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Time to Step Up: Drew Astorino

/looks around surreptitiously....Are we in the clear? Did that nasty Injury Jinx blow on by? Are we continuing to play with the proverbial fire? Would a real fire be a deterrent for Injury Jinxes? Or, did I just double jinx us into some new affliction to our football team? Hey, speaking of fire, did you see this tee hee funny on twitter the other day?: 'I bet the firemen in alarms 2 through 5 are all pissed that they had to get all dressed up and get in the truck for some chili.'

Aaaaannnnyway, let's get on with it and talk about this observer's prediction for a defensive team captain: Drew Astorino. If Michael Mauti is one of our favorite kinds of Penn State football players (a legacy talent whose father also played for Joe Paterno), then Drew Astorino could be described as one of the more polarizing kinds of Penn State football players: an undersized, flat of foot defensive player who impresses coaches with sure tackling, appears in a high number of defensive snaps and who may or may not be of Eyetalian descent. These players have been a staple of Paterno-led teams and have occasionally been the source or subject of much angst among our plenty-polarized fanbase. Most fans these past few years, however, have given Drew more than a fair shake, especially in light of his relatively solid play while playing through injuries the past two seasons.

Star-divide

 

Astorino arrived in the Class of 2007 as an unheralded recruit (3* Scout/2* Rivals; probably headed to Kent State if Joe hadn't offered him) out of Edinboro. He came in with 4*s Chazz Powell and Nick Sukay and was expected to provide depth in the secondary. He redshirted that year, but immediately pressed for playing time in the excellent 2008 season, coming in as the nickelback to the starting rotation of Tony Davis & Lydell Sargeant at CB and Anthony Scirotto and Mark Rubin at Safety, despite BSD staff preseason anxiousness about his upside

You'll remember Rubin as the only wide receiver with a functioning pair of hands in 2004.  He's being pushed by lightly-recruited redshirt freshman Drew Astorino, which is simultaneously inspiring for Astorino's sake and terrifying for the rest of us.

He was seen breaking up a pass in Week 2 vs. Oregon State (link included for the fun thread full of weed jokes), and went on to have a fine season. He ended up starting 3 games (2 at nickel and one at free safety) and finished 9th on the team in tackles with 39 (and one TFL) in his RSFR season. Not too shabby. In 2009, it was more of that upward trajectory, despite playing through a painful shoulder injury: he started 12 games and finished 4th on the team in tackles behind Hull, Bowman & Lee, with 62. He was also notably revered by the coaching staff, who felt he was one of the few who could be trusted to field punts, despite his obvious lack of speed. Or moves. Or any intention whatsoever of actually making a return, as Mike pointed out after the Michigan game in Week 8:

The punt return game...seriously guys. Absolutely terrible. I shouldn't complain because they are catching the ball, but what was up with Zug catching the ball and starting to run only to find out Drew Astorino called for a fair catch? It's like the Keystone Cops out there. Let's put the dual return man thing to bed. There is absolutely nothing dynamic about our punt return game right now. Something tells me Joe Paterno likes it that way.

Astorino had surgery on the injured shoulder immediately after the 2009 season, but in August of 2010 reinjured it in a way that likely affected his play throughout last season. Playing through pain again, he still managed to start 12 games and to be the 4th best tackler again, finishing with 70 on one of Penn State's more mediocre defenses of the last 20-30 years.

So where does that leave Astorino heading into this, his RSSR season? For starters, we hope he's healthy and we haven't heard anything contrary to that, so maybe he'll have a chance at a good season (well, only if this Step Up jinx is indeed past us). But beyond his toughness, which is undisputed among both teammates and fans, Astorino's other major attribute is his leadership. This is something the coaches saw in him very early on. He's bright, he understands positions and picks things up quickly and thoroughly, and these skills, along with his inherent toughness, help him be a leader on the field. I'm guessing that that extends also to the locker room. I normally really suck at predictions, but I'll state here that I expect Drew to be named one of this season's team captains for these reasons. Lastly, here is a video interview with Astorino that Fugi captured, where a few of these intangibles can be seen and heard if you watch and listen closely.


Now that's quite a few 'obviously's,' but I'll add one more: if the Penn State defense is to realistically return to Dominance this season, it will need some solid senior leadership.  And it's into this position that Drew Astorino needs to step up.

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Most fans these past few years, however, have given Drew more than a fair shake, especially in light of his relatively solid play while playing through injuries the past two seasons.

I think, mister, that your use of “most fans” is equivalent to the phrase “silent majority”. I know which side RUTS and all of those “no white safeties” people are on.

"'Do you have a go-to move?' 'I have seven of 'em.' 'Do you want to share maybe a few?' 'Naw, you'll see 'em.'"

by ReadingRambler on Apr 5, 2011 11:44 AM EDT reply actions  

Just in case my phrasing isn't clear...

I don’t think RUTS is one of the “no white safeties” people.

"'Do you have a go-to move?' 'I have seven of 'em.' 'Do you want to share maybe a few?' 'Naw, you'll see 'em.'"

by ReadingRambler on Apr 5, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I like Drew

He brings far more to the table than what he takes off.

It's even possible that Jim Tressel drinks out of the toilet

by jman07 on Apr 5, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I spent most of last season defending Astorino.

Dude can make a textbook tackle. I think he’s a natural choice for Captain.

This is BSD, the crazy stirs itself.

by Paige2PSU on Apr 5, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Amen

didn’t Joe also say of Astorino, “that little Italian can run”?

My coach is better than your coach

by letsgopsu on Apr 5, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not a "no white safeties" person. Because that's stupid.

Astorino is a lot of things, but top notch safety isn’t really one of them. He’s played hurt for the past two or three years and should get all of the credit in the world for that. He is not a good tackler anymore because of that shoulder. In reality, he should be a 5th or 6th DB at a place like Penn State. Love the guy’s courage and determination, though.

And really, if the defensive line has another bad year, it’s going to make guys like Astorino look worse than they really are.

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by Run Up The Score on Apr 5, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with this...

half of his career he has played hurt.

I think he might be best suited in the nickel spot and let Sukay and WIllis play safety. There’s also the kid who gray-shirted who may be good too.

by Artiefufkin10 on Apr 5, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

You just said what I've been trying to say.

But much more succinctly.

I agree 100%. Having said that, I hope he has a fantastic year because I am a PSU fan and I want what’s best for the team.

by J Breezy on Apr 5, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, and great point about the d-line.

That’s where pass defense starts. NOBODY can stay with a WR for very long, nor can any system contain them very long. If a qb has time to throw then most times the secondary is going to be picked apart, burnt, toasted,…whatever you want to call it.

If the d-line doesn’t pressure the qb, then Astorino won’t be the only d-back looking bad.

by J Breezy on Apr 5, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

And I really don't ask for top notch from him.

I want him to be good and I think he is good. He’s frequently better than our two Rose Bowl starters: Seamus O’Crappy and Franz von Crapperheim.

I think people watch the limited number of really good safeties in college football (It doesn’t help that Ohio State and even Iowa had that luxury) make big plays and then come away thinking our decent safeties are terrible in comparison.

"'Do you have a go-to move?' 'I have seven of 'em.' 'Do you want to share maybe a few?' 'Naw, you'll see 'em.'"

by ReadingRambler on Apr 5, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

So...

I take it Anthony Scirrotto is NOT your hero…

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Apr 5, 2011 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

You might say that.

"'Do you have a go-to move?' 'I have seven of 'em.' 'Do you want to share maybe a few?' 'Naw, you'll see 'em.'"

by ReadingRambler on Apr 5, 2011 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

We're not racist, we love white people

Ford trucks, apple pies, bald eagles

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by skarocksoi on Apr 6, 2011 7:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is oooooouuuuur country!

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by The JuggerNitt on Apr 6, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

The politically correct term

for “no white safeties” is “more athletic safeties”

by Tailgate Shogun on Apr 6, 2011 8:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well played TS

Hire Mike Pettine Jr!!!!!!!!

by SweepTheLeg on Apr 6, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hate to say it....

…but I’m thinking the same thing. Look…we make fun of the SEC a lot on here, but there’s no denying the conference is the best overall and also usually has the best team. I just can’t see a guy like DA starting at all, let alone for 3 years, on the top teams from the SEC. Or Ohio State, for that matter. He’s just too slow and small. Like everything else about him, but at some point the team needs talent on the field over the overachievers.

Seeing DA on the field just reminds me of how PSU is a step behind the top teams in the country.

Just my opinion…..

by J Breezy on Apr 5, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve heard the too slow and too small complaints many a time, but I still have yet to see anyone or any tape prove that Drew Astorino is a liability. He’s good. He’s not even mediocre, he’s good.

SEC safeties may be blacker faster and bigger, but there are plenty of mediocre safeties on their defenses. My word, people, Auburn’s pass defense was an utter joke and they went 14-0.

"'Do you have a go-to move?' 'I have seven of 'em.' 'Do you want to share maybe a few?' 'Naw, you'll see 'em.'"

by ReadingRambler on Apr 5, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

On a list of all PSU's problems defensively last season

I’d say Astorino was about 8th or 9th on the list. He might not be flashy, he might not be a world beater but he gets the job done.

It's even possible that Jim Tressel drinks out of the toilet

by jman07 on Apr 5, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

he also isn't as slow as everyone says

I would be he runs 4.5 or a tad faster on his pro day.

My grammer skills need improved.

by BMAN13 on Apr 5, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think some people see a white DB

and automatically think he must be slow.

Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed.

by icavalera on Apr 5, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

he looked really fast in high school, quarterbacking his football team and leading scorer on his basketball team leading both to state championships his senior year. He was a running QB and a slasher in bb. He also played out of position last year after Sukay went down. He moved up and played the strong safety spot, which he is a tad small for.

My grammer skills need improved.

by BMAN13 on Apr 5, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is an important point to go with the injuries

I missed emphasizing the change of positions.

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by jtothep on Apr 6, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I also think that some people see a black DB...

…and automatically think he can’t tackle well and makes too many mental errors.

Both are incorrect auto assumptions.

by J Breezy on Apr 5, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed.

by icavalera on Apr 5, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Clarification:

By “both” I meant the white and black DB stereotypes. (I didn’t mean in that context the two incorrect auto assumptions often made about black DBs, although those are incorrect as well.)

by J Breezy on Apr 5, 2011 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I figured that's what you meant.

That’s how I read it, anyway.

Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed.

by icavalera on Apr 5, 2011 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I strongly disagree with this.

I’ve seen plenty of evidence to suggest that people assume white DBs are slow, unathletic, etc, but I’ve never seen anything to suggest people assume anything about black DBs other than “Black skill player, there’s a surprise.”

"'Do you have a go-to move?' 'I have seven of 'em.' 'Do you want to share maybe a few?' 'Naw, you'll see 'em.'"

by ReadingRambler on Apr 5, 2011 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think when the kind of people who automatically assume

that a white player is slow and unathletic, but despite this, makes up for it because he’s “smart”, and “fundamentally sound”, they’re kind of implying the opposite of black players.

Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed.

by icavalera on Apr 6, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

It seems to me that whenever people talk about good black safeties,

they will rave about his athleticism and how hard he can hit, implying the other parts are lacking. For example if someone asks if someone is good looking and you go on about how they have a nice body and mention nothing about the face it seems to imply they are ugly.

So I think the stereotype is there, though not as strong as with white safeties.

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by bigs26 on Apr 6, 2011 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which would you rather have, slightly slower or smaller but a sure tackler, or someone who may possess more inherant physical gifts but whiffs too many times?

I truly am curious. I’m defnitely not an Astorino “fan” (he was my response when Mike asked on Twitter who we’d like to see this series of articles chronicle) but I’m not sure someone else would be better. He’s definitely a leader out there in the secondary, calling plays to the other guys and playing hard through injury. And anyone can have a missed tackle, but I don’t remember this being an issue for Astorino, possibly ever (even as a RS Freshman).

if we are using him in run coverage, too, which it seems like we are, I think I’d rather have a smart, sure tackler than someone who’s just big and fast.

Fire Dan Snyder

by Cari Greene on Apr 5, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd rather have neither, to be honest.

The Faustian choice you laid out is not the only option. There are sure tacklers who are more physically gifted than Astorino. That’s what I’d like to have.

I don’t dislike Astorino. He’s a solid player and a good tackler (though not great as many seem to believe), but he’s a plug-in guy. I’d rather see somebody who OCs game plan away from instead of towards. I like to think that PSU can do better than a guy like Astorino, that’s all.

by J Breezy on Apr 5, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would agree with you

but for some reason, each player the staff has drafted recently to be the “athletic” safety, gets moved elsewhere. Hodges, Powell, etc.

It's even possible that Jim Tressel drinks out of the toilet

by jman07 on Apr 5, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would too.

I would like to go 14-0 and win the national championship with all the nation’s top talent. I promise, if we had that player we would play him. But within the team, the choice we have (for the upcoming season) seems to be move someone athletic there who is not comfortable with that position. Would you rather have someone back there with a higher ceiling on any given play (Newsome, Hodges, the popular choices etc), but who will make more mental errors and be out of place more often than Astorino (a fair assumption I think given that it’s his 5th season in the system)?

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by PSUinBOSSton on Apr 5, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

To paraphrase Branch Rickey...

“If we can go 7-6 with him, we can go 7-6 without him.”

I’m just saying that I think guys like Astorino are the reason PSU has struggled recently with good teams. His playing is a big reminder to me of why that is so and that bothers me. Yes, I think I would like to take a chance with a guy with more of an upside than staying with the known, which while not awful, is not great either.

Again, the fact that a guy like Astorino (not getting personal with him) starts for 3 years to me indicates that there is a talent shortage. A program such as PSU should be able to get a better player in there. Guys like Astorino should be like Colasanti….stick it out and see the significant PT their senior year when they play almost by default. I mean…we’re not talking about some All American here. Heck, he wasn’t even All Conf. by the coaches and was just honorable mention from the media.

by J Breezy on Apr 5, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I think we are dealing with one of the most difficult positions to play.

Especially when your team in front of you is not getting pressure, and is missing tons of tackles. You are also given a lot of responsibility over the defense.

I also disagree on going with a more athletic guy who has more of a chance to make a big play. I feel pretty confident that he is going to give up more than the return we would get when compared to Astorino. Of course, I would want a big time safety that can do it all, but it’s rare in the NFL let alone CFB, and I don’t see college football loaded with those guys. I think the real failure is recruitment/development along the dline, as was pointed out above.

I guess our disagreement here is purely fundamental. I think there are only a couple of the type of player that would satisfy us both out there (HS seniors) each year. Failing that, give me the minimum number of HRs and missed tackles I can get. If that means a pass another player would have intercepted is completed for 10-15 yards, so be it.

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by PSUinBOSSton on Apr 5, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno....

I get what you’re saying…I really do. But I think there are plenty of better safeties in CFB than Astorino. I think he’s decent, but nothing more than that…nothing special.

The coaches didn’t even vote him honorable mention All Conference. That means he’s at best the 7th or 8th best (out of 22) safety in the conference. Extropolate that best case scenario of being the 7th or 8th best out of 22 over 240 starting safeties (pretty sure there are 120 D1 teams) and that means there are roughly between 74 – 85 better D1 safeties. I’d just like to think that a program like Penn State could get at least 2 of the top 74 – 85 safeties in the country to come and play for them. Actually I think they should be able to do even better and should be able to get at least 2 of the top 50.

I know this is a rather bizarre method (above) of trying to prove my point, but I just don’t think there’s such a dearth of better safeties than Astorino out there in college football land. I personally think there are many better and quite possibly some of them are currently wearing the blue and white of dear old State U., and if so I’d like to see them get the majority of the PT.

Again though, I would like nothing more than to eat crow at the end of this season with my feelings on Astorino. If he’s the starter then I hope he tears it up. And I especially hope he gets a pick 6 in Columbus!!

(As for “going with a more athletic guy who has more of a chance to make a big play. I feel pretty confident that he is going to give up more than the return we would get when compared to Astorino.” Well, that “more athletic guy…” basically describes Troy Polamalu and his play.)

by J Breezy on Apr 5, 2011 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fwiw, yeah there are 120 teams

But some of those are places like WKU and EMU, and those…. well, FCS teams could beat them.

Also, I think people should realize that the south generally produces more talented secondary players, which doesn’t help PSU. Usually the NE will produce 1 talented secondary guy to the 3 or 4 the south will produce. It’s kinda stacked against us, especially at safety.

by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Apr 5, 2011 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know that some of those teams...

…are essentially D1 in name only. I guess what I’m trying to say is that PSU, if it wants to be a top 1 – 20 program, should be fielding players at least in the top 30 (or better, really) at their position.

by J Breezy on Apr 6, 2011 5:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

eh, I think you're taking the rankings a bit extreme

There are probably a dozen safeties in college football who are noticeably better than the rest. Safety #80 isn’t likely much worse than safety #20 or 30 (especially then if you start throwing in other factors like supporting teammates, defensive scheme, etc).

by The JuggerNitt on Apr 6, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe I am, but it's an important position.

It can really hurt an otherwise good D (remember Derek Fox?).

by J Breezy on Apr 6, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

nope, can't say that I recall that name.

Oh wait, do you mean that guy who picked off Minnesota in that final play back in our 99 MNC season? That guy was awesome!

by The JuggerNitt on Apr 6, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Don't blame JuggerNitt.

It’s my fault. I should’ve never “gone there”.

by J Breezy on Apr 6, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

There's a reason the position

is called “safety”

I’ll take in-position, sure tackling, any day of the week over the ability to bait a QB and close on a pick.

by PSU Mudder on Apr 5, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, Ohio State has made it a habit...

…of beating Penn State in Columbus roughly the past 10 years with pick sixes.

by J Breezy on Apr 5, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

By their cornerbacks...

"'Do you have a go-to move?' 'I have seven of 'em.' 'Do you want to share maybe a few?' 'Naw, you'll see 'em.'"

by ReadingRambler on Apr 5, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll take Ahmad Black.

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by Run Up The Score on Apr 5, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll take Eric Berry.

Who wouldn’t?

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by PSUinBOSSton on Apr 5, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

/Whistles while Tyler Sash outperforms him for two straight years.

"'Do you have a go-to move?' 'I have seven of 'em.' 'Do you want to share maybe a few?' 'Naw, you'll see 'em.'"

by ReadingRambler on Apr 5, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

The slowest safety in human history?

Well, I guess that could work in the MAC…

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Apr 5, 2011 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

solid fundamentals is the calling card of the Penn State defense

and Drew Astorino. He’s one of my favorites on the defense, and we’ll miss him when he’s gone.

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Apr 5, 2011 1:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Agreed.

Although part of me likes him inherently because he takes so much abuse. Call it Josh Hull syndrome.

Take a shower, shine your shoes...

by Adam Collyer on Apr 5, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unless he plays nickle, I hope we dont

as that probably means that either Sukay or Astorino are hurt again. I look forward to willis in the future though. I really liked his play as the year went on (minus that one terrible play against MSU).

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by skarocksoi on Apr 5, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sukay is the guy i think will have a big year.

I can see him making some huge hits for us this year.

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by tlrpsu on Apr 5, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now Sukay I like.

Most were down on him early last year, but I saw a big, athletic, faster than most think guy who could lay the wood. But I’m not sure about him this year. I hope his injury doesn’t hold him back.

by J Breezy on Apr 5, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought Sukay looked pretty good last year.

He was tied for interception in the BigTen when he got injured.

This is BSD, the crazy stirs itself.

by Paige2PSU on Apr 5, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

OOPS,

Most interceptions in the BigTen.

This is BSD, the crazy stirs itself.

by Paige2PSU on Apr 5, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Torn pec muscle

- but I haven’t seen anything else in detail on the true nature of the injury. I just assume it was closer to a full tare.

He did play well, and would normally expect him to improve; but without any follow-up on his recovery…I wonder.

Being a ‘major’ muscle injury, he is pretty limited – if not basically ‘off-limits’ in upper body conditioning; soooo that’s kinda an important factor to consider. I could even venture a guess that it would even hurt to run…since you normally move your arms when you run/shoulder muscles and movement translate to your chest. So in that case, a lot of bike riding?

But still, my mind for his improvement again includes being physical; just guessing he would most likely be quite a bit behind in the weightroom. I hope I am way-off in this perspective.

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by BlueWhiteLife on Apr 5, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Speaking of tough and playing with injury...

As memory serves, Sukay stayed in the game for a series or two AFTER getting that injury. How he managed that is beyond me.

by J Breezy on Apr 5, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

A good ‘manzere’ would be my guess…

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by BlueWhiteLife on Apr 5, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

For a frosh, I thought he played really well. Had a nice pick in the OSU game and played pretty well in coverage. The exception coming in that travesty MSU game.

Either way, the secondary wasn’t great last year because of injures/position shuffling. The sooner the coaches lock down a starting 4 or 5 (nickel), the better they will be.

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by Artiefufkin10 on Apr 5, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm talkin 'bout Willis

But you’d be right.

Obligatory: WatchyouTalkin’BoutWillis?

by Artiefufkin10 on Apr 5, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry, I got lost in the thread.

Didn’t notice Willis’s name.

This is BSD, the crazy stirs itself.

by Paige2PSU on Apr 5, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Funny...

I don’t remember seeing a pic of Poz within this thread?

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by BlueWhiteLife on Apr 5, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's letsgopsu's domain.

This is BSD, the crazy stirs itself.

by Paige2PSU on Apr 5, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like him

but I just don’t see him supplanting either of the other two starters at safety unless they get injured, which I don’t want to see happen. I’m comfortable with him coming in as the #3 guy if a starter does go down though, and I’m comfortable with him starting in the future as well.

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by skarocksoi on Apr 5, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

And the thing in the MSU game was mental.

That comes with experience. At the risk of sounding like a total tool, he’s got more upside than the more experienced safeties.

Go Lions !! if

by Illegal Formation on Apr 5, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Willis! (akin to Jesse.)

Kid played physically. I saw less field/play ‘guessing’ and less general ‘aloofness’ on his behalf; but more instinctive/athletic play skills. He played more sure of himself, than less.

" When you cross that Blue Line, you are mine...Across the Blue Line, it's all football. " " And what you need to do in your life is paint Blue Lines everywhere. " - Joe Paterno 2009

by BlueWhiteLife on Apr 5, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Based on the comments in these "Step Up" articles

we are going to be really bad this year because everyone sucks.

My coach is better than your coach

by letsgopsu on Apr 5, 2011 2:20 PM EDT reply actions  

If everyone on the team steps up,

then we’ll win the BCS!

This is BSD, the crazy stirs itself.

by Paige2PSU on Apr 5, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like Drew Astorino.

I like Malcolm Wills better, but even with my incomplete “feel” of who would be a better strong safety vs. free safety, I am positive we need to start two of them. Then again, I’m glad someone else thought enough of Nick Sukay to bring up his name. It is quite possible that they both step up, but one of them steps up more (2 the streets?) to gain the lead. I am high on Willis, though. Seriously, I don’t think I can express in logical terms how much I like this kid’s moxie. This hoss has nothing but upside.

Quite honestly, “Step down, Dave Astorini” was more a reference to the fact that the Big Ten Network needs to FIRE GLEN MASON. Clearly Willis needs seasoning, but as long as someone comes up to take the other safety spot, I’m cautiously optimistic about the middle of the secondary.

I almost didn’t mention:

by Aaron PSU on Apr 5, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is a strange step up to me

This is almost like, Step Up, don’t get hurt. To me, Astorino is a solid player, probably honorable mention All-Big 10 if he stays healthy. But that’s his max, if he’s healthy, so he can’t “step up” much more than that because of his natural limits.

by STU Boy on Apr 5, 2011 3:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Will you still say that,

if Astorino is made Defensive Captain?

This is BSD, the crazy stirs itself.

by Paige2PSU on Apr 5, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep

You don’t have to be a leader and be a starter, just like Step Green last year.

Now, I won’t really have any problem with Astorino starting, I’d just rather one of those too.

by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Apr 5, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Perhaps we should have titled the "Step Ups" this week as "Leadership Week"

In case you haven’t caught on yet, the big reason we’re doing the guys we’re doing this week is that we have video of them from media day. The reason we have video is that the staff/athletic department thinks these are the guys that put the best face on the program, ie leaders. So…yeah.

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by Adam Bittner on Apr 5, 2011 5:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Well, that ruins the whole thing!

"'Do you have a go-to move?' 'I have seven of 'em.' 'Do you want to share maybe a few?' 'Naw, you'll see 'em.'"

by ReadingRambler on Apr 5, 2011 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Safety

I would like to see Sukay (if healthy) and Willis as the starters. I frankly don’t think Astorino should even be the nickel back if Powell stays at corner. Obviously Lynn is one starter there and Morris and Powell are both better than Astorino.

by Barrister2659 on Apr 5, 2011 8:40 PM EDT reply actions  

this depends on the type of nickel formation they are running--Powell and Astorino are VERY different types of players

And, though I do love Powell, saying he’s better than Astorino is just not something I can agree with. He’s obviously faster, as one of the fastest guys on our team, but there’s a reason why he practically never (or never, period) started on defense. Safeties and corners are NOT interchangeable. While I think Lynn is a better player for his position than Astorino, I wouldn’t want to see him play that position—because he’s obviously a cornerback.

I do however agree about Sukay and Willis.

Fire Dan Snyder

by Cari Greene on Apr 6, 2011 7:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Powell can't play linebacker, while Astorino can

which is what is usually asked of the nickel in PSU’s formation. Underneath routes and watch for the draw.

My grammer skills need improved.

by BMAN13 on Apr 6, 2011 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Astorino moved to nickel last year in that situation

except when Dailey came on. The passing skills of the team dictated the type nickel they played. Good passing teams got Powell/Morris it seemed. Good option teams got Dailey

My grammer skills need improved.

by BMAN13 on Apr 6, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think we should run 0-11-0 defense

Nothing but linebackers. DBs? We don’t need no stinkin’ DB’s!

It's even possible that Jim Tressel drinks out of the toilet

by jman07 on Apr 6, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Astorino is what Penn State........

is all about, or should be. Good kid, good student, probably plays above his ability. Was 2 minutes from going to Kent State. He’s always in position and rarely misses a tackle. I never see the back of his jersey as he keeps things in front of him. Don’t forget the Penn State defense isn’t designed to allow a lot of glory from the safety position. Bend but don’t break, remember? He is a good fit for PSU’s defensive philosophy.

When you put those black shoes on tomorrow, and you put on that jersey without your name on the back, and you put that plain helmet on, that's tradition. Penn State tradition!

--Who else?

by run4peach on Apr 6, 2011 8:40 AM EDT reply actions  

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