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This is how Jamie Dixon would react to Ed Hightower at the BJC.  (Photo by Chris McGrath/Getty Images)

On Monday, new Penn State basketball coach Pat Chambers was introduced to the Pitt-Penn State rivalry of words rather quickly when he was asked about the prospects of the Nittany Lions and Panthers hooking up on the court some time in the near future. The teams haven't played since 2005 when Pitt destroyed Penn State 91-54 in Oakland at the Petersen Events Center. Chambers was almost shockingly forward in his answer as the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette's Ron Musselman reports.

"I like [Pitt coach] Jamie Dixon," Chambers said Monday after his introductory news conference at the Bryce Jordan Center. "He's a friend. I would definitely be open to playing Pitt."

...

"I would like a rivalry," Chambers said. "I think [Pitt] would be great. I think Pennsylvania would come out and watch that game.

"Am I trying to schedule that game next year? Probably not. But in the future? Yes."

Since Musselman's piece ran Tuesday, there's been reaction to the comments both here in the fanposts and over at the excellent SBN Pitt blog Cardiac Hill. We at BSD decided not to touch the comments for the first couple of days, choosing instead to focus on the business of Penn State basketball rather than what's barely a rivalry in hoops, but now that things have slowed down a little here at the end of the week, hey, let's have some fun with the topic.

Star-divide

Cardiac Hill likes the idea of playing Penn State...with strings attached.

I've been all over Penn State in the past for not coming flat out and saying they wanted to play Pitt, so I'm glad to hear this and I give him all sorts of credit. Now, it's up to Jamie Dixon and Pitt to get it done.

Again, I don't consider this a big-time rivalry because it's not. I'd rather play Duquesne than Penn State in basketball any day of the week because I think the City Game, after taking a while off, is really starting to take off again. But with so many games against teams like Illinois-Chicago and North Florida, there's no reason this game can't happen...

If Penn State will settle for a two-for-one.

Had to throw that in there.

If a two-for-one is a non-starter for Pitt in football, it should be one for Penn State in basketball. Period. Yes, Pitt dominated Penn State in the final years of the hardwood series, but times have changed. Penn State, while still not remotely as healthy a program as Pitt, is no longer abysmal at basketball. It's broken into the promised land of "mediocre" and possibly even "respectable" with an NIT Championship in 2009 and Big Ten Tournament championship game and NCAA Tournament appearances in 2011.

If Penn State were to give Pitt, a good but not particularly great program, a two-for-one deal, it'd have no leverage with any other solid high majors that might be willing to schedule the Lions home-and-home. For an athletic department that has a hard enough time drawing big names to the Bryce Jordan Center to begin with, a two-for-one deal with Pitt is just bad business.

There might be some other interesting ways to get the two teams together in basketball, though.

One might be a 1-1-1 agreement with one game at the BJC, one at the Pete and one at the brand new Consol Energy Center in downtown Pittsburgh. Each school would get a home game and could split the revenue from the third game at the neutral court down the middle. The CEC is so big in seats and especially luxury suites (!!!) that both schools would probably pull in enough revenue to eclipse what they'd make in home games against mid-majors, assuming a nice crowd shows up.

Another idea might be setting up a tournament at the CEC between Pitt, Penn State, Duquesne and Robert Morris. The Panthers and Dukes could be matched at one end of the bracket to preserve the City Game, and the Lions and Colonials could match up in the other to give Penn State a potential resume builder against what has been the class of the NEC over the last few years. Do this over the holidays when students are off campus and ticket sales are slow at the respective schools and an agreement could easily be reached that helps everyone involved come out ahead financially.

I can't say any of these methods are locks to work out, but the good news is that unlike in football where the schools have been fighting over two-for-one vs. home-and-home for more than a decade, there are multiple ways to set up a matchup in basketball. Let's hope one works out, as Penn State basketball could really use the exposure and RPI boost of matching up with a school like Pitt every year.

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I never, ever, want to reload BSD and see a massive picture of Jamie Dixon’s smiling mug ever again.

is there anyway i can redeem myself, i was not sure if i should say "we" at that moment
by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

by ckmneon on Jun 10, 2011 10:09 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I realize it's Jamie Dixon's smiling mug

and it sucks

is there anyway i can redeem myself, i was not sure if i should say "we" at that moment
by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

by ckmneon on Jun 10, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

He's like some horrible human chipmunk.

"Colonel, I do not care to die, but I pray to God I may never leave this field."

by ReadingRambler on Jun 10, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

separated at birth?

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by Brett Brown on Jun 10, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes.

"Colonel, I do not care to die, but I pray to God I may never leave this field."

by ReadingRambler on Jun 10, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Try Doylestown's own, Tim Stack


aka Parker Lewis’s Dad, Dick Dietrick on “Night Stand,” Notch Johnson on “Son of the Beach,” or himself on “My Name is Earl.”

by Aaron PSU on Jun 10, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like the tournament idea

I’d like it even better if it were two games where the winners play the winners, and the losers play the losers on the second day.

Even 1-1-1 thing would be fine with me.

Our rival is Stanford.

by jesse. on Jun 10, 2011 10:15 AM EDT reply actions  

Wouldn't it have to work out like that?

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by Adam Bittner on Jun 10, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

I need to wash my hands

I feel like I have Dapper Dan hair gel all over me just from seeing this.

I just don't want to die without a few scars. ~Chuck Palahniuk, Fight Club, Chapter 6

by LB31Monster on Jun 10, 2011 10:36 AM EDT reply actions  

Aren't the home-away economics fundamentally different in hoops than football?

I feel like we occasionally will play one-game series away with no home contest in hoops, right? Aren’t we doing that against some big name next year? I remember we did it against Kentucky in the early oughts.

Maybe I’m wrong about this, but I just feel like it’s not quite the same deal to do 2-1 in hoops as it is in football. Certainly, there’s a lot less cash involved. Not that I’m advocating for Chambers et al to accept a 2-1. But if they did accept a 4-3 or something, I wouldn’t have a big problem. Doubt they’d need to do that, though.

gone but not forgotten

by chicken cosmo on Jun 10, 2011 10:53 AM EDT reply actions  

God bless DeChellis.

Let us compare basketball levels to food. Thanks to Ed, we’ve moved from the level of a bread sandwich (A piece of stale bread between two pieces of slightly stale bread) to the level of one of those mediocre little burgers at Sheetz.

Maybe one day, someday we’ll move to the level of a bag of Middleswarth regular chips or Utz regular chips. And, dare we dream, maybe we’ll someday reach the fabled level of a bag of Grandma Utz.

"Colonel, I do not care to die, but I pray to God I may never leave this field."

by ReadingRambler on Jun 10, 2011 11:22 AM EDT reply actions  

Who is this, Jim Boeheim?

'Trivializing the "GREATEST RIVALRY OF ALL TIME" for a bunch of ghetto tats must have made them pee in their man-diapers.' Mr. Rosewater

by rahpsu92 on Jun 10, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know.

"Colonel, I do not care to die, but I pray to God I may never leave this field."

by ReadingRambler on Jun 10, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't understand

why people get mad at Pitt for not scheduling a 2 for 1 in football, but think PSU should turn it down in basketball. I would say our football team is on par nationally with Pitt’s basketball team. Pitt’s football team is on par with our basketball team as well. Plain and simple, PSU needs to do whatever it takes to build the basketball team. If that means scheduling a 2-for-1 with Pitt in basketball, then I say go for it. Plus, maybe we could negotiate an unbalanced basketball schedule that favors Pitt in exchange for an unbalanced football schedule that helps PSU.

by Offside Clyde on Jun 10, 2011 12:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Why don’t you think a game at the BJC wouldn’t sell out if a “normally good” Pitt team came in? I don’t see any Pitt team in the past few years or the coming 2-3 that wouldn’t generate a lot of interest in SC, both from the students and the townfolk.

We don’t need to worry about filling the Pete. It’s pretty much sold out with season tix anyway, isn’t it?

Don't argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with his eperience.

by PaJoe on Jun 10, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Football is bigger revenue for sure.

But, a Pitt basketball game at the BJC would bring in more people than normal. More people=more revenue. This will never be on par with a 110,000 seat football stadium due to the basic formula I just laid out. But, if PSU wants to be taken seriously in basketball, it will need to play serious opponents. This helps with the national perception of the program and will help recruiting as well. Win or lose, it will be better than losing to Maine in the non-conference schedule.

by Offside Clyde on Jun 10, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure, but playing Pitt 2-1 isn’t really more worthwhile than playing Va Tech or Temple 1-1 (to speak of deals we have recently done). There are tons of decent basketball programs out there that would be a benefit to play and it’s certainly possible to find ones that would do 1-1 deals with PSU.

by Laaaaazzz on Jun 10, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good point

But you can’t just play 1 decent team in your non-conference schedule. I’m not saying to set up a murderer’s row or anything, but if you want respect, you have to earn it. That starts by consistently playing better teams. The next step is to beat those better teams.

by Offside Clyde on Jun 10, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Conceptually, I think it is fine for PSU to schedule an unbalanced series if it makes sense for them. But I don’t think scheduled Pitt 2-1 would make financial sense for PSU — Pitt doesn’t have enough penache to sell out a game at the BJC and it’s not like they’d drive season ticket sales for hoops. In the right situation, I wouldn’t have a problem with PSU doing a 2-1 in hoops: I’d do it with Duke, for example.

In football, Pitt would derive value from a 2-1 with PSU. for starters, they’d sell out the home football game and that’s a ton more revenue than a home basketball game. And that home game would help drive season ticket sales for that season for Pitt. Furthermore, PSU in football is a bigger name than Pitt is comparatively in basketball so playing and defeating PSU gets Pitt more cred than PSU beating Pitt (Pitt has been excellent in hoops in recent years, but isn’t a “name” program due to their lack of tournament success).

by Laaaaazzz on Jun 10, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Scheduling b-ball

in theory, should have nothing to do with what goes on in football. One would think that it would be a simple matter for PSU and Pitt to play regularly, since there’s plenty of open dates in December and there aren’t the money issues that allegedly exist with football.

The tournament idea with Duquesne at Robert Morris is interesting, I think that would be pretty cool. I’d definately attend that if it happened.

Joe Paterno Apologist

by Joe 96alum on Jun 10, 2011 12:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Wait and see.

That’s all we can do at this point. There is a lot of excitement surrounding PSU basketball, but I’m not getting my hopes up. I hate to sound like a pessimist, but the best indicator of future behavior is past behavior — and PSU has never fully supported the basketball program in the past. If PSU becomes a respectable middle-of-the-road program in the Big Ten, I would actually be very happy.

by rodney20 on Jun 10, 2011 12:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Dog bites man = no news. Man bites dog = news.

Pitt to play PSU in football = news. PSU to play Pitt in basketball = no news.

So let’s deal with something more interesting, like these comments I just happened upon:

Gary M
in June 10th, 2011 @ 11:22
What a crock of Penn State Kool-Aid.
Tell me Parker, IF Joe ‘deals with it in house’, then:
How do you know it’s more severe than what the NCAA would do?
Penn State was on the list of major colleges with high police incidents, the same one Pitt topped. Same one that helped to get Wanny fired.
Penn State’s strength of schedule has been at issue for years. Joe beefs up the schedule and gets a nice bowl game and payout. They usually get embarrassed and out classed in the bowl games, but hey, he gets them there on a soft schedule and bowl game alliances with the Big Ten.
Penn State hasn’t been in a relevant National Title conversation in decades.
Mass at the church of St. Joe Pa is held several Saturday’s during the Fall, glad to see your a regular member.

Niblick
in June 10th, 2011 @ 10:15
Sorry John but I am not sure that Paterno is the coach that you think he is. There is a reason that people think he is senile or delusional. Do you ever listen to him in an interview? He was a very good coach, no doubt about it. But, I believe that he hasn’t really coached or even recruited or even attended practice in the last 5 years. Grapevine rumors only, but I have been hearing and reading that the PSU administration has been wanting him out of there. They just don’t have a good way of doing it.

I am waiting for that Woody Hayes moment on the field. Mark my words, it is coming.

http://justwatchthegame.com/blog/joe-paterno-looking-good

by J Breezy on Jun 10, 2011 1:03 PM EDT reply actions  

A 2 for 1 might make sense

If their stadium was 2x as big as ours. As it stands, the BJC is bigger than Peterson Sports…..

I AM PHIL DAVISON AND I WILL NOT APOLOGIZE FOR MY TONE TONIGHT

by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Jun 10, 2011 1:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Yea

You have more seats. We have more people filling said seats.

by oaklandzoo12 on Jun 10, 2011 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Western Pennsylvania Champion Tournament, Division I Basketball:

Duquesne
Robert Morris
Pittsburgh
St. Francis
Penn State
Bucknell

If you want an even eight teams, invite Lafayette and Lehigh.
(Then have the champion challenge the winner of the Big 5 to the Keystone Cup.)

by Aaron PSU on Jun 10, 2011 3:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Pitt and Nova...

already play yearly to decide who has PA’s best basketball program.

I am epic win.

by Esteban d' Amur on Jun 10, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

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