Pat Devlin And Poor Roster Management
Sometime today, former Penn State quarterback Pat Devlin will likely be drafted into the NFL and become the first ex-Nittany Lion signal caller to be selected in over a decade. Of course, there's a caveat to that statement, though: Pat Devlin finished his college career at Delaware.
After falling to Daryll Clark in the Penn State quarterback competition of 2008, Devlin left the program at the end of the season. Since then, his name has been a lightning rod for controversy across the Penn State sphere.
It's hard to put a finger on exactly what burns Penn State fans up about Devlin. Some think he should have won the competition with Clark. Others think he quit on the program, unwilling to wait his turn. Put those two camps on opposite sides and they'll argue for hours, fanatically in some cases. Most fans, though, can probably agree that he's a great talent that got away, and that Penn State has suffered, both directly and indirectly, without him ever since.
Worst of all, most of the wounds he left Penn State with were self-inflicted and only highlighted/continue to highlight poor roster management rather than causing it.
When Devlin left before the 2009 Rose Bowl, Penn State had only Clark available as a scholarship quarterback for that game. The following signing day, the staff nabbed Kevin Newsome, a four-star ranked recruit from Virginia, and installed him as Clark's back up.
At the time, it looked like everything would be OK, and because Clark played most all of an 11-2 campaign in 2009, history will say it turned out to be. However, you could argue the staff was more lucky than good in it's management of that season. In 2010, Newsome was beaten out at quarterback by both former walk-on Matthew McGloin and true freshman Robert Bolden, neither of whom played particularly well.
Had Newsome been forced into duty for any extended period of time in 2009, Penn State would have been in a lot of trouble. Clark had no true back-up, nor slightly younger heir apparent. Just a freshman with a nice recruiting ranking, athleticism, and little else.
With Clark out of the picture in 2010, Penn State suffered from Devlin's departure even more. Rather than employing him as redshirt senior starting quarterback, Penn State opened the season with Bolden and eventually turned to McGloin. Both produced mixed results at best.
Then the real fun started. Both Bolden and Newsome threatened transfers at the end of the season and both quarterbacks' future with the program remains uncertain. To make things worse, fans have been all over the staff for failing to develop the two players, given its mixed history of failing to get results out of highly recruited prospects like former five-stars Devlin and Anthony Morelli.
Considering both Bolden and Newsome were underclassmen in 2010, that kind of criticism probably takes the eye off the ball, however. Penn State under Joe Paterno has rarely had success when counting on underclassmen, so 2010's struggles are more a product of straying from traditional Paterno values of sticking with upperclassmen than a failure in development. Fans are so blinded by recruiting rankings, stars and expectations that they're too blind to realize these guys haven't been around very long. 'Five-star" doesn't necessarily mean "Already good enough." It means the tools are there to become a great quarterback.
The fair criticism, then, is of the staff's roster management. It put all its eggs in the Devlin basket for 2010, then dropped the basket. This forced guys who clearly weren't ready to make an impact into duty. Now, the staff has at least two, and if you believe some people, three unhappy underclassmen all fighting for one football with a slightly more experienced former walk-on.
That's not a tenable situation.Someone is going to be unhappy, and someone if not some people, are going to leave.
If Penn State is lucky, one of these young guys will step up and produce in 2011 and moving forward the next couple of years. That will only put a band-aid on the problem of roster management, however. If players transfer, whichever player wins this quarterback derby will likely be without a suitable backup as the next Kevin Newsome is brought in. Then, once that winner of the current competition leaves, or worse, is injured mid-stream, Penn State could find itself back in the throes of another messy quarterback competition between underclassmen, rather than being able to just plug in one uppserclassmen ready to do the job after another.
Master and apprentice. Jedi and Padawan. Whatever you're lame analogy, that's generally how a football program should operate if it's interested in stability. Right now, Penn State not only doesn't have stability, it's doing little to set itself up for it in the future. Having a bunch of highly regarded guys battling it out is good for the competition, but ultimately, competitions have losers, and losers don't stick around. Then you're just an injury away from truly bad football.
UPDATE: Well, Pat Devlin didn't get picked. So much for that.
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I was fully in the Devlin camp
After the Oregon state game I became a believer. I’m sick of this argument. I’m confident that with pat at Thelma in 08 we still make the rose bowl. Maybe 09 is better. But it doesn’t matter. Especially the 2010 season. Who is to say Devlin doesn’t go pro after 09. Heck let’s go out on a limb and say he plays for a MNC in 08. Who is to say he doesn’t go pro then. Point is, were still in the same boat. And who knows what our qb roster is like right now if he would have won or would have stayed. I still followed him after he left and I wish him well in the next level of his career. O just hope in a few years were not on this same topic with another quarterback….
by Milne4heisman94 on Apr 30, 2011 4:19 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Stupid auto correct
Thelma is supposed to be the helm. Man I wish I chose guinness for tonite……
by Milne4heisman94 on Apr 30, 2011 4:21 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I thought it was some kind of
weird reference to Thelma and Louise.
This is BSD, the crazy stirs itself.
by Paige2PSU on May 2, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wish the kid well
but if he had stayed, I believe he would have been drafted a lot higher.
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by SarcasmJam on Apr 30, 2011 6:12 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
yes, I feel the same way.
I still say practicing against PSU’s no 1 D and playing one year in the big 10 would have prepared him better for the NFL. Its an opinion many may disagree with but he didn’t face more than one player per game that would have started on a Big 10 defense and Delaware ran a shotgun offense that was much more bland than what he would have run at PSU last year, since he would have known the offense inside and out. He felt playing was the better choice, I still believe that learning would have helped.
My grammer skills need improved.
This isn't about recent situations with the roster,
It is about mismanagement of talent.
Penn State has been accused of this for years. Didn’t PSU recruit Jim Kelly? We told him that he would make a great linebacker. He didn’t want to be a linebacker so he went else where. I know it isn’t about what the players want to play. It is what is best for the team.
There are numerous examples of situations like this. We have seen it before. We will see it again. This situation is not specific to Penn State. Other colleges experience similar scenarios.
Even though I don’t always agree with the coaches on who gets to play and where they get to play. I know they have had a good track record over the years. I believe there has been many more success stories than failures.
Settle it on the field!
PSU also recruited Blackledge and Hostettler as qbs at that same time.
Hostettler ended up transferring (see?…this isn’t something new) after losing out to Blackledge. Blackledge won a national title, Hostettler won a Super Bowl, Kelly played in 4 Super Bowls and is in the Pro Football HOF. Suppose he had come to PSU as a qb? Good chance he transfers, too.
I also don’t believe Kelly had many qb offers. I don’t think Pitt…who were excellent then…offered (of course they just got Marino). I think Miami, which was NOT a top program then (were just about to start to become one) was one of the few D1 schools that offered him as qb.
Obviously Kelly was a great qb, but I think he could’ve also been a good linebacker. But I really don’t care. PSU won their 1st NC during the “Kelly college years” without him and I’m thrilled with how it all turned out for everyone.
Not over a decade
Michael Robinson was drafted in the 4th round in the 06 draft by the 49ers, even if he was drafted more as an overall athlete than as a QB.
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So if Joe leaves sometime within the next 2 years...
he will leave the cupboards “full” ( that really depends on how you feel about our recruiting overall) but the next person in charge will be left with this similar problem. I’m pretty sure the articles here mentioned that transfers were definitely a possibility the moment all of them verbaled to us. So we knew this could happen, I just don’t think anyone thought that 2 players would think about leaving.
I wonder how much of this is because we don’t have a clear offensive identity. Are we a Spread HD team still? Or are we now working around what type of QB we have? It’s still not perfectly clear to me. If the QB’s had a better understanding of how the offense would work with them, maybe they would be content with being a backup to fight for the job the following year.
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Your last paragraph is definitely something worth speculating about.
Yeah, it’s great being able to adapt so much, but I’d rather be more certain about our offense than we currently are.
All in though, I don’t care even a quarter as much about the quarterbacks as I do our fairly screwed up offensive line system.
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by ReadingRambler on Apr 30, 2011 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree, but that is what we do here!
PSU’s playcalling, since even Rashard Casey/Kevin Thompson era can adjust to the type of QB PSU has under center. The o-line is the deciding factor every year that determines how much hate goes towards a QB, at least that is what it seems to me. Had PSU had a more experienced QB last year they would have been better, not great. The o-line came around, I thought, though never becoming great. I don’t get why it takes so long for the line to gel. PSU was known for its lines in the 70’s and 80’s. Just plugged guys in. Even in the 90’s I don’t recall bad line play, some goofy switching and undecided players occasionally but not bad lines that have hurt teams from being MNC caliber.
My grammer skills need improved.
Honestly
Seeing Phil Taylor go in the first round bugs me more than the Devlin thing, we could have really used him last year. As we look at the players who have left or been kicked off the team, I wonder what a different staff who didn’t stick to their principals would have done. Maybe Devlin would have started no matter what (ala Pryor his freshman year) and off the field issues would have been brushed under the rug (ala the rest of college football) and we would have seen Taylor, Bell, and others stay at Penn State. But that is not how it is done at PSU, and I am happy with that.
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by psu on Apr 30, 2011 9:04 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Sticking to principles is one thing
I don’t think the dirtiest team in the country would have kept Bell after he pulled a knife on his teammate. It doesn’t matter how much you pay the players if they’re getting stabbed by their WR. As for Taylor: he obviously straightened himself out and became a great player. Was getting kicked out of PSU necessary for that transformation to happen, or could he have straightened himself out at PSU if the coaches had been more patient with him? We’ll never know, but my money is on the former.
by newenglandnittanylion on Apr 30, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Browns fan here
HATED the pick.
Love the fact that the Browns traded down, hated the pick, especially when a much, much better player (Cam Heyward of Ohio State, who went to the Steelers) was still available and when players roughly as good (such as Ollie Ogbu) were going to be available in the 4th round or beyond.
Taylor was criminally lazy in workouts (as reported by everyone) and in the classroom (my sister’s roommate was his Spanish tutor and testified to this), and the Browns spent a first round pick on him with better guys available. Life as a Browns fan….I don’t recommend it.
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I disagree about Heyward
I don’t think he’s anything special. Taylor is going to anchor that line for years.
Taylor can take up space
and that’s about it
I've got the brains. You've got the looks. Let's make lots of money.
I'm a Steelers fan, but....
…I think the Browns made a great trade and had a very good draft.
I will never understand trading the store to get a WR like Atlanta did. WRs, in my opinion, are a dime a dozen and can be gotten in lower rounds. The Steelers got 2 last year. The Browns abused the Falcons with that trade.
Completely agree that Atlanta was on the wrong end of that trade
Trading up to get a WR is just dumb
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I thought Heyward was terrific in college...
…and will be a great pro. I was disappointed, as a PSU fan, that he didn’t turn pro after his jr. year.
Can we come to an agreement?
Let’s resolve to stop beating this dead horse, say, 2 years after Devlin’s Hall of Fame induction. We obviously haven’t had enough time to cover all of the arguments just yet.
by esteele on Apr 30, 2011 9:29 AM EDT reply actions 5 recs
Sometimes I feel we blame the management when it's just
young men not being happy that they weren’t the better player. But yes, I agree there is some lack of development. But what do you recommend that the coaches do? Best thing is to get real time experience for these guys. However, during our 11-2 season with DC, what, did you want him pulled so Newsome could have more experience?
What is your suggestion to manage the talent better?
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OK, final word on the Devlin transfer thing
Yeah, it was a tough break for us. It screwed up our QB succession plan pretty royally. But, asking a supremely talented kid like that to ride the bench until his senior year would have been a tall order—and let’s face it, Clark wouldn’t have given Devlin too many opportunities to see the field in 09, either.
Having Devlin at the helm in 2010 would have been a big improvement, but it wouldn’t have changed the fact that our O-line was useless until November and our defense was a shadow of its usual self—maybe we’d have been a 9-win team instead of a 7-win team, but it’s not like we missed a shot at a Big Ten title or anything. Devlin did what was best for him, and in the end, it didn’t do THAT much damage to our program.
It’s too bad that our QB prospects aren’t further along. Then again, the season is a long way away, and the B/W game wasn’t exactly informative; maybe they’re further along than we think. In any event, I stopped thinking long ago about what “could have been” with Devlin, and you all should too.
by newenglandnittanylion on Apr 30, 2011 10:24 AM EDT reply actions 9 recs
"I stopped thinking long ago about "what could have been"....
with Devlin, and you all should too." I agree with that 100%!! He left…DC#17 was 22-4 AND you could probably make the arguement that what if TP signed here and what would have happened assuming his Jeannette baggage came along with him. Speculation is just that and the succession progam at QB at PSU is what it is and will probably not change much under present coaching strategy (60+ years). A lot of programs are very similar. You’d always like a QB who could start for 2-3 years and yet no matter what, you have transfers and/or dissatisfaction among the backups…it’s a fact of CFB life and it ain’t gonna change.
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by DerryPharmer on Apr 30, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
^ This
The quarterback position is inherently inclined to the prima donna (or pre-Madonna if you prefer) mentality. Most of the kids that end up coming to Division I programs have been told their whole lives that they could toss the rock better than everyone that anyone has ever seen. Also, they have been extremely successful to this point due to confidence in their “tools” and “talent.” When a coach tells them that they are not going to start because Player X outperformed them. . . some will pout, run away and take their talents to South Beach, some will work harder in practice to get better and push the guy ahead of them, and some will rest on their talents and wait their turn.
by psdeuce on Apr 30, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Me, too.
I stop thinking about the guys who leave as soon as they’re gone. Who cares what happens to them? They decided to leave so I’m done with them. No matter how they do at another place doesn’t mean they would’ve done the same at PSU.
I am firmly in the “play with the cards you’re dealt and with the guys who wanna be here” camp. Guys that leave Happy Valley, no matter the reason, are dead to me (in the football sense).
How did the coaches "drop the basket"?
What could have been done? I think one could make the argument that the coaching staff has handled QB roster mgmt perfectly, but the kids just haven’t delivered on the field.
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by Illegal Formation on Apr 30, 2011 12:26 PM EDT reply actions
We're midway through the 4th round
and PSU has only had one guy drafted so far. Ogbu and Royster are both seen as boderline draft picks.
What happened the last time PSU had 0-1 guys drafted? That’s right…2005.
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No offense Fugi
This article was as bad as your other QB one was good. Penn State did NOT mismanage the QB situation. Devlin lost the starting position to Clark, and we won 22 games with QB17 at the helm. Devlin didn’t want to wait his turn after the coaches made the correct choice to go with Clark, and so he transferred to play two years instead of one. Both Devlin and the PSU coaches made the decisions they felt they had to make. I get no more upset about Devlin leaving than I do about losing a potential QB recruit, because sometimes a kid just wants what he wants. What here was mismanaged? Was Devlin really going to stick around if he played against Iowa? How can anyone know that?
So Devlin’s gone, and then we had Clark with a highly touted freshman QB backup two years ago. How is that bad? OSU managed fine with Boeckman and Pryor, was that any different? USC does it almost every year, plugging in Leinart after Palmer, then Booty then Barkley. These situation happen almost everywhere. We had the reigning all B10 QB, with a supposedly talented backup. IF Newsome panned out, we’d be in a good situation.
But he didn’t. It happens, because rankings aren’t perfect. Again, this is not a problem that is localized to PSU. Fortunately, we brought in Bolden and Jones, who are 4* and 5* players depending on what services you look at. We plugged a talented true frosh in because that’s who we thought was best. Many schools do this! And he did alright, and was starting to come on before he got hurt. So we turned to the fallback option, Moxie McGloin, and we rode his hot hand until he cooled off in the bowl game. Up until that game, where was the mismanaging? Guy gets hurt, plug the next guy in. Considering how mediocre the surrounding talent was, PSU did pretty well with a walk-on leading the charge. I don’t see any poor decision-making.
So sure, we have a sh*tstorm now, because we have a bunch of talented guys who want to play. Hopefully, the best one gets the job, and leads us to a great season. Hopefully the others stick around and wait their turn. But this is major college football, and these are guys who want to play. But only one lines up under center. If the ones who don’t want to try their hand somewhere else, more power to them. But I certainly don’t see it as “mismanaging” the situation…
/rant
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by Cpiritual27 on Apr 30, 2011 1:10 PM EDT reply actions 9 recs
Some people with blogs would say your first sentence should be reversed.
…or at least that they both suck. I’m just calling it like I see it.
I don’t think you can compare Kevin Newsome and Matt Barkley/Terrelle Pryor (if that’s what you meant). They weren’t just highly touted, they were the No. 1 prospects in their respective classes. Newsome clearly wasn’t on that level, and it was foolish of the staff to think he could handle things if Clark had gone down.
As far as this season goes, we’ll have to wait and see what happens. I’m just pointing out that having four guys between the sophomore and junior classes could cause some major problems. What if the guy with the highest ceiling leaves? What if the guy who wins gets significantly injured and there’s no suitable back up? It could all turn out OK, and I understand you’re point that this kind of thing isn’t localized to PSU, but the potential exists for this thing to go horribly, horribly wrong simply because the QBs are too concentrated in two classes. Forget their development, which may or may not be going well, Penn State could end up screwed simply because it has too many guys at the same age.
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by Adam Bittner on Apr 30, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
What I gathered from this comment is that
unless you get the number one guy at his position that year you’ve already failed and that competition is bad…mkay. It sounds like you saying that programs should not bring in more than QB in successive classes and that guy has to be OMG awesome.
I mean, I don’t really understand what you expect the coaching staff to do. They brought in a kid they liked (Newsome) who they thought would work out but hasn’t yet. They then brought in a couple more guys either because after Newsome got on campus they realized he may not work or to create competiion, or both. I don’t know what else they can do.
So I guess what I’m saying is, what the hell should the coaching staff do?
Yeah
That’s exactly what I said.
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by Adam Bittner on Apr 30, 2011 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
heck, we didn't even want Newsome at first.
Let’s not forget Tater 4CA was our target that year, but RichRod got greedy.
by The JuggerNitt on May 1, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
You're right
It might be a bit disingenuous to compare Newsome to Pryyor or Barkley. But he was a 4*, top 10 QB according to Scout, so he wasn’t seemingly theoretically far off from their talents.
I could make the better comparison to Tate Forcier, who despite getting benched as a sophomore, was actually pretty decent as a freshman (as much as I hate to say it). If we had those kind of expectations for Newsome as a freshman, and it actually translated to the field, I don’t think any one of us would be complaining.
In my opinion, the biggest domino that didn’t fall was Newsome panning out. Maybe it was his talent level, maybe it’s the coaching, or maybe the scouting services were just wrong. But if he worked out like we expected, I don’t think anyone would be unhappy with our QB situation right now.
"We heard all that talk all week about the SEC and their speed, but we knew personally that they weren't nearly as tough as us."
-Tony Hunt
And if Newsome worked out...
…then maybe we now have QB’s spread out over 3 classes, assuming one of Bolden/Jones plays this past year, and the other redshirts. If one of them pulled a Devlin then sure, we’re back to square one. But that’s a risk you take with highly recruited QB’s. It seems like no one outside of U$C can keep them all…
"We heard all that talk all week about the SEC and their speed, but we knew personally that they weren't nearly as tough as us."
-Tony Hunt
Devlin lost the starting position to Clark, and we won 22 games with QB17 at the helm.
So difficult for some people to understand this. Clark beat out Devlin for the starting job. Devlin quit the team. End of story.
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by Mr. Rosewater on Apr 30, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I'm struggling to figure out what we're talking about here.
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by ReadingRambler on Apr 30, 2011 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
There has to be something else going on,
because we’re STILL talking about the topic.
P.S.: Mr. Devlin didn’t get drafted either. Done. Bye. We have other QB races to argue endlessly about.
by misdreavus79 on Apr 30, 2011 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Holy Shiite - thank you Cpiritual27
Perfect summary of what happened.
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by SarcasmJam on Apr 30, 2011 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
DING! DING! DING!
This is spot on. We hear a lot of talk on here about how the “highly rated Bolden can’t beat out a former walk-on”. Well ok…then what about Devlin? He couldn’t beat out the lowly rated Clark! What’s that say about him??
Bottom line is Devlin was BEATEN OUT FOR THE QB JOB. Case closed.
We're still talking about Pat Devlin?
Really?
Really?
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by Joe 96alum on Apr 30, 2011 1:46 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm just glad
we’re not still talking about Hostettler and Kelly. Wait…
by Pallet on Apr 30, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
That's the only thing that bugs me about Devlin.
That we’re still talking about him. My interest in Pat Devlin disappeared at the same time he did. No ill will. Just no interest whatsoever.
I root for the players on the roster, and I’m always interested in reading about the grads. Transfers? Meh.
This arguement is incomplete
if not just flat wrong. The coaches can hardly be blamed for Clark being granted an extra year of eligibility, and that’s what changed this situation. Clark was granted the extra year of eligibility. If Clark had not worked his tail off in the classroom to be granted that extra year, he would have been gone after 2008 and Devlin almost definitely would have stayed.
Fugi, I really like your stuff. Your posts are well thought-out, informative and humorous. This one, however …
by joe_knows on Apr 30, 2011 4:25 PM EDT reply actions 6 recs
Clark worked his tail off everywhere
he earned everything he got, flat out
by letsgopsu on Apr 30, 2011 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Let me rephrase this in another way:
Clark worked his tail off everywhere. He earned everything he got, flat out.
by misdreavus79 on Apr 30, 2011 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Exactly, joe_knows
Really, Devlin transferring hurt the team for 2010 only. That’s it. A 5th year senior QB such as Devlin would have helped PSU be more competitive and win more games in 2010 only. It affected PSU not smidge in 2009, and actually might have helped PSU in 2011 and beyond (Bolden and McGloin get no game experience if Devlin is the QB in 2010). This is being way overblown. And to say something like “(PSU) put all its eggs in the Devlin basket for 2010, then dropped the basket” is speculation at best. There so much more to such situations behind the scenes. And this isn’t the SEC – PSU can’t sign 31 players every year. Devlin left, PSU football has moved on, but the author of this story inexplicably has not. If Devlin was as good as he’s being made out to be, he would have beaten out Clark and been drafted today. Or yesterday.
by JoePa Forever on Apr 30, 2011 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree in sentiment
but I do believe we would have run a different offense in ’09 if Clark had a star back-up like Devlin in the waiting. I just remember too many 3rd and _ where I was thinking—- just run it Darryl, but there was no way he was going to do it. If he went down, we were screwed and our playcalling and coaching affected that.
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by SarcasmJam on Apr 30, 2011 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This
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by BlueWhiteLife on Apr 30, 2011 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
But PSU has consistently put all their eggs in one recruits basket over the past few years
and has often skipped classes entirely without recruiting a QB. Sometimes they pick up 2 who are virtually the same eligibility. It creates a logjam and, in turn, creates a problem on the depth chart.
It’d be more effective if they made an effort to pick out big time prospects every other year and picked up one QB or slash guy in the other years. How nice would it have been to take Cordale Jones (a 3 star kid in Ohio who was begging for an offer), redshirt him, and have him for depth for the next few years?
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It seems like "mismanagement" because Newsome didn't pan out
I’m not trying to knock the kid, but he wasn’t what we expected him to be. If Newsome panned out, then we could’ve had him starting as a true sophomore (possibly for 3 years!), while getting one of the true freshmen (PJ or Bolden) some snaps and redshirting the other. Now we have a starter for potentially 3 years, and guys to fill in for the next two years, if they don’t pull a Devlin and leave to play two years instead of one.
Sure, in an idyllic world we’d be getting a stud every other year, with some solid 3* guys to fill in the gaps. But EVERYONE wants to play, so this is easier said than done. Even Marcus Lattimore, the best freshman RB in the nation, decided to immediately drop PSU from consideration after Royster announced he was staying. He wanted the easiest path to immediate playing time (as well as staying close to home, in this case), as many of these guys want and think they deserve. It is what it is.
I guess all I’m trying to say is that I think we’ve done pretty darn well with QB recruiting the past couple years (three 4-5* QB’s!). If one of them pans out and leads us like Clark did, I don’t think we’ll be complaining about this kind of “mismanagement” any longer.
"We heard all that talk all week about the SEC and their speed, but we knew personally that they weren't nearly as tough as us."
-Tony Hunt
It would have been very nice.
Sadly, I can’t ponder the thought of a Glenville player going to PSU. I’ll be shocked if that day ever comes.
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by ReadingRambler on May 1, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Agree
The mistake was pulling all the eggs in the Pryor basket. Dan Persa should be a Nittany Lion. He would have run the 2005 offense, but with Moye blowing by people instead of a freshman year Butler. He would have run the option with Royster/Green/Redd, and the OL would have looked a lot better right away. IMO that OL was probably pretty close to the 2005 OL. Starting with a QB who held the ball too long, wasn’t accurate on his deep ball with any consistency, and couldn’t really throw on the run made it look worse than it really was. IMO with Persa (or Devlin) this team wins at least 10 regular season games, and may have split Bama/OSU.
I’m actually worried about QB recruiting this year. I just watched film of Nosovitch and Hills. Anyone who rips on McGloin for throwing into tight spaces despite a sub-NFL arm should be dreading signing Hills. IMO he looked a lot like a young Zack Mills. And Nosovitch’s arm strength might not even be that of Mills. He’s athletic, and might make a really nice slot WR if he can catch, but he’s not an answer at QB. The staff needs to find someone with legit talent outside of our recruiting area and put the full court press on him, quick – or we’ll be right back in this situation in two years. Sooner if you’re in the ‘anyone but McGloin’ camp.
I think Nosovitch's tape is really interesting.
He’s not a pro prospect though. He’s a bigger Persa, which might actually be perfect for us.
Rankin committing to Rutgers yesterday is pretty surprising and disappointing, but there’s a long way to go between now and signing day.
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by Adam Collyer on May 1, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
IMO he's Zack Mills with more speed.
He might be taller than Persa, but he’s not bigger and certainly not stronger. He’s also not nearly as nimble. Persa put some really impressive moves on our defenders this year. Nosovitch actually reminds me of Zug when he runs the ball, and might make a good slot WR if he can learn to catch. But no one who called Mills’ and certainly McGloin’s arm ‘popgun’ or ‘candy’ (not saying you did Adam – people in general) should want PSU to recruit Nosovitch, or Hills for that matter.
are you talking about Mills pre or post shoulder injury?
I was quite satisfied with his arm beforehand.
by The JuggerNitt on May 1, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Before that injury,
Mills had a pretty good arm. The 45 or 50-yard td pass to Tony Johnson against Iowa in ’02 comes to mind. And he had great touch on his passes, too. He was never the same after that injury, though.
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Mills was quite fast, faster than MRob. Ran under 4.6 at his pro day
My grammer skills need improved.
it isn't so much McGloin throwing it into tight spaces without the rifle arm
but the arm punts he puts into the air into double+ coverage that really bothered me.
by The JuggerNitt on May 1, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
The solution is
to recruit, sign and retain one and only one future pro qb (either a 5* prospect, or a 3* prospect that isn’t properly evaluated because only PSU is recruiting him) every 2nd or 3rd year, only. Make sure the kid doesn’t pull a signing day hat trick and change his 17 year old mind, or have a dad that wants a couple hundred grand from an SEC school. Make sure that kid stays out of trouble, doens’t think he deserves to play right away, learns the offense, matures physically, has a skill set that translates to D1 and is a natural leader. Also keep an upperclassman around to fill in if the starter gets hurt and the next future pro qb isn’t seasoned enough yet. Also, this 3rd string qb has to be able to at least manage a game, meaning he could probably start at a lesser school, but not care if he ends up sitting on the bench for five years at Penn State. I, as well, can not understand how Penn State continues to screw this up.
The problem is the evaluation of 17-18 year old KIDS
Nobody knows what is really going on their head. you cant go into a recruiting season and pick just one quarterback and say he is our guy. cuz if he goes somewhere else you are in trouble. you have to have a few targets. it just so ahhpens that we had 2 really good targets ina recruiting class and they both wanted to come to penn state. what are the coaches to do? tell kid 2 “hey we dont want you anymore” ? no, you take what you get. I trust this coaching staff. people keep complaining about our current situation and the Devlin/Clark thing. i can think of worse problems we could be in. like we put all of our chips on one guy and he didn’t pick us or got hurt. we have 3-4 very capable quality quarterbacks. we could have none. we could be going into the season opener with Matt Seneca and Chris Ganter.
by Milne4heisman94 on Apr 30, 2011 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait
Is someone trying to say this might be hard to do?
Sarcastradamus!
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by SarcasmJam on Apr 30, 2011 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
thanks for understanding
and damn you for taking an awesome user name. Wish I would have thought of that.
Could it be possible Delaware only prepared him to be a free agent signing?
My grammer skills need improved.
I think it just means he got horrible coaching at UD, since when he left PSU he better than the Big 10 offensive player of the year.
My grammer skills need improved.
by BMAN13 on Apr 30, 2011 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
just because he was the backup...
that doesnt mean he was better than the player in front of him…. unless you’re alabama ;)
JoePa – coaching PSU 140 Characters at a time
by jaytay13 on Apr 30, 2011 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Not his fault
It’s that stupid helmet
Eff it...I'm going derp
by JuniataMan on Apr 30, 2011 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Very surprised Devlin didn't get drafted
I never followed too closely, but I got the sense that he was pretty much a lock as a mid-round pick. Maybe I got sniped by PSU haters without even realizing it.
I hope he catches on somewhere. Always thought he was a good kid.
by newenglandnittanylion on Apr 30, 2011 8:20 PM EDT reply actions
Hindsight 20/20?
I would argue that early declarations for the NFL draft have hurt PSU far more in the past five years than roster mismanagement, esp. in the QB position. Justin King’s and Navorro Bowman’s senior years? If Aaron Maybin had been rushing off the edge for the past 2 years instead of freezing on the sideline in Buffalo? I know King would be a year removed, but the latter 2 playing their senior years would have eased a lot of growing pains on the last years team. Revisionist history is hard to contend with. It’s like drunk logic. I need to get off the internet and excercise the demons/re-live the highlights of Penn State History-past in video game form.
by ilione on Apr 30, 2011 9:45 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
I predict
these facts will help us next year and the year after.
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by SarcasmJam on Apr 30, 2011 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
This is the last time I'll make mention of this
One very basic truth in D1 college football is that recruiting is 90% hype. The kids who get the most attention are most often the ones who have people around them marketing them. Very often this marketing begins in jr. high and kids are invited to camps and given gaudy star ratings based soley on that reputation. This was always the case with Devlin. He had local writers touting his 1st round status before he graduated high school.
These people who were sold a bag of magic beans back in 2006 were looking to this weekend for vindication. For years I’ve read this weekend was going to prove beyond a doubt that Joe and Jay don’t know what they’re doing… What an epic blunder they had by chosing the guy who won 22 games and nearly led us to a national title game.
Clark was the better QB in 2008, the coaches were right, and the case is closed: Devlin was all a bunch of hype.
by millzners on Apr 30, 2011 10:16 PM EDT reply actions 8 recs
Devlin should be forgotten
How do you leave a team as it is heading to the Rose Bowl? Your post was dead on. End of story. Thanks for a TD against O$U. You left for a better shot at the pros? You go undrafted – could have done that by staying – so what did you really get at Delaware? See you in Arena football, which was the equivalent of the talent you played against in the Subdivision. TOOL.
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I've argued at length against the 'benefits' of trasferring.
However that was entirely too harsh.
by PSUEnrg02 on May 1, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Finally this stupid debate about Devlin can be over
His supporters can suck it now, because in the end, he did exactly what Clark did in the draft, the only difference being that Clark went undrafted going 22-4 at the D1 level, which IMHO, is much more valuable. Devlin wasn’t a 1st or 2nd round pick like everyone was predicting when he left for Delaware. He wasn’t picked. Clark got 2 years of starting FBS experience under his belt, Devlin got 2 years of FCS experience instead of 1 year at a much, much more competitive level.
I hold, and never did hold, any grudges or bad feelings towards Pat, he did what he thought was best for his career, but the relentless illogical “What if…” scenarios that PSU “fans” have been blindly pouting about for two years can finally be silenced once and for all. It’s over, you lost.
Yeah, it's never been about Pat.
For me, it’s always been about the people who screamed to high heaven about “Pat leading us to a win at OSU” or “Pat being pissed because he ended up on the depth chart behind Derrick Williams” (both of which are, at best, extraordinarily disingenuous). Just as terrible was the, “Clark went 22-4 and won all kinds of awards, but Devlin was OBVIOUSLY better and the competition wasn’t fair.” Sure, in your heads.
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by Adam Collyer on May 1, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Did he even throw a pass in that OSU game?
Besides the one that led to the PI penalty against OSU?
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Yeah, this. I have no problems with Devlin and wish him all the best. I feel bad that he didn’t get drafted and hope that he can catch on somewhere as a free agent (if he wants to pursue that).
The people who bother me are those who have constantly complained about Clark being chosen to start over Devlin despite ample evidence that it was the right decision – or at the absolute minimum, a reasonable decision. It’s particularly ironic is because one of their biggest arguments is that Clark went undrafted while Devlin was destined to not only be drafted, but to be some taken in the first 3 rounds or something. Yesterday was sweet vindication against those blowhards.
(Not that Devlin being chosen high in the draft would have “proven” that PSU made the wrong choice. A player can be a quality college QB without being a top NFL prospect – like MRob – and I don’t think Clark’s lack of being drafted reflects poorly on his status as a very good college QB.)
Exactly...
After all, the undisputed, without a doubt greatest college qb of all time – Tommy Frazier – wasn’t drafted, either. And no one can dare to argue the magnitude of his awesomeness.
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by icavalera on May 1, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
he's back today
on one of the other articles, posting a link to a Bleacher Report article. I didn’t click on it.
Fire Dan Snyder
Those are the same people,
who think an 11-2 season is a failure. They’re just not rational.
This is BSD, the crazy stirs itself.
Devlin and 2010
I feel that the only game he might have hepled PSU win instead of lose was the Outback Bowl. (The only close loss was to Michgan State and the passing offense really wasn’t why PSU lost that game.)
Clark was the right choice in 2008. I thought so then and still think so. He is PSU’s third best QB in the Big Ten era after Collins and Robinson.
Clark 08, Jay still says that Clark was off the charts with the accuracy charting they did in the spring and fall that year.
He still says the decision wasn’t close and all the coaches knew that.
My grammer skills need improved.
So when he or Joe talked publicly about how there wasn't much difference between them
do you think they were just trying to make Devlin feel better about losing the competition?
I think they were just hoping he wouldn't transfer, which of course happened anyway
They were trying to soothe the ego of a top-recruited QB
Fire Dan Snyder
Wait, so what your saying is that the coaches know what they're doing.
That’s impossible
by lion09 on May 1, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs

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