Too Much Information 2011: The Alabama Edition
Everyone talks about football. But what about a look at the university, and the people behind the teams on Penn State's schedule? It could very well be Too Much Information, but that's just what we give you in today's TMI: The Alabama Edition.
When I sat down to write about Alabama the state and Alabama the school I thought to myself, "there are two ways to handle this Galen. You can relive your Nittany Line days and pepper this article with redneck jokes or you can take the high road and enlighten our readers without succumbing to the lowest common denominator. After all you live in central PA and really have no room to talk, just look at some of your neighbors." In the end I thought screw it, the redneck jokes are easy and I'm all about easy. Onward.
History
In the early 1800's Alabama's economy thrived thanks mostly to large cotton plantations which took advantage of Alabama's rich fertile oil. Unfortunately, like many Southern states Alabama suffered economic hardship from the American Civil War until World War II in part because of continued dependence on agriculture. Many people blamed personal hardships on the Civil War and to this day some Alabamians are still fighting the war (in their heads at least) which is why you would most likely be called a "Yankee" if visiting the state. In case you weren't aware, to anyone south of the Mason–Dixon Line a Yankee is a derogatory term for someone from the north, to anyone above the Mason–Dixon Line a Yankee is a New York baseball player. Following World War II, Alabama experienced growth as the economy of the state transitioned from agriculture to diversified interests in heavy manufacturing, mineral extraction, and technology.
Alabama is unofficially nicknamed the Yellowhammer State, after the state bird. Alabama is also known as the "Heart of Dixie". The state tree is the Longleaf Pine and the state flower is a Ford Mustang on cinder blocks.
About the University
In 1818, Congress authorized the newly created Alabama Territory to set aside a township for the establishment of a "seminary of learning". When Alabama was admitted to the Union on December 14, 1819, a second township was added to the land grant, bringing it to a total of 46,000 acres. The General Assembly of Alabama established the seminary on December 18, 1820 and named it "The University of the State of Alabama." Alabama opened its doors to students on April 18, 1831. The University emphasized the classics and the social and natural sciences. There were around 100 students per year at the University in the 1830s. However, as Alabama was a frontier state and a sizable amount of its territory was still in the hand of various Native American tribes, it lacked the infrastructure to adequately prepare students for the rigors of university education. Discipline and student behavior was a major issue at The University almost from the day it opened. Early presidents attempted to enforce strict rules regarding conduct. Students were prohibited from drinking, swearing, making unauthorized visits off-campus, or playing musical instruments outside of a one-hour time frame. Yet riots and gunfights were not an uncommon occurrence.
To combat the severe discipline problem, president Landon Garland transformed the University into a military school in 1860. As such, many of the cadets who graduated from the school went on to serve as officers in the Confederate Army during the Civil War. As a consequence of that role, Union troops burned down the campus on April 4, 1865. Are we seeing a pattern here yet? The University reopened in 1871 and in 1880, Congress granted The University 40,000 acres of coal land in partial compensation for $250,000 in war damages. The military structure was dropped approximately a decade after the school was officially opened to women in 1892.
The Crimson Elephants?
Without doing a Google search; where did Crimson Tide come from and why is the mascot an elephant? Amazingly these are questions I've never investigated until now. In 1930 a sports writer by the name of Everett Strupper of the Atlanta Journal wrote an article about an Alabama-Mississippi game where Alabama coach Wallace Wade started his second string before bringing in the big guys.
"Coach Wade started his second team that was plenty big and they went right to their knitting scoring a touchdown in the first quarter against one of the best fighting small lines that I have seen. For Ole Miss was truly battling the big boys for every inch of ground.
"At the end of the quarter, the earth started to tremble, there was a distant rumble that continued to grow. Some excited fan in the stands bellowed, 'Hold your horses, the elephants are coming,' and out stamped this Alabama varsity.
Strupper and other writers continued to refer to the Alabama linemen as "Red Elephants," the color referring to the crimson jerseys.
That 1930 team posted a 10-0 record, won the Rose Bowl and were declared National Champions. The mascot is named Big Al, which for some reason brings another Big Al to mind.
As for the Crimson Tide, the first nickname given to the Alabama football team was "Thin Red Line." Hugh Roberts the former sports editor of the Birmingham Age-Herald used "Crimson Tide" in describing an Alabama-Auburn game played in Birmingham in 1907. The game was played in a sea of mud and Auburn was a heavy favorite to win. But, evidently, the "Thin Red Line" played a great game in the red mud and held Auburn to a 6-6 tie, thus gaining the name "Crimson Tide."
So there you have it, now it makes sense. Kind of.
Football related data
Last Season: 10-3
It goes without saying but of all the tradition rich football programs Alabama is probably the tops. It also goes without saying that outside of Notre Dame, you will be hard pressed to find another fan base as arrogant. Need proof check out redelephants.com
What Is Alabama Football (some of my favorites)
It is walking into another team's stadium and having those fans hate you because you are from Alabama.
It is the pride you take in being every team's rival.
It is knowing that the SEC Championship is a birthright.
It is being respected and feared at the same time.
It is having enough pride to fight for your school but having enough class not to.
It is walking into a stadium and knowing Alabama will win the game no matter who they are playing because is just the way it is supposed to be.
Yeah they take their football very, very seriously in Alabama. Walk into a Piggly Wiggly in Tuscaloosa and yell 'Bear Bryan sucks' and see how long it is until you get punched in the groin. Just like Pitt, Alabama enjoys bragging about their 350* national championships although many of those came before I was born and one (1973) was awarded by the Coaches' Poll before Bama got beat by Notre Dame in the bowl game. Pretty much if Alabama recorded a first down in a season before the 70's they were given a national championship. Although I have to say probably their best championship team was the squad led by a VHT freshman named Jesus H. Christ in 18 A.D.
Famous Alumni
Alabama's list of notable graduates is daunting.
Here are just a few:
- Rece Davis of ESPN
- Robert Van de Graaff
- Cristin Duren who became Miss Florida USA in 2006
- Jim Nabors
- Former Postmaster General Winton M. Blount
- Of course we have to always include the one asshole that ruins things: Bernard Madoff** - Ponzi scheme extraordinaire.
*I may have exaggerated a bit but you get my point
**So he didn't technically graduate from Bama. Still, you let him in, so he's yours, Tide
Cross-Posted from Linebacker-U.com
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All I'm thinking is..
how did Duke manage to score 16 points? That’s a lot of offensive output for them.
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Notable Alumni
very divisive (to say the least) but semi-legendary Supreme Court justice Hugo Black
is there anyway i can redeem myself, i was not sure if i should say "we" at that moment
by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm originally from Southwestern VA...
and have now lived in Birmingham for about 7 years and people here call me a Northerner. Anyway, my wife and I really enjoyed talking with Penn State fans last year and hope that the Bama fans going to Beaver Stadium will be as respectful. I also really admired all the donations and help that PSU fans gave after the horrible storms back in April. Looking foward to the game again this year (hoping to somehow get a ticket and get up there).
Good Luck to PSU this year…beat the hell outta tOSU and Michigan for me. Roll Tide!
by RammerJammer23 on Jul 19, 2011 9:25 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Dammit
Stop making us like you Bama fans!
A Garden State Nittany Lion...
by Mike Pettigano on Jul 19, 2011 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, some Southerners don't use the old Confederacy or
the Mason-Dixon line as their delineation between the North and the South (or they are mistaken as to where they think the Mason Dixon line is!! A lot of Virginians sound like Yankees, so they must be Yankees!
This is BSD, the crazy stirs itself.
Also, a lot of Virginians also sound like they are from the deepest part of the south.
almost a compensation thing. Had a friend from Huntsville that lived in Pa a couple years. We went to a couple bars one night in Fannettsburg, Pa, Hillside Tavern and FBI (Fanettsburg Inn). He couldn’t believe the accents he was hearing. He even talked to one guy that had never been farther south than Hagerstown or farther west than Everett and he sounded like he was from Mississippi.
My grammer skills need improved.
I found this funny:
took advantage of Alabama’s rich fertile oil
So basically, Alabama is actually located right next to Saudi Arabia?
"We're going to do all we can to get this team right, to go after that national championship" - Devon Still
by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Jul 19, 2011 9:46 AM EDT reply actions
I just figured BP made
an 1800’s visit to the Gulf Coast.
'Trivializing the "GREATEST RIVALRY OF ALL TIME" for a bunch of ghetto tats must have made them pee in their man-diapers.' Mr. Rosewater
so you're saying that we're awesome?
also Harper Lee of To Kill a Mockingbird fame is from Bama
she wrote for the school newspaper
People who live in glass houses should not hang out with Charles Barkley.
ALABAMA SCORECARD:
Harper Lee = 15 claimed national championships for football team
Horribly overrated Movie Gump = 25 claimed national championships for football team
Constant references in movie Crimson Tide = 43 claimed national championships for football team
Hank Williams Sr = 30 claimed national championships for football team
Scratch where it itches.
by ReadingRambler on Jul 19, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Forrest Gump Synopsis
Hey, I remember the Vietnam War! It was bad!
Hey, I remember Watergate, Nixon was a jerk!
Hey, I remember JFK, and his brother!
Oh man, how witty! He got stock in a fruit company!
Awww, that song was so good, I remember the 60s! Everything was so rosy and free.
Wait, wait, wait, academy, this film came out the same year as Pulp Fiction and Shawshank? And this won Best Picture?
by STU Boy on Jul 19, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You have to give him credit...
Gump can drink a hell of a lot of Dr. Peppers – or is it Root Beer (or Mountain Dew)?
'Trivializing the "GREATEST RIVALRY OF ALL TIME" for a bunch of ghetto tats must have made them pee in their man-diapers.' Mr. Rosewater
I think I would remember if Gump had done a DP scene.
Imploring Paul Holmgren to visit capgeek.com since 2008.
by mushdamma on Jul 19, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
it's still a way better movie than The English Patient or Shakespeare in Love.
Fire Dan Snyder
by Cari Greene on Jul 19, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
The English Patient may be the most overrated movie ever
by letsgopsu on Jul 19, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Elaine - is that you?
You’ll get blackballed saying stuff like that.
'Trivializing the "GREATEST RIVALRY OF ALL TIME" for a bunch of ghetto tats must have made them pee in their man-diapers.' Mr. Rosewater
SEX IN A BATHTUB...THAT DOESN'T WORK!
@EpicTripod
BSD
SBN - Pittsburgh
Success With Honor
by Jeff Junstrom on Jul 19, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
LOL I forgot about that
Also, I have never seen Schindler’s List (I wouldn’t be able to handle it), so I can’t make out during it
Thank you.
It’s a piece of garbage. There is no plot to speak of. It only made money because people are naturally nostalgic.
Scratch where it itches.
by ReadingRambler on Jul 19, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
yowza yankees
sorry if I brought up Harper Lee
also Forest Gump is a million more times painful for me than it will ever be for any of you
me in Pasadena: “So do you really think that life is like a box of chocolates?”
me in Chicago: “Alabama really? Are you bros with Lieutenant Dan?”
me in South freakin Africa: “Tell me you date a girl named Jen-NAY”
People who live in glass houses should not hang out with Charles Barkley.
by Wallacewade04 on Jul 19, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I will admit
Gregory Peck turn in one of the best acting performances ever in that movie.
Fonda coulda done it better.
Scratch where it itches.
by ReadingRambler on Jul 19, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
That, plus I always liked his performance in The Ox-Bow Incident
Not a great movie, and too preachy for my taste, but I’ve always thought he had more range than Peck.
Scratch where it itches.
by ReadingRambler on Jul 19, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
You on the internet: Was shrimpin easy after the storms?
Sorry, it’s almost certainly too soon, but I couldn’t resist.
is there anyway i can redeem myself, i was not sure if i should say "we" at that moment
by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it's the internet there is no too soon
and you have to remember that no one will buy the shrimp cause of the damn BP oil spill cause no matter how many times you tell the yankees that they’re fine they just log onto the internet and click some picture of a seagull covered in that crap and SONOFABITCH we’ve had a bad couple of years around here
People who live in glass houses should not hang out with Charles Barkley.
by Wallacewade04 on Jul 19, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't worry.
If you ever meet me, I won’t mention that movie…
Well, ok, I will yell, “I THINK SHE SHOULD GO BACK TO GREENBOW, ALABAMA!” because that’s my impression of all Southrons. But for the most part, I’ll just threaten to burn down your house in a cavalry raid.
Scratch where it itches.
by ReadingRambler on Jul 19, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
AAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! there is no Greenbow Alabama
and when you start throwing threats concerning our “praw-per-tie” we’ll be sure to introduce you to cousin Skeeter
who finds your mouth physically attractive, boy
People who live in glass houses should not hang out with Charles Barkley.
by Wallacewade04 on Jul 19, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, I'm frightened! I still haven't forgotten the glorious victories of Skeeter's ancestors, who were unstoppable!
Oh, wait! They weren’t unstoppable! They failed!

WHERE IS MY SUCK IT DOG, JESSEDOT?
Scratch where it itches.
by ReadingRambler on Jul 19, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
yes but you will still have been sexually abused by white trash
so… you know… I guess the “suck it” was during that
People who live in glass houses should not hang out with Charles Barkley.
by Wallacewade04 on Jul 19, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Why even bring this up?
Any self-respecting southerner should not be perpetuating the stereotypes shown in that movie!!!
This is BSD, the crazy stirs itself.
cause it's a joke
and Forest Gump is still more offensive in my opinion
plus that movie was about West Virginia hill billies – which these guys probably wouldn’t know the difference between deep south red necks and appalachian hill billies anyway so why not have some fun with jokes about moonshiners raping bros?
People who live in glass houses should not hang out with Charles Barkley.
by Wallacewade04 on Jul 19, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks, Paige.
Deliverance is set in SEC COUNTRY YOU DISGUSTING PERVERTS!
Scratch where it itches.
by ReadingRambler on Jul 19, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
And that's why I hate that movie.
It is sooo wrong. Georgia is not like that at all!
This is BSD, the crazy stirs itself.
Have you ever been to the mountains of North Georgia?
The movie does what movies do, it overreaches with everything, but the hill folk of the South aren’t the same as the rest of the South. For instance, East Tennessee was so staunchly Unionist during the Civil War that many of its people have been immortalized as the Bridge Burners.
Also, I can’t recall where to find this number (I saw it somewhere on Civil War Talk), but the Deep South states actually had something like 100,000 men fight in blue. I presume most of these came from the hill country, far away from the aristocrats who started a dumb fight.
Scratch where it itches.
by ReadingRambler on Jul 19, 2011 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
well Tennessee isn't in the Deep South
Deep south would refer to (from west to east) LA, MS, AL, GA, and SC…. and I guess the panhandle of FL. Though this region did have large numbers of unionists
many people wouldn’t fight for either side and some promised that they would live in the hills until the confederacy was over in at least one instance I believe it was promised they would live there until “moss grew on their back” so the hills were seen as a place where non confederate southerners could go to either fight or be conscientious objectors
HISTORY FACTS – F’ YEA!
People who live in glass houses should not hang out with Charles Barkley.
by Wallacewade04 on Jul 20, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
"Deep South" is like "New England"
it totally depends on who you talk to as to what the definition and borders are.
Some define New England as everything east of the Allegheny Mountains and north of the Mason-Dixon line (this would include State College, PA). Some define it as everything east of the Hudson River (this would not include State College, PA). So whatever.
is there anyway i can redeem myself, i was not sure if i should say "we" at that moment
by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yea but I'm IN the deep south
so I get to be picky haha but what I get what your saying
it’s all about not associating with Tennessee in any way possible
People who live in glass houses should not hang out with Charles Barkley.
by Wallacewade04 on Jul 20, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
haha so it is
still it’s in the alps which is completely different type of southern than me – it’s hill billy versus red necks
People who live in glass houses should not hang out with Charles Barkley.
by Wallacewade04 on Jul 20, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
HAHAHA the alps are in Georgia now
this is why you drink your coffee
its in APPALACHIA (and no i didn’t need google to spell that, seriously, not in the least bit)
People who live in glass houses should not hang out with Charles Barkley.
by Wallacewade04 on Jul 20, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Honestly, looking at the schedules
Who says PSU only plays Alabama once next year?
Especially if PSU wins a close one in Beaver Stadium
is there anyway i can redeem myself, i was not sure if i should say "we" at that moment
by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm amazed that schools that go through down years don't walk away
humbled and thankful when they do return to their expected standards. With all the things ‘bama had happen to them (vacating wins, etc) you’d think they’d be a little more humble.
I can understand expecting to win, or thinking your team is better in a given year. But for every game every year. Get real.
Also remember the ass-beating we put on them in ‘bama in 1986. We were so good. When the team arrived in Tuscaloosa on Friday, Joe met with the media. It had been raining all week, and one of the reporters asked Joe if he wished it would continue to rain so as to cut down Alabama’s speed. And in one of the greatest trash talking lines in any sport in any time, JOEPA, of all people, said, “Nah. We don’t want it to rain. That way they won’t have any excuses when we beat them.” Then we spotted Bama 3 points. And they never crossed midfield again.
46 DAYS 1 HOUR 12 MINUTES 18 SECONDS UNTIL KICKOFF!!!
Yeah but
when you’re in the top 10 all time in wins, have 2 MNCs in the last 20 years, and are coming off a 10-3 season that could aptly be labeled a “disappointment,” humility could easily come off as false.
is there anyway i can redeem myself, i was not sure if i should say "we" at that moment
by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously, I've met some majorly delusional Alabama fans.
In fact, I’m related to some majorly delusional Alabama fans. Most of the grads are better than the random fan. Most of the non-grad fans are jerks (in my experience).
This is BSD, the crazy stirs itself.
It says something about the Alabama, the University, and the South in general that I couldn’t tell the difference between fact and fiction.
I kid. Maybe.
"When I put on my uniform, I feel I am the proudest man on earth."
-Roberto
by blackjackfishtaco on Jul 19, 2011 11:13 AM EDT reply actions
I'm a Bama grad, and also went to grad school at Penn State
In general, I always found Penn State fans polite, friendly, and knowledgeable, save that most of you still insist that Preston Gothard was out of bounds in ’83. ;)
If you seriously thing that Bama fans particularly arrogant, you clearly haven’t been paying much attention your neighbors in Columbus.
Looking forward to a good game this fall!

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