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Jim Tressel Finally Resigns From Ohio State

For several months, we've covered the controversies surrounding Ohio State's athletic department, from the initial charges received in late-April to the questionable automobile "purchases" and the reaction to them.  Today, the first real casualty from these incidents has emerged.

Jim Tressel, rogue coach and all-around good guy, has resigned as head football coach of the Ohio State Buckeyes.

And you thought this offseason would be dull.

In theory, this should come as no surprise.  A coach in Tressel's predicament would have been discontinued by most schools at the very beginning.  That he survived five months since the first allegations broke is a testament to Ohio State President Gordon Gee and his loving motto -


That sound bite will be replayed ad nauseum today.  What could have prompted such a drastic shift in position from the Buckeye administration?  As reported last week, George Dohrmann, a Sports Illustrated contributor, had been in Columbus investigating the Buckeye program and had written an article that is said to detail Tressel's unethical football business dating back to his tenure as head coach of Youngstown State.

Star-divide

Dohrmann's no slouch journalist.  In 1999, his thorough investigation for the St Paul Pioneer-Press resulted in Clem Haskins dismissal from the Minnesota Golden Gophers basketball team.  That earned him a Pulitzer Prize.  Just this past year, Dohrmann co-authored the story of Josh Luchs, a former agent who has admitted to paying college athletes.  Though Ohio State claims that Tressel's resignation is "unrelated to the media," Dorhmann himself notes on Twitter that his story will likely be posted at some point today and that the timing of the decision will "make sense after you read it."

Taking over for Tressel will be assistant coach Luke Fickell, a former Buckeye nose guard.  Fickell was tapped to lead the team during Tressel's five game suspension this year and will act as interim head coach for the entire season.

This is not a good day for the Buckeyes, who lose a coach that went 106-22 (for now) and may very well be the best coach in program history.  This is, however, a very good day for college football and the Big Ten in particular, a league that prides itself on doing things the right way.  This doesn't solve the problems for Ohio State; they'll still appear in front of the Committee on Infractions in August and have to account for the multiple issues in their football program.  For now, however, it appears as if the university is finally being proactive and taking steps to clean up Columbus.

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Can't believe it took so long, shame on O$U for no having the stones and doing this months ago

Wait until The Vest starts to spill the beans and what he knows.

I think The Vest is actually a very good game coach just not a good leader of young men.

Hire Mike Pettine Jr!!!!!!!!

by SweepTheLeg on May 30, 2011 10:49 AM EDT reply actions  

You said everything I was going to. Shame on Tressel, and double shame in OSU for endorsing him in the face of all of the evidence.

by 92-74-99-96 on May 30, 2011 11:08 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

"Wait until The Vest starts to spill the beans and what he knows."

lulz

Doug: "Why don't you tell him that your total salary last year was tweleve dollars?!?"

Arthur: "That was after taxes!!!"

by JakeBuckeye on May 30, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think The Vest is actually a very good game coach just not a good leader of young men.

I think the players’ tweets would disagree with you. Then again, who knows?

Stoneburner: Tress taught me life lessons and how to become a man. I will forever be grateful that I played for such a great man. He is irreplaceable.
Jon Thoma: Awful. He deserves so much more. I can’t stomach this right now. Love you Tress, and thank you for everything.
Carlos Hyde: 14-0 sounds good to me doin it for tress
Chimdi Chekwa: We just lost a great coach nd a great person. Its a sad day for a former player. Tress gave me more than an opportunity he gave me a roadmap
Adam Griffin: People hate to see winning. They hate success and that’s what tress was… Successful
Donald Washington: I would love to be suiting up for the #bucks with all the bs going on I gotta feeling the Buckeyes are gon beuntamed this fall

"The longer I delay myself getting to the real world, the better." - Mike Knuble

by Chaz-Capapalooza on May 30, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love that you decide to quote two goobers who think the winning record is what really counts.

Seriously, how far will this crap get you outside of Ohio?

"The more I get into politics the more I realize that I am a guitar player."

by ReadingRambler on May 30, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

That is some great Tony Soprano knowledge right there.

by PSUfanDuff on May 30, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

That did not end well

I'm your late night evening prostitute

by Frank O'Brien on May 30, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just because he got a bunch of positive responses from people doesn’t mean he was a [I]good[/I] leader. It just means he convinced a lot of kids that what he was telling them was right.

by Bleed Blue 'n White on May 30, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

dear Ohio State,

"Life is no way to treat an animal"

by Mr. Rosewater on May 30, 2011 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Question that hasn't been asked

Where will Tressel end up? I don’t see the guy retiring. I figure he takes a year or two off until the stink dies down, but some program somewhere is going to come knocking eventually.

Luring recruits with my new "Posting HD" scheme since '08.

by 06Lion on May 30, 2011 10:51 AM EDT reply actions  

ESPN...

is where he lands. So when does OSU announce the Urban Meyer hiring? Next week?

I am epic win.

by Esteban d' Amur on May 30, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Urban did have a clause in his contracts at Bowling Green, Utah, AND Florida

that said if OSU, Michigan, or Notre Dame came calling that he was allowed to leave and not owe those schools anything. It’s not out of the question.

is there anyway i can redeem myself, i was not sure if i should say "we" at that moment
by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

by ckmneon on May 30, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure why he would include Michigan in that, unless he wanted in to destroy the program.

"When I put on my uniform, I feel I am the proudest man on earth."
-Roberto

by blackjackfishtaco on May 30, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would imagine

He could serve as the HC for a FCS team that only expects him to be there one or two years, before he moves back to the BCS stage, or just take a year off. I don’t know if there are any of those jobs open, but one of those schools would be willing to take a shot. I can’t see him being desirable as an analyst right now and with how he probably sees the media right now I doubt he would want to go down that path.

by PSUfanDuff on May 30, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

No one's going to hire him if he gets show caused by the NCAA.

And no one is going to take the chance until they find out his fate. Media’s his only option at this point, but he certainly doesn’t need the money. I’d take some time and try to avoid the spotlight for a bit.

Take a shower, shine your shoes...

by Adam Collyer on May 30, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Very true

Once that happens he is done.

by PSUfanDuff on May 30, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Can't wait for the SI piece...

In the words of TO, “getcha popcorn ready!!”

"We heard all that talk all week about the SEC and their speed, but we knew personally that they weren't nearly as tough as us."

-Tony Hunt

by Cpiritual27 on May 30, 2011 10:56 AM EDT reply actions  

Nice.

Is it definitely coming out today?

Go Lions !! if

by Illegal Formation on May 30, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dohrmann's twitter indicated that si.com is planning to publish it

later today. I think it was originally slated for tomorrow, but today suddenly seems more timely.

by OctaShields on May 30, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

And I'll make that green...

That Morgan Freeman line is hilarious…

by GMac14 on May 30, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only bummer about this ...

… is that the broader investigation into The OSU athletics department will likely fade out now that they got the big guy out. I was actually enjoying the news of the spreading investigation — from a few players, to a football squad, to the whole University — was really, quite enjoyable … ah, oh well …

by markawiser on May 30, 2011 11:10 AM EDT reply actions  

Not quite

This story coming out will bring a lot of new facts, apparently. And then there’s the hearing in front of the Committee on Infractions, which will probably bring out some new things, or at least affirmatively detail all the facts that have been established.

If the Dohrmann piece is going to really destroy Tressel, you can look to the Minnesota saga with Clem Haskins for how the University might be punished. Even though Tressel is already gone, I think there’s a lot of damning stuff out there and the buck doesn’t necessarily stop with him. But in any event, don’t be bummed out, it’s far from over.

by OctaShields on May 30, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not, but I know someone who is

which means basically nothing, other than that she is a very nice person. She also wrote the USC report, so she (and most other people on the committee) aren’t afraid to bring the hammer down when there is a distinct need for hammers to be brought down.

by OctaShields on May 30, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

I gotta get that job....

Seriously, best job ever.

I actually would love to be one of the NCAA investigators, but the job is headquartered in Indianapolis.

Take a shower, shine your shoes...

by Adam Collyer on May 30, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

She's a professor at Temple Law full-time

CoI members don’t get any salary at all, just per diem for when they have to fly to a hearing

by OctaShields on May 30, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

"was really, quite enjoyable"

barbaric attitude you have there, mister.

Doug: "Why don't you tell him that your total salary last year was tweleve dollars?!?"

Arthur: "That was after taxes!!!"

by JakeBuckeye on May 30, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can guaruntee they contain the upmost respect

for a Big Ten legend. The comments will be filled with poop jokes, though. I’m sure.

Doug: "Why don't you tell him that your total salary last year was tweleve dollars?!?"

Arthur: "That was after taxes!!!"

by JakeBuckeye on May 30, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

So who wants to do the OSU-Jim Tressell video montage

set to “Bad Day”? Or should we wait to see if they get hit with sanctions?

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by skarocksoi on May 30, 2011 11:15 AM EDT reply actions  

Yes - Bad Day / REM

“…$hit so thick you can stir it with a stick…”

" When you cross that Blue Line, you are mine...Across the Blue Line, it's all football. " " And what you need to do in your life is paint Blue Lines everywhere. " - Joe Paterno 2009

by BlueWhiteLife on May 30, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Quick, off topic discussion.

I purchased a new computer. I use google chrome. How do I get the “z” mark function to work so that I can zip through the new comments? Is there an option I need to enable with chrome. I had chrome on my old computer and this wasn’t a problem.

I am epic win.

by Esteban d' Amur on May 30, 2011 11:18 AM EDT reply actions  

I dunno. It worked for me for Chrome when I went from a PC to a Mac. Maybe you need to go into your SBN user settings?

I think the innuendo out there is that I'm just picking and choosing which guys to run off, and people bring it up that I've medical-ed more people. Well, yeah, I medical them...I don't make those decisions, either. The doctors make them, and we have great doctors." -Nick Saban

by Semicorrect on May 30, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think the first thing you have to do with Chrome is download Firefox...

"I don’t know who to believe – A used car salesman or the OSU Chief of Compliance."
-rahpsu92

by leeharvey418 on May 30, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Chrome is wayyy better

Cory Geiger asks Paterno if talk about his future bothers him. "You bother me," Joe tells Geiger.

by Kyle_Martin on May 30, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did it work? I've never had trouble with the Z button for Chrome

Also, if you are looking for a big waste of time, Angry Birds is available for free through the web store.

John has a long moustache

Fugimaster24 is the better Adam.

by AdamShell on May 30, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just another reason why the sky is blue and white

I AM PHIL DAVISON AND I WILL NOT APOLOGIZE FOR MY TONE TONIGHT

by ICEICETHATGUY13 on May 30, 2011 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Shame on tO$U for....

its continuing of the lying, cheating and especially the arrogance. Regardless of how I or you feel about it (I continue to hate them), they are a “Brand Name” in CFB and the B1G and they showed everyone else thir disregard for rules and regs…..SHAME! If the NC2A has any guts, it will not stop at this point….they are dirty through and through and need to be punishment because they are a respected program, now a thinly veiled sham. This may be a U$C example, deservedly so, if they probe other sports programs. I have stated before that I personally take no pleasure from this, however, the jackwads from Jeannette have been silent for awhile and in that I take solace. Honesty is the best policy afterall. And if this means flushing their outhouse of a program with all of the higher-ups (AD, Pres, water-boy) then so be it. They have a mess to clean up. I am overjoyed that WE ARE not downstream or up-wind.

"The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me God." The Government is like the Mob, you can check out, but never leave.

by DerryPharmer on May 30, 2011 11:41 AM EDT reply actions  

Hahahahahahahaha+1

"The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me God." The Government is like the Mob, you can check out, but never leave.

by DerryPharmer on May 30, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

rec'd

"Stats from the spring," he said when handed the numbers. "I can take those down to the spare bathroom in the house. We can put them to use down there."
- Paul Rhoads

by tseyb_06 on May 30, 2011 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rodriguez, Bin Laden, Tressel...

who’s the next evildoer to fall?

"Life is no way to treat an animal"

by Mr. Rosewater on May 30, 2011 11:53 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

WRONG

is there anyway i can redeem myself, i was not sure if i should say "we" at that moment
by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

by ckmneon on May 30, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

This will be very beneficial for us

I AM PHIL DAVISON AND I WILL NOT APOLOGIZE FOR MY TONE TONIGHT

by ICEICETHATGUY13 on May 30, 2011 12:18 PM EDT reply actions  

+1

Take a shower, shine your shoes...

by Adam Collyer on May 30, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting

ESPN_BigTen ESPN BigTen
hmmmm RT @matt_hayessn: Forget about Urban at #Ohio State. Doesn’t want to walk into NCAA violations — and is waiting out Penn State job.

"It's not just linebackers. This is Penn State linebackers, man. We're a certain type. We've gotta be aggressive, relentless, focused. Don't talk. Don't talk at all. We don't showboat or anything. We just play hard and get the job done." -Khairi Fortt

by HighFlyers on May 30, 2011 12:28 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm in favor.

Take a shower, shine your shoes...

by Adam Collyer on May 30, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yech.

Luring recruits with my new "Posting HD" scheme since '08.

by 06Lion on May 30, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

No spread offense pussies.

"The more I get into politics the more I realize that I am a guitar player."

by ReadingRambler on May 30, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

And suck it, Orson.

"The more I get into politics the more I realize that I am a guitar player."

by ReadingRambler on May 30, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

That offense is hardly a spread pussy offense

I have seen it up close and it is a great physical system.

When in doubt, punt!
- John Heisman

by carolinaeasy on May 30, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lovely.

"Sixty feet of bridge I can get almost anywhere. Schmuck!"

by MainLion on May 30, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know; I was being facetious and purposefully over-the-top.

But, in pure aesthetic football terms, it bores me. I’m just not a spread guy. Wins be damned.

"Colonel, I do not care to die, but I pray to God I may never leave this field."

by ReadingRambler on May 30, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's good! No, that's bad! Wait a minute . . .

I’m so confused.

Ah, never mind. It’s Matt Hayes. He actually gave the Neuheisal rumors credence at one point.

by CvilleLion on May 30, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

He can wait

And when he’s passed over, he’ll wonder why he waited for a job he knew he wasn’t going to get.

Gus, don't be a gooey chocolate chip cookie.

by IcersGuy on May 30, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

NO NO NO

Dan Mullen please

I AM PHIL DAVISON AND I WILL NOT APOLOGIZE FOR MY TONE TONIGHT

by ICEICETHATGUY13 on May 30, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Given the choice between Dan Mullen and Urban Meyer

I’m going Urban Meyer every time.

Cory Geiger asks Paterno if talk about his future bothers him. "You bother me," Joe tells Geiger.

by Kyle_Martin on May 30, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dan's younger, and doesn't have a record of a bunch of kids running around drunk and high off their ass all the time

The only thing he’s got going against him is he’s supposed to be arrogant.

I AM PHIL DAVISON AND I WILL NOT APOLOGIZE FOR MY TONE TONIGHT

by ICEICETHATGUY13 on May 30, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Meyer is a proven winner

And we already have kids running around drunk and high off their ass with Joe as coach.

Cory Geiger asks Paterno if talk about his future bothers him. "You bother me," Joe tells Geiger.

by Kyle_Martin on May 30, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mullen is too though

well, I guess define proven, but winning with the program that spends the least amount of $$$ on their team in the toughest division in football is rather impressive.

And yeah, we do, but I doubt it’s 75% +

I AM PHIL DAVISON AND I WILL NOT APOLOGIZE FOR MY TONE TONIGHT

by ICEICETHATGUY13 on May 30, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well Meyer did win at Utah

Before winning at Florida. Plus I don’t think that it would be 75%+ here… I don’t think the administration would be happy with Urban if that happened.

Cory Geiger asks Paterno if talk about his future bothers him. "You bother me," Joe tells Geiger.

by Kyle_Martin on May 30, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well that is Utah though

Which is traditionally a rather good school.

But yeah, Meyer would definitely be on a shorter leash here

I AM PHIL DAVISON AND I WILL NOT APOLOGIZE FOR MY TONE TONIGHT

by ICEICETHATGUY13 on May 30, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didn't he win at Boise before Utah, too?

Or am I thinking of someone else…. Dan Hawkins, maybe? Wouldn’t that be embarrassing if I confused the two of them.

by psuwxman on May 30, 2011 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bowling Green.

Take a shower, shine your shoes...

by Adam Collyer on May 30, 2011 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep, you confused them. Hawkins won at BSU, moved to Colorado…didn’t win there. They meant to go after Chris Petersen.

"When I put on my uniform, I feel I am the proudest man on earth."
-Roberto

by blackjackfishtaco on May 30, 2011 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

The PSU comment seems to be totally out of the blue

As for the rest of it… The Notre Dame job last year was way more appealing—no NCAA sanctions, long line of mediocre coaches in the recent past. If Urban Meyer didn’t take that job, why would he take the OSU job?

by newenglandnittanylion on May 30, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Honestly, with regards to Meyer, here's my thoughts.

Apparently he and Joe are good friends. I don’t necessarily think Paterno should be able to pick his successor here, but if Joe felt good about Meyer taking over, I think I could handle it. The guy has proven he can win. I think in a place like Penn State he’d be be pushed to crack down on the drug/alcohol use, but we’ve already got that so I don’t know if anyone can fix that. It’s a bunch of 18-22 year old college kids.

He doesn’t have a history of breaking NCAA rules. In fact, possibly the most surprising thing out of the Auburn/Newton deal to me, was the quote “And this time it won’t be for free.” That’s a pretty big testament to UF that the seedier things aren’t happening there like the rest of the SEC. I could deal with a known commodity in Urban Meyer, who doesn’t necessarily have anything to prove, and wouldn’t need to risk his career getting stupid now. He’d be here because he wanted to be here (remember he wanted to be a grad assistant for Paterno but didn’t land the spot) not because it was the easiest place he could go and win. If he wanted that, he would have stayed at Florida.

"This is being a Penn State fan. We’ll prove it, or we won’t. It’s not about proving it to them, it’s about proving to ourselves."

by mvrck on May 30, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well said

Cory Geiger asks Paterno if talk about his future bothers him. "You bother me," Joe tells Geiger.

by Kyle_Martin on May 30, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes.

And, let’s be real: it should go to a Yankee. I know we can’t hire Winfield Hancock (Yes, my new sig is awesome) but we can at least hire a Northerner.

"Colonel, I do not care to die, but I pray to God I may never leave this field."

by ReadingRambler on May 30, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Note: modern Ohioans have to work to earn the title Northerner.

They can’t coach in over-sunned joints.

"Colonel, I do not care to die, but I pray to God I may never leave this field."

by ReadingRambler on May 30, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know, I never could stand that twerp Gordon Gee and his flaky little bow ties.

I remember in 1994 him saying that we don’t need a playoff, that debates about who are number 1 are good for college football. I wonder what that little weasel would have said if O$U would have been left out?

One last thing: Who out there is sorry now that we didn’t get Pryor. Pryor going to O$U landed them in the outhouse.

by Ab4PSU on May 30, 2011 12:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Never trust..

someone who wears a bow tie.

I am epic win.

by Esteban d' Amur on May 30, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Except for Bill Nye

I’ll always trust that dude.

Gus, don't be a gooey chocolate chip cookie.

by IcersGuy on May 30, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

The Doctor wears a bow tie.

Bow ties are cool.

"This is being a Penn State fan. We’ll prove it, or we won’t. It’s not about proving it to them, it’s about proving to ourselves."

by mvrck on May 30, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Let's not paint with such a broad brush.

"Sixty feet of bridge I can get almost anywhere. Schmuck!"

by MainLion on May 30, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Generally...

I don’t like generalities, but I’ll stick with the bow tie one.

I am epic win.

by Esteban d' Amur on May 30, 2011 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

And you don't think,

your school president feels the same about a playoff? You’re crazy. Most presidents are in favor of our current system.

Doug: "Why don't you tell him that your total salary last year was tweleve dollars?!?"

Arthur: "That was after taxes!!!"

by JakeBuckeye on May 30, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have no idea what Spanier thinks, all I care about is someone with the knowledge to back it up

namely Joe Paterno, who is in favor of a playoff, therefore, I am also in favor of a playoff.

by dawsonPSU10 on May 30, 2011 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Getting Pryor appears to be Tressel's downfall

Tressel was willing to get down on his knees to please these 18 year olds. He shouldn’t be surprised that they rolled him over and had their way with him.

I'm your late night evening prostitute

by Frank O'Brien on May 30, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gee is one of the most respected academians in the world,

whether you like it or not. Now, maybe he did something wrong here and will have to answer for it. But, really, he’s earned the benefit of the doubt.

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by PSUinBOSSton on May 30, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great stuff at ElevenWarriors:
Coming to Columbus as the little known coach from FCS Youngstown State, nobody has possibly ever had a bigger impact on a school and a community than Tressel had during his tenure running the OSU football program.

http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2011/05/a-memorial-day-to-forget

Ok, guys.

by elefantstn on May 30, 2011 12:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Just went there

first two comments, by the same person, indeed made me laugh out loud.

"It's not just linebackers. This is Penn State linebackers, man. We're a certain type. We've gotta be aggressive, relentless, focused. Don't talk. Don't talk at all. We don't showboat or anything. We just play hard and get the job done." -Khairi Fortt

by HighFlyers on May 30, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah, f- you ray small, you little piece of sh-

I AM PHIL DAVISON AND I WILL NOT APOLOGIZE FOR MY TONE TONIGHT

by ICEICETHATGUY13 on May 30, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s a pretty striking coincidence that the fates of the two greatest coaches in Ohio State history were sealed, in part, but not nearly entirely, by the actions of the two most highly recruited quarterbacks to ever play for the Buckeyes.

Apparently Woody punching an opposing player in the throat is the is the fault of his highly recruited QB

by PSUfanDuff on May 30, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Being that he threw the interception and all

by PSUfanDuff on May 30, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Being that he probably bet on the other team.

There’s more to that story than has ever been reported. Woody was almost definitely enraged by what he perceived might be Schlichter throwing a game.

by OctaShields on May 30, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

tOSU fans claim it isn't Woody's fault he was off his medicine that day

I shit you not I work with a die hard long time fan who has a photographic memory and he swears that is the case.

When in doubt, punt!
- John Heisman

by carolinaeasy on May 30, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hot damn.

I picked the right day to come back.

"The more I get into politics the more I realize that I am a guitar player."

by ReadingRambler on May 30, 2011 1:03 PM EDT reply actions  

O-H

Editor at BT Powerhouse, a Big Ten Basketball blog.
Author at Acme Packing Company, a Green Bay Packers blog
Donna Noble has left the library. Donna Noble has been saved.

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on May 30, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

N-O!

Editor at BT Powerhouse, a Big Ten Basketball blog.
Author at Acme Packing Company, a Green Bay Packers blog
Donna Noble has left the library. Donna Noble has been saved.

by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on May 30, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

N-O

Cory Geiger asks Paterno if talk about his future bothers him. "You bother me," Joe tells Geiger.

by Kyle_Martin on May 30, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I-O

I think the innuendo out there is that I'm just picking and choosing which guys to run off, and people bring it up that I've medical-ed more people. Well, yeah, I medical them...I don't make those decisions, either. The doctors make them, and we have great doctors." -Nick Saban

by Semicorrect on May 30, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I CAN COUNT TO THREE, MOMMY, AND SPELL OHIO!

MODERN EDUCATION WINS IN ALL STATES. THE FUNDAMENTALS ARE TEACHED. AS AN EXAMPLE, WATCH ME SPELL GO BUCKEYES.

G-O-B-U-C-K-E-Y-E-S.

YAY FOR TEACER HOO GOT DAGRE AT DA OSU

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by ReadingRambler on May 30, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I finish the drill.

DON’T YOU DARE TAKE MY OBSESSIVE COMPULSIVE ACTIVITY AWAY FROM ME YOU WOULDN’T LIKE ME WHEN I’M ANGRY.

I think the innuendo out there is that I'm just picking and choosing which guys to run off, and people bring it up that I've medical-ed more people. Well, yeah, I medical them...I don't make those decisions, either. The doctors make them, and we have great doctors." -Nick Saban

by Semicorrect on May 30, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tressel is gone?

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on May 30, 2011 1:07 PM EDT reply actions  

I have danced around my apartment all day.

And I mean, I’m pulling a Tressel Thon

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by Ben Jones on May 30, 2011 1:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Are the rest of us invited?

Jeeze, don’t flaunt a party in front of us without an invitation…

haha

by dawsonPSU10 on May 30, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is always interesting to see how society reacts to these types things.

I didn’t enjoy celebrating Osama Bin Laden’s downfall, let alone Jim Tressel’s. Mob mentality truly overtakes us to the point of barbarically celebrating a (good in this case ) man’s downfall.

Cheers, Jimmy T! The good you’ve done will not be forgotten by me. But you just had to go in the end.

Doug: "Why don't you tell him that your total salary last year was tweleve dollars?!?"

Arthur: "That was after taxes!!!"

by JakeBuckeye on May 30, 2011 1:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Jim Tressel isn't dead

He just got fired for cheating. There’s a difference.

by elefantstn on May 30, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

NO, THERE ISN'T!

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by ReadingRambler on May 30, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

You'll notice

I used the word downfall.

Doug: "Why don't you tell him that your total salary last year was tweleve dollars?!?"

Arthur: "That was after taxes!!!"

by JakeBuckeye on May 30, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

You'll notice

I used the word downfall.

Doug: "Why don't you tell him that your total salary last year was tweleve dollars?!?"

Arthur: "That was after taxes!!!"

by JakeBuckeye on May 30, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

BECAUSE HE'S JUST LIKE HITLER

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by ReadingRambler on May 30, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

To keep this in perspective:

While celebrating the cheating Vest’s departure, it’s not as though his family is going to starve. That being said, I think it’s good that this happened, and here’s why: The infractions skewed the competitive landscape. Who was going to go to Penn State (or Iowa or NW or MSU, you get the idea) if players knew they could go to O$U and get free cars, tattoos, have wads of cash in their apartments, etc. while the other schools were trying to abide by the rules. That’s not how it’s supposed to be.

by Ab4PSU on May 30, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Last I checked

Lying to authorities doesn’t make you a good person. Tressel has no integrity left and it undermines what he’s done in the past. He deserved to be fired on the spot when it was first revealed that he lied to the NCAA, the fact that he lasted this long is a testament to the poor values that OSU’s AD and President hold.

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by Kyle_Martin on May 30, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Last I checked

Lying doesn’t make you a good person. I’ve done that a couple times. You haven’t? Sheesh I’m screwed.

NO DUH LYING DOESN’T MAKE YOU A GOOD PERSON! But if you do get caught in a lie you are a bad person? Like I said, I guess I’m screwed.

Doug: "Why don't you tell him that your total salary last year was tweleve dollars?!?"

Arthur: "That was after taxes!!!"

by JakeBuckeye on May 30, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

And because of that lie Jim Tressel had to go.

I endorsed Jim Tressel’s leaving months ago.

Doug: "Why don't you tell him that your total salary last year was tweleve dollars?!?"

Arthur: "That was after taxes!!!"

by JakeBuckeye on May 30, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

This was not a little white lie

It was a pretty large cover up. It’snot like he told his wife her butt did not look big in those jeans.

by letsgopsu on May 30, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

So?

I’ve made major mistakes in my life. YOU HAVE TOO! I don’t even have to know you to know that. Stop being such a damn hypocrite. I understand if you don’t want to declare him a good man, but you have no right to call him a bad one. He’s done a tremendous amount.

Doug: "Why don't you tell him that your total salary last year was tweleve dollars?!?"

Arthur: "That was after taxes!!!"

by JakeBuckeye on May 30, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

And he's reaping the consequences of making a major mistake

part of which is people questioning his character because right now, it looks like he has none.

Cory Geiger asks Paterno if talk about his future bothers him. "You bother me," Joe tells Geiger.

by Kyle_Martin on May 30, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just said two seconds ago,

that he had to go because of this.

And I feel sorry if your opinions of people are formed based on what the national media provides you. Wouldn’t you prefer to have no opinion at all?

Doug: "Why don't you tell him that your total salary last year was tweleve dollars?!?"

Arthur: "That was after taxes!!!"

by JakeBuckeye on May 30, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

In this case

My opinion is the right one. He’s a liar with no integrity.

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by Kyle_Martin on May 30, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

A rec for the historical reference.

Of course, McCarthy was from Big Ten country.

by CvilleLion on May 30, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was a senator from Wisconsin

Grew up in the little town of Doucheabag

by dawsonPSU10 on May 30, 2011 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Permission to erase that sonofabitch from history?

PLEASE!?

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on May 30, 2011 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I say he stays

Just so that we will always have an example of how exploiting fear as well as power corrupts absolutely.

by dawsonPSU10 on May 30, 2011 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I am not the coach of a major D1 football program operating under a set of well known rules

I won’t call him a bad man, but he is not a good one either. He sullied himself. He has to live with it. And so do all of you.

by letsgopsu on May 30, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

come on guy

I think youre being a little ridiculous.

You and I lying about trivial things is one thing. Tressel lying repeatedly to authorities he has to answer to is another. Have I lied about little things to family, friends, or my girlfriend. Sure. Did I ever knowingly lie to a person in authority knowing there were severe consequences, and not just lie but attest to that lie by signature? No. There are degrees of everything and you know it. Telling my mom I got home at midnight when I was in high school instead of the truth so I didnt get grounded is 100% different than lying to the cops or purjuring oneself on the stand, or obstructing justice, which is pretty much the equivalent of what Tressel did here. He impeded an investigation by lying.

Is Tressel a good person, no, probably not. He didnt just lie, he knowingly misrepresented himself and his university to the NCAA repeatedly in favor of winning games and his reputation. He put himself before everyone else. I dont know how you can do that without fear of teh consequences to anyone else and be deemed by any moral standard to be a “good person.” In fact, name the last person who was forced to resign his post during an investigation into his methods that is still considered a “good person.” Good people dont run into these types of issues, and anyone who wants to call Jim Tressel a bad person has every right in the world to say it, the same as you have every right to go forward thinking hes a good guy made bad decisions for the sake of winning a few games and got caught.

by swiggy04 on May 30, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dude, stop it.

He doesn’t care. Jim Tressel won football games and beat Michigan. This is the highest form of honor one can say of an Ohio State football coach.

Watching these people try to work their morals around because, hey, the guy did beat Michigan is, suffice it to say, highly amusing.

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by ReadingRambler on May 30, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't waste my time, swiggy.

We’ve been saying this for a long time.

All I know is that if I ever commit a crime, I hope it’s in Ohio—because it’s about the only place where I could take the stand, say, “well, who hasn’t?!”, and be acquitted.

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by MainLion on May 30, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Everybody Does

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by Kyle_Martin on May 30, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Hey Jake

So uh… yea it’s more than just lying. Guess you were wrong on this. Too bad.

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by Kyle_Martin on May 30, 2011 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

No politics here, but, hey, rec anyway.

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by ReadingRambler on May 30, 2011 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

My apologies,

By no means was this intended to be a political statement other than tO$U sucks.

by PSUfanDuff on May 30, 2011 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is the entire State of Ohio on suicide watch?

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by MainLion on May 30, 2011 1:30 PM EDT reply actions  

If not

then let’s push them over the edge by reminding them LeBron James is in the NBA Finals. And that they all live in Ohio. That outta do it.

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by 06Lion on May 30, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

*oughta

Man, struggling today.

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by 06Lion on May 30, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

RE: It's all Pryor's fault

It truly is a glorious development.

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by 06Lion on May 30, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Turns out that was the best recruiting miss we've ever had

Cory Geiger asks Paterno if talk about his future bothers him. "You bother me," Joe tells Geiger.

by Kyle_Martin on May 30, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can't believe I'm the first to rec this

I will reserve my final judgment on Tressel until more facts come out (you can publish that Dohrmann article any time now, SI), but right now I can’t help but feel a little pity for a seemingly good guy and worthy adversary who’s losing a job he loves for mistakes I’d like to think he genuinely regrets.

On the other hand, I have no pity for Pryor and the rest of the players who knowingly and willfully broke clear rules and created this whole mess for OSU. Sure, “everybody does it,” but these particular players obviously took their conduct to a new level. And yes, we here at Penn State are very lucky that Pryor didn’t come here.

by newenglandnittanylion on May 30, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Meh

Back to the basketball search!

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by Adam Bittner on May 30, 2011 2:52 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Exactly

Has Curley hired Tressel to coach Basketball yet? I was out running a 10k this morning and missed a lot.

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by LB31Monster on May 30, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

You have to be dying because PSU isn’t totally engrossed in the drama of the basketball coach hire.

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by ReadingRambler on May 30, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tell last week's traffic numbers that.

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by Adam Bittner on May 30, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, come on.

Traffic was higher as a result of DeChellis leaving and the interesting surrounding that. A coaching search? Not so much.

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by ReadingRambler on May 30, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well this JUST happened, DeChellis has been gone for almost a week now

and also, we knew this day was inevitably coming, it’s just big news because it happened today and not earlier.

by dawsonPSU10 on May 30, 2011 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Rambler was trying to make fun of basketball.

He’s still on that wrestling kick.

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by Adam Bittner on May 30, 2011 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is no point in mocking basketball.

Wrestling is a sport, basketball is a childish game. Mocking basketball is like mocking my great-great grandfather or perhaps Charlie Sheen. See, there’s no point in mocking a dead thing or person or a lame person.

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by ReadingRambler on May 30, 2011 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes. Yes. A thousand times yes.

"Colonel, I do not care to die, but I pray to God I may never leave this field."

by ReadingRambler on May 30, 2011 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

One no

and one is enough

is there anyway i can redeem myself, i was not sure if i should say "we" at that moment
by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

by ckmneon on May 30, 2011 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are drunk on stupid if you think basketball is better than wrestling.

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by ReadingRambler on May 30, 2011 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Define better

I mean, we’re comparing athletic activities. What defines better?

But “more fun to watch” and “superior athletes” and “greater earning potential for both the athletes and sponsors” applies to basketball when comparing the two. That much is true.

is there anyway i can redeem myself, i was not sure if i should say "we" at that moment
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by ckmneon on May 30, 2011 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Superior athletes is subjective.

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by PSUinBOSSton on May 30, 2011 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Both take tremendous athleticism

One just involves rolling around on a mat with another guy in a singlet

by PSUfanDuff on May 30, 2011 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

They stand for the majority of the matches, but whatever.

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by ReadingRambler on May 30, 2011 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

More fun to watch – Is there legitimate contact allowed? No. The personal foul is the worst thing in any sport ever, no question about it. A sport with a personal foul is like the Kentucky Derby with cows. It’s wrong.

Superior athletes – Right, sure. I bet you think basketball players have superior conditioning too. Let’s see LeBron last with Dan Gable’s system. A wrestler without conditioning, without talent, without guts, is a dead man during his match. Only the strong will survive. Just ask Cary Kolat.

Money – who cares? I mean, seriously, who gives a crap? Money is what attracts the scum around basketball anyway.

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by ReadingRambler on May 30, 2011 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

And you know what I mean by personal fouls.

Sorry for bad phrasing.

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by ReadingRambler on May 30, 2011 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Basketball is only equal to wrestling when Bob Knight is the coach of one of the teams. Because he is a man who called up at Coach Shashevski at two o’ clock in the morning to say “Mike, I’m glad your goddamned zone didn’t work” when Duke gave up four points on two possessions running zone against Kansas in a game Duke won.

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by ReadingRambler on May 30, 2011 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which raises an important question

Does Bob Knight do things a certain way because it’s the right way to do things, or are things the right way do to things because they’re what Bob Knight does?

I want him to be PSU’s next head basketball coach

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by ckmneon on May 30, 2011 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Both.

Which is why I love him.

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by ReadingRambler on May 30, 2011 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

“too country”= no free cars, no free tats, no selling pants= empty vest

by hawking5309 on May 30, 2011 3:59 PM EDT reply actions  

I enjoyed this immensely.

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by ReadingRambler on May 30, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I always enjoy a good MSPaint cartoon.

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by 06Lion on May 30, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dohrmann says

he thinks his article will go up between 730 and 8.

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by PSUinBOSSton on May 30, 2011 5:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Pull up a chair, grab some popcorn and a soda and stay a while, this isn't over yet

NCAA and Ohio State performing a “significant” investigation of Terrelle Pryor

Today is the day that I’d like to find all the people that thought we were headed to disaster that we didn’t get Pryor, and laugh in their faces.

The gem though:

For what it’s worth, Ohio State blog Eleven Warriors has heard from “a pretty reliable source” that Pryor may have played his last down for the Buckeyes. All this and that long-awaited Sports Illustrated story on Tressel hasn’t even hit the Internet yet.

by dawsonPSU10 on May 30, 2011 6:18 PM EDT reply actions  

And yet Newton gets off scott free.

As much as I want to grin, I can’t. The NCAA is an inept organization. What if Mr. Pryor was the one receiving the cars, and may or may not have let T.P. drive them now and then? Would that make it okay? Because I guarantee Cam received some benefit by way of daddy for the finder’s fee.

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by MainLion on May 30, 2011 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's not even close to over.

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by ReadingRambler on May 30, 2011 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

The issue is that Newton played, collected his trophies, and moved on.

The school can be punished, yes, but one of the main actors has pulled a D.B. Cooper.

"Sixty feet of bridge I can get almost anywhere. Schmuck!"

by MainLion on May 30, 2011 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Or a Pete Carrol

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by Kyle_Martin on May 30, 2011 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

This is why I wish the NCAA has the power of subpoena, or was a regulatory agency of the federal government, or both. Not because “everybody does it” but because it’s a whole lot easier to get **** done that way.

I think the innuendo out there is that I'm just picking and choosing which guys to run off, and people bring it up that I've medical-ed more people. Well, yeah, I medical them...I don't make those decisions, either. The doctors make them, and we have great doctors." -Nick Saban

by Semicorrect on May 30, 2011 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Absolutely.

Subpoena power would take lying and non-cooperation from a moral hazard to a legal one.

by CvilleLion on May 30, 2011 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

So Basically...

Pryor is going to probably try to enroll in the NFL supplemental draft or play in the CFL for a year or something instead of owning up to his crimes like a man..

by Domin8ing the Big Ten(11) on May 31, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well in his defense, and I can't believe I'm saying that

He is most likely done for the entire season now. He’s got OSU AND the NCAA doing a special inquiry and investigation FOR HIM ALONE. I’m not sure what “owning up to his crimes like a man” would be in this situation. Standing on the sidelines in street clothes while getting booed for the entire game and having things thrown at him from the stands? That would take either an immense amount of stupidity, or giant titanium balls. And this is all assuming that OSU doesn’t kick him off the team for going full retard and thinking he could get away with it.

by dawsonPSU10 on May 31, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

How about

Admitting to what he’s done instead of stonewalling like everyone else seems to be doing in this situation, and accepting the punishment for what he did rather than pulling a Pete Carroll and jumping ship? Is it really that outrageous of an expectation for someone to accept responsibility for their transgressions and the punishment that goes along with it?

by Domin8ing the Big Ten(11) on May 31, 2011 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

We still don’t know what he’s going to do. Wait another day or so, when his status should be more resolved.

I think the innuendo out there is that I'm just picking and choosing which guys to run off, and people bring it up that I've medical-ed more people. Well, yeah, I medical them...I don't make those decisions, either. The doctors make them, and we have great doctors." -Nick Saban

by Semicorrect on May 31, 2011 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ohio State fans in general...

If anyone needed any more evidence of just how douchey, toolish, and generally reprehensible OSU fans are, consider this purely anecdotal evidence:

I live in Charleston, SC and, for some reason, the Vest’s resignation made tonight’s local NBC evening news. The sports guy must have been on vacation because the anchorwoman was reading the sports news. Well, she pronounced the Vest’s name as tra-SELL several times. Later in the broadcast she jokingly mentioned to the yuckity weatherman that, “If I get one more email from an Ohio State fan correcting my pronunciation of Tressel’s name…”

My point? At least one, probably dozens of snooty, spoiled, blowhard OSU fans actually took the time to email a local anchorwoman, in South Carolina!!!!!, because she pronounced his effing name wrong.

There is why the local’s love the “Go Back To Ohio” website.

Marge: "Oh Homer. You're only hearing what you want to hear."
Homer: "Thanks! I'd love an omelette right about now."

by LowcountryLion on May 30, 2011 6:48 PM EDT reply actions  

I love Charleston, it is so beautiful

Have some shrimp and grits for me. It is one of my favorites.

by letsgopsu on May 30, 2011 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you are talking about charleston foods,

and not she-crab soup, I aint listening.

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by PSUinBOSSton on May 30, 2011 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love that too (with sherry on top!)

But shrimp and grits is the first thing I thought of. I have also had decent she-crab soup in other places, including the NE. Shrimp and grits is either not on the radar, or not very good, outside of South Carolina.

by letsgopsu on May 30, 2011 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hm,

never had the nerve to try it anywhere else. Having an average version of something great is somehow more disappointing than having terrible food somewhere new. I just try to avoid it.

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by PSUinBOSSton on May 30, 2011 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I need to get my Go Back to Maryland website up and running.

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by ReadingRambler on May 30, 2011 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I blame 81/83.

And to a lesser extent, 476.

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by MainLion on May 30, 2011 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree

But it depends on the species of crab.

Fire Dan Snyder

by Cari Greene on Jun 1, 2011 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Love Si's (what I assume is) reaction to the news.

“We do things the right way.”

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by PSUinBOSSton on May 30, 2011 7:21 PM EDT reply actions  

damn it

now I want shrimp and grits

by letsgopsu on May 30, 2011 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

How long is the trip to Charleston?

Meet you there?

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by PSUinBOSSton on May 30, 2011 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

A flight is still a trip,

right? Let’s call it lunch tomorrow.

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by PSUinBOSSton on May 30, 2011 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ohhhh grits

Will never get how people like grits

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by ICEICETHATGUY13 on May 30, 2011 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

try them with shrimp, bacon and cheese

they just are the glue that holds everything together

by letsgopsu on May 30, 2011 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh

well that sounds legit tasty.

Also legit legit heart attack though

I AM PHIL DAVISON AND I WILL NOT APOLOGIZE FOR MY TONE TONIGHT

by ICEICETHATGUY13 on May 30, 2011 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes.

"Colonel, I do not care to die, but I pray to God I may never leave this field."

by ReadingRambler on May 30, 2011 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I found some good recipes. Really easy to make.

You can also make shrimp and gravy and pour over grits.

I miss the south.

by letsgopsu on May 30, 2011 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

too legit to grit?

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by PSUinBOSSton on May 30, 2011 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

there's a new restaurant open in Greencastle

that just put shrimp and grits on their menu (along with lobster mac and cheese) and it was SO GOOD.

Fire Dan Snyder

by Cari Greene on Jun 1, 2011 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think someone just told me about that,

what is the name? Is it where the old Antrim House used to be?

On a side note, did you ever eat at the little cajun place in Greencastle back in the early nineties/late eighties. Place was fabulous. I was very sad to see it go away.

My grammer skills need improved.

by BMAN13 on Jun 2, 2011 8:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

yes, that's it exactly!

I forget the new name, but the same people own another restaurant, I think maybe in Mechanicsburg? My father and his wife are regulars, they are there like 3 nights a week. The ambiance is pretty nice (better than Antrim House), and they have a rotation of local brews on tap. The chef changes the menu pretty often so I’m not sure how long the shrimp & grits will be on the menu.

I don’t know of any Cajun place, I just go up there to visit the family, and they’ve only lived there since my dad retired in 2003.

Fire Dan Snyder

by Cari Greene on Jun 2, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Grits are incredible if done right.

I’ve had grits with pork chops and a little bit of bacon. It was magnificent.

"Colonel, I do not care to die, but I pray to God I may never leave this field."

by ReadingRambler on May 30, 2011 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Adam,

as always, a well written post . . .but I have one minor critique – - the graduation picture (so I assume). Where’d it go?

by cwarner28 on May 30, 2011 7:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Had to switch it up. Got bored.

Actually not a grad picture though. Just a random shot that was cropped.

Take a shower, shine your shoes...

by Adam Collyer on May 30, 2011 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now you just need a cool Civil War sig.

"Colonel, I do not care to die, but I pray to God I may never leave this field."

by ReadingRambler on May 30, 2011 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Two fitting quotes from one of my favorites, John Buford.

“I am disgusted and worn out with the system that seems to prevail.”

“I can do nothing with the enemy save observe him.”

"Colonel, I do not care to die, but I pray to God I may never leave this field."

by ReadingRambler on May 30, 2011 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I tend to prefer the former,

although the latter rings relevant to this post.

by cwarner28 on May 30, 2011 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Won't load for me

I’m guessing they’re swamped right now.

"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.

by Rogue Nine on May 30, 2011 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just go to and it will load from there

by PSUfanDuff on May 30, 2011 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

How about that,

they’re doing a story on Boston.

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by PSUinBOSSton on May 30, 2011 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

"The Heart of Boston"

"Sixty feet of bridge I can get almost anywhere. Schmuck!"

by MainLion on May 30, 2011 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Me and jtot have kept up a running email commentary of sorts lately.

One of our themes has been trying to understand why, exactly, 11W’s posters are supposed to be so awesome. Is the above quote from a front page poster?

"Colonel, I do not care to die, but I pray to God I may never leave this field."

by ReadingRambler on May 30, 2011 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hahahahahaha

these people are great. If I were writing a parody of ridiculous Ohio State-centric comments, I wouldn’t even go as far as some of these.

by OctaShields on May 30, 2011 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

On the community, I'll agree

Columbus, OH doesn’t even include OSU’s crime stats in the city’s numbers anymore because that would make its crime rate worse than Detroit. No, I’m not kidding.

is there anyway i can redeem myself, i was not sure if i should say "we" at that moment
by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

by ckmneon on May 30, 2011 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

is the OSU campus technically a different "city"

like University Park vs. State College?

Fire Dan Snyder

by Cari Greene on Jun 1, 2011 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

TWSS

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on May 30, 2011 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Am I the only one...

That got a massively sophomoric chuckle out of the “How Deep It Went” part of the cover??? My only question is: was it the NCAA or TP that went deep, Mr. Tressel?

by Domin8ing the Big Ten(11) on May 31, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

If it was about Pryor,

it’d have been “How high and sort of deep it floundered.”

"Sixty feet of bridge I can get almost anywhere. Schmuck!"

by MainLion on May 31, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is the SI article out yet?

is there anyway i can redeem myself, i was not sure if i should say "we" at that moment
by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

by ckmneon on May 30, 2011 7:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Does anyone have the link to it yet

I keep hitting the refresh button on SI.com but the same page keeps coming up

by PSUfanDuff on May 30, 2011 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's not up I don't think.

/Tressel’s was supposed to indicate that I lied when I said “yes”.

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by PSUinBOSSton on May 30, 2011 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pryor isn't really helping himself out here

AdamJardyBSB Adam Jardy
#OhioState QB Terrelle Pryor arrived in Nissan 350z with temporary tags and tinted windows

"It's not just linebackers. This is Penn State linebackers, man. We're a certain type. We've gotta be aggressive, relentless, focused. Don't talk. Don't talk at all. We don't showboat or anything. We just play hard and get the job done." -Khairi Fortt

by HighFlyers on May 30, 2011 7:52 PM EDT reply actions  

LOL.

Like RichRod, I’ll miss him when he’s gone.

"Sixty feet of bridge I can get almost anywhere. Schmuck!"

by MainLion on May 30, 2011 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just went there too.

Did you see that Tressel resigned?

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by PSUinBOSSton on May 30, 2011 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah,

it was a bad joke.

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by PSUinBOSSton on May 30, 2011 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

The best part? Ohio State basketball is supposed to be next

I AM PHIL DAVISON AND I WILL NOT APOLOGIZE FOR MY TONE TONIGHT

by ICEICETHATGUY13 on May 30, 2011 8:00 PM EDT reply actions  

I hope not

While I’m still mad at every coach that leaves Xavier, I don’t hate them enough to wish them associated with NCAA violations

I am a Penn State Nittany Lion, and I played for the legendary Joe Paterno, and more importantly, I am a man because of it. - Lavar Arrington

by LegalLion on May 30, 2011 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

If he's a cheater, then it is our obligation as PSU fans to wish his downfall.

"Colonel, I do not care to die, but I pray to God I may never leave this field."

by ReadingRambler on May 30, 2011 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know

And I’ll oblige, I just won’t feel as happy doing it as I have with all of this so far

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by LegalLion on May 30, 2011 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I haven’t heard anything about this. Seriously?

I think the innuendo out there is that I'm just picking and choosing which guys to run off, and people bring it up that I've medical-ed more people. Well, yeah, I medical them...I don't make those decisions, either. The doctors make them, and we have great doctors." -Nick Saban

by Semicorrect on May 30, 2011 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, be sure to stop by the family clothesline tomorrow

http://www.pennstateclothes.com/istar.asp?a=65&image=/istarimages/mp/TSHIRT-LEGENDS!000-13420.jpg

I know what I’m buying

I AM PHIL DAVISON AND I WILL NOT APOLOGIZE FOR MY TONE TONIGHT

by ICEICETHATGUY13 on May 30, 2011 8:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Does anyone want to start a specific live thread for this?

I want to contain all comments in one awesome thread for posterity

by OctaShields on May 30, 2011 8:21 PM EDT reply actions  

I like where your head's at

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by LegalLion on May 30, 2011 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm currently guessing at the URL

Rolling through their May 30th magazine stories one by one right now, incrementing the number in the URL.

by gumbercules on May 30, 2011 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok... still hating on tOSU

but this guy has an engaging read from someone inside the program….

.

Not everyone does it….

JoePa – coaching PSU 140 Characters at a time

by jaytay13 on May 30, 2011 8:27 PM EDT reply actions  

wow...

completely blew the link….
here

Yay I love figuring out new stuff that everyone else already knew…..

JoePa – coaching PSU 140 Characters at a time

by jaytay13 on May 30, 2011 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

So really what we've learned today is this:

If you follow the ideals of the “Grand Experiment” then you can coach for 40+ years and be the greatest college football coach ever.

But if you feel like cheating then you can have a bunch of hollow victories and kill your program.

Why don’t coaches realize the Grand Experiment is quite a good idea?

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by ICEICETHATGUY13 on May 30, 2011 8:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Because the architect makes peanuts as payment

I think it might even be circus peanuts these days

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by LegalLion on May 30, 2011 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dohrmann saying the article should be up very soon.
I’m told the SI.com folks have the story so should be up very, very soon. I don’t control these things, obviously. I want it over with too

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by Rogue Nine on May 30, 2011 8:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Except now they're saying it can't run until the print

version closes.

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by PSUinBOSSton on May 30, 2011 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which is supposed to be tonight I gather.

Hopefully soon. I need a good laugh.

"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.

by Rogue Nine on May 30, 2011 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right.

Hopefully the sI.com guys have it ready to go for when the print version is done.

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by PSUinBOSSton on May 30, 2011 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

From Eleven Warriors...again...
May God bless JimTressel. I have to say, if ever I need anyone on my side, I would choose Jesus Christ and Jim Tressel. Two men that have made tremendous sacrifice for human-kind in our day. We may worship you in different mindsets, but your duty and service for others can never be forgotten. The media likes to kick both of you without any regard, but we will never forget your contributions. Thank you for your service and your commitment to us. We will never forget you.

Really? Jesus and Jim Tressel. Yes, one died for our sins, the other is a liar who withheld information from his university and “compliance department”, but I can understand how there are parallels that one might draw.

by PSUfanDuff on May 30, 2011 8:28 PM EDT reply actions  

I wish I could have been making that up. It is scary that someone is that far from reality, even a Buckeye

by PSUfanDuff on May 30, 2011 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Sixty feet of bridge I can get almost anywhere. Schmuck!"

by MainLion on May 30, 2011 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

This is exactly why he needed to resign

because he was NEVER going to be fired

is there anyway i can redeem myself, i was not sure if i should say "we" at that moment
by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

by ckmneon on May 30, 2011 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was fired.

They just made him resign because I’m sure it makes it easier to not pay him under his contract.

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by PSUinBOSSton on May 30, 2011 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

No

He just resigned at a meeting with Smith, because he that great of a man and he wanted to do it face to face.
/buckeye logic’d

by PSUfanDuff on May 30, 2011 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

They tell you you can resign to save face,

but really, they just don’t want you suing over the language in your contract.

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by PSUinBOSSton on May 30, 2011 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I worked for a horrible woman who was fired for lying on her resume (I am not supposed to know this)

she got to “resign” and because she was a VP she got a year’s salary. Biggest bitch on wheels you ever saw.

by letsgopsu on May 30, 2011 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow,

that’s just all around terrible. How do you give severance to someone who resigns?

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by PSUinBOSSton on May 30, 2011 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

You open your eyes, smell the corruption, and say, “Ahh, smells like home!”

"Colonel, I do not care to die, but I pray to God I may never leave this field."

by ReadingRambler on May 30, 2011 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am not supposed to know she got anything

including the whole juicy scandal that was the reason she did not graduate from college. Think basketball player/coach love affair of the female variety

by letsgopsu on May 30, 2011 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

was she the player?

If so, that’s kinda a crappy reason to not have graduated and get your life screwed over (of course, if she deserved getting screwed over, then so be it!)

by The JuggerNitt on May 31, 2011 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why was mine only the second rec?

This picture should be green’d.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on May 30, 2011 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

except he isn't face palming.

He’s giving thumbs up while driving around in a 350z

by The JuggerNitt on May 31, 2011 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not saying I want him to go down the route of Maurice Clarett

since I truly don’t wish that kind of downfall on anyone (well, maybe some really evil people), but I would like him to at least flirt with that possible outcome and then make the decision to change his ways.

by The JuggerNitt on Jun 2, 2011 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

but I feel that he’s lived a while in this world where he can get whatever he wants and do whatever he wants, because he’s Terrelle Pryor. and I’d like him to get a wake up call, and realize you can’t just skirt through life on some modicum of talent—you need to work at least a little bit for it. Ideally, he’ll realize this and change his ways—I’d like to see him develop some modesty, but I’m not sure if that could happen or what it would take for it to happen.

Fire Dan Snyder

by Cari Greene on Jun 2, 2011 7:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jesus loved to preface stuff with "I tell the truth"

I picture Tressel doing that and I start convulsing with laugther.

"Colonel, I do not care to die, but I pray to God I may never leave this field."

by ReadingRambler on May 30, 2011 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is a Jay Z song called "This Can't Be Life"

that is extremely fitting for my reaction to this statement.

Dark Knight feeling, die and be a hero-or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.-Jay-Z

by OMEGAMAN on May 30, 2011 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

This all would be a lot more enjoyable for me

Had we won last season. But as he saying goes, the McGloin giveth, and the McGloin taketh away. And so for me at least, this whole saga seems kind of meh. I’d rather we do something good than have to find joy in someone else doing something bad. That being said, at least we have something to find joy in. So cheers everyone.

by millzners on May 30, 2011 8:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Yo, Jim Tressel!

Tamba says hello.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on May 30, 2011 8:49 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

This is why we keep you around.

"Colonel, I do not care to die, but I pray to God I may never leave this field."

by ReadingRambler on May 30, 2011 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Troy Smith was well compensated for taking that hit

I wouldn’t put my life in jeopardy for as small of a price as Smith, but that’s why I’m a Penn Stater and he’s not. My life is worth more than his.

is there anyway i can redeem myself, i was not sure if i should say "we" at that moment
by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

by ckmneon on May 30, 2011 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tomorrow will be so awesome.

"Colonel, I do not care to die, but I pray to God I may never leave this field."

by ReadingRambler on May 30, 2011 8:53 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm glad it's hot when stuff like this breaks.

The more reason to stay indoors, the better.

"Colonel, I do not care to die, but I pray to God I may never leave this field."

by ReadingRambler on May 30, 2011 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Random question

but why were all the links for this story red?

by The JuggerNitt on May 31, 2011 4:10 AM EDT reply actions  

The editor was a bit quirky yesterday

But it fits so well with the story, doesn’t it?

Take a shower, shine your shoes...

by Adam Collyer on May 31, 2011 7:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you for asking this

I thought something was up with my browser

by dawsonPSU10 on May 31, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Has Casey Anthony

weighed in on the situation yet?

by PSU Mudder on May 31, 2011 9:32 AM EDT reply actions  

So, Ohio State players traded Big Ten championship rings for marijuana? Sigh… where does this crap end?

"Nature never intended for you to survive here. But this fall, nature isn't the only thing to fear." September 10, 2011. Alabama vs. Penn State. White House.

by Chris McKeown on May 31, 2011 3:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Does this mean Indiana players might try trading marijuana for championship rings?

I’ll be damned if we have to share 2005/08 with a third school.

"Sixty feet of bridge I can get almost anywhere. Schmuck!"

by MainLion on May 31, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

well, 2008 is still within the statute of limitations.

I doubt they’d make OSU vacate those wins unless they could prove that Tressel knew about this crap way back then, but if for some reason they did, then no more co-champions.

by The JuggerNitt on May 31, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

There aren't any co-champions now

Cory Geiger asks Paterno if talk about his future bothers him. "You bother me," Joe tells Geiger.

by Kyle_Martin on Jun 1, 2011 2:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

well, I meant for 2008 specifically

If they stripped the wins from that year (which they won’t) then they can’t claim a share of that championship.

by The JuggerNitt on Jun 1, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

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