Ohio State Responds to NCAA Allegations
by jtothep on Jul 8, 2011 1:52 PM EDT
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The Columbus Dispatch has obtained a copy of Ohio State's response to the NCAA. Punishment Ohio State did self-impose: vacated 2010 wins and placed the football team on a two-year probation. The article does not spell out exactly what either of those functionally mean, if anything. Punishment Ohio State did not self-impose: loss of scholarships and a post-season ban. Predictably, Ohio State continues to operate from behind their stellar web of plausible deniability and have fully scapegoated Jim Tressel as the lone outlier:
"The responsibility is upon Tressel. No other institutional personnel were aware" of the violations, and the former coach failed in his obligation to report them, the response says. "The institution is embarrassed by the actions of Tressel."
The Dispatch article doesn't provide a link to the full response, so only a few quotable tidbits are available, but here is another:
The university concedes it is a "repeat violator" of NCAA regulations but contends that its "corrective and punitive actions are appropriate" and asks that the football program be spared additional punishment. OSU also reported that it sought the resignation of Tressel, who departed on May 30. Until athletic director Gene Smith acknowledged that fact yesterday, Ohio State officials had repeatedly said that Tressel was not forced out.
A quick timeline review of the violations process:
- 4/25/11: NCAA delivers Notice of Allegations
- 7/8/11: Ohio State delivers its 'response' for the NCAA to consider
- 8/12/11: Ohio State to appear before the NCAA's Committee on Infractions
Up next for the rest of us in the popcorn.gif: watch to see if the NCAA agrees that these 'punishments' are sufficient.
*UPDATE: Doc Sat's Graham Watson on the curious case of Gene Smith vis a vis Tressel's support and resignation.
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1. Michigan: 877-304-38
2. Texas: 845-321-34
3. Notre Dame: 837-291-42
4. Nebraska: 827-341-41
5. Ohio State: 819-308-53
6. Alabama: 813-316-43
7. Penn State 812-351-43
8. Oklahoma: 796-305-53
9. Tennessee: 783-333-55
10. USC: 774-307-54
jtothetweet
"Hate doesn't give a damn about tactics or stategy. Hate cares only about hate." --rosswbhgp
thanks but.....
Alabama has 802 wins.. they had to vacate their wins from 2007
Sniggity
I don’t have a good personal list, updated, and the googlemachine’s suckin a little right now.
jtothetweet
"Hate doesn't give a damn about tactics or stategy. Hate cares only about hate." --rosswbhgp
From PSU's pre-Outback Bowl game notes
1. Michigan . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .883
2. Texas . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .850
3. Notre Dame . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .844
4. Nebraska . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .837
5. Ohio State . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .830
6. PENN STATE . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .818
7. Oklahoma . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .810
8. Alabama . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .801
So, OSU won 1 then lost 12 since this list was made, so they have 819
by newenglandnittanylion on Jul 8, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
No, they would have 818.
The regular season wins were vacated, and so was the Sugar Bowl. (Vacated wins don’t count as losses, and losses to teams who vacate wins still count, so Penn State would also apparently be at 818).
Be the change you wish to see in the world.
How do you figure?
The Sugar Bowl was win number 831, the 12th win for the 2010 season. 831-12=819. Number of losses is not a factor in anything.
by newenglandnittanylion on Jul 8, 2011 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, you're right. And I'm wrong.
DERPY DERPY DERP DERPITY DERP.
Be the change you wish to see in the world.
I'm making fun of myself, not him.
Really.
Be the change you wish to see in the world.
Hair trigger!
"Man, Oklahoma sucks." - Ki-Jana Carter
by ReadingRambler on Jul 8, 2011 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
My dislike is not a secret.
And in this case, I’d rather shoot first, ask questions later.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
I hate to repeat anything I first heard from Junny, but that’s classic internet tough guy behavior. Since I don’t want to post any picture he posted before, I made my own:
It’s not going to fit, but what do I care (That’s what he said)?
"Man, Oklahoma sucks." - Ki-Jana Carter
by ReadingRambler on Jul 9, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
"Man, Oklahoma sucks." - Ki-Jana Carter
by ReadingRambler on Jul 9, 2011 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Witness trees I’ll give you. Fruit trees I respectfully disagree,
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
by MainLion on Jul 10, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No loss of scholarships, no bowl game ban...
no punishment. A joke. They just don’t get it.
I just don't want to die without a few scars. ~Chuck Palahniuk, Fight Club, Chapter 6
Well
You can’t really expect that they are going to self-impose scholarship losses and post season bowl bans. Now if the NCAA doesn’t do that, then I have given up on college athletics and will have to find something else this fall to do while I drink beer.
I've spent most of my money and booze, birds, and fast cars. The rest I wasted.
this
I am pretty sure NCAA will impose scholarship reductions…
Hopefully a bowl ban too
"Go to Hell, Michigan Football"
by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Jul 8, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
OSU vs. USC
I have no doubt that USC was doing far worse things than even OSU, but the fact remains that USC’s players clearly possessed a higher average IQ and the program had fewer loose lips. Seems like the OSU players were blatantly more stupid about what they did and with whom they associated.
I look for the NCAA to lower the boom on OSU. I have a buddy who lives in Columbus and lives for OSU football. Even he thinks OSU is going to get blasted.
Link to full reports
http://www.osu.edu/news/ncaadocs/
Losing a game is heartbreaking. Losing your sense of excellence or worth is a tragedy.
Joe Paterno
Awesome, thanks!
jtothetweet
"Hate doesn't give a damn about tactics or stategy. Hate cares only about hate." --rosswbhgp
I don't know why I'm letting it get to me
Part of me is mad because they are just so… what’s the word I’m looking for David Jones? Unctuous!… about the whole thing and part of me is mad that I’m surprised at all that they wouldn’t impose harsher penalties on themselves. I’m too old to be naive, and yet the… unctuousness of the whole thing still bothers me.
I just don't want to die without a few scars. ~Chuck Palahniuk, Fight Club, Chapter 6
by LB31Monster on Jul 8, 2011 2:13 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
wait...!!!! this means
OSU still has record of 0-9 against SEC teams in Bowl games? yay~
by mook1525 on Jul 8, 2011 2:13 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
not sure, since they only vacated 2010 wins.
I wouldn’t be suprised if they keep the bowl win under the guise of the NCAA approved the player’s participation.
My grammer skills need improved.
ESPN reporting
Ohio State is vacating its wins from the 2010 football season, including its share of the Big 10 championship and the Buckeyes’ victory over Arkansas in the 2011 Sugar Bowl.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6749330
Losing a game is heartbreaking. Losing your sense of excellence or worth is a tragedy.
Joe Paterno
by skellerdweller on Jul 8, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Sugar Bowl
I think they vacated Sugar Bowl win too..but I could be wrong. hope their record stays at 0-9 forever lol
I’d rather enjoy seeing them go to BCS bowl games and keep losing, honestly…
"When I put on my uniform, I feel I am the proudest man on earth."
-Roberto
by blackjackfishtaco on Jul 8, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Looks like Tressel is taking it on the chin for OSU...
Reading his response, it is obvious to me that there is some collusion between Tres and OSU. You cannot convince me that Tressel volunteered to take it up the aess without some prior lubing/incentive ($$$$). No way can I believe that, especially after the way Gene Smith and Gee were so staunchly in his corner up until the end…and now, they are throwing him under the bus? How honorable. Hope the NCAA sees through that steamy pile of BS.
I agree with u
I find this way too funny.
by mook1525 on Jul 8, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with u
I find this way too funny
My grammer skills need improved.
by BMAN13 on Jul 8, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
I agree with u
I find this way too funny.
by nylyst on Jul 8, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I agree with u
I find this way too funny.
He died as he lived: soiled and splayed.
by icavalera on Jul 8, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I agree with u
I find this way too funny.
by dawsonPSU10 on Jul 8, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
DAMN SERVERS
This is BSD, the crazy stirs itself.
by Paige2PSU on Jul 8, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I find what you state to be akin to my own sensibilities,
and furthermore, see an excessive amount of humor in the whole bit
is there anyway i can redeem myself, i was not sure if i should say "we" at that moment
by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
by ckmneon on Jul 8, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I agree with u
I don't find this funny in the least
I know hippies. I've hated them all my life. I've kept this town free of hippies on my own since I was five and a half.
by psupride on Jul 8, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I do not not agree with you
and thusly, I discover this to be humerous
"I want to be remembered as an ambassador of Penn State University. I want people to remember me not only athletically but for my character too. It’s important that I play well, but I want people to remember me for who I was as a person." ~Silas Redd
by jman07 on Jul 8, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'm Spartacus.
WorldBFat is 29, single, and only sweats two things: perfecting his sound and South East Asia.
by WorldBFat on Jul 8, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
I'm Kramer.
Editor at BT Powerhouse, a Big Ten Basketball blog.
Author at Acme Packing Company, a Green Bay Packers blog
"If you don't tell him what he wants to hear, he's going to find you out. And when he does, they're going to tear your head off and throw your BODY OUT OF AN AIRLOCK!" - Number Six, "Bastille Day"
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jul 9, 2011 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
The NCAA is going to smack OSU upside the head to make a point.
I also think it’s interesting that the NCAA now has 9 new openings in enforcement. Seems like they’re ramping up for something.
I ain't from Dallas, but I D-Town boogie
@AdamCollyer
A new level of being hilarious inept?
I've spent most of my money and booze, birds, and fast cars. The rest I wasted.
What do you think the salary is
for a position like “Assistant Director of Enforcement (Investigations)”?
This is BSD, the crazy stirs itself.
No idea, but I imagine it's decent money
Especially since money goes further in Indianapolis than my current locale.
I ain't from Dallas, but I D-Town boogie
@AdamCollyer
by Adam Collyer on Jul 9, 2011 10:26 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No idea, but I imagine it's decent money
Especially since money goes further in Indianapolis than my current locale.
I ain't from Dallas, but I D-Town boogie
@AdamCollyer
by Adam Collyer on Jul 9, 2011 10:26 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
So they are throwing tressel under the bus to the NCAA
but behind closed doors they are doing this
Former Ohio State football coach Jim Tressel asked the university to allow him to retire instead of resign so he could be a Buckeye for the rest of his life, his attorney, Rex Elliott, said this afternoon.
“It leaves no doubt about his love for Ohio State and his desires to be a Buckeye forever,” Elliott said.
Tressel officially retired from Ohio State on June 30, according to an agreement outlining his terms of departure that was signed today by the former coach and OSU President E. Gordon Gee.
Ohio State announced his resignation as head coach on May 30 amid increasingly bad publicity after Gee had proclaimed that Tressel wouldn’t be fired even though had not revealed that he knew that at least two of his players had sold football memorabilia or traded them for tattoos, which are NCAA violations.
His contract was to expire on Jan. 31, 2015. If he had stayed, Tressel would have received about $3.6 million for the coming season.
Besides agreeing to change his resignation to retirement, Ohio State backed off its vow to collect a $250,000 fine for violating NCAA rules. Tressel argued that he had paid enough, Elliott said.
“Stepping down after 10 years as the Buckeyes’ head coach will cost him far more than $250,000,” he said.
Before his resignation, Tressel was to have been sanctioned with a five-game suspension in addition to being fined.
Instead, the university will pay him $52,250 – the equivalent of the salary and benefits he would have earned through the end of June 30th.
OSU’s decision to drop the fine goes against an assertion by Gee last month that Tressel would be required to pay no matter what the other terms of his departure were.
What an absurdity. If OSU really believed the responsibility lied only with Tressel, wouldn’t they want to punish him for the tarnish he put on the program instead of changing the status of his resignation to retirement so he could be paid and failing to collect on the fine they imposed on him “no matter what”?
I dont even blame OSU fans anymore, their administration is so incompetent on the matter there is no way for them to know what to think.
If you break the rules but are at a high enough level . . .
you always get to “retire” and keep your benefits. Funny how that works.
its not just that he retired
its that it was all a charade. he resigns, then when no one is looking they switch it to retirement so he is not actually punished. its insulting.
by swiggy04 on Jul 9, 2011 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
No
is there anyway i can redeem myself, i was not sure if i should say "we" at that moment
by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The problem is not every site does so I just don’t use it in general practice. But I will remember that for next time.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Sarcasm or no sarcasm
RichRod always loses
is there anyway i can redeem myself, i was not sure if i should say "we" at that moment
by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
by ckmneon on Jul 8, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Fact
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
by EREX21 on Jul 8, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
This came to mind when I looked at that photo for the hundredth time
My apologies if someone has already done this (or done it better)…
by Smee on Jul 8, 2011 3:38 PM EDT reply actions 12 recs
Thats fantastic
I've spent most of my money and booze, birds, and fast cars. The rest I wasted.
by psuphysicist on Jul 8, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'd rec the Three Stooges infinitely if I could.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
It's the last time you're gonna see these
is there anyway i can redeem myself, i was not sure if i should say "we" at that moment
by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There's been a lot of lying at Ohio State.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
Do not be afraid to ride her. Hard.
is there anyway i can redeem myself, i was not sure if i should say "we" at that moment
by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sigh.
The answer is:
“And a lot of love.”
To which I reply:
“More lies.”
If you’re going to play with BOSS and me, you need to move from the JV to the V.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
Yeah, that's if I were all that interested in sense making
I just sorta throw ’em out there
is there anyway i can redeem myself, i was not sure if i should say "we" at that moment
by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, then ckmneon can get the hell out of this office! You get the hell out!
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
If I could take off my assistant's skirt for a second
and put on my analrapist pant suit
is there anyway i can redeem myself, i was not sure if i should say "we" at that moment
by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I feel like the only way we can calm Rambler down in a debate
is some afternoon delight. You know, slip it in his brownie.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
This is not......
the “afternoon delight” that I’m familiar with.
"The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me God." The Government is like the Mob, you can check out, but never leave.
Derry, I recommend watching the full series of Arrested Development as soon as possible
is there anyway i can redeem myself, i was not sure if i should say "we" at that moment
by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
by ckmneon on Jul 8, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
A clip, without video.
Your confusion as to the definition of “afternoon delight” is not misplaced at all.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
I won't be calmed down until Mike figures out what an act of war is.
"Man, Oklahoma sucks." - Ki-Jana Carter
by ReadingRambler on Jul 8, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I've written 2 songs for the War of Southern Delusions EP
is there anyway i can redeem myself, i was not sure if i should say "we" at that moment
by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good. Let me see them.
"Man, Oklahoma sucks." - Ki-Jana Carter
by ReadingRambler on Jul 9, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Can we include this song Lincoln wrote?
Halleck wonders why
I write you all of the time
What can I say
I don’t feel the need
To give such secrets away
You think maybe I need help
Yes, I know that you’re right
I’m just better off
Not listening to Henry’s advice
When Meade insists on knowing my bliss
I tell him this
When they want to know
What the reason is
I only smile when I lie
Then I tell them why
(Because Ulyss) Ulyss
Is on my list
(Because Ulyss) Ulyss
Is on my list
Because Ulyss is on my list
Of the best things in life
(Because Ulyss) Ulyss
Is on my list
Because Ulyss) Ulyss
I can’t resist
Because your kiss is on my list
When I turn out the light
I go crazy wondering
What generals really see
Did pursuit just take up Meade’s time
‘Cause it means more to Lee
Sometimes I forget what I’m doing
I don’t forget the total war I want
Regret what I’ve done
Regret you
I couldn’t go on
And if you insist
On knowing my bliss
I’ll tell you this
If you want to know
What the reason is
I’ll only smile when I lie
Then I’ll tell you why
(Because Ulyss) Ulyss
Is on my list
Because Ulyss) Ulyss
I can’t resist
Because Ulyss is what I miss
I can’t spare one who fights
Listen, Grant
(Because Ulyss) Ulyss
Is on my list
(Because Ulyss) Ulyss
Is on my list
Because Ulyss is on my list
Of the best things in life
Oh, man (Because Ulyss) Ulyss
Is on my list
(Because Ulyss) Ulyss
Lee can’t resist
Because Ulyss is on my list
Of the best things in life
"Man, Oklahoma sucks." - Ki-Jana Carter
by ReadingRambler on Jul 9, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
That's a B-sides collection or hidden track
is there anyway i can redeem myself, i was not sure if i should say "we" at that moment
by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
by ckmneon on Jul 9, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Lovely.
Be the change you wish to see in the world.
Way Funny!
I was debating whether or not Smith should be wearing the Larry head instead of Curly. But they are all pretty much interchangable so I guess it doesn’t matter. But Moe and Larry were always there, but Curly was replaced by several others. So maybe . . .
But Moe is a great Gee!
"I don't expect to win enough games to be put on NCAA probation. I just want to win enough to warrant an investigation." Bob Devaney, Saginaw native, Alma College Grad ('39), oh, and he did some stuff at Nebraska (11 seasons Head Coach, 101-20-2, 2 National Championships, 26 years as Athletic Director.)
by PreachinTotheChoir on Jul 9, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Vacating victories is the stupidest of all NCAA penalties/concessions.
It’s akin to spending a week in Hawaii, enjoying the sights and spirits, and them coming home and telling everyone to pretend it didn’t happen. I truly hope the NCAA wipes out a busload of scholarships.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
The NCAA doesn't have hiring and firing power
is there anyway i can redeem myself, i was not sure if i should say "we" at that moment
by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Some things I think, I think will happen....
tO$U will not get burnt any further cuz, they are tO$U! Tressel as I mentioned before will get a nice pile of casheroonie as a settlement from the boosters, et al…….Gee and Smith MUST be fired….and lastly at this time, I met the original 3-Stooges and please don’t compare them to the assw#pes in Columbus——they may have portrayed morons and imbeciles, but the idiots at tO$U are not devoid of intelligence, and it takes real onions to pull off the crap that they did with a straight face, self-imposed penalties not withstanding.
"The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me God." The Government is like the Mob, you can check out, but never leave.
Okay.
Thank you for expressing that opinion.
Be the change you wish to see in the world.
He's righter than you.
So suck it.
"Man, Oklahoma sucks." - Ki-Jana Carter
by ReadingRambler on Jul 8, 2011 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd rather not.
I just have disdain for O$U, U$C, P$U… basically every “clever” phrase that has a dollar sign instead of an S. If he’d clean up his syntax, I’d take him more seriously. For him, good grammar needs learned.
Be the change you wish to see in the world.
Derry knew what was going to happen at tOSU before the Columbus Dispatch did.
I’d watch your language, particularly because I wouldn’t want to end up face-down in the middle of an irrigation ditch in Westmoreland County.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
by MainLion on Jul 9, 2011 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
What could Derry do to him?...do you have anything single malt?
is there anyway i can redeem myself, i was not sure if i should say "we" at that moment
by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's just it.
I don’t know what Derry’s capable of. He’s this blog’s Chuck Norris, but with evidence to back up the claims.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
Bugger off.
"Man, Oklahoma sucks." - Ki-Jana Carter
by ReadingRambler on Jul 9, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
For one, the man's old.
You can’t teach an old man new tricks. Second of all, those outsiders who mock our Pennsylvania grammar are more detestable than MainLion.
For third, I’ve always wanted to tell someone to bugger off.
"Man, Oklahoma sucks." - Ki-Jana Carter
by ReadingRambler on Jul 9, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't consider "needs learned" as Pennsylvania grammar, since I see it in Ohio too.
Heck, I say that the lawn or field needs mowed sometimes.
Be the change you wish to see in the world.
No, you don't.
You’re lying.
"Man, Oklahoma sucks." - Ki-Jana Carter
by ReadingRambler on Jul 9, 2011 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
You people are compulsive liars and you steal the culture of others without batting an eye.
"Man, Oklahoma sucks." - Ki-Jana Carter
by ReadingRambler on Jul 9, 2011 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Is that supposed to represent The Vest putting blinders on
so he could pretend he didn’t see what was going on?
54 DAYS 22 HOURS 4 MINUTES 56 SECONDS UNTIL KICKOFF!!!
Absorbing is different than stealing.
You wouldn’t know, because you went to school in Ohio. Which means you were educated in a bar.
"Man, Oklahoma sucks." - Ki-Jana Carter
by ReadingRambler on Jul 10, 2011 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Deserve's got nothing to do with it.
Be the change you wish to see in the world.
by Semicorrect on Jul 11, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Even WVU just lost a scholarship and...
has to reduce their staff!!! So Boise and WVU get hit and O$U thinks it can vacate a few wins and say “my bad”? Disgraceful.
And unctuous.
I just don't want to die without a few scars. ~Chuck Palahniuk, Fight Club, Chapter 6
"They jsut don't get it"
Maybe you don’t get it..
Why would anyone in their right mind overshoot and ask for post season bans, more probation, scholarship losses etc?
HELP IS ON THE WAY
~Banned at ATO since June 3rd, 2011, 2ish PM PST
I'm sure you have seen trials, where the prosecution offers a plea bargain--plead guilty, get life.
And the defendant rejects it, only to be found guilty and face the death penalty?
I’m not saying the NCAA will issue death-penalty sanctions. But I also don’t think the NCAA is going to rubber stamp tOSU’s self-imposed wrist slap.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
have you read the NCAA letter of allegations??
it’s basically centralized to the “tat 5” issue, plus one player and the Tressel stuff.
no mention of cars, etc that were brought up in “stories” bu Dohrman and the rest.
HELP IS ON THE WAY
~Banned at ATO since June 3rd, 2011, 2ish PM PST
by SouthBayBuckeye on Jul 8, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
On the heels of...
the probation resulting from the O$U basketball debacle. Lack of institutional control. May as well take your beating from your brother instead of your wicked step mother.
I just don't want to die without a few scars. ~Chuck Palahniuk, Fight Club, Chapter 6
have you read the online dictionary definition of unctuous??
: full of unction; especially : revealing or marked by a smug, ingratiating, and false earnestness or spirituality
— unc·tu·ous·ly adverb
— unc·tu·ous·ness noun
chew on that one, tough guy
Anyway, the flashlights eat our human power grids, our souls if you will. So i destroyed them, and if a few precious panties were burnt or soiled in the reckoning then so be it
The whole Talbot-paying-Pryor-$40,000 thing came out after the initial notice of allegations
I think that’s going to be one of OSU’s biggest problems. There’s an undeniable two-way paper trail—Memorabilia with TP’s autograph to Talbott, Talbott’s checks deposited in TP’s bank account. Moreover, there’s all sorts of other evidence of violations surrounding Talbott, going back long before the start of the 2010 season, which the NCAA appears to be aware of. That’s all in addition to the violations in the first notice of allegations.
I think OSU’s penalties will go far beyond what they’ve self-imposed.
by newenglandnittanylion on Jul 8, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
There were
http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/exclusive-ncaa-discovers-checks-to-pryor-29745
The NCAA violations were discovered when the name of the local memorabilia dealer, Dennis Talbott, was seen on checks Pryor was depositing in his personal bank account.
by newenglandnittanylion on Jul 8, 2011 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
What. An. IDIOT!
Wow, there wouldn’t have been any paper trail if he had sticked to cash. This is where the violations go beyond Tressel. tOSU’s response is focused on Tressel and nothing else, but Pryor is proving to be more damning than the rest put together.
All we need are a couple of checks going back to fall of 08 and we're uncontested Big Ten Champs!
No I won’t stop beating that drum.
"I don't want to injure anybody," James Harrison said. "But I'm not opposed to hurting anybody."
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
Since when have we ever been contested as 2008 B10 champs?
Only in the fantasy dreamland/acid trip that buckeyes have been in for the past…well, I don’t even know when the lunacy began…were they ever anything more than second place.
That fantasy dreamland/acid trip is called the Big Ten Rulebook
as much as we hate it, we shared with them. They’re as much the Big Ten champs as we are.
Bet you we’ll beat Iowa next time we’re in that situation again.
by misdreavus79 on Jul 8, 2011 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
well now at least there is a title game. Obviously the Big Ten heard my whining the last 6 years
It’s nice to know you can make difference if you whine hard enough :)
"I don't want to injure anybody," James Harrison said. "But I'm not opposed to hurting anybody."
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
by showtime on Jul 9, 2011 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
i agree with this
their best move is to self impose some sanctions and hope it sticks. Why self impose a punishment you dont want or even think you deserve? To appease jilted fanbases of other programs? The have to look out for their best interests and do some damage control.
If your OSU, the last thing you want is to self-impose bowl bans and 5 scholarships a year for 3 years only to find out later that the NCAA was going to do less. Underselling their self imposed punishment is, as far as i can tell, the only competent thing OSU has done in this matter.
Of course there is the little matter of...
just doing the right thing.
I just don't want to die without a few scars. ~Chuck Palahniuk, Fight Club, Chapter 6
whos to say what we want is the right thing?
im not saying i agree that what they think their punishment should be is correct and exactly what they should or will get. But emotions aside, their duty is to their program, not to making us or Michigan fans or USC fans sit back and say “thank god they did what we think is right.”
Truth is, it didnt really matter what they self imposed, nobody here was going to accept it, we all would have wanted more. Why is that? because no one rightfully believes anyone is going to impose upon themselves exactly what they deserve. its human nature to give yourself a lighter sentence then an objective outsider would. If you got in trouble at work and everyone around you thought you should be fired, and your boss gave you the ability to come up with a punishment for yourself, would you fire yourself? or would you come up with some other, less harsh penalty?
I cannot fault OSU for their idea of what appropriate sanctions should be. If the NCAA agrees, then I have a problem, but not yet, especially when they did what everyone in their situation would do and that’s take it easy on themselves.
If people at work thought I should be fired...
well, first it was probably for being on BSD all day, but perhaps it was for a well-deserved reason. But, if I suggested that my punishment be forfeiting my previous days worked and not having to give up the pay… yeah… I don’t think people would buy that.
I just don't want to die without a few scars. ~Chuck Palahniuk, Fight Club, Chapter 6
im surprised i haven't already been fired for being on BSD all day
the point though is that, whether or not people buy it, you aren’t worried about that. nobody is. you are only worried about yourself and being sure you will survive the crisis and when its over, you will be in a position to get back to where you were before it happened.
I respect your point of view even though I disagree with it.
And see — we didn’t even have to bring Iraq, global warming, or the utility of circumcision into the discussion. Well done, sir.
I just don't want to die without a few scars. ~Chuck Palahniuk, Fight Club, Chapter 6
Circumcision...
Tressel… foreskin… same thing.
I just don't want to die without a few scars. ~Chuck Palahniuk, Fight Club, Chapter 6
spare me this ficticious argument.
HELP IS ON THE WAY
~Banned at ATO since June 3rd, 2011, 2ish PM PST
by SouthBayBuckeye on Jul 8, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah, you're a Buckeye fan like the others.
I knew it would be difficult for you to keep up your realism facade.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
yes just like "them"
THEM
HELP IS ON THE WAY
~Banned at ATO since June 3rd, 2011, 2ish PM PST
by SouthBayBuckeye on Jul 8, 2011 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
No one cares what you think.
You’re going to get screwed because you deserved it. Neener neener neener. Enjoy the whipping.
"Man, Oklahoma sucks." - Ki-Jana Carter
by ReadingRambler on Jul 8, 2011 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
stop being so unctuous
HELP IS ON THE WAY
~Banned at ATO since June 3rd, 2011, 2ish PM PST
by SouthBayBuckeye on Jul 8, 2011 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I actually heard a little girl actually yelling
NEENER NEENER NEENER the other day. I never realized that was something people actually do.
have you read the online dictionary definition of unctuous??
: full of unction; especially : revealing or marked by a smug, ingratiating, and false earnestness or spirituality
— unc·tu·ous·ly adverb
— unc·tu·ous·ness noun
Anyway, the flashlights eat our human power grids, our souls if you will. So i destroyed them, and if a few precious panties were burnt or soiled in the reckoning then so be it
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Anyway, the flashlights eat our human power grids, our souls if you will. So i destroyed them, and if a few precious panties were burnt or soiled in the reckoning then so be it
that sucks because that was awesome the first time
"I don't want to injure anybody," James Harrison said. "But I'm not opposed to hurting anybody."
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
i agree with u
i find this way too funny.
by swiggy04 on Jul 8, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I also find it hilarious that the University hangs Tressel out to dry,
while at the same time
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
Failing to post a cogent post.
Actually, what I meant to add was that “behind closed doors, the University intends to ensure he remains a revered part of tOSU’s football legacy.”
The NCAA may be inept, but it’s not woefully inept. It should see right through this charade.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
The NCAA may be inept, but it’s not woefully inept
I’m not sure I agree. I guess we’ll see though.
I've spent most of my money and booze, birds, and fast cars. The rest I wasted.
by psuphysicist on Jul 8, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’m sure Tressel would like it that way. He wanted to “retire” a Buckeye, so why wouldn’t he take the blame in order to ensure the OSU image is tainted less?
"When I put on my uniform, I feel I am the proudest man on earth."
-Roberto
by blackjackfishtaco on Jul 8, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Get To The Money
The only way to stop the cheating is to get to the money. That means the cheating school does not get money shared by teams of the conference such as Big Ten bowl games and the Big Ten Network. In addition, the cheating team cannot have any games on television. That is a serious loss of money and if I were a coach caught cheating, I would not want to have that conversation where I have to explain to my school president why the school was losing that money. Get to the money and you will get rid of the cheating.
Oh my, this would be incredible punishment
Administrations would police athletic departments like it would cost them something if they didn’t. This will never happen, it would stop 90% of cheating
My grammer skills need improved.
And make them give their tattoos back
I just don't want to die without a few scars. ~Chuck Palahniuk, Fight Club, Chapter 6
someone supposely got 12 tattoos for $900
or $75 a tattoo
I’m sure they’d like to give some of that cheap work back.
HELP IS ON THE WAY
~Banned at ATO since June 3rd, 2011, 2ish PM PST
by SouthBayBuckeye on Jul 8, 2011 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Apparently the name of another player receiving similar illicit benefits has surfaced, and he's on the 2011 team.
That’s what the Columbus radio yahoos are saying, anyway. His name hasn’t come up though. I’d expect a five game suspension for him as well if it is true.
Be the change you wish to see in the world.
yeah, I don't know why they aren't saying who at this point
HELP IS ON THE WAY
~Banned at ATO since June 3rd, 2011, 2ish PM PST
by SouthBayBuckeye on Jul 8, 2011 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it's reasonable to assume that
1. The NCAA investigators will not lend credibility to all the evidence that has come out in the press
and
2. The NCAA investigators will have certain pieces of evidence that they discover that has not already been reported by the press.
Of course the evidence in #2 will likely be leaked at some point prior to the decision coming down, but as of now, it’s probably unwise to pretend we know everything.
I'm just going to say that as a Big Ten football fan I'm offended by the school's self-imposed sanctions
Do they really think they’re gonna get away with cheating and lying and disgracing the entire conference with NO PUNITIVE DAMAGES?
Seriously? They think they could possibly be invited to the inaugural Big Ten Championship Game to represent the illustrious Leaders Division after this clusterfudge? That needs to be off the table for them.
Thanks for defining unctuous for us because that is definitely the word.
"I don't want to injure anybody," James Harrison said. "But I'm not opposed to hurting anybody."
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
This self imposed nothings as sanctions are what I expected, come on, Tressel was only getting two games for a far worse transrgression than the players. they love the guy
On another note, I am baking blueberry pies for the first time in my life this afternoon. I got 10 lbs of blueberries on wednesday and I froze some and will try to bake two pies this afternoon. Crumb topping, cause I like it better than pie crust on top of my blueberries. Blueberry pie will make me happy and forget about all the crap OSU did to embarass the conference. They didn’t just embarass themselves, they emabarassed all of the B1G
My grammer skills need improved.
by BMAN13 on Jul 9, 2011 9:15 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
let me know how the crumb topping works out
if you like it, could you send me over the recipe? i too prefer crumb topping on berry pies (except strawberry, no topping on that one).
Fire Dan Snyder
My wife just left for a wedding shower, my youngest grandson is on the way to help
Just drank two drafts of this on way home from Butcher Shop and produce stand outside of New Franklin. One of the best draft beers I have had in a long while. Bought fresh white corn, grape tomatoes, 
zuchini and yellow squash to grill with ribs my grandson and I will dry rub this afternoon. Have a Stella Artois open and 10 cups of blueberries on the counter. Waiting on the daughter to bring the little guy and we will have some cooking fun this afternoon.
My grammer skills need improved.
I used an oats and brown sugar recipe I found and its excellent on my very good pie!!
I’ll give it to you if you are interested. Its not powdery, crumbly like a store pie, more lumpy and sticky. It browned up while cooking and is very good.
My grammer skills need improved.
ooh that does sound good!
If you don’t want to post it on here, is there some way for someone from BSD to get you my email?
Fire Dan Snyder
2/3 cup light brown sugar
3/4 cup quick oats
1/2 cup all purpose flour
1 tsp ground cinnaman
1/4 tsp grnd nutmeg, I was a tad heavy handed with both the cinnaman and nutmeg
6 Tbsp melted butter, probably should have used unsalted, but I only had regular butter.
stir dry ingredients together well, then stir in the butter. It gets sticky and lumpy. Then spread over top of pie.
This would be great on almost any fruit pie. I’m going to try apple this fall and use this for it too.
My grammer skills need improved.
got it--thank you!
I will probably be making a mixed berry pie in the next few weeks when the orchard by me gets their blackberries in, so I’ll let you know how it turns out!
Fire Dan Snyder
by Cari Greene on Jul 10, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks to one and all.....
For the recipes, the references to History by the one and only, Rambler….the taking me to task by the great denier of the truth from the great State of Ohio on my grammar use an’ nat and lastly to my old friends, as I push 70, who will in a minute, take APhale, flush him through a Marcellus Shale pipe and have it’s odor waft over Columbus like a Donora Steel Mill death cloud, thereby excluding the use of an irrigation ditch in Westmoreland County….just joking, I believe. At least on the steel mills as they have been shut down for quite awhile, and I’m too tired to clear my irrigation ditch asI’d only have to redd it up.
"The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me God." The Government is like the Mob, you can check out, but never leave.
by DerryPharmer on Jul 10, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Where's New Franklin near?
I’ll be over for warm apple pie when they’re in season.
I’ll bring the ice cream.
And beer, if you like.
right south of Chambersburg, I actually live a tad west of c-burg.
That is just where I found a new roadside stand with fabulous veggies, melons and lopes. I got the blueberries from the local Kiwanas Club sale, 10 lb boxes for $30, and they were big and delicious. I will be using local apples for my apple pie this fall, can’t wait. I will add that my crumb top was described very closely today by my sister in law, she said it reminder her of (name fruit) crisp and I think she is correct. So I will change the name of my pie to Blueberry Crisp Pie.
My grammer skills need improved.
I don't suppose anyone has a good shoofly pie recipe to share.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
Is it too soon
To change the Big Ten Conference Standings chart in the right margin of this site?
Shouldn’t O$U be moved to the bottom or removed from the list altogether?
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