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BREAKING: If you're in trouble with the NCAA, do not screw around with them. LSU self-imposed recruting restrictions and lost two scholarships as a result of an assistant coach's improper phone recruiting techniques back in 2008/09. The NCAA accepted LSU's penalties, and added one year of probation. Earlier this week, a lot of people were looking for a "bomb" to drop on an SEC West program, but this definitely isn't it. In their report, the NCAA COI made sure to applaud LSU's cooperation throughout the investigation. You hear that, Georgia Tech/Ohio State/USC/everybody? You can view the Public Infractions Report here. We have Les Miles' reaction to the COI's findings after the jump.
In case you were wondering, none of the infractions in this instance are related to LSU's relationship with Will Lyles. That investigation is still ongoing.
About that Marc Tyler thing. Yeah he's suspended from all team activities, the season opener and possibly longer. Considering USC's recent compliance issues, I'm sure AD Pat Haden was overjoyed that a senior that should know better got drunk and shot his mouth off, even if he was joking. I still think he should've been suspended based solely on his saying USC stands for "University of Sexual Ballers." Good to see that education put to good use, Marc.
Speaking of USC. Nebraska QB Cody Green will not be transferring there. Green, who's leaving Nebraska because he's scared to death of Bo Pelini of a change in offensive philosophy, will be transferring to either Baylor or Tulsa. Now Nebraska just has to make sure Bo and Carl don't combust due to contact with Taylor Martinez's father.
Pertinent! One of the bigger stories this off-season is recruiting camps, and whether they're going to drag college football to the same place that AAU has done to college basketball. Dan from the Solid Verbal is currently at the Nike Elite 11 QB camp in Malibu, taking meticulous notes on everything that goes on. I understand why recruiting camps organized and run by shoe companies makes people nervous, but dismissing these as EVIL and SLIMY without closer inspection is silly. What is clear, though, is that better oversight is necessary to keep the shady characters that absolutely do exist as far away as possible.
I mean, I'd be committed to the Big 12-2 too hahahahahahaha. The Texas A&M board of regents is meeting this week to discuss how they should respond to Texas and the Longhorn Network. Everyone involved seems to be toeing the company line about how they're committed to making the Big 12 work, and how they're not discussing their long-rumored move to the SEC. However, if I were A&M (or anyone in the Big 12 for that matter), I'd be ready to jump at any second if it would provide a more stable long term situation. The Longhorn Network is poised to make an already unbalanced conference even more unbalanced, and I wouldn't blame A&M one bit if they left the Big 12 because of it.
Well would you look at that! A story that doesn't make you feel dirty! Arizona WR Juron Criner has been cleared to go for this season after leaving the team earlier this summer due to mysterious medical/personal issues. There's been a lot of conjecture thrown about over this, but all that looks pointless right now. Criner is one of the most exciting wideouts in the country, and Arizona desperately needs him to be on top of his game for them to be competitive this year. Either that or lean on Mike Stoops' coaching acumen*.
Penn State should probably dust off the Al Golden weight lifting video. This is sure to turn the heads of recruits.
*Mike Stoops is a bad football coach. This is a terrible idea.
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The NCAA doesn't have the manpower to conduct investigations into 120 FBS programs (plus every other division that exists).
So it tasks its members with the job of self-compliance to a certain degree. Schools perform is because it’s almost inevitable that some violation (either minor or major) will happen, and when it does, they want to be able to say that (a) they were out in front of it, (b) they’re sorry, and © the NCAA shouldn’t have to waste precious resources on this stuff.
A 2 scholarship reduction in this case is totally reasonable. Schools like OSU, apparently Georgia Tech, etc., try to game the system and force the NCAA into serious punitive measures to deter other schools from gaming the system.
All I want to do is make the whole crowd bounce, y'all
As much as I want
Ohio State to be a good football team so that Penn State can beat a good football team… I feel the NCAA must really hit them hard. Yes, the media has covered it thoroughly, making the OSU scandal that much more sensational. But in my mind, big-time programs can’t bitch about “you’re only attacking us because we’re successful.” Being a big-time program comes with the increased risk that, should you fall, you will likely fall much harder and farther than lesser-prominent programs. That’s why, gawd forbid, if Penn State ever got nailed for something big, I’d expect some of the worse calls for punishments we’ve ever seen. Because when you’re a program that claims to pride itself in, uh, itself, then you’re hypocrisy become exponentially greater when you’re found to have cheated.
Is that at all coherent?
A Garden State Nittany Lion...
by Mike Pettigano on Jul 20, 2011 7:46 AM EDT up reply actions
*And I only mentioned OSU b/c it was in there, too. Not changing subject.
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by Mike Pettigano on Jul 20, 2011 7:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes
Though I don’t entirely agree with this:
Being a big-time program comes with the increased risk that, should you fall, you will likely fall much harder and farther than lesser-prominent programs.
Yes, a successful program has more to lose, even if cheating at a mediocre school would be just as “bad” on a moral scale. The point is that a winning program is going to be in the spotlight, for better and for worse. I think every college program strives to welcome the positive attention that comes from being successful, but at places like OSU, they apparently weren’t ready to accept the scrutiny that comes along with it.
by newenglandnittanylion on Jul 20, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Split the difference.
I think the actual punishment from the NCAA would be more lenient, but the public opinion hit would be much worse because it’s so unexpected.
by Chris Grovich on Jul 20, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Compromise!
Everyone gets a trophy!
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Compromise? You won’t flame many internet comment wars that way.
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by PSUinBOSSton on Jul 20, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
unpopular opinion
I don’t think Marc Tyler should have been suspended. He was drunk and joking (though I do believe they are paid). Saying something stupid is worthy of running laps, that is all. But if he’s suspended for the same amount of time as those who had committed egregious violations (ie, Tressel, Pryor), then something is fundamentally abstract with the way the NCAA and universities dictate what is right and wrong.
Joking around simply is not a violation, considering our dear JoePa joked about Tressel selling some jacket at a function before NCAA found him guilty.
"Life is no way to treat an animal"
I agree completely
He should get killed in practice and made an example from in front of his team, but that should be in punishment.
Let’s rehash. A legal adult got too drunk (I’ve been there, man), stupidly said stupid things to a group of leeches, all of which are regarded as not being true (well, at least the getting bread part). He did nothing that bad in reality. Hell, Brandon Ware said worse stuff on an hourly basis via twitter.
Brandon Ware should've been suspended for the garbage he was tweeting, too.
by Chris Grovich on Jul 20, 2011 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Totally.
Even if it’s just for half of a game. I don’t think it should be anything drastic, but enough for USC to acknowledge that the kid did something stupid, and move onward.
by Chris Grovich on Jul 20, 2011 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions
he (Ware) was constantly in the dog house and this may have been one of the reasons
and I agree. If, big if, USC is trying to repair the damage of the Bush/Carroll years then I wouldn’t be suprised if Haden has preached about this to the team and coaches. Joe was harder on guys after the fight crap, even for semi minor stuff because he had to, to maintain order. If USC needs to make an example of someone, this kid set himself up.
My grammer skills need improved.
I think Marc Tyler is a case of Depth Chart justice. He’s a pretty good talent but probably a person that USC can do without. Kind of like Pitt and Anthony Gonzales. Good potential but a “minimal contributor” in the short run. And…actually, I kind of agree with this activity. Now, at Notre Dame with Floyd, he’s a star, we need him on the field. Minor suspension.
Unfortunately, you need to make somebody an example to keep the rest on the team on their toes to be mature when they make comments to the media.
I used to be indecisive. Now I'm not sure.
Agree.
College kids for the most part get drunk and run their mouth. The guys do at least. Make it old school, have them take a bottle of Vlady’s to the face and run laps on a July afternoon. That’ll teach ’em good.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Jul 20, 2011 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions
BS!
Junny, just have them sit in a shed on TT’s campus in the dark….that’ll show ’em.
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by DerryPharmer on Jul 20, 2011 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions
But make sure their father
isn’t the kind of guy that would kill 5 hookers while at SMU
by OctaShields on Jul 20, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Also, what's being completely overlooked in this...
…is how ALL of the USC players are getting “in Kim Kardashian.” I mean, I’m not a scientist, but that’s…uh, no thanks.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Jul 20, 2011 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Kim used....
to “dance” at Streakers before she was legal. At least I think she did.
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by DerryPharmer on Jul 20, 2011 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Ha!
814 represent! I haven’t had to drive past there in quite a few years, but was recently at Antiochan Village for a wedding and my wife got a good laugh at the sign and the fact that it was BYOB.
Is that 814?
I was always under the impression all of those Rt. 22 places were 724/412 joints.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Jul 20, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
It may be now
But I grew up in Seward, and that whole area was 814 then.
I only remember because I could call Pleasant Valley golf course as a local call, but my high school, Laurel Valley, was a long distance call (formerly 412, now 724)
She should probably steer clear of Craig James then...
we wouldn’t want the hooker death toll to climb to 6
by dawsonPSU10 on Jul 20, 2011 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know..
I’ve never been a fan of forgiving behaviour because one was drunk at the time that behaviour happened. It sets up a slippery slope you just can’t get out of.
by misdreavus79 on Jul 20, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree
An individual chooses to imbibe that much and should bear the consequences of their actions that may result. Too many people think they can get away with something because “I drank too much.”
RIght
The bad decision was the drinking, not so much what you did when you were drinking.
/holierthanthou’d
Actually, that wasn't what I said
I said when they choose to drink that much, to the point where they are doing and/or saying stupid stuff, then they should bear the consequences of their actions.
The bad decision wasn’t drinking in the first place—it was drinking to the point that you are doing/saying stuff you wouldn’t do when you were sober.
Now if this is something Tyler would have said when stone-cold sober—that’s a whole ‘nother story. Then it’s just plain stupidity.
Seems about on par with the Dan Connor prank phone calls.
Drop to the scout team and take a beating in practice, sit on the bench for a few games, hopefully get the message, and then back in the lineup. Wherever “in the lineup” may be for Tyler. I can hear Joe saying, “He’s not suspended. He’s just not going to play for a while.”
If TMZ "sat" outside......
of every campus as with the “30 Mile Zone” of Cal’s schools, I’m sure th
ere would be at least one player on every squad that would be making stupid and drunken comments at one time or another. It just all depends on how valuable the kid is to the squad whether he’s suspended or terminated. It sure doesn’t help that U$C is already functioning under penalties from the NC2A.
"The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me God." The Government is like the Mob, you can check out, but never leave.
The thing is, USC uses the movie star thing as part of their recruiting
If you are going to attract kids that want that, you better teach them how to handle it.
My grammer skills need improved.
And that last sentence is why I think USC had to do *something* about Tyler.
by Chris Grovich on Jul 20, 2011 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Yup
If they’ve recently been in trouble for athletes receiving cash and other improper benefits, they need to take a strong stance when a kid who should know better runs his mouth off about how he’s receiving said improper benefits. Yeah he was drunk and probably kidding, but USC can’t afford to have this sort of nonsense going on right now.
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The exact same event was held at PSU about three months ago. They are solid showcases for area QBs, especially ones who might not have as much press as others around the country.
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I don't think the Elite 11 camps are the ones that are currently attracting the AAU type folks.
It will be good to monitor them for that element. The 7 on 7’s that Joe talked about are very different.
My grammer skills need improved.
Agreed.
The 7 on 7’s are walking a dangerous path. I’ve already read multiple reports of 7 on 7 coaches leading the recruitment for “their guys” and players saying that they’re looking to travel in groups. They’re not all bad, just like not all AAU is bad, but it’s definitely something to monitor.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Jul 20, 2011 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions
AAU is further along corruption-wise than 7-on-7's
But if the NCAA and college football programs don’t monitor these things closely enough, I fear 7-on-7’s may soon join AAU on the same level of sleaziness.
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It's not cheating when you do it on the Kiss-Cam.
Agreed
I think as a rough line to draw between the OK programs and the not OK ones is to look at what colleges allow to be held on campus. The Nike camps have been on college campuses for ages now. The 7-on-7 camps… not so much.
by newenglandnittanylion on Jul 20, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
That Clemson Video...
Was Stachetastic! I’m inspired to grow a mustache, wear short shorts and lift weights at a muscle and tendon ripping pace.
No kidding
I love that scene at the 1:03 mark where you can kinda see the entire weight room…and it’s just pure pandemonium. I can’t tell if it’s a weight room or a look inside of a 38 cylinder engine revving about 8000 rpm’s.
by snydo5976 on Jul 20, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm pretty sure that
that video alone just shattered the previous record high on the Unintentional Comedy Scale.
I like the fact that it's narrated by John Facenda.
It lends a certain amount of gravitas to the frenzied weight room scene.
Word on the street is you're a jerk, Mitchell.
Ever been to South Carolina?
Honestly, I didn’t know anyone actually liked Clemson until I went to visit an uncle down there a few years back. Funny thing is, to this day I have not met one person who likes Clemson that does not live in S.C.
One of my best friends from HS went to Clemson
We grew up in the suburbs of Philly in Delaware County. I still to this day don’t know why the hell he went there, but for some masochistic reason, he was a Clemson die-hard fan.
by dawsonPSU10 on Jul 20, 2011 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I heard a story came out yesterday
that detailed how Craig James killed 5 hookers while at SMU. Why wasn’t that linked to? Big news in my opinion.
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So if the following things are FACT
-It takes 3 licks to get to the center of a Tootsie Roll Pop
-Green Jello > Ohio St
-Craig James went to SMU
-There are hookers in Texas
Then how on earth am I just now hearing about Craig James killing 5 hookers while at SMU (allegedly)?? I mean even if Craig James allegedly killed 1 or 2 hookers while at SMU, that’s still news right??
Craig James killing 5 hookers while at SMU (allegedly) + BSD posters + Easton Baseball Bat = Dead Horse Paste
I like incoherent math with unrelated, tangible objects/people/jello.
Since you are talking horses and beating, then Craig James, alleged hooker killer, was part of the Pony Express backfield so I think that ties this all together.
My grammer skills need improved.
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