Penn State at the top of a BAD list
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We may be at the top of the list for public universities,
but most people would argue that a better comparator is private universities. For a public university, Penn State gets very little funding from the state government (approximately 4% of the budget, IIRC).
This is BSD, the crazy stirs itself.
So incredibly true
PSU probably receives less money (that originated as a tax dollar) as a fraction of its total operating budget than many private universities. I don’t know the numbers and I’m not going to bother looking it up, but I’d be willing to bet PSU is more private in that sense than a handful of Ivy League schools and other so-called private universities.
Either way, things that are very, very relevant that are not shown:
—The number of applications PSU has received in that time
—The 25/75th percentile splits of GPAs and standardized test scores
—Relative inflation. We’ve had a couple Presidents in a row who love spending money that didn’t, technically, exist when they spent it. The merits and demerits of doing so are far more political than I’m going to be, but that money isn’t instantly distributed evenly. It generally takes between years and decades.
Prices are a signal. Increasing prices are a signal that PSU is becoming more desirable (in terms of dollars) relative to the supply.
is there anyway i can redeem myself, i was not sure if i should say "we" at that moment
by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know the numbers and I’m not going to bother looking it up
The most widespread internet meme… (no offense intended)
Alea jacta est...
That's ckmneon speak for
I’m fairly certain it’s true but am open to the possibility it’s not because I didn’t look it up and/or do the math myself.
is there anyway i can redeem myself, i was not sure if i should say "we" at that moment
by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Frankly, no politics rules aside, I’m not sure, short of wartime, what kind of benefits make up for the fact that they were spending money that, you know, was all a dream.
I mean, how is that even supposed to work? Are we just supposed to grow potatoes now?
I'm like the mice on jtothep's basement beam; scurrying back and forth along the entire length at breakneck speed.
by ReadingRambler on Jun 30, 2011 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait, no, we'll grow filth, lovely filth
I'm like the mice on jtothep's basement beam; scurrying back and forth along the entire length at breakneck speed.
by ReadingRambler on Jun 30, 2011 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Man, when I started twelve years ago, we were well under $10k.
But you know, corporations need their tax cuts, so the rest of us can suck it.
/PoFlaWa
So Pennsylvania slashing education funding has consequences to tuition rates?
PA now ranks dead last in state post-secondary education funding.
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by J.Schnauzer on Jun 30, 2011 11:00 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
It's really pathetic, especially what PSU does for the state in extension services, not to mention jobs
but even more pathetic are the PSU alumni that were criticizing Spanier and the university for being greedy because we didn’t want our state funding to be slashed by 50%.
by dawsonPSU10 on Jun 30, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
If you click through to look at the actual study, Pitt is right behind us at number 2.
Go Pennsylvania!
Numbers 6 through 9
Pennsylvania State University-Penn State Altoona
Pennsylvania State University-Penn State Berks
Pennsylvania State University-Penn State Erie-Behrend College
Pennsylvania State University-Penn State Harrisburg
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by J.Schnauzer on Jun 30, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
It sucks, but it was going to happen.
We be broke, homies.
Speaking for myself, I’m a tough Pennsylvanian who could survive without PennDot, but that would probably be bad for the state economy and stuff.
I'm the only Heck my Mama ever raised.
by ReadingRambler on Jun 30, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry, that's largely fiction.
Minimizing corporate and capital gains taxes is not an excuse to cut services like state education for the rest of us. Using the narrative of bankruptcy just skews the argument. I’m not attacking you for doing so; such terms have been incorrectly applied by many for years.
by BurrowesBldg on Jun 30, 2011 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
If we don't minimize taxes, then Pennsylvania will continue to shed young workers anyway.
I don’t think we have very many good options right now, but I don’t think raising taxes or maintaining high taxes is remotely close to a good idea.
I'm like the mice on jtothep's basement beam; scurrying back and forth along the entire length at breakneck speed.
by ReadingRambler on Jun 30, 2011 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
As a young worker that fled from Pennsylvania
let me say that life outside of PA is glorious. I can buy beer EVERYWHERE.
Luring recruits with my new "Posting HD" scheme since '08.
by 06Lion on Jul 1, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I get...
about 5 emails a week asking me to write to the Governor’s office or my state rep. about the lack of funding and proposed cuts. For once… I actually did write the relevant people. I went to PSU thanks to Mr. Stafford and Mr. Perkins and a couple of part-time jobs (Thank’s McLanahan’s!) and paid everything back over many, many years. I wouldn’t have done anything differently because my PSU experience was worth it. With the current rates, I don’t even think my loans and grants would have covered it. How many decent blue-collar… hell… middle-class kids won’t get a chance at that?
I just don't want to die without a few scars. ~Chuck Palahniuk, Fight Club, Chapter 6
Still in the process of paying everything back...
And will be for a long long time. And as much as I absolutely loved my time at Penn State, was it worth that much money? Don’t get me wrong, I wouldn’t trade my time there for anything. But to put it in perspective, I went to grad school at UNC. For undergrads, tuition there is $6,000. UNC is very comparable to Penn State; better in some things, worse in others. Was my education worth $9,000 more than what a UNC student paid? I personally don’t think so. And when I have kids and they start looking for colleges, how can I honestly point them towards Penn State, when I know they can have a damn good experience and get a really good education elsewhere, at half the cost?
Even worse for out-of-state students.
Using the Penn State tuition calculator (http://tuition.psu.edu/CostEstimate.asp) an out-of-state Freshman will pay $27,114 in tuition for the spring and fall semester. I remember my pre-scholarship tuition rate as an out-of-state freshman in 1997 was around $12,000. After scholarships it was around $8,500 and my folks paid for a share of it. I ended up with about $13,000 in loans at graduation which I paid off in about seven years.
There would be no chance I could go to Penn State now. Where would I make up the additional $15,000 a year?
Bloggin' at JoePasDoghouse.com
I just made the cut for in-state tuition.
Practically by the skin of my teeth. And thank God for it, because I couldn’t afford this place otherwise. I don’t know how my out-of-state friends make it work.
"I just wanted to thank you for everything you've done for this university." "Oh, I haven't done enough." - Joe Paterno.
My son's kindergarten teacher
sent her son to PSU and her daughter to Duke. As a Virginia resident they paid PSU oos tuition. Duke was pretty generous with their financial support and she ended up paying about $6,000/yr less to send her daughter to Duke than her son to PSU.
'Trivializing the "GREATEST RIVALRY OF ALL TIME" for a bunch of ghetto tats must have made them pee in their man-diapers.' Mr. Rosewater
Placing Penn State in a category with Public Universities is incorrect
PSU is a state-subsidized university not a public university, as are Pitt and one or two other universities that I can’t recall right now. The public universities in PA are part of PASSHE and include Shippensburg, Bloomsburg, Kutztown, etc. These schools tuitions are much lower than PSU and comparable to other public university tuitions in other states.
The real problem that I see is that PSU is the largest economic force in PA. I am pretty sure it is the largest employer in the state and I recall a statistic that every dollar that the state invests into PSU puts back $20 into the PA economy.
"I'll have a scotch and water, hold the scotch."
PA's State Related schools (PSU, Pitt, Temple) are impossible to classify in the USDOEd's binary, digital sense of Public or Private
I think of PSU as a private school that has a contract with the Commonwealth of PA that makes it operate somewhat like a public school, and that’s how I describe it whenever this topic comes up.
Really, PSU is in a special category all its own. PSU could survive in virtually the same capacity it does now without the Commonwealth’s subsidy; Pitt and Temple could not. This is why Spanier has such a bad reputation in Harrisburg: where Pitt and Temple go to grovel and beg, Spanier goes to renegotiate and it wouldn’t kill him to walk away with nothing.
is there anyway i can redeem myself, i was not sure if i should say "we" at that moment
by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is sad but true
The bulk of the state money PSU receives subsidizes in-state tuition. The federal money PSU is raking in in the forms of grants and other appropriations is for specific ventures, namely research and extension projects. This money cannot be used to offset tuition or construction costs. PSU needs the money from the state to keep tuition in check or they will start to price out students with the lack of financial add the school itself offers.
"I'll have a scotch and water, hold the scotch."
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