Oh, Hello: New Hampshire DB Jake Kiley Commits to Penn State
by Jeff Junstrom on Jul 26, 2011 2:10 PM EDT
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Jake Kiley, Ladies and Gentlemen!
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Home/HS: New Hampton, NH/The New Hampton School
Height: 6'1"
Weight: 170-175
Starz 'n Sheetz
Stars: NR (247Sports, Scout)
Offer sheet: No BCS Programs
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The Tale
Jake Kiley was an extended camp offer, meaning he impressed the staff enough at the Penn State Rising Senior Camp to earn an offer that wasn't extended until this week. Kiley joins Derek Dowrey and Austin Johnson as members of the Class of '12 to earn their scholarship offers via summer camp. And like Dowrey and Johnson, Kiley fills a position of dire need for the Penn State team. He projects as a cornerback once in college, even though he also played quarterback for The New Hampton School.
Outlook
Before getting into his specific talents, Kiley's greatest asset to the Class of 2012 is the fact that he plays in the defensive secondary. Even though the Lions are high on Armani Reeves' and Demetrious Cox's offer lists, their commitments are by no means certain. Thus, any commitment in the secondary is huge for Penn State, which has now taken two defensive backs in the past three (2010-2012) classes.
Kiley is a quick, hard-hitting cornerback who was smart and athletic enough to double as The Hampton School's quarterback. Playing in New Hampshire, his competition is pretty weak, but the film does show some flashes of greatness for the lanky senior-to-be. Putting weight on will be an immediate goal for Kiley, but the raw skills should be there once he gets to Penn State.
Some analysts and commenters have reservations, though. Like Dowrey and Johnson before him, Kiley's was an offer that likely could have waited while the staff scouted other potential defensive backs. The DB targets listed on last week's Friday Recruitin' remain the same, but Kiley's commitment either knocks one off or forces the staff to start looking at a five defensive back class (not necessarily a bad thing). He does not have any other Division 1 offers, though local UNH was recruiting him. UConn, Syracuse, and Boston College have all taken looks at Kiley, but none have extended an offer.
Whether he turns out to be a diamond in the rough remains to be seen; Penn State has been doing well in the northeast, so maybe they saw that certain something they were looking for during camp. He is a coach's son, and as we outlined in the Skyler Mornhinweg commitment, that is a good thing. He is obviously athletic enough to play two-way in high school, including quarterback. And he doesn't seem to be phased about walking onto the much larger stage of Beaver Stadium:
"I really like Penn State. Just the thought of playing in front of that many people, I think that would be great."
So for now, welcome Jake into the mix. Given the depth above him, he'll very likely have a chance to come in and compete right away.
Welcome to Happy Valley, Jake!
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Choosing Penn State over New Hampshire, my god!
by Chris Grovich on Jul 26, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And congrats kid
You made it tot he big-time, best of luck and welcome.
Elite enough for me.
Welcome
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But the starsssssssss
there are no starsssssss!
Welcome young Jake and may the staff land Cox or Reeves or both. As mentioned, the depth in the defensive backfield is anemic.
"I don’t know what he’s done differently, whether he’s eating differently or Sue is making him happier, but he’s definitely a different coach out there" Devon Still
Correct.
"Choosing Penn State over Stanford, my god!!" - rumple
by ReadingRambler on Jul 26, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Welcome!
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Happy for the kid and his family, and I hope he comes here and turns into an all-conference CB.
But I’ll be the bad guy on this one.
I really don’t like the lack of other FBS offers, not even from UConn, Syracuse, or BC. That’s a red flag. He went to UConn’s camp and they passed. We can play the LOL STARS DAMMIT game, but I’d almost expect that for a recruit in New Hampshire. The lack of offers is a concern, especially if the coaching staff is going for this kid in late July.
My question is
why does it seem to be so difficult for the staff to land secondary players? No problems with LBs or linemen, or even offensive skill players but it’s like pulling teeth to get a DB.
"I don’t know what he’s done differently, whether he’s eating differently or Sue is making him happier, but he’s definitely a different coach out there" Devon Still
DB recruiting isn't a big deal
We always pull in a bunch of speedy wideouts, and eventually a few of them prove to have stone hands. There’s your DB pipeline.
He was a solid enough CB.
If this kid turns out to have Lydell Sargeant’s career, I will be thrilled.
by Chris Grovich on Jul 26, 2011 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Yeah, Lydell was trrrrible...
A Garden State Nittany Lion...
by Mike Pettigano on Jul 27, 2011 5:30 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Many theories.
Most of them revolve around the passive cover 3 scheme PSU uses. The very best CB’s want to play press coverage — think of the best NFL CB’s. Revis Island and all that. Penn State doesn’t really ask that of its defensive backs, ever.
If you were one of the best high school WR’s in the country, you probably wouldn’t want to play in Paul Johnson’s triple option offense, either.
by Chris Grovich on Jul 26, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
That's true
and a fair point. In that respect, the coaches might not place as high a priority on DBs. Think of the Giants during their superbowl run. It was all predicated on a nasty front 7 and just asked the DBs not to get killed.
"I don’t know what he’s done differently, whether he’s eating differently or Sue is making him happier, but he’s definitely a different coach out there" Devon Still
That gives me some pause, too,
but I’ll be honest, I like what I see on that tape. Everything he does looks really decisive, and he moves (and hits) with conviction and confidence. He doesn’t float around or scramble around for the sake of scrambling, he seems to make a decision and act quickly. I like that. And I think that will really benefit him in the secondary.
Lack of Stars and offers is probably largely attributed to being in New Hampshire
Not exactly the Houston, Miami, San Diego, Cleveland, or Pittsburgh areas when it comes to producing talent. I give the benefit of the doubt to the PSU staff over the stargazers until I have good reason to do otherwise, but yeah, not all that exciting.
That being said, this could be a backup-type offer with the hopes of not scaring off Cox or Reeves. Perhaps the staff saw an opportunity to get a solid plan B guy and had the schollie available and said why not. I don’t know. Maybe.
Welcome, Jake. Make the stargazers look stupid.
is there anyway i can redeem myself, i was not sure if i should say "we" at that moment
by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure either.
But I’ll say this — there’s an obvious need for DB’s at this point, so if the coaching staff had Kiley as one their top four or five remaining targets, why not reach out to him now? I get that side of the argument, at least.
by Chris Grovich on Jul 26, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
pure speculation
but this might be a kid who wants to play qb, unless he can go with the big boys (like us), and so he wouldn’t go to uconn or another northeastern school unless he was going as a qb…
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
Looks like PSU is going heavier on the camp offers this year
I know the staff has followed that strategy in the past, but my memory is hazy on how that worked out. Can anyone enlighten me?
by PSU Mudder on Jul 26, 2011 2:30 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I don't like the lack of bcs offers
but I can’t argue with a guy the coaches got to see first hand. if he shows something in camp and has good game film, I’ll lean towards trusting the coaches.
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by skarocksoi on Jul 26, 2011 2:47 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Like Dowrey and Johnson before him, Kiley’s was an offer that likely could have waited while the staff scouted other potential defensive backs.
Are we really going to go down this road again?
by misdreavus79 on Jul 26, 2011 3:03 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Wait
Not to go down the road again, but what exactly was wrong with that comment?
The next 2 paragraphs are very positive, as was the paragraph before that. Seems like you are just picking something out to make whatever point you were trying to make.
Dowrey and Johnson weren't B list recruits that can wait to get an offer.
Those guys all had FBS offers to other schools. If you’re a kid that doesn’t get to camps or hit the national scene by the time you’re a sophomore chances are you aren’t going to get OMG STARZ, but it doesn’t mean you can’t play. I don’t know a lot about this kid, but the other two were front line options for other schools.
As an 8 year old boy meeting JoePa:
Me: Coach, I really am a big fan of Penn State
Joe: Glad to hear that
Me: I am also a big Notre Dame fan as well
Joe: Son, you can only be a fan of one or the other, not both. Make sure that you pick a winner.
by PSUfanDuff on Jul 26, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
My point was not that they're saying he's not good enough
And although in this same paragraph he talks about how Kiley’s doesn’t have any D1 offers, and how certain schools “only have taken looks”, what I was trying to say is that this shouldn’t matter, because the staff knows more than we do, and we should trust them to make the right choice, just like the last time when people implied that Dowrey and Johnson could have waited.
by misdreavus79 on Jul 26, 2011 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
How about presenting a counter argument to that statement?
Instead of cherry picking it out of the whole post and jumping on it.
Counter argument:
Dowrey and Johnson were evaluated by the staff, and the staff thought they deserved an offer now.
So let’s drop the “this kid and that kid and the other kid could have waited to get an offer while we looked for bigger fish”.
If the staff offered, I’m going to trust that they’ll pan out until they prove the staff wrong.
But thanks for assuming I was just cherry picking an argument for the sake of arguing.
by misdreavus79 on Jul 26, 2011 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
What do NH high schools
have against bleachers on both sides of the field?
Word on the street is you're a jerk, Mitchell.
One thing…his schollie to PSU is probably worth less than his schollie (assuming he is getting help to go to an uppity private school in NE) at Hampton. The interweb says the cost at Hampton is $44K for boarders and $26K for townies!
However, I think he is OK and will contribute to the Lions. He’s lean and can put on muscle. I would imagine he is intelligent and has been challenged academically at Hampton.
Welcome, Jake.
I used to be indecisive. Now I'm not sure.
Besides, Jake is a good name for a FB player. Just sounds rough, tough and “down and diry”. I like kids with names like Jake or Spider or Mack or Buck. Too many Chase’s, Tate’s, Cade’s, and Cody’s out there today.
I used to be indecisive. Now I'm not sure.
So you're suggesting a name change to Killer Mornhinweg?
by Chris Grovich on Jul 26, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Absolutely, unequivocably, unqualified: YES
is there anyway i can redeem myself, i was not sure if i should say "we" at that moment
by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Skyler = Sissy
Schuyler = Harvard sissy
"Choosing Penn State over Stanford, my god!!" - rumple
by ReadingRambler on Jul 27, 2011 8:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Beats me, but
Sissy Spacek named her daughter Schuyler. I only know this because she lives south of Charlottesville and I used to see her there once in a while.
Well…..Bruce (Bannon and Clark) has been a pretty good PSU name. Lance (Mehl) was a good one too!!
I used to be indecisive. Now I'm not sure.
True story:
The first week of my freshman year in Pinchot (East Halls), a delivery guy from Munchies (College Ave. eatery back then) showed up declaring he had a cheesesteak delivery for a ‘Lance Male’. Lance Male? MWAhahaha! Lance Male!! Who would even take a name like that seriously? It was blatantly obvious that the delivery guy and Munchies got well and truly played.
We called each other Lance Male all week. We were hilarious x 2.
Then we got to the stadium, and someone noticed a Lance Mehl in the program.
Huh. We checked him out in the student directory, and the guy lived 2 floors above us. Solid looking dude, too.
Just goes to show ya………something. Maybe.
'People are about as happy as they decide they want to be'
by Pete the Streak on Jul 27, 2011 5:22 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I know, but your post about the names reminded me of a Simpsons episode...
From the one that featured John Waters and Homer worrying that he (Waters) was turning Bart gay….
Homer on gays : They’re embarrassing me. They’re embarrassing America. They turned the Navy into a floating joke. They ruined all our best names like Bruce, and Lance, and Julian. Those were the toughest names we had! Now they’re just, uh …
John : Queer?
Homer : Yeah, and that’s another thing! I resent you people using that word. That’s our word for making fun of you! We need it!
Word on the street is you're a jerk, Mitchell.
Star hunters
Did you watch the video before commenting? Probably not because of some of your comments. What I saw was a kid willing to give up his body to be tackled , or to tackle. This is diffidently a kid who should make a difference. Plus the fact he played QB ,and should have a great understanding of offensive schemes. Welcome aboard Jake.
Some things on the video
Excellent at setting up blocks, excellent vision, great agility.
is there anyway i can redeem myself, i was not sure if i should say "we" at that moment
by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I watched the video, and he's raw.
He seems to be tough, and aggressive. But he’s also playing lesser competition than he will be in the Big Ten. He also had some trouble on some coverage plays. No one’s tape is perfect, though.
Like I said, he’s a DB, and that alone would give him a bump of a star or two for PSU ratings.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Jul 26, 2011 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Nobody is perfect. However, seems like your highlight tape should be!
I’m OK with this. Just hope we can get a couple of real “blue chippers”!
I used to be indecisive. Now I'm not sure.
That's what we're all hoping.
Hoping Armani Reeves, Demetrious Cox, Malik Golden (despite the confusion last weekend) and Mike Tyson come aboard, or the staff get after some other top guys. This team is going to be hurting for DBs in 2012 and beyond.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Jul 26, 2011 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
What was this confusion you speak of?
"I don’t know what he’s done differently, whether he’s eating differently or Sue is making him happier, but he’s definitely a different coach out there" Devon Still
Malik had a scheduled visit last weekend.
He began the trip with his parents, and contacted the coaches. They told Malik that some of the coaches were on vacation and that he should reschedule the visit. He was forced to turn around and head back home.
Two things, though: 1) Malik has said they were in New York, which could still be early in the trip, so it’s not like they were heading down 322 when he called; and 2) both sides admit to a miscommunication, and that a future trip is being scheduled.
It doesn’t appear to be anyone’s fault, but is also concerning nonetheless.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Jul 27, 2011 7:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for the info
I was away from the interwebs last week and didn’t know that. Thankfully he doesn’t seem too worked up about it. As you said, it is concerning yet, hopefully he’ll commit and it won’t end up meaning anything.
"I don’t know what he’s done differently, whether he’s eating differently or Sue is making him happier, but he’s definitely a different coach out there" Devon Still
If he would have used that OOOOH WAH AH AH AH song for his highlight video, everyone would overlook these flaws.
made with the highest British attention to the wrong detail
I take it you saw the president's national address last night, too.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
OK I just did on the YouTube.
That makes sense.
Also it reminded me how horrifying the world of YouTube comments is. Even the black people who comment on YouTube don’t like black people.
made with the highest British attention to the wrong detail
Youtube comments
Going off of those, you’d think the entire country was comprised of a bunch or redneck, racist, neo-nazis.
by dawsonPSU10 on Jul 27, 2011 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions
This train of though should probably stop here...
…but, I thought the entire country was.
A Garden State Nittany Lion...
by Mike Pettigano on Jul 27, 2011 5:33 AM EDT up reply actions
There's an old contest
Try to make a YouTube comment so stupid and/or offensive that it’s obvious you’re joking. YOU CAN’T DO IT.
by newenglandnittanylion on Jul 27, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Black white supremicist?
Where’s Chappelle when you need him?
"I don’t know what he’s done differently, whether he’s eating differently or Sue is making him happier, but he’s definitely a different coach out there" Devon Still
People actually watch those things?
"Choosing Penn State over Stanford, my god!!" - rumple
by ReadingRambler on Jul 27, 2011 8:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I mean, like, aside from pretentious and overpaid and bored pundits?
"Choosing Penn State over Stanford, my god!!" - rumple
by ReadingRambler on Jul 27, 2011 8:03 AM EDT up reply actions
See this was my thought but then I had to make sense of a reply to a post I made on an internet sports comment board and all that went out the window.
made with the highest British attention to the wrong detail
by WorldBFat on Jul 27, 2011 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
NOOO
"Choosing Penn State over Stanford, my god!!" - rumple
by ReadingRambler on Jul 27, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't.
But if Barry came out to Disturbed, yelling “Oooo ah ah ah ah… uh uh… uh uh…” I’d have given him two or three minutes of my time. Plus, it would have made the Republican reply more entertaining, provided the Republicans responded with interpretive dance.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
Congratulations!
I for one can’t wait to see Mr Kiley turn some of those O$U tats black and blue with his Killer hits.
Twss
Damn auto correct
by Milne4heisman94 on Jul 26, 2011 10:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
She sounds hot.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
by MainLion on Jul 26, 2011 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I dont know a lot about schemes and thangs...
but I feel like offense is much different than offense in personal usage wise.
What I mean by this is that, sure a top tier wideout would basically not contribute at all to a triple option offense, and there’s pretty much no way to utilize that wideout’s ability in that type of offense at all.
In defense, if we pull a top tier corner, couldn’t we have him play man against their best receiver and have everyone still play zone?
If only...
In defense, if we pull a top tier corner, couldn’t we have him play man against their best receiver and have everyone still play zone?
We play cover-two/cover-three to a fault, with the corners playing their typical ten-yard-bubble. Their goal is to be serviceable (Bend But Don’t Suck) while the front line gets pressure and forces mistakes.
That doesn’t mean we can’t or don’t or won’t have great corners (see Lynn, D’Anton). But you aren’t going to see “Revis Island” corners.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Jul 27, 2011 6:26 AM EDT up reply actions
I just did a little “look back”. D. Revis was a 3 star corner coming out of HS (both Rivals and Scout). Scout said he only had offers from Pitt, WVU and Kansas (IIRC Kansas was on a bit of a run back then!). Rivals had more offers listed: Pitt, WVU, Kansas, PSU, Michy St., Duquense, Western Kentucky. But, from his offer sheet, didn’t seem to be highly recruited. Also, he was rated the 38th best CB that year and only ranked 25 best HS player in PA. He was listed as 6’ 180# and looked like a basketball player.
Now, I am sure Scout and Rivals, et al. have much more info today than in 2004. Also, Revis might have told a lot of schools that he was staying in the area (he was from Alliquippa). So, that might have kept the national guys away.
However, it goes to show there is a lot of “specultaion” in these ratings/rankings and the final offers that go out. Like many before me have said, “Ask me in 2014-2015 if this was a good offer”. The staff have “worked him out” and have seen his measurables in person. That seems better than watching a highlight reel or a random game.
I used to be indecisive. Now I'm not sure.
Here's a question I just pondered:
We’re Khairi Fortt and Silas Redd the first major recruits we’ve signed out of the North Northeast, or just the most highly touted?
With the success of both Fortt and Redd last season as true freshman, it seems like we’ve tapped into this far North pipeline of quality prospects that never seemed to exist before. Then again, I’ve only loosely followed recruiting by reading here, so I may be totally out of my element.
I'm sure there were more.
But I get that feeling too. We’re looking more and New York and above recently. Redd and Fortt in ’10, hopefully Williams, Reeves, Kiley, and Severin in ’12…seems to be a increasingly growing strategy.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Jul 27, 2011 6:28 AM EDT up reply actions
They aren't from the north northeast.
They are from the tri-state area.
Now Jake Kiley, he’s from the north northeast.
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by PSUinBOSSton on Jul 27, 2011 7:34 AM EDT up reply actions
THAT'S WHY HE SUCKS!
PICKING JAKE KILEY OVER DARRELLE REVIS, MY GOD, PATERNO!!
"Choosing Penn State over Stanford, my god!!" - rumple
by ReadingRambler on Jul 27, 2011 8:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
Silas is from Norwalk, Fortt is from Stamford… both under an hour from Manhattan. Technically New England, but pretty close to the border.
by newenglandnittanylion on Jul 27, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
From what I can tell, the chief similarity between CT and real New England is taxes.
"Choosing Penn State over Stanford, my god!!" - rumple
by ReadingRambler on Jul 27, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Alright, but just for clarification sake
For PSU typical recruiting grounds, I consider Northeast being PA, NY, NJ, MD, and DE. Anything above that is North Northeast.
Way to completely disregard the lustful history of the Mid-Atlantic.
Pssh.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
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