Time To Step Up: Matt McGloin
2010 was a unique year to be a QB at Penn State. The summer was the first open competition since the Daryll Clark vs. Pat Devlin derby back in 2008. True freshman Robert Bolden and Paul Jones were battling former walk-on (in case you haven't heard yet) sophomore Matt McGloin. To the surprise of everyone not named Rob Bolden, he won the job coming out of summer camp, Jones was redshirt and McGloin would caddy for the first few weeks of the season. McGloin ascended to the top spot on the depth chart due to a Bolden injury and despite an atrocious bowl game performance that included a record five interceptions, McGloin was never benched.
The made for TMZ drama was comical after the bowl game. Bolden Sr. and Jr. met with Joe Paterno to demand a release from his scholarship, a practice that has become fairly common in college football. Typically the school will grant the release with restrictions on a few schools. JoePa had other ideas. He denied Bolden his release and told him there would be an open competition for the position in the spring. Bolden is still on campus, but he appears to have one foot out the door, delivering multiple cryptic messages about him being here this Spring and doesn't know about the future. Well Rob, I can save you some time; Joe will not name a starter until the end of summer. He did it with Clark-Devlin and he even did it with John Shaffer and Matt Knizner after Shaffer led the team to the doorstep of a national championship back in 1985.
Lil' Red. McFavre. Scranton Slinger. FIGO. Jon Moxon. Joe Kane. The list is endless. There is even some wannabe Buzz Bissinger, Esq. in the Twitterverse who likes to call him by a different name (short form of Richard), but he is about as credible as Jim Tressel teaching a class on compliance in college football. The bottom line is McGloin has six months to win this job for the next two years. Like him or not, the kid got Penn State into a bowl game and the much needed practices that come along with it. Did he save the season? Maybe. Could Bolden have done what he did? Maybe. We only know what we saw and who we saw do it. And we saw Matt McGloin
There is no doubt he had a roller coaster season. Great games against Michigan, Northwestern, and the first half of the Ohio State game were often overshadowed by awful performances in the second half against Ohio State and in the bowl game against Florida. Statistically neither he nor Bolden were anything special. Bolden had the higher completion percentage (58% to 55%) while McGloin gets the edge for TDs (14 to 5), yards (1,548 to 1,360), and INTs (9 to 7). All those numbers show is there is plenty of room for improvement this spring.
The first measuring stick comes during the practices. As fans, we won't be able to see the progress of the QBs until April 16th during the Blue/White Game (Presented by AAA of course). In 2010, Jones was the headline grabber during the game, tossing two TDs. This years all eyes will be on McGloin and Bolden. Regardless of what happens in the spring, I suspect we won't find out the week one starter until the end of August. If they really wanted to make it a fair, open competition, they would make the kids compete through the summer.
The biggest thing Matt needs to work on this off-season is to stop trying to be "the next Brett Favre" and start being the first Matt McGloin.
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Such a tough call
I really hope Jones or Bolden just beat him out for the starting position, with McGloin at QB I feel like I am watching PSU basketball. Awesome one week, 17 pick 6s the next, I can only handle one wildly inconsistent PSU sport.
Ticking away the moments that make up a dull day, you fritter and waste the hours in an offhand way.
...and Bolden wasn't inconsistent?
This isn’t necessarily directed at you, psu, but most fans seem to forget just how inconsistent Bolden was. Interceptions against Alabama. PSU was trailing deep into the third quarter and needed a career day from Royster to beat Temple. There were pick-sixes against Iowa and Illinois. In fact, Bolden threw a pick-six and an 80-yard TD on back-to-back plays against Illinois.
My point is that PSU will be wildly inconsistent, regardless of who’s lined up at QB. I’m just along on for the ride, at this point.
Well maybe another year
Will help whoever ends up at QB. Please.
Ticking away the moments that make up a dull day, you fritter and waste the hours in an offhand way.
Most people also forget the help that Bolden had.
And by help I mean
-A veteran RB tripping over the white lines on the field.
-veteran WRs dropping passes.
-an o-line that was acting like they just met each other.
McGloin came in at a time where all of those areas started to improve. Bolden made freshman mistakes but the rest of the team didn’t exactly pick up the slack.
Dark Knight feeling, die and be a hero-or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.-Jay-Z
by OMEGAMAN on Mar 31, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Number 2 was huge.
Zug’s drop in the Alabama game on a pivotal drive comes to mind.
Publicity is like poison; it doesn't hurt unless you swallow it.
Joe Paterno
That makes me about as ill as Bani's missed tackle against OSU on 3rd down.
Take a shower, shine your shoes...
by Adam Collyer on Mar 31, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Duly Noted
" When you cross that Blue Line, you are mine...Across the Blue Line, it's all football. " " And what you need to do in your life is paint Blue Lines everywhere. " - Joe Paterno 2009
by BlueWhiteLife on Mar 31, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I actually think he was less inconsistent, but basically dull.
Bolden could move the ball, but virtually never scored. He could grow to be a good player, but I never felt like there was any energy in the huddle with him under center.
That’s really what I hope to see change this year.
Take a shower, shine your shoes...
by Adam Collyer on Mar 31, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
And the rest of the fans seem to forget
that Bolden had one summer with the team before starting, whereas McGloin had two springs and a summer.
Logic dictates that Bolden, the better athlete, should improve at a higher rate as time passes, but we’ll just have to see I guess.
I’ll shoot myself in the foot for saying this, but “whoever gives us a win at the end of the day is who I want as a starter (no, I don’t want ‘the best chance.’ I want the actual win)”.
by misdreavus79 on Mar 31, 2011 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Let me pitch a tent in this post...
because I’m sure the responses will make for good reading material for the rest of the day.
Dark Knight feeling, die and be a hero-or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.-Jay-Z
You mean like...

" When you cross that Blue Line, you are mine...Across the Blue Line, it's all football. " " And what you need to do in your life is paint Blue Lines everywhere. " - Joe Paterno 2009
by BlueWhiteLife on Mar 31, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Not that it matters,
Last year, I was betting hands down that K_New would be the starter to follow suit with the tradition of Paterno being loyal to the upper classmen…..Just sayin’
Settle it on the field!
My brain says its actually time for him to step down
but my heart says its actually time for him to step down.
Hmm, that was easy.
I like the thinly veiled knock thrown at Junny
Selling my Big Ten Championship rings since 2005....
@ArtieFufkin10
by Artiefufkin10 on Mar 31, 2011 10:30 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, that was straight cold.
Take a shower, shine your shoes...
by Adam Collyer on Mar 31, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I want Jones.
But what do I know really?
Publicity is like poison; it doesn't hurt unless you swallow it.
Joe Paterno
by tlrpsu on Mar 31, 2011 10:31 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Was this done in hopes that he tears his knee?
Thereby removing himself from the competition?
I kid. Obviously, I don’t want anybody to get hurt.
It's even possible that Jim Tressel drinks out of the toilet
my first thought was
was there a deliberate omission of the “& don’t get hurt” part of the Mauti article’s title?
Fire Dan Snyder
by Cari Greene on Mar 31, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm pleased with what McGloin
brought in the Michigan win last year. He even managed to give me hope for the half of the OSU game I got to watch. What he also showed me is that he just doesn’t have the arm to get it done against the best competition.
If Bolden isn’t named the starter, the right thing for him seems to be to find a new home that will give him that opportunity. I’d really like to see what Bolden can do with a real playbook. If he isn’t named the starter I hope to God that Jones is.
Unsupervised children will be given a case of 4loco and a basket of kittens
I'm still totally baffled by the arm complaint and I think McGloin's problem is entirely in the mind.
"Use their guts to lubricate our single leg attacks!" - Lycurgus
by ReadingRambler on Mar 31, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd take that point a step further
His problem is a disconnect between the mind and the arm/rest of the body. Dude has an outsized estimation of his own athletic ability. Outsized meaning detrimental to his overall play, meaning he’s just as likely to ruin the game’s outcome with catastrophic mistakes as he is to lead the team by making a few positive plays.
jtothetweet
"Cats been getting hookups on tatts since back in '01". - former buckeye Antonio Pittman
Jtot, I think you
nailed what I didn’t properly state – outsized estimation of his own athletic ability phrases it well.
Unsupervised children will be given a case of 4loco and a basket of kittens
And it's not even like he's overestimating a terrible arm.
He’s got a pretty good arm. I can’t imagine how amazing he must think he is.
AND IT SURE IS DERP
4d3d3d3 engaged.
by WorldBFat on Apr 1, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Bravo!
I actually just stood up and applauded your twist on the joke there.
by The JuggerNitt on Apr 1, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Me too
Now we’re both a couple schmoes standing at our computers clapping.
jtothetweet
"Cats been getting hookups on tatts since back in '01". - former buckeye Antonio Pittman
I'll be the one to comment on that picture.
Check out the protection. John Simon’s getting shoved into the ground, All-World and All-Jothep’s Heart defensive end Cam Heyward is being forced to take the long way round by Barham, and McGloin has time to throw (Judging by the light, it looks like the first half) an easy completion.
For all the somewhat justified flak we give Dick and Kenney, they didn’t do a terrible job last year. I’m optimistic they’ll be ok this year.
"Use their guts to lubricate our single leg attacks!" - Lycurgus
by ReadingRambler on Mar 31, 2011 11:16 AM EDT reply actions
I'm going to go there, and here we go:
I detect a pattern here, and it’s no good:
2004: Black QB Robinson sits while white QB Mills struggles and we go nowhere. JoePa later says he should have played Robinson more.
2007: Black QB Clark sits while white Italian QB Morelli stinks and can’t read a defense or beat a quality opponent to save his ass. A year later JoePa says Jay nagged him to play Clark more, and Joe says he should have played Clark more.
2011: Black QB Bolden wins starting job. Bolden goes through growing pains, watches senior, experienced receivers drop perfectly thrown balls, does well at Minnesota (11-13), gets injured. In comes white, Irish QB McGloin, looks great against scUM, great in 1st half at O$U, saves the day vs. Northwestern, but sucks vs. Sparty and throws five picks vs. UF. Bolden benched for one fumble vs. Northwestern and not picking up another blitz. Bolden never given shot in bowl game while McGloin fucks up repeatedly. Joe later says he should have played Bolden more.
Detecting a pattern here? I’m just saying.
And, by the way, I’m caucasian.
by Ab4PSU on Mar 31, 2011 11:19 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I have never been more sure that someone was wrong
My coach is better than your coach
by letsgopsu on Mar 31, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Countdown to thread closing in 5....4....3....
Take a shower, shine your shoes...
by Adam Collyer on Mar 31, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not sure if this is PC
Ticking away the moments that make up a dull day, you fritter and waste the hours in an offhand way.
I'm pretty sure you're completely and totally wrong.
Woohoo, another case of somebody trying to inject/infer race into something that it has no business being in.
It's even possible that Jim Tressel drinks out of the toilet
I don't think Joe' racist, but there is a posive correlation above.
Technically he has a point. But correlation doesn’t prove causation.
Publicity is like poison; it doesn't hurt unless you swallow it.
Joe Paterno
There's really no correlation there at all.
Take a shower, shine your shoes...
by Adam Collyer on Mar 31, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Either way
They’re coincidences. Joe=not racist.
Publicity is like poison; it doesn't hurt unless you swallow it.
Joe Paterno
The old man made a joke about
basketball and Jews and now everybody tries to paint him as some bigoted racist. It’s pathetic and demeaning of a great man who has dedicated his life to the development and advancement of kids and the university.
Not directed at you tlr…just venting in general. This is pure and utter garbage.
It's even possible that Jim Tressel drinks out of the toilet
by jman07 on Mar 31, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Wait that was a joke?
He was speaking he truth about history of race in basketball. If our society deems that as racist, that’s kind of sad.
STU
you’re right. He wasn’t really making a joke. He made it more as a light-hearted comment IIRC. It’s that comment that i remember people getting huffy about. As I’m sure you’re aware, our PC society is becoming very sad, not just kind of.
It's even possible that Jim Tressel drinks out of the toilet
I'm not sure I'd call it light-hearted.
What he said was obvious and true.
"Use their guts to lubricate our single leg attacks!" - Lycurgus
by ReadingRambler on Mar 31, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
he also does not like the Irish, according to his stories about Brooklyn when he was growing up
if this were true, McGloin would not be starting either
My coach is better than your coach
Take this flamey trash somewhere else
2004: Black Underclassman QB Robinson sits while white Upperclassman QB Mills …
2007: Black Underclassman QB Clark sits while white Upperclassman Italian QB Morelli …
2011: Black UNDERCLASSMAN TRUE FRESHMAN QB Bolden wins starting job. Bolden goes through growing pains, watches senior, experienced receivers drop perfectly thrown balls, does well at Minnesota (11-13), gets injured. In comes white, Irish third-year QB McGloin…
You wanna address race and racism in a thoughtful, engaged manner and treat the subject with respect, fine. You wanna throw up this kind of not-so-veiled tripe? You’ll have to find somewhere else. BSD is better than that.
jtothetweet
"Cats been getting hookups on tatts since back in '01". - former buckeye Antonio Pittman
by jtothep on Mar 31, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I wasn't trying to "veil" anythig.
I took an honors English course at Penn State Altoona. I got nailed for failing to document one of my points with enough examples. I was told you need three, which I listed above.
I’m not even saying it’s true or that’s how Joe thinks. But just looking at these three examples of where Joe later says “Maybe I should have played (insert name here) a little more” the race thing just popped up. I don’t believe it either, but that doesn’t mean thoughts or observations don’t pop up.
And the examples of Joe standing by Rashard Casey and picking Clark over Devlin are examples that racism is not an issue. And I’m glad it’s not. I don’t mind being proven wrong.
Are we that uptight or afraid of an open discussion that just THE MENTION of something sensitive gets people’s panties all bunched up? If so, that’s a sad commentary on the state of affairs in this country.
hey
I said in an offline sidebar that you’ve got a decent history in your 430+ comments and I thought you had just gotten a little lazy/careless with this one. Let’s just let it go with that, shall we.
jtothetweet
"Cats been getting hookups on tatts since back in '01". - former buckeye Antonio Pittman
Oh, no hard feelings at all. Don't worry about it.
Just an honest exchange of ideas and thoughts. If I come up with something off the cuff and it can be refuted, I have no problem with that.
They say one form of knowledge is recognizing what you don’t know. And I’m not always right.
Rashard Casey thinks you're a fool.
Wally Richardson merely points out the obvious underclassman/upperclassman data.
And Robinson and Mills were the only capable skill players on the team, and Mills was the accurate one.
But don’t let these obvious facts stop you.
Take a shower, shine your shoes...
by Adam Collyer on Mar 31, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Not you, mjs, but the generic "you"
Take a shower, shine your shoes...
by Adam Collyer on Mar 31, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
but this fact goes against the rest of the comment
so had to be omitted.
Fire Dan Snyder
by Cari Greene on Mar 31, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
McFavre
F it. I’m going derp!!
Love that line!
I honestly don't think McGloin can step up.
I think we’ve already seen this kid’s potential, and I don’t think he’s capable of taking this team any further than he did last year. I just can’t see him maturing up enough to say “maybe I can’t make this throw and shouldn’t try” instead of forcing one in there that likely will be dropped by the defense.
I thank him for stepping in and being serviceable enough to give JoePa win #400, but I don’t think he brings enough to the table to lift us above the “feast on the cupcakes and struggle against the other top teams” middle tier that we’ve been firmly sitting on for almost a decade.
by dbl5030 on Mar 31, 2011 11:59 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I'm with you
And I come from a school long on the Power of Teaching.
jtothetweet
"Cats been getting hookups on tatts since back in '01". - former buckeye Antonio Pittman
Ceiling
This McGloin fellow has a ceiling and its not very high. He’s only a quality QB vs the lower half of the league.
It’s when he has come up against the seriously talented defenses that he struggles. His arm isn’t strong enough and his decision making is too slow. OSU (when they realized they were much better than us – b/c they can pay their players) and UF were just too much for this kid to handle.
It’s a shame that Joe only figures out these kids deserve more time after the seasons but hopefully he starts this year with the most talented ones.
Alabama/OSU/Nebraska….they are going to terrorize someone like McGloin.
It was evident that Bolden (and maybe Jones too) has the raw talent to help this team compete on the highest level. Let’s hope that one of them steps up and takes this job away from them the reigning upperclassman disaster.
let's go state
I don’t know why people automatically think that McGloin can’t get better. Why is that? Is it because he was once a walk on? I watched Bolden play last year and if he want a “highly rated prospect” coming onto the team I see no other reason to assume he is going to mature into a great player. He looked tentative, made some horrible throws, couldn’t run to save his life, had trouble seeing the blitz, and for all that’s made of McGloins offseason Bolden’s was just as bad and in my mind worse. If he wants to leave the team I wish we would have just let him go so we don’t have to hear the whole he may our may not leave after spring practice. personally I just want the best player to be our starting QB, whoever that may be. also, I’m not going to crucify McGloin for the pick 6’s against OSU because at this point I just expect then to score a defensive touchdown everytime we play them. the number they score against us is insane. rant over
by mjs2103 on Mar 31, 2011 12:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Agree
I want the best man for the job. If it’s Bolden, Jones, Newsome, or McScruff. Heck, the best QB on the team could be Drake or Brandon Ware; I don’t give a darn. I just want the team to compete and play at the best of their abilities and let the cards fall as they may.
It's even possible that Jim Tressel drinks out of the toilet
Pre-April Bandwagon: I'm jumping from Mister Jones to Brandon Ware
Anyone who can hide a chicken UNDER a lamp is a genius.
by Aaron PSU on Mar 31, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I Love Lamp
/sorry, my last three comments have been quotes from that movie
The sea was angry that day my friends
by Bob Sacamano on Mar 31, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Do you really love the lamp or are you just saying you love whatever you see?
I'm on the Internet cause I'm an Internet thug.
by skarocksoi on Mar 31, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh, I'm sorry champ, I think I ate your chocolate squirrel
/I could go on for days…
The sea was angry that day my friends
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I love scotch
scotchy, scotch, scotch.
It's even possible that Jim Tressel drinks out of the toilet
by jman07 on Mar 31, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You know what they say, 60% of the time it works every time
The sea was angry that day my friends
by Bob Sacamano on Mar 31, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Pungent!
" When you cross that Blue Line, you are mine...Across the Blue Line, it's all football. " " And what you need to do in your life is paint Blue Lines everywhere. " - Joe Paterno 2009
by BlueWhiteLife on Mar 31, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it's typically because the biggest jump for a player is between his freshman and sophomore years
Hence why everyone is expecting Bolden & Jones to pick it up and McGloin to hit some sort of ceiling.
I’m not sure if there’s data to back this up or not, but I know it’s been referenced (and I’m not saying I necessarily agree, just that this is out there).
Fire Dan Snyder
I think one reason people may think McFavre's ceiling is lower
has to do with his being a walkon who was awared a scholarship instead of being highly recruited.
There’s just something about McGloin’s temperment that I don’t trust. Maybe it’s not his temperment but his over-confidence in his arm. I don’t know.
I just don’t think Bolden was given a fair shot. After Bolden came back, it seemed he got benched a lot quicker than McGloin did. And when McGloin screwed up, he was given a blank check to run us into a ditch.
I didn't see Bolden bringing us back against jNW.
He just didn’t look up for it. And I was sitting 80 rows up. I think the coaches saw that too, and put McGloin in to see if it would help. At that point, what could have possibly gone worse?
He didn't have to "bring us back"
we were only down 7-0 when Bolden got pulled. It was McGloin’s 4-11, 45 yd passing day that was the biggest reason we were in a hole. The running game was even having a really good day, Royster/Redd combined for 90 yards on 13 carries, including a 28-yard scamper by Redd.
Our offense as a whole was ineffective because McGloin couldn’t complete two passes in a row to save his life. If Stepfhon Green doesn’t run for 21 yards on 3rd and 3, or Brackett doesn’t make the catch of his life in the back of the end zone, Mr. Moxie would’ve put up any more points than Bolden in the first half and there’s no way he would’ve had the confidence to dig us out the hole that he was largely responsible for putting us in anyway.
False. Absolutely false.
Even though everyone’s in their little camps now, the blame does not fall on Bolden or McGloin, it falls entirely on the defense for playing like babies in the first half.
"If you were to give the United States of America an enema, you'd stick the hose right here in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania!" - Bret Hart
by ReadingRambler on Apr 1, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
You're right, the defense was terrible. But that has nothing to do with the offense
not being able to keep us in the game until the second half.
All i’m saying is everyone talks about the miracle comeback, which I’m thankful for, but no one seems to remember that McGloin was absolute garbage in the first half.
You can say we never should have been down 21-0 because the defense shouldn’t have given up that many points, but don’t call me a liar when I say we never should have been down 21-0 because we should’ve put up more points. It works both ways.
Yes, it does!
The offense, with or without McGloin, had been inconsistent all year. Fact. You cannot hand the ball to them after a touchdown and just say, “Sorry about that guys, please bail our pathetic butts out.” Hence a 21-7 deficit at the half.
The offense is not in a vacuum while the defense is on the field sucking. Momentum is usually an overrated thing, but it certainly has an effect on someone when the defense looks totally helpless (And they were).
All i’m saying is everyone talks about the miracle comeback, which I’m thankful for, but no one seems to remember that McGloin was absolute garbage in the first half.
Now I know this is wrong. Like I said in my original reply, people have been in camps for months now. Even in November “Bolden guys” were basically saying exactly what you’re saying. Just because we haven’t had these arguments in a while doesn’t mean people haven’t repeated the same talking points over and over. I’m doing it myself right now.
You can say we never should have been down 21-0 because the defense shouldn’t have given up that many points, but don’t call me a liar when I say we never should have been down 21-0 because we should’ve put up more points.
I don’t really think I called you a liar. And anyway, although Bolden was less able to read the flow of the game (As evidenced by the decision made by that guy with the 401 wins) and didn’t deserve to stay in the game because he was playing like a scared chicken, both quarterbacks sucked early that day. So, yeah, I’ll blame the defense for waiting until the second half to do something.
"If you were to give the United States of America an enema, you'd stick the hose right here in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania!" - Bret Hart
by ReadingRambler on Apr 1, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe you didn't literally use the word "liar"
but you called my statement false. And while we’re playing semantics:
The offense, with or without McGloin, had been inconsistent all year. Fact. You cannot hand the ball to them after a touchdown and just say, "Sorry about that guys, please bail our pathetic butts out."
The first sentence is a true general statement for the entire 2010 season. But the last doesn’t support that claim, instead it argues that the offense was consistently bad, which is not a fact. This game was actually one of the ones where the ground game was being effective. Therefore, this was a game where you could hand the ball to the QB after 3 TDs and reasonably expect one or two of your own.
Yes, both quarterbacks sucked in the first half. No, I’m not trying to argue that we definitely would not have been down 21-0 had Bolden stayed in. I never tried to start a McGloin vs Bolden argument.
You’re saying we were down 21-0 because the defense sucked. I’m saying were down 21-0 because the offense sucked. We’re both right. The only difference is that I’m admitting so, and you’re trying to tell me that I’m completely wrong. But all of this is a complete digression from my first post. I’m trying to say why the offense sucked, and you’re trying to argue with me that it doesn’t matter.
BOOM!
Rambler and doublefiveoh in a battle royale.
with cheese?
jtothetweet
"Cats been getting hookups on tatts since back in '01". - former buckeye Antonio Pittman
And a bag of chips, lol
I hope no one thinks I’m emotionally involved here. I actually really enjoy debating and I like learning others’ point of view.
No, I love it!
Rambler needs decent debating foes. Most of his blogistani opponents are trolls. Or MainLion.
jtothetweet
"Cats been getting hookups on tatts since back in '01". - former buckeye Antonio Pittman
You’re right on one count: I let the argument drift without realizing it. Apologies for that.
However, you’re mistaking one thing. The offense didn’t have much of a running game until the second half. Perhaps the stats won’t bear me out there, but I have a distinct memory of getting very little on the ground until after halftime.
"If you were to give the United States of America an enema, you'd stick the hose right here in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania!" - Bret Hart
by ReadingRambler on Apr 1, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
well like i said
if you’re counting 93 yards on 13 carries as very little, then yes. but that’s an average of 7 yards/carry. even take away redd’s 28-yarder, that’s still 5.4 yards/carry on 12 attempts. sure, we had twice as much production in the second half, but i guess it’s in the eye of the beholder on what “very little” means.
Michigan would have won a MNC last year with PSU's bad defense
It was bad for PSU, good for 70% of all college teams and good enough that RR would still be at Michigan if he could have fielded what we consider a crappy PSU defense.
My grammer skills need improved.
by BMAN13 on Apr 1, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well
I would say people think Bolden has a higher ceiling because, despite not being an incredible offensive dynamo, he was a still just a true freshman who showed flashes of real potential. The kid showed up on campus just a few months before the season started, so if he struggled (and he did) people were willing to forgive it.
McGloin on the other hand was a RS Soph and had 2 years in the program. He had worked the practice squad and got some reps in the spring as well. Now you can argue that he never saw any real game time, but as the season went on and he did see some playing time, I never saw him improve on his play. In fact, the bowl game was a complete disaster for him as a QB, and Michigan State wasn’t much better.
Basically, Bolden was thrust into a difficult situation and was struggling just to stay afloat, like any other frosh QB probably would be. McGloin should already know how to do the backstroke, but only seemed to be able to doggy paddle. Perhaps he can review some things in the offseason to make some adjustments, but I don’t expect to see much of a jump in his play unless he completely changes his approach.
Thats my take on it anyway.
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My reasoning
Bolden seemed off on the playbook, couldn’t read the blitz, and was too tentative. Playbook and reading the blitz is all about experience and time in the program. It would be hard to not improve at these things.
McGloin’s problem was his gunslinger attitude. Which is easier to do, get more aggresive or less. Bolden has the edge here, because experience should give him confidence to improve, while McGloin being overconfident in his abilities is really hard to change.
Overall I am team Jones, just from watching the pre game warmups, his throws seemed to be more crisp, tighter spirals, etc. So I am hoping he will be able to take over. Oh yeah, and there is a bit of wishful thinking involved.
WE'RE DANCIN!!!
Because he's been with the team longer
and still sucks. That’s why.
by misdreavus79 on Mar 31, 2011 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Bolden
will look back on taking himself out of that Minnesota game as the biggest mistake of his football life. I firmly believe this.
I was unaware that it was him that pulled himself out. I thought it was Joe.
But if he did, then I can see the regret in that.
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Only Bolden will truely know
its just my opinion. He was having a great game, got knocked to the turf hard, got his bell rung and panicked. He was dressed the following week, and iirc, it was “concussion like symptoms”. To me, that means my head hurts. I basically had a headache for 5 out 12 months for 14 consecutive years.
/Euler’d
I can relate to the headaches.
Never played college ball, but in High School, from the time school used to start until thanksgiving it felt like one big headache. I miss football.
Publicity is like poison; it doesn't hurt unless you swallow it.
Joe Paterno
THIS.
its just so much fun.
i contend that DC area BSD people should play a few pickup games this fall.
by Why did I Graduate? on Apr 1, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont want McGloin getting hurt, but
I certainly dont want him to be the guy that steps up at QB, and outside of Scranton and McGloin’s one-person dorm room, I dont think anyone else wants him to be the guy. As stated above, his ceiling is just too low. He helped us win some games, but hes not the guy that will get us to the Rose Bowl…or better.
More of it.
Why do people consider McGloin’s arm strength to not be good enough? I don’t understand that point. This is college football, arm strength probably isn’t in the top 5 of concerns. Blackledge could probably still tear it up at this level – and he was tiny by comparison to Collins.
If McGloin’s arm strength is an issue, then how is Bolden going to be our savior this year? When did we ever get a glimpse of Bolden having superior arm strength?
Ricky Stanzi won a lot of games and I never once got the indication that he had arm strength on an entirely different plain than McGloin.
Finally does anyone remember Morelli’s arm strength? It was ridiculously good, folks.
"Use their guts to lubricate our single leg attacks!" - Lycurgus
by ReadingRambler on Mar 31, 2011 1:57 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
/musbooger'd
jtothetweet
"Cats been getting hookups on tatts since back in '01". - former buckeye Antonio Pittman
Yes, I need to end more comments that way.
"Use their guts to lubricate our single leg attacks!" - Lycurgus
by ReadingRambler on Mar 31, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Morelli could really FIRE that pig, how about it, KIRK?
"Use their guts to lubricate our single leg attacks!" - Lycurgus
by ReadingRambler on Mar 31, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Young Morelli could really FIRE that pig, how about it, KIRK?
My coach is better than your coach
by letsgopsu on Mar 31, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Crap, screwed it up.
"If you were to give the United States of America an enema, you'd stick the hose right here in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania!" - Bret Hart
by ReadingRambler on Mar 31, 2011 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
You really must bone up on your Musboogering
jtothetweet
"Cats been getting hookups on tatts since back in '01". - former buckeye Antonio Pittman
Good compare/contrast in a consice fashion!
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by BlueWhiteLife on Mar 31, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
here's why I have an issue with McGloin's arm strength:
that is an important strength for his style of “gunslinging” play. If you are going to F it and go derp, then you need the arm to get the ball to the right player and not have to just heave it with all your might and hope it doesn’t land 10 yards away and in the hands of a defender. McGloin got VERY lucky on a lot of his heaves that the quality of defenses he was playing was…well quite subpar nationally, let alone at a BCS school.
But I don’t think his arm strength is necessarily his greatest weakness. I think it is his judgment, both in the estimation of his arm strength, but also in how and when to pass it, is his greatest weakness.
by The JuggerNitt on Apr 1, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
/mgo'd
McGloin got VERY lucky on a lot of his heaves that the quality of defenses he was playing was…well quite subpar nationally, let alone at a BCS school.
jtothetweet
"Cats been getting hookups on tatts since back in '01". - former buckeye Antonio Pittman
Again, I don’t think his worst throws were a result of poor arm strength. It seemed to me that his crippling interceptions were almost all a result of just stupid decision making.
He doesn’t try to throw the ball beyond his own abilities that often.
"If you were to give the United States of America an enema, you'd stick the hose right here in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania!" - Bret Hart
by ReadingRambler on Apr 1, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't remember every single one of his interceptions
but the ones that really stuck in my mind were the ones that seemed just a little bit too far and a little bit too heaved, and a lot too inaccurate.
by The JuggerNitt on Apr 1, 2011 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Whoever wins will be the best QB
Lets just hope it’s note McGloin
by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Mar 31, 2011 5:28 PM EDT reply actions
Can we re-title this "Time To Sit Down Matt McGloin"
Cory Geiger asks Paterno if talk about his future bothers him. "You bother me," Joe tells Geiger.
by Kyle_Martin on Mar 31, 2011 7:37 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
2010 was a unique year to be a QB at Penn State. The summer was the first open competition since the Daryll Clark vs. Pat Devlin derby back in 2008.
WOW! Waaaaaaaay back in 2008???
From 2008 to 2010 might seem like a long time to someone who’s 12, but I believe it’s one friggin season.
Can't imagine why, huh?
I mean, it’s not like that Daryll Clark was good or anything.
"If you were to give the United States of America an enema, you'd stick the hose right here in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania!" - Bret Hart
by ReadingRambler on Apr 1, 2011 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Step up and go away
Don’t need and don’t want him. He will lead us to now where worth going!!!
Related to marv, I presume?
Take a shower, shine your shoes...
by Adam Collyer on Apr 1, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions

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