Getting To Know You: Q&A with Nebraska Blog Corn Nation - Part 2
When we last spoke with our corn feed brothers in the midwest, we discussed the general background information. This week we take a look at Nebraska football.
What is the biggest difference from the Bill Callahan era (27-22) and the current Bo Pelini era (30-12)? Just the offense, or something more?
HM: Defense. In November 2007, Nebraska gave up nearly as many points in three games as they gave up the entire 2009 season.
Jon: Bo Pelini’s biggest fault appears to be how he handles the media. Bill Callahan’s biggest fault was that he couldn’t teach players his 500-page playbook, he broke Nebraska’s winning streak and bowl season streaks without giving them much thought and he pissed all over a number of Nebraska traditions on his way to total suck.
That and we have a defense.
It seems that Coach Pelini's name always comes up in the off-season for various head coaching positions and he has yet to pay them any attention. But what happens when the Ohio State job opens up (Pelini was a former co-captain and 2 year starter back in 1987-90)? Do you think Pelini would jump ship and head to a now conference rival?
HM: Hard to say. It’s hard to reject the lure of home. A lot depends on the roots Pelini puts down here. I get the feeling he likes it here.
Jon: Leave for OHIO STATE? WTF?
Are you happy with the move from the Big 12 to the Big 10? It seems that Nebraska has the academics and athletics to fit in nicely in the Big 10.
HM: Husker fans liked to ridicule Big Ten football in the past. But considering how things were going in the Big XII, we’re happy to be gone. The Big Ten is a nice home athletically, and a huge jump academically.
Jon: Not at all. I hate change. I would have loved to stay in a conference that could disintegrate at any time, is heavily skewed towards it’s southern members, and doesn’t have the academic prestige of the Big Ten. I’m particularly upset that I’ll be able to see tons of Husker coverage on the Big Ten Network and that my alma mater will benefit financially from a conference that does things the right way.
Mostly, though, I’m really disgusted at the thought of playing Iowa every year. How the hell have you people tolerated that all these years?
Give us your thoughts on the new look Big 10. Do you like how the divisions shook out?
HM: We’re all taking crash courses in the Big 10, but frankly, I don’t see how they could have done it much differently, other than maybe include Wisconsin in the west division. (Oops; I don’t think I’m supposed to say that.) But then you knock the division balance out of whack.
Jon: I mentioned Iowa, right? Then there’s Michigan, who probably won’t notice us much because they’ll be all worried about what Ohio State is doing every moment of the season. Minnesota... well, I live in Minnesota, so I’ll get to see more Husker sports live. Michigan State can play our former psychotic girlfriend (always interesting!) while Northwestern can get us a better job.
Then there’s you guys and I mentioned that I’m still not over 1982. Other than swapping Iowa for Wisconsin (for the beer, mostly) - what’s to hate?
And speaking of divisions, how do you feel about "Leaders" and Legends"?
HM: We’re the new guys, and so we’re supposed to only say nice things about the conference. So I’ll only mention that each division name has seven characters in it.
Jon: About the same way I feel about an ice cream beer float. What friggin’ idiot thinks that would be a good idea? (And then they did it twice.)
Was Texas the Big 12's big, bad, wolf as it seemed from the East Coast (and anywhere other than Austin) or did the media blow the hatred for all things Burnt Orange out of proportion?
HM: Well, we here think that Texas was the big bad wolf that the Big XII revolves around. From our perspective, Texas calls their shots and, for the most part, everybody else follows. It’s an unstable situation, and that was one of the biggest reasons why Nebraska jumped when the opportunity presented itself. Better to be proactive than wait and hope something’s available when Texas decides to bolt.
Jon: Texas is a really nice state full of really nice people and good looking women. Unfortunately, only the good looking women attend the University of Texas. That’s all I have to say about that.
Which Big 12 game will you miss the most?
HM: Nebraska vs. Oklahoma... now a part-time rivalry game, which really led to Nebraska’s departure when you think about it.
Jon: I’ll miss playing our former Big Eight counterparts because I spent most of my life watching them. I’m pretty sure I’ll get over it the first time we beat Michigan, you guys, and Iowa, so it won’t take very long.
Penn State is no stranger to awkward off-season QB news (especially this off-season). What's the story with your QB, Taylor Martinez? Now that he is staying, is the job still his? Or will it be an open competition (something PSU fans are hoping we have with our own Spring QB battle)?
HM: Once we get past the coaching drama, that’s the next one. Martinez was a redshirt freshman with incredible speed. He’s still learning how to play the game, and frankly, needs to learn to be a leader. As you may have seen in September and October, when he’s healthy, he has the potential to be one of the biggest game changers in football. But then he got hurt against Missouri, and his confidence suffered. We’ll see how he responds. Two freshmen will try to unseat him this spring: Jamaal Turner and Brion Carnes. I think it’ll be an open competition.
Jon: Second Mike’s answer. It’ll always be an open competition. Given that we have a new offensive coordinator, it might be more open than any of us think.
Entering 2011, what are your expectations for the Cornhuskers? Do you think they have a shot at winning their division (Legends) to earn a spot in the first ever Big 10 Championship Game?
HM: Wow, I don’t even want to think about that right now. We’ve got a lot to digest, and frankly, we’re moving into unfamiliar territory as we’re facing teams that we’ve only seen little bits of highlights of. I think they definitely have a shot to win the west (oops, there I go again) and make it to Indianapolis.
Jon: We will crush everyone in our path. I say that mostly because it’s February, and I’m as right as anyone else is right now.
Any key losses from 2010 that Nebraska will need to replace in 2011?
HM: Biggest ones are in the secondary: CB Prince Amukamara, safety Dejon Gomes, and nickel back Eric Hagg will be sorely missed. Those guys were rock solid. Can’t forget kicker/punter Alex Henery; how he didn’t get into the Lou Groza competition, I’ll never know. Offensively, I think it’s more of a matter of finding more consistency across the board.
Jon: See how Mike takes all the good answers? He always does that. We might miss Ricky Henry, our right guard. I am not sold on that, however.
Extremely early prediction - Nebraska's record in 2011?
HM: From my perspective, Nebraska could’ve and should’ve beaten everybody in their path this season. They dropped 4 touchdowns against Texas, and stumbled and bumbled their way at A&M. They had a lead on Oklahoma. But they didn’t...and that’s the X-factor. So now we get 11 new opponents that we’ve only seen on television, and really only just began to follow. We’ve got to do our homework on the Big Ten and our opponents. So I’m going to wuss out and go 9-3.
Jon: Didn’t I just say we’d crush everyone?
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They're Nebraska fans.
They all actually believe they’re going to go 13-0. I refuse to accept any other answer from them.
"Hi, I'm Bob Evil!"
To be fair
I think we’ll go 14-0 next year. I also understand that I sound crazy to all but a select group of crazies. I’m not helping my sanity cause.
"Penn State is the standard for success with honor. Period. I can’t even believe we’re even discussing that" - ReadingRambler
by psuphysicist on Mar 3, 2011 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, there's a lot of good looking women in Austin
glad we see eye to eye.
"Life is no way to treat an animal"
you look into their eyes?
stronger man than I
by The JuggerNitt on Mar 3, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
Question
Who do you think wins 1994 PSU-Neb BCS championship game? I am going with PSU, but may be biased (and bitter). That was my senior year and it really hurt to not be arbitrarily given the MNC.
No one told you when to run, you missed the starting gun
Please not another one of these.
Andy P skers94 will come in here and start replying to himself again.
Seriously, he’s back in the old thread a) posting comments and then replying to them nearly a week later and b) saying Nebraska would kill Collins because Nebraska killed Wyoming’s quarterback. This is totally relevant because Wyoming had lineman who were all superior to Bucky Greeley (All Big Ten), Jeff Hartings (NFL), Marco Rivera (NFL), and Andre Johnson (All Big Ten).
"Hi, I'm Bob Evil!"
by ReadingRambler on Mar 3, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
As soon as I saw that question
I thought, “Oh please don’t start this again.” Let’s all just agree to disagree and move on before we internet kill each other.
Carpe the diem. Sieze the carp.
Ok, I didn't know this was so touchy
I thought someone might have a reasonable explanation to their argument, but I am happy to agree to disagree. I can’t wait to play Nebraska though!
No one told you when to run, you missed the starting gun
Check the comments in part one
Reasonable explanation would be welcome, however, it just turned into one guy shouting at himself. It’s not really a touchy subject to sane, rational people. Sometimes those people are hard to find on the interwebs though.
Carpe the diem. Sieze the carp.
Yes, I made the mistake
of trying to debate him on that subject in that thread. He also tried to say that we faced no defense that year anywhere close to being as good as Nebraska’s (ahem… Illinois?). Yet when I made the point that, conversely, Nebraska faced no offense close to ours, well, that didn’t matter, because Nebraska had shut down Colorado. I then decided to bang my head against a wall.
Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed.
Illinois had Simeon Rice (NFL star), Kevin Hardy (Butkus winner), and Dana Howard (Butkus Winner) among others. But, hey, the Big Ten sucked. I mean, no one in that league was close to the level of Oklahoma State or Kansas State.
"Hi, I'm Bob Evil!"
by ReadingRambler on Mar 3, 2011 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
94 Nebraska
had a future Lombardi winner/ high 1st rd NFL draft pick, two time AA, two time Big 8 player of the year in the rotation at defensive end, several future NFL DT’s, another AA DE in the rotation, a 94 AA middle linebacker, other LB’s that played in the NFL, a 9 year NFL starter at FS, the other safety, a 5 year NFL career, one corner started for 6-7 years for GB and the other corner just finished a long career in the CFL as one of the best corners the CFL has ever seen.
But they couldn’t handle 94 PSU… my butt
94 Nebraska defense better than any poor defense that ran up defensive stats in the slow as mud Big 10. Sort of like 97 Mich and 07 Oh St. What am I saying? I’m saying defenses that appeared on paper, i.e. 94 Illinois, were all smoke and mirrors no substance. Paper tigers is another name for them. They looked great on paper because the offenses that they faced in the Big 10 were devoid of any real talent or playmakers.
I guarantee that if the BCS had been in place in 97, that Mich would have suffered the same fate that 07 Oh St did. Got shamed and embarresed when they stepped out from behind the protection of the Big 10.
by Andy P skers94 on Mar 18, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Did 94 Illinois
have about 12 guys from the two deep roster on defense go on to the NFL? About half of which become starters for at least one year.
Didn’t think so.
by Andy P skers94 on Mar 19, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
lets see..
A comparison
94 Colorado
K. Stewart Qb – JOurneyman Qb in NFL, Collins not much better, although hung around longer
R. Salaam Rb Heisman winner, NFL flop just like K. Carter
wr Caruth- know his story
wr Westbrook
te C. Fauria very long NFl career
G H. Irwin long time NFl starter
G C. Naeole long time NFL starter
Scratch Salaam and Carter, an absolute wash. Both good college backs, but flopped in NFL.
Same for Fauria and Brady. Two very good college and NFL tight ends
Offensive lines for 94 PSU and 94 Colorado are largely very similar, another wash. Both had talent and both had NFl and all conference players. FYI.. 94 Nebraska D line dominated the 94 Colorado O line.
WR groups.. Engram was nice, a nice NFL career but he is nothing more than a slot wr, or possession type guy. Not a true number one wr. Don’t tell me about Joe J. He was a freshman backup that played very little. Talent wise Westbrook and Carruth are pretty darn close to whatever 94 PSu puts on the field. Another wash. Neither PSU or Colorado has an edge.
AS for the QB spot, I will give 94 PSu a slight edge only because Collins played longer in the NFL, although was really nothing more than a journeyman. Never a front line, never talked about as one of the best qb’s in the NFL.
So, really the only edge 94 PSU has over 94 COlorado on offense is a slight edge at QB. The other groups of players are pretty darn similar in talent. But, Nebraska never played an offense anywhere close to 94 PSU. COugh! Cough!
Did you see what Stewart, Salamm and Co did to the Fighting Irish in the Fiesta Bowl?
Same thing they would have done to the 94 PSU defense.
Frankly, I’m not convinced that the 2nd best team in 1994 wasn’t Colorado. They at least played some defense.
by Andy P skers94 on Mar 18, 2011 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow, I just read that
that’s dangerously sociopathic behavior. I’m glad I’m not on that guy’s mail route.
I totally like that last comment I posted.
by MainLion on Mar 3, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That last comment is the bomb, and the original one is great, too.
I rule.
by MainLion on Mar 3, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The Hawkeyes might exceed expectations this year.
A comment by ReadingRambler.
"Hi, I'm Bob Evil!"
by ReadingRambler on Mar 3, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
I know people think Stanzi’s departure may be a crippling factor, but James Vandenberg isn’t weak sauce. He’s battle tested and ready for more football.
Also, Iowa totally crushed Eastern Illinois’s statue quarterback so they will totally crush Penn State’s statue quarterback as there is little difference between EIU’s offensive line and Penn State’s offensive line.
"Hi, I'm Bob Evil!"
by ReadingRambler on Mar 3, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
Also, Mitch Daniels is very handsome.
"Hi, I'm Bob Evil!"
by ReadingRambler on Mar 3, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
Wait, that's not his name.
Talk about brain farts. I meant Mike Daniels.
"Hi, I'm Bob Evil!"
by ReadingRambler on Mar 3, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
But Mike Daniels is very handsome and is probably talented enough to become Governor of Iowa while playing football.
"Hi, I'm Bob Evil!"
by ReadingRambler on Mar 3, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
There is also Lebron Daniel.
He combines the power of LeBron James with the power of the guy from the Bible. How about that, huh? Impressive, yo.
"Hi, I'm Bob Evil!"
by ReadingRambler on Mar 3, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
He posts like someone with Alzheimers.
Sometimes he’d reply to the same post twice, not even replying to the reply (which is what Rambler does when he steals a thread [see below]). It’s almost like he completely forgot that he had already replied, and just compulsively posted again and again.
It made me uncomfortable.
So he's basically an 80 year old me.
"Hi, I'm Bob Evil!"
by ReadingRambler on Mar 3, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
He even takes the time to blame that, whatchacall it, server, or computer, or internet pipes/dumptruck...
for massive repetition. You might be onto something.
Now what I want to know is who put that damned telephone pole behind my car? I checked my mirrors, damn it, and I know it wasn’t there until after I put it in reverse.
by MainLion on Mar 3, 2011 12:08 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
ha ha ha ha
Old people are funny.
"Hi, I'm Bob Evil!"
by ReadingRambler on Mar 3, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
Give yourself a little more credit, man
To be fair, I think most Nebraska fans would probably cringe if they read that thread. I’m not going to let one bad apple ruin the whole batch.
Of course I don’t know enough about Nebraska fans to know if the whole batch is rotten, but I’ll have to reserve judgment.
In general, Nebraska fans are great
at least that has been my experience. I couldn’t help but to comment on that dead thread as well though, it just blew my mind.
Actually, I work with a Nebraska guy and he is one of the more knowledgeable college football fans I know. He also enjoys reasonable debate. I would cast this guy in the xxx123/richardaceto category
"Penn State is the standard for success with honor. Period. I can’t even believe we’re even discussing that" - ReadingRambler
Yeah I try to reserve judgment
because if there was some Nebraska site out there in the netherwebs and RA or xxx321 or SCTowny popped up there, I wouldn’t want them judging us as a fanbase based up on their activity.
But then again, those guys would probably argue that Nebraska would have destroyed us, that Joe Paterno spends a max of 10 minutes at practice, that our S&C program is the worst in sports (professional or amateur) and that either the sky is falling or the ground is rising.
by OctaShields on Mar 3, 2011 1:36 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I'd also like to point out...
…that the dude has never been a part of Cornnation or really any other SB Nation blog until recently. Husker fans have a lot of decent message boards out there but I’m thinking thats where a lot of the crazies cogregate and maybe Andy was let out of the cage accidently.
That is why SB Nation is so appealing in that you generally avoid unbalanced, illiterate, and non-computer savy folks. If you want to make a point make it clear, concise, and, if at all possible, humorous. Case in point:
You stole ’82 from us. We got it back in ’94.
Check. Mate.
You may have a point there,
but as anyone who has watched the 30 for 30 episode about SMU knows, they would have killed both PSU and Nebraska, or any combination of the best players from each of those teams.
Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed.
We didn't steal anything from you.
I’m so tired of this crap. You guys have spent twenty eight years acting like it was an obvious call. Guess what? It wasn’t.
And all we wanted was a tie in ’94 anyway. Tools.
"Hi, I'm Bob Evil!"
by ReadingRambler on Mar 3, 2011 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
I still want both schools to sack up and put the 82 and 94 trophies (and claim to them in program material) up for stake in the rivalry game.
by The JuggerNitt on Mar 3, 2011 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
No, I won't accept that either.
Nebraska may have gotten screwed in ‘82. They act like the call was obvious and it wasn’t. I have yet to see any replay that’s good enough for me to call him in or out of bounds. I don’t even care what McCloskey says, I care what my own eyes say.
So the difference is that Nebraska may have gotten screwed in ‘82 whereas Penn State couldn’t even get a freaking tie in ’94 because the jerkoff voters in Ohio and Michigan all voted for Nebraska.
"Hi, I'm Bob Evil!"
by ReadingRambler on Mar 3, 2011 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
I am, however, willing to say Nebraska was at least the second best team in the country that year and considerably better than SMU, Georgia, or Pitt. If Penn State and Nebraska had played ten times, the result is probably dead even.
"Hi, I'm Bob Evil!"
by ReadingRambler on Mar 3, 2011 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
Regardless of the McCloskey call
in ‘82, the 2 teams played each other. That call wasn’t a “pass interference on Chis Gamble” gamebreaker that was all or nothing for the entire game result.
Assuming arguendo that it wasn’t a catch. The game would have gone on, and the same result could have been reached.
Contrast that with the 94 “championship” which was awarded entirely on paper. It’s a different consideration entirely.
Arg YOUR endo
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
Like Oy! My Endo?
jtothetweet
"Cats been getting hookups on tatts since back in '01". - former buckeye Antonio Pittman
Yes, really.
Blackledge would have had two more downs to work with. I’ve watched the game before and I think I’d take Blackledge, Jackson, Bowman, McCloskey, and Garrity over UN-L’s (It’s the offical acronym, yo) iffy secondary.
"Hi, I'm Bob Evil!"
by ReadingRambler on Mar 3, 2011 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
I appreciate that you italicized arguendo
Brilliant minds at work here.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
haha
I did it knowing that 3/4 of you are lawyers. I’m still stuck reading cases and borrowing money, so this is my life.
That's OK. I promise you it could be worse.
You could be citing cases in your briefs and then paying back all the money you borrowed.
Your call.
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
You're a good dude and all
But I’m pretty sure we don’t need to hear what you’re citing in your briefs.
jtothetweet
"Cats been getting hookups on tatts since back in '01". - former buckeye Antonio Pittman
Right now
on BSD there is a comment with arguendo
At the same moment on BHGP there is this….
"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable
by ClaybornSmash on Mar 3, 2011 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
Meh.
I mean, that thread is great and all, but it’s no sociology class at jNU.

On a related note, I’ll never use my sawzall with a pure mind again.
It truly is amazing
I wish I had a guest lecturer like that
"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable
by ClaybornSmash on Mar 3, 2011 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
I like how he posted
an article from Bleacher Report (that he wrote!) as proof that there’s no way possible that Penn State could have possibly beaten Nebraska that year.
Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed.
Ah
I didn’t bother to click the link. I should have known that clown was a special, BR clown.
"Hi, I'm Bob Evil!"
by ReadingRambler on Mar 3, 2011 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
Wait
he wrote that article? Oh that’s priceless. I didn’t bother reading it but that just makes it that much better.
Carpe the diem. Sieze the carp.
I wish I could find that pic
of Ed Hightower looking at Ed Hightower on the replay monitor. That’s a perfect visual of that dude’s arguments.
Carpe the diem. Sieze the carp.
Rec'd...
but I’m disappointed because I take such joy in posting this image
Selling my Big Ten Championship rings since 2005....
@ArtieFufkin10
by Artiefufkin10 on Mar 3, 2011 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
Hightower is always hilarious:


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Well, unless he’s actually calling a game involving your team.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Mar 3, 2011 4:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Man those are glorious
Selling my Big Ten Championship rings since 2005....
@ArtieFufkin10
by Artiefufkin10 on Mar 3, 2011 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't know what awesome was
until I saw Ed Hightower on a speeder bike.
Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed.
by icavalera on Mar 3, 2011 9:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And good God, man, that article reeks of borderline illiteracy.
What’s humorous is that if you click his author biography, you learn that his Twitter handle is “ProfPurvis”.
And if you look at some of the B/R “articles” he wrote, he engages in debate/thought sharing with someone on B/R with the handle “Professor Purvis”.
Sociopath much?
I'm actually going to stop saying anything about him
People with behavior patterns like that won’t NOT track and kill me
How many times
have you glanced behind you since posting this?
I’d also check under your car before getting in after work today. A razor to the achilles …
"You're holding my hand Chuck - you sly dog!"
Be afraid
In the comments of his BR article he mentions he’s gonna make the trip to Penn State for the game.
Talk about hide ya kids, hide ya wife.
I've argued the point a few times
that I think Penn State would have won a “championship game” in 1994, because it’s an interesting topic as a Penn State fan.
But dude is absolutely tilting at windmills on this one. He’s entirely obsessed with a hypothetical situation. And, it turns out, the game never having been played worked out expressly in his favor. I’m not sure why it would even matter as much to a Nebraska fan as a Penn State fan, since we’re the ones that got jobbed, but it’s downright frightening to see the amount of time and (twisted, illogical) thought he’s put into it.
The fact that he's a Nebraska fan
and is so obsessed with it is what took me aback about his comments in the first place. And I tried to use the “you’re trying way too hard to prove something that can’t be proven” argument with him, but obviously that had no effect on him.
Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed.
I ended up having to comment on that
He was just too crazy… This coming from an Iowa fan during Marchifornication.
"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable
by ClaybornSmash on Mar 3, 2011 1:08 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Michigan is really who we should blame
for our not getting a share of that title. If they wouldn’t have given that Stewart-to-Westbrook game away against Colorado, they would have been undefeated going into our game against them. Conversely, Nebraska’s win over Colorado wouldn’t have been quite as impressive as it seemed at the time. Maybe at least one of the polls would have played out differently. Ok, maybe I’m reaching here, but I really just wanted to find a way to blame Michigan for something.
Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed.
that, plus the voters from Michigan voting for Nebraska
by The JuggerNitt on Mar 3, 2011 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
And you know what? I really think Nebraska would have crushed Michigan in ’97. So suck it, AP voters in Michigan.
"Hi, I'm Bob Evil!"
by ReadingRambler on Mar 3, 2011 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, as much as I didn't want to admit it at the time
(still being bitter from ‘94 and all), I think you’re right about ’97.
Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed.
Ain't no question..
That anemic 97 Mich offense was a joke. There is a reason that C. Woodson played WR. Because they had not one reasonable down-field threat at that position. If they had someone, they aren’t going to take reps away. The 97 Blackshirts would have ate Griese for lunch, just like they ate just about every other stand in the pocket, can’t move, slow footed qb during the mid 90’s.
If NU and Mich had played in 97 outcome is probably very similar to what happened to P. Manning and Tenn in OB. There are some interesting correlations about 97 MIch and 07 Oh ST. All anyone heard from Mich/Big 10 supporters was how great that defense was, that they were one of the best of all time. Move ahead to 2007 Oh st and same song and dance about the 2007 Oh St defense that set a bunch of record. Only difference… They couldn’t hide out in the protection of the Rose Bowl and got exposed. I guess the reason 07 Oh St set all those records on defense is the anemic offenses of the Big 10. Ditto for 97 Mich. 97 Mich played 5 Big 10 opponents that went to bowl games (they all lost). Of those opponents, those offenses had more total offense, scored more points on average against the 97 Mich defense than they did the bowl opponents that each played at end of year.
by Andy P skers94 on Mar 18, 2011 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh, you can blame Michigan.
There was a map I once saw that showed how the AP voters voted in ’94 and ’97 (A Google search now for “1994 ap voters map” just gives you pictures of Obama and the ’94 election). As I recall, basically every voter in Michigan and Ohio voted for Nebraska in ’94 but against Nebraska in ’97.
"Hi, I'm Bob Evil!"
by ReadingRambler on Mar 3, 2011 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
also
is it coincidence that Grand Rapids (where it appears that lone PSU logo is…though maybe that’s Kalamazoo) is the only non $#!Thole city in the state?
by The JuggerNitt on Mar 3, 2011 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
Ugh
Pittsburgh too. Screw them all.
"Hi, I'm Bob Evil!"
by ReadingRambler on Mar 3, 2011 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
Beano the drunken gas bag
The footnote credits him with the ’burgh vote.
by Frank O'Brien on Mar 3, 2011 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
Big Ten loyalty in the house.
Now show the ‘97 map. Show it in all of it’s hypocritical glory.
"Hi, I'm Bob Evil!"
by ReadingRambler on Mar 3, 2011 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
I actually don't recall ever seeing the 97 map
nor do I know where to find it :-\
I imagine what it looks like, though
by The JuggerNitt on Mar 3, 2011 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
SHOW IT DAMMIT!
jtothetweet
"Cats been getting hookups on tatts since back in '01". - former buckeye Antonio Pittman
So.. that leads us to the other part or first part of your statement;
So.. that leads us to the other part or first part of your statement;
So.. that leads us to the other part or first part of your statement;Wow, that was some sort of fun, I again apoligize and hope he doesn’t return for this thread. In my defense I was away that week on a ski trip and am too lazy to actually click the part one at the beginning of this post.
No one told you when to run, you missed the starting gun
You can't use that line of thinking with him,
because Nebraska crushed a Colorado offense “loaded with NFL talent”, so therefore they would have also crushed a Penn State team also loaded with NFL talent. Transitive property, my friend.
Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed.
man, he's still going strong
he also has some grudge against JoePa and Penn State after JoePa grabbed the official after the 2002 game saying that no one from Nebraska has embarrassed the program after some bad calls. I post a link to the Carl Pelini punch FROM LIKE 4 MONTHS AGO!!! and he replies “16-2 (really 18-2) differential in penalties. Pretty clear what was going on that night” as some sort of excuse.
Why do I always feel the need to converse with crazy people? It is like I somehow think I can talk the crazy out of them.
by The JuggerNitt on Mar 3, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
If he comes into this thread
can everyone please agree to complete ignore everything he says.
I’m serious. No responses whatsoever. I don’t care how badly tempted you are to correct or add logic to the conversation. I don’t want to see another RichardAceto incident.
I'm on board with that
reasonable debate and logic aren’t his strong suits. Engaging him will just serve to give me an aneurism.
"Penn State is the standard for success with honor. Period. I can’t even believe we’re even discussing that" - ReadingRambler
I can promise that for this thread
but that other thread is still fair game. (I still have a ton of that Costco Troll Food I gotta get rid of)
by The JuggerNitt on Mar 3, 2011 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
I just cut myself off from responding to him
It’s so hard with someone like that though…
"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable
by ClaybornSmash on Mar 3, 2011 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
Some people can only see the world in absolutes.
I know I have my own issues and biases, but I at least TRY to see the other side of an argument (unless it is with my girlfriend about watching Kardashians or some crap instead of football. There is only one right side to that debate)
by The JuggerNitt on Mar 3, 2011 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
Oh God
just mentioning that tv show makes me dumber. I refuse to watch whatever channel that is on. It makes me go into the other room, turn on call of duty at full blast and shoot things. Usually that gets my point across.
"Penn State is the standard for success with honor. Period. I can’t even believe we’re even discussing that" - ReadingRambler
thanks to DVR I am able to win them
(she doesn’t quite get why sports have to be watched live, but I won’t budge on that one).
Otherwise, I suppose it would be the battle of who gets to watch the main TV.
by The JuggerNitt on Mar 3, 2011 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
I just read through your responses
And any point that you (or anyone else for that matter) made that flat out proved he was wrong he would simply ignore and move on to some other ill-contrived argument laced with conjecture, falsities, and flat out lies. There is no reasoning with those time of people.
"Penn State is the standard for success with honor. Period. I can’t even believe we’re even discussing that" - ReadingRambler
I never once even said he was wrong
My entire issue is with his dismissal of other people’s views and the way in which he presents his arguments. Honestly, take a look at one of his posts that is in the middle of the thread and tell me you read the whole thing. It is over an entire screen length long. I couldn’t get to the end of it.
He’s just inconsiderate and you can tell he’s used to bullying people into agreeing with him by the number and wording of his comments (atrocious grammar and all).
"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable
by ClaybornSmash on Mar 3, 2011 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
I was a bit disappointed when he claimed that server issues were causing his repeat paragraphs in his posts.
I kinda liked it, sorta like that Utah State chant
http://www.blackshoediaries.com/2011/2/3/1972956/it-feels-strange-being-jealous-of-utah-state-for-anything-involving
by The JuggerNitt on Mar 3, 2011 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I couldn’t get through any of them. And I agree with everything you’ve said. I’m done talking about that guy.
And now for something completely different enjoy
"Penn State is the standard for success with honor. Period. I can’t even believe we’re even discussing that" - ReadingRambler
Fine.
I should have done that to begin with.
"Hi, I'm Bob Evil!"
by ReadingRambler on Mar 3, 2011 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
Hey buddy..
I also said that I didn’t like or agree with Carl’s behavior after the aTm game. And lets get something straight here. A Carl Pelini “punch”. There was no punch at least in the sense of Pelini “punching” the guy with the camera. Carl never made any contact with the guy with the camera. He touched the camera as the guy shoved the camera in his face.
At no point did Carl ever make contact with the person holding the camera. I still don’t like the behavior but don’t throw out misinformation here as if Carl physically assaulted the cameraman.
Gees, how many times have you seen someone shove a camera out of there face.
The aTm game is a great example of officials taking over a game. 18-2. Never seen anything like that ever. Not pee wee football, not jr high, not high school, not college, not anywhere.
aTm went to big brother texas and that POS beebe and said, “we want to beat Nebraska too on the way out, make it happen.”
by Andy P skers94 on Mar 19, 2011 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions
not anywhere
did I make a correlation of Nebraska “killing” Collins because of what they may have done to a Wyoming QB. I simply made reference to a classic train wreck collision on the Wyoming Qb as an example of what may have happened. Now, for you to think that Collins would not be pressured, would not find himself knocked on his backside had Nebraska and PSU played in 94 is a little irrational.
Colorado brought a very good, very talented group of offensive lineman to Linocln i 94. Two guards that became long time NFL starters,others that were All conference. Gee, sounds a lot like the PSU o line of Rivera, Hartings and CO. You know what Colorado’s biggest problem was that day in Lincoln in 94? Being dominated upfront on both sides of the ball. The Nebraska D line played on the other side of the line of scrimmage all day.
There are some real similarities among players between the Colorado and PSU offenses of 94.
Lets compare 94 Colorado and 94 PSU offense just in terms of talent.
1) Both had talented collegiate RB’s (Salaam and Carter), but both flopped in the NFL. I’d call that a push
2) Both had very good TE, both had long NFL careers. (Fauria and Brady) Another push
3) Both offensive lines had All conference and multiple NFL lineman – Another push
4) Wide receiver groups, I initially thought PSU might have had an edge here at this position, but I think the Colorado trio of Westbrook, Carruth, Anderson trumps the PSU wr’s barely. Don’t tell me about Engram. I know all about him and his NFL career as nothing more than a slot or possession Wr. PSU had no real serious number 1 type wr’s. Unless you call Engram that, which he really wasn’t.
5) and lastly the QB spot. COuld again be a toss up since both Stewart and Collins were good college qb’s. Both played in NFl, both had some nice success. But, I will give a slight edge to PSU on this one, on the legs of Collins lasting longer in the NFL, although nothing more than a journeyman. But, keep in mind.. The mid 90’s ate no moblity, slow footed, stand in the pocket qb’s for dinner . I.E. Mr. Collins.
But somehow, PSU fans would have everyone believe that the 94 Nebraska defense didn’t play anything close to the 94 PSU offense. Wrong! Even though the above breakdown clearly shows and can’t be refuted that 94 Colorado was the equal at least in terms of talent, at nearly every offensive position grouping as 94 PSU!! Memo: Colorado 7 points. Wrong!
Colorado got bit by a bunch of wild rabid dawgs. The same bunch that would have bit COllins and Co had they played.
HOnestly, the biggest problem for 94 PSU if this matchup had taken place, isn’t the Blackshirt defense. It’s the Husker offensive line, and offense matched up against that soft, weak PSU kitty kat defense that would have been kept on the field for nearly 40 minutes, if not more.
by Andy P skers94 on Mar 18, 2011 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions
"Leave for OHIO STATE? WTF?"
I chuckled.
Would OSU really offer that much more money that it would be worth it?
Dear Big Ten, nothing about your boring landscape, plain women, or two national championships in 40 years is legendary.
by Illegal Formation on Mar 3, 2011 11:13 AM EST reply actions
It might be a little less than Pryor is getting
but I’d bet the boosters at O$U could come up with a few extra dollars. Maybe find them in the backseat of a loaner car?
by kijana's acl on Mar 3, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Mostly, though, I’m really disgusted at the thought of playing Iowa every year. How the hell have you people tolerated that all these years?
I mentioned Iowa, right?
The hate is strong in this one… Excellent… Excellent…
"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable
I don't think PSU fans have tolerated Iowa for quite some time now.
I think there is a lot of hate there, at least coming from Penn State. There are several reasons to hate Iowa from a PSU fan’s perspective.
namely their lack of an alibi
they ugly
by The JuggerNitt on Mar 3, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
I will take Nebraska over Iowa anyday
Or at least until Nebraska crushes our undefeated season then prevents us from getting into March Madness. Stupid Iowa.
No one told you when to run, you missed the starting gun
by psu on Mar 3, 2011 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
Don't lie... You guys love us!
"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable
by ClaybornSmash on Mar 3, 2011 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
I hate myself for loving you
jtothetweet
"Cats been getting hookups on tatts since back in '01". - former buckeye Antonio Pittman
I heart Jim from Corn Nation
My condolences to everyone in Nebraska for their geographical proximity to that dump of fetid pig manure known as Iowa.
You see Rambler, I’m not the only one.
by Frank O'Brien on Mar 3, 2011 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, and like the others, you can’t offer any substantial reasons.
Enjoy your time with Christian Peter’s buddies, Frank.
"Hi, I'm Bob Evil!"
by ReadingRambler on Mar 3, 2011 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
Iowa is PSU's abusive relationship.
You keep hurting us, but we keep coming back for more.
"This is being a Penn State fan. We’ll prove it, or we won’t. It’s not about proving it to them, it’s about proving to ourselves."
by mvrck on Mar 3, 2011 3:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So that makes you Whitney Houston?
"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable
by ClaybornSmash on Mar 3, 2011 3:53 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
And IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
will always love YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUOUOUOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
by The JuggerNitt on Mar 3, 2011 4:00 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Wow. That just happened.
(backs away slowly)
"I don’t spend a lot of time dwelling on the negative. I believe that having a good, peaceful mind is the basic premise for a good life."
by Adam Collyer on Mar 3, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs

"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable
by ClaybornSmash on Mar 3, 2011 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
Rambler might me the only one to get that here.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Mar 3, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
You are incorrect.
"Hi, I'm Bob Evil!"
by ReadingRambler on Mar 3, 2011 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
The BHGP are a good bunch, despite the outcome of our nearly annual contest.

Selling my Big Ten Championship rings since 2005....
@ArtieFufkin10
by Artiefufkin10 on Mar 3, 2011 6:45 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, because as jesse. once put it, the upside is that Iowa is a lot like Penn State and they also wear Steelers jerseys. The only real downside is that they beat us a lot. The upside is greater.
"Hi, I'm Bob Evil!"
by ReadingRambler on Mar 3, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah? Well, I don't care what you think.
"Hi, I'm Bob Evil!"
by ReadingRambler on Mar 3, 2011 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
Your parents *both* smell of elderberries.
"Hi, I'm Bob Evil!"
by ReadingRambler on Mar 3, 2011 4:45 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
So no hampster blood in the MainLion line?
"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable
by ClaybornSmash on Mar 3, 2011 4:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh, and before I quit let me just add that jesse.‘s opinion is more worthwhile than either mine or yours. Dude has a period after his name. That’s just cool.
"Hi, I'm Bob Evil!"
by ReadingRambler on Mar 3, 2011 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
This is not meant to knock you
But you just made me realize that SBN’s comment format makes Horatio from CSI happy.
"Hi, I'm Bob Evil!"
by ReadingRambler on Mar 3, 2011 6:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It must be because I'm an idiot Iowa fan:
About the same way I feel about an ice cream beer float. What friggin’ idiot thinks that would be a good idea? (And then they did it twice.)
This idiot does. He even wrote about it…
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
these are the same people who put tomato juice in their beer to make it red.
They lost all credibility on the topic of mixing beer with other things after that. Personally I’d much rather an ice cream beer float (assuming it is a nice chocolate stout or something similar) than that red beer crap.
by The JuggerNitt on Mar 3, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
I personally don't mind Red Beer with shittty beer
but I understand the skepticism. McCann’t has some major beer cred in my book and I would love to try a beer float with a Sam Adam’s Chocolate Bock (I don’t like coffee which generally limits my stout drinking)
"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable
by ClaybornSmash on Mar 3, 2011 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
I possibly wouldn't mind it
and god knows I’ve drank worse, but how can you criticize one that actually seems delicious, and praise another one (that specifically requires low quality beer as one of the ingredients)
by The JuggerNitt on Mar 3, 2011 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
It doesn't require low quality beer
it seems like it just makes low quality beer better. Personally, I prefer vodka in my tomato juice because I like getting drunk faster, but to each his own.
"Penn State is the standard for success with honor. Period. I can’t even believe we’re even discussing that" - ReadingRambler
Same here on the vodka
I love me some bloody mary’s. red beer is a lot of palatable for the first beer in the morning of a tailgate with a hangover.
"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable
by ClaybornSmash on Mar 3, 2011 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
see, I drink the bloody mary's for the hangover cure,
but I could be convinced to change things up here and there, I suppose.
Poll: how spicy do you like your bloody mary’s?
by The JuggerNitt on Mar 3, 2011 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
My bloody mary's
double as a rust remover
"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable
by ClaybornSmash on Mar 3, 2011 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
VERY
lots of horseradish in mine, plus Tabasco, lots of Worchestershire sauce, a dab of A-1 & a garnish of pickled okra. OH, and always use V-8 Picante, never mix or tomato juice.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Mar 3, 2011 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
Love, love love
Having a mixologist in the house.
jtothetweet
"Cats been getting hookups on tatts since back in '01". - former buckeye Antonio Pittman
Wait.
Kyle’s of Iowafandom. Crap. I hate him. No, I don’t. I love his love and kennolege of beer. But Iowa. I hate him. No sir, I don’t like him, but BEER! ARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGhhhh
Herky, whereforartthou? What dost thou do to me or do me unto myself.
Joan wins in the end: I hate myself for loving you.
jtothetweet
"Cats been getting hookups on tatts since back in '01". - former buckeye Antonio Pittman
by jtothep on Mar 3, 2011 4:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Meh, whatever.
I still like PSU. And Wisconsin. And Purdue (Claybornsmash, keep quiet, you!).
But fuck tOSU, Minnesota, Illinois, jNW and Iowa State.
And, as ever, Much Fichigan.
Less memorable than Sam Okey's Hawkeye career.
by Kyle McCann't on Mar 3, 2011 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
I cannot keep quiet when you are speaking blasphemy!
Purdue is OMHR and I will hear nothing else!
"I shoot, I score. He shoots, I score." - Dan Gable
by ClaybornSmash on Mar 3, 2011 8:24 PM EST up reply actions
Best teams in the country in 94
1. Nebraska
2. Colorado – Stewart, Salaam, Fauria, Carruth, Westbrook and Co would have made the 94 PSU defense look silly.
94 Colorado at least tried to play a little bit of defense.
Yale University was by far the best team in 94
1. Yale- Frank Butterworth, George Adee were unstoppable and the lines were bolstered by Wild Bill Hickock and Frank Hinkey
and they were coached by William Rhodes, who only lost one game ever.
2. Penn- Charles “The Miracle Man” Gilbert, nothing else needs to be said
Your CandyCornhuskers would have been beaten into a unrecognizable pulp. That is why they get a… what sound does a cornhusker, I am trying to make an incredibly witty pun off of that sound to make it sound wimpy as the basis of my argument.
WE'RE DANCIN!!!
94 Colorado
offense would have run amok on the kitty kat defense of 94 PSU.
Holy Gees! 94 PSU wouldn’t have stopped the Stewart/Salaam run game and than Westbrook, Carruth, Anderson and Stewart tear that piss poor pass defense to shreds!
Just like they did ND in the Fiesta Bowl.
The two best teams in the country in 94 were from the Big 8.
by Andy P skers94 on Mar 19, 2011 12:09 PM EDT reply actions
Lol That's Charlie McBride lol
"Use their guts to lubricate our single leg attacks!" - Lycurgus
by ReadingRambler on Mar 22, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions

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