Success With Hyperlinking Is Stepping Back From The Ledge
by Peter Gray on Sep 21, 2011 6:30 AM EDT
in Link Dumps
Email
Print
Conference Realignment Watch continues. Here are your pertinent developments.
- The Pac-12 is not expanding right now, which means Oklahoma is either stuck in a Big 12 that it doesn't want to be in, or they'll start making overtures to the other conferences. For OU to stay in the Big 12, they demanded that there be serious change Texas and ESPN's Longhorn Network contract, and Dan Beebe has to lose his job. In related news, the briefly rumored merger of the Big 12 and Big east is now dead.
- Before Syracuse and Pitt bolted for the ACC, apparently the Big East was working on inviting a few teams, including Navy and Air Force. Probably won't happen now, but I really would have enjoyed seeing those two teams in an AQ conference.
- Missouri has reportedly been invited to join the SEC. However, neither Missouri or the SEC are saying so yet. Keep an eye on this, as Mizzou was long considered to be a logical expansion choice for our dear B1G.
- West Virginia has reportedly been turned away by both the ACC and the SEC. That can't feel good.
HT: @DerekAggie06, via KegsnEggs
81 comments
|
0 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
Although I want to say the Pac 12 news is good news,
the same thing happened with SEC taking A&M. At first denying expansion, then expansion.
I heard once that the reason Boise wasn't allowed into the PAC-12
Was because they didnt have a law school (cash cow for other schools in the university). If true, I don’t think OSU has a law school, and TTU’s (if I’m correct) is questionable… I wonder if this plays a role.
"Every player we have, someone-maybe a parent, a grandparent, someone-poured their soul into that young man. They are handing that young man off to us. They are giving us their treasure, and it's our job to make sure we give them back that young man intact and ready to face the world."
-J.V.Pa.
by psume06 on Sep 21, 2011 7:06 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Well
in the time it took you to type this, T Boone Pickins could have bought a law school, so I dont know how much of an issue it was for OSU. But really, that wouldn’t stop the Pac-12 from just taking Texas and OU. I think no one wants to deal with the Longhorn Network. I really hope the situation plays out so Texas is left without a conference. Then, the impetus behind all of the conference realignment ends up without a conference. And everyone laughs.
I'm on the Internet cause I'm an Internet thug.
Follow @134Lounge
Longhorn Network Season 1 football schedule:
Rice
@Tulane
UTEP
New Mexico State
BYU
@Houston
@Omaha Steaks
Hormel
Dinty Moore Beef Stew
City Slickers with Billy Crystal
@Texas A&M
Championship Game @ the High School Field used for Friday Night Lights.
by Mr. Rosewater on Sep 21, 2011 8:08 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Boise won't get into the Pac-12 because it's a terrible school
And the Pac-12 presidents actually do care somewhat about academics.
The Pac-12, before expansion, was in 2 categories
The California Schools and Complete Jokes
"I play for Penn State, we don't celebrate after TDs." - Penn State's Derek Moye, on being asked to act like he's celebrating a TD during a BTN shoot.
Academically?
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I was under the impression that the Washington and Arizona are quite good academically.
Gone up in the last couple years quite a bit by people who rank such things
but no, not really
"I play for Penn State, we don't celebrate after TDs." - Penn State's Derek Moye, on being asked to act like he's celebrating a TD during a BTN shoot.
UW is a good school
not sure about the others.
by kijana's acl on Sep 21, 2011 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Arizona State, Washington State, and Oregon State are not good schools. They are west coast West Virginias
and their Stateless counterparts aren’t much better
"I play for Penn State, we don't celebrate after TDs." - Penn State's Derek Moye, on being asked to act like he's celebrating a TD during a BTN shoot.
Washington is a top 50 school
And Oregon is a decent school. But yes, Arizona State and the like are… less than decent.
According to US News and World Report
Stanford-5
Cal-21
USC-23
UCLA-25
Washington-42
Colorado-94
Oregon-101
Washington St-115
Arizona-124
Utah-124
Arizona St-132
Oregon St-138
ASU may not be good academically, but they pull in a lot of research $$$$…I’m sure the Pac-12 looks at that stuff too.
"When I put on my uniform, I feel I am the proudest man on earth."
-Roberto
by blackjackfishtaco on Sep 21, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
However, ASU Also Does Quite Well In Other Areas, If You Know What I Mean
Run.
by Bob Sacamano on Sep 21, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Can Bob sell
ice to an Eskimo after a night’s rest at the New La Quinta? Yes. Panty Run. Yes.
Please don't follow me on twitter.
lolWUT?!?
" When you cross that Blue Line, you are mine...Across the Blue Line, it's all football. " " And what you need to do in your life is paint Blue Lines everywhere. " - Joe Paterno 2009
by BlueWhiteLife on Sep 21, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
One of the areas ASU does well in...
"Illegitimus non Carborundum!" (Don't let the bastards wear you down)
Law School
I doubt that is why this deal didn’t go through. The PAC10/12 agreed to equal revenue sharing when Colorado & Utah were added; before that USC and UCLA got more. I don’t think they wanted to now let Texas get a bigger piece of the pie. In other words, a dollar dispute stopped the expansion.
As or adding law schools I am sure T. Boone Pickens could fund 2 law schools. But the LAST thing this country needs is more law schools. There are already enough unemployed and underemployed lawyers. FTR-I am a fully employed lawyer-on my way to court in a bit.
"You can't handle the truth!"
Welcome to reality Texas...
everyone is sick of you. The Longhorn Network was just the last straw. If you’re going to be in a conference, you are going to have to learn how to share. You should have learned manners when you were a pre-school. Now that you are all grown up and full of yourself you are finding that even your good friend Oklahoma doesn’t lke your blathering, boastful, selfishness.
Please don't follow me on twitter.
by rahpsu92 on Sep 21, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't feel bad anymore for WVU.
Sorry to copy and paste my comment from another thread, but this Facebook posting eliminates any sympathy I have towards WVU.
"Joining the ACC is a death blow for Pitt as far as football goes. They will never be relevant again, not that they have been in decades. They will be an also-ran every year playing teams that no one in Pittsburgh will pay to see. Playing the Duke’s, Wake Forrest’s and Virginia’s will bring no fans to Heinz Field, and when they begin to lose to those teams, and they will… Sounds kinda like Penn State a few years ago when they went to the Big 10 and look at them now…irrelevant. Penn State is no longer "big time", they’re just another bad Big 10 team…As far as basketball goes – first who cares. Second, the Big East was the draw for recruits…not Pitt!!!"
Wow! Pretty ballsy stuff for a team that’s never won anything and just got rejected by TWO conferences! Have fun in the Big 12 East or whatever. Oh…and good luck keeping that auto BCS bid or being invited to the new playoff system should it emerge.
Hillbillies!
Get the matches ready-biggest game you’re playing for a LONG time this Saturday! I even heard the whole ESPN gang is showing up!
"You can't handle the truth!"
We debate here PSU's relevance nowadays.
PSU is not what it once was, but it is certainly relevant. Regardless, even if PSU was not relevant I would say it’s better to have at least been relevant at one time than to have never been relevant like WVU has never been.
Irrelevant...
because irrelevant teams have a game against Temple nationally televised on ESPN
by jrock4 on Sep 21, 2011 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
+1 for truth
WVU has been a MNC contender in November 3 times in the past 30 years (2007, 1993, 1988). One of those teams lost at home to a 5-7 Pitt team, then lost their head coach before the bowl game. Another won 5 games by less than 7 points and got beat in the bowl game by more than 30.
The 1988 team was for real, they just ran into a great Notre Dame team. 1 for real team in 30 years. Penn State has had 3 Sagarin National Championships in that time (82, 86, 94), played for another (85), and was some bad officiating from playing for two more (05, 08).
West Virginia, I’d tell you not to be stupid about this, but I don’t tell water not to be wet.
"I play for Penn State, we don't celebrate after TDs." - Penn State's Derek Moye, on being asked to act like he's celebrating a TD during a BTN shoot.
Disagree that 1988 team was for real.
They were good…really good…but they weren’t a legit NC caliber team. Their schedule was horrible…pretty sure the 5-6 or whatever the losing record was that year PSU team was the best team they played prior to ND.
That team had a terrific COLLEGE qb in Harris and probably even more importantly had an o-line comprised entirely of 5th year seniors. So they were tough on O. But the defense was not very good. 88 team was a lot like the 07 team – great O, suspect at best D. Sure the 07 team lucked out and beat Georgia, but what’s forgotten about that game is after they jumped out to a 28-0 by very early in the 2nd quarter they were outscored 35-10 the rest of the way. They gave up over 500 yards of total offense and Georgia’s 5 TD drives AVERAGED 80 yards!
That was the 05 team
and I totally picked WVU to win that game, on the grounds that WVU had the first competent offense Georgia had seen that year.
"I play for Penn State, we don't celebrate after TDs." - Penn State's Derek Moye, on being asked to act like he's celebrating a TD during a BTN shoot.
The SEC went through a stretch of inexplicably bad offensive play
In 05, David Greene of Georgia was probably the league’s best QB. Though a lot of people around here are bemoaning the current state of the Big Ten, I’d take Wilson, Robinson, Martinez, Cousins all over Greene as college QBs, and a few others are close.
"I play for Penn State, we don't celebrate after TDs." - Penn State's Derek Moye, on being asked to act like he's celebrating a TD during a BTN shoot.
If anyone has any desire to have WVU in their conference
they should watch Gameday this Saturday as Morgantown preps for a night game (OMG!) against #2 LSU. A whole day of drinkin’ in the holler’s around the stadium will be a television treat. I hope those guys make it out in one piece – mentally as well as physically.
*
I thought the same thing
The EMU game is also going to be nationally televised on ESPN2. Plus, these are actual Saturday games. None of this Thursday or Friday night crap that teams like WVU need to play to get exposure.
"Irrelevance" is a tricky word.
Kind of like “elite”. Penn State is always going to be on TV due to the audience size.
by Chris Grovich on Sep 21, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh, and relevant programs don't get turned down by TWO different conferences!
Sure, when it all shakes out they may end up in the ACC or SEC, but it will only be because said conferences need a warm body to make it to a magic number. It won’t be because they actually want them…it’s just been proven they don’t. And the Big 10 certainly has zero interest in WVU as well.
Now that’s what you call being irrelevant!
I would rather have Army or Navy.
Than WVU.
"This is being a Penn State fan. We’ll prove it, or we won’t. It’s not about proving it to them, it’s about proving to ourselves."
Pretty Much Always Irrelevant
Two really good years-and that’s it. 1988-Undefeated regular season but got smoked by ND in the Fiesta Bowlin a game for the MNC. 1993-Undefeated regular season (in that powerful Big East) and got smoked by the Gators in the Sugar Bowl. Had they won the latter game they may have won the MNC. And that’s all folks!
Had PSU not joined the B1G the 1993 WVU game would have been in HV (ood year). Which means that the Hillbillies wouldn’t have gone unbeaten that season.
"You can't handle the truth!"
In 88 they didn't play a good team until ND.
And look what happened! (Although that year they were never really out of any game with Major Harris at qb. He could cause any team fits.)
I used to call on WVU in the 80’s. I met the Dean of Engineering, played golf with the president, took them $50,000 checks, etc. So, I was pretty wired in at the upper levels. My main contact was a “huge” mountaineer supporter, bled Blue and Gold. While he loved M. Harris as a football player and the success he brought to the program, he was embarrassed with Harris’ conduct and performance in Morgantown as a “student athlete” (ha, ha) and as a person.
I’ve said this before, the administration down there hated Pitt, but while they always wanted to beat us (something they couldn’t do prior to Major), they had a real respect for PSU – the football program, Paterno and the school. I haven’t been involved with WVU since we dropped them in the 90’s. I expect you would have a tough time finding any WVU folks who don’t hate us now.
I used to be indecisive. Now I'm not sure.
All my WVU buddies absolutely hate Pitt...
But they utterly despise Penn State and would root like mad for Pitt to beat PSU.
Pretty sure WVU first beat PSU in the Paterno era in 1983 (too lazy to look it up, though).
Interesting
Why the hate for PSU? Still angry about our move to the B1G and cancelling the series? Plain old jealousy, as old as Cain and Abel? Just a little surprised to hear the folks in Morgantown even have much of an opinion on Penn State.
"I don't think you can progress in this game unless you know about the past."
-Silas Redd
WVU hates everyone regionally that is better than them. They hate VT, too. To the point that they threw beer cans at a female friend of mine before and after a game.
"When I put on my uniform, I feel I am the proudest man on earth."
-Roberto
by blackjackfishtaco on Sep 21, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Not sure why.
I really think it’s because PSU has dominated them so much. So I guess that would be jealousy.
Honestly, you would not believe the level of hate they have. I have more buddies who went to WVU than anywhere else. And they hate PSU more than even Pitt fans do (and that takes some doing!).
Sadly (I guess) for them their hate goes largely unnoticed. And that’s because……WVU is irrelevant!
They hate anyone
who has all of their teeth and two eyes that look in the same direction.
"Illegitimus non Carborundum!" (Don't let the bastards wear you down)
by RWReese on Sep 21, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The Hillbilly comment is out of line...
Look, it’s the 21st Century and these folks long ago discovered Zippo products.
"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
by SubLime on Sep 21, 2011 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Oh no!
You mean they finally have FIRE?!?!
"Illegitimus non Carborundum!" (Don't let the bastards wear you down)
You don't think those couches combusted spontaneously, do you?
Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?
Even taking out the Penn State hit, it's still bad.
He claims that Wake Forest, Duke, & Virginia won’t fill Heinz Field. Duh! No kidding. But it’s not like Lousiville, UConn, SF, Cincy, & Rutgers did either. And there’s no dispute amongst rational beings that the ACC offers a much better and interesting slate of teams than the Big East.
Then he claims that the Big East and not Pitt was what drew recruits to Pitt for hoops. Wow, how dumb is that. If that were the case, then wouldn’t all the teams in the Big East be equally good in hoops?? Pitt, their facilities, their campus, and now yes even their “tradition” (almost choked writing that) are MAINLY what draws bb recruits to them. The conference plays a role, but it won’t be diminished much if at all by playing in the ACC, that’s for sure.
The problem for Pitt in the Big East
was they they were the big cheese program, and they couldn’t play themselves, so the conference schedule was full of meh games.
This year their home conference schedule is:
USF
UConn
Cincinnati
Syracuse
In years when the WVU game is away, they only have OOC games like ND to draw fans. Now they’ll have teams like FSU, Miami, and VT coming to town with regularity. There’s no question that this is an upgrade for football and at least even for basketball.
Not only will schools like FSU and VT cause Pitt fans to come to games, but fans of those programs also travel very well.
"When I put on my uniform, I feel I am the proudest man on earth."
-Roberto
by blackjackfishtaco on Sep 21, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I dunno.
I can’t imagine many fans making the trip from Tallahassee. That’s a long way and a lot of money. And if it’s later in the year and it’s cold…….
Pitt can't even fill Heinz Field.
"It's never a bad thing thing to vote for the suckiness of tOSU." -RWReese
Follow @Paige2PSU
I don’t know. In the mid ninety’s, one of the first games at Heinz was Pitt- Miami. Pitt was pretty strong and Miami was powerful. They didn’t fill the stadium then (though it was a very nice crowd).
So even when Miami, FSU, VPI, Clemson (assuming they are all in the ACC going foreward) comes to town, they still won’t fill Heinz like WVU, ND or PSU did. The ACC is not a “slam dunk” for Pitt and Syracuse, but it certainly gets them out of the cesspool of Big East football.
I used to be indecisive. Now I'm not sure.
Surely you are mistaken about the time.
Pitt was never strong in the mid-90s. That was Johnny Majors II and they were horrible then. I think you mean the early 2000s and it was a night game, I believe. Heinz didn’t open until 2001.
It was just in the paper today that Pitt has sold out Heinz only 5 times (that equals 1 sellout every 2 years) and ND was 3 of them. Probably will get #6 this weekend with ND again.
You mean "Back to the Future" wasn't a huge success?
That was back when they were losing games like 73-0. The only Pitt game I ever saw at Pitt Stadium was an Ohio State thrashing of Pitt in the mid 90s by 40 points. Good times.
by mundyscorner99 on Sep 21, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
That's the game where Ohio State returned a punt for a touchdown....
…when they (OSU) only had 9 guys on the field!
My gosh those Pitt teams were bad!
Air Force and Navy were the contingency plan for Big East
its no wonder Syracuse and Pitt bolted.
John Marinatto: Its OK, the Big East will thrive, we just invited Navy!
Daryl Gross: Navy? Sorry, the phone is breaking up, i cant hear you, I’m going through a tunnel…..
also apparently Notre Dame voted to veto the ESPN football contract
which was another reason SU and Pitt left. And Jim Boeheim is not happy:
With the state the Big East has been in and the fact that certain schools and Notre Dame’s one of them that voted down the football contract, we’d probably be in the Big East right now if it wasn’t for that. But now they’re crying about us leaving. They shouldn’t have even voted on the football contract because they’re not even in it…If they really wanted to keep the Big East together they would have come in in football, then we wouldn’t be talking about this."
I feel like Notre Dame and Texas
really like smelling their own farts
I'm on the Internet cause I'm an Internet thug.
Follow @134Lounge
Well, Texans and Irish do eat a lot of brisket...
That’s good fartin!
Opinions are like f---holes. Everyone has at least two.
Navy
can’t go to the Big East. Ed went there to coach basketball so he could coast into retirement with a nice Patriot League schedule (and Penn State Altoona). Unfair!
*
Especially if you mix it
with crab cakes and beer
"Illegitimus non Carborundum!" (Don't let the bastards wear you down)
its just a microcosm of how dysfunctional the big east is
they let a non football member decide on revenues gained from football.
It always has been.
What’s funny is I’ve already seen comments on the Pgh blogs from Pitt fans calling it the Big Least. Man, they HATED that nickname when they were in it….you know, just a few days ago!
by J Breezy on Sep 21, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Obviously the BE invited Navy due to the perceived strength of their basketball program
by jrock4 on Sep 21, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I think Big East
thinks if they invite service academies, then Notre Damn will come with them. Of course they also think that there’s a space ship hiding behind a comet that is coming to take them away from all of this and all they need to do is take a little sip from the punch bowl..
"Illegitimus non Carborundum!" (Don't let the bastards wear you down)
You gotta love a Heaven's Gate reference...
Is Marshall Applewhite perchance up for Big East commissioner? You just know he’s still up there, tanned, rested, and ready to once again be of service to the terrestrially bound community.
"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
Although Applewhite would most certainly require that all schools ditch their current apparel contracts in favor of Nike
/fascinated by Heaven’s Gate
Run.
by Bob Sacamano on Sep 22, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
The Big East is going to have to go to 12 football teams soon if they want to survive.
Then again, those eight non-football teams may just be what’s left in the Big East:
UConn and Rutgers still want a ticket to the ACC. West Virginia, Louisville, and TCU would get the Big 12 up to the magical 12 number, allowing them the conference championship game.
Assuming Cincinnati and South Florida don’t want to go back to C-USA, they better start issuing bids like Rush Week just ended.
"I wouldn’t trust Craig James to report on sixth-grade volleyball." Stewart Mandel on Craig James, who allegedly killed five hookers while at SMU.
Sugar NOT so sweet.... Or as Monty Python would say:
Now for something completely different!!
If you haven’t seen the Bryant Gumble/Real Sports report on bowl games (the link above dealing with the Sugar Bowl is only PART of the story), you need to take a look.
Instead of discussion of conference realignment, how about some ideas on what can or should be done to bowls/bowl management. Not only are we not getting a national championship in FBS, we, the taxpayers, fans, AND the participating schools ( that INCLUDES PSU), are getting hosed by the existing system.
I think I am going to have to find something else to do on New Years Day; and I am seriously pissed off about it. (I know, not that it matters.) I’m hoping for a “Network” moment!! We’re not going to take it anymore……
Comments For This Post Are Closed
Secondary Sidebar
User Tools
Related FanPosts on Black Shoe Diaries
Related FanShots on Black Shoe Diaries
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
Recommended FanPosts
Recent FanPosts
SHOP THE BLACK SHOE DIARIES STORE
