Tressel's in even deeper doo-doo
by Gopher Broke on Mar 25, 2011 1:56 PM EDT
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Tressel's press conference excuse that he didn't know who he could talk to about the "confidential" information his lawyer friend emailed him about Pryor and another player has been completely nuked:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6257370
The evidence keeps piling up. I don't think the NCAA will have any choice but to lay the hammer down on Senator Tressel and tO$U. It couldn't happen to a better program, too.
On another related note, this makes me even more glad that Terrelle Pryor chose not to come to Penn State. Pryor + Sarniak = TROUBLE.
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Putting ethics aside (as O$U clearly has)
From a PR standpoint, they simply could not have handled this situation any more poorly.
If there is one thing I've learned in my short time on this planet
its that lying tends to exhaserbate any and all situations. Especially when its at an apparent sociopathic level, as seems to be the case here.
"Penn State is the standard for success with honor. Period. I can’t even believe we’re even discussing that" - ReadingRambler
by psuphysicist on Mar 25, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Sort of
Getting caught lying is what made this situation go from “mildly embarrassing” to “maybe Tressel should be fired.”
If Tressel had just told the truth from the beginning, the NCAA would look like the bad guys to a lot of people. Yes, the players broke rules that they definitely either knew or should have known, but in the end all they really did was trade stuff that belonged to them (if you can’t sell it, do you own it?).
I've got the brains. You've got the looks. Let's make lots of money.
Thats what I was getting at
If Tressel just turned the information over to the NCAA, they probably would have gotten a 4 or maybe 5 game suspension and missed the powder puffs. Tressel would have done the right thing, the players would have served their punishments and all would have been forgotten.
The debate then would have been, rightly, whether that NCAA rule is fair or not. I would have cut those Buckeyes some slack because of the large grey area involved with student athletes selling their stuff. Instead, its about Jim Tressel covering up what are on the surface, minor transgressions encountered by young, dumb kids. His lies are now the issue.
"Penn State is the standard for success with honor. Period. I can’t even believe we’re even discussing that" - ReadingRambler
by psuphysicist on Mar 25, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
This isn't about them
Tressel was bound, by contract and NCAA rules to report any potential violations, and he didn’t.
but in the end all they really did was trade stuff that belonged to them (if you can’t sell it, do you own it?).
And here is another thing I have issue with. They have every right to sell their possessions. What they don’t have a right to do is sell their possessions AND maintain an amateur status.
These are major violations, not my term, the NCAA’s. What Tressel did is a completely different issue. And it’s looking more and more (with evidence mind you) that he tried to cover-up violations of the program. If he doesn’t resign/get fired, I’ll be shocked. Lose respect for fOSU (IF that’s even possible). And lose respect for the NCAA (IF, again, that’s even possible).
Let them sell it later when they're out of college.
The rule isn’t about them, it’s about preventing undue booster interference that would inherently give major programs a financial and inherent advantage over the not-so-lucky programs.
This isn’t a freedom issue. You can own (as in, have possession of and say it’s yours) cocaine or marijuana, but you can’t sell it.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Mar 25, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Lying is exausting
ask my ex, he was always sooooo tired.
My coach is better than your coach
by letsgopsu on Mar 25, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Wellllll
perhaps it’s a foreshadow into the “letsgo!” part, methinks…
" When you cross that Blue Line, you are mine...Across the Blue Line, it's all football. " " And what you need to do in your life is paint Blue Lines everywhere. " - Joe Paterno 2009
by BlueWhiteLife on Mar 25, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
-just jkg; of course!
" When you cross that Blue Line, you are mine...Across the Blue Line, it's all football. " " And what you need to do in your life is paint Blue Lines everywhere. " - Joe Paterno 2009
by BlueWhiteLife on Mar 25, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
That is a lesson most of us have learned.
But some people just don’t ever seem to get it. I am surprised to find the vest is one of them.
No one told you when to run, you missed the starting gun
I didn't read any of the 800+ comments attached to that story
but I wonder if this Sarnick is the guy Derry was referring to weeks ago.
IIRC, jt noted during that 1st tv presser that “…I didn’t tell/forward the emails to anyone / I didn’t b/c I was afraid/ due to ‘confidentiality’ / safety…” [sic]
Tur’rible!
" When you cross that Blue Line, you are mine...Across the Blue Line, it's all football. " " And what you need to do in your life is paint Blue Lines everywhere. " - Joe Paterno 2009
Isn't this Sarniak the
owner of the famous white Vette in the Pryor Miami Vice pics?
"You're holding my hand Chuck - you sly dog!"
Yes and Yes.
"Penn State is the standard for success with honor. Period. I can’t even believe we’re even discussing that" - ReadingRambler
by psuphysicist on Mar 25, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
That's what I was wondering as well
Derry should be stopping by at some point today…“so stay tuned to hear from BSD’s most interesting man…”
/Dos XX’d
" When you cross that Blue Line, you are mine...Across the Blue Line, it's all football. " " And what you need to do in your life is paint Blue Lines everywhere. " - Joe Paterno 2009
by BlueWhiteLife on Mar 25, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
He was just in the Jack Crawford thread
I’d suggest going over there and reading his comments on the issue.
"Penn State is the standard for success with honor. Period. I can’t even believe we’re even discussing that" - ReadingRambler
by psuphysicist on Mar 25, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
remember th "Diff'rent Strokes" photo someone posted in a thread?
it is more relevant now, Pryor (Arnold/Willis) and his rich mentor (Mr. Drummond)
My coach is better than your coach
You mean the 2nd presser, right?
At the first presser he said this was the first time he heard about these activities.
Sarcastradamus!
Snide predictions since 2010!
I've said it before and I'll say it again.
I don’t see anyway that they avoid forfeiting every game from last season.
Our rival is Stanford.
by jesse. on Mar 25, 2011 2:27 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Makes you wonder how the actual NCAA response/outcome of all this will set a new baseline
saying that they actually sack-up on this one…
Forfeiture is merely one punishment point though – will they make him sit out of all coaching responsibilities this year? Of course, in order to do that, they would have to act swiftly…
" When you cross that Blue Line, you are mine...Across the Blue Line, it's all football. " " And what you need to do in your life is paint Blue Lines everywhere. " - Joe Paterno 2009
by BlueWhiteLife on Mar 25, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Want a fun read?
Read the commenting apologists at Eleven Warriors.
I stand by my assertion made one week ago: a mistake is not a pattern of conduct. As more news breaks, it’s clear Tressel has engaged in the latter, and not made the former. He’s a hell of a coach, I think, and depending on who you ask, a hell of a recruiter. But he’s also a hell of a sleaze.
Either stupid or in denial
Yes, it’s all wrapped up in one big incident, but we’re not talking about one mistake here
I've got the brains. You've got the looks. Let's make lots of money.
the best part at 11W
is that they are using this scandal as evidence that he never cheated before this incident, and that this actually proves he is a trustworthy and honorable coach, because someone who was dirty from the get-go would know how to lie correctly.
This reasoning is like saying “Sure I suspected my wife cheated on me for years. And sure I caught my wife in bed with another man. But all that proves is that she cheated on me only that one time, because if she cheated on me for years, she never would have gotten caught by me that one time.”
Or at least thats what I got out of it.
If someone asked them about Maurice Clarett or Troy Smith’s booster money or (just for fun) Jim O’Brien, would they simply deny the existence of those people?
"Use their guts to lubricate our single leg attacks!" - Lycurgus
by ReadingRambler on Mar 25, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup
Nothing to see here, move along.
It is absolutely hilarious the denial that fOSU is in right now.
I find it amusing as well
And there are some pretty rational Buckeye fans out there. They seem to be chiming in on a few message boards with their own brand of ‘ohmanthissucks’. Although I haven’t seen any explicitly saying ‘get rid of the slimy turdball. And Jim Tressel too!’
But the overwhelming (maybe just vocal) majority seem to be saying that this is his one transgression in an otherwised unsullied career. As far as MC goes, the fervent Jim Tressel apologists will have you know that he even went so far as to try to help Mr Clarett get his life back on track.
Lets not mention AJ Hawk getting 3 grand stolen from his car, or Troy Smith, or the eleventy citiations Pryor has gotten driving different cars. Oh, also, YSU doesn’t actually exist. Not the recorded violations- the school itself. Columbus is Ohio.
I would hate to be a Buckeye. Well that goes without saying, but I would be even more embarrassed than I thought humanly possible to be a Buckeye right now. I’d probably be on some kind of bender- and not the good kind either (you know, hanging out with smokin hotties). I mean the kind where a stranger finds me shivering under a park bench covered in my own urine and fecal matter muttering something about 2012 and the coming apocolypse while nursing a gallon of Jack Daniels.
"Penn State is the standard for success with honor. Period. I can’t even believe we’re even discussing that" - ReadingRambler
by psuphysicist on Mar 25, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder as the kitchen gets hotter
how much more enticing the Supplemental Draft might just smell?
I’d have to figure it’s in some of their heads. ..
" When you cross that Blue Line, you are mine...Across the Blue Line, it's all football. " " And what you need to do in your life is paint Blue Lines everywhere. " - Joe Paterno 2009
by BlueWhiteLife on Mar 25, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that's a foregone conclusion
Aren’t four of the five considered NFL starters/caliber? It was sad enough with Michigan’s implosion, but this… This is beyond sad. This is a mini-SMU (In my opinion) and wont end well. I was so excited to have Nebraska enter the league and hopefully that will be enough to quell this news once Summer starts and we enter the season, but this sucks for the B1G.
I think the whole labor issue is probably preventing that at the moment,
if it’s even in their heads.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Mar 25, 2011 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm honestly wondering
if/when Tressel keeps his job and vacates wins, is the overall collective butthurt from opposing fans going to create an anti-matter vortex. I mean, seriously, everyone seems to think that “TEH HAMMMERZZ” is coming from the NCAA so if nothing really happens that greatly impacts the future of the team, what exactly will some of you do? Boycott the NCAA?
by Onestatewest on Mar 25, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not exactly the NCAA's biggest fan
And I won’t be shocked if nothing else comes of this. I also wouldn’t be shocked if the NCAA dropped the hammer to try to maintain some sort of appearance of usefulness. I am more intrigued in a horrific trainwreck sort of way than anything else.
If nothing comes of it, I will still use it as ammunition when we inevitably lose to Ohio State. And any time I meet a smug Buckeye who doesn’t really know anything about college football but knows it the loudest. I’ve actually got a few good friends that went to Ohio State, and some close family friends that played there. I’m not envious of your position at all- in fact, I kind of feel bad for the portion of the fan base that are good football fans, and do respect and appreciate the game.
That being said, Ohio State sucks.
"Penn State is the standard for success with honor. Period. I can’t even believe we’re even discussing that" - ReadingRambler
by psuphysicist on Mar 25, 2011 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Also,
from the casual observer’s point of view, this is especially interesting because of the squeeky clean image Tressel potrayed. If this was Nick Saban, or Gene Chiznick, or Kiffin, etc. then I think people would find this slightly less interesting.
And if Tressel does keep his job, I’m curious to see how he handles himself and his team. The general consensus seems to be that trouble has always been around Tressel, but could not be linked to Tressel. Does that continue? Or does he make a real effort to distance himself from recruiting the Maurice Clarrett/Terrel Pryor type?
"Penn State is the standard for success with honor. Period. I can’t even believe we’re even discussing that" - ReadingRambler
by psuphysicist on Mar 25, 2011 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I honestly don't think much is going to come of it.
I’d be really surprised if Tressel wasn’t still the Buckeye coach in the future. It’s easier for everyone involved— the NCAA, OSU’s AD, Tressel— if nothing happens, just like it’s easier for me not to care when it doesn’t. The NCAA is what happens to Newton’s First Law when the external force decide’s he’s pretty comfortable where he is and waits for another external force to force him off the couch.
We’ve got our own problems anyway. QB Decision: 2011 is on its merry way, and I need to mentally prepare myself for it.
"I just wanted to thank you for everything you've done for this university." "Oh, I haven't done enough." - Joe Paterno.
as new crap keeps coming out on this topic, the NCAA is being put in a position where they have to make a statement
or just admit “we are ineffective, don’t mind us”.
I think they make a move to save some face here.
My coach is better than your coach
I just feel like they've been put in that position quite a bit lately
and they still manage to get away from it, somehow. If I’m not careful the NCAA will make a pessimist out of me.
Sometimes I wonder if they realize they’re becoming a bit of a running joke.
"I just wanted to thank you for everything you've done for this university." "Oh, I haven't done enough." - Joe Paterno.
Did you see their new hire?!?
Yeah, its the guy the white house turned down due to his involvement with Fannie May. The company he listed as a ‘major US company’ instead of writing the name on his resume. I’m pretty sure they know they are a running joke- at this point they are just going for bonus points.
"Penn State is the standard for success with honor. Period. I can’t even believe we’re even discussing that" - ReadingRambler
by psuphysicist on Mar 25, 2011 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions
*Mae
"Penn State is the standard for success with honor. Period. I can’t even believe we’re even discussing that" - ReadingRambler
by psuphysicist on Mar 25, 2011 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions
my mom's middle name!
Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do.
Benjamin Franklin
After the Bruce Pearl firing
Tressel is the only one of the dozen coaches to violate 10.1 and not get fired. If he doesn’t resign / get the ax, the NCAA will be in unchartered territory: what to do to a program when they don’t fire the offender. The underlying infraction is classified as “major,” even if it feels relatively minor (the players traded stuff that belonged to them).
If Tressel keeps his job, whatever the NCAA does, it will be the first time. They’ll be setting precident. When setting precident, the NCAA typically doesn’t go easy on programs.
I've got the brains. You've got the looks. Let's make lots of money.
I am happy to see tOSU crash and burn
We just need to step into the power void that is coming.
No one told you when to run, you missed the starting gun
Let's assume, for a moment, the worst in tOSU's case. Tressel, either voluntarily or involuntarily, moves on.
Will he be seen at the Corner Room?
Not if old Ricky boy has anything to say about it
I’m pretty sure he lives there now.
"Penn State is the standard for success with honor. Period. I can’t even believe we’re even discussing that" - ReadingRambler
by psuphysicist on Mar 25, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Possibly
Joe Paterno and Jimmy Sweatervest’s father (who was the head football coach at Baldwin Wallace, a D3 private school in Cleveland) were allegedly very good friends, to the point where Sweatervest knew Paterno growing up.
I've got the brains. You've got the looks. Let's make lots of money.
This is why the NCAA should be able to impose sanctions on whatever school hires Tress
So he doesn’t get out of this clean
by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Mar 25, 2011 5:49 PM EDT reply actions
This is Tressel's last job.
Whether it ends in 2011 or 2014-beyond. I’m at least pretty confident in that statement.
Doug: "Why don't you tell him that your total salary last year was tweleve dollars?!?"
Arthur: "That was after taxes!!!"
I would tend to agree with you
Why would he move on to another football program? He has been arguably the most successful coach (in terms of on the field performance) in the past decade at one of the premier football schools in the nation.
Why would he take another job where it would be nearly impossible to repeat that sort of success or that doesn’t carry as much prestige.
"Penn State is the standard for success with honor. Period. I can’t even believe we’re even discussing that" - ReadingRambler
by psuphysicist on Mar 26, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I am now in the growing camp
of firing beloved Coach Jim Tressel.
Coach, you are a great man. A great man caught in a great mistake. You are not bigger than the program however, and for the program’s sake you must go.
Doug: "Why don't you tell him that your total salary last year was tweleve dollars?!?"
Arthur: "That was after taxes!!!"
by JakeBuckeye on Mar 26, 2011 1:59 AM EDT reply actions 6 recs
Rec'd
because your the first Buckeye fan that I’ve heard actually say that. I am with dawson- you’ve earned a ton of respect points in my book as well (for whatever that’s worth)
"Penn State is the standard for success with honor. Period. I can’t even believe we’re even discussing that" - ReadingRambler
by psuphysicist on Mar 26, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Can someone point out the things that make Tressel a great man?
This isn’t snark. I really just don’t know. I know he runs a successful football program, and I hear this “great man” business bandied about a lot, but someone explain why he’s more Paterno than Bowden?
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Mar 26, 2011 1:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Also, as a show of good faith, I too have been known
…To wear sweaters of the vest persuasion.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Mar 26, 2011 1:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I own multiple sweater vests
Some of them argyle. By all accounts JT is a pretty good steward within the community of Columbus. Apparently he donates a lot of time to charity work and honoring our servicemen and women.
I’m too lazy to look up all of his good deeds, but I’m fairly certain that he does give back to the community at a much greater level than just the ‘for show’ that most college football coaches and professional athletes are known for. As hard as I am on the guy for turning a blind eye to a lot of these shannanigans, I think the general consensus is that he is a pretty good dude outside of the college football world.
"Penn State is the standard for success with honor. Period. I can’t even believe we’re even discussing that" - ReadingRambler
by psuphysicist on Mar 26, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
That's pretty cool.
Shiznit that is currently going down aside, it’s nice to hear about a coach that invests in the community he lives and works in. Especially when they’re compared to the coaches that hit and quit programs.
"I just wanted to thank you for everything you've done for this university." "Oh, I haven't done enough." - Joe Paterno.
How many times do I have to say this?
He beats Michigan a lot.
"Use their guts to lubricate our single leg attacks!" - Lycurgus
by ReadingRambler on Mar 26, 2011 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I won't even get into this with you,
but I’ll just say that I know I’m a terrible person and a crime against humanity for being an Ohio State fan.
Doug: "Why don't you tell him that your total salary last year was tweleve dollars?!?"
Arthur: "That was after taxes!!!"
by JakeBuckeye on Mar 26, 2011 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Some acts outside of the community do not make up for cheating for years and years and years. Think of Bob Knight. While he did a lot for many people in his life, I wouldn’t argue he was a great man because his flaws were far too obvious and destructive.
If anyone thinks Tressel wouldn’t be gone right now if Ohio State didn’t a) compete for the Big Ten every year and b) Beat Michigan every year, then they’re plumb nuts.
"Use their guts to lubricate our single leg attacks!" - Lycurgus
by ReadingRambler on Mar 27, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
". . . caught in a great mistake . . ."
Caught in a pattern of conduct that lends great credence to the claims that it’s not what he’s been caught doing, but also what he managed to get away with.
I mean, I know it’s hard to imagine the good senator doing more than this, but in a world where folks can imagine Penn State students throwing urine based on their reputation alone, then folks can also imagine the good senator committing other similar or worse violations (sometimes such imaginations bolstered by comments by former Buckeye players) based on his reputation alone.
Jake, in the past, has complained about people picking on him.
He can do that now if he chooses to for all I care, but I chose to respond to Collyer’s post because Jake’s not the first person to claim this oddly-dressed coach was a “great man”. That, in fact, seems to have become something of a running talking point amongst much of the media. They don’t appear to have any understanding of what a “great man” is and they are also totally unable to acknowledge that Tressel was never a great man and that he just looked like a great man in their eyes. I can’t blame them too much; do you like to admit it when you’ve been played like a fool (Especially when it’s likely you wanted to be played like a fool)?
I have no doubt that he did good things in some parts of the community. But much like another coach who did some good things for the community, that doesn’t overcome cheating, lying, and a good amont of arrogance.
Rock that late ’70s hair and Texas accent, Coach Tressel. Rock them both.
Oh, yeah, and much like our good friends Ron Meyer and SMU, I’m sure the larger Ohio State program had no clue as to what kind of crap was occuring in their midst. I’m sure of that. Totally. Absolutely.
"Use their guts to lubricate our single leg attacks!" - Lycurgus
by ReadingRambler on Mar 27, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you want me to admit I was a fool?
Because I will.
I was a fool. I thought Coach Tressel was a great coach.
But a great man he still is, and I will likely forever respect him in that spectrum.
Doug: "Why don't you tell him that your total salary last year was tweleve dollars?!?"
Arthur: "That was after taxes!!!"
I honestly can't argue with you, guy.
Believe me, I know. I’m damned to hell for being an Ohio State fan. I can’t argue with your logic.
Doug: "Why don't you tell him that your total salary last year was tweleve dollars?!?"
Arthur: "That was after taxes!!!"
Note: Making up things I never said or came close to saying and then acting like I said anything like them is no way to win an argument or even win the all-important battle of “Not looking like a fool.”
"Use their guts to lubricate our single leg attacks!" - Lycurgus
by ReadingRambler on Mar 27, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
No, you didn't say it.
But you act it. You HATE Ohio State, far past typical “sports hate.”
Doug: "Why don't you tell him that your total salary last year was tweleve dollars?!?"
Arthur: "That was after taxes!!!"
And Penn State students may not have thrown urine, but damnit,
they’re just the type of people who would!
Sigh.
I feel like it should be noted that opposing team bands
Enter AND Exit at the NW side of the field, meaning there’s a 98% chance that students were NOT involved, even if such a ridiculous scenario ever happened.
A student would have to sprint around half the circumference of Beaver Stadium as the band was leaving the stands after the game (while at some point stopping to piss in a balloon or bottle), and get there just in time for the sole purpose of dousing the OSU band with urine.
Indeed.
And, you won’t find a more boring, mostly older group of sections in the stadium. We have bigger problems—like telling people to sit down.
Well then, that might explain the need to urinate in something from in the stands
/ducks from old people since they have bad backs and can’t reach me if I crouch down low enough
See, I always prefer people to back up accusations with actual reasoning and facts (Or even things that aren’t facts but kinda look like facts! I’ll settle for that!) rather than just throwing terms and names around like a kid.
"Use their guts to lubricate our single leg attacks!" - Lycurgus
by ReadingRambler on Mar 27, 2011 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Cogntive dissonance?
Jim Smith is a community pillar. He is a boy scout leader, a church reader, drives a van for Toys For Tots, cans for the Soup Kitchen, volunteers with the local paramedics, and so on.
He’s also an investment banker.
One day, the community learns that he ran the largest ponzi scheme the region ever saw. He became rich through it, and as did others, but it is through this act that he funded his good will.
So, he’s a community pillar but a poor fiduciary?
I respectfully disagree, Jake.
The one completely bold, elephant sized difference there is
that ponzi man is harming individuals in a serious way. Sorry, but you can’t tell me that Jim Tressel is harming anybody here. You can’t really compare a ponzi scheme to an NCAA violation.
Doug: "Why don't you tell him that your total salary last year was tweleve dollars?!?"
Arthur: "That was after taxes!!!"
Tressel has harmed himself, the University, and everyone who blindly put their faith in his "upstanding
It’s about harm to the violator.
Whoops.
Not sure how I did that.
What I was trying to type was that, putting aside that Tressel has harmed entities (I left out the Big Ten), you can’t separate a person’s reputation into the arenas of existence.
The greatest community benefactor will suffer if it is learned that he cheated on his wife, had multiple illegitimate children, etc. The greatest community pillar will suffer if he committed an atrocious action which harmed a group other than his own community.
And the greatest senator will suffer if it is learned that despite the clean facade he carried both in his community and in his profession, his professional success was quite frequently dotted by lies, violations, and coverups.
I’m not a resident of Columbus, so perhaps the lack of rosy red glasses skews my opinions.
Once again,
the things you are comparing Tressel’s actions to are far worse than Tressel’s actual mistake. You seem to need a little bit of perspective.
An NCAA violation, major or minor, is incredibly minute when compared to: Ponzi schemes, adultery, and/or lies & corruption from people running our cities, states, and country.
I can’t really put it any other way. If an NCAA violation is tantamount to those things in your mind, then hey, we are always going to differ.
Doug: "Why don't you tell him that your total salary last year was tweleve dollars?!?"
Arthur: "That was after taxes!!!"
NCAA violations within the coaching ranks, especially when at a minimum the coach looks the other way, and at a maximum, when the coach actively conceals the violations to advance his team’s chances of success, are akin to quite serious violations in other professions. For example, perjury by an attorney, breach of fiduciary duty by a banker, falsifying research results by a professor, and so on.
And, once again, Tressel’s actions are not a mistake. They’re a pattern of conduct. Do it in the law, you’re sanctioned at best, disbarred at worst. In banking, you lose your licenses and your job. In research, you lose tenure, funding, and your job.
Perhaps you might need to adjust your perspective.
I want to emphasize this for the media:
And, once again, Tressel’s actions are not a mistake. They’re a pattern of conduct.
"Use their guts to lubricate our single leg attacks!" - Lycurgus
by ReadingRambler on Mar 27, 2011 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I already effing said!
I was in the camp of Tressel leaving, whether fired or forced resignation.
Somehow this has been lost in the conversation, which is mind boggling to me since that was the original comment to which all of these responses are coming from.
Doug: "Why don't you tell him that your total salary last year was tweleve dollars?!?"
Arthur: "That was after taxes!!!"
What has not been lost in the conversation is your opinion that he is a great man.
I won’t try to speak for MainLion, but I don’t like the application of that phrase.
"Use their guts to lubricate our single leg attacks!" - Lycurgus
by ReadingRambler on Mar 27, 2011 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Pardon me, but are we really to believe that Jim Tressel – a man entrusted by parents with their sons – isn’t maybe, just maybe harming them and their parents by cheating and lying?
Seriously? No, it’s not totally equivalent to a ponzi scheme, but that still doesn’t make it anything but weird to think Jim Tressel isn’t harming someone with his actions. He’s supposed to be teaching a bunch of twenty-somethings how to act like men. He’s not doing a heckuva job.
"Use their guts to lubricate our single leg attacks!" - Lycurgus
by ReadingRambler on Mar 27, 2011 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, why don't you ask Jim Tressel's former and current players?
And parents of those players?
Because I promise you, they will be his number one defense. Don’t forget I’m a guy who thinks Jim Tressel needs to go too.
Doug: "Why don't you tell him that your total salary last year was tweleve dollars?!?"
Arthur: "That was after taxes!!!"
If they came out like men, it was in spite of Tressel’s pattern of unsportsmanlike and frankly cowardly behavior.
As a matter of fact, it’s not even that rare for men to become healthy, functioning members of society after being tought by someone with undesirable traits. Once again, think Bob Knight. But, whether they like it or not, their defenses would not be enough to change the fact that a coach who cheats and lies will end up causing at least some level of unhealth in those around him.
A truly great man would be happy for each productive human being (Say, Robert Smith or Craig Krenzel), but never satisfied because of that one guy who ended up below where he should be (Say, Maurice Clarett). From Jim Tressel’s actions, it’s abundantly clear that he isn’t torn up by cheating and lying, didn’t – maybe he still doesn’t – fully understand (I won’t totally assume it was all the product of arrogance) the consequences of his actions as they may be felt by the players at Ohio State, the fans, or the school itself, and couldn’t transform his actions to prevent filth from floating around his program and himself.
In spite of himself, men were made.
"Use their guts to lubricate our single leg attacks!" - Lycurgus
by ReadingRambler on Mar 27, 2011 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
That is so incredibly omniscient of you to say!
In the words of now former Ohio State linebacker Ross Homan:
“Every player, past or present, they wouldn’t take 1 bullet, they’d take 2 bullets for that man.”
But Ross and numerous other former players are blinded and brainwashed, I know.
Doug: "Why don't you tell him that your total salary last year was tweleve dollars?!?"
Arthur: "That was after taxes!!!"
Once again, good day,
As a stated in the comment at the bottom of the page. I’ll try my best to make this my last comment.
Doug: "Why don't you tell him that your total salary last year was tweleve dollars?!?"
Arthur: "That was after taxes!!!"
I feel bad for most Buckeye fans
This has to suck and the quicker it is over the better so we can stop all this and get back our regularly programed hate (you know the one I mean).
My coach is better than your coach
For just one second, I say screw my no politics rule.
But Ross and numerous other former players are blinded and brainwashed, I know.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkAUrPHLkA8
"Use their guts to lubricate our single leg attacks!" - Lycurgus
by ReadingRambler on Mar 27, 2011 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
There’s this little kid who lives in Washington Court House. His name is James Jonathan, but everyone just calls him Jonny. He once said he was the biggest Buckeye fan in all of Fayette County. But now he feels sad because he heard his Daddy talking to Mommy’s brother who went to Cincy for undergrad and Michigan for postgrad. Mommy’s brother said Jim Tressel was a “liar and a cheater” and Jonny’s Dad just shook his head, sighed, and said “Yeah, I don’t know what I’m gonna tell Jonny. Especially since I just told him not to cheat on his math homework.”
So, why do you and Jim Tressel hate the children? Why, Jake? Why?
"Use their guts to lubricate our single leg attacks!" - Lycurgus
by ReadingRambler on Mar 27, 2011 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Jim Tressel:
The reason America’s children are worsening.
Doug: "Why don't you tell him that your total salary last year was tweleve dollars?!?"
Arthur: "That was after taxes!!!"
Tressel is a great man
just like Warren G Harding was a great president.
by The JuggerNitt on Mar 29, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
But Tressel's not even good-looking
jtothetweet
"Cats been getting hookups on tatts since back in '01". - former buckeye Antonio Pittman
Harding interests me. I'm looking to find some bios on him.
For all his scandals, I’ve read that the recession he dealt with in the early ‘20s was actually stronger (According to modern standards of calculation) than parts of the Great Depression under Hoover and possibly Roosevelt as well. And yet it didn’t last very long – hence America’s memory of the “Roaring ’20s”.
But, yeah, the corruption wasn’t cool.
"Use their guts to lubricate our single leg attacks!" - Lycurgus
by ReadingRambler on Mar 29, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Gladwell's got a chapter on him
in Blink. Cited as an example of ‘thin-slicing,’ a subconscious act we humans perpetrate regularly whilst understanding little about. E.g., in Harding’s case: ‘hey, there’s a handsome lad. Just looks like a leader. Let’s make him President.’
jtothetweet
"Cats been getting hookups on tatts since back in '01". - former buckeye Antonio Pittman
I haven't read Blink.
I have read Outliers, though. Is Blink good?
This is BSD, the crazy stirs itself.
Yeah, it is
Cool notions of the decision-making that goes on behind our conscious analysis (or over-analysis if you’re so afflicted, as I am).
I’m in reverse: haven’t read Outliers.
jtothetweet
"Cats been getting hookups on tatts since back in '01". - former buckeye Antonio Pittman
You should.
It’s a good read. He’s a pretty interesting writer.
"I just wanted to thank you for everything you've done for this university." "Oh, I haven't done enough." - Joe Paterno.
A man as smart as Gladwell probably knows he’s about the millionth guy to write about that. I’d say that’s an incredibly phenomenon, one both easily noticed and hard to detect.
"Use their guts to lubricate our single leg attacks!" - Lycurgus
by ReadingRambler on Mar 29, 2011 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
incredibly obvious and recurring
"Use their guts to lubricate our single leg attacks!" - Lycurgus
by ReadingRambler on Mar 29, 2011 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
At the risk of getting political
Harding was the first coming of Bill Clinton. Scandals everywhere, a few debatable policy choices, but oddly a likable guy in spite of them, and relatively fiscally sound.
I've got the brains. You've got the looks. Let's make lots of money.
basically what you and jtot have said
a guy with a lot of shady goings on, but a “likable” guy and one that “looks the part”
by The JuggerNitt on Apr 1, 2011 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Props for coming onto an opposing board and saying as much sir.
You get a ton of respect from me. If we had more people like Tressel is outside the university we’d be better nation. It’s a shame is behavior in dealing with his job wasn’t as exemplary.
"This is being a Penn State fan. We’ll prove it, or we won’t. It’s not about proving it to them, it’s about proving to ourselves."
I'm sure OSU will bounce back,
everyone will resume their internet bickering and everything will be back to normal. Good luck next year. This off-season has been rough for the Buckeyes.
"I just wanted to thank you for everything you've done for this university." "Oh, I haven't done enough." - Joe Paterno.
And I was obviously completely mistaken.
The bickering is still alive and well.
"I just wanted to thank you for everything you've done for this university." "Oh, I haven't done enough." - Joe Paterno.
This doesn't fit the dictionary's definition of "bickering"
"Use their guts to lubricate our single leg attacks!" - Lycurgus
by ReadingRambler on Mar 27, 2011 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd like to think that I speak for the silent majority
But probably just speak for me: take a break, read a book, kiss a girl … anything. Get help.
by kijana's acl on Mar 27, 2011 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I wake up every day and say, “I’d like to have an argument please!”
"Use their guts to lubricate our single leg attacks!" - Lycurgus
by ReadingRambler on Mar 27, 2011 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, it's close enough.
It looks to be rooted in the same intent. Only it’s over the internet, which makes it much worse.
"I just wanted to thank you for everything you've done for this university." "Oh, I haven't done enough." - Joe Paterno.
Agree to disagree.
"Use their guts to lubricate our single leg attacks!" - Lycurgus
by ReadingRambler on Mar 27, 2011 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Mr. Tressel your strugglebus is here to take you to your NCAA meeting
Ticking away the moments that make up a dull day, you fritter and waste the hours in an offhand way.
To: Reading Rambler & MainLion
You guys have both seemed to have forgotten that the original comment all of your responses are coming from are me stating my desire for the dismissal of Jim Tressel. I was going to respond with a somewhat too personal story for a message board, but then I realized just re-stating my original comment would suffice. Good day to the both of you.
Doug: "Why don't you tell him that your total salary last year was tweleve dollars?!?"
Arthur: "That was after taxes!!!"
I got slight flashbacks of skins4ever.
We need another one of those.
This is BSD, the crazy stirs itself.
So, uh, that escalated rather quickly.
And I’m sorry about that. My question wasn’t meant to engender all those loud noises.
Always nice to have visitors from other parts. We can disagree and debate without losing our minds.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Mar 28, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I know you may not be suggesting it, but I want to state for the record that neither MainLion nor I lost our minds there.
Not even close. I know from experience.
MainLion, it was so cool you probably could have eaten one of your filthy New York apples while typing, huh?
"Use their guts to lubricate our single leg attacks!" - Lycurgus
by ReadingRambler on Mar 28, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
You're going to request AC
to change his avatar now, aren’t you?
" When you cross that Blue Line, you are mine...Across the Blue Line, it's all football. " " And what you need to do in your life is paint Blue Lines everywhere. " - Joe Paterno 2009
by BlueWhiteLife on Mar 28, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I think this thread needs to chill a bit
Look, I will flat out admit I don’t like Tressel. After this story broke, I’d probably go as far as to say I despise the guy. He might be a very good coach, and a good man outside of football by being involved in community and charity events, and with all my heart, I respect the hell out of that.
However, on the other hand, what has come to light in the past few weeks with all of this is that behind closed doors, Tressel is as dirty as every other scumbag coach in the nation like Saban, Miles, Meyer, Spurrier, and Kiffen. Tressel was caught lying flat out, and the whole university had to go into damage control and make up a BS story about Tressel, “not knowing who to talk to” even though there was a NCAA compliance officer EMPLOYED at tOSU. At the presser, Tressel and Smith both denied that the e-mails were forwarded to anyone, and lo and behold three weeks later, that turns out to be a complete lie, and a shady “businessman” who happened to be from Pryor’s hometown was informed of the allegations against the guy’s “friend”, Pryor.
But what I’m trying to say is that even though the guy is as big of a scumbag as we suspected he was as the head of a tOSU’s football program, it doesn’t mean he hasn’t given back to his community. His public persona, and his professional persona can be two different things. One is of a guy that is involved in charities and philanthropy, the other is a one that will do anything, and break the rules to get ahead and make sure his team isn’t punished for crimes they committed by flat out lying then trying to make himself out as the victim.
I really, really don't think this thread is that bad.
"Use their guts to lubricate our single leg attacks!" - Lycurgus
by ReadingRambler on Mar 28, 2011 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm really not trying to say that what Tressel did was anywhere near the same level
but wasn’t Dennis Rader (BTK) a pretty prominent member of his church’s congregation? I’d imagine he gave back a lot to his community. He was also a troop leader for boy scouts. I think he got fired from a bunch of his jobs, too, so his professional life wasn’t all that successful, but that’s not really the point I’m getting at. Basically, just because you do a lot for your community doesn’t necessarily make you a great man. See also: catholic priests who molest children (again, really not trying to compare the severity of the offenses, just using hyperbolic examples to get the point across that people with major flaws can still do good deeds)
by The JuggerNitt on Mar 29, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I think was supposed to be my point: bad people can do good things
vise versa works as well, but my own image of Tressel is a bad guy who does good stuff occasionally. But my intended point was essentially exactly what you were saying.
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