Three Things Penn State Should NOT Do In 2011: Alabama, Quarterbacks, & Reverses
by Adam Collyer on Aug 9, 2011 10:00 AM EDT
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PrintThis is the second of a two part series. Mike published the "Three Things Penn State Should Do in 2011" yesterday morning.
In 2011, Penn State should NOT . . .
1. Be intimidated by Alabama Last year's trip to Tuscaloosa ended in a brutal 24-3 beating. Greg McElroy, Alabama's starting quarterback who hadn't lost a game as a starter since middle school, threw for 229 yards and 2 touchdowns. But that was hardly the worst of it. As Drew Astorino correctly notes, The rush defense was completely embarrassed by the Tide's Trent Richardson, who piled up yardage by running over, around, and through the Penn State front four to the tune of 6.5 yards per carry.
(via rathmellm)
That's right, with the entire defense stacked on the one-yard line, Richardson barreled through Chris Colasanti in the backfield and then knifed his way right up the middle for the score. And that clip is tame. Meanwhile, the offense turned the ball over repeatedly and our record setting senior tailback finished with 32 yards on 9 carries. Simply put, last year's Alabama team outclassed last year's Nittany Lions in every way.
But this isn't last year's Alabama. And this definitely isn't last year's Penn State.
Last month, we noted that it all starts with attitude. This Penn State team is vastly different. The quarterback is a year older and, ideally, a year wiser. The linebackers are healthy, athletic, and tough. Last year's backup tailback (who averaged 5.2 yards per carry against Alabama as a true freshman) is the starter. But perhaps most importantly, Joe Paterno and his staff are working the guys like they've never worked before in order to increase their toughness and conditioning. Penn State must be ready on September 10th. With a raucous home crowd of 107,000+ behind them, there's no reason for them to be intimidated. Come out and hit like you mean it.
2. Have a hair trigger with the starting quarterback. Robert Bolden or Matt McGloin? For the purposes of this question, it doesn't matter. Ben's more equipped to handle that question anyway, and did a fantastic job yesterday morning.
This Penn State team is in desperate need of leadership and stability. The offense needs to develop a rapport with their quarterback. The quarterback needs to be able to take control in the huddle without worrying about looking over his shoulder, nervous that any mistake will get him pulled in favor of the other guy.
This isn't to suggest that the staff has to stick with something that's clearly not working. That would be absolutely insane. But this team needs to have the roles defined. Joe Paterno requires his quarterback to show leadership above any physical ability. It's nearly impossible to lead a team forward when you're always looking behind you.
3. Run random drive killing end-arounds and reverses. We've all seen it before. Penn State starts with the ball at its own 20. They methodically drive downfield, picking up yardage in 5 to 7 yard chunks on the ground with a few mid-range completions. Suddenly, on 3rd and 3 from the opposition's 42 yard line, Penn State fakes to the tailback and hands the ball off to a receiver looping around in the backfield. The defense stays in its lane and drops the runner for a loss of a few yards. Penn State has to punt. I have to restrain myself from throwing my remote.
Stop it. Just.stop.it.
Sometime around 2005, we saw Derrick Williams do this (start at the 3:32 mark):
. . . and we all became enamored. Sure, a well-timed reverse or end-around with the right player can be a great weapon against a defense that's prone to over-pursuit. Last year's call against Alabama with Shawney Kersey is a prime example. Too often, however, the call comes so far out of left field that it fails and destroys the momentum of a drive. It's the most overused play in Penn State's entire offense.
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Wait wait wait wait wait
Minnesota was ranked?
And undefeated at 4-0.
A Garden State Nittany Lion...
by Mike Pettigano on Aug 9, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Minnesota beat Michigan and gave Ohio State a game
that team was very talented. I still don’t know how PSU beat them like they did.
"I play for Penn State, we don't celebrate after TDs." - Penn State's Derek Moye, on being asked to act like he's celebrating a TD during a BTN shoot.
That beatdown of Minn
definitely put Penn State on the radar screen, and raised expectations through the roof.
They weren't that talented, that's why.
The defense was close to a joke and the offense had little besides the tailbacks, one or two really good offensive linemen, and Matt Spaeth.
"Infantrymen of the polis think it a disgraceful thing to run away, and they choose death over safety in flight. On the other hand, hired soldiers, who rely from the outset on superior strength, flee as soon as they find they are outnumbered, fearing death more than dishonor."
by ReadingRambler on Aug 9, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
The intimidation factor will be reversed,
what with
1) Bama playing north of the Mason-Dixon line, and
2) PSU’s back-up RB from last year now playing from the git-go.
Back-ups are always the best. Period.
'People are about as happy as they decide they want to be'
by Pete the Streak on Aug 9, 2011 10:11 AM EDT reply actions
What in the hell.....
does playing north of the Mason-Dixon line have to do with it? How could that be intimidating?
...
"Infantrymen of the polis think it a disgraceful thing to run away, and they choose death over safety in flight. On the other hand, hired soldiers, who rely from the outset on superior strength, flee as soon as they find they are outnumbered, fearing death more than dishonor."
by ReadingRambler on Aug 9, 2011 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
/rebel'd.
'People are about as happy as they decide they want to be'
by Pete the Streak on Aug 10, 2011 5:20 AM EDT up reply actions
You know, if it weren't for the 40th New York
making SIX charges directly into Devil’s Den—just after Ward’s III Corps brigade broke up and ran toward Cemetery Ridge—Weed’s and Vincent’s V Corps brigades would never have had the time to reach LRT.
Just thought I’d point that out. NO one ever seems to recognize that unit for what it did on July 2.
A Garden State Nittany Lion...
by Mike Pettigano on Aug 10, 2011 6:15 AM EDT up reply actions
People don't realize
and it isn’t conveyed in history classes that if one or two things happen differently, the south wins Gettysburg.
"I don’t know what he’s done differently, whether he’s eating differently or Sue is making him happier, but he’s definitely a different coach out there" Devon Still
I don't know
why don’t you ask the number of Southern teams who’ve actually done it in the last, say, 20 years?
Fire Dan Snyder
by Cari Greene on Aug 10, 2011 8:14 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
+1
I'd like to have two Armies -- one for display, with lovely guns, tanks, little Soldiers, staffs, distinguished and doddering Generals and deal little regimental officers, who would be deeply concerned over their General's bowel movements or their Colonel's piles; an Army that would be shown for a modest fee on every fairground in the country.
The other would be the REAL ONE, composed entirely of young enthusiasts in camouflage uniforms, who would not be put on display but from whom impossible efforts would be demanded and to whom all sorts of tricks would be taught. That's the Army in which I should like to fight.
by PSU_Lions_84 on Aug 10, 2011 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions
That's the only thing I really respect Alabama for, honestly.
Florida is probably the worst in the SEC in this regard. When was the last time they played a marquee OOC game against a team not named Florida State or Miami?
"Infantrymen of the polis think it a disgraceful thing to run away, and they choose death over safety in flight. On the other hand, hired soldiers, who rely from the outset on superior strength, flee as soon as they find they are outnumbered, fearing death more than dishonor."
by ReadingRambler on Aug 10, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
when's the last time they've played an OOC game, marquee or not
outside the state of Florida?
Fire Dan Snyder
by Cari Greene on Aug 10, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
1991 - at Syracuse.
Twenty years.
"Infantrymen of the polis think it a disgraceful thing to run away, and they choose death over safety in flight. On the other hand, hired soldiers, who rely from the outset on superior strength, flee as soon as they find they are outnumbered, fearing death more than dishonor."
by ReadingRambler on Aug 10, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Reverses
Yeah, I don’t know that I agree that scenario happens all that often. I remember a play with Devon “Coach Killa” Smith in the Mich State game last year, but other than that I don’t remember a lot of reverses “killing” drives.
by speedomike on Aug 9, 2011 10:13 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Penalties seem to kill more drives
than reverses.
Who feels like wasting 15 minutes to look at the box scores?
I’m intrigued, but I’m totally not putting in the work for it.
by Chris Grovich on Aug 9, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree.
But we are Penn State. My biggest problem with this program right now is the run game. I’m not asking for Franco Harris to run the ball up the middle every play, but, by God, this is a team that has a tradition of being able to use power football effectively. Well, we haven’t had an offensive line that was truly bad in pass protection since 2004, but out of the last ten years, we’ve only had three lines, tops, (2002, 2005, 2008) who were the usual run blockers we need from Nittany Lions. And even when we’re dominating on the ground, the coaches still often show a maddening tendency to get cute (see: 2008 Iowa).
All of this is why I hope Joe is getting more involved with play calling like he says he is.
"Infantrymen of the polis think it a disgraceful thing to run away, and they choose death over safety in flight. On the other hand, hired soldiers, who rely from the outset on superior strength, flee as soon as they find they are outnumbered, fearing death more than dishonor."
by ReadingRambler on Aug 9, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I trend a lot in my work
and am hopeful we are looking at another strong line: 2002, 2005, 2008, 2011?
by PSU_Lions_84 on Aug 9, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
It seems to be the system.
Let’s hope it continues.
A Garden State Nittany Lion...
by Mike Pettigano on Aug 9, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Though, now that I think about it...
2011 could end up being 1985, when Penn State overachieved the year before it was “supposed to be good” in 1986.
A Garden State Nittany Lion...
by Mike Pettigano on Aug 9, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
If 2012 = 1986
I’m totally cool with another average team this year haha
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The 1985 loss to Oklahoma was John Shaffer's
ONLY loss in his playing career. Think about that when dismissive of a “caretaker” QB. He had a great supporting cast in all other facets of the team, which gives me hope about our situation this year.
Shaffer...
Essentially had McGloin’s athletic ability, but was about eleventy-billion times better at realizing his own limitations. Plus, he was a real ball-buster and a perfectionist.
And was cool where McGloin is hyper.
I’m actually a hyper person myself, but never played QB. Kerry Collins was super-cool when he played — I think that kind of personality makes for a better QB than those of us who are really emotional.
Zack Attack
THE coolest QB ever to take a snap at Penn State.
I’m dead serious, too.
What did he say when he came into the huddle at Northwestern in 2001?
A Garden State Nittany Lion...
by Mike Pettigano on Aug 10, 2011 6:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Based soley on my memory,
it seems that the drive-killing reverse has been a staple of our playbook since at least the mid-90’s, if not earlier. Seems to me that they happen about every 3rd game or so.
Word on the street is you're a jerk, Mitchell.
That matches my recollection
Again, working only from initial reaction, I seem to remember being frustrated/perplexed by the random reverse calls for quite some time. That one Chafie Fields took to the house against Arizona in ’99 sure was sweet though.
You will be seeing plenty of Chafie Fields on this site a couple weeks from now
HINT HINT.
@happyhourvalley
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It's not cheating when you do it on the Kiss-Cam.
Or Chafie, live and in person?
I understand he is an agent now. I bet he could teach me more about what to look for when assessing potential recruits. I try not to get sucked into the “star ratings”, but don’t know how to assess which kids Penn State will recruit vs. leave alone.
by PSU_Lions_84 on Aug 9, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
That one is already on YouTube.
Albeit some other guy did it.
"Infantrymen of the polis think it a disgraceful thing to run away, and they choose death over safety in flight. On the other hand, hired soldiers, who rely from the outset on superior strength, flee as soon as they find they are outnumbered, fearing death more than dishonor."
by ReadingRambler on Aug 9, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Or 1997 Fiesta Bowl?
Didn’t Fields take a double reverse almost the whole way to the house in the second half?
Phil
Poor Netiquette
Shouldn’t have referenced that Pigskin Classic beatdown and not linked to the PSF Story on it: http://youtu.be/Taj2X6caD34
#Ninetiesmusic
I hate the run into the middle of the line more,
but end-arounds/reverses are a close second.
I admit to being old, so remember with fondness the end-aRoundtree when Ray Roundtree played at State. It did work well with him.
Not a reverse play, but here is a clip to acquaint you young bucks with Ray: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a75sdyOmorI
by PSU_Lions_84 on Aug 9, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I've never liked the
not-so Quick Outs that always were a nanosecond from being picked off and always landed our WR on his ass for a two yard loss.
'Trivializing the "GREATEST RIVALRY OF ALL TIME" for a bunch of ghetto tats must have made them pee in their man-diapers.' Mr. Rosewater
I hated Morelli's fake-quick out
then hand off to the HB. I fooled absolutely no one.
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It worked for a while
until teams realized Tony Hunt was no longer the running back in 2007.
A Garden State Nittany Lion...
by Mike Pettigano on Aug 9, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually it did.
That was our most effective run play against Michigan in 2007. Granted it wouldn’t work every time, but it probably worked the majority of the time.
But our memories are more easily won over by visions of tackles in the backfield.
"Infantrymen of the polis think it a disgraceful thing to run away, and they choose death over safety in flight. On the other hand, hired soldiers, who rely from the outset on superior strength, flee as soon as they find they are outnumbered, fearing death more than dishonor."
by ReadingRambler on Aug 9, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Nothing can compare to short-side tosses to Sean McHugh.
Whenever I think of the “dark years” I think of fullbacks running around end to the short side of the field.
I think it really only happens 2-3 times a year
But it’s usually so bad that it really sticks out in your mind
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Agreed
Mainly because every person in the entire stadium knows that it is coming, so that when it is run, even Bani Gbadyu would know to stay home for it.
"I don’t know what he’s done differently, whether he’s eating differently or Sue is making him happier, but he’s definitely a different coach out there" Devon Still
by jman07 on Aug 9, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
For the DWill clip, start it at 3:13 just to watch Robinson truck a DB. Lord I miss that man.
"When I put on my uniform, I feel I am the proudest man on earth."
-Roberto
by blackjackfishtaco on Aug 9, 2011 10:17 AM EDT reply actions
sadly that guy never played again.
Makes it a little harder to enjoy for me. MRob is a beast though. Not a QB. Not a RB. Not a WR. Just an athlete and a leader.
by Nittany SeaLion on Aug 9, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Wait, seriously? I don’t remember that.
"When I put on my uniform, I feel I am the proudest man on earth."
-Roberto
by blackjackfishtaco on Aug 9, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Brandon Owens
Poor kid got MESSED UP on that play. When MRob learned of the extent of the injuries – football career-ending – he asked that they remove that clip from any of the officially-produced highlight reels.
Damn, I didn’t remember that at all. Now I just feel really, really awful.
"When I put on my uniform, I feel I am the proudest man on earth."
-Roberto
by blackjackfishtaco on Aug 9, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
It didn't get a ton of media attention
It was over a year later that i heard anything about it. Definitely didn’t want to make you feel bad about it or anything. It was a highlight-reel-quality play and you’d never guess the extent of his injuries from watching it. Just one of those freak occurrences.
Yeah, no intent to make you feel bad.
Just stating how the knowledge changed how I looked at the play completely.
by Nittany SeaLion on Aug 9, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
They said it looked like he was in a massive car accident
"I'm colonel cool! And I'm the captain on this rocket to the stars!"
This is why I didn't do any of the replays of that hit that were on the original broadcast.
The live-action version isn’t rubbing it in, though it’s still tough to watch.
A Garden State Nittany Lion...
by Mike Pettigano on Aug 9, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Sad story
Owens was the #1 safety in the 2003 recruiting class, a 5 star.
He ended up going through a lot of depression, sort of like athletes who have had concussions. He cant use his left or right arm anymore I think too.
He actually had a future in the NFL making a lot of money.
Yeah, I looked it up after the discussion above. This game was during Parent’s Weekend during my freshman year of college, so we didn’t see much of the game. Didn’t see the play, didn’t hear about the injury or any of the complications following that. Just feel awful, still.
"When I put on my uniform, I feel I am the proudest man on earth."
-Roberto
by blackjackfishtaco on Aug 10, 2011 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Blackjack, ya gotta let it go.
Life hands people challenges AND opportunities. Look at Adam T or Eric LeGrand. Pray for those in adversity, help them in other ways when you can, but don’t carry guilt or remorse or other negative emotions — those are caustic.
I'd like to have two Armies -- one for display, with lovely guns, tanks, little Soldiers, staffs, distinguished and doddering Generals and deal little regimental officers, who would be deeply concerned over their General's bowel movements or their Colonel's piles; an Army that would be shown for a modest fee on every fairground in the country.
The other would be the REAL ONE, composed entirely of young enthusiasts in camouflage uniforms, who would not be put on display but from whom impossible efforts would be demanded and to whom all sorts of tricks would be taught. That's the Army in which I should like to fight.
by PSU_Lions_84 on Aug 10, 2011 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Never forget that Minny game.
My then-girlfriend (now wife) texted me from our apartment, where she was recording the game for me.
Following D-Will’s first touchdown off the option from M-Rob, I finished up playing Fight On, State, and looked down to see she texted me one word: “Wow.”
There’s just no better way to describe what Derrick Williams was for Penn State football in 2005.
A Garden State Nittany Lion...
Yep
D-Will looked faster than any other PSU player I had ever seen on his 2 TDs in that game. Granted, I didn’t start following PSU football until 1998.
I was at a feakin wedding
one of the few games I have missed since 94. I don’t miss games for weddings anymore. Get married some other time of the year or don’t invite me, I don’t care which.
by dmetz on Aug 9, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
You will not see my face at a wedding on a Penn State football Saturday especially a home game. If you schedule it then you are either not a close friend or a relative I don’t care that much about, don’t bother risking death by licking that envelope.
"That's why you don't play! 'Cuz you're no good!" -Joe Paterno
by pmm156 on Aug 9, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Best friend from high school picks 9-10-11 ...
for his wedding day. Note to self: have fewer non-Penn State friends
by ChrisHarrell's_stache05 on Aug 9, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
My step sister is getting married that day ...
not going!!
by dmetz on Aug 9, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I can see a woman picking a football Saturday
but her intended ought to put his foot down! If he doesn’t establish the rules from the beginning, he will find himself — hold on, guys.
Uh, what’s that, honey? You want a foot massage?
But I’m in the middle of a football discussion.
Yes, dear.
by PSU_Lions_84 on Aug 9, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
+1 for infinite sadness.
All I want to do is make the whole crowd bounce, y'all
I was that guy, Adam Collyer. Now, I'm that guy, Adam Collyer
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by Adam Collyer on Aug 9, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
AC, I think half of you'all could be my kids
Married since Nov, 1979.
by PSU_Lions_84 on Aug 9, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
My parents were married in June '79.
On the plus side, I’m an awesome kid :)
All I want to do is make the whole crowd bounce, y'all
I was that guy, Adam Collyer. Now, I'm that guy, Adam Collyer
@AdamCollyer
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by Adam Collyer on Aug 9, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll adopt you
as long as you are through with college. Got one son who is a rising senior at UNC-Chapel Hill and the other starting at the community college in a week.
by PSU_Lions_84 on Aug 9, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Through college and grad school.
I’m safe and inexpensive.
All I want to do is make the whole crowd bounce, y'all
I was that guy, Adam Collyer. Now, I'm that guy, Adam Collyer
@AdamCollyer
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by Adam Collyer on Aug 9, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Mine were married in '83
I came along in ’84.
"I don’t know what he’s done differently, whether he’s eating differently or Sue is making him happier, but he’s definitely a different coach out there" Devon Still
Anytime my good friend
I enjoy doing that with my co-workers. Most of them are in the 50’s or so and will talk about how many years of service they have. When they get to talking about 30 or more, I always pipe up and say, “Wow, I was 3 years from being born”..or something else along those lines.
"I don’t know what he’s done differently, whether he’s eating differently or Sue is making him happier, but he’s definitely a different coach out there" Devon Still
man you work with a bunch of old folks.
on a side note, I might have broke the GSA Malibu hybrid driving to Ohio today. The check engine light came on, though its running fine. Getting checked tomorrow. but they said go ahead and drive it. OHIO SUCKS!
and your mom is a wonderful person, Hope she is doing well.
even though you are a young punk
My grammer skills need improved.
I am a little offended at the generalization that a woman would pick a football Saturday. Any non-football fan or pro-only fan of either gender would be just as likely to choose a fall Saturday for their wedding.
Fire Dan Snyder
by Cari Greene on Aug 9, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol, it's fine
I was sure your intent was not to offend, as a female football fan though I have been stereotyped many, many times. Rarely on BSD, though, which is why we love it!
Fire Dan Snyder
The only time
I stereotype a BSDiva is to get a rise out of them.
"I don’t know what he’s done differently, whether he’s eating differently or Sue is making him happier, but he’s definitely a different coach out there" Devon Still
There's a time and a place to live on the edge
and a time and a place to make nice. Since I am the FNG here, I choose to make nice.
You've already been chastised,
But I must add my $.02. I have often railed against football Saturday weddings. There are 8 other perfectly good months out of the year from which to choose.
Football is too damn important to be interrupted by something as silly as a wedding.
This is BSD, the crazy stirs itself.
by Paige2PSU on Aug 9, 2011 8:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Ladies, read the entire post.
Do I not defer to my bride of almost 32 years in the body of the post?
Confession time: We got married 17 Nov 1979. Penn State was playing #18 Temple that day. Of course, I was in the Army at the time, and it was just two weeks after the start of the Iranian hostage situation, so there were other things on my mind at that time. It wasn’t clear if my unit was going to deploy or not, so wedding took precedence over football.
That was sarcasm font, BTW.
There are exceptions to every rule. I will pardon you because you had a decent reason.
I’m just addicted to sarcasm font today!
This is BSD, the crazy stirs itself.
by Paige2PSU on Aug 9, 2011 9:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm still learning
the sarcasm font, but I am afraid I will abuse it. My usual style is “whimsically sarcastic.”
I find the sarcasm font
To be very handy. You put an @ at the beginning and end of your sentence, phrase or word (no spaces) and voila!!
This is BSD, the crazy stirs itself.
by Paige2PSU on Aug 9, 2011 9:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Thanks for the tutorial!
You may have created a monster, tho.
You in education, Paige? I work at Duke.
College professor, how could you tell? LOL!
I have a couple of friends who work at Duke and two students starting Administrative fellowships at the hospital. My parents live in the RTI area, too.
This is BSD, the crazy stirs itself.
by Paige2PSU on Aug 9, 2011 9:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Your e-mail address gives you away.
What is your field?
I work in finance for two departments in Campus Administration – not Provost and not Medical.
Mark
by PSU_Lions_84 on Aug 9, 2011 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I knew it was either the email
Or my love of instructing people! I’m in health administration.
This is BSD, the crazy stirs itself.
by Paige2PSU on Aug 9, 2011 11:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Your love of instructing people..
that sure sounds like a nice way to say, “my love of telling people what to do!”
"I don’t know what he’s done differently, whether he’s eating differently or Sue is making him happier, but he’s definitely a different coach out there" Devon Still
by jman07 on Aug 10, 2011 6:38 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Health admin is a growing field
esp. for those of us approaching the Geritol Generation.
I'd like to have two Armies -- one for display, with lovely guns, tanks, little Soldiers, staffs, distinguished and doddering Generals and deal little regimental officers, who would be deeply concerned over their General's bowel movements or their Colonel's piles; an Army that would be shown for a modest fee on every fairground in the country.
The other would be the REAL ONE, composed entirely of young enthusiasts in camouflage uniforms, who would not be put on display but from whom impossible efforts would be demanded and to whom all sorts of tricks would be taught. That's the Army in which I should like to fight.
by PSU_Lions_84 on Aug 10, 2011 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions
It's a great field.
There will always be a need for people who can manage health care organizations, no matter who the payer is.
This is BSD, the crazy stirs itself.
Problem is,
those of us in finance are usually the ones trying to figure out how to pay those in health care orgs. I was gray at age 31 . . . .
I'd like to have two Armies -- one for display, with lovely guns, tanks, little Soldiers, staffs, distinguished and doddering Generals and deal little regimental officers, who would be deeply concerned over their General's bowel movements or their Colonel's piles; an Army that would be shown for a modest fee on every fairground in the country.
The other would be the REAL ONE, composed entirely of young enthusiasts in camouflage uniforms, who would not be put on display but from whom impossible efforts would be demanded and to whom all sorts of tricks would be taught. That's the Army in which I should like to fight.
by PSU_Lions_84 on Aug 10, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Not an easy task.
Most financing approaches create incentives to either under or over perform services, both of which are problematic. I don’t envy you that!
This is BSD, the crazy stirs itself.
Thankfully, healthcare is a minor part
of my overall role. I support two operational units; the big healthcare questions are handled by dedicated staff.
All that said, we Americans have to figure out the healthcare situation very soon. The baby boomer gen is going to overwhelm the current system.
Note to admins: Please view this as an economic, not political, discussion.
I'd like to have two Armies -- one for display, with lovely guns, tanks, little Soldiers, staffs, distinguished and doddering Generals and dear little regimental officers, who would be deeply concerned over their General's bowel movements or their Colonel's piles; an Army that would be shown for a modest fee on every fairground in the country.
The other would be the REAL ONE, composed entirely of young enthusiasts in camouflage uniforms, who would not be put on display but from whom impossible efforts would be demanded and to whom all sorts of tricks would be taught. That's the Army in which I should like to fight.
by PSU_Lions_84 on Aug 10, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
a guy in my office
who is a PENN STATE GRAD is getting married that day. Why? Because his fiancee thinks 9-10-11 is a lucky date.
I told him I’m not going and to never to discuss PSU football with me again.
by PSU Mudder on Aug 9, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Which just made 9-10-11 an unlucky day for him
since you will not discuss Penn State football with him anymore, Mudder.
Two of my friends (both Penn State grads)
Got married last October. They waited for an away week to get married. Unfortunately it was the PSU/Minn game and I didn’t go cuz it was my only chance to see PSU last year.
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My friend is getting married this fall during a game
luckily its the Eastern Michigan game. However, both the bride and groom went to PSU. Poor planning on their part (unless they plan on providing a way to watch the game).
I'm on the Internet cause I'm an Internet thug.
Forreals
The reception should be at a Buffalo Wild Wings or something.
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Big screen TV's set up at the altar would do the trick.
Get someone to videotape the wedding, so the groom can watch it later — after the season is over would be the best time.
I think the priest (or preacher or whatever)
should just give updates during the ceremony.
“Dearly beloved, we are gathered here today to celebrate a beautiful THROW FROM BOLDEN TO MOYE IN THE BACK OF THE END ZONE FOR 6!!”
I'm on the Internet cause I'm an Internet thug.
I'm actively searching for ways to miss the EMU game.
Think I settled on a charity golf tournament that benefits the San Filippo Foundation. My friend’s two sons have it.
(You can benefit them too by helping them win grant money, via a click or two on Facebook. So please do.).
by Chris Grovich on Aug 9, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm probably just going to go for a hike or something.
It’s always the second cupcake that I can’t stand (Note: For the purposes of this exercise, I’m not counting Temple). Indiana State? Yeah, that’s total horse manure, but, hey, it’s football and it’s back! Yay football! Temple? Well, they suck, but I kinda enjoy the series. But by the time EMU rolls around, I will have gotten my taste of football and won’t care to watch the game. Honestly this mental state only happens for two games: the second cupcake and Indiana. I hate playing Indiana.
On the good side, typing EMU reminds me of a former Notre Dame quarterback.
"Infantrymen of the polis think it a disgraceful thing to run away, and they choose death over safety in flight. On the other hand, hired soldiers, who rely from the outset on superior strength, flee as soon as they find they are outnumbered, fearing death more than dishonor."
by ReadingRambler on Aug 9, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, fun story time
4 of us were in Cancun in 2007. Senior year, spring break. A friend and I are walking toward the bar or something one night. He’s into the punk/indie scene and so we always harass him about being emo. So we’re walking and this drunk girl stumbles up to us and asks, “HEY, are you an emu?” I’m laughing so hard that I’m practically in tears as he tries to explain to her that, no, he is not a large flightless bird.
"I don’t know what he’s done differently, whether he’s eating differently or Sue is making him happier, but he’s definitely a different coach out there" Devon Still
by jman07 on Aug 10, 2011 6:50 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
My son's due date is Sept. 23
…so I don’t have to worry about making a choice to go or not go to that game.
It’s actually the perfect two weeks leading up to the due date. Temple is the weekend before, and EMU is the week of. So unless he comes a full 2 weeks early (yes, I know it CAN happen), I’m only missing one cupcake and one “away” game.
A Garden State Nittany Lion...
by Mike Pettigano on Aug 10, 2011 6:25 AM EDT up reply actions
MP. congrats on the pending birth!
I'd like to have two Armies -- one for display, with lovely guns, tanks, little Soldiers, staffs, distinguished and doddering Generals and deal little regimental officers, who would be deeply concerned over their General's bowel movements or their Colonel's piles; an Army that would be shown for a modest fee on every fairground in the country.
The other would be the REAL ONE, composed entirely of young enthusiasts in camouflage uniforms, who would not be put on display but from whom impossible efforts would be demanded and to whom all sorts of tricks would be taught. That's the Army in which I should like to fight.
by PSU_Lions_84 on Aug 10, 2011 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Congrats!
I’m sweating a Sept 19th due date for Wifey, myself. She’s convinced it’ll be early too…getting a little nervous, though she’s already cleared the TV being on in the delivery room.
So I got that goin’ for me. Which is nice.
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Also; Always carry a bottle opener and the beer will provide itself.
Baby...
I’m about 12 weeks into parenting with my first one. Best of luck. Hope she or he is healthy.
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Scott, things aren't as happy as they used to be down here at the unemployment office. Joblessness is no longer just for Philosophy majors - useful people are starting to feel the pinch.
by Esteban d' Amur on Aug 10, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Congrats/good luck to all of you.
Spend MAXIMUM time with your kids. Mine were 6 and 9 last week — 18 and 21 this week. Time has gone by WAY too quickly.
I'd like to have two Armies -- one for display, with lovely guns, tanks, little Soldiers, staffs, distinguished and doddering Generals and deal little regimental officers, who would be deeply concerned over their General's bowel movements or their Colonel's piles; an Army that would be shown for a modest fee on every fairground in the country.
The other would be the REAL ONE, composed entirely of young enthusiasts in camouflage uniforms, who would not be put on display but from whom impossible efforts would be demanded and to whom all sorts of tricks would be taught. That's the Army in which I should like to fight.
by PSU_Lions_84 on Aug 10, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, you too?
Except replace “guy in my office” with “one of my best friends”. It’s his own fault, however – he delayed too long in setting a date, she got tired of it and set the date herself.
Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?
You sir, are awesome.
I'm just here for the beer.
by Illegal Formation on Aug 9, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
You know, you reach that point in your life
when you just have to prioritize. PSU football=priority. We told her not to get married that day. She didn’t listen.
Best friend from Penn State and his fiance (also PSU grad) are getting married this weekend. That planning won him my fathers extra ticket to the ’Bama game (the one that would have been for me.)
/sad tromboned
//is going to be in a bad mood that entire day
///what are your thoughts on checking phone for updates .. as a groomsman … during the wedding ceremony???
by ChrisHarrell's_stache05 on Aug 9, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Earlier in the year my wife's best friend told she was getting married and probalby this fall
Wife told, you know, fall is Penn State football time, two weeks later the wedding was scheduled for this coming weekend. I’m now sitting in Ohio for the next couple days but brought my guitar because I’m re-learning a song I used to play called Genesis by Jorma Kaukonnen for when the bride walks to the alter.
My grammer skills need improved.
I was getting hand signs during SweepTheLeg's wedding, and I was the best man.
Of course, it was the 6-4 Iowa game, so…
by Chris Grovich on Aug 9, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
So the hand signs were all guns pretending to blow the person's brains out?
"Hey Joe, don't worry about the guys we lose. Only make sure the guys you bring in here belong here, and they're coming here for the right reasons." - Rip Engle to Joe Paterno
by dawsonPSU10 on Aug 9, 2011 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I rec'd this because of #3.
No one knows how to suck the fun out of a reverse like Galen Hall (or whoever the hell is responsible). It’s simply stunning how slowly they develop.
I'm just here for the beer.
by Illegal Formation on Aug 9, 2011 10:21 AM EDT reply actions
I get more irritated by the personnel
I have no problem running a reverse with a guy like DWill, but when Zug (or even Moye) run it it doesn’t make sense.
We actually had success the like 3 times Moye ran it this year
of course, I think all three of those times were against Indiana…
Fire Dan Snyder
Kersey seems tailor-made to run reverses.
A Garden State Nittany Lion...
by Mike Pettigano on Aug 10, 2011 6:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Love that Minny game
Speaking of reverses, Justin King had a pretty nice looking one later in the game too.
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by newenglandnittanylion on Aug 9, 2011 10:53 AM EDT reply actions
Shawney Keresey thinks taking out end arounds is a horrible idea.
"I'm colonel cool! And I'm the captain on this rocket to the stars!"
Could I add?
No punting on 4th and 3 from the 43 yard line.
by BSD on Aug 9, 2011 10:56 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Depends upon how strong our defense is.
Pinning an opponent back up against our student section has turned out well for us, several times. Exhibit A is the Michigan game where the center snapped the ball while Forcier was running around in the backfield, trying to call an audible. Major fail!
by PSU_Lions_84 on Aug 9, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I stand corrected.
That example did occur at UM. Still, it obviously came when they were pinned against the wall.
+1, icavalera.
by PSU_Lions_84 on Aug 9, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I didn't mean to sound nit-picky there.
Your main point holds up in that example.
Word on the street is you're a jerk, Mitchell.
No worries.
Don’t want to pass around misinformation.
by PSU_Lions_84 on Aug 9, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
You may have been thinking of the safety that we got on Threet in the '08 game.
Which probably happened after a punt from midfield.
Word on the street is you're a jerk, Mitchell.
Been watching Penn State football since 1968.
Games blur after awhile.
Keep feeding me clues, icavalera — I’ll get it one of these days!!
by PSU_Lions_84 on Aug 9, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I've been a fan since I was about 8 (1981 or so),
and the more seasons that go by, the more things start to blur. I used to be able to remember more details from older games, but not so much anymore. For example, I had almost no recollection of that ’91 BC game they posted on here recently.
Word on the street is you're a jerk, Mitchell.
Thank goodness for the Internet
and the folks who post videos. I probably have some VHS tapes of old games, but (a) finding them might be tough and (b) finding a VCR to play them on is equally problematic.
by PSU_Lions_84 on Aug 9, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
We also got a safety at Michigan in '09.
I remember that very well, I had seats behind that end zone! 35-10, that game was so much fun. After Michigan marched down for a 7-0 lead on their first drive, Penn State simply asserted their total dominance the rest of the game, starting with a lightning-quick equalizing TD on their first drive. I love playing against GERG-coached defenses!
Let's Go State!
by Gopher Broke on Aug 9, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Michigan will be recovering defensively
for another season or two. I don’t believe the new coaches will eliminate all the arm tackles, guys out of position, etc., etc., etc. in just a couple months. UM will have a decent season, but won’t win many “Defense of the Year” awards.
by PSU_Lions_84 on Aug 9, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
This is really silly thing to have an arbitrary rule about.
Paterno loves punting, and he’s won 401 games, so whatever.
"Infantrymen of the polis think it a disgraceful thing to run away, and they choose death over safety in flight. On the other hand, hired soldiers, who rely from the outset on superior strength, flee as soon as they find they are outnumbered, fearing death more than dishonor."
by ReadingRambler on Aug 9, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is not a silly thing
It’s statistical fact.
http://www.advancednflstats.com/2009/09/4th-down-study-part-4.html
by BSD on Aug 9, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Oooh, that's great. I don't care.
Here’s another statistical thing:
Joe Paterno – 401-135-3
Now, if you want, you can join M1EK on Twitter in mocking me for saying the coaches are always right.
"Infantrymen of the polis think it a disgraceful thing to run away, and they choose death over safety in flight. On the other hand, hired soldiers, who rely from the outset on superior strength, flee as soon as they find they are outnumbered, fearing death more than dishonor."
by ReadingRambler on Aug 9, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
So what you're saying is...
Paterno has lost 135 games, and therefore there is room for improvement. I’m glad we could have this talk.
by BSD on Aug 9, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
No, that's not what I'm saying.
What I’m saying is that this talk about statistics obviously doesn’t really go into Paterno’s decision-making process. The idea of creating rules like what you say up above is quite foolish in my view, especially since Penn State’s losses have never come down to calls like that. If calls like it were half as bad as you think, then Joe wouldn’t punt but would keep the offense on the field.
There are a lot of people in this fanbase who will try to blame the 2007 Ohio State loss on Joe for that punt late in the second after Connor’s interception. But we don’t lose games because we punt from the 43. We lose the vast majority of our games before we even play them.
Paterno isn’t perfect, but he’s closer than any other coach has come.
"Infantrymen of the polis think it a disgraceful thing to run away, and they choose death over safety in flight. On the other hand, hired soldiers, who rely from the outset on superior strength, flee as soon as they find they are outnumbered, fearing death more than dishonor."
by ReadingRambler on Aug 9, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sometimes I just want to hug you
"I don’t know what he’s done differently, whether he’s eating differently or Sue is making him happier, but he’s definitely a different coach out there" Devon Still
Punting on 4th and 3
What we’re debating is the symptom, which is namely Joe’s conservative nature. When times get tough, he reverts to three yards and a cloud of dust and just try to win the field position game. On defense, sit back in cover-3 and hope they make a mistake. When in doubt, punt.
It’s a great philosophy when you have a clear talent advantage and you’re just trying to beat Temple or Purdue. Try that crap against Ohio State or Alabama and you get your lunch handed to you.
Of course there are times when punting makes sense. If you’re up by six points with three minutes to go, punt the ball away if you’re defense is playing well. My criticism of punting on 4th and 3 was more of a commentary on Joe’s need to trust the abilities of the athletes he has and be more aggressive.
by BSD on Aug 9, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Totally agree with this
I’d rather go down swinging than go down meekly.
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Except...no. This is simply not true.
“That crap”? Really? You mean the “crap” that has won us our most famous football games, from North Carolina State in 1967 to Miami in 1986 to Notre Dame in 1990 to Ohio State in 1997 to Ohio State in 2005 to Ohio State in 2008? Really?
The key to Joe Paterno’s in-game coaching is balance, not going squarely to three-yards and a cloud of dust (That notion is completely untrue. Tell me, didn’t we send out a true freshman to throw 30+ times on the road against the #1 team in the country last year?) and not doing awesome gutsy things that fans love. It’s in-between. And more often than not, punting and trusting your defense is the sensible thing that has won him more games than anyone else.
"Infantrymen of the polis think it a disgraceful thing to run away, and they choose death over safety in flight. On the other hand, hired soldiers, who rely from the outset on superior strength, flee as soon as they find they are outnumbered, fearing death more than dishonor."
by ReadingRambler on Aug 9, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
No doubt
I conceded the JoePa philosophy wins a lot of games…against the Temple’s and Purdue’s of the world. Today it doesn’t stack up against elite competition, and I think the record in recent years shows that.
I love Joe, but as long as he’s the coach our average record will be 9-3. That’s good and very respectable, but it’s not great.
by BSD on Aug 9, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Mike...
a long time ago, I remember you posting something about how Joe’s recruiting ties into philosophy of building, usually, 2 great MNC-contending teams every 4 years. In between, you may have some mediocrity.
All I’m saying is that 9-3 doesn’t paint the full picture if you think about what you said. And I have yet to see a team that can consistently pull in conference championships and MNC births over a prolonged period without major violations. So in a way, I’m OK with 9-3 as long as we’re still contending every 2 years or so. If that’s settling for mediocrity, then so be it.
by Artiefufkin10 on Aug 9, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I still feel that way. I don’t want to push Joe out because we average 9 wins per year the last five or six years. I can deal with that for another four or five years if I have to. My concern that I expressed yesterday is for his safety. I just don’t want to see him go out like that. I’d rather he walk away from the game to a big celebration. Not carried away in an ambulance.
by BSD on Aug 9, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree...
Its becoming a major point of concern when we’re all worried about the coach’s health before the season…more so than the players.
by Artiefufkin10 on Aug 9, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Time for the serenity prayer, guys.
While I would like to think my opinion counts — (insert sarcasm font) I’m a life member of the Alumni Association, after all — it would not surprise me to find it doesn’t. Joe will leave when Joe wants, unless we have two years of 7-6 or worse. It might be difficult to accept that Joe is dictating this situation, but I submit that is reality.
Still wrong.
Joe Paterno’s in-game philosophy wins a lot of games and not just for us. How many OMG GUTSY LACES OUT coaches have won national championships recently? Not that many. Auburn didn’t blitz like crazy on defense, Saban is a conservative dude, and LSU’s whole system isn’t predicated on the kind of stuff we PSU fans are always clamoring for.
Moreover, are you just ignoring all of the games I’ve cited. Joe Paterno’s philosophy is fine, period, end of discussion. What you should be complaining about is what happens outside of the games.
"Infantrymen of the polis think it a disgraceful thing to run away, and they choose death over safety in flight. On the other hand, hired soldiers, who rely from the outset on superior strength, flee as soon as they find they are outnumbered, fearing death more than dishonor."
by ReadingRambler on Aug 9, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Like I said
It’s a philosophy that works when you have superior talent. Lately, PSU has not had superior talent to teams like Ohio State, Alabama, and Florida. Tressel, Saban, and Meyer didn’t have to take chances. When you can’t win on talent, you have to take chances. Running on first and second down, sitting back in cover-3, and punting from your opponent’s 40 yard line isn’t going to win the game when you are playing superior talent.
by BSD on Aug 9, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
So, what's the alternative?
How is “taking chances” going to win us the ballgame?
Take the 2007 Ohio State game for example. We use our zone coverage and entrust the linemen to pressure Boeckman, a gameplan that has worked for us since before you and I were born, a gameplan that still usually works. But it doesn’t work today. There’s no pressure from the line, and Boeckman looks like Tom Brady. So, what’s the alternative? There aren’t very many. If we start blitzing the linebackers, the DBs are going to be on an island, and they are not at all capable of covering Ohio State’s wide receivers. We’ve now taken a 20+ point loss and turned it into an even worse rout. This is what happened to Manning Tennessee teams whenever they played Spurrier and Wuerrfell.
The truth is that gameplans that avoid “chances” are simply the best way to win football games, at most levels. This doesn’t mean you shouldn’t do anything, but Penn State doesn’t do that. We always complain we don’t use good cornerbacks when we have them, but we do use them when we have them. Bradley was trying very hard to get more press coverage until we started to have problems with injuries last year.
I mean, really, the game never changes that much. As evidenced by the whole 401 wins thing.
Oh, and as for Saban and Tressel (I never watched much of Florida), do you know what they do when the talent is even and when the game is close? They minimize risky calls.
I’m sorry, but the facts are this:
1) The vast, vast majority of Penn State’s losses really occur before the game is played. If you want to complain about Joe Paterno, I think you’d be much better served looking there.
2) 401 wins.
3) Minimizing risks and keeping the game simple has always been the best way for any team to win and it probably always will be.
4) There is something of a tendency among the members of this fanbase to assume that Penn State never changes anything in any way, shape, or form. As we have seen with the many blitz packages and different coverage looks Bradley has used to varying degrees of effectiveness (Not to mention the wholesale revamping of the offense to great effect since 2004, all of the many changes Paterno has made, etc), this defense is a considerably more active unit than we sometimes think. That it runs BBDS so much is not really a fault. If it were a deadly fault, then why would so many (Probably the great majority) teams in college football use similar schemes?
Oh, and as for your complaint about running the ball on first and second, that one I really don’t comprehend. The point of any offensive coordinator, as Hayden Fry put it, is to scratch where it itches. I’m glad Paterno would never assume he shouldn’t try to run the ball (Just like how I’m glad he never decides he’s simply not going to punt from the 40 because of what the stats say), because it remains a simpler, less risky undertaking than passing (Albeit passing is a considerably less risky undertaking than it once was)
"Infantrymen of the polis think it a disgraceful thing to run away, and they choose death over safety in flight. On the other hand, hired soldiers, who rely from the outset on superior strength, flee as soon as they find they are outnumbered, fearing death more than dishonor."
by ReadingRambler on Aug 9, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously, did NO ONE pick up on BSD's elite comment?
we never played VA Tech, so how do we know how we stack up against the elite?
Y’all have been dropping the ball without me here.
This is BSD, the crazy stirs itself.
by Paige2PSU on Aug 9, 2011 8:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Don't compare Mike with M1EK ever
Mike doesn’t hate Penn State but pretend not to
"I play for Penn State, we don't celebrate after TDs." - Penn State's Derek Moye, on being asked to act like he's celebrating a TD during a BTN shoot.
You’re still bitter over that whole civil war debate, aren’t you? LOL
by BSD on Aug 9, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Why I would be? I won.
If you want to stick with the crackpots from the Von Mises Institute, whatever, dude.
"Infantrymen of the polis think it a disgraceful thing to run away, and they choose death over safety in flight. On the other hand, hired soldiers, who rely from the outset on superior strength, flee as soon as they find they are outnumbered, fearing death more than dishonor."
by ReadingRambler on Aug 9, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
There were no winners in that debate
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There were two views:
Lincoln started it.
The South started it.
The former has absolutely no historical merit whatsoever. So I clearly could not have lost.
"Infantrymen of the polis think it a disgraceful thing to run away, and they choose death over safety in flight. On the other hand, hired soldiers, who rely from the outset on superior strength, flee as soon as they find they are outnumbered, fearing death more than dishonor."
by ReadingRambler on Aug 9, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The fact that it's a recurring debate on a sports blog
Is pretty sad
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Why?
Why aren’t we allowed to talk about anything besides football?
And it’s not even a recurring debate. He and I discussed it in details in one and a half threads (Roughly). That’s about it.
"Infantrymen of the polis think it a disgraceful thing to run away, and they choose death over safety in flight. On the other hand, hired soldiers, who rely from the outset on superior strength, flee as soon as they find they are outnumbered, fearing death more than dishonor."
by ReadingRambler on Aug 9, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
You talk about the Civil War in so many threads
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No, I don't.
If you’re going to exaggerate, at least make it close to the truth.
"Infantrymen of the polis think it a disgraceful thing to run away, and they choose death over safety in flight. On the other hand, hired soldiers, who rely from the outset on superior strength, flee as soon as they find they are outnumbered, fearing death more than dishonor."
by ReadingRambler on Aug 9, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
We're not getting into the debate again
What’s sad to me is he can’t get past it and now he can’t agree with anything I say because of it. I criticize Paterno, and suddenly he sees Paterno as infallible.
by BSD on Aug 9, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Really? No, that's not it.
Lately I’ve been disagreeing with you because I think you’re wrong. Perhaps you’re the one who can’t get past something. I don’t know. I have jokingly called you a secesher or disowned you in my official role as co-representative of the 717 (My co-worker, jtot, is out), but that has nothing to do with my constantly disagreeing with you (I don’t constantly disagree with you anyway).
Lately I’ve disagreed with you in three threads: I don’t think Penn State needs to play Pitt (last week), I think Paterno can and will decide what is best for himself and the university (Yesterday), and I don’t think there’s much of anything wrong with Paterno’s in-game coaching. I can state truthfully that my opinions on all of these subjects have been consistent through the years and that they have next to nothing to do with my opinions on the American Civil War.
"Infantrymen of the polis think it a disgraceful thing to run away, and they choose death over safety in flight. On the other hand, hired soldiers, who rely from the outset on superior strength, flee as soon as they find they are outnumbered, fearing death more than dishonor."
by ReadingRambler on Aug 9, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey hey hey
Wait a minute here. I’m part of the 717 and feel like I rep it very well. I’m hurt that I am not considered a rep as well.
"I don’t know what he’s done differently, whether he’s eating differently or Sue is making him happier, but he’s definitely a different coach out there" Devon Still
We don't whine in the 717.
Suck it.
"Infantrymen of the polis think it a disgraceful thing to run away, and they choose death over safety in flight. On the other hand, hired soldiers, who rely from the outset on superior strength, flee as soon as they find they are outnumbered, fearing death more than dishonor."
by ReadingRambler on Aug 10, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Maximum effective range
You know how weapons are defined by “maximum effective range”? We used to say, “The maximum effective range of a whine or excuse is 0 meters.”
Cut down on a lot of gratituous kvetching.
I'd like to have two Armies -- one for display, with lovely guns, tanks, little Soldiers, staffs, distinguished and doddering Generals and deal little regimental officers, who would be deeply concerned over their General's bowel movements or their Colonel's piles; an Army that would be shown for a modest fee on every fairground in the country.
The other would be the REAL ONE, composed entirely of young enthusiasts in camouflage uniforms, who would not be put on display but from whom impossible efforts would be demanded and to whom all sorts of tricks would be taught. That's the Army in which I should like to fight.
by PSU_Lions_84 on Aug 10, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
No
we get drink corn whiskey or hard cider and have duels. So I challenge you to a duel, at sunrise, by some orchard.
"I don’t know what he’s done differently, whether he’s eating differently or Sue is making him happier, but he’s definitely a different coach out there" Devon Still
Is this an appropriate time to mention
that I graduated from not one, but two, sniper schools when I was in the Army? And that my MOS was 18-Bravo — Special Forces weapons specialist?
I'd like to have two Armies -- one for display, with lovely guns, tanks, little Soldiers, staffs, distinguished and doddering Generals and dear little regimental officers, who would be deeply concerned over their General's bowel movements or their Colonel's piles; an Army that would be shown for a modest fee on every fairground in the country.
The other would be the REAL ONE, composed entirely of young enthusiasts in camouflage uniforms, who would not be put on display but from whom impossible efforts would be demanded and to whom all sorts of tricks would be taught. That's the Army in which I should like to fight.
by PSU_Lions_84 on Aug 10, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
dually noted
luckily I was not calling you out and focusing my duel at rambler. And none of this fancy pants modern guns, we’ll use flint lock muskets.
That said, thank you for your service to this great country of ours and your badass rating just jumped tremendously. I’m sure you care greatly ha.
"I don’t know what he’s done differently, whether he’s eating differently or Sue is making him happier, but he’s definitely a different coach out there" Devon Still
Darn, just when I needed an excuse to pull
the Barrett out of the closet.
J/k, Jman, and you’re welcome! Altho, I feel guilty at times: I got to do all kinds of high speed stuff, paid for by the taxpayers. So thank YOU all who made my wild-and-crazy times possible!
I'd like to have two Armies -- one for display, with lovely guns, tanks, little Soldiers, staffs, distinguished and doddering Generals and dear little regimental officers, who would be deeply concerned over their General's bowel movements or their Colonel's piles; an Army that would be shown for a modest fee on every fairground in the country.
The other would be the REAL ONE, composed entirely of young enthusiasts in camouflage uniforms, who would not be put on display but from whom impossible efforts would be demanded and to whom all sorts of tricks would be taught. That's the Army in which I should like to fight.
by PSU_Lions_84 on Aug 10, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
No, dueling is for aristocratic Southerners.
We wrestle. And I’d kick your ass because the best wrestlers never whine (Suck it, Bubba Jenkins, you’re not the best and you probably had a switchblade under that stupid do-rag).
"Infantrymen of the polis think it a disgraceful thing to run away, and they choose death over safety in flight. On the other hand, hired soldiers, who rely from the outset on superior strength, flee as soon as they find they are outnumbered, fearing death more than dishonor."
by ReadingRambler on Aug 10, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
It was..
the best thread this blog has ever seen.
@EstebanDAmur
Scott, things aren't as happy as they used to be down here at the unemployment office. Joblessness is no longer just for Philosophy majors - useful people are starting to feel the pinch.
by Esteban d' Amur on Aug 9, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
There were mentions of Vince Clarke, Erasure, Yaz, and Depeche Mode
always a winner
"I play for Penn State, we don't celebrate after TDs." - Penn State's Derek Moye, on being asked to act like he's celebrating a TD during a BTN shoot.
I don't care about punting on 4th and 3 from around midfield in the second quarter.
That’s defensible in its own way. I do not think it’s smart when Paterno does this down 17-3 at Iowa, with less than 5:00 left: 4th and 6 at PSU 46 Anthony Fera punt for 32 yards, fair catch by Colin Sandeman at the Iowa 22.
That’s dumb. That’s giving up.
by Chris Grovich on Aug 9, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
That's fine.
And you can rant about it if you want to. But is that enough to make a rule about it and tell Paterno what to do? Of course not.
"Infantrymen of the polis think it a disgraceful thing to run away, and they choose death over safety in flight. On the other hand, hired soldiers, who rely from the outset on superior strength, flee as soon as they find they are outnumbered, fearing death more than dishonor."
by ReadingRambler on Aug 9, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll go on the record and say that I hope we run the end around a decent amount
Given, I am also the one who would say run a counter with the end around out of the wildcat (Which we’ll do w/Drake) and run a sweep to one side, then have Drake throw the ball back across the field to the QB (Something that usually isn’t done, but is so unconventional it almost always works).
But only run it with Drake. Sorry to be an NFL scout, but Devon has no field vision and isn’t really that shifty. Just fast. So run him deep every play and use it to clear out the safety.
#OffensiveCoordinator’d
"We're going to do all we can to get this team right, to go after that national championship" - Devon Still
by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Aug 9, 2011 10:58 AM EDT reply actions
Are we speculating that Redd is the starter
or has it been announced that he’s the starter?
Every article I’ve seen here recently talks about him as the undisputed starter. Just wanted to make sure.
I would only be mildly surprised if Greene was the starter on opening day,
due to the fact that he has more time in the JoePa Civil Service System than Redd does. He’s like a GS-15 to Redd’s GS-5.
Word on the street is you're a jerk, Mitchell.
by icavalera on Aug 9, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I can see Green as the starter against Ind. State
but, unfortunately for him, it’s like having a dignitary throw out the first pitch to start baseball season. Redd has shown too much talent to sit on the bench.
And if we consider seniority, there is Beachum, who has been snake-bit a couple of years. Hopefully he is back 100% healthy, and the coaches can find a way to get him some valuable PT — both for his sake and that of the other RBs.
Agreed. That's kind of how I envision the season starting at the RB position.
Word on the street is you're a jerk, Mitchell.
I see it as an "abundance of riches" rather than
an “embarrassment of riches.” Am hoping we avoid injuries, too. I really want to see Dukes carrying three would-be tacklers for five yards. That kid is a LOAD!
by PSU_Lions_84 on Aug 9, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Doghouse
All I want to do is make the whole crowd bounce, y'all
I was that guy, Adam Collyer. Now, I'm that guy, Adam Collyer
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by Adam Collyer on Aug 9, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Not a whole ton of details, but apparently Stephfon has to pull himself out of a self-made hole.
All I want to do is make the whole crowd bounce, y'all
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by Adam Collyer on Aug 9, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed.
Especially since I wrote this a few months ago
All I want to do is make the whole crowd bounce, y'all
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by Adam Collyer on Aug 9, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Great article!
And a reminder to us all about how tempus fugits . . .
by PSU_Lions_84 on Aug 9, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
what does fugi's temper have to do with this?
"I play for Penn State, we don't celebrate after TDs." - Penn State's Derek Moye, on being asked to act like he's celebrating a TD during a BTN shoot.
I probably should have used the sarcasm font
"I play for Penn State, we don't celebrate after TDs." - Penn State's Derek Moye, on being asked to act like he's celebrating a TD during a BTN shoot.
Wait we discussed the band YES on here?
I missed that one.
"Hey Joe, don't worry about the guys we lose. Only make sure the guys you bring in here belong here, and they're coming here for the right reasons." - Rip Engle to Joe Paterno
Yes, in a Roundabout way.
Yes was pro-Union.
by PSU_Lions_84 on Aug 9, 2011 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I'm sure they were
After all, I’ve Seen All Good People, and they’re always pro-union, but once you start looking towards the South Side Of The Sky, I wish the confederate supporters would all be banished to Australia. The should just Open Their Eyes, the war’s over.
(and yes [no pun intended] I am sitting here with my iTunes library open looking for the cheesiest puns I can find)
"Hey Joe, don't worry about the guys we lose. Only make sure the guys you bring in here belong here, and they're coming here for the right reasons." - Rip Engle to Joe Paterno
Dawson, some of those amounted to
two-thirds of a pun: P-U!! (Say it out loud, and the meaning is clear.)
I'd like to have two Armies -- one for display, with lovely guns, tanks, little Soldiers, staffs, distinguished and doddering Generals and deal little regimental officers, who would be deeply concerned over their General's bowel movements or their Colonel's piles; an Army that would be shown for a modest fee on every fairground in the country.
The other would be the REAL ONE, composed entirely of young enthusiasts in camouflage uniforms, who would not be put on display but from whom impossible efforts would be demanded and to whom all sorts of tricks would be taught. That's the Army in which I should like to fight.
by PSU_Lions_84 on Aug 10, 2011 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Those of you who haven't clicked on the link about me throwing the remote are really missing out.
It’s very BSD appropriate and SFW.
All I want to do is make the whole crowd bounce, y'all
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The next video says...
…“Ball python eating rabbit”. That’s not another Coco video, is it?
Alabama
The first 1.25 quarters were an absolute nightmare. The score might have been 14-0, but it felt more like 41-0.
After that, PSU was right there with Alabama. Outside of complete red zone failure, PSU was very arguably the superior team. And before some idiot says something to the effect of “yeah but saban took his foot off the gas lol,” look at the pass attempts per play, Richardson’s rushes per play, and Richardson’s yards per carry.
Alabama won because they were the best team in the stadium that day. You won’t hear me say otherwise. You also won’t hear me say that Alabama was the better team for all 4 quarters. They weren’t.
"I play for Penn State, we don't celebrate after TDs." - Penn State's Derek Moye, on being asked to act like he's celebrating a TD during a BTN shoot.
"...look at the pass attempts per play."
One seldom sees more than one pass attempt per play.
:-P
which is the problem
we aren’t trying the double and triple pass attempts. Instead we run these dumb plays that have no pass attempts. What kind of offensive strategy is that? A dumb one. Thats why the Big 12 is so good at football.
I'm on the Internet cause I'm an Internet thug.
If you need the stats, fine
Trent Richardson:
1st quarter: 8 carries, 92 yards (insane)
Last 3 quarters: 14 carries, 52 yards (mediocre to bad)
First Downs:
Alabama in the first quarter and 5 seconds: 10
PSU in the first quarter and 5 seconds: 3
Alabama after that: 9
PSU after that: 14
Saban did not take his foot off the gas
Pass attempts per play, 1st quarter: 8/18
Pass attempts per play, the rest of the game: 16/36—same exact percentage
Richardson rushes per play, 1st quarter: 8/18
Richardson rushes per play, rest of the game: 14/36—not quite as much, but given how ineffective he was after the first quarter, this isn’t Saban taking his foot off the gas; this is Saban trying to get the best player at the moment on the field
"I play for Penn State, we don't celebrate after TDs." - Penn State's Derek Moye, on being asked to act like he's celebrating a TD during a BTN shoot.
by ckmneon on Aug 10, 2011 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Wasn't there some talk about a few recruits possibly visiting this psat weekend?
And I thought there were some rumors that we might be hearing some sirens from those recruits visiting. Any updates on what happened or if we might be hearing any sirens soon?
Nothing imminent from what I can tell.
But Tommy Schutt was on campus over this past weekend, and he’s someone we really need if Jarron Jones goes elsewhere.
by Chris Grovich on Aug 9, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Reverses, Ingram and Scott each had 15-20 carries in 94 and both had huge ypc.
Garrity and Jackson ran a lot of reverses, Jimmy Cefelo ran a ton. It used to be a pretty successful play. The play action has to be working for the reverse to be successful and the QB has to be good at the play action fake.
My grammer skills need improved.
The most overused play may be the reverse
But the QB sneak, Fullback dive, and screen pass are in close contention. The big difference is the that the reverse has much more chance for drive killing failure than the other 3 plays.
It sucks that they scored on the next play
it might be blasphemy but IMHO that Poz aerial takedown of that Minny RB on the goal line might be my favorite highlight play ever.
"Hey Joe, don't worry about the guys we lose. Only make sure the guys you bring in here belong here, and they're coming here for the right reasons." - Rip Engle to Joe Paterno
Good stuff
Love, love, love number one. The trenchfare is gonna be sooo different this year, on both sides of the ball. And we didn’t fare all that poorly on O down there last year!
jtothetweet
"Hate doesn't give a damn about tactics or stategy. Hate cares only about hate." --rosswbhgp
Remind me: how many sacks did Alabama get last year?
"Infantrymen of the polis think it a disgraceful thing to run away, and they choose death over safety in flight. On the other hand, hired soldiers, who rely from the outset on superior strength, flee as soon as they find they are outnumbered, fearing death more than dishonor."
by ReadingRambler on Aug 9, 2011 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
None, IIRC.
But Bolden got hit A LOT after getting rid of the ball.
This is BSD, the crazy stirs itself.
by Paige2PSU on Aug 9, 2011 11:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Never really seemed to bother him.
"Infantrymen of the polis think it a disgraceful thing to run away, and they choose death over safety in flight. On the other hand, hired soldiers, who rely from the outset on superior strength, flee as soon as they find they are outnumbered, fearing death more than dishonor."
by ReadingRambler on Aug 9, 2011 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
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