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I assume I’m going to have this thrown in my face.


"We still disagree here over how we should have handled it," said Vince Doria, ESPN’s senior vice president and director of news. "If our goal was to get people to watch television, we succeeded."

Fine. I’ve got news for ya’ll, though. Our goal here at BSD is to get people to read the blog, too, and we’ve done a pretty good job of it without having the athletic department script the questions we ask it. Just because ESPN makes decisions (pun intended) like this doesn’t mean every or even most media companies do. If you believe they do, then you obviously don’t think much of me, Mike, or anyone else on this blog and i question why you’re even here in the first place.

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by Adam Bittner on Jul 9, 2011 6:02 AM EDT reply actions  

1. Was ESPN’s choice of execution of “The Decision” unethical?
2. Did it harm ESPN’s credibility?
3. Did it harm ESPN’s bottom line in the short term?

1 and 2 may not harm the bottom line in the short term, but they typically do in the long term. If a firm is producing an untrustworthy product, the market will respond accordingly. 3 certainly matters, but because 1 and 2 matter also, need not always (if ever) be the primary concern, but it matters.

My answer to all of the above is “no,” but I’m interested to hear what you think.

is there anyway i can redeem myself, i was not sure if i should say "we" at that moment
by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

by ckmneon on Jul 9, 2011 7:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

As long as ESPN has television contracts...

…it doesn’t need ethics or credibility.The idea, though, that because ESPN acts with reckless disregard for its journalistic integrity, all media companies do because it’s “good business,” is so far out in left it isn’t even funny.

I shouldn’t be surprised at the level of distrust of the MSM here. It’s a blog after all. This whole discussion really undermines the work of some great journalists, though, and I find that shameful. Throw the “youthful idealist” line in my face again. Whatever. I’ve met real, live journalists far older than some of you talking down to me, and they believe a lot of the same things I believe. Hell, they’re the ones that taught it to me.

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by Adam Bittner on Jul 9, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

ESPN, like the rest of the MSM

produces a product. A lack of ethics or integrity will either force them to shift their product into pure sensationalism or permanently damage their product.

Journalistic ethics exists because it protects the product. I’m not saying that’s a bad thing; I think it’s a great thing, but let’s not pretend it’s anything else. Journalists are not some sacred priesthood of brave truth tellers. They are people who play a large part in producing the news product in all its various forms. Heck, most of what we consider to be journalistic ethics comes from the creation of the AP, which was nothing more than a cost cutting measure for both left leaning and right leaning newspapers so that they could share a “facts reporting” staff and only pay their editorial staff by themselves.

is there anyway i can redeem myself, i was not sure if i should say "we" at that moment
by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

by ckmneon on Jul 9, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I’ve met few journalists who ask “What will this do for the bottom line?” before they write their stories. Those are management decisions, and again, I think a statement like “Journalists are not some sacred priesthood of brave truth tellers” not only undermines but mocks the work of a lot of great writers.

Do I think all, or even most journalists are the cream of the crop? Absolutely not. But to suggest most don’t have doing the right thing in mind in their work is a pretty severe dis of a lot of good people.

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by Adam Bittner on Jul 9, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hadn't commented on this, but I do have a two-part question:

To you, what is a journalist and how should society view them?

by misdreavus79 on Jul 9, 2011 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t expect quality journalism because that’s what journalists do, I expect quality journalism because its in the journalist’s self interest to produce such a product.

That’s fine, except ESPN has gone in the exact opposite direction of “quality journalism” with things like “The Decision” or “Difference Makers” and the appetite has been there for it from the public regardless. So how can you quote Adam Smith and say media outlets that choose not to act the way ESPN acts are acting in their own “best interests” when there’s a public out there that might accept the AP letting Joe Torre script his questions or the Post-Gazette making up crap to make the Steelers look better than they are?

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by Adam Bittner on Jul 9, 2011 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll add to that...

…if it was in Jim Gray’s best interests to do “The Decision” why has he fallen off the face of the Earth in the last year? Why didn’t Michael Wilbon or Mark Stein, far more distinguished NBA writers, handle it instead?

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by Adam Bittner on Jul 9, 2011 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'd for truth:
Journalistic ethics exists because it protects the product. I’m not saying that’s a bad thing; I think it’s a great thing, but let’s not pretend it’s anything else.

"Man, Oklahoma sucks." - Ki-Jana Carter

by ReadingRambler on Jul 11, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I realize I'm several days late

Been preparing to move and having to replace my car.

Question of clarification to both Rambler and Ckmneon: the quote that Rambler pulled out above—are you saying that journalism ethics ONLY exist as they relate to business—ie., the “product”?

Thanks!

by psu87intn on Jul 12, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Basically, yes.

"Man, Oklahoma sucks." - Ki-Jana Carter

by ReadingRambler on Jul 12, 2011 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting.

Do you believe any type of ethics exist for the sake of themselves—in other words, because it is “the right thing to do” or from a belief that it serves a higher cause? Or are all ethics based in some monetary self-interest?

by psu87intn on Jul 13, 2011 8:53 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yes to the first, no to the last.

But, in my opinion, ethics in journalism exist almost solely to protect the product, which makes money.

"Man, Oklahoma sucks." - Ki-Jana Carter

by ReadingRambler on Jul 13, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does your option apply to both individuals and organizations?

I would agree that the theory that ethics exist solely to protect the product is much more likely to apply to organizations—not always, but more likely, especially in today’s market/world.

I disagree that it exists almost solely to protect the product when applied to the people at the ground level doing the work—at legitimate news sources.

I will concede that the concept of journalistic ethics has been greatly weakened—in my opinion—by the advent of the internet and the ease for every Tom, Dick & Harry to create their own outpost of “journalism.” These people haven’t been schooled in the concept of public trust.

by psu87intn on Jul 14, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, that's only something that fugimaster24 would enjoy

He had good taste and smart things to say. This Adam Bittner, on the other hand, has totally sold out and is looking to take over for David Jones someday.

is there anyway i can redeem myself, i was not sure if i should say "we" at that moment
by Skins4ever on Feb 2, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

by ckmneon on Jul 9, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

So I'm a sell out now?

Lovely.

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by Adam Bittner on Jul 9, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is in danger...

of becoming an Obermann meltdown. The only problem I have with all of this (other than the pediphilic Gomez thing) is from the first comment:

“Just because ESPN makes decisions (pun intended) like this doesn’t mean every or even most media companies do. If you believe they do, then you obviously don’t think much of me, Mike, or anyone else on this blog and i question why you’re even here in the first place.”

I was in a position to watch Fox News, CNN, and MSN when VP Cheney accidentally shot his hunting partner a few years ago. Fox News said Chaney inadvertently wounded his hunting buddy. CNN: Cheney shot his friend in the face. MSN: Cheney GUNNED DOWN an associate. So if there is an impression that media outlets have agendas… yeah. Does that mean that people believing that shouldn’t be reading BSD or that it is an insult to the authors? I don’t think so.

I just don't want to die without a few scars. ~Chuck Palahniuk, Fight Club, Chapter 6

by LB31Monster on Jul 9, 2011 10:28 PM EDT reply actions  

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