers). You're not going to win many games with negatives that high in those departments.
  • Beyond Diebler, Ohio State was 3-12 from 3-point territory. The Buckeyes have a lot of shooters and to hold the rest of them to that number deserves a "yo." Unfortunately for the Lions, Diebler got free enough that even if he missed his contested triples, he still would have had a heck of a day. If Penn State is going to make a run in the season finale and at the Big Ten Tournament, they're going to have to guard everyone well outside to have a chance. 
  • Jeff Brooks just didn't have it. He had six points and five fouls on the evening and never really got involved. Penn State needs him more than just about anyone but Talor Battle to have success and he came up small. We have no idea what he's playing with, so it's not really fair to criticize, but his production was missed big time.

The Ugly

  • Penn State doesn't need a miracle to make the NCAA Tournament, but the grim reality of the matter now is that the Lions need to win their next three games, the season finale at Minnesota and the first two games of the Big Ten Tournament, to be breathing on Selection Sunday. The bubble bar has been lowered and lowered all season, but in all likelihood, it's not going lower than 18 overall wins. The margin for error is officially gone.
  • It seemed like every Ohio State player got louder boos from the fans than any Penn State players got cheers during introductions.
  • Losing on Senior Night sucks for the players and the fans. No one wanted this senior crew to go out the way it did. The good news is they'll likely have a chance for a more proper send-off in the NIT. Of course, none of them are going to want to hear that, but it's at least comforting for the fans that will be there to support them NCAA Tournament or no NCAA Tournament to know they'll get one last shot to see these guys go out winners.

Quotable


Ed DeChellis talks about the loss.


Penn State's David Jackson and Talor Battle speak of their disappointment in falling on their senior night.


Ohio State's Jon Diebler talks about his record night and Thad Matta likes the word "standpoint.

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I'm tired of the excuses

I was at the game last night. The BJC was packed, loud, and electric for a 9PM game on a Tuesday night. Location, lack of tradition, moving out of Rec Hall, etc. all hold no water for me. It’s about a lack of committment from the university/administration. Put a damn quality product out there. Just ridiculous. I’m 98% convinced that this is about Joe Paterno not wanting the basketball team to be successful because at this point there’s not logical explanation.

by speedomike on Mar 2, 2011 7:01 AM EST reply actions  

Um, no.

This is Jon Diebler having a night. It’s basketball. It happens.

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by Adam Bittner on Mar 2, 2011 7:43 AM EST up reply actions  

It's a match-up zone failing

If Diebler wasn’t getting open 3’s, OSU was grabbing offensive rebounds or Buford was hitting open shots. It was poor coaching. I’m not saying fire Ed, but it was horrible game-planning and you can’t look past that.

by STU Boy on Mar 2, 2011 7:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Thank you.

Saying “it’s basketball, it happens” ignores a hell of a lot.

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by Run Up The Score on Mar 2, 2011 8:04 AM EST up reply actions  

How many guys do you know that can hit 10-12 threes with no one guarding them?

Heck, turn on the NBA 3-point contest during all-star weekend. They never shoot at that rate. I’m not saying Penn State didn’t have some defensive collapses guarding the arc, but 10-12? There’s a large degree of luck to that. I’m not sure I could do that on a video game with “rookie” on.

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by Adam Bittner on Mar 2, 2011 8:09 AM EST up reply actions  

None of are arguing that

It was unreal. But with decent defense, he would not have not 10-12 3’s, because I would venture to guess that 6 of them were wide open. That zone was an utter failure, and I hope we never see it again.

by STU Boy on Mar 2, 2011 8:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Six?

I think it’s closer to 3-4. Like I said, even if he’d only hit the ones that were wide open, he’d have had a nice night, but the vast majority of that was him, not the Penn State defense.

They stopped Sullinger and David Lighty did nothing. If the game plan was to stop them and take their chances with the rest of them, I can respect that. I doubt anyone expected 50 points from Diebler and Buford.

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by Adam Bittner on Mar 2, 2011 8:15 AM EST up reply actions  

He's 6' 6"

so it’s not like Nowitzki or Durant is raining threes over little guys. If you can’t get a hand in his face consistently and, yes, knock him down once or twice, you’re not playing defense. Sorry, but the excuses are more lame than the effort.

by kijana's acl on Mar 2, 2011 8:42 AM EST up reply actions  

They did get a hang in his face

He got some open ones but so did Penn state. It happens. It’s not an excuse it’s reality. Dienler was just the better player last night.

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by Adam Bittner on Mar 2, 2011 8:50 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I reject your premise that there's nothing that can be done against a hot shooter

In the Big 10 and Big East basketball that I grew up watching, if anyone had a hot hand like that against a Jim Boeheim, John Thompson or Bob Knight team, they would have taken a shoulder to the chest at some point. It’s part of the game, just like throwing at a guy in baseball so that he doesn’t get too comfortable at the plate.

If there’s nothing that can be done, why have a coach at all? Just roll out the ball and let the players have at it, right?

by kijana's acl on Mar 2, 2011 9:57 AM EST up reply actions  

O hey

Not sure if you noticed yet but pay doesn’t have those kind of coaches or players and if Steve lavin has taught us anything never will. They dis what they could with what they’ve got.

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by Adam Bittner on Mar 2, 2011 10:06 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Good Lord.

IT’S DIVISION ONE BASKETBALL. Go play intramurals, brother.

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by Run Up The Score on Mar 2, 2011 10:18 AM EST up reply actions  

What? What? What?!?

Are you saying to only well-paid coaches and McDonald’s All-Americans understand that you should foul a hot shooter? That’s insane.

by kijana's acl on Mar 2, 2011 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Orange slices for everyone!

And I’m not saying that someone should’ve stuffed an elbow in Diebler’s grill, but you’ve underlined something important. PSU is soft, especially near the basket.

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by Run Up The Score on Mar 2, 2011 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah...

I’ll give ya that.

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by Adam Bittner on Mar 2, 2011 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Really, you have Bowman and Marshall who are both significantly bigger than Frazier and Bubby and they each have 5 fouls to give, let them give them. You don’t tell them beat the hell out of the guy but you say, son, that number so and so should not get an easy shot the rest of the night and he should feel contact after every pick.

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by BMAN13 on Mar 2, 2011 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

They did get a hang in his face

He got some open ones but so did Penn state. It happens. It’s not an excuse it’s reality. Dienler was just the better player last night.

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by Adam Bittner on Mar 2, 2011 8:51 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

This isn't just about last night

I’m actually not all that upset about the game. Ohio State is really good, played really well, and we didn’t play that great. Whatever.

As soon as I walked in the BJC-as excited as I was to see the crowd/atmosphere- I couldn’t help but shake my head. Imagine if we had a quality product on the floor.

by speedomike on Mar 2, 2011 8:10 AM EST up reply actions  

I understand

I just don’t think now is the time. In a couple of weeks, this will all be over and we can dissect it until the cows come home.

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by Adam Bittner on Mar 2, 2011 8:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Well

I’m commenting on what I witnessed last night and I think that’s relevant right now.

by speedomike on Mar 2, 2011 8:14 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

If that was really the case, then I would call basketball the dumbest, most overrated simple sport ever.

I mean, it’s already inferior to wrestling anyway, but…

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by ReadingRambler on Mar 2, 2011 8:56 AM EST up reply actions  

It is a simple sport

So what?

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by Adam Bittner on Mar 2, 2011 9:03 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

It's not that simple!

This is not Glenn Robinson we’re talking about, it’s Jon Diebler!

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by ReadingRambler on Mar 2, 2011 9:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Diebler’s the Big Ten’s all time leader in three pointers made; if anybody was going to break the single game record, who else would it be but him? He has a tendency to either be a huge part of the offense or get no looks at all. It’s not like you guys were playing atrocious defense, he just got some open looks and shot two deviations above his norm. With better defense, maybe he goes 6 of 8. Sometimes you just can’t do anything about shooting percentage.

Ann Arbor has loose morals.

by Semicorrect on Mar 2, 2011 10:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Ok, you know what?

I refuse to live in a world where a non-press team giving up 80 plus points is not bad defense.

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by ReadingRambler on Mar 2, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

I have played my entire life

And in college basketball, it is not simple. You are forced to watch lots of film and every pass is dissected. Every rotation on defense should be planned, hence why chemistry is more important in this sport than any other.

by STU Boy on Mar 2, 2011 9:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Well

I’ve played my whole life too and there’s a fine line between what works and what doesn’t. In that way I think it’s pretty simple to understand. Simple to execute tho? You’re probably right.

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by Adam Bittner on Mar 2, 2011 9:10 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Not to mention

they are ranked #1 for a reason

The situation is little different for Ed DeChellis. He's been given a ruler and a spoon and is expected to compete with guys who have full-on backhoes.

by bigs26 on Mar 2, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

You do realize OSU is the #1 team in the country

with only two losses on the year, right?

I’m not defending the administration, or the coaches, as it’s time for a change. Not arguing the BJC sucks, because it does. Not saying that there’s a lack of committment, because there is.

But to be mad that we didn’t beat the #1 team in the country? That’s a bit outlandish.

by Tailgate Shogun on Mar 2, 2011 8:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Noted.

So what does “lack of a quality product” mean if you’re not talking about the game? You mean the overall basketball operation? Because I agree with you there – the current model isn’t working unless you’re the accountant for the athletic department, and then it’s working just fine.

by Tailgate Shogun on Mar 2, 2011 8:14 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm not really that mad that we lost the game

I’m just mad that the people in charge don’t seem to see what PSU basketball could be.

by speedomike on Mar 2, 2011 8:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Got it.

Agreed. Basketball could be successful AND profitable, instead of just profitable.

by Tailgate Shogun on Mar 2, 2011 8:15 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm probably more mad

that we dropped two to Michigan, forcing ourselves into a position where we had to beat the #1 team in the country to stay alive for the tourney.

by PSU Mudder on Mar 2, 2011 8:35 AM EST up reply actions  

What to be mad about is that it wasn't even competitive.

A lot of us can’t really believe we were going to win, but to go out and lose by 20 or whatever it was and not have it close for 30 minutes of the game on our home court it unacceptable

by Slawsc on Mar 2, 2011 9:21 AM EST up reply actions  

JoePa was at

MSG for the NIT semi-finals and finals 2 years ago. He’s from Brooklyn. I think he likes basketball.

Administration, I’m laying this wounded duck of a program at your feet alone.

by psuwxman on Mar 2, 2011 7:10 AM EST reply actions  

I know I know

It’s definitely tinfoil hat stuff, but I’m just past the point of logical explanations.

by speedomike on Mar 2, 2011 8:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Seriously folks

If we have another “Fire Ed” thread after getting whacked by the No. 1 team in the country, I think my head is going to explode. Talk about the game.

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by Adam Bittner on Mar 2, 2011 7:46 AM EST reply actions  

I'll talk about the game

Was that not the worst zone defense you have ever seen a team play? Poorly executed, poorly coached, poor idea.

by STU Boy on Mar 2, 2011 7:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Really?

What’s the alternative? Sullinger’s stats don’t really reflect it, but he was playing a really effective game. We decided to play zone, and when we weren’t, we doubled Sullinger whenever he touched the ball. We forced the ball out of the post and out of his hands and to the perimeter shooters. Sullinger found the open man and made the pass. The shooters made shots. Should we have single-covered Sullinger? I’m of the opinion that you should take away the other team’s best option and force the other guys to make their shots, which is what Ed did. I think we’re forgetting that in the first meeting with OSU, Sullinger picked up two fairly early fouls and didn’t play a whole lot in the first half, which kept us in the game and allowed us to play straight up defense. I’m fine with the gameplan.

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by PSUtopia on Mar 2, 2011 8:21 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm sorry, I think it was indefensible

It was a match-up zone that failed, there’s no way around it. I know, zones are meant to help guard down-low, but that doesn’t mean you completely ignore the open guards. Watch the game again, and you will see players scrambling on the perimter trying to catch up to the ball, then open shot. It’s okay to let other guys try and beat you, but not when the other guys are shooters.

Sometimes in the match-up, we had Frazier or Jackson bodying up Sullinger (don’t believe me, just rewatch). So Jones/Brooks would have to slide down off their man to help shade just in case, then it started a deadly chain reaction of and-one passes that led to wide open looks. Ed is not John Chaney, so he should not try to coach his defense.

But some of you obviously saw a different game, so I made my point on the zone, and that’s all I will say about it.

by STU Boy on Mar 2, 2011 8:28 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

They didn't co

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by Adam Bittner on Mar 2, 2011 8:44 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Reply fail

I don’t think they completely ignored anything. They conceded some threes with the zone. Bfd. They’ve blown perimeter defense with man too. At least sullinger was slowed down. It’s defensible and frankly if they’d tried to play man on this team for 40 minutes it would have been suicide. Diebler just blew them up.

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by Adam Bittner on Mar 2, 2011 8:47 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I sweat this is my last comment

You know my stance, and I give up. But did you really just say “conceded some open threes with the zone?” Who does that in major college basketball? That is not even an option in high school ball.

by STU Boy on Mar 2, 2011 8:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Thank you.

One could argue, for instance, that Syracuse “concedes some open threes”, but those threes are only open by Battle standards.

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by ReadingRambler on Mar 2, 2011 8:58 AM EST up reply actions  

What?

What does “make them shoot us out of it” mean to you? Sure, with a guy like diebler it’s hard to see that working out but when you have sullinger in the post what are you going to do?

All I hear you doing is shooting holes in the defense for the defense. Youre not proposing alternatives and that’s probably because there are no good ones against a team that good.

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by Adam Bittner on Mar 2, 2011 9:01 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Are you just trying to be a contrarian?

Make them shoot out of it means hitting 25 footers that are contested. Not hitting open 20 footers that are wide open.

My alternative? PSU has played man all season, and well IMO. It has also led to them rebounding and a very high clip. Stick with that, double when necessary, and never, ever leave Diebler to help.

Happy?

by STU Boy on Mar 2, 2011 9:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Fair enough

That sounds like a recipe for sullingermania but it makes some sense

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by Adam Bittner on Mar 2, 2011 9:12 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

We put way too much emphasis on sullinger,

He is not that good. Man to man defense, double if he gets it going on the block. Jones and Brooks can contain him if the refs aren’t calling cheap fouls

The situation is little different for Ed DeChellis. He's been given a ruler and a spoon and is expected to compete with guys who have full-on backhoes.

by bigs26 on Mar 2, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Except Jones got two fouls playing zone

Probably would have happened quicker man-to-man. And let’s not forget the way the man blew up in their face against Sullinger in Columbus.

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by Adam Bittner on Mar 2, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Valid argument,

but look at OSU’s losses. The way to beat them is to stop everyone else, and try to contain Sullinger as much as possible. You can’t beat Ohio State if Diebler goes off (because Sullinger will always have a decent game), you can beat them if Sullinger goes off.

The situation is little different for Ed DeChellis. He's been given a ruler and a spoon and is expected to compete with guys who have full-on backhoes.

by bigs26 on Mar 2, 2011 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with you.

That is all.

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by ReadingRambler on Mar 2, 2011 8:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Ya

But they will when they wake up.

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by Adam Bittner on Mar 2, 2011 8:48 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Fire Place.

I like ‘em. They’re warm.

by MainLion on Mar 2, 2011 8:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Fire Escape.

Life savers.

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by PSUinBOSSton on Mar 2, 2011 9:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Fire Truck

Euphemistic baby-talk for the adult word of only four letters.

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by jtothep on Mar 2, 2011 9:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Fire in the hole...

kabooom!!

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by rahpsu92 on Mar 2, 2011 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Fire pit

marshmallow ovens.

The situation is little different for Ed DeChellis. He's been given a ruler and a spoon and is expected to compete with guys who have full-on backhoes.

by bigs26 on Mar 2, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Fire Brewed Strohs

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by BMAN13 on Mar 2, 2011 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

nice

And you’ve got too much cred to let anyone characterize this comment as hipster.

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by jtothep on Mar 2, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Fox's West End carries Stroh's in cans for a friend of mine at work

I think he is the only person I know that it is HIS beer

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by BMAN13 on Mar 2, 2011 6:44 PM EST up reply actions  

on a side note

we used to get half kegs of Stroh’s for $17 when I was in college.

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by BMAN13 on Mar 3, 2011 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

What if we made it a "Release Ed Amicably" thread?

Gus, don't be a gooey chocolate chip cookie.

by IcersGuy on Mar 2, 2011 6:20 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

The game was absolutely an out-and-out offensive disaster.

They shot 27% in the first half. Jon Diebler was ridiculous, but we weren’t even competitive after the first 8 minutes. Down 15 at the end of the first half meant this game was over before it began. Ending up at 49% was nice, but that stat was entirely built in garbage time. When it mattered, we just didn’t do the job.

This team in front of this crowd needed to keep it close at the bare minimum. Big opportunity here; they blew it. It’s not a devastating blow to some slim tournament hopes, but getting blown out was not the way to end Talor Battle’s career at home in front of 15K. That was awful.

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by Adam Collyer on Mar 2, 2011 7:56 AM EST reply actions  

Yeah, about 2 minutes into the game,

I said this crowd will be insane if we are close down the stretch, and we will win… unfortunately at about 5 minutes in we were out of the game.

The situation is little different for Ed DeChellis. He's been given a ruler and a spoon and is expected to compete with guys who have full-on backhoes.

by bigs26 on Mar 2, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I hate the auto speller on my ipod

This is why I don’t use t9 texting. Sorry for the indefensible grammar

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by Adam Bittner on Mar 2, 2011 8:52 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

There's a difference

between losing to the #1 team in the country, and not even appearing to belong in the same gym as them. The latter is what happened last night and there is simply no excuse for that.

Woefully stagnant offense, lazy and poor defensive rotation, and virtually no in-game adjustments to combat Diebler flying wide open for shots beyond the arc.

How did we hang with this team in Columbus?

by PennStateBasketball on Mar 2, 2011 9:06 AM EST reply actions  

20?

It could’ve EASILY been a 40-point game had Ohio State not relaxed on defense in the 2nd half.

by PennStateBasketball on Mar 2, 2011 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Well it better get "worthwhile" quickly

Because it’s what’s going to happen.

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by Adam Bittner on Mar 2, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

when it happens

I don’t think we should say “it could be a lot worse,” etc. That’s BS. It’s already bad if you’re in the NIT.

The NIT is likely going to prom with a bad date who’s ugly, doesn’t put out, and annoys the shit out of you. You could say that “it could be worse” b/c you could have no date, but that’s subjective. Maybe it would be better to just stay home.

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Mar 2, 2011 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

In questions of proms

It’s ALWAYS better to stay home, but I’ll play along.

If your expectation was to get a good looking girl who’s charming and has promiscuous tendencies and you end up with the cold, ugly, annoying girl, then it’s disappointing.

If your plans were to be cleaning up vomit at the after party you held at your house because your friends’ parents wouldn’t let people drink at their houses, then you’re probably thrilled just to get out of that.

When Babb and Edwards left, I thought this team was completely screwed. And not “We’re not going to the tournament” screwed, I mean “Where are we going to get the three wins we got last year?” screwed. Then Sasa went down and Buie was suspended. The idea that we’re sitting here in March still with a reasonable path to the Dance is beyond me.

Objectively, the NIT is a disappointment because it’s not the NCAA Tournament. Considering the things this program has been through off the court in the last 12 months, though, I’m not sure anyone could have reasonably expected much better.

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by Adam Bittner on Mar 2, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Well then we agree to disagree

I had considerably lower expectations for this team than you did, apparently.

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by Adam Bittner on Mar 2, 2011 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not in the business of shifting expectations

In basketball, it’s pretty simple to define success for a middle-of-the-road program: making the NCAA tournament. Anything else is a failure.

Excuses are for losers.

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Mar 2, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

That's great

Except middle-of-the-road programs don’t get kicked out of their own gyms and pay their coaches less than anyone in the conference.

Penn State is a terrible, terrible basketball program that’s been blessed with a few great players who’ve accomplished some impressive things. No more. Having a chance to win two NITs in three years is something Penn State’s peers (A-10 teams not named Xavier and Temple) would be pretty pleased with, so Penn State should be too.

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by Adam Bittner on Mar 2, 2011 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know how it is where you work

but I had to prove myself before I started making above average wages. I know that you are not arguing that PSU would win more if we simply paid Ed more, but I have a hard time understanding why the coach’s salary is the primary factor in the program’s success.

by kijana's acl on Mar 2, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Because if we paid our coaches more,

we would be able to fire Ed and get a replacement who is proven. Instead of fire Ed and get an Ed from 8 years ago clone.

The situation is little different for Ed DeChellis. He's been given a ruler and a spoon and is expected to compete with guys who have full-on backhoes.

by bigs26 on Mar 2, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Two things

I absolutely think that PSU should spend more on its basketball coach. However, I also believe that there are several young, hungry coaches who would kill for the opportunity to make Ed’s salary, coach in the Big 10 and prove themselves at the highest level. There’s risk with that, but no guarantee that the only option will be an Ed clone. If a young, cheap coach wins, then Curley has to decide if he wants to pay him or start over; but let’s not pretend that there are not multiple options (or that Ed has not been a continuing disappointment).

by kijana's acl on Mar 2, 2011 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

What coaches?

I’m not too big into college bball other than Big Ten, so I don’t really know the young up and comers. But Ed was a winner at East Tennessee, he completely turned that program around.

The situation is little different for Ed DeChellis. He's been given a ruler and a spoon and is expected to compete with guys who have full-on backhoes.

by bigs26 on Mar 2, 2011 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Even if you take out his 7-20 first year

his winning percentage was only 0.573 in the Southern Conference. I don’t even know another team that is in the Southern Conference. And I don’t follow small conference basketball much, so I can’t rattle off a list of young coaches. However, there are 350ish division one jobs, I’m confident that there are a handfull that meet the description that I provided.

by kijana's acl on Mar 2, 2011 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

here are 2

guys I think would be perfect for the PSU job. I hate Duke, but Wojo or Coliins are top notch assistants ready for a head coaching gig. They are young and energetic and would be very eager to prove themselves. Although they would probably leave after a few good seasons.

by Offside Clyde on Mar 2, 2011 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I think we should hire Joe Crispin as coach

I just can’t see him being a bad coach. Get Cornley to be the assistant coach and we would be set.

The situation is little different for Ed DeChellis. He's been given a ruler and a spoon and is expected to compete with guys who have full-on backhoes.

by bigs26 on Mar 2, 2011 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

honestly, this might be a good hire

I watched him coach PSU to its last NCAA appearance. Anyone that wants to attribute that to Dunn never sat close enough to hear them huddle up on court and then have Joe tell them what they should do.

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by BMAN13 on Mar 2, 2011 6:47 PM EST up reply actions  

OK

Well let’s take Brad Stevens then. He’d probably want well more than what Ed is making, but let’s just pretend he’d settle.

He gets Penn State to a couple of tournaments and then wants a raise to Steve Lavin money. Penn State has already shown it’s not going to pay Steve Lavin money, so Stevens bolt and we’re right back at square one.

What’s the point?

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by Adam Bittner on Mar 2, 2011 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

we get to go to the tournament every now and again

is the point.

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Mar 2, 2011 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

And we might pay a guy who has proven himself at PSU

And Lavin was a punchline when UCLA cut him loose. Please stop pretending that he was a hot name that should have been hired without question.

by kijana's acl on Mar 2, 2011 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

He was a punchline to UCLA fans

There’s a gigantic difference.

And even if they genuinely thought Ed was a better candidate at the time, fine. They didn’t call Lavin back in seven years, even after last year when they probably could have saved the program when Ed lost Edwards and Babb.

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by Adam Bittner on Mar 2, 2011 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

What had Lavin done in those 7 years

to make anyone think he wasn’t the same coach who drove a Ferrari into a ditch? If you can’t win at UCLA (or UNC, Duke, etc.), there should be very serious questions about whether or not you can coach.

by kijana's acl on Mar 2, 2011 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Just because I can't drive a race car...

…doesn’t mean I’m not a good driver.

On one hand, you’re telling me Penn State should fire Ed DeChellis and hire some up and comer at a mid-major. In the very next breath, you’re telling me it was logical for Penn State to ignore Lavin last spring because he wasn’t brilliant at UCLA, despite he had more success in his first season there than Ed has had in eight here.

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by Adam Bittner on Mar 2, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Success is relative

Lavin was not a success at UCLA. 20 win seasons are not measure there.

And everyone save St. John’s ignored Lavin for seven years. I think that says all that needs to be said since PSU is not the only program that could use a better coach.

by kijana's acl on Mar 2, 2011 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

And what I'm saying is

hire someone who has had real success at a lower level and has the desire to prove himself at a higher level. I fail to see the inconsistency.

by kijana's acl on Mar 2, 2011 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Ed DeChellis had real success at a lower level

The same people that hired him will hire his replacement.

I have no idea how you can look at a failed hire and advocate the same approach to finding someone else to lead the program for the next decade. How is hiring Lavin a risk, but hiring another Ed a bigger risk?

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by Adam Bittner on Mar 2, 2011 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I disagree

Ed had minimal success AND – important stuff coming – PSU ties. That is why he got hired. If he had been an assistant at Temple or Michigan and a C+/B- coach at East Tenn., he never would have been considered.

I would advocate expanding the pool of candidates beyond those who coached with the immortal Bruce Parkhill. I would ignore retreads who couldn’t get it done at programs with 100 times the resources and tradition as well.

by kijana's acl on Mar 2, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

What more was Ed supposed to do?

He won his conference and got to the NCAA Tournament success. If he’d had any more success than that a la Stevens, McCafferey, etc., he’d want Lavin money.

Remember, $1.5 is the going rate, not something you work your way up to. Guys coming up from the mid-majors who’ve had success expect to make that much, not hope to get to it some day.

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by Adam Bittner on Mar 2, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

$1.5 may be the rate for Lavin

but it’s not the “going rate”. I don’t believe that Pitt pays Jamie Dixon much more than that and he is considerably more accomplished than the type of coach that I’m talking about.

by kijana's acl on Mar 2, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Are all coaching salaries

on a level ground or is there a cost of living bias?

Living in California or NYC is measurably more expensive than living in State College. $500,000 in state College buys you a nice piece of property, while $500,000 in LA or NYC gets you a 8th floor studio in a walkup.

Most multilocation companies adjust your salary accordingly if you move from BFE to a more expensive cosmopolitan area. Why are coaching salaries all on the level?

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by rahpsu92 on Mar 2, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Dixon made more than Wanny

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by BMAN13 on Mar 2, 2011 6:48 PM EST up reply actions  

We’re totally going to hire Bruce Parkhill.

So welcome back, Coach Parkhill!

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by ReadingRambler on Mar 2, 2011 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

How the hell can you say that?

“He gets Penn State to a couple tournaments and then…”

Who cares at that point? We would’ve been to a couple of tournaments!

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by Run Up The Score on Mar 2, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Do you want a healthy program or a turnstile?

If you’re happy with a roller coaster ride, hey, good for you. I’m not. I want to see something built that can last.

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by Adam Bittner on Mar 2, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

Football has spoiled us. I’ve tried to communicate this for years. You can’t treat this basketball program like our football program – if you want the best coach, you’re not looking for a guy that’s going to stick around for 10 years. That’s a nice perk, but if a guy leaves the program better than where it was when he found it after 4 years and a few tournament appearances, you’re in pretty good shape.

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by Adam Collyer on Mar 2, 2011 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Nothing impressive has happened in the basketball program since 2001

that’s a full ten years.

Fugi, you’re like a kid telling their parents all the reasons they can’t get an A in some class.

Stop apologizing for the basketball program. They’re a disappointment to the university. The whole program should be remade. If that’s not going to happen, they should still re-make parts of it. Ed Dechellis’ best is not good enough.

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Mar 2, 2011 2:02 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Penn State is a terrible, terrible basketball program that’s been blessed with a few great players who’ve accomplished some impressive things. No more

How is that apologizing for the basketball program? He is blaming the program and apologizing for Ed. And I agree with him, if Ed’s best isn’t good enough, tell us who should be brought in, with a low enough salary for this terrible program to accept.

The situation is little different for Ed DeChellis. He's been given a ruler and a spoon and is expected to compete with guys who have full-on backhoes.

by bigs26 on Mar 2, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

you're right, he is apologizing for Ed

I apologize for the mistake.

I don’t know who should be brought in. But my ignorrance of attractive college hoops coaching candidates doesn’t mean they don’t exist.

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Mar 2, 2011 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

In our pay scale, there is not a proven attractive option

The situation is little different for Ed DeChellis. He's been given a ruler and a spoon and is expected to compete with guys who have full-on backhoes.

by bigs26 on Mar 2, 2011 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

i'd take an unproven attractive option

over a proven unattractive option, which is what we have now.

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Mar 2, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

touche

The situation is little different for Ed DeChellis. He's been given a ruler and a spoon and is expected to compete with guys who have full-on backhoes.

by bigs26 on Mar 2, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not apologizing for Ed.

If Penn State was willing to make a legitimate commitment to someone tomorrow I’d be the first in line to thank him for his time here and wish him well, but it’s not.

This isn’t a Friday night poker game. If Penn State picks the wrong guy, which based on what it’s willing to offer coaches, is the most likely outcome to firing Ed, it’s something that’ll cripple the program for another decade. You can’t come back and win you’re money back next weekend.

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by Adam Bittner on Mar 2, 2011 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

you're apologizing for Ed because you refuse to blame

him for any failure the program has had. The program isn’t a failure despite Ed Dechillis. It’s a failure because of Ed Dechellis and other factors.

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Mar 2, 2011 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

And the "other factors" are the things that led to him being here in the first place.

So I’m not sure how they’re less important than DeChellis himself, because once he’s gone, those factors will still be here. Why not get rid of the factors and Ed?

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by Adam Bittner on Mar 2, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

And who the hell ever said you can't give a player a shove in hoops?

Certainly not Laimbeer, Parrish, Rodman, Mahorn, Stockton, Rambis, Shaq, Pippen, or Jordan.

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Mar 2, 2011 9:27 AM EST reply actions  

Thank you for saying Jordan

Every person who says that Jordan would score 90 points every game in today’s NBA doesn’t realize, by that same token, he’d foul out by the second quarter for all the push-offs he threw.

by psuwxman on Mar 2, 2011 9:38 AM EST up reply actions  

i don't want to get into an argument about MJ

and he wouldn’t score 90 points every game in today’s NBA, but he’s still without a doubt the best basketball player ever. He would adapt his game to whatever the rules are. And the NBA refs will always give a player like him a lot of room, especially on offense, so there’s no way he’d consistently foul out. You just don’t do that to your superstars in a league whose revenue is based on superstars.

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Mar 2, 2011 9:40 AM EST up reply actions  

The real question is

if he were playing now would MJ get more tail than Tiger Woods?

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by rahpsu92 on Mar 2, 2011 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Well I was speaking most in hyperbole

And I don’t contest he wouldn’t still be the greatest ever; I just reject the notion that he would have been MORE dominant in today’s game than the one he played in 15 years ago.

by psuwxman on Mar 2, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, what spak said.

Also, MJ could add a lot to his game now since refs don’t call travels.

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by ReadingRambler on Mar 2, 2011 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

He didn't get called for them when he played, either.

That’s all I remember my dad yelling about when I was a kid. Ah, to be a Knicks fan….

by psuwxman on Mar 2, 2011 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

oh, you're a knicks fan

everything above makes sense now. Congrats on becoming relevant again.

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Mar 2, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

If anything,

it makes watching PSU basketball easier. I’m so used to inept upper management that the administration’s lack of caring doesn’t even faze me.

Did you know that the Knicks don’t even own their own 2011 first-rounder this year? Yeah, Isiah is still haunting the organization. At least Eddy Curry is finally off the books.

by psuwxman on Mar 2, 2011 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Dude,

he scored 51 points when he was 38 with those rules. Had he played today, he wouldn’t score 90 every game, but he would get there at least once, and I bet he would average near 40.

The situation is little different for Ed DeChellis. He's been given a ruler and a spoon and is expected to compete with guys who have full-on backhoes.

by bigs26 on Mar 2, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

There were multiple times in high school, that a three point shooter was going off against us. And after he makes a couple, you close out on one and just keep going right through him. Don’t hurt him, but make him feel it. The next time you close out after that, he would almost always miss.

The situation is little different for Ed DeChellis. He's been given a ruler and a spoon and is expected to compete with guys who have full-on backhoes.

by bigs26 on Mar 2, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

TYPO ALERT!

Flattended?

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Mar 2, 2011 9:31 AM EST reply actions  

Flattended

said in the voice of a 5 year old, pretty much sums it up.

by PSU Mudder on Mar 2, 2011 9:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Do you seriously have a man crush on Frazier?

How on Earth can you have him in the “Good” category? He was quite simply the worst player on the court by far last night. He is allowed to be criticized. Turnover after turnover. Passing up easy open 6 footers because he is afraid to shoot and passing into crowds to get someone a more difficult shot.

He has made great strides this year, but last night he was awful and a big reason why it was as bad as it was.

by mundyscorner99 on Mar 2, 2011 9:42 AM EST reply actions  

He shrunk in the big spot last night.

I was legitimately surprised. Maybe not starting took him out of his rhythm. Maybe he just had an off night. Whatever it was, he looked less like the Tim Frazier we’ve seen develop into a moderate offensive threat throughout the season and more like Tim Frazier circa 2009-2010.

He’s so quick on the drive. There was one play last night where he knifed through 2 defenders in a split second and just dropped it in. I’d like to see much more of that.

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by Adam Collyer on Mar 2, 2011 9:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes, he was awful last night. Just careless and sloppy.

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by Run Up The Score on Mar 2, 2011 10:07 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm sorry

not making the NCAA tournament this year is grounds to politely ask Ed to move on.

Depending on how the rest of the season plays out, even just the NIT would make this a stopping point with which the university should take advantage.

-I’m sorry he inherited a bad situation. Kudos to him for fixing it up a little bit.
-I’m sorry Geary Claxton got hurt, that season could have been a little better.
-Sorry that Chris Babb and Bill Edwards didn’t buy into what you were selling, that would have made the bench a million times better.

But in my mind having close to a decade of chances means that the school and team NEEDS a different direction.

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by OMEGAMAN on Mar 2, 2011 9:46 AM EST reply actions  

I agree.

I’m sorry to continue because I know it’s going to give Fooge an aneurysm if this develops into another #FireEd thread, but I think even for appearances alone we have to make a move. Hanging on to the current staff is essentially conceding that we’ll be semi-relevant once every 4 years. I don’t think you can sell a program like that and I don’t buy that recruits are going to want to come here. Talor Battle was an amazing player who, unless something fairly miraculous happens, will never play a game in the NCAA Tournament. Who wants to be the next Talor Battle in that scenario?

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by Adam Collyer on Mar 2, 2011 9:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Random thoughts

Although the game itself was awful, I’m still going to remember being there and honoring the seniors. One loss doesn’t take any of that away.

I thought it was disgraceful that a large number of the crowd (it seemed like mostly students) were cheering loudly when Sullinger injured his shoulder. There’s no place for that.

I think the “senior day” emotion really got to the team early and they were shooting a lot of shots too strong.

Hopefully Ed can rally the troops and just have them remember that this just counts as ONE GAME in the standings. Don’t let it carry over.

I feel that they have to win 3 B10 tourney games to get in, along with Minny on Sunday. I don’t think two BTT games will be enough.

by mundyscorner99 on Mar 2, 2011 9:53 AM EST reply actions  

Also

Does anybody have the stats on how many offensive fouls on moving screens that Oliver has committed this year? It seems like it happens every game.

by mundyscorner99 on Mar 2, 2011 9:55 AM EST up reply actions  

They played really well in the 4-5 previous senior days, I think.

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by Run Up The Score on Mar 2, 2011 10:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah I was totally surprised

I think there were opportunities early on but they couldn’t take advantage of them and it just snowballed from there.

by mundyscorner99 on Mar 2, 2011 10:19 AM EST up reply actions  

when Sullinger "injured" his shoulder
fixed. And i thought it was pretty bush league too, but it was fairly obvious that he was trying to sell the foul by faking an injury to me. But, yeah I was still disappointed. What I think happened was we got the steal and made the layup, so everyone started cheering for the points, then the casual fans in attendance thought we were cheering for the only player they knew on the other team getting injured and it went from there.

The situation is little different for Ed DeChellis. He's been given a ruler and a spoon and is expected to compete with guys who have full-on backhoes.

by bigs26 on Mar 2, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

My take:

We suck.

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by Artiefufkin10 on Mar 2, 2011 10:33 AM EST reply actions  

Dear Tim Curley,

One day you’ll know what love and wins can’t grow on a money tree.

Signed,
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by ReadingRambler on Mar 2, 2011 10:59 AM EST reply actions  

Dear Tim Curley,

More dashed hopes and losing to Ohio State please.

Yours truly,

Mr. Rosewater

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by Mr. Rosewater on Mar 2, 2011 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Agree!

And if we don’t win Big Tens in Evanston this month, it’s time to


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by ReadingRambler on Mar 2, 2011 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

fire kale?

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by Mr. Rosewater on Mar 2, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Knight Watch

I’m pretty sure we will be seeing Ohio State highlights all from last nights game in the next edition of Knight Watch.

Speaking of Bob Knight, is he interested in coming back to coach? I would love for him to coach at Penn State.

by bbpennstate10 on Mar 2, 2011 11:26 AM EST reply actions  

Letting out my anger

Reasons Penn State Should Be Dancing in March 2011 (before season began)
1. 4 out of 5 starters are seniors.
2. Starters have 2+ years of starting experience together
3. Talor Battle

Reasons Penn State Won’t Be Dancing in March 2011 and beyond
1. Our bench play is awful.
2. We bring basketball recruits to football games instead of basketball games
3. Hate to say this but Ed and his staff need to be replaced. Next years team is going to be really hurting.
4. Can’t recruit. Until we find a staff that can recruit well, we will be at or near the bottom of the Big 10.

by bbpennstate10 on Mar 2, 2011 11:57 AM EST reply actions  

For the millionth time this season

Replaced by whom?

I demand ever single person that suggests Ed should be fired in the next three weeks provide a better alternative for $600,000 and the IM Building as a practice facility. Did no one read Steve Lavin’s comments? THEY DIDN’T CALL HIM BACK.

There is no savior coming when Ed is fired. Just a less experienced, cheaper version of Ed DeChellis. And don’t give me “Well you’ll never know until you try.” For every diamond in the rough, there is the rough, and people seem to forget that. If Ed is fired, he’ll be replaced by a Tim Curley yes man.

You want change?

Fire Tim Curley. Then talk to me about fricking Ed DeChellis.

Yeah, I said it.

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by Adam Bittner on Mar 2, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

This is where I completely agree with you Foog

Just because PSU has made some very good hires recently, does not mean that they will do so in BB. They will still set a very low bar with a wage that does not even come close to the average salary in the Big Ten. I have disliked Ed’s in game adjustments forever, like the ones he didn’t do last night and the ones he did too late against Maine but him leaving opens PSU up to actually being worse. Some want to take that chance, and I am close to leaning that way but I really agree that we will just be getting another ED. Take the chance or not, that is the tough question.

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by BMAN13 on Mar 2, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Well look at all my commentary through that lense

I look at Ed as the best Penn State is going to do with its present commitment level. Could Penn State have been coached into playing better defense last night if Jim Boeheim was the head coach? Sure. But Penn State is never going to hire a Jim Boeheim so long as Tim Curley is cutting the checks.

By this program’s standards, last night was hardly a disaster. It’s the result you’re going to get when you don’t put much into it.

At the end of the day, yes, to be what fans what it to be, the program needs to part ways with Ed DeChellis. But if and when that happens, there needs to be a change in culture at the top for it to matter.

What turns my stomach, and will probably drive me insane over the next couple of weeks are casual observers of this program that have absolutely no idea what they’re talking about telling me Ed DeChellis is the problem. He’s a problem, but not the problem.

I can see it now. Ed DeChellis will be fired, people will rejoice and then spend the next five years getting all excited as Dan Earl makes incremental progress as the next head coach. Then he’ll fail just like Ed did and the cycle will begin again. And no one will have addressed the real problem, and we’ll have kicked the can down the road for another decade.

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by Adam Bittner on Mar 2, 2011 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

And for the second time

Keep Ed if Curley is going to invest in the program, because the problem may not be the coach.

Fire Ed if basketball is going to continue to be an afterthought, because Ed clearly can’t get it done with the current resources.

Your logic is, well, illogical.

by kijana's acl on Mar 2, 2011 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Again

I believe Ed DeChellis is the best coach Penn State is going to get for what it’s going to pay. Sure, there are coaches that might be able to do better with the resources available, but they’re either A) Not going to work for what Penn State is willing to pay or B) Not going to stay at Penn State once the succeed.

The question isn’t whether Ed is “getting it done” with the resources he has, it’s whether he’s getting it done better than most would given the circumstances. I believe he is, so he needs to be kept if Penn State isn’t going to change its commitment level. If it does change, I think there are better coaches available.

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by Adam Bittner on Mar 2, 2011 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Look at the stats

I define “getting it done” simply by wins and losses as well as making the Big Dance. If you look at this definition Ed has accomplished this 0 times as head coach at Penn State. Some people may argue the 2008 season he got it done by winning almost 30 games and winning the NIT. Nope. Penn State didn’t make the Big Dance so he didn’t get it done. Also, a lot of those wins in 2008 came against terrible out of conference teams (I believe Ed and the coaching staff schedules those games, correct?) Ed’s goal each year is to make the big dance and this year it looks like they may be in the NIT instead. Regardless of funding, facilities, Tim Curley, etc. a coach still has to “get it done”.

by bbpennstate10 on Mar 2, 2011 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

What part of this are you missing?

If the NCAA Tournament was the goal, Penn State would have hired Steve Lavin and not called Ed DeChellis back in 2003. Instead it did things the other way around because, in fact, making money is the goal, not winning basketball games and making the NCAA Tournament.

As a fan, you have to ask yourself “Could this suck less?” If the answer is yes, then you push to go in another direction. If the answer is that you don’t know, or no, then you stick with what you’ve got. I’m of the belief that no coach with serious career goals is going to come here and work for 10+ years with the salary and facilities Penn State is offering. This is Ed’s destination job and he’s doing about as well as can be expected for a guy in his position.

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by Adam Bittner on Mar 2, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe I am missing something or confused

If making money is the goal, don’t you increase or create money by winning games and making the tournament to draw more fans into buying into the basketball program?

by bbpennstate10 on Mar 2, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Risk vs. Reward

Penn State could invest more in a coach, but if that coach fails, then you’re flushing money down the toilet. The athletic department has decided it’d rather take the TV money and run.

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by Adam Bittner on Mar 2, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

it's not that cut and dry

then why did they give out free shirts at the game last night? The AD spends money on the basketball program, just not enough right now.

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Mar 2, 2011 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

That's marketing

It’s a necessary part of getting butts in seats. Teams make money on giveaways. If you don’t believe me, ask Bob Nutting.

Penn State is only making investments where there is minimal risk and safe reward involved.

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by Adam Bittner on Mar 2, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

actually, teams lose money on giveaways

Ted Leonsis has explained this thoroughly.

I grant you that not everyone seems to understand this, though, so it’s perhaps true that PSU thinks giveaways are good business long-term, but they are not.

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Mar 2, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Since the status quo

currently makes money due to the nice TV money pad. spending anything additional to make additional revenue could risk the current bean counter heaven.

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by rahpsu92 on Mar 2, 2011 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I see your point. Question though

I’m not a Penn State basketball expert but when was Tim Curley hired? During Curley’s time, has Penn State had successful seasons under previous head coaches before Ed?

by bbpennstate10 on Mar 2, 2011 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Curley became Head AD

in the early 90’s. So he oversaw the end of the Parkhill era, the Jerry Dunn debachle, and the Ed Dechellis disappointment.

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by rahpsu92 on Mar 2, 2011 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

People actually still argue about basketball?

I admire your love for the program. Suffice it to say, I have expended all energy on this matter.

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by ReadingRambler on Mar 2, 2011 12:17 PM EST reply actions  

I 100% agree with you

I’ve come to the conclusion that if the AD doesn’t want to take BB seriously then I won’t take it seriously either

by mjs2103 on Mar 2, 2011 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Well just remember

The money all goes to the same people, whether you’re paying for a football ticket or a basketball ticket. If you’re cool with not supporting players that wear blue and white just because the folks above them don’t care then that’s up to you.

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by Adam Bittner on Mar 2, 2011 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

i dont think we're on the same page

I only mean that i don’t expect anything spectatular from the team. It seems the AD is comfortable with how the team is performing (practicing in the IM building, spending no money on the coach) so I don’t expect anything more than finishing in the bottom half of the league every year. I’m still going to root for psu to win the games they play but I’m not going to expect the bball team to compete like the football team does

by mjs2103 on Mar 2, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Still hope people!

I keep telling myself we aren’t dead yet. Hopefully we can beat Minnesota on the road and make a nice run in the Big 10 Tournament.

by bbpennstate10 on Mar 2, 2011 12:29 PM EST reply actions  

ABANDON ALL HOPE

JOIN THE WRESTLING FAN CLUB

JOIN US. DON’T BE AFRAID. WE’LL HELP YOU UNDERSTAND THE RULES AND EVERYTHING.

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by ReadingRambler on Mar 2, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Seniors

Regardless of the outcome, I tip my hat to all the seniors. They all tried their hardest over their careers and they all improved. What is frustrating is all the transfers we have had over the years. Next year we return one starter and it could be brutal. If Edwards and Babb had not transferred we would return experience not to mention have a deeper rotation. This has been a systemic problem that I have never seen addressed, even by the media. I have looked at the outcome of almost all the transfers and they invariably go to D2 or smaller schools or take less minutes somewhere else. The exceptions would be Aaron Johnson who tried to hit it big in New Mexico and Chris Babb who looks promising at Iowa State. We have 2, 3, or 4 win B10 seasons for a while, gain experience, make a mini-run and then come up short. Then we’re back to scratch experience-wise.

by Michael Kutch on Mar 2, 2011 1:28 PM EST reply actions  

Multiple Choice Question

A. Fire Tim Curley
B. Fire Ed
C. Both A and B
D. None of the above

by bbpennstate10 on Mar 2, 2011 1:37 PM EST reply actions  

How about...

E. Stop letting the Jordan Center send the team to the IM Building and see what happens.

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by Adam Bittner on Mar 2, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

OK, that was terrible, but it happened once.

Let’s not make it seem like they’ve been banished to the IM Building to compete for time with the kids from East Halls.

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by Adam Collyer on Mar 2, 2011 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Let's not

Doesn’t mean it won’t be the first question a coach asks in an interview about the job.

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by Adam Bittner on Mar 2, 2011 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

FIRE ROY WILLIAMS!

He can’t win without Hansborough!

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Mar 2, 2011 11:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Ok, I tried to resist, but am too annoyed not to say something.

In my mind, that game last night was one of the worst displays of class that I have ever seen in college basketball. Now before you say that I’m just being a sore loser, hear me out. I am fine with a team shooting threes late in a blowout, its part of the game, I am fine with a team playing starters late in the game, and running up the score never really bothers me while the game is within 30 points. Well, actually I have no problem if that happens while the winning team is running their regular offense, and that is where my problem lies with Diebler, Matta, and Ohio State.

Sitting behind the basket I watched Diebler put on a display which I have never seen, truly a great game from him. But the final 5 minutes of the game was an atrocity. Like I said, I would have no problem if Diebler had made 15 threes had they been in the flow of the offense, but this was not the case. I’m not sure if this came through on the TV, but from about 5 minutes to go, until Diebler left with about 2 to go, the offense switched to being all about Diebler.
Every single possession after that 5 minute mark, with Ohio State up by at least 20 played out something like this:
Diebler would run through a double screen across the baseline to the three point line, covered, he would cross back over the two screens to the other side, covered. He would then fake this same move but make a v cut off a screen back to the three point line near the elbow, still covered, then he would get the ball, get a ball screen to try to get a three (and succeed). This happened four or five possessions in a row, with Diebler trying desperately to get the ball.

That is not offense, its not Ohio State’s offense, and it is a disgrace to the game of basketball. It is similar to teams running double reverses, throwing hail marys and going for two and then going for the on side kick while up 30 in a football game. If you don’t like it, stop it right? How about if its bush league bs don’t do it. I have no problem if you score, but do it the way you normally would. If that were Talor Battle doing the same thing, I would be ashamed to be a Penn State fan today. I may be overreacting, but that type of action has no place in basketball.

The situation is little different for Ed DeChellis. He's been given a ruler and a spoon and is expected to compete with guys who have full-on backhoes.

by bigs26 on Mar 2, 2011 3:16 PM EST reply actions  

Last Five Minutes of the Game

I was already on my way to McDonalds for my free Big Mac. So I wasn’t able to see what you’re describing.

by bbpennstate10 on Mar 2, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Boo hoo

Stop him.

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by Adam Bittner on Mar 2, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Ah, yeah.

I hope this means we’re going to have a repeat of last year, when you seemed to think student sections shouldn’t try to bother the away team.

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by ReadingRambler on Mar 2, 2011 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I already took my shot

You should never boo the other team louder than you cheer for yours. That happened last night and it’s pathetic.

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by Adam Bittner on Mar 2, 2011 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not.

It should literally never happen IMO.

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by Adam Bittner on Mar 2, 2011 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree with this.

We needed to be louder for our team. I would actually like the band to not play loud during our announcements, it seems to keep everyone off their timing and the student section can’t get loud all at one time (like when the football team runs on the field), instead its just cheering over the whole intro.

The situation is little different for Ed DeChellis. He's been given a ruler and a spoon and is expected to compete with guys who have full-on backhoes.

by bigs26 on Mar 2, 2011 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

That's utterly ridiculous.

Please don’t constrain yourself with ideas like this.

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by ReadingRambler on Mar 2, 2011 6:35 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd for excellent usage of "constrain".

I don’t see that word enough.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Mar 2, 2011 11:40 PM EST up reply actions  

you should read more police reports

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by BMAN13 on Mar 3, 2011 8:06 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Or Con Strain

A story about lifting weights in jail

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by BMAN13 on Mar 3, 2011 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

for some reason this reminded me of that (apparently false) story

about a weightlifter at Penn State and a prolapsed rectum.

(There is an image you probably won’t want to see if you click the link, but needless to say it debunks the story)
http://www.snopes.com/photos/risque/prolapse.asp

by The JuggerNitt on Mar 3, 2011 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought they were doing everything that they could?

You have written that there was nothing that PSU could do and that sometimes the other guy is just better. Now? Stop him. Is consistency a prequisite for writing at any the sites listed in your signature?

by kijana's acl on Mar 2, 2011 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh I don't think Penn State did everything it could do to stop him.

It could have put all five defenders on him if it wanted to.

I thought they did a reasonable job of covering him while putting the focus on more dangerous scorers like Sullinger and Lighty, though. The fact that he hit 10-12…well that sucks but there’s not a whole lot more they could have done. As I said above, sometimes a guy just makes shots.

As far as anyone complaining about him jacking threes late, I don’t have a problem with it, the same way I don’t have a problem with Penn State rolling up 60 on Coastal Carolina in football game. It’s D-1 basketball.

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by Adam Bittner on Mar 2, 2011 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

You've made me long for Junny's postings

and I never thought I would write that.

Also, you just compared PSU-OSU (basketball) to Coastal Carolilna-PSU (football). I have no idea how you can write that and think that the coach is not, at a minimum, a significant part of the problem. Despite your virulent anti-Curley rants, it is impossible to argue that Coastal Carolina’s football coach has a fraction of the resources available to Ed for basketball.

by kijana's acl on Mar 2, 2011 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

What part of what I've said indicates to you I don't think Ed is a problem?

I just don’t think he’s THE problem.

If you think this whole thing is as simple as pulling the plug on Ed and hiring the coach of the year in the SWAC, talk to me in five years and we’ll see who’s surprised.

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by Adam Bittner on Mar 2, 2011 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

You're right

Change nothing and hope for the best.

I realize that’s not what you are advocating, but I think asking for a proven coach is akin to asking JoePa to put wings on the helmets. It COULD happen, but I would not hold my breath. In my mind it is more reasonable to ask for the change that actually could occur. Teplacing the guy who has failed over eight years and left the cupboard bare for the next might be risky and drastic, but it beats hoping that Ed will suddenly become competent.

by kijana's acl on Mar 2, 2011 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Firing Tim Curley couldn't happen?

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by Adam Bittner on Mar 2, 2011 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Well then you win.

But we all lose in the end.

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by Adam Bittner on Mar 2, 2011 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."

by Adam Collyer on Mar 2, 2011 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess 1954 doesn't count.

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by Adam Bittner on Mar 2, 2011 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

You are WINNING

terrible for 57 years instead of 61+.

by kijana's acl on Mar 2, 2011 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Also, in answer to your first question:

everything that you’ve written over the last month stating – largely as certainty – that Ed is better than any comparably priced alternative.

by kijana's acl on Mar 2, 2011 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

OK say he isn't

What of Tim Curley’s tenure suggests to you he’s capable of hiring anyone better. He hired DeChellis didn’t he?

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by Adam Bittner on Mar 2, 2011 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Sanderson, Pavlik, Washington

Rose predates him, but he’s hit on a few hires.

by kijana's acl on Mar 2, 2011 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn't say he hit on Sanderson.

He was handed Sanderson and said “ok sure.”

Pav has been good, but really, I could coach that team into winning the EIVA every year and getting into the Final Four. PSU’s success in that department is much more brand driven than anything to do with Pav IMO.

Washington…the jury is still out on for me. She took a big step forward in recruiting this year, but they’re still losing games they shouldn’t with that talent. Next year is a big year for her.

I don’t think any of them really signal he’s going to hire a good men’s basketball coach.

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by Adam Bittner on Mar 2, 2011 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I just can't believe we dont have

1 big time donor who would shell out some money for the basketball team

by mjs2103 on Mar 2, 2011 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

No, my point is its not the same.

Would you have a problem if Penn State was running the hurry up offense while up 60? That’s my point, they could beat us by 100, I wouldn’t care, as long as they are playing a basketball game.

The situation is little different for Ed DeChellis. He's been given a ruler and a spoon and is expected to compete with guys who have full-on backhoes.

by bigs26 on Mar 2, 2011 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

If you don’t like it, stop it right? How about if its bush league bs don’t do it.

The fact that we can’t stop them doesn’t mean its not classless.

The situation is little different for Ed DeChellis. He's been given a ruler and a spoon and is expected to compete with guys who have full-on backhoes.

by bigs26 on Mar 2, 2011 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Basketball momentum changes so quickly

that I can’t blame a team for keeping up the tempo and the pressure until the last second ticks off the clock.

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by rahpsu92 on Mar 2, 2011 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

No,

I am blaming them for completely changing their offense to go for an individual record

The situation is little different for Ed DeChellis. He's been given a ruler and a spoon and is expected to compete with guys who have full-on backhoes.

by bigs26 on Mar 2, 2011 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Boo hoo.

Ann Arbor has loose morals.

by Semicorrect on Mar 2, 2011 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Really? Thats your response?

It seems I am the minority here, so someone tell me why I’m wrong. And if it came across as crying I am sorry, I could care less, we got smoked by a better team either way. I just hate to see teams play a horrible version of basketball.

The situation is little different for Ed DeChellis. He's been given a ruler and a spoon and is expected to compete with guys who have full-on backhoes.

by bigs26 on Mar 2, 2011 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

“Playing a different style of basketball” to run up the score is a valid complaint in middle school girls’ basketball, not Division 1 basketball. Even then, it’s a small complaint which you called “a disgrace to the game of basketball”. I just think you overstated the case.

Ann Arbor has loose morals.

by Semicorrect on Mar 2, 2011 5:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I probably did overstate it.

But it just isn’t good basketball in any form, and there is a reason why that is not the regular offense. Maybe its not a disgrace, but it is a horrible representation of the sport because it is something you will never see them, or any other team, do in a close game.

But still, if you are playing football and switch to no huddle, spread offense when you are up 40 late in the game, everyone would go nuts calling it running up the score and classless. I don’t see how this case is different.

The situation is little different for Ed DeChellis. He's been given a ruler and a spoon and is expected to compete with guys who have full-on backhoes.

by bigs26 on Mar 2, 2011 6:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Of course that's his response.

Even if your post was more reasonable (No offense), that would be his response. That’s always their response.

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by ReadingRambler on Mar 2, 2011 6:35 PM EST up reply actions  

“their response”? You’re a bit paranoid about OSU fans.

Did you see what fugimaster wrote above me? “Boo hoo, stop him.” I didn’t see a markedly different offense, so it strikes me as 10% legit concern and 90% sour grapes.

Ann Arbor has loose morals.

by Semicorrect on Mar 2, 2011 9:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Paranoid? No. Profiling based on most OSU fans I’ve encountered on blogs? Oh, yes.

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by ReadingRambler on Mar 2, 2011 10:43 PM EST up reply actions  

a lot of self-projection here.

get over yourself, you’re no better.

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by KenK on Mar 3, 2011 9:19 AM EST up reply actions  

And I could, frankly, care less for using Fugi as an example here. He’s weird when you get his dander up.

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by ReadingRambler on Mar 2, 2011 10:43 PM EST up reply actions  

[insert penn state is not a rival to OSU meme]
[insert Paterno is senile joke]
[insert bitter/jealous about TP meme]

Do you have any new material? Anything? At least Rambler disagreed first; you’re a hanger-on.

Ann Arbor has loose morals.

by Semicorrect on Mar 3, 2011 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Now that I have calmed down lets remember...

Ohio State is ranked number one. I think they proved that last night. Ed needs to rally his team together to get a win in Minnesota to get to .500 in conference play. From there, anything can happen on a neutral court in the Big 10 Tournament. Some teams may be already looking ahead to the Big Dance who we will play and we might be able to take advantage of that!

by bbpennstate10 on Mar 2, 2011 3:40 PM EST reply actions  

Rable Rable Rable

It took John Wooden 16 years to win a national championship at UCLA. Maybe we have to wait 16 years under Ed to qualify for the tournament! So how many more years do we got left?

by bbpennstate10 on Mar 2, 2011 9:12 PM EST reply actions  

One more thing

If we win the NIT this year, at least we will be the 69th best team in the country. Good number to end the season on, especially for our seniors!

by bbpennstate10 on Mar 2, 2011 9:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I stopped over here yesterday to see post and comments and my keyboard nearly caught on fire. Yikes. I think there were three factors on Tuesday. Let’s go with the Hot Button of Diebler having a hot hand. On this point I agree with Fugi, sometimes shit happens. Diebs was averaging 11 ppg, hardly numbers to make him a marked man. He’s part of an ensemble cast, and it was his night. Similar things happened when JTaylor and EMoore went off on us in our losses. I think another factor was rebounding;; it was a complete turnaround from 1st time teams met. I think the third factor was PSU’s piss-poor offensive output in 1st half. Game was pretty much decided at that point.

"I'm not a psychopath, Anderson, I'm a high-functioning sociopath. Do your research." - Sherlock Holmes

by KenK on Mar 3, 2011 9:26 AM EST reply actions  

well, regardless of how it turned out

I’ve been impressed with Talor Battle. He is truly a special player and I’m sure the PSU fans appreciate what he’s done. Great collegiate career and best of luck at the next level.

"I'm not a psychopath, Anderson, I'm a high-functioning sociopath. Do your research." - Sherlock Holmes

by KenK on Mar 3, 2011 7:23 PM EST up reply actions  

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