Penn State Position Previews 2011: Offensive Line
In some ways, Penn State's offensive line woes have been greatly exaggerated. Sure, the Nittany Lions have struggled with some teams, particularly when facing the dominant defensive lines of out-of-conference power Alabama, or Big Ten rivals Ohio State and Iowa. But this is the same program that has put together a running attack that has featured six straight thousand-yard rushers, including Tony Hunt and Rodney Kinlaw, two players who spent virtually no time on any NFL roster. Even the woes of the Dark Years can be traced back to the Great Skill Position Absence of 2003 and 2004[1] rather than the line that was protecting Zack Mills and Michael Robinson.
Still, Penn State's offensive line has been much maligned by fans and pundits alike over the past few years, and last season didn't help the team's cause. Despite the presence of All-American guard and future second round draft pick Stefen Wisniewski, Penn State struggled to establish the run and in a few games looked downright incompetent.
The 2011 Nittany Lions lose Wisniewski and starting center Doug Klopacz, but hope springs eternal. The crew returns 3 starters from last year's line, which means that the starters have already built relationships on the field with each other. And while they struggled to play smash mouth football last year, they kept both Rob Bolden and Matt McGloin clean, giving up only 12 sacks all season. In short, there is plenty of work to be done, but a few positives to build on as well.
TACKLES
Projected Starters:
- Left Tackle: Quinn Barham (RS Sr., #67), 6'3, 303 lbs.
- Right Tackle: Chima Okoli (RS Sr., #52), 6'4, 301 lbs.
Reserves:
- Mike Farrell (RS Jr., #78), Adam Gress (RS So., #58), Eric Shrive (RS So., #75), Donovan Smith (Fr.), Ryan Nowicki (Fr.), Angelo Mangiro (Fr.)
Tackle is probably the strongest position on this year's offensive line. Barham and Okoli both return a tremendous amount of experience. The two fifth year seniors should prove to be solid bookends for an offensive line that is looking to develop as a cohesive unit.
Quinn Barham had played every position on the line during his Penn State career before settling at left tackle last year. Barham is not and has never been a road grader. He's a finesse tackle who will provide solid protection for his quarterback unless he's physically outclassed by a guy like Iowa's Adrian Clayborn. Barham is the only returning player to have started all 13 games last year.
Chima Okoli's career has taken a different path. Okoli spent his first three years at defensive tackle, seeing snaps in 15 games during his redshirt freshman and sophomore seasons. Depth issues forced a position change during spring practice last year and he secured his spot as a primary backup behind starting senior tackle and All-Big Ten candidate Lou Eliades. When Eliades went down with a knee injury, Okoli started eight of the last nine games and performed admirably. Okoli was solid, if unspectacular. He has the size and natural ability to be an excellent tackle. Assuming he's continued to refine his technique, Okoli should continue to impress.
Mike Farrell is the only reserve with any meaningful experience. He was Barham's backup last year and made an emergency start at right tackle against Indiana after Okoli went down briefly with an injury. Farrell played surprisingly well in his limited time on the field and should continue to improve while providing quality depth for both senior starters. Adam Gress has seen some snaps, but not nearly enough for anyone without access to Holuba Hall to form an opinion. Various reports have given Gress positive practice reviews despite being lightly recruited out of high school.
The same cannot be said for Eric Shrive, who was very highly touted coming out of West Scranton High School. Shrive was rated as highly as the number two tackle prospect in the country and was expected to contribute early. Instead, he was passed last offseason by both Okoli (a defensive lineman) and Farrell, and apparently was even with Gress. Shrive is still young, has a tremendous amount of natural talent, and the depth chart remains friendly. He has to seize the moment.
If he doesn't, it's possible that young Shrive will be passed by one of the three freshmen linemen. Smith, Nowicki, and Mangiro were all well regarded as high school players and come to Penn State with high expectations. Considering the open depth chart, it's possible that at least one of them could challenge for time. Still, Okoli and Barham are firmly entrenched here and, barring injury, will be your starters for thirteen games.
GUARDS
Projected Starters:
- Left Guard: Johnnie Troutman (RS Sr., #74), 6'4, 323 lbs.
- Right Guard: John Urschel (RS So., #64), 6'3, 284 lbs.
Reserves:
- DeOn'tae Pannell (Sr., #50), Mark Arcidiacono (RS So., #73), Khamerone Kolb (RS Fr., #72), Frank Figueroa (RS So., #62)
With the graduation of Stefen Wisniewski, guard is the position with the most question marks on the offensive line.
Johnnie Troutman is an enigma. He has the size and skill of an NFL lineman but continuously finds himself in the famous Paterno doghouse. Troutman needs to focus. He's a multi-year contributor who always seems to be fighting for his starting spot because of off the field problems or trouble making weight. In spite of all that, he's very agile for his size and is the best run blocker on the team. He's made 19 career starts, the most of any lineman on the team. If anyone will make room for Silas Redd, Brandon Beachum, and Stephfon Green this year, it's Troutman.
John Urschel has the unenviable task of replacing one of the most decorated offensive linemen in Penn State history, but he's already off to a great start. Like his predecessor at right guard, Urschel is a Dean's List student who carries a 4.0 GPA in mathematics. Like Mike Farrell, Urschel also played a mostly reserve role except for the Indiana game, where he played well for 66 snaps. Urschel is a classic Penn State guard. He's agile enough to pull on plays that call for it, and strong enough to throw the shot put 57 feet in high school.
DeOn'tae Pannell is frustrating. A guy who was once the heir apparent to bad, bad, Levi Brown[2] ended up changing positions and fading into the bench. Pannell is a capable reserve and will play minutes should either Troutman or Urschel need to be spelled. Still, you can't help but feel that more was possible.
The rest of the reserves are in a similar position to those at tackle. Entirely unproven with no meaningful experience to speak of. As Joe Paterno told the media in April, "We don't have any depth there."
CENTERS
Projected Starter:
Reserves:
- Ty Howle (RS. So., #60), Miles Dieffenbach (RS Fr., #65)
The centers have potential. After senior Doug Klopacz filled the position last year, this year's depth chart features players with multiple years of eligibility remaining.
This is the second go-round for Matt Stankiewitch as a starter. Stankiewitch started the first two games of his active Penn State career in 2009 at left guard. As a redshirt freshman, Stankiewitch showed promise but was overpowered by stronger and more experienced defensive lines. Last year, Stankiewitch played in 6 games before being held out due to mono for the rest of the year. Stankiewitch has played conference games and has had two years to increase his strength in order to compete with the players at this level. He has a great opportunity to be a two-year starter for the Nittany Lions if he has put in the work.
Ty Howle was Penn State's snapper on extra points and field goals during 2010. Howle was a highly recruited player out of high school in North Carolina and, like Urschel, has one of the top GPA's on the roster. He'll be a quality reserve for the 2011 season and all indications are that he will play well when called upon.
Miles Dieffenbach has often been referred to as the center of the future. As a high school player, Dieffenbach was considered the top center in the country by ESPN and no lower than 4th by any other service. Dieffenbach was originally considered a Pitt lean - his father has been the tennis coach there since 1981. Instead, Dieffenbach came to Happy Valley. He redshirted last year, but all reports have been very complimentary. Like all young players, Dieffenbach must work on his strength and technique. Still, it wouldn't be a surprise to see Dieffenbach end up atop the depth chart at some point this year.
[1] Kinta Palmer, Gerald Smith and Josh Hannum say hello.
[2] The baddest man in the whole damn town.
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by newenglandnittanylion on Aug 15, 2011 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions
it should also be green IMO
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by Adam Collyer on Aug 15, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
The Offensive Line is the one unit I consistently worry about
It only seems to be good when there’s so much talent that the coaches can’t screw it up. Every other position group on the field manages to stay at a pretty high level with only the occasional drop-off. The O-line seems to do the opposite.
Still, I’m optimistic about this group (at least the starters). Experience seems to do more for the line than it does for any other group, and this year’s starers are loaded with experience; what’s more, there don’t seem to be any goofy position moves either; everyone’s playing the position they played last year. That alone is reason for optimism.
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by newenglandnittanylion on Aug 15, 2011 9:14 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
So much of this.
there don’t seem to be any goofy position moves either; everyone’s playing the position they played last year. That alone is reason for optimism.
Completely agree.
I voted "better"
based on the experience the starters and some second-teamers have. That said, I’m sure there will be times when we will be missing Wiz.
Disappointing news about Shrive. That class of O-linemen had huge potential; sounds like some are on track, but others are not. Yet another reason not to trust the “star” rankings.
I'd like to have two Armies -- one for display, with lovely guns, tanks, little Soldiers, staffs, distinguished and doddering Generals and dear little regimental officers, who would be deeply concerned over their General's bowel movements or their Colonel's piles; an Army that would be shown for a modest fee on every fairground in the country.
The other would be the REAL ONE, composed entirely of young enthusiasts in camouflage uniforms, who would not be put on display but from whom impossible efforts would be demanded and to whom all sorts of tricks would be taught. That's the Army in which I should like to fight.
One thing about Shrive.
I feel compelled to stick up for him because I’m close friends with his cousin, and he seems like a really good guy. He’s only a redshirt sophomore. It’s not like he’s a senior and hasn’t sniffed the field.
by Chris Grovich on Aug 15, 2011 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions
He's redshirt sophomore, but unfortunately he's still pretty far down the depth chart.
I still have hope he can make it eventually, but it doesn’t look like it’s going to be this year. And with some very talented OL prospects in the classes after him, his chances are getting slimmer each year.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Aug 15, 2011 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Stopping the endless flipping from guard to tackle to guard to tackle might help.
But I see your point, too. Still, he has three full years left in the program, and it’s not like young linemen have a history of jumping into the starting lineup as freshman or sophomores at PSU. We’ve had basically one guy (Wisniewski) do that in 20 years who has been put into the lineup and hasn’t completely sucked.
by Chris Grovich on Aug 15, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
I am going for what I call the Brackett effect (formerly known as the transitive property)
So here’s the theory….
Brackett was a converted QB to Receiver because he was 6’6.
Shrive is 6’6
Brackett repped Lift for Life from SO to SR years
Shrive is repping Lift for Life in his SO year
Brackett had a great SR season (first year fully starting right?)
Shrive will have a great SR season (in his first year fully starting)
Predicting Penn State's Offensive Scripts since 2005!
But Kunza, lets finish the point ...
THE ONLY SOLUTION under the Brackett effect/transitive property is to move Shrive to wideout. If he lost some weight he could absolutely run a 5.3 forty.
The DBs trying to tackle him
would look like the dogs who jumped all over the Bumble in “Rudolph”. They eventually got the job done, but it took a ton of them. Same thing for trying to tackle Shrive.
I'd like to have two Armies -- one for display, with lovely guns, tanks, little Soldiers, staffs, distinguished and doddering Generals and dear little regimental officers, who would be deeply concerned over their General's bowel movements or their Colonel's piles; an Army that would be shown for a modest fee on every fairground in the country.
The other would be the REAL ONE, composed entirely of young enthusiasts in camouflage uniforms, who would not be put on display but from whom impossible efforts would be demanded and to whom all sorts of tricks would be taught. That's the Army in which I should like to fight.
by PSU_Lions_84 on Aug 15, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd move him to Safety
and play him 30 yards off, he could build up enough speed pre-snap and by the time he made it to the line, he’d be full speed (5.3) blitzing!
I would love to see an RB try to pick him up
Predicting Penn State's Offensive Scripts since 2005!
That RB will need a tab on his shoulder
to make that attempt.
I'd like to have two Armies -- one for display, with lovely guns, tanks, little Soldiers, staffs, distinguished and doddering Generals and dear little regimental officers, who would be deeply concerned over their General's bowel movements or their Colonel's piles; an Army that would be shown for a modest fee on every fairground in the country.
The other would be the REAL ONE, composed entirely of young enthusiasts in camouflage uniforms, who would not be put on display but from whom impossible efforts would be demanded and to whom all sorts of tricks would be taught. That's the Army in which I should like to fight.
by PSU_Lions_84 on Aug 15, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
Nice, bman! Maybe he can use it as a distraction: “Hey, anybody seen my beer around here?”
Was thinking more of a Ranger tab (haven’t figured out how to post pics), since an SF tab is pretty hard to come by.
I'd like to have two Armies -- one for display, with lovely guns, tanks, little Soldiers, staffs, distinguished and doddering Generals and dear little regimental officers, who would be deeply concerned over their General's bowel movements or their Colonel's piles; an Army that would be shown for a modest fee on every fairground in the country.
The other would be the REAL ONE, composed entirely of young enthusiasts in camouflage uniforms, who would not be put on display but from whom impossible efforts would be demanded and to whom all sorts of tricks would be taught. That's the Army in which I should like to fight.
by PSU_Lions_84 on Aug 15, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
like this?

copy the properties of a picture, I have found only jpg’s work, might just be me. click the little picture thingy in the comment box and paste the link. always preview to see what ya got.
My grammer skills need improved.
PERFECT!!
Notice how the SF tab takes precedence over all the others. I point that out to forestall any arguments over which unit is “better”. It’s not my opinion, but the US Army’s, that the SF tab is topmost.
One more piece of trivia: The SF patch shows the knife used by the First Special Service Force of WW II, with the three lightning bolts standing for air, land, and sea. The inside joke was that it represented an electric butter knife . . . .
Thanks for the advice, bman!
I'd like to have two Armies -- one for display, with lovely guns, tanks, little Soldiers, staffs, distinguished and doddering Generals and dear little regimental officers, who would be deeply concerned over their General's bowel movements or their Colonel's piles; an Army that would be shown for a modest fee on every fairground in the country.
The other would be the REAL ONE, composed entirely of young enthusiasts in camouflage uniforms, who would not be put on display but from whom impossible efforts would be demanded and to whom all sorts of tricks would be taught. That's the Army in which I should like to fight.
by PSU_Lions_84 on Aug 15, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Do they still sell that stuff?
I thought it got banned during the saccherine scare.
I'd like to have two Armies -- one for display, with lovely guns, tanks, little Soldiers, staffs, distinguished and doddering Generals and dear little regimental officers, who would be deeply concerned over their General's bowel movements or their Colonel's piles; an Army that would be shown for a modest fee on every fairground in the country.
The other would be the REAL ONE, composed entirely of young enthusiasts in camouflage uniforms, who would not be put on display but from whom impossible efforts would be demanded and to whom all sorts of tricks would be taught. That's the Army in which I should like to fight.
by PSU_Lions_84 on Aug 15, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
I’ll stick with Cheerwine, Buch, thanks!
I'd like to have two Armies -- one for display, with lovely guns, tanks, little Soldiers, staffs, distinguished and doddering Generals and dear little regimental officers, who would be deeply concerned over their General's bowel movements or their Colonel's piles; an Army that would be shown for a modest fee on every fairground in the country.
The other would be the REAL ONE, composed entirely of young enthusiasts in camouflage uniforms, who would not be put on display but from whom impossible efforts would be demanded and to whom all sorts of tricks would be taught. That's the Army in which I should like to fight.
by PSU_Lions_84 on Aug 15, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Chris, not dumping on or giving up on
Shrive. Just disappointed with his current position in this analysis. I know a lot of big guys don’t grow into their size until close to their junior years, so there is plenty of time for him. And, if he can see the field a fair amount this year, that may accelerate his growth.
Guys, I’m new so we have to get to know each other, but please believe I will strive not to dump on a kid, even when I am commenting on his circumstances. I have seen situations where the BMOC freezes up, and the 98-pound weakling steps up and gets the job done. I don’t want to appear judgmental, so let me know if I cross the line.
I'd like to have two Armies -- one for display, with lovely guns, tanks, little Soldiers, staffs, distinguished and doddering Generals and dear little regimental officers, who would be deeply concerned over their General's bowel movements or their Colonel's piles; an Army that would be shown for a modest fee on every fairground in the country.
The other would be the REAL ONE, composed entirely of young enthusiasts in camouflage uniforms, who would not be put on display but from whom impossible efforts would be demanded and to whom all sorts of tricks would be taught. That's the Army in which I should like to fight.
by PSU_Lions_84 on Aug 15, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Nah, no one feels that way.
No worries at all. You’re killin’ it here.
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by Adam Collyer on Aug 15, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Yea, what Adam said.
Just because someone disagreed with you doesn’t mean it’s a personal thing. Debates about PSU football are what we’re looking for here. Keep it up, internet-bro!
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by Jeff Junstrom on Aug 15, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I remember the guy who looked, for the first two weeks of
my basic jump school class, like he was a lead-pipe cinch for honor graduate. Jump week came, and I saw him puking on the grass on the way to the airplane for the first jump. Needless to say, the “black hats” (airborne instructors) did not think that conveyed the “AIRBORNE!” spirit they cherished, so the honors went to another guy.
I'd like to have two Armies -- one for display, with lovely guns, tanks, little Soldiers, staffs, distinguished and doddering Generals and dear little regimental officers, who would be deeply concerned over their General's bowel movements or their Colonel's piles; an Army that would be shown for a modest fee on every fairground in the country.
The other would be the REAL ONE, composed entirely of young enthusiasts in camouflage uniforms, who would not be put on display but from whom impossible efforts would be demanded and to whom all sorts of tricks would be taught. That's the Army in which I should like to fight.
by PSU_Lions_84 on Aug 15, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Is it true that all of the black hats are referred to as SERGEANT AIRBORNE?
"Faith requires no sources or proof, only a large amount of words." - unionblue, Civil War Talk
by ReadingRambler on Aug 15, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, but
the proper response is, “Clear, Sergeant! AIRBORNE!” People get confused that the sergeants are all generically named “Airborne” when in fact the Airborne shout is part of the esprit d’corps. It’s like when some units respond to something by including their motto: “Clear, Sergeant! Garry Owen!” for the 7th Cav.
Don’t get too hung up on the Airborne. It’s really just a means of transportation. It’s what a unit does AFTER it arrives that is important . . .
I'd like to have two Armies -- one for display, with lovely guns, tanks, little Soldiers, staffs, distinguished and doddering Generals and dear little regimental officers, who would be deeply concerned over their General's bowel movements or their Colonel's piles; an Army that would be shown for a modest fee on every fairground in the country.
The other would be the REAL ONE, composed entirely of young enthusiasts in camouflage uniforms, who would not be put on display but from whom impossible efforts would be demanded and to whom all sorts of tricks would be taught. That's the Army in which I should like to fight.
by PSU_Lions_84 on Aug 15, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't worry, I don't get too hung up on it.
Airborne operations reached their peak in 1944 and you know long that peak lasted? Less than one year. During Operation Varsity in 1945, we took an awful amount of casualties amongst the planes just from AA fire.
The 82nd and 101st are outstanding fighting units, no doubt, but in today’s world of SAMs and jet fighters, we’ll never see a division-size airborne landing and probably not even a brigade-size landing. In fact, the same may be true for helicopter-borne assaults. Airborne operations will remain one of many specialties used by light and small special operations forces who can jump into an area with a few aircraft in a short period of time.
"Faith requires no sources or proof, only a large amount of words." - unionblue, Civil War Talk
by ReadingRambler on Aug 15, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, I'll avoid the "hung up" pun available. You know, parachutes, trees, etc.
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by ReadingRambler on Aug 15, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
It was two-thirds
of a pun: P-U!
I'd like to have two Armies -- one for display, with lovely guns, tanks, little Soldiers, staffs, distinguished and doddering Generals and dear little regimental officers, who would be deeply concerned over their General's bowel movements or their Colonel's piles; an Army that would be shown for a modest fee on every fairground in the country.
The other would be the REAL ONE, composed entirely of young enthusiasts in camouflage uniforms, who would not be put on display but from whom impossible efforts would be demanded and to whom all sorts of tricks would be taught. That's the Army in which I should like to fight.
by PSU_Lions_84 on Aug 15, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
A favorite way to pee off the 82nd guys
when I was in was to point to their shoulder patch and innocently ask, "Does “AA” stand for almost airborne?"
And jumps for those spec ops guys are more and more HALO/HAHO. Static line jumping is a great way to cull the herd (not a pun about the 173rd), but it is not practical anymore, as you well noted.
I'd like to have two Armies -- one for display, with lovely guns, tanks, little Soldiers, staffs, distinguished and doddering Generals and dear little regimental officers, who would be deeply concerned over their General's bowel movements or their Colonel's piles; an Army that would be shown for a modest fee on every fairground in the country.
The other would be the REAL ONE, composed entirely of young enthusiasts in camouflage uniforms, who would not be put on display but from whom impossible efforts would be demanded and to whom all sorts of tricks would be taught. That's the Army in which I should like to fight.
by PSU_Lions_84 on Aug 15, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
And, of course, "black hats" reminds us of some of the army's finest volunteer traditions

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by ReadingRambler on Aug 15, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Not a problem. I'm a little disappointed too.
And you’re a most welcome commenter here, so don’t fret.
by Chris Grovich on Aug 15, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks, guys!
Glad I jumped in here. Much more give and take here than on other sites.
LET’S GET READY TO RUMBLE!
I'd like to have two Armies -- one for display, with lovely guns, tanks, little Soldiers, staffs, distinguished and doddering Generals and dear little regimental officers, who would be deeply concerned over their General's bowel movements or their Colonel's piles; an Army that would be shown for a modest fee on every fairground in the country.
The other would be the REAL ONE, composed entirely of young enthusiasts in camouflage uniforms, who would not be put on display but from whom impossible efforts would be demanded and to whom all sorts of tricks would be taught. That's the Army in which I should like to fight.
by PSU_Lions_84 on Aug 15, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Is he too good a guy?
He can only handle himself not what the other guys are doing -so, what’s holding him back? Is he too nice, is he not working hard enough – not strong enough, is he not getting the technique. Or is he on track, but waiting his turn?
It’s tough coming in as the top get, with high expectation.
'Trivializing the "GREATEST RIVALRY OF ALL TIME" for a bunch of ghetto tats must have made them pee in their man-diapers.' Mr. Rosewater
Oh, and I voted "same".
Okoli and Barham should be slightly better with experience. Stank is a mystery, though he doesn’t have to replace an All-American or anything. Anyone following Wiz is going to be a major downgrade, and I still have no idea what the hell is going to happen at the other guard position.
by Chris Grovich on Aug 15, 2011 9:30 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
This is basically how I feel.
I do, however, think Stank is going to be a big improvement from Klopacz.
All in all, the Big Ten is fairly depleted in the trenches this year so our worries shouldn’t be too great after Alabama. Or so I hope.
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by ReadingRambler on Aug 15, 2011 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I voted "better," but it's close.
The question really comes down to whether Stank replacing Klopacz and improvement from Barham and Okoli is enough to offset the loss of Wiz. Who knows?
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by Adam Collyer on Aug 15, 2011 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I voted for "better"
but I agree with everything you said. Health and consistency of the lineup will have a lot do with whether this group is the same or much better than last year.
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The interior really is the question mark.
I’m not too worried about the tackles, but the run blocking from last year was awful, and replacing two of those starters isn’t doing any help.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Aug 15, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Sometimes, that works.
But when the subtraction includes a guy that has a good chance ending up on the starting front line of an NFL team, that’s not addition.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Aug 15, 2011 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
While I believe
that Wiz absolutely has a starting position on an NFL offensive line in his future, for the present, he’ll have to settle for that job with the Raiders.
by PSU_Buch on Aug 15, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
jtot's right; replacing Klopacz is a help.
I highly, highly doubt Stank’s going to give us reason to doubt him or miss Klopacz. Doug’s a good guy, credit to the program, the whole bit, but let’s be honest.
The other guy, that guy who got drafted by the Raiders, his position is probably a different story.
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by ReadingRambler on Aug 15, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
The consensus seems to be
a bit of a loss in replacing Wiz, but a bit of an add for replacing Klopacz. Call me crazy, but I think that lends us in the positive, as it eliminates a weakness. (Again, not faulting Doug — just trying to be positive about this year’s line, on which a great deal depends.)
I'd like to have two Armies -- one for display, with lovely guns, tanks, little Soldiers, staffs, distinguished and doddering Generals and dear little regimental officers, who would be deeply concerned over their General's bowel movements or their Colonel's piles; an Army that would be shown for a modest fee on every fairground in the country.
The other would be the REAL ONE, composed entirely of young enthusiasts in camouflage uniforms, who would not be put on display but from whom impossible efforts would be demanded and to whom all sorts of tricks would be taught. That's the Army in which I should like to fight.
by PSU_Lions_84 on Aug 15, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
"lands"
I'd like to have two Armies -- one for display, with lovely guns, tanks, little Soldiers, staffs, distinguished and doddering Generals and dear little regimental officers, who would be deeply concerned over their General's bowel movements or their Colonel's piles; an Army that would be shown for a modest fee on every fairground in the country.
The other would be the REAL ONE, composed entirely of young enthusiasts in camouflage uniforms, who would not be put on display but from whom impossible efforts would be demanded and to whom all sorts of tricks would be taught. That's the Army in which I should like to fight.
by PSU_Lions_84 on Aug 15, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Watch for Donovan Smith.
Like Bill Belton with the receivers, nothing but good things are being said about Smith out of camp, and there are rumblings that he’s already at fourth-man-in status behind the starters and top reserve Mike Farrell.
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Fourth-man-in?
… wouldn’t that make him 7th man in? Or are you speaking strictly in regard to tackles?
Strictly tackles.
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by Jeff Junstrom on Aug 15, 2011 10:30 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
This may seem a bit of a stretch
But my dentist is apparently good friends with Miles Dieffenbach’s uncle or something like that, and she was told he’s going to be the starting center. Who knows how true that is, but I figured I’d pass it on.
Author on Anfield Asylum - YNWA
I saw Dieffenbach's uncle talking with Tom Bradley at the Corner Room.
DIEFFENBACH TO LINEBACKER!
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by ReadingRambler on Aug 15, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Was Rick Neuheisel there, too?
Word on the street is you're a jerk, Mitchell.
by icavalera on Aug 15, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
He was billed as the "center of the future" coming into the program.
But it appears to be Stank’s position for now. Seniority and all that.
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Success With Honor
by Jeff Junstrom on Aug 15, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Great write up!
Well done, Adam. One of the best articles I have read on BSD in a long time.
Would you agree that in all likelihood, our tackles will remain average and the our interior line has a little more upside? Here is the good news, for once it seems like we have a few guys that can actually step in and provide some decent depth if needed.
What do you think the chances are that someone can take Stank’s job?
I think that's an accurate statement.
It’s too bad that Okoli only moved last year, because I think he’s done a decent job. Better than that when you consider that it’s his first year playing OT. Barham and him are perfectly acceptable.
I think the interior has potential. I’ve liked Urschel since I read about him when he committed as an undiscovered kid out of New York State. I hope Troutman’s grown up, because he’s a man among boys when he’s on the field.
I think it’s possible that someone will take Stank’s job, but unlikely. I think he’ll be perfectly acceptable and has potential to be better. People seem to love Dieffenbach, though, and the reports on Howle are encouraging. I think we’re set at center for the foreseeable future. You have to like that.
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by Adam Collyer on Aug 15, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Hopefully the centers keep it up and two can fight their way onto the field.
We certainly saw last year that the coaching staff will put a great center at guard (and im sure visa versa) if there is a good player behind him. This is Troutmans last year right? Maybe Deiffenbach/Howle could compete for LG next year.
Howle's somewhat short for a guard
unless he’s grown. He ‘s listed on the roster at an even 6’0". I like to think Penn State doesn’t inflate their players’ stats (too much, anyway). He’d be giving away a lot of height to the average B1G down lineman.
(LOL: I am 5’6", so me calling Howle “short” is worth a laugh.)
I'd like to have two Armies -- one for display, with lovely guns, tanks, little Soldiers, staffs, distinguished and doddering Generals and dear little regimental officers, who would be deeply concerned over their General's bowel movements or their Colonel's piles; an Army that would be shown for a modest fee on every fairground in the country.
The other would be the REAL ONE, composed entirely of young enthusiasts in camouflage uniforms, who would not be put on display but from whom impossible efforts would be demanded and to whom all sorts of tricks would be taught. That's the Army in which I should like to fight.
by PSU_Lions_84 on Aug 15, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice! My favorite unit, tee hee hee
I loved the Urschel snaps count, the 6-straight thousand yard rushers stat and the relative evenhandedness regarding last year’s Oline squad. Standing alone (absent newbie qbies and PSU’s worst Defense in years), last year’s Oline didn’t totally suck. They got dominated where they were supposed to, by the monster Dline Units who have all been split up by graduation & suspension this year, and they fared well enough to pull out some victories against lesser D’s.
I’m usually exaggeratively bearish about this time of year, having seen no video and read nothing but paper depth charts or snippets bought from professionals with Holuba sources for five months, but there’s only one way this year’s Oline won’t be demonstrably better than last year’s and that’s injuries. This year’s RSSR’s, a staple on all historically great PSU Olines, Okoli & Barham are 3x the athlete that last year’s (Klopacz) was and they have more experience. Stank is gonna be a huge (HUGE!) upgrade at Center. His only experience was premature, and the result of unfortunate Troutman doghousing, but it’s gonna be helpful to him this year. Kid is smart, looks way stronger and a little more athletic than Klopacz was, and seems tough enough.
All the coaches know Johnny Troutman well enough by now. And he they. And the thing they both know is that Troutman is good. Way better than Deontae Pannell, who imho may be better suited for Dtackle. He’ll get through August with no dumbkopferry and no silly JoePa grudges about weight and will start 13 games. And yes, there will be some road grading going on. Granted & Asterisked, his best game last year was against Michigan’s tackling dummies, but watching him and Wiz pull and maul was downright beautiful. Coaching Troutman is all about motivation and I expect the coaches and he have an understanding about this by now. I look for big things.
And I’ll be the first to say it: we don’t need Wiz on this line. Oline is about cohesiveness and limiting mistakes more than it is about having a single dominant NFL talent. Wiz was most useful in 2008, when surrounded by other playas, but last year he could barely help Klopacz get to passable (and don’t make me quote Jack Ham!) Urschell will do just fine here.
Lastly, the entire offense will make fewer mistakes this year, which will help the Oline gel. The QB will take fewer sacks & make fewer picks and hell, while I’m at it, the receivers will drop fewer passes. Beachum will be back. Redd will dazzle. The offense will put together long drives that feed Oline momentum. It will be glorious. And we will bask.
Starting with the Crimson Tide.
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by jtothep on Aug 15, 2011 11:06 AM EDT reply actions 5 recs
Agree with this
Lacking a weak link or two (the Klop) is way more important than having a legit star (the Wiz), and that’s reason for serious optimism. Troutman may end up being a star, here’s hoping, but I’m more excited about the idea that I just don’t see any truly weak links on this line. Who knows, they haven’t played a game together yet, but there’s reason for optimism.
I think the difference between this team struggling to 8-4 and this team being a legit MNC contender will be the consistent decency of the combination of the o-line and QB. They may not be great, but I’m not so certain that greatness is a necessity considering all the other parts on the team.
"I play for Penn State, we don't celebrate after TDs." - Penn State's Derek Moye, on being asked to act like he's celebrating a TD during a BTN shoot.
Agreed:
They may not be great, but I’m not so certain that greatness is a necessity considering all the other parts on the team.
jtothetweet
"Hate doesn't give a damn about tactics or stategy. Hate cares only about hate." --rosswbhgp
jtot drinkin' the Kool-Aid, I love it
As for Troutman’s motivation, somebody needs to remind him early and often that the NFL pays mucho dinero and he needs to get some. Then he can eat and drink as much as he wants.
Redd, et al., should be able to rack up some yards behind Chima and Urschel. I was real impressed with Chima considering the limited reps he had prior to Lou going down.
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by Frank O'Brien on Aug 15, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah! Also, please quote Jack Ham.
My favorite positions are defensive line and offensive line. And it’s about time we go back to the days when both positions were awe-inspiring for little kids and fear-inspiring for opponents!




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by ReadingRambler on Aug 15, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
It wasn't
His finest on-air moment.
jtothetweet
"Hate doesn't give a damn about tactics or stategy. Hate cares only about hate." --rosswbhgp
You know, I was just thinking about this...
Can you listen to the games online (Straight radio will be unavailable due to a variety of reasons)? Because, while I know the delay of at least seven seconds makes watching and listening very painful, I kinda sorta want to try it if it means 1) Jack Ham and 2) No awful TV announcers.
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by ReadingRambler on Aug 15, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes
Letsgo gave me the link, but I can’t find it right now. Search bsd for jack ham jtothep, it should turn up.
Two things I couldn’t get wrapped up last year: recording of the live internet radio stream to mp3 (for better audio mix into the video cuts—really would’ve been nice to overwrite the telly announcers with some Jack), and a smooth sync between HD cable video, internet radio audio and the twitter. I obviously never got a sense from twitter of which cable companies had closer to real-time over the air signal, but the audio/video could be synced with a dvr. Downside was you had to sync it each commercial, b/c audio might come back on before video did, so you have to listen to Steve call the alignment and get accustomed to his tone as the QB walks to the line, so that you unpause in time. It’s a bit of a hassle, but better than hearing Jack mutter Jesus before watching Klop (h/t to ckmneon) on screen blow an assignment.
jtothetweet
"Hate doesn't give a damn about tactics or stategy. Hate cares only about hate." --rosswbhgp
I'm confused.
I obviously never got a sense from twitter of which cable companies had closer to real-time over the air signal, but the audio/video could be synced with a dvr
1) How were you using the tweedle-de-doo to find info about the telly? I don’t understand.
2)To synch the DVR with the radio, the radio broadcast has to be behind the television broadcast. Of course, it almost never works that way. I haven’t found a television broadcast that was ahead of the radio since the 2008 Purdue game (And, yes, it was a sweet relief to get Steve & Jack instead of ANDRE WARE). What I’m asking is this: Did you find some TV broadcasts that were ahead of the radio? Or what? Again, I’m not really understanding. Can you give me some more details on the process you used?
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by ReadingRambler on Aug 15, 2011 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
sorry
1. I saw some tweets announcing a play before I saw it on my telly. Meaning they saw the play before I did. Possible reasons:
- they were at the game, tweeting and my cable telly had a delay from real life
- I messed up and had my dvr paused too long
- I was as live as I could get on my telly, but their cable company had less of a delay than mine did. This may sound less feasible, but could be more common than I think, given all the networks & equipment signals have to go through to get to my flatscreen. I also have seen a slight difference between Standard Def & High Def on my own telly, so that lends credence to its possibility.
2. I often found that my internet radio broadcast was behind my HD telly. You may not have seen heard this yet if you have not listened to audio ‘radio’ from a website. I can’t get Jack on an FM signal in my house, so had to use the internet and listen to him through a browser audio player. And it was, if I played both at their real-time, behind the telly’s HD video.
jtothetweet
"Hate doesn't give a damn about tactics or stategy. Hate cares only about hate." --rosswbhgp
Ok, thanks.
Obviously I screwed up my forgetting what, exactly, you were listening to.
Well, anyway, thanks again. I’ll give it a shot and hope Jack doesn’t have reason to cuss (Especially in vain!) this year.
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by ReadingRambler on Aug 15, 2011 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Gerald Smith, while no all-timer
does not deserve to be footnoted with the other two. Terrence Phillips on the other hand.
I remember being legitamitely excited about these guys. What great recruting gets. 20/20 hindsight: what a great steaming pile of wreckage.
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It should be better, if for no reasom than the guys in the backfield
Love Troutman, the interior seeks pretty good. Okoli is pretty good, not great and is really just an athletic guard.
And then there’s Quinn Barham. Was not remotely a fan of his last year. Looked decent vs bad competition, shaky vs good, insipid vs great. Also, we couldn’t run off tackle to the left side (and when we did, he’d get knocked into the backfield {Exactly what happened vs Ohio State on 4th and 3}). Not a very big fan of his. He seems to have it together mentally and should provide better protection, buf honestly, he’s not really the LT I’d look for.
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by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Aug 15, 2011 1:26 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I've done some research
and I can’t find another FBS team that has separate coaches for the interior of the line and for the tackles / tight ends. Considering that cohesiveness is so important, it puzzles me that we have two o-line coaches. And I can’t help but wonder if that has something to do with the o-line’s performance issues over the years. (Any sports writers have the gnads to ask Joe that question?)
Anyway, I voted “same”. I’m in show-me mode. I certainly hope it will be better.
I have no idea why PSU does that.
Although I guess it’s just slightly different than having a TE-only coach.
by Chris Grovich on Aug 15, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Preseason favorite Oklahoma
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by Frank O'Brien on Aug 15, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
22 votes for "worse" -- ????
Any volunteers to ’splain why you voted that way? Just curious . . . .
I'd like to have two Armies -- one for display, with lovely guns, tanks, little Soldiers, staffs, distinguished and doddering Generals and dear little regimental officers, who would be deeply concerned over their General's bowel movements or their Colonel's piles; an Army that would be shown for a modest fee on every fairground in the country.
The other would be the REAL ONE, composed entirely of young enthusiasts in camouflage uniforms, who would not be put on display but from whom impossible efforts would be demanded and to whom all sorts of tricks would be taught. That's the Army in which I should like to fight.
I would assume because Wiz is gone
though I am not one of those 22 votes. (FWIW, I voted same)
Fire Dan Snyder
I voted better
and I’ve actually been one of the humbugs voting ‘Samez’ on a lot of these (pretend I’m from Missouri and ‘show me,’ Lions). I was really impressed with the play of Okoli last year. There was room for improvement, and I think we’ll see it this year.
But beyond that, there is certainly precedent at Penn State for once-middling offensive line units to return the next season in a much-improved form. While this trend makes me want to yank out my hair during the transition years (especially in the context of how easily programs like O$U and Iowa seem to reload up front), it certainly makes for a fun season when you have an experienced group that clicks.
I think we have a case here where the “slings and arrows” endured by last year’s linemen will pay dividends for 2011.
by PSU_Buch on Aug 15, 2011 2:51 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs

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