Now That Miami's Living On Borrowed Time, What's Next?
by Peter Gray on Aug 17, 2011 2:00 PM EDT
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For the few of you that haven't yet read Charles Robinson's masterpiece, here's a quick rundown of what rogue booster Nevin Shapiro was dabbling in at Miami over the past ten years or so:
- Cash
- Jewelry/Clothes/Miscellaneous gifts including RIMS
- Hotels and travel
- Housing
- Prostitutes - scads upon scads of prostitutes
- Access to a yacht and mansions for parties
- Funneling players to a representation firm that he co-owned with the current UFL commissioner with cash and gifts
- Routine VIP nights at South Beach clubs and strip clubs
- Coaches either on the take or aware of what was happening
- $500 for a stripper to get an abortion after a football player got her pregnant
I realize there's a lot of speculation here, but this story is venturing into uncharted waters. This situation is extremely fluid and could change drastically at any moment.
First thing's first: If I were Al Golden, any holdover staff members that may be involved in this are immediately fired. And I mean immediately. Now that the spotlight is on UM, they really can't afford to even have the image of impropriety right now (For a list of staff members mentioned in the report and what they're doing now, click here). As of this morning, the current players mentioned in the report are still practicing, but don't be surprised if they're preemptively sit down when the season starts to avoid fielding ineligible players. These players include notable starters Jacory Harris, Travis Benjamin and Sean Spence.
The more pertinent question, especially to Penn State fans, is what happens to Al Golden moving forward. He will not be in trouble because of the Yahoo! report since he took over after Shapiro went to prison. However, he just took over at a program now besieged by the biggest college football scandal since SMU, and the administration let him walk into a buzzsaw without alerting him of it. Does that sound like the kind of bosses you would want to work for? Personally, if I were him I would've been on the phone with my lawyer last night to see if I could get out of my contract, but at the very least you would have to think that Golden would be willing to jump ship at the first decent opportunity.
I don't think he's going to quit without another option lined up, but I highly doubt that Golden will have any kind of long-term future at Miami. His next move is anyone's guess, but I wouldn't be surprised if it came sooner rather than later.
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My guess is that Golden will coach through the season
and maybe one or two after. No one would blame him for walking away, but to keep the Miami program afloat in the wake of this kind of devastation would be a uniquely potent demonstration of character and ability as a coach. Golden strikes me as the kind of guy who would rise to that challenge.
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by newenglandnittanylion on Aug 17, 2011 2:07 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
After an obligatory perusal of one of the Canes message boards
I have concluded that some doctoral student needs to do a thesis on how fan bases react to revelations like these.
“It’s all hearsay. They won’t be able to prove it.”
“The media is out to get us.”
“Everybody’s doing it. We just got caught.”
“The guy’s lying — he’s a convicted felon.”
Seriously. It was deja vu from just a few months ago.
by CvilleLion on Aug 17, 2011 2:07 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Oh my god, they're as bad as tOSU fans
I didn’t think that was humanly possible
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I know we did this excercise before but
Ummm…they do have evidence including eye-witness testimony, financial records, and photographs.
The media is out to get everybody because thats what the media’s job is, to expose the truth.
You did do it, and you got caught. That still constitutes breaking the rules.
Why would he lie about the U? Its not like its going to get him anything for it.
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The "convicted felon" angle is the only one that really irks me
Sure, I take what he says with a grain or two of salt. He’s admittedly angry and out for revenge. But Robinson and Wetzel turned up a TON of corroborating evidence—including sworn testimony of some of Shapiro’s business partners. Apparently Shapiro named over a hundred players in his interviews, but Yahoo! only went with the 73 against whom there was additional corroborating evidence.
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by newenglandnittanylion on Aug 17, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
And he even mentions in his article that Shapiro is doing this because
he was upset by so many former players and people he’d helped out turning their backs on him when he needed them. If somebody was making up a story, I’m sure you would have heard about 3 or 4 names come out. But I don’t think Shapiro would have made up 100 names of people he’d helped. This sure does look like a program killer.
It's funny to me
At this point, Robinson and Wetzel would be idiots to launch a story that they know is not 100% accurate. They have been killing it these last 3 years so there is no reason to damage their reputation by even getting the littlest of facts wrong.
In short, Miami is effed.
How set for life is Robinson?
Seriously, all he needs to do is write a book and some memoirs or something and he’s pretty much done.
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This is the kind of stuff..
that should win a guy/gal a Pulitzer, but I don’t think they give it to sports writers often if ever.
Scott, things aren't as happy as they used to be down here at the unemployment office. Joblessness is no longer just for Philosophy majors - useful people are starting to feel the pinch.
by Esteban d' Amur on Aug 17, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Totally agree.
Stories like this often start around the edges and are developed in a string of follow up articles as more facts come to light (like with tOSU). This Miami piece was a huge and supported data dump. Pulitzer stuff IMO.
Also, note the number of named individuals who are unavailable for comment. That's telling.
Not many protestations of innocence coming out of Miami from those directly involved.
They are in their foxholes.
This surprises me...
I would expect most Canes fans to embrace this.
Isn’t this the school that had an alum analyst stating on the air during the FIU brawl that he wished he could get down on the field and land some punches. Yes, yes it is. And their fans are worse than the program.
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Personally I haven't met a bad Miami fan in real life or online
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by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Aug 17, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s because there’s no real thing as a Miami “fan.” They all just jump on and off the bandwagon. Like now.
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by blackjackfishtaco on Aug 17, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
This... this is true
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by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Aug 17, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
On a related note, I will take any suggestions for taunts at Miami fans for the VT-Miami game on 10/08.
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by blackjackfishtaco on Aug 17, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
We'd call you losers but the correct term is vacated
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by skarocksoi on Aug 17, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
They are Miami fans
Easiest insult is to remind them of this fact.
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Probably cause most of them have never even set foot on campus
they’re just punks who liked the “U swagga”
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exactly..
they’re proud of their thug heritage.
by Artiefufkin10 on Aug 17, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I've read some rumors (and they are only rumors, no truth to this)
That the brawl may have had something to do with a bounty that Shapiro placed.
I hesitated to post it because I don't believe it
But there are some rumors (extremely light it should be noted) that state these may stem to some injury bounties or something like that.
To me, it sounds like someone made that up, and somone started running with it hoping it would pick up steam.
Well, I remember after the brawl that many analysts were saying FIU and Miami players were largely recruited from the same areas, so there may have been some bad blood from high school. And since Shapiro was so “close” to these players, he may have lay a bounty against FIU as retribution for this bad blood. Of course, it’s still a bounty against FIU, which is sad.
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by blackjackfishtaco on Aug 17, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
That might be it.
Or it might be that Miami players are a bunch of thugs.
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by ReadingRambler on Aug 17, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
They be some dirty folk
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I don't think it was a pre-game bounty
BUT, the Robinson article said he paid players for stuff like injuring other players and “hit of the game” so you can bet it’s a possibility that players figured, “What the hell, get in there and land a few punches, maybe Lil’ Luke will throw me a few C-notes after the game…”
I saw prostitutes, and I had to ask
Did Craig James kill any of them?
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by dawsonPSU10 on Aug 17, 2011 2:08 PM EDT reply actions 10 recs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlNXKOChi8w
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by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Aug 17, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Barring some sort of Coordinator job opening up at the last minute
I think Golden goes the year then bails for whatever HC job he can get. Or maybe if he can legally back out of his contract without losing any money, he might just call it quits and sit the year out. I highly doubt that second option though, judging from what I’ve read about the man. Hell, if he can put together an above .500 season, some school out there will look at him like a damn miracle worker and hire him. But there is no way I would stick around longer than a year if I were him, just on principle alone.
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I think so too
It’s too close to the season for anything to come down on Miami this year.
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And they might not even have a program after this year anyways
so he may be looking for a job no matter what. But I’d say its about 85-95% likely he’s not the HC this time next year.
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Got this off another forum
Twelve current players on that list. Projected starters are italicized:
Ray-Ray Armstrong
Travis Benjamin
Dyron Dye
Marcus Forston
Jacory Harris
Aldarius Johnson
JoJo Nicolas
Adewale Ojomo
Marcus Robinson
Sean Spence
Vaughn Telemaque
Olivier Vernon
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by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Aug 17, 2011 2:09 PM EDT reply actions
Damn
I am thinking they will get Pryor treatment. good thing they delayed the supplemental nfl draft
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Slightly off topic, but quasi-related....
but how lucky can the Buckeyes get?? I mean, there is a slight chance that they may not get major penalties placed upon them by the NCAA and then now this situation makes their case look like even lesser violations.
Not to mention that this Miami game was going to be the only difficult non-conference game the Buckeyes have this year and it looks like half the starting roster might not even be eligible for the game. Seriously, I can’t even begin to describe how much I loathe OSU…..
Well, its getting buried by all the Miami stuff
but they arent out of the woods yet. Pryor is supposedly going to the NCAA with admissions he took money while at OSU. There’s a chance this could screw them even more in the future, though it might have to wait until they are finished with miami.
If I were any other sports news outlet though, I’d be sending my guys in force to OSU to look more into this stuff to try and get my own big news to break.
In other other news, ESPN’s big response to this story: “We hired another reporter for more NFL coverage! YAY!”
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I did see that additional info about Pryor
and the extra admissions he made about taking money. I’m hoping that will really hurt them moving forward as well.
Well of course ESPN didn’t do anything about it, I mean, they are ESPN. They are too busy preparing all their NY Jet and NE Patriot coverage to care about a little “mishap” at one of the “elite” programs in the country.
Virginia Tech did something wrong?
This is BSD, the crazy stirs itself.
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by Paige2PSU on Aug 17, 2011 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You've heard of the Vick brothers, right?
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by 06Lion on Aug 17, 2011 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I haven't heard a thing
since Marcus stomped on my head a few years back.
Hello?
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by Pete the Streak on Aug 18, 2011 7:26 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
and slept with your 15 yr old sister, after getting her high.
My grammer skills need improved.
by BMAN13 on Aug 18, 2011 7:39 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He's misunderstood.
She misunderstood him.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
There's room enough for everybody...
the judging should be absolute, not relative.
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Not lucky--good!
Ohio State is the absolute best at:
1. Compartmentalizing their transgressions in a historically experienced culture of cheating
2. Paying the right people (E. Gordon & their PR Firm)
3. Throwing the right people under the bus. Or appearing to do so.
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by jtothep on Aug 17, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
True....other programs should look to them on how to succeed
Didn’t Boise State fire their AD (or have him step down) over violations that were discovered across the football and other programs?? What idiots! Had they just followed OSU’s model, their AD would have soon been the chairman of the NCAA basketball tournament and been as highly regarded as Gene Smith!
Not just that
But that AD had been there for about 30 years.
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Are you saying that
Shapiro is on tOSU payroll and they were just waiting for the right time to say the passphrase to unleash this distraction?
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LUKE FICKELL ROAD ON SHAPIRO'S YACHT!
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oh my, road?
shouting fail.
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You don't have to apologize for anything today.
Your links and quotes have made me a happy man.
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by ReadingRambler on Aug 17, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
ha, wait til you see the one below!
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I suppose we'll need to come up with a catchy name for the 9/17 game in Miami
The Vacation Bowl
The soon to back wallowing in mediocrity bowl
Or perhaps something simple like “The Toilet Bowl”
Waddya got?
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by Frank O'Brien on Aug 17, 2011 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nice
What’s that herpes drug? Maybe they’ll sponsor the game
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by Frank O'Brien on Aug 17, 2011 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Contest is already closed.
Someone on Twitter last night called it the “Ineligibowl”.
by Chris Grovich on Aug 17, 2011 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Something no fan will ever want to hear:
“Dan Wetzel and Charles Robinson were spotted on campus today.”
I think I would crawl into bed and pull the covers over my head.
Oh, also:
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by Peter Gray on Aug 17, 2011 2:17 PM EDT reply actions 9 recs
Ok, which is better
the Pryor/Dumb and Dumber gif or this one?
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This gif is top five for me
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Irvin pretty much makes it
I imagine he woke up this morning, turned on the computer and saw the Yahoo article, then was like “awwww hell naw” and just buried his face in a pile of cocaine Scarface style. Then was like “nope, gonna need more than the usual” and did it again.
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by skarocksoi on Aug 17, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Rec'd
For ‘awwww hell naw.’
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100 years ago, Irvin would
have been a hit Vaudeville act.
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by rahpsu92 on Aug 17, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I'm just sayin
what Craig James is to hookers, Michael Irvin is to Cocaine.
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by skarocksoi on Aug 17, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
Guys, he was just holding the crackpipe for a friend
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
that makes sense
those things get hot
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Michael Irvin allegedly killed at least 5 cocaines?
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by dawsonPSU10 on Aug 17, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I thought that was pretty much proven by this point
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Craig James actually snorted 5 hookers?
Any allegation that Craig James killed 5 hookers at SMU is merely an allegation that Craig James killed 5 hookers at SMU.
Exactly what about this would....
a] be news to Michael Irvin or b] upset him in the slightest.
Ahhhh.....s@#t.
I think its more that they got ratted out and caught
cause I’m sure Michael Irvin knows, snitches get stitches.
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I've been watching this for five minutes straight
I can not look away. My afternoon is shot.
by kijana's acl on Aug 17, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
My entire day was shot
theres no way I can turn away from this train wreck to do something productive.
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Yeah. And I can't get these annoying clients to stop calling me.
Don’t they know I’m doing something important?
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by OctaShields on Aug 17, 2011 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
I cannot stop watching this.
Irvin is… I have no idea.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
And they haven't even been winning the last few years.
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It's tough to win
When all you do is party and sleep with prostitutes. And you have to imagine this caused some locker-room drama, as not every player goes to college for that stuff.
not to mention
staying up all hours to make sure your prostitute’s abortion went well.
For the glory
by lionalum05 on Aug 17, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
You know what Shapiro's problem is?
He’s 5’ 5" tall (& he’s from NYC). Talk about conflict.
Napoleon syndrome wrapped around the, how do I put this, abrasiveness that only NYC can produce.
'Trivializing the "GREATEST RIVALRY OF ALL TIME" for a bunch of ghetto tats must have made them pee in their man-diapers.' Mr. Rosewater
Have you been to New York City, bro?
We’re not abrasive. We just don’t like wasting time and people who walk slow.
by misdreavus79 on Aug 17, 2011 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Home of seven professional sports teams.
And the Mets.
"Is that a shot at me? 'cause that makes me want to read it all the less."
by MainLion on Aug 18, 2011 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The Mets are like Big East football
- No matter how good they may actually be nowadays, you’ll never get credit for actually beating them because everyone else assumes that they suck.
- They’re never you’re real rival, they don’t rival you, but it’s amusing to watch them fail flail about.
Upon further reflection:
The Mets = Big East Football = Michigan State – Mark Dantonio = “Sparty, no!”
Yeah, uh huh
And then you damn city slickers come out here, find open roads, and you’re all like, “OMG THIS GUY’S GOING 45 IN A 45 OOOOOOOMG AAAAAGH!”
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by ReadingRambler on Aug 18, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
If Kirby Hocutt wasn't watching his back before
A person familiar with the situation said much of Shapiro’s access to Hurricane programs in recent years was approved by former athletic director Kirby Hocutt, who has since left the school for Texas Tech. The person spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because of the ongoing joint investigation between the university and the NCAA.
Hocutt, the person said, allowed Shapiro on the sideline before football games at times during the 2008 season, plus invited him to select gatherings reserved for the athletic department’s biggest donors.
“That’s what Kirby did,” the person said. “His No. 1 job was to raise money and this Nevin Shapiro guy was one of the few people Kirby could get to write checks.”
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And then Holcutt hires the slimy man known as Tommy Tuberville
Ohhhh my
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by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Aug 17, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I bought my dad the "Championship Collection" from GoPSUSports for Christmas a few years ago
It was awesome
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How many prostitutes are in a "scad"
Do you measure by weight or units?
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Everybody does?
You know, maybe TP was right afterall.
by kijana's acl on Aug 17, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
the best part
was that Nevin didn’t tell the player, because he thought the player would want to keep it.
I MEAN, REALLY? How is that, of everything, this dude’s business? What if this guy finds out later on he can’t have kids? I mean, really. This just offends me the most.
Fire Dan Snyder
Via NFL.com
"Vince Wilfork, New England Patriots defensive tackle: A $50,000 lump sum payment, separate multiple cash gifts in the thousands of dollars and three game bounty payments totaling $1,250.
"Antrel Rolle, New York Giants safety: Approximately $40,000, a $7,500 Jacob the Jeweler watch and $1,500 in game bounties.
"Frank Gore, San Francisco 49ers running back: Between $20,000 and $30,000 in cash.
"Devin Hester, Chicago Bears wide receiver/kick returner: Approximately $3,000 for an engagement ring, $7,500 in game bounties, cash for rims for his sport-utility vehicle and assorted clothing and entertainment.
"Sean Taylor, former Washington Redskins safety: A pair of diamond-studded dog tags from Buchwald Jewelers for approximately $15,000, and $3,000 in game bounties.
"Willis McGahee, Denver Broncos running back: Unspecified cash gifts, $2,000 in cash bounties, two tailored suits worth about $2,000 and plane tickets for his girlfriend and a second woman to attend the 2002 Heisman Trophy ceremony in New York.
"Tavares Gooden, Baltimore Ravens linebacker: A $7,500 Jacob the Jeweler watch, a suit and assorted clothing, a job with the Miami Beach Police Athletic League, and a studio apartment which Shapiro owned and let Gooden use for one to two months.
"Jonathan Vilma, New Orleans Saints linebacker: Unspecified cash gifts and $2,250 in game bounties.
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by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Aug 17, 2011 2:38 PM EDT reply actions
Well they condensed it, easy to read
"We're going to do all we can to get this team right, to go after that national championship" - Devon Still
by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Aug 17, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
So do I have to pay extra
to draft these guys in fantasy football?
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by skarocksoi on Aug 17, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That or you can let them use your house for something
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by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Aug 17, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
just as long as they dont go anywhere near my jetskis or yacht
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by skarocksoi on Aug 17, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I can't believe Hester outgained Sean Taylor in game bounties
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My favorite
He got money for drawing a celebration penalty. Go Miami.
jtot, you shouldn't have posted that quote about our football players taking a wres...mentality.
I can’t even write the full word without feeling …. you know.
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by ReadingRambler on Aug 17, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
A little tight in your jeans
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I am not ashamed to admit that that's true. Wres---- does things to me I didn't know sports could do.
I’m so addicted to it, so utterly addicted to it. Wres—- drives me mad, the only way it could drive me more mad is if it grew a stache. And now? Now that my three favorite things – wres—-, football, mustaches – are combining together….mercy. Goodness. Wow.
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by ReadingRambler on Aug 17, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey
It takes suffering thru the doldrums to fully appreciate when life is at its greatest, does it not?
Plus, you’ll always remember your First Time.
(yes, I just re-read through 609 comments for posterity and joy)
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Would you like to hear my story about my first time?
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by ReadingRambler on Aug 17, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought I already did
We may win many more titles under these coaches, but there will never be one as satisfying as this. And that includes a national title.
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I'm so glad you were there to share my special moment.
I was really nervous, but it was great, truly great, and intense.
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by ReadingRambler on Aug 17, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Someday I hope to take it to a new level of sensuality
Perhaps I’ll go to one of the Iowa duals, or, maybe, I’ll actually wrestle someone and feel the urge to kill, the bloodlust, the sweet sweat of fierce predatory competition.
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by ReadingRambler on Aug 17, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe the local Y has a Masters Wrestling class
Like they do with swimming.
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"Hate doesn't give a damn about tactics or stategy. Hate cares only about hate." --rosswbhgp
I think I'd rather rassle (You and I are from the 717 - we need to say it like we're from the 717) my cousin.
He was in the band at BHS. There were plenty of verbal fights between the band geeks and the rasslers, with both sides deriding each other with teenage boy insults, “hur hurr hurr hurr derp de derp you’re gay band geeks deerp” “Yeah, well, you roll around on the floor with other boys! Gay! Hurr hur hurrr hurr hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.”
My cousin doesn’t accuse rasslers of being “hurr hurr gay hurrrrrr”, but he doesn’t really like it. And I want to feel the urge to kill within me, the competing instincts to kill and spare his life, the life spirit of the eternal rasslin struggle, all of it. I want to feel all of the glorious competition, the blodlust, and, hopefully (Because I don’t want to go to jail), the smart instinct against murder, I want to feel it as I “score more points” against my kin.
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by ReadingRambler on Aug 17, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
You know, if more people wrestled, they'd feel better about themselves.
It’s how I channel my aggression and my manly urges.
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by ReadingRambler on Aug 17, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
But I love how Frank Gore was only
straight cash homey.
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Yes, but that would be an interesting twist to tie those punks back into Shapiro.
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by Frank O'Brien on Aug 17, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Weren't they just landscaping kids who thought it'd be great
to rob the house of a semi-unhinged NFL safety? I mean seriously, how could they honestly have been surprised when Taylor ran at them with a fucking machete? I would have been thinking, “Welp, should have seen THAT coming.”
Allegedly they killed five hookers on Shapiro’s yacht.
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by Frank O'Brien on Aug 17, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
When did Craig James get into this conversation? I thought we were talking about Taylor
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by dawsonPSU10 on Aug 17, 2011 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
If Golden doesn't
dismiss every player and coach involved with this, he’s off my list of desirable candidates to succeed JoePa
coaches, definitely
dismissing every player? not necessarily. There are varying degrees. Though suspensions for all of them I am all for.
Fire Dan Snyder
AL GOLDEN FOR PENN STATE TIGHT END'S COACH
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Ooh, that missplaced apostrophe
Kinda makes for an awkward sentence now.
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by ReadingRambler on Aug 17, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Most shocking thing.
Donna Shalala still hasn’t resigned, and is instead talking about how disheartened she is. Funny, seeing how that smiling picture with her and that twerp where he is handing her 50k has made her look like an ass.
She was an ass...
before that picture. The picture just made her look like a bigger one.
Scott, things aren't as happy as they used to be down here at the unemployment office. Joblessness is no longer just for Philosophy majors - useful people are starting to feel the pinch.
by Esteban d' Amur on Aug 17, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ms. Shalala learned corruption from the best
“I did not have sex with take money from that” man!
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by Frank O'Brien on Aug 17, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Statement from Ms. Shalala
link Emphasis mine
“As a member of the university family, I am upset, disheartened, and saddened by the recent allegations leveled against some current and past student- athletes and members of our athletic department,” Shalala wrote. "Make no mistake — I regard these allegations with the utmost of seriousness and understand the concern of so many of you.
“We will vigorously pursue the truth, wherever that path may lead, and I have insisted upon complete, honest, and transparent cooperation with the NCAA from our staff and students. Our counsel is working jointly with the NCAA Enforcement Division in a thorough and meticulous investigation, which will require our patience.
“I am in daily communication with our Board of Trustees, Executive Committee, director of athletics, and counsel, and will continue to work closely with the leaders of our university.”
How about these allegations Ms. Shalala: Why are you smiling at that check handed to you by the punk that recently assaulted your Director of Compliance?
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by Frank O'Brien on Aug 17, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
The best reason yet to allow players to earn money
Who exactly is surprised that this was happening at Miami during the last decade? Pretty much every college football fan, I imagine, assumed that Miami was running something of a dirty program for the last decade (if not much longer). The same could be said of USC, OSU, and plenty of other programs. Without Yahoo Sports, these schools would likely not be caught; many others are going unpunished as we speak.
Who are the true victims of this system? The Penn States and Stanfords of the world. How in the world is Joe Paterno supposed to recruit against this? When you have rules that are routinely broken and show no sign of changing, isn’t it wise to consider changing the rules?
I’m resisting the urge to turn this into a fanpost in which people will claim that I want to kill college sports, which are so pure and innocent and amateur at present. Puh-lease.
Also, I love Teddy Dupay.
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
Will I resist the urge to call you sanctimonious?
No!
YOU’RE SANCTIMONIOUS LIKE ALL PENN STATE FANS!
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by ReadingRambler on Aug 17, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the word you're looking for is....
humble
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
by spakajewia on Aug 17, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No, you're totally sanctimonious.
STOP TRYING TO FIND INJUSTICES EVERYWHERE.
Now. Merle Haggard not getting any more air time on country stations anymore. Now that’s a damn injustice right there.
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by ReadingRambler on Aug 17, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
How in the world could you ever call someone with the humility
to write a post telling other fans how to act ‘sanctimonious’?
Looking up sanctimonious in the dictionar…oh, shit…
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
by spakajewia on Aug 17, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Woo!
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by ReadingRambler on Aug 17, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
"Thank you shoeshine boy. You're humble and lovable."
Word on the street is you're a jerk, Mitchell.
by icavalera on Aug 17, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
My, my...
isn’t this fitting
That’s where their stash has been hidden, it’s in the ‘ring…’
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...
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by BlueWhiteLife on Aug 17, 2011 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
When you have rules that are routinely broken and show no sign of changing, isn’t it wise to consider changing the rules?
Or perhaps the heading organization could decide to enforce the rules more stringently. Crazy idea, I know.
Oh, and P.S. while I know you really just want to rant about the injustices of college football, I feel the need to point out that this whole thing goes well, well beyond your ideas. As Bellanca has pointed out at BHGP, there’s enough here to make this a RICO case.
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by ReadingRambler on Aug 17, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
YOU WANT TO KILL COLLEGE SPORTS.
SERIOUSLY, I DON’T THINK TH…Oh. Seriously, I don’t think that making it easier for players to earn money through work is a bad deal. My problem is with the thinking that setting an arbitrary amount, say $1500 per semester, is going to put any doubt into the mind of a kid who would be interested in coke and hooker parties at some dude’s Mediterranean style mansion on the water.
In other words, providing athletes with a meager stipend is just raising the baseline from which cheaters will continue to cheat.
by Chris Grovich on Aug 17, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
hbeach's solution is the best (find it yourself).
And I, again, don’t think the injustices of college football have much of anything to do with the rules themselves.
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by ReadingRambler on Aug 17, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
justice has nothing to do with college football.
Scott, things aren't as happy as they used to be down here at the unemployment office. Joblessness is no longer just for Philosophy majors - useful people are starting to feel the pinch.
by Esteban d' Amur on Aug 17, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I support an olympic model in which players can earn sponsorships, etc
so way more than $1500 or whatever a semester. Maybe there should be a limit, but I’d be inclined to put it much higher.
And yes, I’m sure that would make things inequal b/c the directional State’s of the world could never compete, but things are unequal in the current model and the dudes that follow the rules are the ones that have a hard time competing.
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
Then let them go to the Olympics, not College.
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by Frank O'Brien on Aug 17, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Maybe we should reserve college for real athletes:
Now, I’m not trying to say that non-rasslers aren’t athletes….oh, who am I kidding, yes, I am.
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by ReadingRambler on Aug 17, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Why isn't he holding the intercontinental belt?
I guess he hasn’t turned pro yet.
by kijana's acl on Aug 17, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
You what's the most amusing?
Penn State would kill bitches in football games if we paid our players. Seriously, PSU has such a huge fanbase, and giant boosters….
we’d wreck it. And I seriously hope they don’t allow it
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by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Aug 17, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
USC looks...
like a choir boy compared to this.
Scott, things aren't as happy as they used to be down here at the unemployment office. Joblessness is no longer just for Philosophy majors - useful people are starting to feel the pinch.
by Esteban d' Amur on Aug 17, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
seriously
though I’d be willing to wager money the exact same things were going on there, but were just never uncovered. You’re that close to LA which is full of millionaires who love USC and they aren’t throwing around cash for those players to get strip clubs and whatever else? I doubt it. I just bet they didn’t flaunt it as much and it wasn’t all connected to one specific guy.
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Maybe, maybe not...
I’m sure Robinson and company would’ve found it, but they didn’t. They only found that two guys who had nothing to do with USC football gave Reggie Bush a bunch of money and bought his parents a house in San Diego.
Scott, things aren't as happy as they used to be down here at the unemployment office. Joblessness is no longer just for Philosophy majors - useful people are starting to feel the pinch.
by Esteban d' Amur on Aug 17, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
it was their first time
maybe they were a little gunshy
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I doubt it...
but everybody is a little gunshy the first time.:)
Scott, things aren't as happy as they used to be down here at the unemployment office. Joblessness is no longer just for Philosophy majors - useful people are starting to feel the pinch.
by Esteban d' Amur on Aug 17, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
they take care of their boosters
and thus their boosters are loyal, and wouldn’t want to turn against them.
Just my opinion.
Fire Dan Snyder
How so?
The best reason yet to allow players to earn money
You think that if a kid had a $200 dollar a month stipend that he would turn down the hooker and the free abortion? I seriously doubt that.
Ahhhh.....s@#t.
My idea more or less is to let the kids have all the hookers and abortions they want
that seems to be the most practical way to level the playing field.
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
There is a terrible assumption underlying this opinion that the athletes won't want more, no matter what.
You think the TPs, Bushs, and Da Uers of the world would be satisfied with the ability to get endorsement deals? Or would they say that “they make so much money off of me and all I get is the endorsement deals, and not a cut of the schools money, I deserve the added booster money.” One, not every superstar recruit that a booster is willing to pay will have the name recognition for an endorsement deal. Two, there is no amount of compensation is going to stop some players from taking more. Widespread breaking of a valid rule is not a reason to change the rule. Do you want every speed limit on every road everywhere to be eliminated? Because I feel certain that every road has its speed limit ignored in a lot of instances.
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by PSUinBOSSton on Aug 17, 2011 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Why does it matter...
if they are compensated?
Scott, things aren't as happy as they used to be down here at the unemployment office. Joblessness is no longer just for Philosophy majors - useful people are starting to feel the pinch.
by Esteban d' Amur on Aug 17, 2011 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
With every story that hits like this..
Michigan, USC, Ohio State, Miami……..
It really has to give many a whole new appreciation for the likes of Joe Paterno. He may not have been a powerhouse for a while, but let’s face it, he’s done it right…Period.
by LightningCoach on Aug 17, 2011 3:39 PM EDT reply actions 6 recs
What did Michigan do?
Practice a little too long? Hire an idiot? Don’t lump them with these trainwrecks.
by STU Boy on Aug 17, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
This is true...
While it’s certainly NOWHERE near the same, not even in the same playbook, they still messed up.
You’re right though. Certainly a different type of “screw up”.
Don’t get me wrong, I hold no ill-will towards any of these schools, I’m not that type of fan…I’m just saying that JoePa, regardless of what goes on or what adversity he is facing in the recruiting, does it the right way.
by LightningCoach on Aug 17, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Stunningly, I agree with this.
And as my Michigan alum friends will attest, I hate that school with a passion.
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by Adam Collyer on Aug 17, 2011 4:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Oh you can still hate them with a passion, as do I
but they barely cheated, even I agree with that.
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by bconway6 on Aug 17, 2011 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Done
"Hey Joe, don't worry about the guys we lose. Only make sure the guys you bring in here belong here, and they're coming here for the right reasons." - Rip Engle to Joe Paterno
Until they tie Michigan to improprieties involving B1G refs
I wouldn’t lump them in.
Until.
/holding out hope
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So did Miami apparently
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by dawsonPSU10 on Aug 17, 2011 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
OMG
If I am Golden I pull the rip cord RIGHT NOW. Get out w/ lawyers help ASAP
shoot that up the flagpole and see who salutes it!
I think after all of his talk of bringing Miami back
that would make him look kind of like a schmuck if he bails before the NCAA does anything. I dont know that anyone would really blame him at all, but if you’re a prospective school looking at him, wouldnt that put a little inkling in your mind that he’s going to cut and run if something goes wrong? He’d be best to take his lumps this year, then when the NCAA comes down on Miami, bail and say the administration lied to you and say you have to part ways. He would look much better and no one would blame him if they have a terrible season with 12 players missing. Or by that point, they may not have a football team at all anyways.
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What he needs to do is just kick everyone off the team that took stuff
It is the only way he doesn’t get dragged through the mud along with the program. Kick everyone off, and even if you’re only standing on the sideline with one other coach and 9 players (total), at least you show people your morality in the face of unspeakable greed and corruption.
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They could hold open tryouts like
Texas State did back in 1991.
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by Paige2PSU on Aug 17, 2011 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Rig coached at Penn State?
I must have forgotten that.
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Did anyone hear Mark Emmert
the NCAA president on Mike & Mike this morning? He slipped a “death penalty” reference into his list of possible repercussions of the recent scandals (all but singling out Miami). Hard as it may be to imagine the NCAA nuking a cash cow with multiple national titles to its name, The U. has been the gold standard in sullying the good name of college football for almost 30 years – they may now have to atone not only for their own long list of sins, but also those of O$U, USC, UNC and every school in the SEC (except Vanderbilt) by default.
Al Golden may not have a program to resurrect.
Do they have too many alternatives other than basically killing that program?
Maybe they don’t give it the death penalty, but I feel like they have to do just about everything up to it. It definitely has to be worse than USC’s, and they are also considered repeat offenders and the violations extended over multiple sports. If anything stops them from giving them the death penalty, its any TV contracts they might have with ESPN or FOX or whomever.
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I was just about to say: the NCAA may have no choice but to use the death penalty again
I know they swore they’d never do it, but this seems as bad as SMU, and probably worse. At some point if you’re facing this level of corruption, you’ve got to let the bomb fly.
I mean, I remember when we all were saying USC should get the death penalty, then OSU, but this…this is something else. I still want USC and OSU bombed to the stone age, but Miami may have just de-throned SMU with OSU pulling up in 3rd place.
"Hey Joe, don't worry about the guys we lose. Only make sure the guys you bring in here belong here, and they're coming here for the right reasons." - Rip Engle to Joe Paterno
If I were Al
I’d stick around, just to see if I can salvage the program/build my rep. But, at the same time, he should be talking to his lawyer about protecting his pay for the remainder of the contract. From the sounds of these initial reports, Miami may be relegated to D-III football status — after living UNDER the NCAA doghouse for the next ten years.
I'd like to have two Armies -- one for display, with lovely guns, tanks, little Soldiers, staffs, distinguished and doddering Generals and dear little regimental officers, who would be deeply concerned over their General's bowel movements or their Colonel's piles; an Army that would be shown for a modest fee on every fairground in the country.
The other would be the REAL ONE, composed entirely of young enthusiasts in camouflage uniforms, who would not be put on display but from whom impossible efforts would be demanded and to whom all sorts of tricks would be taught. That's the Army in which I should like to fight.
And it sounds
like Miami had knowledge of the investigation/allegations, which I’m guessing it did not fully (perhaps even partially) disclose, during the hiring process. So I have to believe Golden’s got pretty firm legal ground on which to stand.
To Al's credit, he's taking the high road so far and not looking to cut and run
If there’s a program remaining to be rebuilt he should have a chance to salvage the situation. Otherwise, this is a stink that’s going to be hard to get away from. To this day Galen Hall still gets lumped in with the Charlie Pell crap at Florida.
I just keep thinking that somebody, somewhere should have had an inkling of this and given Al a heads up.
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by Frank O'Brien on Aug 17, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
And just like that
FIU becomes a legit mid-major threat
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by MainLion on Aug 17, 2011 5:41 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I love it
Classic dolts
shoot that up the flagpole and see who salutes it!
by teejaywalker on Aug 18, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
In honor of Miami, I watched my DVD of the 87 championship game
it was GLORIOUS
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