Taran Buie, Curtis Drake Among Four Penn State Athletes Cited
by Adam Bittner on Mar 30, 2011 7:19 PM EDT
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PrintA story that's been in the works for about a month thanks to our own NGameDay11 eagle eyes finally took a step forward today as four Penn State athletes, including three now-repeat offenders, were cited in connection with a State Patty's Day fight in State College according to the Centre Daily Times.
According to State College police, basketball players Tre Bowman, 19, and Taran Buie, 19, face the summary offense for allegedly participating in the fight that took place about 6:26 p.m. Feb. 28 on the fourth floor of Cedarbrook Apartments, 320 E. Beaver Ave. Buie was suspended from the team in December.
Also cited were Curtis Drake, 20, and Derrick Thomas, 20, both members of the Penn State football team.
For Buie, probably the most high profile of the group as a former four-star recruit and half-brother of Penn State basketball legend Talor Battle, this is just another bullet on his lengthening rap sheet. In July, he and Drake were charged with disorderly conduct after getting into a fight at the State College McDonald's. In August, he was hit with an underage. Finally, in December, he was suspended indefinitely for an unspecified violation of team rules.
Basketball coach Ed DeChellis said at his end of the year press conference that Buie's future with the team was yet to be determined. He said he was planning on sitting down with the freshman but that the two had not yet met. Unless that meeting has taken place in the last week, this figures to complicate it even more. Buie was on a short leash after his suspension and got in trouble again.
Buie's mother, Denise Murphy expressed concern Monday in the Daily Collegian that her son would not be welcomed back.
After being suspended from the Penn State men’s basketball team at the end of December, Buie’s future is very cloudy. Part of the uncertainty is his status with Penn State, and Murphy admitted she doesn’t know if he will be accepted back with the team.
"I don’t want to say that Penn State is out of the question," Murphy said Sunday. "Taran would like to stay at Penn State, but I don’t know if that’s in the cards."
Take that for what you will, but none of it sounds promising for Buie's future with the Nittany Lions.
Then, of course, there's Drake, an Internet favorite among Nittany Lions fans after joining the team in 2009 as a three-star recruit. This is his second incident in less than a year, and he's also suffered two significant injuries to his left leg in the past few months, the most recent coming last week in a non-contact drill. He was already ruled out of the rest of spring practice, but this hardly makes his situation any better.
Thomas missed two games in connection with fellow football player Sean Stanley's marijuana possession charge in October. With Drake already out, Thomas is likely the only football player susceptible to immediate discipline by football coach Joe Paterno, so keep an eye on his situation.
This is Bowman's first offense since arriving in State College. DeChellis allowed him to stay on the team after the incident, but now that he's been formally charged, he might see action from the coaching staff.
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Maybe The Drake's injury was karmic retribution
Cory Geiger asks Paterno if talk about his future bothers him. "You bother me," Joe tells Geiger.
These citations are peanuts citations, but nevertheless still very frustrating.
Is it that much to ask that kids behave when presented with a questionable situation?
I guess we also had a wrestler get arrested for "kickin" the crap out of some dorm mates!
Felony, aggrevated assault and $75K bond. Ugh!
http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archive/2011/03/30/indecent_assault.aspx
People will always forget what you do, and they will always forget what you say, but they will never, ever forget the way you make them feel.
If you light a turtle on fire
you should have your head checked
Now that the celebration's over, lets go beat Ohio State--Joe Paterno
@Ben_Jones88
Yeah. That's a little bizarre.
He sounds a litle like a wacko. His prtofile is interesting. From Long Island but finished school at private military school in FL. Wonder if that was behavorial? They do have wrestling down there but he could have gone to better prep schools for wrestling!
People will always forget what you do, and they will always forget what you say, but they will never, ever forget the way you make them feel.
He did what to a turtle?
What’s a brother to do, he’s Irish?
I'm your late night evening prostitute
by Frank O'Brien on Mar 30, 2011 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
He looks like he's gonna get shot by Clint Eastwood in a movie.
"Use their guts to lubricate our single leg attacks!" - Lycurgus
by ReadingRambler on Mar 31, 2011 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
animal cruelty
a lot of the crime shows talk about the past of some major dbags, a lot of them start with tortuing animals
\Criminalminded’d
My coach is better than your coach
To act as a counterbalance to that comment...
He really needs to stop being Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Marzipan.
\Psych’d
\I’ve heard it both ways
Gus, don't be a gooey chocolate chip cookie.
by IcersGuy on Mar 30, 2011 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Barry Alvarez's son Chad
After getting in a fight with a fraternity brother at UW, took the guy’s pet parrot and microwaved him.
by gumbercules on Mar 31, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
You have GOT to come around more
with contributions like these.
jtothetweet
"Cats been getting hookups on tatts since back in '01". - former buckeye Antonio Pittman
Hey, I stumbled onto one your apps on the droid market I think
Did you build Loot?
jtothetweet
"Cats been getting hookups on tatts since back in '01". - former buckeye Antonio Pittman
Nah I don't do droid development
Like most software developers, when I leave work I want to do anything but write more code.
by gumbercules on Mar 31, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
GREATEST STORY EVER TOLD
"Use their guts to lubricate our single leg attacks!" - Lycurgus
by ReadingRambler on Mar 31, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ll be stunned if he stays. Even on good behavior he wouldn’t start much. Bah.
"Use their guts to lubricate our single leg attacks!" - Lycurgus
by ReadingRambler on Mar 30, 2011 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree and (kind of) hope he's gone.
We need tough and “mean” guys as wrestlers and football players (after all, they are taking a lot of pain, also). But after a game or match is over, they need to shake hands, forget about it and be a “good” citizen!
He was arrested and held. Must have been a lot more than just a dorm fight.
He hasn’t contributed enough to have some “depth chart justice” help him. So, disappear, already.
People will always forget what you do, and they will always forget what you say, but they will never, ever forget the way you make them feel.
I miss the good old days
When we didn’t have a damn clue as to what went on with kids outside of sports. Blissful ignorance you were so sweet, but I can’t stop checking BSD every day just the same.
Ticking away the moments that make up a dull day, you fritter and waste the hours in an offhand way.
Thugs
This has become typical of Penn State. Ghetto thugs at that school!
Hoodlums!
Hoodlums and Hooligans! Darn those city kids! If only we could go back to yesteryear, before the era of the ghetto student, when no Penn Stater ever did anything wrong ever ever ever.
"I just wanted to thank you for everything you've done for this university." "Oh, I haven't done enough." - Joe Paterno.
Joe's lost control of the program
Call Yellow Bob and the gang at OTL
I'm your late night evening prostitute
by Frank O'Brien on Mar 30, 2011 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know about y'all but this stuff was happening in 1983 but we didn't have the interwebs to tell us about it.
I'm your late night evening prostitute
by Frank O'Brien on Mar 30, 2011 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, it has been happening for a long time now. But all the annoying PSU fans acted like it wasn’t… that their team was superior. The bad-mouthing of Miami, Ohio State, Florida State, USC, Florida, Georgia, Pitt, Oklahoma, among others has been a constant over the past few decades. Penn State football was made up of innocent model students then though, right? Interesting how all of those programs, save Pitt and maybe Georgia, have been more successful than Penn State. Hmmmm… I wonder how that psychology works?
by nittanymarv on Mar 31, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Sweet!
Fresh trolls. Guesses?:
- new screen name for formerly banned 3number/3letter combo
- wayward poster from FOS
- PennLive poster not getting enough feedback from the chummy waters there
jtothetweet
"Cats been getting hookups on tatts since back in '01". - former buckeye Antonio Pittman
The Scotch-Irish PA term for such people is "jagoff"
FYI.
"Use their guts to lubricate our single leg attacks!" - Lycurgus
by ReadingRambler on Mar 31, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
So did you join BSD
to just post condescending drivel or for actual conversation? If you’re interested in conversation then welcome aboard. If it’s to attack fellow fans, then please go elsewhere.
It's even possible that Jim Tressel drinks out of the toilet
No, that's how cheating works
Interesting how all of those programs, save Pitt and maybe Georgia, have been more successful than Penn State. Hmmmm… I wonder how that psychology works
My coach is better than your coach
I really don't understand comments like there.
(1) Try harder with your strawman. No one acts like PSU is made up of innocent model students, and no one acts like PSU doesn’t recruit the same kids that the other programs do. The difference has always been that Joe handles issues thoroughly and appropriately, and makes kids go to class and graduate. We provide a support structure and we insist on having the vast majority of our kids graduate, which just doesn’t happen at other schools.
(2) There hasn’t been a hint of NCAA scandal at Penn State. ZERO. Period. Welcome to success with honor.
(3) It’s a massive stretch to consider any of those school “better” than PSU over the “past few decades,” especially when that time period takes into account 1967 through 1987.
You’d think I’d get sick of pointing these basic issues out to people like you, but I don’t. And if you’re going to troll, again, try harder. “Their team was superior” drivel, yet your name here is nittanymarv? So which is it, Marv? Their team or yours?
Take a shower, shine your shoes...
by Adam Collyer on Mar 31, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure, it’s always been going on, but… to hear PSU fans talk for a long time now, it’s as if all football players are excellent students and model citizens. The hypocrisy is showing through. All of you so-called PSU fans have bad-mouthed other teams for soooooo long now, calling them criminals, thugs, etc…. all the while “your” players were doing the same things or worse.
How many arrests does Penn State football have in the past decade? Time for the so-called Penn State fans who act like little bitches when talking about their model collegiate athletes to shut up and realize that their sh@# stinks like everyone else’s.
by nittanymarv on Mar 31, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
the talk here has focused on NCAA violations and getting paid
we have a pretty high tolerance for the normal college kid stuff
My coach is better than your coach
Oh, stop with your facts and logic. That's not good currency here.
Take a shower, shine your shoes...
by Adam Collyer on Mar 31, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
who has called other teams "criminals" or "thugs" except, possibly, in jest or exagerration?
We call them out on NCAA violations and things like that, and in that way, Penn State clearly is superior to all schools save Stanford.
But, what would I know? I’m a Penn Stater who apparently acts like a bitch.
Fire Dan Snyder
by Cari Greene on Mar 31, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
You are a "so-called" Penn Stater...
get it right.
WE'RE DANCIN!!!
Actually, I admit it. I call FSU,
the Felon State University Criminoles.
This is BSD, the crazy stirs itself.
All of us so-called Penn State fans have not badmouthed other teams. Some of us so-called Penn State fans couldn’t give a damn about other teams. It’s why we call ourselves “Penn State fans” and not, you know, “Everybody fans”. We all know that everybody makes mistakes and so on, and most of the comments you’re probably talking about were jokes.
I’m going to go ahead and ask you to please be careful with the way you use the word “ghetto”. I really doubt your intended to offend, but it’s the sort of word can say much more than its user intends it to.
"I just wanted to thank you for everything you've done for this university." "Oh, I haven't done enough." - Joe Paterno.
by dwf5095 on Mar 31, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
They won't kick him off
He’s just never getting out of the doghouse.
Gus, don't be a gooey chocolate chip cookie.
Which would be disappointing, nonetheless
But if he was suspended for all of last year, well, I’d imagine he’d be on thin ICE
by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Mar 30, 2011 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't want to start an argument but,
I can only envision certain Penn State fans ripping tOSU for not kicking off a repeat (criminal) offender off of the team right now.
And yes I understand that the opening part of my comment contradicts my actual comment, but I just couldn’t hold my fingers back.
Doug: "Why don't you tell him that your total salary last year was tweleve dollars?!?"
Arthur: "That was after taxes!!!"
by JakeBuckeye on Mar 30, 2011 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
You're not sayin', you're just sayin'?
I am a college kid, I live a life completely surrounded by college kids, so I think I can speak with some authority when I say that college kids are stupid as all hell. But it does get to a point where, you know, enough.
"I just wanted to thank you for everything you've done for this university." "Oh, I haven't done enough." - Joe Paterno.
Sure he can stay on the team and try to make ammends, we just don't pay him $3million per year and call him a great man
I'm your late night evening prostitute
by Frank O'Brien on Mar 30, 2011 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
For what it’s worth, I’d be fine with telling these kids to shape up or ship out. You receive a free education, certain other limited benefits*, and all you have to do is stay out of trouble. If you can’t handle that simple request—especially in a fool me once, …, fool me twice, … situation—then you can take your education and talent elsewhere.
- Limited benefits do not include multiple month-long cars to “test drive”, shady business man mentors, and gold-plated charms which are negotiable for goods and/or services.
Agreed, more or less.
Success without honor tastes like crap sandwich and whatnot.
"I just wanted to thank you for everything you've done for this university." "Oh, I haven't done enough." - Joe Paterno.
His "repeat" offenses
are maryjane and fighting. If any football team kicks a guy off for those two reasons alone, well that’s retarded. I’m sorry but on my list of “things to get in trouble with the law for” these are very far down on the list. Maybe if he pummeled a guy within an inch of his life, yea that’s bad. A fight between groups? Not so much. Doesn’t make him any less stupid, he should know better but I, myself, wouldn’t be calling for a team to dismiss him, O$U or not.
It's even possible that Jim Tressel drinks out of the toilet
So at what point do you think
he should go from “just another little thing” to “enough is enough”?
by misdreavus79 on Mar 31, 2011 6:40 AM EDT up reply actions
If they keep adding up
then he clearly doesn’t get it and needs to go. I just have a hard time getting riled up over this kind of thing. The charges sound pretty mundane. Not saying it’s right or wrong but this kind of stuff happens everywhere and many times it isn’t even reported. Obviously I’m not a D-1 football player but I do know that at 19 and in the presence of alcohol, it didn’t take much for a fight to break out.
It's even possible that Jim Tressel drinks out of the toilet
I guess we just see it from different angles
because I rolled home plenty a time when I was in school, and I was involved in what almost constituted a fight once. My role in it: Breaking it up (with people I didn’t even know).
by misdreavus79 on Mar 31, 2011 6:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I totally see your point
I broke up a handful of fights myself. One was the first month I was ever at college. I don’t even remember why it about went down, I just knew that I had to get the one kid out of there or things would go south quick. Another was a friend of mine was trying to fight some kid 2 or 3 times his size. In the middle of the street. Stupid. Anyways, I guess I’m more inclined to let the “boys will be boys” stuff slide.
It's even possible that Jim Tressel drinks out of the toilet
They're not even really charges. It's a DC.
A summary violation. I got one in college for a noise violation, for God’s sake.
This is the dumbest “criminal act” I’ve ever seen and a waste of police time, quite frankly.
Take a shower, shine your shoes...
by Adam Collyer on Mar 31, 2011 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Thank you for summing up my thoughts better than I could
It's even possible that Jim Tressel drinks out of the toilet
The most irritating part?
Having to get a copy of the disposition and send it to the NY and NJ bar examiners. You wouldn’t believe how frustrating a process that was for what is essentially a less serious speeding ticket.
Take a shower, shine your shoes...
by Adam Collyer on Mar 31, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I myself favor a three strikes policy
they are college kids. Underage drinking is going to happen. I got one in college. But repeats offenders should go.
I don’t make the rules.
The rules for coaches and those in charge should not be that flexible. They are growned up men.
My coach is better than your coach
Fair enough
But Thomas’s suspension, while never disclosed, was supposed to be academic related iirc according to all the insider sites. Actually, the team flat out said he could begin practicing when he got his grades up
by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Mar 31, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
He was never arrested, cited or anything for a drug-related charge (or anything else).
That was what made his suspension so mysterious and why many of us thought it was related to academics or academic integrity.
This is BSD, the crazy stirs itself.
Was Stanley's suspension drug-related, then?
I know they were around the same time and I could’ve sworn one was…
Fire Dan Snyder
Just dropped by ...
to let you all know that some of players (R.Bolden and DC17) are apparently at the show at the BJC admiring Nicki Minaj’s butt. via twitter.
Selling my Big Ten Championship rings since 2005....
@ArtieFufkin10
I believe he's training with the team
And living in JayPa’s basement haha ..at least that’s what he did last spring before the draft.
Nope
Apparently Rick Ross the big boss was there too
Selling my Big Ten Championship rings since 2005....
@ArtieFufkin10
by Artiefufkin10 on Mar 31, 2011 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions
It's pronounced BAWSE.
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jtothetweet
"Cats been getting hookups on tatts since back in '01". - former buckeye Antonio Pittman
by jtothep on Mar 31, 2011 4:28 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Rep'resent'n!
" When you cross that Blue Line, you are mine...Across the Blue Line, it's all football. " " And what you need to do in your life is paint Blue Lines everywhere. " - Joe Paterno 2009
by BlueWhiteLife on Mar 31, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
good ol' Cedarbrook
720 represent
"I don't want to injure anybody," James Harrison said. "But I'm not opposed to hurting anybody."
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
You know, I don't see much coming from this.
I’m sure their respective coaching staffs were all over them about this as soon as word got out and their pictures went up on the web on that surveillance tape.
They’ve probably already been spoken to about this, maybe even been told what the punishment would be if any charges came out of it. /shrug
I feel like the time that has passed from when this story broke to the actual citations being issued might lessen any ire they might draw from their coaches. Maybe. Hopefully.
Considering.....
all of the messes that are related to collegiate sports today, I will probably agree with my Pop and say that it happens everywhere….I just hope that I(we) can differentiate between misdemeanors, felonies, NC2A violations and just plain 18-21 Kids growing up. I did stupid things in my youth, nothing that had police intervention, thank goodness and you probably have to sit back and not get too upset. Joe has said that you can’t watch all 100+ kids all the time, but I am happy that Joe is still at the helm, problems aside.
"The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me God." The Government is like the Mob, you can check out, but never leave.
"Stupud stuff," "Boys will be boys"
I’ve been here for two years and haven’t even spoken to a police officer once. I imagine that’s the same for the vast majority of my fellow students. It bothers me that when it’s Ohio State players taking free tats, we whine that they didn’t get suspended for long enough, but when it’s Penn State players getting in a fight and charged with actual criminal activity we just chalk it up to “boys being boys” and “in the good ’ol days, people never got in trouble for this.”
This ain’t the good ‘ol days and they should have understood that when they signed up to be division-one athletes in the fish bowl that is State College. I don’t know what their punishment should be, but it should be taken seriously.
Adam
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I'm with you, Fooge
Especially if were going to spout off our holier than thou zero major infractions bit. Minor police issues are one thing, but some of these fights seem a bit more than a drunken spur of the moment fight, which while regrettable are excusable ONCE. When it becomes a pattern of behavior I’m all for saying pack your bags.
I also wouldn’t mind if Penn State had a zero tolerance rule, but I am (and I know JoePa is too) a fan of people deserving second chances. There needs to be strictly enforced punishments, but if the kid can man up and take responsibility for his actions I don’t have a problem with them staying with the team.
As an aside, you state you’ve had zero run ins with the police, but I also recall you saying you’ve never really gone to parties or drank. The two are highly correlated. I’ve been in various vacations with my parents, especially on cruises, where they’ve commented about never seeing the security or police, and yet I was on a first name basis with some of them (not doing anything wrong, just saw them around a lot where I was hanging out, which was usually at a club or bar or somewhere else where a presence of authority is necessary). While it would solve some problems, I am NOT in favor of saying the players can’t go out and act like a typical college student.
by The JuggerNitt on Mar 31, 2011 9:55 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I understand what he means
we cannot have it both ways. Boys will be boys and that is OK, but when it is a pattern, something has to be done. If they want to party and raise hell more than they want to play ball, fine. But give your schollie to someone else.
I feel old.
My coach is better than your coach
I don't really understand what this means
I also wouldn’t mind if Penn State had a zero tolerance rule
Can you expand?
Take a shower, shine your shoes...
by Adam Collyer on Mar 31, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Ummm
Can you expand?
You’ll probably have to do a little something for him first.
jtothetweet
"Cats been getting hookups on tatts since back in '01". - former buckeye Antonio Pittman
Really set that one up, eh?
Take a shower, shine your shoes...
by Adam Collyer on Mar 31, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll let Juggernitt answer that one for us
jtothetweet
"Cats been getting hookups on tatts since back in '01". - former buckeye Antonio Pittman
basically
I wouldn’t mind if Penn State said to incoming athletes, “if you come here, then you are coming here to play your sport and go to school. If you want to party and raise mischief, go somewhere else”. As soon as they do something bad, then they’re gone. Of course this has its own issues, and there’s a good reason to give people second chances on a case by case basis, and JoePa seems to be handling that pretty well.
I don’t think it would be the best decision (zero tolerance) but I wouldn’t be completely against it.
by The JuggerNitt on Apr 1, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Of course this has its own issues, and there’s a good reason to give people second chances on a case by case basis, and JoePa seems to be handling that pretty well.
JoePa seems to be handling that pretty well.
I don’t think zero tolerance is better than what we have. Zero tolerance provides an excuse to avoid analyzing the situation and doing what’s best for the kid.
4d3d3d3 engaged.
by WorldBFat on Apr 1, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
and that's what I'm ineffectively trying to convey.
I prefer the system we have of evaluating the individual situations and handling them accordingly. But if they decided to get strict and adopt a zero-tolerance policy to really go after the squeaky clean image I wouldn’t completely oppose that, either.
by The JuggerNitt on Apr 1, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
You can still go out and not get cited by the police though.
I’ve gone out to parties pretty much every weekend this year. All you really have to do is walk back without acting like an idiot or drawing too much attention, and you’re fine. That’s not to say that I think all of these guys are thugs; they’re not. They made a stupid decision and some other drunk group probably was talking trash to them or something.
They need to know that it isn’t acceptable. If you’re going to go out, you have to know that you need to be even more responsible than usual.
This is exactly right.
They need to know that it isn’t acceptable. If you’re going to go out, you have to know that you need to be even more responsible than usual.
But I can’t condemn them for it. They didn’t really get in trouble. Be more responsible when you’re drinking and stop doing dopey ish.
Take a shower, shine your shoes...
by Adam Collyer on Mar 31, 2011 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
You may not have had any sort of citations, but part of that is just luck.
I consider myself a pretty good driver, and except for a couple dumb times when I was younger when I drove when I was close to (and possibly a bit above) the legal limit I never get behind the wheel after drinking anything more than a beer/glass of wine at dinner. That didn’t stop me from getting pulled over about 10-15 times over the course of a year to check me for DUI. About the worst things I had done to be pulled over:
- one of the 5 bulbs in my brake light was out
- my car, while completely stopped at a 4-way stop sign with no other cars around didn’t “fully lurch forward and then backwards prior to moving forward again”.
- going 5 MPH over the speed limit
- coming close to the center line (but not touching it) to drive around a newspaper truck parked on the side of the road. I was also simultaneously talking to my friend and my windows were down. (yes, these were the 3 reasons the cop gave me for pulling me over)
Granted, I never got a ticket for anything, but my point was that sometimes you don’t have to be doing anything wrong to have “run ins” with the police. On the other hand, if you are in a large crowd, sometimes people get away with doing things while the police are dealing with someone else doing the exact same thing. Whether you are the person getting away with something or the person getting caught is often a matter of luck, or a matter of being racially profiled (and/or just being more conspicuous, being large and athletic)
by The JuggerNitt on Apr 1, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
the only times you get busted is when you do something stupid and the cops get lucky
I do illegal stuff every day and I’ve only gotten it twice and one time was bad luck, the other was stupidity. Cops have to get lucky. At PSU there are so many people around you have to stick out. I was never arrested in State College.
Of course there was the smoke bomb incident and the price on my head and all of that, but they never caught me!
"I don't want to injure anybody," James Harrison said. "But I'm not opposed to hurting anybody."
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
Fooge, with all due respect, you don't drink so there's never really an opportunity for you to speak with police.
This kind of thing happens all the time, and the most obvious reason is because the offense was so limited. Disorderly conducts are issued on a fairly regular basis. There’s nothing particular unusual or terrible about it.
Wake me up when this turns into a Maurice Humphrey or Anthony Scirrotto situation. Those were terrible events that deserved to be handled much differently than a glorified speeding ticket.
Take a shower, shine your shoes...
by Adam Collyer on Mar 31, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
There were 200 some odd incidents over State Patty's day
That’s .004% of the student population, and as we all know, the people participating in the event numbered far more than just the 45,000 Penn State students. These guys managed to put themselves at the very top of the heap of debauchery and thuggery that weekend, so I don’t even want to hear it.
Adam
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by Adam Bittner on Mar 31, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
At the very top of the heap of debauchery and thuggery?
That language is way over the top.
They received a disorderly conduct. They weren’t charged with even a misdemeanor. It’s a summary violation. If there was “debauchery and thuggery,” particularly if they were at the “top of the heap” of it, they would have been charged. The Centre County Prosecutor’s Office has shown no compunction about going after Penn State football players, or any other PSU student for that matter.
Take a shower, shine your shoes...
by Adam Collyer on Mar 31, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
A summary violation is still a summary violation
Most people don’t get summary violations. That these four who are supposed to be representing Penn State did needs to be taken seriously.
And again. It’s hypocritical to go after Ohio State players for not even breaking the law and writing an offense like this off.
Adam
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by Adam Bittner on Mar 31, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
They're entirely different conversations and conflating the two does justice to neither.
We’re talking about NCAA rules versus college kids drinking. I don’t harp on college kid drinking citations unless they’re behind the wheel of a car, whether it’s at Penn State or somewhere else. NCAA violations affect eligibility, and those violations are character issues that need to be addressed.
Summary violations include speeding tickets. Are you seriously going to tell me that I need to get upset every time a Penn State athlete is issued a speeding ticket or a noise violation? That’s remarkable.
Take a shower, shine your shoes...
by Adam Collyer on Mar 31, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
They got in a fight.
How is that not a character issue?
Adam
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by Adam Bittner on Mar 31, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
You have no idea what the details of that "fight" really were
and clearly they weren’t bad enough to do anything but give them a virtually meaningless citation. Buie and Drake got into a “fight” outside the McDonald’s too, and got DCs for those last season for what amounted to horseplay between two buddies. Forgive me for not being convinced that this was debauchery and thuggery.
Take a shower, shine your shoes...
by Adam Collyer on Mar 31, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Playin' the victim card.
Whatever.
Adam
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by Adam Bittner on Mar 31, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
How exactly would that be?
Take a shower, shine your shoes...
by Adam Collyer on Mar 31, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Jenn Brown, junior-economics,
takes offense that you would put these guys ahead of her in the debauchery category.
This is BSD, the crazy stirs itself.
I'm going to go with the side
that says there were many, many more of these types of fights that happened over State Patty’s day. The difference between those and this one is two fold: a) they weren’t caught on cameras. b) they involved nonathletes so they weren’t headline newsworthy.
Maybe I’m being too dismissive but this just doesn’t ruffle my feathers.
It's even possible that Jim Tressel drinks out of the toilet
Again
.004% of the student body, let alone the folks in town from other schools managed to get in trouble that weekend. Even if every one of these were headline worthy, they’d still be in the one half of one percent of people that got in trouble. That needs to be taken seriously.
Adam
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by Adam Bittner on Mar 31, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
You're using the .004% number as a game changer.
It’s not, really. You’re talking about that many people getting in trouble on one day out of a 365-day calendar.
Take a shower, shine your shoes...
by Adam Collyer on Mar 31, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
And what's with the "we" in relation to the OSU players?
Am I the only one who remembers Spak and carolinaeasy saying the punishments were too strict or what?
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by ReadingRambler on Mar 31, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I hope Spak gets some more time to write
He seemed enamored of all the ‘players get the shaft’ tones of the Real Sports episode last night.
jtothetweet
"Cats been getting hookups on tatts since back in '01". - former buckeye Antonio Pittman
I do agree with you, but I think you're too quick to lump this in a level with other incidents
This was NOT the Apartment fight or the HUB Brawl. One guy had a minor injury, and if there was a crowd of people, who knows how many other people were involved, so this injury may not have even been committed by the players. This wasn’t kicking a dude while he was down or busting a door in to kick some ass.
Like I said, I agree with you that this shouldn’t just be brushed off. A fight is a fight, even if no one gets injured. However, just for perspective though, last fall my roommate (who’s also my best friend) and I used to slap-box in the dorm all the time. If we did that in public and gotten caught, we’d have been given the same charge that these guys got (granted we did it in fun, not to hurt each other, although I did end up bleeding one time). In fact, that’s what happened in the July incident you referenced between Buie and Drake. It was arts fest weekend, cops were on edge, and they were fooling around and a cop thought it was an actual fight.
Yes it’s a police matter, and should be taken seriously, but these kids aren’t ruthless criminals prowling the streets every night looking for a fight. They were most likely drunk and got in the middle of something they shouldn’t have been. They should be punished, but they also shouldn’t be crucified for it either.
So you and your roommate....?
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HaHaaaaaaaaa!
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by BlueWhiteLife on Mar 31, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
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