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What wins Big Ten football Games? pt 1: Homefield Advantage

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So I was thinking about the 2010 Michigan State game for some reason.  In that game, Penn State had over 60 more yards, fewer turnovers, more points off turnovers, and was playing at home.  PSU had more scores (4, 3 TD and 1 FG) than MSU had red zone trips (3).  Both PSU and MSU had 3 red zone trips.  PSU trailed by double digits most of the game and lost. 

Sure, there were a couple questionable spots that resulted in MSU first downs (MSU also only had 1 more first down, 21-20), and yes, I do believe that if PSU recovers the onside kick at the end of the game that PSU wins.  This fails to explain the fact that MSU was up by double digits most of the game.  This fails to explain the fact that PSU needed late-game heroics by McGloin (yes, it happened) and Moye just to make it interesting.

It got me thinking: what wins Big Ten football games?

Star-divide

This is the first in what I hope will be a several part series examining the relevant factors (be they stats in the game or external factors such as homefield, Senior starters, who won last year, etc) in winning Big Ten games.  Today we look at homefield advantage.

Stats are taken from the last 4 seasons, and only "true" home games are considered (PSU beating Indiana in DC...not so much).  The number for the Big Ten in general is first, the number for PSU specifically is in parenthesis:

Win% of home team: 55.5% (68.75%)

Avg. MOV when home team wins: 16.23 (19.45)
Avg. MOV when home team loses: 13.33 (14.48)
Homefield advantage is worth: 2.95 points

The following is the ranking of homefield advantage of each Big Ten team in terms of win% at home minus win% overall in Big Ten games:

1. Wisconsin: +18.75% at home

2. Iowa / Purdue: +9.375%

4. Indiana: +7.92%

5. Michigan State: +6.25%

6. Penn State / Illinois: +3.125%

8. Minnesota / Ohio State / Michigan: +0% at home

11. Northwestern: -3.33% at home

 

Conclusions:

--Homefield advantage is for real.  It gives the home team a more than 5% boost in its chances to win.  It also gives the home team about a FG advantage over playing at a neutral field.

--It's not the size, it's how you use it that counts.  Penn State, Ohio State, and Michigan are all below average homefield advantages, at least in terms of win%.  Did you see that coming? I did not.

--Northwestern really is actually better on the road.

--Camp Randall should have a sign above the visitors' locker room that says "ABANDON HOPE ALL YE WHO ENTER HERE."  Twice the homefield advantage of the 2nd best homefield advantage in the league.

--When PSU wins at home, PSU wins bigger than most Big Ten teams.  When PSU loses at home, PSU doesn't keep it as close as other Big Ten teams.  Odd.  Close games just don't happen at Beaver Stadium.

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When PSU loses at home, PSU doesn’t keep it as close as other Big Ten teams. Odd.

With both of you.

All sorts of directions we can go with that one, about our fanbase….

jtothetweet
"He didn't know we were real," said Sister Cecilia Sartorius of the Little Sisters of the Poor.

by jtothep on Jun 26, 2011 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

is there anyway i can redeem myself, i was not sure if i should say "we" at that moment
by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

by ckmneon on Jun 26, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

BHGP WAS RIGHT OMG!
Northwestern really is actually better on the road.

I'm the only Heck my Mama ever raised.

by ReadingRambler on Jun 26, 2011 3:09 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Ohio State 2005

was a pretty close game….just sayin.

by wxguy519 on Jun 26, 2011 8:44 PM EDT reply actions  

That's one game.

Now give me 7 more to back that claim up.

by misdreavus79 on Jun 26, 2011 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was referencing this statement:

“Close games just don’t happen at Beaver Stadium.”

One game disproves that conclusion; where are you getting the idea I need 7 more to do so?

by wxguy519 on Jun 26, 2011 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

One game doesn't disprove anything.

It could be an outlier.

Now, bring seven games, and you have a trend.

by misdreavus79 on Jun 26, 2011 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've brought you fourteen.

And there are more.

I'm the only Heck my Mama ever raised.

by ReadingRambler on Jun 26, 2011 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

My point wasn't that there weren't any

But that you can’t just name one game to disprove a claim.

by misdreavus79 on Jun 26, 2011 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

You got schooled, son!

jtothetweet
"He didn't know we were real," said Sister Cecilia Sartorius of the Little Sisters of the Poor.

by jtothep on Jun 26, 2011 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

My point wasn't that there weren't any

But that you can’t just name one game to disprove a claim

I can repeat this if you’d like. Seven times.

by misdreavus79 on Jun 26, 2011 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Except you can. He did.

This is a pretty definitive statement:

Close games just don’t happen at Beaver Stadium.

I think ck was really only using hyperbole without thinking about it, but that doesn’t change the fact that citing one game, played recently, does disprove the statement.

That there have been probably something like 20 close games played in the Big Ten era in Beaver Stadium is just an added bonus of sorts.

I'm the only Heck my Mama ever raised.

by ReadingRambler on Jun 26, 2011 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

In Statistics

Which, if I understand what I’m reading correctly, is what ck used to come up with these conclusions, one event that deviates form the trend is just that, one event. In order to counter argue that claim, you must see a trend (a.k.a more than one game) that supports your counter argument.

You provided those games, but the fact remains that he can’t just one ONE game to say the opposite is true.

Should ck have made such a sweeping statement? Probably not, but on that same token, one event is still just one event.

by misdreavus79 on Jun 26, 2011 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ahh, clarity!

Why thank you for that extra splanation!

Most would have been so lost without it.

jtothetweet
"He didn't know we were real," said Sister Cecilia Sartorius of the Little Sisters of the Poor.

by jtothep on Jun 26, 2011 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dude, why are you being so rude?

All I said is that the guy needed to provide more proof!

Wow…

by misdreavus79 on Jun 26, 2011 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

No. The dignity and usage of the English language is not subordinate to statistics.

Close games just don’t happen at Beaver Stadium means they don’t happen. It was a mistake on his part, and no talk about statistics changes it. One game does prove it wrong. The end.

I'm the only Heck my Mama ever raised.

by ReadingRambler on Jun 26, 2011 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's got to me the mood I'm in tonight

But this sentence is New Sig worthy.

jtothetweet
'The dignity and usage of the English language is not subordinate to statistics.'--717's own, ReadingRambler

by jtothep on Jun 26, 2011 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

You're right

It was hyperbole. Not meant to be taken legalistically.

But just to demonstrate that the point still holds (using numbers from 2007-2010):

The two closest PSU Big Ten home games were a 7 point win (Purdue, 2007, a game in which PSU had 7 more first downs, 138 more yards, and the same number of turnovers) and a 6 point loss (Michigan State, 2010, a game in which MSU was up by double digits for most of the game). No other games were within single digits.

Every other Big Ten team
had at least 3 home games decided by 7 points or less. Every other Big Ten team either (a) had a game go to OT or (b) had multiple games decided by 4 points or less.

If you want it literally put: Close intraleague Big Ten games don’t happen at Beaver Stadium nearly as often as they do at other Big Ten venues.

is there anyway i can redeem myself, i was not sure if i should say "we" at that moment
by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

by ckmneon on Jun 26, 2011 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like your last paragraph best.

I admit I like to be strict with the language, but, man, hyperbole and poor English causes confusion and how the crap are we supposed to do freaking anything if we’re all confused and standing around like a bunch of brutus fans after Tressel resigned?

I'm the only Heck my Mama ever raised.

by ReadingRambler on Jun 26, 2011 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: how the crap are we supposed to do freaking anything if we’re all confused

Well, with linguistic overreactions and debate-style ridicule of course.

jtothetweet
'The dignity and usage of the English language is not subordinate to statistics.'--717's own, ReadingRambler

by jtothep on Jun 26, 2011 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I admitted in the post that the only numbers I was concerned with were 2007-2010

and in that span, only 2 games were within single digits. As I said above, even they weren’t really as close as the score would indicate.

Context, man. And we’re smarter than OSU fans.

is there anyway i can redeem myself, i was not sure if i should say "we" at that moment
by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

by ckmneon on Jun 26, 2011 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

4 Years

is just not a large enough sample to establish a trend here.

by nits4ever on Jun 27, 2011 7:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Looking at the 07 Purdue game is maddening

Purdue didn’t have a single offensive TD and only had 1 TD at all (opening kickoff return), yet somehow had a second half lead (by all of 3 points for less than 3 min, after which PSU scored 13 straight), but still

is there anyway i can redeem myself, i was not sure if i should say "we" at that moment
by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

by ckmneon on Jun 27, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Your point (dull as it is) remains crystal clear

How would you say that same point of yours stands up now? Oh, wait, you already have said! You say it (the original point, however dull) stands on its own merit, but somehow (the weakness of the readers perhaps?) bears repeating.

Do you think your point (dull as it is) would gain any momentum if repeated seven times? Or, would we all be participating in a farcical charade of ourselves if were?

jtothetweet
"He didn't know we were real," said Sister Cecilia Sartorius of the Little Sisters of the Poor.

by jtothep on Jun 26, 2011 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

My point (valid as it remains, statistically speaking)

Was that the guy needed to provide more proof.

Rambler most likely misunderstood my point, provided the proof while he was at it, and then that was that.

I don’t understand why you’re so ‘adamant’ about me getting schooled when my original point wasn’t even that there wasn’t any proof, but rather that the proof needed to be provided, based on the assumption that the OP used statistical data to come up with the conclusion.

by misdreavus79 on Jun 26, 2011 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Your point, as far as points go, was a very, very small one

And yes, validity granted, way back to your 10:01 timestamp. But after that, you lost credence. Rambler spent some time—quite a bit it looks like—providing heaps of support to ck’s assertions. And, if I may borrow your technique of presuming whatever the hell is in Rambler’s mind (not something recommended by most Best Practice websites on Internet Behavior; your style presumed Rambler ‘may have misunderstood’), may have done so in defense of a small slip of linguistic play by ck in the OP. When I saw you reassert your original point at the 11:16 timestamp (long after Rambler’s successful defense of ck’s OP assertion, and contra to your small, but valid original point/request for info) is when I felt compelled to lay down the YOU GOT SCHOOLED.

Lastly, tho, I do not wish to ever be rude. It offends my own sensibilities, rudeness does. So please accept my apologies for quickfire appearance of such. I dig the debate thingy on the internet thingy and this thread caught me at a moment just so. I sincerely intended no offense to you or your right to assert points. However much fodder they provide for my own brand of whimsy or critique or general shit talk. I generally appreciate your appearances here and hope you won’t hold this too much against me.

jtothetweet
"He didn't know we were real," said Sister Cecilia Sartorius of the Little Sisters of the Poor.

by jtothep on Jun 26, 2011 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Accepted.

And for the record, I answered wx’s post before I read what Rambler posted, hence why I said the same thing twice.

And hence why my response reflected my point afterwards.

by misdreavus79 on Jun 26, 2011 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ahh, fair enough

For I believe you.

And let this be a lesson to you kids out there (I had the distinct pleasure of listening to Slick Rick with Wifey on Backspin this weekend): read your full thread before commenting! ;)

jtothetweet
'The dignity and usage of the English language is not subordinate to statistics.'--717's own, ReadingRambler

by jtothep on Jun 27, 2011 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Blame my slow reading

but sometimes I just can’t keep up.

by misdreavus79 on Jun 27, 2011 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Use the z key!

This is BSD, the crazy stirs itself.

by Paige2PSU on Jun 27, 2011 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just in the Big Ten era. PSU games decided by one score.

1) 1993: Michigan 21, PSU 13
2) 1995: Wisconsin 17, PSU 9
3) 1995: Cheatin’ Cheaters of Columbus 28, PSU 25. No way George wasn’t gettin’ paid.
4) 1996: Tim Dwight and the Iowa team he was carrying 21, PSU 20
5) 1999: Minnesota 24, PSU 23
6) 1999: Michigan 31, PSU 27
7) 2000: Iowa 26, PSU 23 (OT)

I'm the only Heck my Mama ever raised.

by ReadingRambler on Jun 26, 2011 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now wins only, starting from present, and only counting Big Ten games

It’s been nearly four years since a game at Beaver Stadium was decided by one score.

1) 2007: PSU 26, Purdue 19
2) 2006: PSU 17, MSU 13
3) 2005: PSU 17, OSU 10
4) 2001: PSU 29, OSU 27
5) 2000: PSU 22, Purdue 20
6) 1999: PSU 20, Pitt 17
7) 1999: PSU 31, OSU 27

I'm the only Heck my Mama ever raised.

by ReadingRambler on Jun 26, 2011 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was the '97 OSU game that was 31-27.

1999 was 23-10 or something like that.

He died as he lived: soiled and splayed.

by icavalera on Jun 27, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I meant to write '97.

The ’99 game was a mediocre game, aside from that one play where LaVar tried to kill Craig Bellisari – and nearly succeeded.

I'm the only Heck my Mama ever raised.

by ReadingRambler on Jun 27, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Iowa 2002

Wasn’t that 42-35 Iowa (OT)?

by wxguy519 on Jun 26, 2011 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah.

I'm the only Heck my Mama ever raised.

by ReadingRambler on Jun 26, 2011 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

hi!

jtothetweet
"He didn't know we were real," said Sister Cecilia Sartorius of the Little Sisters of the Poor.

by jtothep on Jun 26, 2011 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

come here often?

jtothetweet
"He didn't know we were real," said Sister Cecilia Sartorius of the Little Sisters of the Poor.

by jtothep on Jun 26, 2011 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

All the time, baby.

Wanna a piece of my Union Iron Brigade?

I'm the only Heck my Mama ever raised.

by ReadingRambler on Jun 26, 2011 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Show me yours I'll show you mine

jtothetweet
"He didn't know we were real," said Sister Cecilia Sartorius of the Little Sisters of the Poor.

by jtothep on Jun 26, 2011 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, letsgo!

I met bman fri night.

jtothetweet
"He didn't know we were real," said Sister Cecilia Sartorius of the Little Sisters of the Poor.

by jtothep on Jun 26, 2011 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

but I haven't met you yet

jtothetweet
"He didn't know we were real," said Sister Cecilia Sartorius of the Little Sisters of the Poor.

by jtothep on Jun 26, 2011 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

me too, but was holding that in the back pocket

in case things got weird.

jtothetweet
"He didn't know we were real," said Sister Cecilia Sartorius of the Little Sisters of the Poor.

by jtothep on Jun 26, 2011 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I did!

Tiny, tiny woman. They’ve been married long time. She’s caucasian, so ignore the lingo in the previous sentence.

jtothetweet
"He didn't know we were real," said Sister Cecilia Sartorius of the Little Sisters of the Poor.

by jtothep on Jun 26, 2011 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tiny but beautiful. And she drives me arond when I drink.

Great meeting you. Definitely come over to the Alabama tailgate for breakfast. We should be cooking around 9 am for that game.

My grammer skills need improved.

by BMAN13 on Jun 27, 2011 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

r u drunk

I'm the only Heck my Mama ever raised.

by ReadingRambler on Jun 26, 2011 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am not

I’m persnickety, however.

jtothetweet
"He didn't know we were real," said Sister Cecilia Sartorius of the Little Sisters of the Poor.

by jtothep on Jun 26, 2011 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mad Productivitiy today

Installed a shelf in the living room, fixed a mouse hole, pulled some ivy, blew some leaves.

jtothetweet
"He didn't know we were real," said Sister Cecilia Sartorius of the Little Sisters of the Poor.

by jtothep on Jun 26, 2011 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's nice.

I read more Civil War crap.

I'm the only Heck my Mama ever raised.

by ReadingRambler on Jun 26, 2011 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I stained my deck

Also, I have a lame turkey in my yard. I think it has a broken leg and the rest of the flock left it.

Rambler, what do I do? It is annoying me hopping me around out there.

PS, I am not allowed to shoot it

by letsgopsu on Jun 26, 2011 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

gradulations on the deck staining!

I need to do that myself. Redid my deck last summer, and never sealed it. Was yours much of a different color than the wood itself? How big, roughly, is your deck?

jtothetweet
"He didn't know we were real," said Sister Cecilia Sartorius of the Little Sisters of the Poor.

by jtothep on Jun 26, 2011 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

small, only 10 x 10

it was just the plain wood. I stained it two years ago and did not like it, so I used a solid stain.

We are boring.

by letsgopsu on Jun 26, 2011 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nonsense

And I"m with you. Mine’s not much bigger at 12×18, and I need to stain/seal it. I want it to look ‘natural’ color like wood.

What were your previous and current ‘colors?’

jtothetweet
"He didn't know we were real," said Sister Cecilia Sartorius of the Little Sisters of the Poor.

by jtothep on Jun 26, 2011 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you just want it to look like the wood, just get some water seal

I went from a natural brown transparent stain to a darker mahogany solid stain

and this is getting more boring.

I have to go pack.

by letsgopsu on Jun 26, 2011 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

sorry you feel that way

I was enthralled. Pack well!

jtothetweet
"He didn't know we were real," said Sister Cecilia Sartorius of the Little Sisters of the Poor.

by jtothep on Jun 26, 2011 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

jtothetweet
'The dignity and usage of the English language is not subordinate to statistics.'--717's own, ReadingRambler

by jtothep on Jun 27, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bar was too crowded to wrestle, too loud to. hard to hold a conversation.

plus I have an injured hand, though I would still go if I had to. I had just finished playing guitar and it was a tad sore.

My grammer skills need improved.

by BMAN13 on Jun 27, 2011 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

where in the u.s. of a. are you typing from?

jtothetweet
"He didn't know we were real," said Sister Cecilia Sartorius of the Little Sisters of the Poor.

by jtothep on Jun 26, 2011 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm home

going to Oregon tomorrow.

by letsgopsu on Jun 26, 2011 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Woot!

Eugene, man. Look up my dead head friends, man.

jtothetweet
"He didn't know we were real," said Sister Cecilia Sartorius of the Little Sisters of the Poor.

by jtothep on Jun 26, 2011 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hitting Corvallis, Eugene, Bend and some other place

by letsgopsu on Jun 26, 2011 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Man, lots of pot.

I'm the only Heck my Mama ever raised.

by ReadingRambler on Jun 26, 2011 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heh

You said pot. Or, as our boy Jacobi says: ‘hahahahahahahahaha WEEEEEEEEEED!’

jtothetweet
"He didn't know we were real," said Sister Cecilia Sartorius of the Little Sisters of the Poor.

by jtothep on Jun 26, 2011 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

last year I went to Arcata, CA where they grow more than any other place in the country. And everyone tells you about it. Constantly.

Most real estate transactions are done in cash

by letsgopsu on Jun 26, 2011 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't go!

Was just jesting!

jtothetweet
"He didn't know we were real," said Sister Cecilia Sartorius of the Little Sisters of the Poor.

by jtothep on Jun 26, 2011 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, o/t

Does anyone have any experience with CafePress? I’ve heard their quality sucks, but, man, this Iron Brigade shirt is awesome and I want it.

I'm the only Heck my Mama ever raised.

by ReadingRambler on Jun 26, 2011 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

No experience

You could say I’m a Cafe Press Virgin.

jtothetweet
"He didn't know we were real," said Sister Cecilia Sartorius of the Little Sisters of the Poor.

by jtothep on Jun 26, 2011 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, what the heck is your avatar anyway?

I’ve always wondered, but not enough to ask.

Anyway, it’s not as cool as my avatar combined with a Johnny Paycheck sig.

I'm the only Heck my Mama ever raised.

by ReadingRambler on Jun 26, 2011 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Would you believe you're the first person to ask?

I’m gonna let that sink in for a moment.

jtothetweet
"He didn't know we were real," said Sister Cecilia Sartorius of the Little Sisters of the Poor.

by jtothep on Jun 26, 2011 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

probably the way it should be

wait, misdreavus replied….i’ll come back to avatar talk.

jtothetweet
"He didn't know we were real," said Sister Cecilia Sartorius of the Little Sisters of the Poor.

by jtothep on Jun 26, 2011 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

You better finish this when you get back.

Or I’ll assume it’s Keanu Reeves or Tom Cruise standing in front of a blue skate board.

Or something.

I'm the only Heck my Mama ever raised.

by ReadingRambler on Jun 26, 2011 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ahh, yes, my Avatar, to the only person ever reported to have inquired

And this should end up being a good bedtime story in that it’s incredibly boring. Remember back when people used yahoo instead of gmail? What’s that? Some still do? Oh, anyway, when they first launched yahoo messenger, they included this little avatar builder thingy and it had a few components to choose from as you ‘dressed’ him. I wanted to be cool but not too cool, so I went with the Asian grill, then suited him up with a skully, some black pants and coat, which now looks kinda like a track suit, which kinda fits, cuz it’s both Wannabe and Tired. I’m a sports fan, so I dropped in a stadium behind me, and at the time was just learning to snowboard, so I put that in too. Also, there’s a snake beside my left foot. You know, cool, tough. Snake.

jtothetweet
'The dignity and usage of the English language is not subordinate to statistics.'--717's own, ReadingRambler

by jtothep on Jun 27, 2011 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I guess I knew the

origin so I never inquired. I also thought it rude to ask if you are really an Asian snowboarding afficionado. Have you ever brought your board to a tailgate?

'Trivializing the "GREATEST RIVALRY OF ALL TIME" for a bunch of ghetto tats must have made them pee in their man-diapers.' Mr. Rosewater

by rahpsu92 on Jun 27, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I should

As old as it is, it’d provide better service as a pong table.

jtothetweet
'The dignity and usage of the English language is not subordinate to statistics.'--717's own, ReadingRambler

by jtothep on Jun 27, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think

it looks like you! LOL!

This is BSD, the crazy stirs itself.

by Paige2PSU on Jun 27, 2011 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

not at all!

My grammer skills need improved.

by BMAN13 on Jun 28, 2011 7:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

42-35 Iowa...

was OT. That was the game when Joe chased after the officials following the end of the game.

by nits4ever on Jun 27, 2011 7:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hate PSU games that go into overtime.

It REALLY stresses me out. I was a basket case by the end off the 2006 Orange Bowl.

This is BSD, the crazy stirs itself.

by Paige2PSU on Jun 27, 2011 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree!

I was at the orange bowl, and I had an 8 am flight out of Miami the next day…not the best night. But at least we won, it’s way worse to have OT and lose!

Fire Dan Snyder

by Cari Greene on Jun 28, 2011 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Very true!

Isn’t the Orange Bowl our only OT win? Or does it just feel that way?

This is BSD, the crazy stirs itself.

by Paige2PSU on Jun 28, 2011 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know, but it certainly does feel that way...

and it kinda goes to one of ckmneon’s points on that fanpost, that we haven’t been having close games—we win big or we lose big.

Fire Dan Snyder

by Cari Greene on Jun 28, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

8) 2004: Iowa 6, PSU 4

"Penn State is the standard for success with honor. Period. I can’t even believe we’re even discussing that" - ReadingRambler

by psuphysicist on Jun 27, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

just when I thought we could get through the post without mentioning it...

thanks, physicist, nightmares for NotCarlotta tonight!

Fire Dan Snyder

by Cari Greene on Jun 27, 2011 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is that necessary?

This is BSD, the crazy stirs itself.

by Paige2PSU on Jun 27, 2011 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Penn State beats the hell out of people or gets crushed.

I can’t think of a lot of really close losses. Generally speaking that is.

"The friend’s husband was out of his mind drunk, on drugs, too, I think," Chambers recalls. "He thought I was hitting on his wife. He stabbed me twice with a broken vodka glass" BAMF

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by Ben Jones on Jun 26, 2011 10:05 PM EDT reply actions  

That definitely is the opposite of our reputation and how things used to be.

We always used to be able to keep games close, and then win with superior execution and grit. Boy, I miss those days.

68 DAYS 51 MINUTES 37 SECONDS UNTIL KICKOFF!!!

by Ab4PSU on Jun 27, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

OSU 2003

60 yard field goal only inches short by Mr. Kimball. UGH. 21-20 I think was the final in that one.

by wxguy519 on Jun 26, 2011 10:19 PM EDT reply actions  

From 1980 to 1992, Penn State lost 38 games. The average margin of defeat in those PSU losses was 11.7 points.

From 1993 to the present, the boys lost 69 games. The average margin of defeat was 12.6 points.

Types of losing (These are all highly subjective definitions):

1) The Total, Unmitigated Blowout. This is the least common form of loss. Not even 2001 Miami counts in this definition, as they really let off the gas. Examples: 2007 brutus, 2003 MSU (Ricky Upton leaves for locker room), 2000 brutus (Adam T. game), 1998 UM, 1988 WVU (50-31 was a deceptive score), 1988 Syracuse, 1984 Pitt (The “We played like a bunch of babies” game), and 1983 Nebraska.
2) The Michigan 2001 pounding. You know what I mean. It’s obvious they’re better, but they aren’t going to flaunt it. Examples: 2010 Bama, 2010 Iowa, 2009 brutus, 2004 Wisconsin, 2000 UM, many, many other games including, oddly enough, 2000 Toledo. Which, I mean, wow.
3). I Hate Playing Wisconsin. 1995 Wisco, 1998 Wisco, 2004 Wisco (HEBREW HAMMER!), 2006 Wisco. Same theme. Generic Wisconsin QB hands to Generic Wisconsin TB, five yard gain. Rinse and repeat. PSU’s offense can’t do much, but they can do just enough to frustrate me even more when they can’t do enough. I hate this game. I utterly hate losing to Wisconsin, because it’s basically always the same, with the exception of the 2003 game, which was just an odd game. I don’t remember the 2001 game.
4) SCREW THE REFS SCREW THE COACHES TOO. It’s the nature of fans to blame the refs in close losses because it’s hard to officiate football anyway and especially a closely played game. We also blame the coaches. I don’t know if we blame the coaches more initially, but the pain of a close loss definitely lasts longer and the debate does as well.

All in all, I’ll take #2.

I'm the only Heck my Mama ever raised.

by ReadingRambler on Jun 26, 2011 11:03 PM EDT reply actions  

5) Bonus game.

2004 Iowa. After the game, Joe said he felt pretty good early because we had a 2-0 lead. It was our fault for being unable to hold on to to that lead.

Things were so bad that Joe Paterno – Joe Paterno, the greatest coach everadmitted to thinking, maybe, just maybe we could hold on that 2-0 lead.

And, in all honesty, the original quote sounded much worse than how I describe it. But it’s late.

I'm the only Heck my Mama ever raised.

by ReadingRambler on Jun 26, 2011 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

In all honesty

This is a pretty nice list, however Simmonsian (pronounced Sim MOANS ian).

jtothetweet
"He didn't know we were real," said Sister Cecilia Sartorius of the Little Sisters of the Poor.

by jtothep on Jun 26, 2011 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm proud to say I don't know what you mean.

“…All except God-damned New England.”

I'm the only Heck my Mama ever raised.

by ReadingRambler on Jun 26, 2011 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

One of the last columns of his I read

He did a thing I love (self-referencing) and cited his own column of years earlier called Levels of Losing.

Or something.

jtothetweet
"He didn't know we were real," said Sister Cecilia Sartorius of the Little Sisters of the Poor.

by jtothep on Jun 26, 2011 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I did a Sommonsian comparison for PSU levels of losing.

Examplars of the level of losing, from most horrible to least.

Stomach Punch: Michigan 2005
Broken Axle: Michigan State 2007
This Can’t Be Happening: Wisconsin 2004
Butt Kicking: Miami 2001
Monkey Wrench: Auburn 2003 bowl game
Bad Ref Call: Michigan 2002
Sudden Death: Iowa 2002
Rabbit’s Foot: Notre Dame 2006
The Overload: Northwestern in 2003 and 2004
Alpha Dog: Illinois 2007
Achilles Heel: Boston College 2004
The Vanderbilt Principle: Ohio State 2003

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by J.Schnauzer on Jun 27, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Simmon, not Sommons.

Sommons writes for Grontland.

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by J.Schnauzer on Jun 27, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

forget it

I’m a walking grammar fail right now

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by J.Schnauzer on Jun 27, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hate to start debating Simmonsian stuff, but, eh, you started it.

Michigan State 2007 fits the definition of The Guillotine. It was obvious we were going to lose as soon as MSU started scoring. PSU lines up for a third down conversion and I know they’re going to screw it up. Honest to God, the breakdown was so obvious that I was laughing at the team by the end of the game. Sure, I was a little angry too, but the Old Man and I were too busy mocking everybody and enjoying it to really care that much about anger.

I hope to God I never have to sit through a piece of decroded crap like that ever again.

I'm the only Heck my Mama ever raised.

by ReadingRambler on Jun 27, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, and, yes, I was bitter as soon as I stopped laughing.

I was really close to actively rooting against the team in the bowl game.

That was not a healthy year. Thank you, Daryll Clark.

I'm the only Heck my Mama ever raised.

by ReadingRambler on Jun 27, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

This Can’t Be Happening: Rutgers 1988
Butt Kicking: Every single loss in 2003 and 2004
Monkey Wrench: Iowa 2008. Some bad reffing, but the coaches made so many bad decisions, from shifting the o-line around to the whole Clark debacle.
Rabbit’s Foot: Once again, Iowa 2008. After ’99 and ’05, oh the inevitable pain.
Alpha Dog: Michigan 2007
Achilles Heel: Boston College 2003. Fatal flaw? THIS TEAM SUCKS.

I'm the only Heck my Mama ever raised.

by ReadingRambler on Jun 27, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

One thing that's forgotten

Is how good the team is on the road. For example, Wisconsin is rather bad on the road. Scratch that, they’re putrid. So if they win a fair amount of Big Ten games, naturally their home record will appear better than it really is following this analysis. Likewise, if you’re Ohio State and win on the road, then following this analysis the home record would appear worse.

Good analysis though!

"Go to Hell, Michigan Football"

by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Jun 27, 2011 10:18 AM EDT reply actions  

This is true

It’s only a comparison of a team’s record at home to their record overall. In terms of just best home record:

1. Ohio State (14-2)
2. Wisconsin (13-3)
3. Penn State / Michigan State / Iowa (11-5)

is there anyway i can redeem myself, i was not sure if i should say "we" at that moment
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by ckmneon on Jun 27, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, dude

Wilson’s going to Wisconsin SO THE HYPE IS LEGIT AND WISCONSIN IS GOING TO BE AWESOME OMG

Personally, I like this news if it means Wisconsin will be stupid again and go away from their running identity.

I'm the only Heck my Mama ever raised.

by ReadingRambler on Jun 27, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hold On

This gets bumped but discount handbags doesn’t? I guess we can all tell who put the apple on BSD’s desk……

"We heard all that talk all week about the SEC and their speed, but we knew personally that they weren't nearly as tough as us."

-Tony Hunt

by Cpiritual27 on Jun 27, 2011 1:16 PM EDT reply actions  

MainLion gave them an apple from the rich Genesee Valley of New York.

It was the shiniest, healthiest, plumpest apple anyone had ever seen! It even had the ability to speak!

But it had worms and it spoke in a harsh, guttural, New York City accent.

So we fed it to the office’s pet guinea pig.

I'm the only Heck my Mama ever raised.

by ReadingRambler on Jun 27, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

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