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Penn State’s Greatest Games Of The Big Ten Era – 2008 Ohio State

COLUMBUS OH - NOVEMBER 13:  Quarterback Terrelle Pryor #2 of the Ohio State Buckeyes looks for running room as Stephon Morris #12 of the Penn State Nittany Lions defends at Ohio Stadium on November 13 2010 in Columbus Ohio.  (Photo by Jamie Sabau/Getty Images)

While the 2008 Ohio State game doesn't quite stack as high as its 1994 and especially 2005 brethren, the game is never the less important in the grand scheme of things when it comes to Penn State and the Big Ten.   Any time you can make Terrelle Pryor pay for his mistakes, it is a great day.

If you are like most Penn State fanatics(and I assume most of us are), you can recall with great detail, your exact location, beverage, seat, and company of every major Penn State football game or breaking news.  For this game, I was at my future in-laws house sitting in my lucky spot on the coach biting my nails and yelling like a maniac at the TV, or basically a typical Saturday during Penn State's away games. What I don't recall with great detail is where I was when the Anthony Morelli era ended and the Daryll Clark era began. Did it begin during the Alamo Bowl with his version of Michael Robinson's 2002 Nebraska Performance? Or was it his Spring and Summer long battle with former Prep star Pat Devlin?  Clark's ascension to the first seat on the blue bus is a big reason why I'm writing about this game. 

Prior to arriving in Columbus, Penn State was putting up some serious offensive numbers (through the first 8 games), averaging just over 45 points per game, which rivaled the storied 1994 offensive juggernaut team's first 8 games led by Kerry Collins and Ki-Jana Carter (48 points per game).  The 2008 teams defense was actually giving up fewer points per game, 11.7 compared to 19.12, although the '08 team did play Coastal Carolina and the '94 bunch wasn't yet into the era of non D-1A cupcake diets.

Clark was like a Robinson-lite on the field, utilizing his arm and his bruising running style to make things happen for the Nittany Lions.  Two weeks prior to the OSU game, Clark introduced Wisconsin to his signature fist pump en route to a 48-7 thumping in Madison.  The next week, Penn State paid back Michigan for 2005 and beat the Wolverines 46-17, their first win in ten games. All of this set the tone for another crucial Ohio State game, with this one being played in Columbus, a place Penn State had not won in since joining the Big Ten back in 1993.  All of that would change on October 25th, 2008 in a very typical Tressel-ball vs. Paterno-ball match up.

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Watching Penn State vs. Ohio State is always the most nerve racking game to watch (for me at least) each season because regardless of how many points each team put up in prior weeks, the game plan always changed to a Conservative, project the ball, get the field position edge, wait for the big play to happen approach.  More times than not, Penn State was on the bad end of that big play.  

After neither team did much of anything in the first quarter, the third ranked Nittany Lions were able to get on board first against the tenth ranked Buckeyes when Neshaminy High School's  own (go Skins!) Kevin Kelly connected on a 31-yard field goal.  Ohio State matched Kelly's feat and tied the game up 3-3 at the half. The Buckeyes would go on to take the lead with just over 3 minutes left in the third quarter when they connected on another mid-range field goal to make it 6-3.  This is where things start to get interesting.

If you recall, Penn State marched down the field and missed a 48 yarder, one of only four Kelly misses all season. Pryor and the Buckeyes took over with less than 12 minutes remaining, drove to the Penn State 41 and landed in a third and 1 situation. What happened next is one of those, the whole stadium knows what player is coming next (Pryor QB sneak) and Penn State needed to figure a way to stop it.  Well luckily for the Nittany Lions, Pryor provided an assist for the defense.  Thinking he saw some daylight, Pryor bounced the play outside to his right where Michael Phelps-killer, Mark Rubin was waiting.  Rubin punched out the ball, a scramble ensued and NavorroBowman came out with it.  In Lou Prato's book, "Game Changers" Mark Rubin explains exactly what happened on that memorable play:

I just tried to squeeze tight and make a play.  I just wanted to make a sure tackle. I knew it was third-and-short, so I didn't want to let him get the first down.  I just tried to square up and push him back.  I'm not going to lie, I just happened to punch it out.

And you know the rest of the story.  Pat Devlin came in for the concussed Daryll Clark and led the team for the game winning score, a one yard Devlin run.  At the time, most fans thought Paterno pulled an ineffective Clark.  It wasn't until later that it came out he suffered a concussion on the previous series.  While the concussion did not doom the team in Columbus, two weeks later in Iowa City would be a different story.  But that is for Worst Games, not Greatest, so we'll leave that for another series of posts.

The game ended in what can now be considered foreshadowing given everything that has come to light in the past six months.  Pryor desperate to make a play made the wrong decision and throw up what may or may not have been a pass attempt and was intercepted by cornerback Lydell Sargeant in the end zone.  Game. Set. Match.

This game was part of a magical season for our Nittany Lions  who earned their third ever Big Ten title.  Despite what we now know about Pryor, Tressel and many of the Buckeye players, it does not tarnish the win one bit.  It is always good to beat a Buckeye, even when they are cheating.

 And not to be forgotten, this was also the Deon Butler - we are not normal, we are legends pre-game speech game. 

We are Penn State!  We not normal.  We are Legends.  People will tell their kids about us. alright?  WE ARE NOT NORMAL!  We are Penn State.  They don't have the tradition to hold our...

Yes we are Deon.  And no they can't.

Lou Prato's Perspective

I can't help but think that this game will be more and more memorable as the years pass, primarily because of the key Ohio State fumble that led to the 13-6 victory and the player who lost the ball, Terelle Pryor. Pryor is now a pariah in Columbus as many hardcore Buckeye fans blame him for the downfall of Coach Jim Tressel and the major black eye on the reputation of "THE Ohio State University." Yes, the win was significant because it kept Penn State undefeated and in line to play for the national championship as well as being the first victory in Ohio Stadium after seven straight defeats since joining the Big Ten in 1993. Unfortunately, the stunning last minute loss at Iowa two weeks later ruined the national title aspirations, and the follow up defeat to a "shady" USC team in the Rose Bowl spoiled what could have been another great season. But because Pryor was so highly recruited by Penn State before choosing to play for the Buckeyes and because he insulted the NittanyLion Nation with some of his ill-chosen remarks in the recruiting process, he-rightfully or wrongly--turned into, arguably, the most disliked opposing players of the Paterno coaching era. 

So, when the talented but brash freshman quarterback screwed up as he tried to make a first down on a third-and-one at the OSU41-yard line with ten minutes left in the game and his team leading 6-3, Penn State fans were delirious by his failure and embarrassment. Pryor disregarded Tressel'scalled play for a quarterback sneak because he thought he saw an opening to the right. Penn State had a safety blitz on, and in one motion Mark Rubin hit Pryor and with his left hand stripped the ball out of Pryor's loose grip. The ball took a couple of crazy bounces before linebacker Navorro Bowman fell on it at the 38-yard line. While we fans in the Horseshoe were cheering wildly we were surprised to see the team's little used but touted second team quarterback, sophomore Pat Devlin, come on the field for Daryl Clark, who we later learned had a concussion. Devlin won the hearts of the Nittany Lion Nation when he led the drive for the touchdown, and it was ironic, and certainly gratifying to Penn State fans, that Devlin scored on the type of play Pryor botched-a quarterback sneak.

Is it unfair and heartless to be so vindictive or unsympathetic about the public humiliation of a 19-year-old youth? Let your conscious be the judge. But there is no doubt many Penn State fans were quite happy when Mark Rubin stripped the ball from Pryor late October night, and they now are more than delighted by what has occurred in the last few months to Pryor, Tressel and THE Ohio State program.

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Best thing I've read yet on BSD about TP
Is it unfair and heartless to be so vindictive or unsympathetic about the public humiliation of a 19-year-old youth? Let your conscious be the judge.

Is such a lack of sympathy characteristic of “success with honor”? Why anyone would revel in the public humiliation of TP or how anyone can think that the public defamation of Ohio State benefits rather than hurts Penn State is beyond me.

gone but not forgotten

by chicken cosmo on Jun 30, 2011 12:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Conscience

because I drank myself unconscious after that game.

by PSU Mudder on Jun 30, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think this is kinda lame, bro.

I see two parts to your post; the first of which is not as hyperbolic as the second.

Is such a lack of sympathy characteristic of "success with honor"?

No. I will use hindsight freely. Terrelle Pryor is a punk kid – not uncommon in a country blessed with many riches and many pastimes – who hanged out with the wrong crowd. Moreover, that wrong crowd meant he was playing football for a bunch of cheaters surrounded by a fanbase of arrogant clods. I feel bad for his father but I do not feel bad for him. I do not feel any regret that I reveled in his “public humiliation” as it was just a football game, but mostly because I was reveling in his downfall because he was playing for a bunch of cheaters (No, we didn’t know as much as we do now, but we knew they were cheating). I was excited to see one of the chief faces of those cheaters looking like an idiot.

Why anyone would revel in the public humiliation of TP or how anyone can think that the public defamation of Ohio State benefits rather than hurts Penn State is beyond me.

Where, exactly, is this horrible public defamation Ohio State is supposedly receiving? Defamation implies that an untruth is being laid at the feet of an innocent or mostly innocent party. There is, of course, nothing innocent whatsoever about Ohio State.

When we celebrated the downfall of Ohio State, we did it for good reason (Note past tense; no one is still gloating here); they are cheaters and they stand against everything Paterno stands for. They got what they deserved.

Moreover, look at all the positive attention Penn State has been getting recently. A good chunk of that is absolutely due to the fact that in Columbus we have a prime example of what Paterno isn’t.

I'm the only Heck my Mama ever raised.

by ReadingRambler on Jun 30, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

defamation was the wrong word

Flogging would have been more appropriate.

When I was 19, 20, 21, 22, 23 I made a lot of mistakes. Fortunately, I was not in the public eye, so I did not have a bunch of people who had never met me jump all over me for all of those mistakes. Interestingly, however, I did receive a scholarship to attend dear old state, so I feel bad for athletes generally, and TP in particular, who’s chief financial assistance from the NCAA was the same equal to what I was given from the college of liberal arts, and yet no one really criticized me for saying stupid things or making bad decisions, though I did a lot of both.

To the Ohio State public flogging more generally, I point you to this excellent article by PSU professor Carolyn Todd.

As she writes,

We wish the best for Ohio State. They are one of our most important rivals. We want them to be good so that when we win against them, it means something.

We want them to be good because there is nothing to be gained for Penn State if they are bad. We want to beat an excellent team, not a team that is handicapped by NCAA sanctions.

You make a good point about the recent positive press for PSU and Paterno, but that doesn’t change the fact that this is a huge big eye for the Big Ten and for our chief rival. As such, it makes our league and our schedule less interesting and compelling. I am sad that Ohio State was breaking the rules, and it seems like some on here are happy. I do not necessarily count you among them, but I don’t understand this sentiment, as long-term, it is bad for PSU, not good.

gone but not forgotten

by chicken cosmo on Jun 30, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not happy OSU broke rules

I’m happy they were caught and are going to be justifably punished

by hbeach08 on Jun 30, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I agree that it's good they got caught

And I’m not worried about not playing “the best version of OSU” or it weakening their team. If they can’t put together the same level of team without breaking rules than that is their problem to figure out

I like sports and I don't care who knows.

by Drea1020 on Jun 30, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

i can't think of anything to say

so i’m tempted to say that you win, but not so fast. i need to think about this more. (though you let me win the TP part).

gone but not forgotten

by chicken cosmo on Jun 30, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree - it's condemnation not defamation

I believe Rambler is right about almost everything, with the possible exception that there are people who do not distinguish at all between being happy that Ohio State got caught and being happy that they broke the rules. It seems illogical that we would want any opponent to “cheat” because that would put our team at a competitive disadvantage. But there are degrees of cheating. From the perspective of a PSU fan who wants us to beat our opponent on the field, paying the refs to get two seconds back on the clock would be CHEATING whereas letting a player sell an autograph for $100 is “cheating.” I approve of neither, but one directly affects the competition whereas the other, at most, very negligibly affects how a game turns out (because one player should have been suspended, perhaps).

Now a twist: I believe a collegiate coach is more morally culpable for allowing the $100 improper benefit than directly paying the refs. Why? Paying the refs to cheat at a football game subverts competition. Teaching a teenager that it’s okay to break the rules might ruin at least that one person’s life and likely the lives of people around him. As much as I critique Paterno’s football strategy, I wholly approve of his attitude that led him to once comment about the importance of football, “This isn’t the Crusades here.”

My point is that PSU fans have every right to be pleased if just punishment is handed down for wrongdoing by a rival program. However, I hope very few people take delight in continued wrongdoing just so they have an excuse to hate and criticize a rival. Often the rules violations that most turn young men into bad eggs later in life are the ones people think should slide because they don’t hurt competition.

by Charlie Yordy on Jun 30, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sorry, but going forward

I want Purdue, Indiana, Illinois, and Wisconsin to be just as good as Ohio State because we play all of them every year.

by misdreavus79 on Jul 2, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

TP didn't just make mistakes

he knowingly and repeatedly broke rules, and was arrogant about it to boot. One could argue his arrogance is a result of the ass-kissing he received throughout his youth. Boo hoo. To have the cojones to drive up to the first team meeting with a new coach in yet another new vehicle was beyond arrogance. It was a big middle finger to his teammates and his new coach.

But hell, who cares, everyone does, etc. etc.

by letsgopsu on Jul 4, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

probably my second favorite game behind 02 nebraska

i was at the 20 yard line completely surrounded by osu fans and was up yelling on every play got so many dirty looks

by bld1777 on Jun 30, 2011 1:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Does anyone else think the

decision to play a possible still-woozy Clark against Iowa (and the terrible result) as a possible reason for Bolden not being given many chances last year after his concussion?

'Trivializing the "GREATEST RIVALRY OF ALL TIME" for a bunch of ghetto tats must have made them pee in their man-diapers.' Mr. Rosewater

by rahpsu92 on Jun 30, 2011 1:07 PM EDT reply actions  

The "rules" about concussions......

were much more stringent in all sports last year as opposed to the 2008 season. And anytime you can revel in the public humiliation of a private rules-breaker, you should do it, especially if YOU ARE “Success with Honor.” I am telling you again that the public does not know the half of what went on with TP’s recruitment and the crap HE and his mentors brought to the table.

"The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me God." The Government is like the Mob, you can check out, but never leave.

by DerryPharmer on Jun 30, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes.
When the 1986 Miami squad come out in military fatigues and talk trash all year, show no respect for their opposition or the game, and lose spectacularly, I laugh at them and I want them to know that I’m laughing at them. I want them to feel failure, in hopes that it makes them stop acting like that. That’s how I feel about Pryor.

This is how I feel, but I didn’t articulate it properly.

I'm like the mice on jtothep's basement beam; scurrying back and forth along the entire length at breakneck speed.

by ReadingRambler on Jun 30, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's difficult, for me at least, to differentiate between TP now

and TP in 2008. After the 2008 game, there were a lot of joy over the fact that he cried after they lost. This joy was separate from PSU winning, and solely gained from TP losing and crying about it. In retrospect, knowing now that he was likely acting brazenly above the “law”, those actions by PSU fans may be somewhat justified.

But at the time, when all we knew was that he had a big ego and had a penchant for saying dumb things, I think that was over the top.

My biggest problem with internet college football commentary is that the athletes are treated like fully-formed adults and professionals, when they are neither. The deserve sympathy, not judgment, in my opinion. It’s one thing to heckle and taunt and do everything else to a professional athlete, it’s quite another to do it to a college kid, but many seem to miss that point.

gone but not forgotten

by chicken cosmo on Jun 30, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Case by case

and myself (as well as I’m sure Derry and others) knew in 2008 that something was going on with Pryor beyond just the ego.

by OctaShields on Jun 30, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

This joy was separate from PSU winning, and solely gained from TP losing and crying about it.

I strongly disagree with this statement. Pryor’s antics and satisfaction with PSU winning were mixed together.

I'm like the mice on jtothep's basement beam; scurrying back and forth along the entire length at breakneck speed.

by ReadingRambler on Jun 30, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope it's THE reason.

I’ve been very, very, very critical and disgusted by the much tighter leash Joe put on Bolden while allowing McFavre to run amok. Maybe the university didn’t disclose the seriousness of the concussion due to confidentiality reasons.

If that’s the reason Bolden was given such a short leash, then I agree with it. As much as I want us to win, I don’t want to see some kid risk his health or future over wins. I don’t want victories at that cost. I do have SOME scruples.

70 DAYS 22 HOURS 49 MINUTES 18 SECONDS UNTIL KICKOFF!!!

by Ab4PSU on Jul 1, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm glad someone beat me to this

I ain't from Dallas, but I D-Town boogie

@AdamCollyer

by Adam Collyer on Jun 30, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't post often

but when I do, I try to make it count.

"Every time you go to that cook-off you get drunk as a poet on payday!"

by DrewRusse on Jun 30, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

no subject line
two weeks later in Iowa City would be a different story. But that is for Worst Games, not Greatest, so we’ll leave that for another series of posts.

yeah, don’t do that series of posts.

by PSU Mudder on Jun 30, 2011 1:22 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree

And that Iowa loss was a bad night for me

I like sports and I don't care who knows.

by Drea1020 on Jun 30, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't forget...

… we almost certainly win that game if not for that B.S. holding call on Ohrnberger when he cleanly pancaked that Iowa end. That took away a 1st down, & put us in a passing situation that ended in a pick. BTW, has anyone warned Nebraska about what they’ll be up against referee-wise as a B1G nkotb?

by No.21 on Jun 30, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can't believe this isn't up yet

"I want to be remembered as an ambassador of Penn State University. I want people to remember me not only athletically but for my character too. It’s important that I play well, but I want people to remember me for who I was as a person." ~Silas Redd

by jman07 on Jun 30, 2011 1:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Suck it Junny!!!!!

Whoops, wrong thread.

/joking

"We heard all that talk all week about the SEC and their speed, but we knew personally that they weren't nearly as tough as us."

-Tony Hunt

by Cpiritual27 on Jun 30, 2011 1:38 PM EDT reply actions  

lol

My grammer skills need improved.

by BMAN13 on Jun 30, 2011 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's impossible to compare the 2008 and 1994 schedules

while it was unheard of outside of the SEC and Big 8/12 to play non-1A teams, and even they did it rarely, 1994 was only the 2nd year of the 85 scholarship rule. The 85 scholarship rule did two huge things: made the middle to top of 1A worse, and the bottom of 1A and all of 1AA much better.

Playing Coastal Carolina in 2008 wasn’t all that different than playing Pacific or Iowa State in 1994.

is there anyway i can redeem myself, i was not sure if i should say "we" at that moment
by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

by ckmneon on Jun 30, 2011 3:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Intended as a knock on Nebraska's 94 schedule

but you’re not wrong

is there anyway i can redeem myself, i was not sure if i should say "we" at that moment
by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

by ckmneon on Jun 30, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

apropos of little

My favorite argument to use in the 1994 college football champion debate (especially effective in Big Ten forums):

If there was no BCS in 2002, would Ohio State have even garnered 5 first place AP votes over Miami?

Obviously we know what happened when they played on the field, questionable PI call notwithstanding. The Vegas line was something like Miami -13! Add to that that very few people would argue that the perceived difference between OSU-Miami in 2002 wasn’t about 30 times wider than between PSU-Neb in 1994. I mean, outside (and somewhat inside) the AP vote, many argue both sides, including more objective computer systems.

by OctaShields on Jun 30, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

It wasn't PI; it absolutely was holding, even though the call was PI.

That notwithstanding, you make a very good point.

Nevertheless, I would’ve voted for Ohio State. Picking OSU to win straight up made me a lot of money.

is there anyway i can redeem myself, i was not sure if i should say "we" at that moment
by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

by ckmneon on Jun 30, 2011 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

This game was a bit of a blur for me

I was traveling for some reason or other for the second of three consecutive weekends—this particular weekend, it was a wedding. I went out with a fairly large group of friends to watch this game at a sports bar. By sheer luck, we found one that was featuring the game that night. The place was packed with PSU fans, and there were a few OSU jerseys in the crowd too. It was a great atmosphere for watching the game. Everyone was locked in, waiting for the one play that would turn the tide. At first, I thought the missed field goal was that play. I was a little delirious from beer and insanely spicy wings when the fumble happened, but I remember the moment so clearly. THAT was it. THAT was the play we were waiting for. What a great night.

I still watch the pre- and post-game montage occasionally. So awesome.

by newenglandnittanylion on Jun 30, 2011 6:11 PM EDT reply actions  

The Best Win Over Ohio State

All you Pennsylvanian’s can love the home wins all you want for someone who lived in Ohio all his life and cheered for the Blue and White. In Ohio you are seen weird and out of place. My Father has been going to the Game in Columbus since Penn State joined the Big Ten with family friends with season tickets. Every year its been the same he congratulated the people around him and went on his way. After this game the same people he saw over and over turned and congratulated him. This win is the Biggest and the Best over Ohio State because it was in their house and hit hurts more when you beat them in their house. For an Ohioan Beating them in Columbus is sweeter than beating them 63-14 or in 05.

by Justin Anthony on Jun 30, 2011 6:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Hands down..

This win will forever be etched in my memory. The amount of noise in the stadium from the PSU side was insane when we saw that fumble. Staying after the game to harass Corso—no one wanted to leave. When I saw Mark Rubin the following BWW I gave him a big hug. Favorite sports memory (followed by Steelers Sixth Super Bowl win)

If you can't stand the heat, get out of the Big Ten...or just lose the sweater vest.

by amandakt on Jun 30, 2011 8:53 PM EDT reply actions  

I was in Cocoa Beach, FL that weekend, escaping my life.

I was with one of my best friends from college and we went to a place called Fishlips to watch the game. It was the same day that the Phillies were playing in the World Series against Tampa Bay (who had won two nights before in Tampa – we were there, although at Ferg’s outside the stadium) but the game was on a rain delay. By the time the fumble occurred, my friend and I were going crazy and there were A LOT of people in the bar, many of them Phillies fans. They had been watching us cheer and jeer all night. We had almost the entire bar doing the We are…Penn State cheer (except for a few dickheads from Philly). We had so much fun and it was one of the best weekends of my life. I got introduced to Washington Apple shots and one of my ex-boyfriends that night. I still love Washington Apple shots.

This is BSD, the crazy stirs itself.

by Paige2PSU on Jun 30, 2011 10:38 PM EDT reply actions  

I just about popped...

… an artery on that last pick, when <can’t remember who> was coming in free on Pryor, but got TACKLED from behind, & of course no flag, with the ref staring right at it. I thought “here we go again”. Luckily, we got the pick.

by No.21 on Jul 1, 2011 9:47 AM EDT reply actions  

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