Can Devon Still's Senior Year Be As Good As Jared Odrick's Was?
On Tuesday, after taking a much-needed break from uber-busy-ness and dipping into the warm, fuzzy, familiar confines of the BSD commentariat, I got typically carried away and wrote this:
I don’t see any reason why Devon Still can’t be as good as Jared Odrick was his senior year.
Now, note I chose my words carefully and included plenty of linguistic qualifiers, but still: that's a pretty high bar. Jared Odrick was named by opposing coaches as the Big Ten Defensive Player of the Year the same year Brandon Graham, Ryan Kerrigan, O'Brien Schofield and 2009 Adrian Clayborn were terrorizing offenses from defensive line positions. Is it out of the question for Devon Still to reach that kind of company?
Historically, both Odrick & Still took similar, highly-recruited, paths to Penn State. Odrick was a 4* recruit who arrived in that crazy 2006 class at 6'5", 303 and with a 5.0 forty time. Still came in the next year much smaller, also a Rivals 4*, at 6'6" 251, with a 4.9 forty time. Still was very highly recruited and may have been one of the last recruits Joe Paterno left State College to recruit. But Penn State's strength & conditioning HIT program has at least worked very well for Still, as he is now listed at 6'5", 305.
While only a year apart originally, Still is playing two seasons beyond Odrick because of two nasty injuries that set him back early. In the August, 2007 Media Day, Joe had this to say about the injury:
Well, we had an injury yesterday that really bothered me. We had a good, young kid by the name of (Devon) Still. He hurt his ACL yesterday, and I'm pretty sure he's out for the year. That was a real setback, but other than that, that was the only one we've had so far.
Then after working hard through recuperative therapy and appearing ready to contribute on the field in 2008, Still ended up on the wrong end of a pile up and broke his foot, missing most of that season as well. It's a shame, because we might have seen a few years of the two of them playing on the field together.
Meanwhile, Odrick, who actually started out at DE his freshman year, got to learn the tackle position from future NFL linemen Jay Alford and Ed Johnson and went on to start seven games his sophomore year, before it too was cut short by a knee injury.
But getting to the comparison, Odrick's and Still's junior seasons look very, very similar, save for one glaring metric: overall team defense rank.
They had nearly the same numbers of tackles, tackles for loss and sacks, but Odrick's team defense finished 5th in the country, while Still's finished 45th. In Odrick's junior year, he played alongside new starting tackles Ollie Ogbu and Abe Koroma and alongside veteran DE's Aaron Maybin, Josh Gaines and Maurice Evans. But he was backed up by linebackers Tyrell Sales and new starters Navorro Bowman and 2008 Josh Hull.
In Still's junior year, he played alongside veteran Ogbu and the rotating carnage at DE. He was also backed up by an equally varied mishmash of weak, injured and young linebackers. After the Alabama game, during which he learned first-hand the lessons of cut-blocking, Still came back and had a very good year. Some of it was lost amidst other glaring weaknesses, but there were a whole bunch of plays last year that saw him in the backfield causing disruption. I suppose a case could be made that these facts support either player having had the better year: Still flourished despite a weaker supporting cast, or Odrick was a man amongst men.
It remains to be seen how good the 2011 Penn State defense will ultimately be. At the least, we are probably looking at an improved linebacker squad, even if some of it is addition by subtraction. The defensive end position remains a question mark of talent, but returns a great deal more experience and health this year, despite the early loss of Pete Massarro. I mean, it's got to end up being better than 45th in the country. Doesn't it? If the backers can settle into a smaller rotation and continue the cohesion they displayed this spring (and actually make all their tackles!) and if the ends can provide just a little more contain than they did last year, this defense has a chance to return to the top ten we have come to expect of them. And if they do, Devon Still could have a monster senior season.
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I wish I could say yes...
but no. And your point about the DEs is key. Teams are going to run at Crawford, who will be out of position (if he’s even in there) all day. I know Maybin wasn’t necessarily a run stopper, but the overall defense could cover for 1 out of place player. With the questionable DEs this year, more LBs will probably have to blitz and I just don’t see Still have as good as a season as holes in the D will be exposed. Not that it means he won’t be as good as Odrick — but his season won’t measure up. I’m still more optimistic than most (9 wins?), but I don’t think Still will be recognized until the next level.
I just don't want to die without a few scars. ~Chuck Palahniuk, Fight Club, Chapter 6
The biggest problem with the DEs was not positioning, except for some scattered plays.
The big problem was that they played like babies.
"The more I say, the more I have to take back." - Norm Parker, revised
by ReadingRambler on May 19, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Now see...
I was trying to be kind. Those who live in glass houses, shoudn’t be defensive ends.
I just don't want to die without a few scars. ~Chuck Palahniuk, Fight Club, Chapter 6
man, you just ruined my idea for the next great "reality" TV show
by The JuggerNitt on May 19, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I would love to see it...
Bad DEs living in a 4 bedroom house together. Of course they would keep missing each other and never interact with anyone.
I just don't want to die without a few scars. ~Chuck Palahniuk, Fight Club, Chapter 6
by LB31Monster on May 19, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'd think they would run more @ Lattimore than Crawford
I AM PHIL DAVISON AND I WILL NOT APOLOGIZE FOR MY TONE TONIGHT
by ICEICETHATGUY13 on May 19, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Stanley played well against the run
and should see some good PT this year(hopefully at DE). Another interesting situation would be to watch and see what the staff decides to do with Jones. I know he was moved to DE in the spring because of the injuries to Crawford, Lattimore and Massaro, but I wonder if he’ll remain there this fall. My guy tells me no. But we all know Joe’s gut is the only one that counts.
I got Tiger Blood running through my veins!
I could see Jones
getting some reps at DE just for lack of bodies but I think he’ll end up playing most of the snaps at DT. Although, if PSU is up against a heavy o-line or a strong running game, he could slide out to help stuff the run.
It's even possible that Jim Tressel drinks out of the toilet
It's also important to remember that Odrick's defensive end companions in 2009, while solid, weren't world beaters either.
I don’t see why Crawford, Olaniyan, Lattimore, et al, can’t be at least solid.
"The more I say, the more I have to take back." - Norm Parker, revised
One year wonders are possible.
Still was slowed by injuries early in his career, but the coaches have loved him since the very beginning. If anyone is primed for one of those dominant years out of nowhere, it’s him. And Mauti, for that matter. Guys we know are talented but haven’t had a chance for a sustained run of success yet.
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by Run Up The Score on May 19, 2011 2:28 PM EDT reply actions
/looks in Maybin's direction
"The more I say, the more I have to take back." - Norm Parker, revised
by ReadingRambler on May 19, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
He never should have left though.
Any person with a ring in his ding-dong needs to re-think life.
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If you'd like to know: yes
If you’d like to know why I know. That’s another story.
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I'm not sure why, but I kinda do want to know why you saw Project Mayhem's Mayhem
by dawsonPSU10 on May 20, 2011 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, I didn't see it
but I was leaving the room as it was placed on someones shoulder. That was my signal to go home.
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by Ben Jones on May 20, 2011 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
if you didn't see it
then how do you know that it was placed on someone’s shoulder? (and also that it has a piercing?)
by The JuggerNitt on May 20, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
He should have left
Prime example, Maurice Evans. Huge Soph year, middling Jr year and lost millions and millions of dollars (although he should have came back for his Sr year). Who’s to say that Maybin wouldn’t have had the same fate. If you’re a top 10 pick and can get like $20 mil gauranteed, you take it whether you’re ready or not. From a playing point, he should have stayed, for optimizing your financial situation, he made the perfect decision.
It's even possible that Jim Tressel drinks out of the toilet
by jman07 on May 20, 2011 6:55 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Also...
“Sack up and stick me”
Unsupervised children will be given a case of 4loco and a basket of kittens
It was "Sack up and stab me" I believe
Possibly the most bad-ass response EVER
by dawsonPSU10 on May 19, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
this is it
I put it in the tweet, but dumbly omitted it from here in the post…
jtothetweet
"I am amazed that people still think apologizing in such a way as to make it clear that it was the victims who misunderstood is acceptable. I had hoped that the sorry-if-you-are-oversensitive school of apology would by now have been thoroughly discredited." - former Penn State & NBA player, John Amaechi
I went 4 pages deep in
google looking for an article with that quote, but alas my efforts have proven nothing.
Unsupervised children will be given a case of 4loco and a basket of kittens
I know, me too
It’s become lore around here, but it didn’t come from nowhere. It probably went the way of bhgp’s Beaver Stadium White Power post.
jtothetweet
"I am amazed that people still think apologizing in such a way as to make it clear that it was the victims who misunderstood is acceptable. I had hoped that the sorry-if-you-are-oversensitive school of apology would by now have been thoroughly discredited." - former Penn State & NBA player, John Amaechi
I remember reading the newspapr article
at the time – CDT I think – so i know it existed at one time, but any trace of it is gone
Unsupervised children will be given a case of 4loco and a basket of kittens
Well, it lives on in our hearts
And we’ve got another full season of badass to drop it live.
jtothetweet
"I am amazed that people still think apologizing in such a way as to make it clear that it was the victims who misunderstood is acceptable. I had hoped that the sorry-if-you-are-oversensitive school of apology would by now have been thoroughly discredited." - former Penn State & NBA player, John Amaechi
I'm frustrated that I can't even find references to the reference
The earliest references I can find are from you, but not even relating it to Still/Bell. It definitely didn’t come from nowhere (though I don’t think it was in any sort of official article, instead just a hearsay, which is good enough for me)
by The JuggerNitt on May 20, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, my guess
Is it was in a player quote inside an FOS or BWI article which has since been removed.
jtothetweet
"I am amazed that people still think apologizing in such a way as to make it clear that it was the victims who misunderstood is acceptable. I had hoped that the sorry-if-you-are-oversensitive school of apology would by now have been thoroughly discredited." - former Penn State & NBA player, John Amaechi
but I can't even find a reference on BSD
just a bunch of random “sack up and stab me” comments that would only be funny if the context was already previously known…so there must have been an origination on BSD somewhere, and yet I can’t find that anywhere.
by The JuggerNitt on May 20, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe Jenn Brown convinced Ruts in an email to remove it?
jtothetweet
"I am amazed that people still think apologizing in such a way as to make it clear that it was the victims who misunderstood is acceptable. I had hoped that the sorry-if-you-are-oversensitive school of apology would by now have been thoroughly discredited." - former Penn State & NBA player, John Amaechi
by jtothep on May 20, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Jenn Brown, Senior, Economics?
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on May 20, 2011 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
WTF?
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on May 19, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
you don't know what that's from?
Chris Bell (Stabby McStabberson) threatened Devon Still with a knife (supposedly over a cell phone case?), to which Still reportedly replied, “Sack up and stab me.”
I can’t imagine Still being intimidated by anyone on the schedule.
by The JuggerNitt on May 19, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah. I thought it was the McShankerson incident.
He just couldn’t cut it on the pump-and-go, could he?
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on May 19, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Cut it out
We’ve already stabbed this meme to death (…and yet it’s still funny)
by dawsonPSU10 on May 20, 2011 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions
You can't just slice up a meme whenever it suits you.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on May 20, 2011 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Look
even though we all like to poke fun at McShankerson the meme is old. That said, the point of it still cuts straight to my funny bone.
It's even possible that Jim Tressel drinks out of the toilet
Aren't you just the old cut up.
This is getting passe to the point of being dull.
My grammer skills need improved.
I agree, it's one thing when it's sharp wit
but I’m sure there are plenty of other things we could jab at
Definitely
The guy is more physically gifted than Odrick was. He’s probably got less to work with on the ends, but more in the middle. And the secondary will be better than it was in 09’
so yes, definitely
I AM PHIL DAVISON AND I WILL NOT APOLOGIZE FOR MY TONE TONIGHT
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