Buckeyes Are Driven to Embarrassment
by Adam Collyer on May 9, 2011 1:00 PM EDT
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PrintTwo weeks ago, we covered the Notice of Allegations that the Buckeyes received from the NCAA, which curiously left out the charge of "lack of institutional control" and seemed to place blame squarely on rogue coach/all-around good guy Jim Tressel. Last week, we covered the NCAA’s equally curious decision to charge Boise State with lack of institutional control despite the school’s decision to self-sanction a football team that hadn’t committed a major violation.
Bob Hunter’s right - Ohio State fans must be frustrated. Understandably so. After all, no one likes to see his school undergo this kind of rigorous scrutiny by the media, opposing fans, and the NCAA. Unfortunately for them, it’s about to get worse.
On Friday, May 6th, the head of Ohio State’s massive compliance department announced that it would investigate at least 50 automobile purchases made by student-athletes and their families. The catch? The same salesman, Aaron Kniffin, made every sale, including one where paperwork shows that former Buckeye linebacker Thaddeus Gibson paid $0 for a 2-year old Chrysler 300.
In their defense, compliance director Doug Archie says there’s "nothing to believe a violation occurred," and Jeff Mauk, owner of Jack Maxton Chevrolet, wants everyone to know that he doesn’t give cars away for free. And indeed, Gibson claims he was unaware of any $0 price, claiming that he "paid for the car, and I’m still paying for it." Maybe there’s nothing here but speculation and innuendo.
Of course, there’s always this:
Kniffin told The Dispatch that he has sold cars to at least four dozen OSU athletes and their relatives, that the OSU compliance staff directed them to him, and that university officials reviewed all documents before sales were final."
Archie said that he has spoken to Kniffin only once, never reviews sales documents and has not directed players to any dealerships.
I’m no genius, but unless Archie is speaking for only himself, one of them is lying. I’m legitimately surprised they didn’t take the time to coordinate their statements. After all, the Buckeyes compliance department has already shown what a sham it really is. Over the past several years, Buckeye compliance has self-reported the most secondary violations in the nation (by a wide margin) without figuring out a way to curtail the misconduct of their athletes. It claims to have been caught completely off-guard by December’s tattoo scandal and the Tressel email cover-up.
Now, once again Archie’s office is playing dumb. It took contact from the Columbus Dispatch in order to get Archie’s attention on these car deals, despite the fact that he knew Kniffin had attended games as the guest of players and had to ban him several years ago from the player pass list. And Kniffin’s already been a figure in a car inquiry before – he’s the salesman who lent a car to Buckeye quarterback Terrelle Pryor for a three-day test drive.
Make no mistake about it, this is very bad news for Ohio State. It’s a scandal you can’t pin on Jim Tressel. This weekend, CBSSports.com ran a piece by Adam Jacobi that makes this point clearer than anything I could ever write:
That, in fact, is what makes this potential scandal so pernicious: it has little, if anything, to do with Jim Tressel and the previous scandal. Indeed, what was most striking about the allegations levied against Tressel was that they didn't implicate OSU as a whole, leaving open the possibility that OSU could paint Tressel as a rogue coach operating in flagrant defiance of his contract, fire him, and wash their hands of the matter. But here, the possibility exists that players were getting the green light from the compliance department to break compliance rules. That's something that simply firing Tressel isn't going to sweep under the rug.
The premise of Jacobi’s post is that this recent scandal "might place the very legitimacy of the compliance department at stake." Honestly, we’re well past that. They self-report minor violations in order to enhance their credibility, but never get to the root of the problem to prevent them from happening. Then they try retain plausible deniability by feigning confusion. Apparently, it’s been a recipe for success. After all, Jim Tressel beats Michigan.
This kind of nonsense isn’t just embarrassing for Ohio State. It’s embarrassing for the Big Ten, especially when other conferences report on it at length. Joe Paterno can barely survive a 7-6 season without calls for his head, even though he won 61 games over the six prior years. What would the reaction in State College be to these kinds of issues?
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These guys are toast.
Our rival is Stanford.
by jesse. on May 9, 2011 1:14 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
If nothing more, the
state of Ohio could view that as tax evasion.
Unsupervised children will be given a case of 4loco and a basket of kittens
by rahpsu92 on May 9, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Right.
The three credible explanations I see for that are:
*There was some type of clerical error
*The dealer marked the title at $0 as some kind of tax evasion
*The dealer sold the car for $0.
I think most people have made up their minds about which it was.
Ann Arbor behaves slatternly.
"Yeah but Auburn BLAH Cam/Cecil Newton BLAH BLAH"...
is all you seem to hear from O$U fans (and my God, if there was ever a time when using that $ in place of ‘S’ felt good……its now baby).
I don’t know, I don’t have anything extremely insightful to add, which hasn’t already been said, but it will be interesting if/when the Buckeye nation realizes they’re just digging themselves deeper with these clowns running the program. Its a real shame because it seems that their run of B10 championships is going to have this asterisk over it now.
But its real to them
I mean, this is the school that felt a legitimate claim to 6 straight B1G titles even with two shared by a team that beat them head to head. 9 out of 10 times. Whatever, everyone does it.
"Penn State is the standard for success with honor. Period. I can’t even believe we’re even discussing that" - ReadingRambler
OSU fans specifically mentioning Auburn and the Newtons as a reason why whatever going on isn’t a violation? Show me.
Ann Arbor behaves slatternly.
Its not just that...
its the whole “everybody cheats” mentality thats ridiculous.
by Artiefufkin10 on May 9, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Make no mistake- everybody cheats.
I mean everybody cheats, gets tats from you, takes free cars from me, whatever.
Everybody cheats*, in the sense that players get impermissible benefits that are not reported or punished at every D1A program. It doesn’t make cheating permissible or praiseworthy, it’s just a statement of fact, and just about every OSU partisan I’ve seen saying that everybody cheats has said “but that doesn’t matter” or “but that doesn’t justify cheating.”
That everyone cheats seems obvious, to the point where believing otherwise seems like naivete or an excuse for an attitude. One problem with the reactions is that a great number of people are outraged, outraged that there is cheating going on at OSU, and you Penn State BSD folks are among the worst of the bunch. The outrage seems very artificial, the tone more gleeful than discouraged, like you’ve been waiting for an opportunity to tut-tut rather than wanting punishment. This isn’t specific to BSD, or even the reaction to this case in general, but something that happens during the scandal of the week.
*Yes, yes, the NCAA has never Penn State with a major infraction. No, your program is not pure as the driven snow, nor is JoePa. Stop that.
Ann Arbor behaves slatternly.
Unless you have evidence of wrong doing
Either by JoePa directly or with respect to the football team, I’d suggest you leave the innuendo and scolding to the fan base that follows a team that does not make embarrassing headlines week after week.
That said, your coach is a cheat and your quarterback is bought and paid for.
by kijana's acl on May 9, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 21 recs
Never claimed we are more "holier than thou"..
And if you read some of my comments on this site, I’m not an O$U hater. I actually think they have a great tradition and a proud university, especially with respect to all the great research stuff done up there.
I’m not having too much fun with these allegations. I find it humorous though, that a lot of fans are still backing Tressel. I find it humorous that President Gee would still back him up at this point. This situation is messy, and I think it would be best to cut ties with him. You can still have a very successful program without a leader that now has a track record of breaking NCAA rules.
by Artiefufkin10 on May 9, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't even find it humorous, sadly.
I find it disgraceful. Ohio State is a partner both academically and athletically. I’m not sorry that I might sound “holier than thou.” The attitude of the Buckeye fanbase has been to project their insecurities on everyone else.
“Everyone does it. We know it’s not right, but neither are you. You’re not perfect.”
No, we’re not. What happened in the Scirrotto apartment fight was disgraceful. The DUI’s were not only stunning, but entirely avoidable and stupid. The difference is that Penn State disciplines its players (even for minor alcohol violations that I wouldn’t scold any student for), owns up to its mistakes, and sets the right example for college football. Ohio State flagrantly violates rule after rule and they get insulted when they’re called out about it.
The day a Joe Paterno coached team does something nearly as stupid as what’s been alleged against OSU over the past 10 years is the day that I post about it. Conclusory allegations of “everybody does it” is irrational. Everyone doesn’t do it, and since I’m not in high school anymore, that argument no longer works on me.
Take a shower, shine your shoes...
by Adam Collyer on May 9, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 21 recs
Wow, grammar fail
*Conclusory allegations of “everybody does it” ARE irrational.
Take a shower, shine your shoes...
How is this not rec'd?
You people are slipping. Mr. Collyer’s post refutes that ridiculous Ohio State talking point with ease.
Slightly more slatternly than Ohio State's compliance department.
by ReadingRambler on May 9, 2011 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
+5
Editor at BT Powerhouse, a Big Ten Basketball blog.
Author at Acme Packing Company, a Green Bay Packers blog
LeBron James delenda est.
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on May 9, 2011 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
It was the grammatical error. Now, in order to keep the internet the internet, my post must at least contain a speeling error.
by Pentimental on May 10, 2011 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm more in this camp.
It’s not fair to paint everyone here with one broad stroke. (Not everyone hates OSU. Some of us are more ambivalent.)
Also, I don’t think most people here are outraged. That’s actually part of the problem for Ohio State. It’s a plausible, almost expected scandal. There has been too much smoke in recent years for there not to be a fire.
Go Lions !! if
by Illegal Formation on May 9, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
And if there's mass outrage,
it’s more with the NCAA for not applying its standards evenly.
Go Lions !! if
by Illegal Formation on May 9, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I have no problem with you- that is not a response to your post.
And I am not going to call anybody out specifically- scouring comments for snippets and posting them would be pretty pathetic. But the general feeling I sense here is relief, that finally those suspicions of wrongdoing in Columbus have been validated, and I can show everybody how glad I am that I’m not one of those cheaters . I also pick up the sense of lots of people wanting justice for wrongdoing, which is right and proper and an appropriate response which I respect, but it’s being overshadowed by contempt.
Among Ohio State fans, there’s little question that Jim Tressel is a good man, little question that his behavior here has been shockingly unethical, and little question that winning games is a big part of the decision whether or not to keep him. Our loyalty to him is why he’s got very divided support, and the foolishness at the press conference is why Gee can’t fire him at least until the NCAA’s punishment is handed down.
Ann Arbor behaves slatternly.
That's fair. There are actually several OSU commenters
who frequent various PSU communities that I enjoy speaking with. I’m very disappointed with the way the university is handling this. Contempt is a valid emotion because this kind of behavior robs us of a fair fight, and we should expect better from our conference partners.
Take a shower, shine your shoes...
Like you kinda said above, the attitude I sense from nearly all Ohio State fans, ranging from more reasonable ones like Aziraphale to the total nutjobs, seems to be, You can’t hold us in contempt because you’re not perfect, there have been worse cheaters, and there have been vastly worse crimes.
Excluding the fans, you know why I have always hated Ohio State? Because they’ve been a standard football factory since at least 1988 (I’ll leave any accusation regarding past coaches to guys with more historical knowledge of the program. Perhaps ck?). Cripes, there were SI articles bemoaning Katzenmoyer’s “academic” “pursits” as far back as the summer of ’98. That a football factory would take things too far is not at all surprising, that the man of honor would be caught cheating when there were whispers of misdeeds at YSU and whispers and allegations of further misdeeds at OSU is not surprising, and that the administration would act so sleazy is not that surprising either. Why? Because there is a historical record of football factories doing such stuff, and to often greater distances of corrupt behavior.
Slightly more slatternly than Ohio State's compliance department.
by ReadingRambler on May 9, 2011 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions
If you believe this...
The outrage seems very artificial, the tone more gleeful than discouraged, like you’ve been waiting for an opportunity to tut-tut rather than wanting punishment.
Then you haven’t read any of the posts about Ohio State’s NCAA issues that have been on the front page of this site in the past 2 weeks.
Take a shower, shine your shoes...
by Adam Collyer on May 9, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
You have a point. Let me retry that.
I don’t think wanting punishment is unjustified, or that discouraged was a good choice of words, or that I even explained the artificiality well at all.
The outrage seems artificial in that it seems to come more from your [BSD readers’] identities as Penn State fans than your personal convictions, that your association with an unsanctioned program means you treat this like a stark good vs. evil, us vs. them dichotomy. For example, I understand and encourage the mentality behind comments questioning why Ohio State fans are abiding by a coach who has cheated and/or acted unethically; I abhor the comments that answer, “because Ohio State is the embodiment of all that is wrong in college football and its fans are fine with anything if they win.” My issue is with the blustery preachers.
Ann Arbor behaves slatternly.
Prepare for bluster.
it seems to come more from your [BSD readers’] identities as Penn State fans than your personal convictions
The two are intertwined. Thus is life in the Penn State community. It’s the way Joe wants it. Let it ring forth.
Go Lions !! if
by Illegal Formation on May 9, 2011 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
And there we have it!
I began following Penn State football because I was born into it. I continued following Penn State football because Joe Paterno’s moral convictions appeal to me and inspire me.
Slightly more slatternly than Ohio State's compliance department.
by ReadingRambler on May 9, 2011 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
And, you see, Joe Paterno has spent his entire coaching career fighting against the two greatest problems with college athletics: greed and a lust to win at any cost. I don’t see how anyone could possibly argue that what Ohio State has done over the last ten years or so isn’t related to greed and a lust to win at almost any cost (They didn’t go full SMU). And, so, I fail to comprehend how my hating Ohio State for doing what Joe Paterno and I both hate is somehow just a result of simple football rivalry. I freely admit that my preexisting dislike for Ohio State football adds to the passion of my opinions on the matter, and I admit that I am often incensed by this notion that we can’t bash the hell out of OSU because Paterno isn’t perfect and just because we’re PSU fans, but none of that, in my mind, subtracts from the real issue.
Slightly more slatternly than Ohio State's compliance department.
by ReadingRambler on May 9, 2011 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
Like Rambler, I was born into a Penn State family
I have stayed a fan because being so fits my personal convictions. When we had the off field issues it made me physically ill. . I was proud when Joe made THE WHOLE TEAM clean the stadium for 7 weeks. That is conviction and doing the right thing. I works for me.
We’ll see what happens when Joe leaves. I like to think we stay on the same path and I don’t have to abandon a lifetime of fandom (not to mention $$$$ worth of swag). If we go all “win at any cost”, who knows. I lived in GA for 10 years and that Mark Richt seems to do the right thing. I will get may college football fix some way and there will always be someone honorable out there to admire.
Penn State players probably have gotten cash and other benefits
I won’t deny that. But at what scale? If Joe caught wind of that stuff, then he’d be pissed. Really, it probably does, but at a guaranteed lower rate
by ICEICETHATGUY13 on May 9, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I've never made any claim that PSU Football is pure
I will make the claim that PSU Football, and athletics in general, are by far the purest anyone can find with the possible exception of Stanford.
I’d assume that of the hundreds of draft picks, let alone thousands of players, that Joe has coached, that at least one or two has cheated on a test or gotten a good deal on a car or received a dead president handshake during his tenure. What I defy anyone to say is that Joe either knew or should have known and did nothing about it.
I've got the brains. You've got the looks. Let's make lots of money.
The only improper benefit that springs to mind
was Curtis Enis’ suit. And he was suspended by Paterno. The NCAA did not get involved because he took care of this in-house.
Stanford is our rival.
Slightly more slatternly than Ohio State's compliance department.
by ReadingRambler on May 9, 2011 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Your response here is utterly ridiculous.
Why the heck would we ever NOT point out that Penn State has never had a major infraction? Why the heck would we NOT point out that when improper benefits have been discovered (Curtis Enis…personal friend of mine) that player was STIFFLY penalized by Joe Paterno. Are you going to sit there and try to tell me that Joe Paterno is a cheater??
by PSUWifey on May 9, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
On this scale, no.
But having coached for 45 (?) years as a head coach, most of them with a powerhouse program, I can guarantee you through sheer probability that there have been primary violations he either knew about, should have known about, or found out about too late to do anything that have gone unreported. I can’t say that anything Paterno or Penn State football have done over the years approaches this. It probably doesn’t, and it doesn’t change my admiration for Paterno, but I would find it exceedingly difficult for a fan of any major program to say that their program is totally clean.
Ann Arbor behaves slatternly.
Based on that, the Big Ten playing field isn't level. Do you agree?
I mean if Ohio State is more lax in controlling outside influences, and recruits-in-common more likely to obtain financial benefit at Ohio State than at other Big Ten schools, doesn’t that give tOSU an unfair advantage in the conference?
Until we (Stanford or the Service Academys) get caught
Everybody isn’t doing it.
Also, look who we’re the last people on the list with, if you think you’re going to cheat and we’re not going to throw that out, well…. it’s like you’ve never argued before.
Our record of honesty is tied for first with some pretty high end folks and second to nobody, so, well… que the dog.
Our rival is Stanford.
by jesse. on May 9, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
I'm not talking about ON THE SCALE OF O$U
You are insulting the most honest college football program and coach there is to even whisper their names in the same breath as your bunch of cheaters.
Everyone ISN’T doing it. That’s the lamest excuse ever.
by PSUWifey on May 9, 2011 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
You are essentially basing your argument on pure speculation against the most honorable man in the history of the sport. So, ok.
Slightly more slatternly than Ohio State's compliance department.
by ReadingRambler on May 9, 2011 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Ohio State has been cheating, badly, for ten years.
The MVP of the Fiesta Bowl was Maurice Clarett. Ohio State cheated. When one team cheats, other teams suffer. Ohio State cheats in 2002, wins a national title, and Penn State finishes third in the Big Ten instead of second. USC cheats in 2005 and Penn State plays in the Orange Bowl instead of for the National Title.
Cheating = Stealing. And Ohio State cheats. A lot. And then makes tons (and tons) of ridiculous excuses and rationalizations to support themselves. You know who makes tons (and tons) of ridiculous excuses and rationalizations to support themselves? Cheaters. And Ohio State is a bunch of f#$king cheaters.
End of story.
Our rival is Stanford.
by jesse. on May 9, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 15 recs
Like seriously...
An enourmous rats nest of cheaters and people who make excuses for cheating. Don’t blame me, I just said it. You guys are the ones doing it. You might as well blame the weather man for the rain.
Don’t like the story about Ohio State cheating? STOP CHEATING!
Our rival is Stanford.
by jesse. on May 9, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
Yup. Robbed me of a National Title game appearance vs. Tejas my senior year.
USC cheats in 2005 and Penn State plays in the Orange Bowl instead of for the National Title.
I’ll never forgive Reggie Bush for the 4th quarter against Fresno.
Take a shower, shine your shoes...
And the Bush Push. The only time it is ever acceptable to root for Charlie Weis or Notre Dame is against USC, and they should’ve won that game.
Ann Arbor behaves slatternly.
I actually feel worse about Fresno, but it's really a timing issue.
I found out about the Bush Push on my drive home from our Ann Arbor road trip, where we lost on several ugly calls plus a Chad Henne touchdown pass that happened about 50 feet in front of my face. I remember stopping at a gas station and seeing a bunch of bummed out Notre Dame fans, and we all just kind of looked at each other like our dogs had been shot.
With Fresno, we had just beaten Sparty and the team came back with the trophy to a raucus reception in Rec Hall at about 11 PM. We realized that Miami had lost to Georgia Tech (?), pushing us to 3rd in the polls. Then we got word on the walk back to the house than Fresno was laying the wood to Southern Cal, and we sprinted back to watch the final quarter…….only to see Bush basically shoot our dog again.
Take a shower, shine your shoes...
U$C didn't rob us that year
Michigan did
by ICEICETHATGUY13 on May 9, 2011 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
No, Michigan beat us.
Until Mario Manningham or Chad Henne is determined to be ineligeble it’s just a tough (in a place with a reputation for shitty) call[s]. And it didn’t matter, USC would have lost three games without Reggie Bush, and we were #3 in both polls on the last day of the season.
Also, we’d have beat Texas, but yeah… whatever.
Our rival is Stanford.
Jason Avant catch is what I was getting at
But yeah, technically they won fair and square. Still a tad bitter, but nothing compared to what it was back then.
by ICEICETHATGUY13 on May 9, 2011 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, Michigan beat us but they also robbed us. I say this because you and I both know we were the better team. Michigan just decided to stop underachieving for one game that fall. They had to pick us.
Slightly more slatternly than Ohio State's compliance department.
by ReadingRambler on May 9, 2011 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I know Bush received some improper benefits...
but that was one of the best performances I have ever seen. Fresno still scored more points on USC than the Vince Youngs did.
I am epic win.
by Esteban d' Amur on May 10, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
It was an incredible performance by a professional against college players.
I loved watching Reggie Bush, except in that very moment.
Take a shower, shine your shoes...
by Adam Collyer on May 10, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Meh...
I could really careless that his parents got a new house. I enjoyed watching him play college football. Rules were broken and punishments handed out.
I am epic win.
by Esteban d' Amur on May 10, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Reggie broke no laws.
I am epic win.
by Esteban d' Amur on May 10, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I know...
I was being REggie’s lawyer.
I am epic win.
by Esteban d' Amur on May 10, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not sure if you are serious or not.
If you are serious, why do you love watching him play college football? At that point he was no longer an amateur athlete, which is one of the tenets of college athletics. Why not just break a few more rules and compile a team consisting of current NFL stars during the lockout, and then practice them more than the current limit (so that they can gel together). I’m sure they’d dominate their competition and be quite enjoyable to watch, but I wouldn’t enjoy a second of it.
by The JuggerNitt on May 10, 2011 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Outrage?
Speaking for myself, I’m far from “outraged” at OSU. However, gleeful? Yeah, I’d say that. Not because I enjoy watching a rival doing a swan dive into the murk (which, by the way, Jimmy and the Admins are doing in Olympic caliber fashion). It’s the same joy feeling and reaction I had when U$C got slammed last summer.
Whether you want to label it message board rumor mongering, jealousy at your programs recent success, or just being an overall douche, people have known and/or speculated for years that OSU was running a filthy program, but somehow were able to escape getting slammed big time. And worse yet, was that by and large, the fanbase didn’t care because they were winning. 350 some admitted violations to the NCAA, and somehow there was never a major investigation into the compliance of OSU, and no fans began to question how their fabled program was being run? Now however, we get to watch the formerly pumped up chests of the OSU fan-base deflate, because after all of their bravado and seemingly lack of care that shady dealings were going down so long as they were winning, finally OSU is getting what it’s had coming to it for a long time.
And I say I’m gleeful in the sense that justice, karma, or whatever you want to call it, is finally seemingly righting itself out. It’s one more victory for the good guys (and by “good guys” I mean programs that actually run a clean ship, not just Penn State). It’s one glimmer of hope I have for the future of cleaning up CFB. Otherwise, I’m sad and disgusted at what happens when fans, administrators, coaches, and players value wins over playing by the rules and how quickly they turn a blind eye to any hint of it being otherwise. It’s the same disgusted feeling I get when I look at CFB as a whole: oversigning, greyshirting/medical hardship schollies, pay for play, improper benefits, and on and on. You seem like a decent fellow, so I’m sorry this has to happen to your school of choice, but if it means moving towards a less corrupt, cleaner CFB landscape, I wish OSU nothing but the worst the NCAA can give it.
And your jab at Penn State and Joe strikes me as a shallow attempt at an insult with no weight behind it. For part of our fan base, we overreact to a massive degree when we lose out on a VHT recruit according to websites. If we were cheating somehow, or offering improper benefits to players, don’t you think we’d get a few more of those OMG FIVE STAR recruits? It seems to me over the past five years or so that I’ve loosely followed recruiting (mainly through BSD) we’ve almost always lost out on those battles where it’s down to us and one or a few other schools. I don’t even know where you’re aiming that insult. Where do you propose we aren’t the one bastion of all things good in CFB? Recruiting? S&C (LOL)? Improper benefits? Please, by all means tell me where I’m wrong and where the dark underbelly of PSU lies, because after my 23 years of fandom and love for the town and school, I have yet to see it.
by dawsonPSU10 on May 9, 2011 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
Every program violates NCAA regulations without getting caught
Just like everyone’s driven 65 in a 55 without getting caught. I don’t see how that’s relevant. If you’re alleging that every program habitually commits major violations without getting caught, you’re just wrong.
The issue is not that players are receiving benefits. The issue is what the university is doing to enforce NCAA regulations on the matter. Of course, players at Penn State have received improper benefits. I’m sure players have done so without getting caught. But as far as we know, when the university has known about it (e.g. Curtis Enis), they’ve dealt with it properly. From everything we’ve seen coming out of Ohio State over the past months, it would appear that the administration has done their best to conceal these violations in order to keep productive players on the field. THAT’s where the problem is.
More than any other program in the Big Ten, there have been numerous incidents over the past decade to suggest that OSU hasn’t been playing by the rules. If fans of other programs react with “glee,” I think it’s because we’re happy that these violations are finally being addressed.
by newenglandnittanylion on May 9, 2011 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This wouldn't/couldn't happen without said scandal of the week.
The outrage seems very artificial, the tone more gleeful than discouraged, like you’ve been waiting for an opportunity to tut-tut rather than wanting punishment. This isn’t specific to BSD, or even the reaction to this case in general, but something that happens during the scandal of the week.
Stop the scandals, there will be no more “glee”
BTW
I have no glee. I am sad. I said this in a post yesterday. I am flat out of schadenfruede, glee, smugness and joy. College football becomes less fun everyday when shit like this happens. And that makes me truly, honestly sad.
I think Ohio State fans are mistaking our calling their staff idiots and our willingness to argue with their stupid talking points as “happiness” or “glee” or whatever.
I, for one, just like to talk a lot about any subject.
Slightly more slatternly than Ohio State's compliance department.
by ReadingRambler on May 9, 2011 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I see what you did there, with your signature.
Go Lions !! if
by Illegal Formation on May 9, 2011 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but I'm thinking about changing it again already.
Someone at BHGP described his idea of my house and it was awesome. He thinks the “dessicated corpse of a Schwans salesman” hangs from an oak tree in my moat.
Slightly more slatternly than Ohio State's compliance department.
by ReadingRambler on May 9, 2011 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
The moat seems a little much,
but I do love the imagery.
Go Lions !! if
by Illegal Formation on May 9, 2011 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Rambler needs the moat
It helps to keep investigators away from the makeshift surgical ward in his basement. The authorities can be quite a nusaince when your harvesting kidneys to help Ferentz maintain his player development god status.
I'm your late night evening prostitute
by Frank O'Brien on May 9, 2011 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
More players drafted this year than any other Big Ten school, blouses!
Slightly more slatternly than Ohio State's compliance department.
by ReadingRambler on May 9, 2011 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Schwanz Salesman
You bought yourself a schwanz? Eine grösse schwanz?
Alea jacta est...
by PSUGuru on May 9, 2011 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Jawohl!
Er hatte einen sehr kleinen Schwanz hatte er zu ersetzen.
Bier macht den Schwanz wachsen auch
by Pentimental on May 10, 2011 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Much respect.
Prostitution has so many delightful synonyms and adjectives related to it.
Ann Arbor behaves slatternly.
Why should we be sad.
Ohio State has been cheating for years, and their fans have been obnoxiously rubbing their “success” in the faces of everybody since 2002. All we could say is, at best, yeah….somethings fishy in Columbus and they’ll get theirs eventually.
Ohio State, your’s is coming up. I’m happy as hell about it. I love it when cheaters get caught, I like it even more when they get punished.
Our rival is Stanford.
by jesse. on May 10, 2011 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
"Its a real shame because it seems that their run of B10 championships is going to have this asterisk over it now."
It already did in my mind. Hopefully they vacate some wins and fork over those trophies for 2005 and 2008. Scumbags.
"I don't want to injure anybody," James Harrison said. "But I'm not opposed to hurting anybody."
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
Well, they don't really need to fork over any trophies
since the true league champions from those years still have their trophies….
by dawsonPSU10 on May 10, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Now, I would be far from opposed from making them no longer able to claim they had a straight run of B10 championships other than a two year streak
by dawsonPSU10 on May 10, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah
I paused when using the word “trophy” there. I meant all the spoils of those championships that O$U “won” in 2005 and 2008.
The 6 straight crap is probably the worst part.
Oh yeah and many of the OSU players probably can’t hand theirs back anyway because, you know, they sold them.
"I don't want to injure anybody," James Harrison said. "But I'm not opposed to hurting anybody."
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
Are we sure they still have their trophies?
You could probably get 3 or 4 tats for something like that.
by kijana's acl on May 13, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Buckeye Reactions
From my highly unscientific polling, so far the reactions of Buckeye fans on message boards and blogs are as follows.
2% think the Buckeyes run a dirty program and deserve to be punished. This is actually up from 0.3% a week ago.
45% feel this stuff happens everywhere and they’re just the subject of a media witch hunt because they are OMG SO AWSUM
38% say none of this evidence would hold up in a court of law. Documents can be forged. Therefore, nothing to worry about here. Everything will blow over.
10% say “Hey, if players can negotiate a great car deal, what’s illegal about that?”
5% say go ahead and let them take away 40 scholarships. The Buckeyes will still win the Big Ten and play for the National Championship.
by BSD on May 9, 2011 1:30 PM EDT reply actions 13 recs
LOL
I don’t know whether to laugh or cry when I read all of that.
Pretty sure U$C fans felt the same way (about their “awesomeness”) until you know, Petey skipped our right before crap hit the fan.
I just hope we see #SMU2k11gaze trending again.
by Artiefufkin10 on May 9, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
The few O$U fans that I associate with
all think Tressel should have been gone when the first part of the scandal came out. They just hang their head in shame with each new part that comes out. That isn’t fun for me because I almost feel bad harassing them about it anymore.
That said, the more and more stuff comes out, the more it’s going to be impossible for the NCAA to not throw the LOIC charge at them. If they could make it stick with U$C because “they should have known” how can they not with O$U?
It's even possible that Jim Tressel drinks out of the toilet
Considering they made it stick to...
U$C over 2 players (Bush and Mayo) it should be no problem with O$U. O$U is much, much worse.
I am epic win.
by Esteban d' Amur on May 9, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you live in Pennsylvania?
Just another drifter who broke the law.
by ReadingRambler on May 9, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Unfortunately some Ohioans migrated to Pa
It's even possible that Jim Tressel drinks out of the toilet
Yeah, that’s what I thought. They’re probably less arrogant because of their surroundings.
Just another drifter who broke the law.
by ReadingRambler on May 9, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
There are a lot of Ohio State alumn
in the Pittsburgh area. Between them and the Pitt guys I never went back after I graduated
"Penn State is the standard for success with honor. Period. I can’t even believe we’re even discussing that" - ReadingRambler
But think of how many opportunities your missing to exhibit your superiority.
Go Lions !! if
by Illegal Formation on May 9, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Truest of the True!
" When you cross that Blue Line, you are mine...Across the Blue Line, it's all football. " " And what you need to do in your life is paint Blue Lines everywhere. " - Joe Paterno 2009
by BlueWhiteLife on May 9, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
It's the 38% and the 10% that bug me.
If a fan wants to be a homer about this, fine. But, as lax as OSU’s academic standards are (uncalled for!), most of their fans don’t have a J.D. What do they know about the legality of the situation? Cram it.
Go Lions !! if
by Illegal Formation on May 9, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
The scary thing
is that I think those numbers are incredibly accurate
I've got the brains. You've got the looks. Let's make lots of money.
I don't know who you've been talking to, but you're mistaken on the mindset of the blogs and message boards.
I would suggest you run into a higher-than-average number of trolls here, who skew your perception by being loud and/or obnoxious.
Ann Arbor behaves slatternly.
But sweeping stereotypes are much more fun
It's even possible that Jim Tressel drinks out of the toilet
by jman07 on May 9, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
The various stupid positions you described ARE funny.
I have heard different people say all of those things, and you’re dead on, especially with the WOO NATIONAL CHAMPS subset. Them, and the “the media are haters!” and “remain calm, all is well!” groups can and should be dismissed. I just wish those people would be represented as the lunatic fringe they are, rather than the norm.
Ann Arbor behaves slatternly.
I'll be laughing when I sell those people $25 t-shirts commemorating Ohio State's 2012-14 bowl games
And they’re just plain white Hanes t-shirts.
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by Run Up The Score on May 9, 2011 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 26 recs
I take back every bad thing I’ve ever said about you.
Slightly more slatternly than Ohio State's compliance department.
by ReadingRambler on May 9, 2011 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
what's the record for most recs for a comment
this has a shot of breaking whatever it is
I wouldn’t give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed.
Pretty sure it's north of 30
but this is a good one for sure
John has a long moustache
Fugimaster24 is the better Adam.
WAAAAYYYY North of 30
Actually I thought you actually held that record for your pic with SOA, AdamShell, but I looked back and there’s only 30 recs there, but I know there have been comments with more recs than 30. I wish you could do a search for most rec’d posts, but alas, no.
That was back when I was the best Adam
But that wasn’t a comment. Actually if I remember correctly, RUTS might actually own the record already, but I can’t remember what the comment was about.
John has a long moustache
Fugimaster24 is the better Adam.
There's an EDSBS comment that has like 270 recs.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on May 9, 2011 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
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by boddagettaflyer on Nov 3, 2010 2:11 PM CDT actions 278 recs
The 278 recs part? It’s real.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on May 10, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
that truly was an epic post
and that poor longhorns bookstore, trying to honor some players with inexpensive fiberglass statues. Perhaps it wouldn’t have been as ridiculous if every player didn’t look exactly the same. Ah well, no good deed goes unmocked.
by The JuggerNitt on May 10, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
That was about the funniest thing I've ever read
I think my favorite comment was something about “Bojangles O’Blackface” or something like that. I spit water all over my computer on that one.
It's even possible that Jim Tressel drinks out of the toilet
And now people are looking at me.
Forgot about that name, read your post, remembered, started laughing loudly.
Great humor doesn’t lose its punch. That’s great humor.
The picture of the scUM defensive back
“covering” Moye on an out pattern is pure win.
It's even possible that Jim Tressel drinks out of the toilet
only because it is somewhat relevant to this thread (and any excuse to post the pic)
but I think this is my most rec’d comment
I recall there was once a fanpost or fanshot or maybe it was even a fan comment that rapidly reached 31 comments, but we specifically tried to unrec to keep it from surpassing the 31 mark (I think it had something to do with one of our famous LBs to don that #, but I can’t remember the specifics). I bet without any unreccing it would hold the record.
by The JuggerNitt on May 10, 2011 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions
greatest picture ever
add one more rec to it
I wouldn’t give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed.
I still prefer the Cryor pic
but there hasn’t been much to warrant that picture of late.
I wonder if he’ll ever feel guilt at how his actions are reflecting on the university, bringing down sanctions, and hang his head in shame yet again.
by The JuggerNitt on May 10, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I just posted it in another thread
Let me tell you, it felt fabulous doing so.
It's even possible that Jim Tressel drinks out of the toilet
by jman07 on May 10, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well until proven otherwise, you hold the current record at 42 recs
by dawsonPSU10 on May 10, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm kinda hoping that skarocksoi's fake spam post on the OSU blog post has a good showing.
All the components of a great comment: innocuous set-up by someone else, great timing, and subtle manipulation of content or meaning.
by The JuggerNitt on May 10, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Now I know what to get my jaO$U fan friends/family members as gifts.
I would also consider buying OSU 2010 Big Ten co-Champ shirts and either bleaching them, or just putting a big red X over them (you know, once the wins are officially vacated).
by The JuggerNitt on May 10, 2011 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm on the Internet cause I'm an Internet thug.
by skarocksoi on May 9, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Now I'm chuckling.
Squirm, Ohio State fans, as you rationalize and face reality! Squirm like a worm!
Slightly more slatternly than Ohio State's compliance department.
by ReadingRambler on May 9, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I tried the "Everyone else does it!" defense once.
The cop still wrote me up.
by CvilleLion on May 9, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
These kinds of issues wouldn't happen under Paterno
I know certain elements will roll their eyes and think it’s naive to say that, but it’s the truth. While any kind of shadiness with this car dealer is not directly Tressel’s fault, the difference with Paterno is that he consistently puts bite behind his bark on pretty much EVERYTHING.
His players, when considering doing something that is either obviously against rules or just in some shady gray area, have to always have in the back of their minds “I could get benched for this.” And it’s a real danger. I love Paterno’s approach to discipline and even I get annoyed sometimes when good players are held out of quarters or entire games for things that seem pretty insignificant. But when your star receiver gets benched for slacking on his studies before his outgoing bowl game and your star linebacker gets benched for prank calls, etc. etc. people understand that even things that seem kinda silly can have serious repercussions.
On the other hand, there’s Tressel’s approach (which isn’t really unique to him). I have no doubt that he’s done a lot for players and helped a lot of guys mature in their time in Columbus. However, he’s pretty damn permissive. If someone does something wrong, maybe he talks to them about it and tells them to stop. There’s no real bite. The players get used to getting away with things, so it develops their attitude. Yeah I can just skirt by at the lowest ebb of academic eligibility, or yes I can get free tats or cars until I’m told I’m not allowed to anymore.
The presumption for Ohio State players is that you can do whatever you want UNTIL someone tells you that you’re not allowed. For Penn State, it’s the opposite – you better not try something, just in case you’re not allowed to do it. Err on the side of caution. I’m not really trying to trash Tressel or OSU, because this is the way 90% of college programs operate. But re: the question at the end of your post – it’s just so much less likely to happen when the coaching staff consistently shows players that they’ll be held to a much higher standard of accountability. We pay the cost of having talented players “in the doghouse” or suspended for things that we think are ridiculous, but in reality it probably prevents anything on a scale this wide from happening.
by OctaShields on May 9, 2011 1:40 PM EDT reply actions 10 recs
Do you think a tO$U player ever gets benched for cutting class?
Has it ever happened? Even once? Ever?
Would Joe Jurevicius have played if Tressel were the coach?
I'd say he probably would have
I’m actually not 100% behind Joe’s decision to bench Jurevicius (I think he was having personal problems or something at the time, and I know it still pissed him off years later), but the point is that that’s what Joe does…and it’s known among the players.
The threat of punishment is real, and sometimes it’s almost literally equivalent to the last bastion of parenting, “because I said so.” Joe Paterno is like one’s own parents. They know what’s going on with you, and if you act out of line or get into something you shouldn’t be getting into, they will punish you. You know your bedtime, you know you have to do your homework and you know what the restrictions are for TV time or how much candy you can eat or whatever. You know all this, and you know you won’t get off the hook if you break the rules, so you rarely try to pull any BS.
OSU seems to be like your aunt or your neighbor’s mom at a sleepover (sounds hot, I know). They are nicer to you, and rarely punish you unless you’re caught red-handed or you’re doing something that your parents will find out about when you get home, and they want to cover their own ass (in this example, your parents are now the NCAA).
You can pull more shenanigans when you’re in their charge, like staying up late (“my parents let me stay up until 11 (a lie) and I’m not tired!”) slacking off (“I only had one assignment for homework, so I’m all done”) or going out in the yard and burning matchbox cars with WD-40. I’m not sure what the metaphor for the last one is, but I used to do that at my friend’s house.
I liken OSU more to one of those parents of a friend in high school
that would totally buy you booze even though you were underage, just so they could be the “cool” parent that all the kids liked.
by dawsonPSU10 on May 10, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Considering the price tag...
Ann Arbor behaves slatternly.
by Semicorrect on May 9, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
But it's an ugly boat.
The HMS Hood has better lines and it’s split in two at the bottom of the ocean.
Just another drifter who broke the law.
by ReadingRambler on May 9, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
I’m rec’ing this for its utter ridiculousness.
Go Lions !! if
by Illegal Formation on May 9, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank you.
It’s probably my favorite post ever.
Slightly more slatternly than Ohio State's compliance department.
by ReadingRambler on May 9, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe it was a special
You know, like, get your car serviced here, drive a free one home.
It's even possible that Jim Tressel drinks out of the toilet
Why are
Jim Tressel, Lt. Moses Hightower, and Orville Redenbacher hanging out together in that picture?
I'm on the Internet cause I'm an Internet thug.
by skarocksoi on May 9, 2011 1:57 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Gee: “Curmudgeonly curmudgeonly curmudgeon. Awkward joke. Curmudgeon. Rassafrassa rass.”
Smith: “I got about eight .38s! Nine 9s! Ten Mac-10s! The list never ends! You can’t touch my riches! Even if you got MC Hammer and them .357 bitches!”
Tressel: "That’s great! Jim, my brother Dick called. He said you’ve got some sick rhymes.
Slightly more slatternly than Ohio State's compliance department.
by ReadingRambler on May 9, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
paid for the car, and I’m still paying for it
$0, paid over 60 monthly installments of $0, after a downpayment of $0.
@jschnauzer
Bloggin' at http://joepasdoghouse.com
This is not fuzzy math.
And this might not be either…
" When you cross that Blue Line, you are mine...Across the Blue Line, it's all football. " " And what you need to do in your life is paint Blue Lines everywhere. " - Joe Paterno 2009
by BlueWhiteLife on May 9, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
OMG
We really are heading towards idiocracy, at warp speed!
I may be showing my age here, but did anyone else get the mental image of some teenager desperately trying to remember who Pythagoras was and wishing they could remember his theorem? (Keeping in mind this is the simplest right triangle, 3-4-5, and I was taught to recognize that pattern at about 12 years old.)
A teacher with a good sense of humor
would have made this ‘question #5’; ’ya know…just because
" When you cross that Blue Line, you are mine...Across the Blue Line, it's all football. " " And what you need to do in your life is paint Blue Lines everywhere. " - Joe Paterno 2009
by BlueWhiteLife on May 9, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
He probably thinks
that Pythagoras is some dude from Greek mythology.
This is BSD, the crazy stirs itself.
he actually was a little bit
or at least tales were written about him, including his ability to travel through time and space and talk to plants and animals.
I'm on the Internet cause I'm an Internet thug.
Every time I see this picture I crack up laughing
If this was on a real exam, and the teacher marked it wrong, that is a crime against humanity.
Absolutely
If she would have worded the question correctly (“find the value of x”) then it’d be a different story, but the student answered the question in the most efficient way possible.
Teachers...
love when you point this stuff out to them.
I am epic win.
by Esteban d' Amur on May 9, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I received many...
a talking to for “showing up” the teacher.
I am epic win.
by Esteban d' Amur on May 9, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm writing a new assignment
for my Surgical Physician Assistant class. I should post it on here for you guys to go over and make sure that there are no glaring errors in the way that I’ve worded the questions!
This is BSD, the crazy stirs itself.
For my Unit Plan for pre-pre-student teaching
my teacher told me that I had to change the instructions at the top of my final essay exam on Orwell’s 1984. I had mistakenly put something to the effect of “Choose one essay.” and he said “You’re always going to have one of those smart-a$$ kids who just circles one of them and say, ‘I choose that one.’ And then you’re going to be mad at him because he’s being a jerk, but then you’re going to laugh because it’s funny.”
For the record, though, I’m almost positive that picture’s a fake.
Pretty sure this one’s real though:
John has a long moustache
Fugimaster24 is the better Adam.
by AdamShell on May 9, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
I remember taking a quantum physics class at PSU
and being asked a question about the orientation of a particle. I wrote that it was inappropriate to ask a particle’s orientation as that is a personal matter. The TA looked quite perplexed yet amused when she handed it back to me.
I'm on the Internet cause I'm an Internet thug.
by skarocksoi on May 9, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Yeah, particles used to also adhere to
Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell
by OctaShields on May 9, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Two atoms accidentally run into each other
the first one says “Oh no, I think I lost an electron.” to which the other replies “Are you positive?”
Thank you folks, I’ll be here all night.
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by skarocksoi on May 9, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
Coincidentally
- 2 BSD “Adams” accidentally run into each other (in Beaver Canyon?). The first one says: “_________”
" When you cross that Blue Line, you are mine...Across the Blue Line, it's all football. " " And what you need to do in your life is paint Blue Lines everywhere. " - Joe Paterno 2009
by BlueWhiteLife on May 9, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Is that your answer?!
- joking
- BTW, keep up the great work on your front page posts!
" When you cross that Blue Line, you are mine...Across the Blue Line, it's all football. " " And what you need to do in your life is paint Blue Lines everywhere. " - Joe Paterno 2009
by BlueWhiteLife on May 9, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Is the elephant in
a vacuum?
Unsupervised children will be given a case of 4loco and a basket of kittens
key piece of information
since being on a frictionless plane, it wouldn’t matter if there is an elephant in the way or not. Of course, problems like this never require you to take into account drag, elephants in the way or not.
by The JuggerNitt on May 9, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
say what?
and this is why I am not majoring in something that requires math. or science. or really any kind of technology.
by Milne4heisman94 on May 9, 2011 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions
man you are hitting up all the nations hot spots.
Coworkers must be jealous (or laughing at your misfortune)
There are some decent places in and around the Lansing area, but the pickings are slim.
by The JuggerNitt on May 10, 2011 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
When I am on these trips
They have me booked all day and for all meals. There is no fun.
Big night in Altoona tonight! Tomorrow to Waterloo NY.
Next week is good, Fort Collins, CO. I get to do a week in Cheyenne in June and am looking forward to that. Once I hit Wyoming, Alaska and South Dakota will be the only states I have not visited. I have not had quality time in all, but I have been to them.
to be honest, I really like Michigan in the summer.
It doesn’t get too hot, nor too humid, and there are beaches and lakes and forests and parks all over the place. Also, not too many people. Still, Lansing isn’t all that great.
by The JuggerNitt on May 10, 2011 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions
oh, and although your day is all booked
if you feel like getting a drink at all, let me know, but just a heads up, I’m not looking to get married ;-) (besides, I don’t think the gf would approve of my marrying someone else)
by The JuggerNitt on May 10, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
...it was my understanding
that there would BE no math…or physics.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on May 9, 2011 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm sad I missed this discussion
I was actually doing some RANS calculations. I wished I had come up with this type of brilliant answer- it certainly would make this problem someone elses.
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by psuphysicist on May 9, 2011 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't let that go
You’re only correct if the elephant is massless… quite an assumption.
by catastrophreak on May 10, 2011 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
My only assumption is the frictionless plane, and taking into account conservation of momentum
by The JuggerNitt on May 10, 2011 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
(well, and also either being in a vacuum, or no air drag...and also that the spring is ideal and doesn't lose energy to heat with the compression of the material, etc.)
by The JuggerNitt on May 10, 2011 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Elasticity
I’m sure I’m probably screwing this up but, wouldn’t the elasticity of the collision between the 3kg object and elephant, the elephant and the spring, and then the return/reverse collisions be the biggest factors (considering it’s a frictionless surface and you canceled out drag)?
I’m thinking of Newton’s pendulum type stuff…but I’m probably wrong.
/uber-geeked
I'll submit and agree with you if
that list of assumptions also includes the collision between mass and elephant being perfectly elastic (in addition to that with the spring as you stated)… can’t believe I didn’t consider a perfectly elastic elephant.
by catastrophreak on May 10, 2011 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
The lesson I learned is that
all of these assumptions (massless or perfectly elastic elephant on a frictionless surface in a vacuum) make more sense than having to continue payments on a car that cost $0.
by catastrophreak on May 11, 2011 5:41 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol, yes
that would be one of the assumptions. Basically, I’m assuming everything is perfect to the point that there’s perpetual motion. Screw thermodynamics.
by The JuggerNitt on May 11, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Now I know why they didn't fire Tressel, he held this trump card
If I was him, I’d quit now and throw them under the bus and back it up a few times
Hire Mike Pettine Jr!!!!!!!!
I think the Pryor car loans are self-proving improper benefits
From what I’ve gathered from various sources, Pryor was ticketed 3 times driving cars owned by Kniffin during the past 3 years. Twice he was in “loaner” cars while the one he owned was being serviced. Once was a “test drive” in which he was given the car for several days to drive from Ohio to PA. Now, I’m aware of the statistics about young black men being pulled over, but even with that in mind, it’s pretty safe to say that if he was pulled over 3 times in Kniffin’s cars, he drove Kniffin’s cars a whole lot more than 3 times. That being said, there’s still hard evidence of only 3 loans, but that should be more than enough to prove that Pryor would be given improper benefits.
Now, these loans would constitute improper benefits if they weren’t available to other students. I don’t know if you remember being a college student, but when I had my car serviced during college, If I’d asked for a loaner car, I would have been pointed in the general direction of the nearest bus stop. When I asked to take a car on a test drive, I was allowed to drive it around the block one time with the salesman in the passenger seat giving me the hard sell. I’m pretty sure that’s how all car dealerships deal with all college students—after all, you can’t even rent a beat-up old car until you’re 25 without paying through the nose for crazy insurance policies.
So, unless there’s evidence that Kniffin gives all of his customers and potential customers this kind of premium treatment—making him the most awesome and most insane car dealer in history—it seems pretty clear that Pryor was getting benefits that weren’t available to the general public.
by newenglandnittanylion on May 9, 2011 3:08 PM EDT reply actions
He must be crazy
WITH HOW LOW HIS PRICES ARE!!
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by skarocksoi on May 9, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
YES
I can see the VHS-quality local TV ads now—with the tat-5 all starring as newly-hired salesmen after graduation.
by newenglandnittanylion on May 9, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I know
I’ve already started to play it out in my head. I really wish I had a video camera sometimes.
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That's probably what will happen to TP once he flames out in the NFL
after he throws a hissy fit when they try to make him a WR and quits.
And then ticket him for illegally tinted windows?
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on May 9, 2011 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
This is way worse than a Hub beatdown.
From this day on I shall respect Rex. I shall never misuse Rex Kwon Do. I shall be a champion of Freedom and Justice.
is what the kids did worse? No.
Is what the administration did worse? Yes.
by The JuggerNitt on May 9, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I was looking at it from the overall program level
From this day on I shall respect Rex. I shall never misuse Rex Kwon Do. I shall be a champion of Freedom and Justice.
by psu on May 9, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Right
The kind of violence that took place a few years ago at PSU is at least as reprehensible as the kids at OSU abusing their status to obtain improper benefits. The kids in both cases deserve stiff discipline.
Of course, what makes the OSU situation worse is the fact that the NCAA places a duty on the university administration to prevent, monitor, and report exactly the kind of misconduct that’s been going on there, or else face significant pre-defined penalties, and OSU failed in performing these duties. If what Kniffin says is true—that the compliance department was directing players and their families to him, and that they were reviewing all relevant sales documents, a Lack of Institutional Control charge seems to be a foregone conclusion. Even if Kniffin is overstating OSU’s misconduct, the administration is clearly doing something seriously wrong. That’s what makes this situation worse than the string of arrests at PSU in 06-08.
by newenglandnittanylion on May 9, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously
is jt going to ‘step down’ or take the firing prior (intend the pun if you’d like) to the NCAA Aug meeting?
I mean really, would the university (aka conglomerate) actually wait to fire him after the meeting? How would that read to the mass media? If this hand was actually played-out – I think it would be much worse on all things tO$U…
" When you cross that Blue Line, you are mine...Across the Blue Line, it's all football. " " And what you need to do in your life is paint Blue Lines everywhere. " - Joe Paterno 2009
I'm actually excited to see how much bravado the admins and Tressel have in this situation
Will they go into the meeting with their heads held high, or concede the cover-up and gross, gross, gross lack of institutional control? We already knew that OSU was planning on appealing the 5 game suspension of the Tat 5, will they back down from that in the light of all this incriminating evidence?
This feels like some Saturday morning cartoon cliffhanger: “Tune in next week for the exciting conclusion!” The best part was that a lot of those cliffhangers didn’t always resolve, the plot kept thickening (sound familiar?).
How do they not double down?
Ladies and gentlemen, I’ll be brief. The issue here is not whether we broke a few rules, or took a few liberties with our local merchants—we did. [winks at Dean Gee] But you can’t hold a whole athletic department responsible for the behavior of a few, sick twisted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn’t we blame The whole Ohio State University system? And if The whole Ohio State University system is guilty, then isn’t this an indictment of our educational institutions in general? I put it to you, Mark: isn’t this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but I for one am not going to stand here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentlemen!
by Aaron PSU on May 9, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
You're not walking out on this mister!
I'm your late night evening prostitute
by Frank O'Brien on May 9, 2011 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
You're not walking out on this one, mister!
by MainLion on May 9, 2011 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
No recs for this yet? Seriously?
This is absolutely beautiful. Make it green, people.
by newenglandnittanylion on May 9, 2011 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
With these current allegations, I think JT and OSU are in the same boat
The charges against one don’t have much bearing on the charges against the other: the OSU administration looks to come out unscathed by tat-gate no matter what, and Tressel doesn’t seem to be implicated at all in the car scandal. Tressel could pull a Pete Carrol if OSU gets hit with serious sanctions over the car scandal, and of course, OSU could try to save face by cutting ties with Tressel if the tat-gate charges hold up. But, with both parties in trouble, I’m willing to bet they stick together and hope for the best. Once the NCAA decides on sanctions, all bets are off though.
by newenglandnittanylion on May 9, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
a lot of this is coming to light now under Tressel's watch
but there has been a culture of this kinda stuff for years back to the Cooper era…maybe further, but I’m only familiar with mid-90’s and later
I have a cousin who graduated from Ohio State.
I’m actually looking forward to the family reunion this year.
Dude, I would not be able to keep the smirk off of my face
I’d be laughing hysterically and uncontrollably the whole time every time I looked at him, especially if he was obnoxious in the past about being a Buckeye.
As the only Adam on this site (as far as I know)
who doesn’t regularly do frontpage stuff, I would just like to apologize to Fugi and Adam Collyer and say that I will try to step up my game in the snarky comments department.
John has a long moustache
Fugimaster24 is the better Adam.
that
or you should make it your quest to get pictures with as many smiling football players as possible.
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I thought about doing that
but I no longer live at PSU. I guess I could visit, but it’s hard to track them down. Maybe I should just pay some OSU players to take some pictures with me… I hear they’re into that sort of thing.
John has a long moustache
Fugimaster24 is the better Adam.
by AdamShell on May 9, 2011 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I wouldnt give you this task if it were easy
to be the best Adam, you must prove yourself the best. Now go forth and complete your quest!
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I'm in a quandry...
I don’t know who to believe – A used car salesman or the OSU Chief of Compliance.
I’ll leave the fat pitch right over the plate for whomever’s willing.
Unsupervised children will be given a case of 4loco and a basket of kittens
by rahpsu92 on May 9, 2011 3:51 PM EDT reply actions 27 recs
Hah!
Not even Hercules could have solved that task.
Ann Arbor behaves slatternly.
Lending Credence to Mike's Joke above
A writer from the Columbus Dispatch summarizes the reactions that pervade the O$U fan base. The main example used pertains to readers criticizing Kirk Herbstreit for “not shutting up” (paraphrasing, here). I have nothing but great(er) respect for Herbstreit and what he is doing. He recognizes that someone has to speak out against the current AD heads at tO$U. He wants to help resolve the problems at his alma matter and knows that one way to do this is to be honest about what has happened. I don’t believe it has as much to do with “unbaised reporting” as it does with Kirk not being skewed by the Scarlet and Grey colored glasses that permeate C-bus.
I suggest you read this article.
It’s quite good, but it’s by Ramzy and openly challenges the reader, so you may not like it. If you won’t read it, I’ll summarize below the link.
http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2011/05/concrete-blonde
Because he wears his fandom on his sleeve, Herbstreit has always struggled with being an OSU fan and an analyst. If he praises OSU, he’s loyal but not objective. If he criticizes OSU, he’s objective but not loyal. That’s how a certain dumb percentage sees it, within and without the OSU fandom, and more importantly that’s how he perceives all criticism of him. However, this view is divorced from whether his analysis is actually good or not, and non-dumb OSU fans are fed up with the shallowness of his analysis of this situation and others, and of his emotional immaturity. That’s why lots of us have turned against him, not because he’s had negative things to say.
Ann Arbor behaves slatternly.
So if Herbstreit acted like Mark May when on TV OSU fans would still like him
You are lost. A guy comes across as articulate, intelligent and non partison and he becomes the bad guy. OSU fans should be proud that they have a face on national TV that isn’t a homer blowhard like May, Trev Alberts, that idiot michigan receiver. Herbsteit has NEVER gone after OSU, ever. He only reports what there is to report. If he is disgusted with the goings on at OSU, then why the hell are OSU fans not disgusted too. Its his alma mater and he cares what it represents and right now it does not represent what he feels is right.
My grammer skills need improved.
The more Herbie becomes like Mark May the less I like him.
And you are mistaken about Herbstreit never going after Ohio State. During the 8-4 season, after Purdue 2009, all the stupid back and forth with Pryor, his post-season vote (he unapologetically dropped Ohio State three spots after the Sugar Bowl), blaming “5-10%” of OSU fans for harassing him into leaving Columbus and again when he shut down his Twitter account. In each of the first four cases he went beyond criticism and attacked the program, and in the last two cases he took no personal accountability. Mark May is a tool, but he isn’t talking out both sides of his mouth like Herbstreit, and as far as I know he hasn’t showed the emotional immaturity Herbstreit has. I promise you that it is not merely because Herbstreit is saying mean things that OSU fans are tired of him.
I will reverse one of your statements: Has Herbstreit ever gone up on the soapbox against another program, ever? He didn’t do so for USC or Auburn or oversigning or anything else in college football, save for Ohio State.
Ann Arbor behaves slatternly.
Herbstreit started bashing OSU after getting to meet a certain QB
and seeing his attitude in practice and games. And seeing how Tressle has coddled him. I saw the change in him and saw when it happened. He sees what is now representing OSU and he doesn’t like it. You seem to like the entire TP saga, from his idiot media statements to the most recent, not suprising, shady engagements. If that is what you want representing the school you went to, then oh well, I can’t change that. Hey, you beat Michigan 9 of 10 or whatever so all is well no mater if the king wears no clothes.
My grammer skills need improved.
I hope this story keeps us diverted throughout the offseason.
Last year it was Big Ten expansion. This year, this.
Go Lions !! if
by Illegal Formation on May 9, 2011 4:20 PM EDT reply actions
Will Jim Tressel fire Gordon Gee?
by ICEICETHATGUY13 on May 9, 2011 4:29 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
If Gee, Smith and jt
were all ‘removed’ then, and most possibly only then would the general public look at these issues as handled…
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by BlueWhiteLife on May 9, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
My bet, as it has been for a while
NCAA can’t pin down OSU with fact, car dealers get in trouble and JT is fired to make it look good.
The only way OSU gets hit is if they can prove they knew this happened. It’s Cam Newton 101
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No....
The NCAA isn’t going to nail Auburn for Cam Newton…soon. They will, eventually. Ohio State has been cheating for more than a decade. This takes patience, all you have to do is wait. Eventually, Auburn will vacate last season, so will Ohio State. It’s just a matter of time, and you’re still young, so just look both ways before you cross the street and wait to be vindicated.
Our rival is Stanford.
And the pattern has generally been,
that the hammer comes down after the head coaches and other bad actors have already moved on. SMU (and probably earlier) through USC.
Go Lions !! if
by Illegal Formation on May 9, 2011 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
There already seems to be a whole lot of evidence on the car dealerships
The Pryor speeding tickets in loaners, the Gibson “$0” car, and Kniffin’s free tickets to big games come together to provide a pretty strong basis in fact. The fact that dozens of players and player family members bought from the same guy is circumstantial, but the reason behind why all these people went to the same dealer will eventually come out. Of course, this is the NCAA we’re talking about, so it’s very possible they’ll be incapable of putting it all together, but it looks like they’ll have more than enough evidence of wrongdoing.
by newenglandnittanylion on May 9, 2011 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
How to know a guy may have been involved with illegal dealings with your football team:
Ohio State BANNED him from being allowed to be invited to games by players. Even THEIR compliance department realized there might be a problem.
They didn’t do jack sh*t about it, but even their award winning compliance department knew something was up, lol. Now THAT’S saying something.
So much for that particular "secondary violation"...
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on May 9, 2011 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
The thing that strikes me about tatOSU's extraordinary compliance department is that they're like the attorneys employed by organized crime
Are they there to provide counsel on abiding by the law or circumvent it?
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by Frank O'Brien on May 9, 2011 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
What?
125 posts and no one dropped this in yet?
OF COURSE THEY AREN’T BUYING DISCOUNTED CARS, DONORS ARE JUST GIVING THEM CARS FOR FREE!
by Tailgate Shogun on May 9, 2011 6:16 PM EDT reply actions 6 recs
Sorry
Too busy enjoying the bad news out of Columbus to read the fan shots.
That, and this picture will never get old.
Everyone wears white suits, drives “borrowed” Corvettes.
by Tailgate Shogun on May 9, 2011 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
thanks for the proper cred!!
"They say in Happy Valley that if God wasn’t a Penn State fan, why is the sky blue and white?" Fortt said. "Who am I to argue with God?"
Ooooo, I'm getting excited for that bombshell to drop too!
It’s like a shadenfreude christmas!
by dawsonPSU10 on May 9, 2011 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah
People forget about the impending Sarniakocalyspe. Chock full o’ Improper benefits, recruiting violations, wearing white after Labor Day….
"It’s like a shadenfreude christmas!"
There’s has been much hilarity so far in this thread, but I think this is really the best comment so far. Good job.
"I don't want to injure anybody," James Harrison said. "But I'm not opposed to hurting anybody."
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
god what an incompetent post by me.
I’ll try to add something useful…
This doesn’t really fit in here but I thought in a division with a weakened O$U, Wisconsin is really the only serious challenge PSU faces on the road to the Big Ten Title Game. I don’t want to get ahead of myself but the idea is tantalizing.
"I don't want to injure anybody," James Harrison said. "But I'm not opposed to hurting anybody."
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
I have a wedding in Columbus next month
and I, for one, cannot wait! I don’t even think I am going to say anything. I am just going to sit there and smile. I may ask if anyone knows where I can get a good car deal. (For the record, I did buy my car in Columbus, I received a good deal, but not $0 good)
"They say in Happy Valley that if God wasn’t a Penn State fan, why is the sky blue and white?" Fortt said. "Who am I to argue with God?"
perhaps if you have a spare pair of gold pants
a deal can be made…
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by skarocksoi on May 9, 2011 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
OMG i need to find a pair of gold pants!!!!
time to go to Goodwill
"They say in Happy Valley that if God wasn’t a Penn State fan, why is the sky blue and white?" Fortt said. "Who am I to argue with God?"
I will scour the internets for you
if you promise to wear them and post a photo. With the bride. You can cover your face for privacy, but this must happen.
by letsgopsu on May 10, 2011 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I second this
Actually she should e-mail Khairi Fortt or Mike Wallace and see if you can borrow their MC Hammer golden parachute pants from the THON talent show, lol
by dawsonPSU10 on May 10, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I bought my car in Columbus, too.
Also got a good deal, which is why I traveled from W. Pa to buy it. But I didn’t get the $0 special either!
Once in a former life.....
I was thrown out of a whorehouse in Amsterdam by their Compliance committee for a house violation….I claimed that “everybody does it.” And you know what, I still had to pay. Against the wall and assume the position, tO$U, pull out your wallet and btw, we only accept cash.
"The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me God." The Government is like the Mob, you can check out, but never leave.
by DerryPharmer on May 10, 2011 12:19 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
+1
“I don’t always care what insiders say, but when I do, I listen to Derry.”
Take a shower, shine your shoes...
by Adam Collyer on May 10, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Hope you didn't
mistake bush for grass and try to smoke it.
Unsupervised children will be given a case of 4loco and a basket of kittens
Block O Nation buy is totally delusional
ESPN is out to them! They are on a campaign to bring tO$U down!
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on May 10, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for keeping up the meme pet badger
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