Jay Paterno And The Circular Troll Squad
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In my observations from afar and without having actually met the guy, I like Jay Paterno. Seems like a thoughtful, conscientious guy who enjoys a broad variety of topics and interests. He's never been CoachBot5000 like so many other coaches who drive themselves into an early retirement due to being slaves to the playbook. Some see that as a detriment. Okay.
However, this sort of reactionary nonsense needs to stop.
Tough times have their benefits. One is that they expose the true character of the people in your life. Under pressure, everyone shows his or her true stripes. Some back away slowly, some run to be supportive, some tell you the truth you need to hear and some turn at the first sign of trouble and rip into you.
Of course, "tough times" are relative. Even some of my closest relatives think things are depressingly tough because of one loss or an uncomfortably close win. Think of soldiers in a gunfight in Afghanistan. That is the most extreme of "tough times." Sports are just games.
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A few weeks ago, many people were trumpeting Penn State’s superiority because win or lose, we do things "the right way." They mocked other universities for their alleged violations of NCAA rules. At the same time, Joe Paterno was revered for his track record of over 60 years of college athletics without a single major NCAA sanction.
Now, some Facebook "friends" have decided they want to tell me what they really think about Joe Paterno and the Penn State football program. And about me.
I get the passion, I really do. When the Red Sox started 2-10 this year I was wondering. They eventually got to first place and until this month they seemed to be a lock for the postseason. (And yes, I’m worried. But still hopeful they’ll hold on -- although losing to the O’s on Wednesday night hurt. A lot.)
The VAST majority of Penn State fans are true blue, true believers and true to their belief in Success with Honor. There are some, however, who profess the faith in good times and then look for the nearest exit when times get tough.
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[following a quick reference to the 2005 Northwestern game]
So no matter what transpires this Saturday and the remainder of the Saturdays this fall, the lesson for student-athletes remains the same:
You either fight on or fold your tent. You either get on board or jump ship. And either way, your decision will show your true colors.
The life of a college football coach is difficult. We all get that. Coaches have had their houses vandalized, have been burned in effigy. It's ugly out there. The barbs and arrows are countless and inbound from every conceivable angle. Same goes for assistant coaches who are directing a particularly flailing segment of the football team. Just ask Jeff and Bobby Bowden.
The issue here is not Penn State's clean NCAA record, obviously -- and let's be clear, nobody would care that Penn State was doing things "the right way" if they had Indiana's win-loss record over the past 40 years. As much as it pains many to read this, that grey, 110,000+ capacity battleship of a stadium and Joe Paterno's legacy weren't built on graduation rates. "Success With Honor" is something a football program can only claim in a relentless public relations campaign after the "success" part is established over time. Otherwise, you're Vanderbilt.
Forget the larger meta discussion of whether it's justifiable to be GRRRR SMASH about college football, or to paraphrase Dr. Saturday's former site, the instant decisions of 18-21 year olds under intense pressure. The anger from the fanbase is how this current team is being handled, which is absolutely justified by people were asked to fork over piles of cash prior to this season and presented with a shoddy product in return. The blatantly apparent disorganization of the offense, the reluctance of the coaching staff to choose any quarterback, and the perception (which is absolutely propagated by Penn State, despite its best efforts) that nobody is really in charge of the operation all contribute to the mess. STEP and the degradation of the gameday atmopshere into a Double-A baseball game haven't helped, either. It goes far beyond box scores and passing statistics.
This isn't to say that a large portion of the vitriol is overdone and unnecessary -- just check the comments to Jay's story -- but any coach of a high profile program knows this is part of the job description. The passion, constructive or otherwise, is what fills that giant stadium and allows coaches to live a life of modest-to-ridiculous luxury for instructing college men how best to play a game.
Thus, coaches constantly say that they don't read the criticism contained in newspapers and blogs, even though they are often lying. It's the easiest and most effective dodge of criticism, not to mention being the completely correct way to handle the situation from a PR standpoint. Hey, you see what that jerk at Black Shoe Diaries said about you? Nope, don't read blogs. [/Cheetos-stained fingertips and Mom's basement joke, drops mic.]
Getting trolled by the fanbase on Facebook and Twitter, then splitting them into "true fans" and "others" in the face of one's own, current failings is not a recommended path. A wise man once said, "that internet'll ruin your life." He was right. Jay's reaction, at a bare minimum, isn't helping matters and is only creating further animosity. At worst, it's desperate and pathetic. The fight is unwinnable. The only winning move is not to play.
The comments to Jay's column should serve as proof that the battle can't be won. He's fighting a five-alarm blaze with a squirt gun filled with tears. One post, scores of insults fired back. Nobody is winning, and nobody will. The only practical response to the online criticism of Penn State's offense is for this to appear in a thought bubble above Jay Paterno's head.
Don't invoke the hardships of soldiers in Afghanistan as cover to fire back at fans. Don't invoke George Washington, who incidentally, knew when to step aside and give someone else a chance to run the nation.
Please, everybody. Back to work.
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I like Jay but this article wasn't a good idea...
My only issue with Jay is him not being on the sidelines, young men need leadership not from a booth/phone, they need in your face leadership…
With seemingly most of the O staff in the box the young QBs are lost. If he plans to be part of the next regime, time to step out of comfort zone and do what is best for the team
Hire Mike Pettine Jr!!!!!!!!
Come on big guy.
He can’t split play calling duties with Galen from the sideline. Silly STL.
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by PSUinBOSSton on Sep 22, 2011 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah...my bad
If he wants to call the plays, then call all the plays and lead…all I ask
Hire Mike Pettine Jr!!!!!!!!
by SweepTheLeg on Sep 22, 2011 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Of course you like Jay.
He’s a liberal. :-)
Love your sports stuff, though.
/ RUTS’d
"That Craig James gets such prominent assignments remains a mystery on the D.B. Cooper scale."
Richard Deitsch on Craig James, who allegedly killed 5 hookers while at SMU.
by Pete the Streak on Sep 22, 2011 4:16 PM EDT reply actions
Ah, the good ole days, huh?
Keep up the great work.
"That Craig James gets such prominent assignments remains a mystery on the D.B. Cooper scale."
Richard Deitsch on Craig James, who allegedly killed 5 hookers while at SMU.
by Pete the Streak on Sep 22, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes. Yes it did.
"That Craig James gets such prominent assignments remains a mystery on the D.B. Cooper scale."
Richard Deitsch on Craig James, who allegedly killed 5 hookers while at SMU.
by Pete the Streak on Sep 22, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Comments section is brutal
Makes the “nasty” stuff here at BSD look like this. Can anyone explain the “Jay assaulted Kevin Thompson before the ’99 Alamo Bowl” (I couldn’t get through typing that without laughing) stuff to me? I’ve never heard such a thing.
"I don't think you can progress in this game unless you know about the past."
-Silas Redd
oh boy is right
not quite like that…but someone had someone against a wall at one point
"my dad says Michigan used to be good"
Involved were two people and a wall
in no particular order.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
Ok, thanks
Sorry if I unwittingly touched a third rail. I was just wondering what the deal was, as I hadn’t heard that one (you can never hear them all) and was curious.
"I don't think you can progress in this game unless you know about the past."
-Silas Redd
There was an incident between KT and an asst coach (not Jay)
Jay mighta been present, I don’t know, I wasn’t.
It wasn’t a huge thing at the time…there was a tad bit of bottled frustration in December 1999.
"my dad says Michigan used to be good"
I'm convinced he'll take Fran Ganter's job when Joe leaves
I asked the same question to Dave Jones today in a chat and he said Jay doesn’t want to be AD, but agreed about the Ganter position.
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That would be the ultimate betrayal
To a man who has worked tirelessly behind the scenes to hold this program together.
You nailed this on the head! YES!
I didn’t appreciate the U.S. armed forces comments in relation to football. The comment section on that post is a flame war, if you haven’t read any of them. I feel like the rats are jumping off the boat.
Buckeye born, Nittany Lion by choice.
by nittanylines on Sep 22, 2011 4:22 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Wow, I read the article earlier today and didn't notice all of those comments
This is getting ugly.
by mundyscorner99 on Sep 22, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
The silliest part
A top tier football program’s QB coach wouldn’t have the time to spend 30-60 minutes writing an Op-Ed article during a game week. Let alone a QB coach + co-offensive coordinator. Let alone a QB coach for a team that purportedly is still trying to test drive the same two QBs that split time last year. Let alone anyone on the offensive staff when the offense is struggling so bad right before conference play is going to start.
I’ve never been one to run down JayPa or JoePa excessively, or to point to player and team performance as “proof” of an individual coach’s manifest failure. But the very fact that JayPa sat down and wrote this article is pretty solid evidence of his mentality regarding how time should be spent during a week before a football game.
PS – With a struggling offense at a program that, seemingly, was on the edge of making a good run before the season and now is at the precipice of despair, JayPa shouldn’t even have time to know what the Boston Red Sox are, let alone exactly how their playoff picture has been materializing over the last few weeks.
PPS – The comments to his article are awesomely virulent. I love me some vitriol.
Your comment is silly
There is a set amount of time that the kids can practice. I’m sure that this wasn’t written then.
Jay has duties to study tape of the opposition and formulate a game plan. I’m sure he’s spending a serious amount of time doing that. You can only communicate with recruits so much before it stretches beyond “just creepy” and into the violation zone.
Coaches can do whatever they want in their spare time. If anyone should be upset about him writing this article, it’s probably his wife, since this was probably written during the part of the day that they get to see each other.
You’re being ridiculous. It wouldn’t prove (or improve) anything if Jay foreswore all his hobbies and leisure activities while the team is struggling.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
by OctaShields on Sep 22, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
Agreed, for all the criticism that is due his way
everyone gets to take a few minutes off of their job each week, even the high profile/highly paid folks. It may be a form of stress release for him to write the column. It’s like criticizing a President (not any one in particular, they all do it) for getting in a round of golf and folks saying “He should be spending his time on jobs/economy/war/poor people” etc. No one works 24/7.
by PSU Mudder on Sep 22, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Most of us BSD staff guys have real jobs, too, ya know...
and more than one of us will be a father soon. Now THAT takes careful time management.
A Garden State Nittany Lion...
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by Mike Pettigano on Sep 22, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Fatherhood rocks...welcome to the club...however a word of advice

"Illegitimus non Carborundum!" (Don't let the bastards wear you down)
by RWReese on Sep 23, 2011 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I like how you qualified that it's "most" of you
WAY TO THROW ME UNDER THE BUS
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by Kyle_Martin on Sep 23, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ever wonder how a team is wearing championship T-shirts ten seconds after the buzzer?
It’s because the T-shirt company had them ready for BOTH teams. Likewise, I am confident Jay spends the off-season writing up various scenarios, to be used depending on how the season goes. "Let’s see, we won big — submit “Success with Honor, but we still pulverized the _.” article."
Or, "Oh, wait, just squeaked by an inferior opponent — better go with the “Any given team can beat any other team on any given Saturday.” write-up."
It’s the same thing when I have to report monthly financial results to my boss. I have three reasons: (1) Actual expenses exceeded budget. (2) Actual expenses underran budget. (3) Actual expenses met budget. I just cut-and-paste whichever phrase is appropriate for each line item. Simple, right?
This is how I have time to post on BSD.
Now, re-read all that with the sarcasm font turned on.
I'd like to have two Armies -- one for display, with lovely guns, tanks, little Soldiers, staffs, distinguished and doddering Generals and dear little regimental officers, who would be deeply concerned over their General's bowel movements or their Colonel's piles; an Army that would be shown for a modest fee on every fairground in the country.
The other would be the REAL ONE, composed entirely of young enthusiasts in camouflage uniforms, who would not be put on display but from whom impossible efforts would be demanded and to whom all sorts of tricks would be taught. That's the Army in which I should like to fight.
by PSU_Lions_84 on Sep 22, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Jay is a Red Sox fan
I don’t think anything else needs to be said
Also, I don’t recall Jay being a Red Sox fan ’99 or earlier, which makes him a bandwagon Red Sox fan, the worst kind. Wifey probably has a pink sawx jersey.
/singes knuckle hair and rapidly backpedals from the inferno
"my dad says Michigan used to be good"
by hbeach08 on Sep 22, 2011 4:40 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Yeah...
that was the best part of the article – a guy raised in central PA being a Sox fan. A little revolt against Dad? Is Joe a Yankees fan? Dodgers?
"I'll keep it short and sweet. Family. Religion. Friendship.
These are the three demons you must slay if you wish to succeed in business."
"You don't want to analyze it...you want to admire it!" - Play by play guy on O.J. McDuffie TD catch against Ga. Tech.
by Esteban d' Amur on Sep 22, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Gotta be the Dodgers
Even after the move, he could never be a Yankees fan, right?
by kijana's acl on Sep 22, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
You'd think...
"I'll keep it short and sweet. Family. Religion. Friendship.
These are the three demons you must slay if you wish to succeed in business."
"You don't want to analyze it...you want to admire it!" - Play by play guy on O.J. McDuffie TD catch against Ga. Tech.
by Esteban d' Amur on Sep 22, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
He respected the Yankees
and loved their professionalism and classic style. He’s cited attending a Yankees fan as a young kid for why he doesn’t like flash or names on the jerseys, etc.
I’m not sure if he was or is a fan of any team, though.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
JoePa was a Brooklyn fan
Of course, he missed the glory years for the most part because he was at Brown and then Penn State. He specifically wrote that the Dodgers should still be in Brooklyn in his autobiography.
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Oh no, you don't get to steal pink hat jokes.
That’s reserved for those of us that remember being able to go to a ton of games without hearing the girls around us talk about planning their sox outfits, trying to look cute while singing sweet caroline (during a crippling loss), and then leaving as soon as they are done singing. Those were the days when people actually knew that it was appropriate to be silently crushed during an opposing home run (instead of cheering because someone in the monster seats caught an opposing player’s home run).
Alright, I need to stop, for now. But be warned, bring it up at your own risk.
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by PSUinBOSSton on Sep 22, 2011 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I feel you man
Phillies games are going through very similar times. I kinda miss the Vet. Okay, I won’t go that far.
I feel both of you.
I am a lifelong Braves fan. The three of us have had some rather similar experiences I’m sure.
"my dad says Michigan used to be good"
oh jesus
i can’t stop laughing at these comments. say what you will but this is beyond entertaining.
We have little tranquility but tons of tranquilizers.
The comments are the ultimate 12-car pileup on the other side of the highway.
Traumatic, disgusting, and totally compelling. Oh, and THE MOST PREDICTABLE THING IN THE HISTORY OF PREDICTABLE THINGS. That’s what kills me about this. Hey, there’s something on fire over there, wonder what would happen if I dump 10 gallons of gasoline on it!
by Chris Grovich on Sep 22, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
honestly i think
jaypa wrote this article intentionally for his own amusement.
jaypa = god mode troll
We have little tranquility but tons of tranquilizers.
by mikeissurreal on Sep 22, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, horrible judgment
In refuting the arguments of the frothing masses, Jay has just legitimized them. They now know that he’s listening to them. This article hit the nail on the head.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
Absolutely...
They know they’re in his head.
"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
Well... sure.
OK. See, I was in the Corner Room yesterday morning…
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by Smee on Sep 23, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sheesh
1. I have a real hard time with the vitriol that some fans spew against coaches and expecially against student-athletes. At the end of the day we’re talking about a game and idiots who poison trees, and get in fights over which team is better, or try to castrate someone (happened in Texas to an OU fan or vice-versa) in a bar need counseling and also need to stop watching football and take up Curling as their spectator sport. Lighten the hell up…no one dies (knock on wood)…it’s a GAME.
2. Criticizing the coaches is one thing, and they should expect it. They are adults who work in high profile jobs and are compensated relatively to extremely well for their services. Just as in any profession, produce or look for new work. No one should treat coaches like they are some volunteer that you can’t fire and should expect mediocre results from because their services are a gift. You’re hired to produce wins while also operating within the established rules and realizing that you work for an institution that expects you to at least give a passing nod to the school’s primary responsibiity which is to assist in the education of the players you coach while also producing those “W’s”. However, making threats and voicing desires to inflict harm on coaches is WAY over the top.
3. If all someone has to worry about in life is the “W” column of their favorite college football team then I am forced to wonder what a dark and dreary place their life must be. Do we all get frustrated when our team isn’t winning the way we like or with the frequency we expect? You bet! For the most part I’m very happy to see on BSD people are temperate with their criticism of the coaching staff…mostly commenting that coach A or coach B might not be getting it done and it’s time to move on. That’s fine.
4. All that being said, a coach might want to think very carefully about responding to the vitriol. Firstly it serves no useful purpose since it will likely only fan the flames (deranged fans rarely go, “Oh…gee, I see your point! Gosh…sorry!”). Secondly you may be angering a person who relates just a little too much to watching Dexter (and rooting for Dexter’s victims) and put yourself or someone else in danger. It’s probably a small step from poisoning trees and buring a coach in effigy to taking more direct action. Lastly, as OctaShields says, it legitimizes them acknowledging them. Jay…just say, “No comment” and move on.
"Illegitimus non Carborundum!" (Don't let the bastards wear you down)
by RWReese on Sep 22, 2011 5:17 PM EDT reply actions 8 recs
(BTW..I'm completely embarrassed by
the typo of “eXpecially”. I’ve fired my proof-reader.)
"Illegitimus non Carborundum!" (Don't let the bastards wear you down)
Oh I'm sorry, did Jay suddenly become terrible?
Or did Michael Robinson just naturally develop from being a shitty passer coming out of High School to being one of the Big Ten’s best QB’s of the past decade?
Did Daryll Clark go from being a no-name player to being one of the Penn State’s most loved figures since joining the Big Ten all on his own, or did the 4 year development period he went through actually matter?
Was Zach Mills one of the nations top QB’s before his shoulder injury which completely killed his ability to throw, or was he not?
Has Rob Bolden stopped throwing off of his backfoot for every play? Is Rob beginning to use his feet more? Is Rob beginning to show more confidence throwing the ball or not?
I don’t care if the article Jay wrote was in poor taste, all the shit Jay gets is beyond believable, and mostly undeserved.
"We're going to do all we can to get this team right, to go after that national championship" - Devon Still
by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Sep 22, 2011 6:18 PM EDT reply actions 6 recs
Amen.
I loved the comment on the article that was something along the lines of “Clark, and Robinson over came your coaching which destroyed Morelli.” Yep I’m sure that’s how it went down.
Fact is at much as people hate to admit Jay has done a pretty good job.
Agree 100%
"We're going to do all we can to get this team right, to go after that national championship" - Devon Still
by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Sep 22, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm sorry too
but teaching a freak athlete to pass well enough to keep defenses honest? Telling RB to not throw off his back foot and use his feet more? That something most GAs can do. And while DC was really good, in better hands I believe he could have been great.
Most of the examples you gave above have caveats, and also ignore all of the blunders he’s made as a coach (not to mention recruiter)
EVERYTHING has caveats
everything you said has caveats as well, and rather than ignoring blunders, you’re ignoring good things. You can make an argument any way you like when you exclude evidence that may go against your thesis.
You say DC could have been better? Maybe. Maybe not. We don’t know whether he was as good as he was because of Jay’s coaching, or in spite of it. And saying one of those two things over the other is pure speculation and can’t be proven. What IS proven is that both MRob and DC were good QBs, and Jay was their QB coach. Period.
Fire Dan Snyder
by Cari Greene on Sep 23, 2011 8:04 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Alabama/Temple and Jay
Who on this site really expected to beat AL? I thought we had a chance to give them a game and after the first couple drives it looked as if we might. Say what you will about the Bama game but the 4th and 1 gift to AL was a dagger through the heart to a young squad. All in all though our D showed heart which they did not show last year in Tuscaloosa. That was a huge improvement The down side of the game was the Bolden/irishman saga. QB’s have fragile personalities and hate looking over their shoulder. Despite whatever plan the old man had going into the game the rest of the staff should have been on his ass about bringing Mc into the game. Bolden looked good and was moving the offense. I saw this and the majority of fans saw this. I would guess that Jay saw this too (as he is reportedly in the Bolden camp). If JoePa won’t make a decision on a QB, Jay needs to step up and realize he is probably the only one who is going to talk Joe into naming a full time starter. As fans we have a right to voice displeasure with poor coaching and behavior that is detrimental to the team. That said….we shouldn’t attack their character, family etc…….especially when we are on the same side. I was never a JayPa fan (and his love for the Red Sox does not help his case) but looking back to 05 he has been more than alright. MRob was Big10 player of the year….Clark was two time all-big 10 and Bolden shows promise. Do we all really forget how young he is? For now I am giving Jay a break. The season still has a long way to go and this PSU team can still be whipped into shape before we hit the heart of the schedule. EMU and Indiana before Iowa.
As for Temple……yeah the game sucked and it shouldn’t have come down to the D bailing us the O out but don’t forget we left at least 9 points on the field. Even during the PSU heydays of the 1980’s there were days that the O struggled with an inferior opponent and the D had to carry the day. People have short memories……but as a reminder…..during the National Championship season of 1986. PSU barely beat Maryland (17-15) who finished 5-5-1 in the ACC that year.
It was actually nice to see the D carry the O to victory in the Temple game. IF this unit continues to improve they could be very nasty by the end of the year!
I thought only safeties played 15 yards off the ball! Let's crack some nuts!
by pic15 on Sep 22, 2011 6:20 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I also think they should pick a qb, but I also don’t really think it’s the root of all the problems. I really would be surprised if they don’t name a starter after this week.
And let’s be honest if they picked a qb week one. Most of the people complaining about the two qbs, would be complaining they picked the wrong one.
I actually agree with everything Jay said
And I think in large part it comes down to how you interpret what he read.
I read it as two fold:
One its important to remember it’s just a sport and a game. And these kids have a lot going on in their lives most more important than what happens on Saturday.
Second everyone goes through tough times, either you pull together and ride it out till the good days again, or you jump ship and go to someone having a good time and hope it never gets rough.
Constructive criticism and analysis of the coaches and team is certainly warranted and more than welcome. But the disgusting hate and attacks that people have been writing the past few weeks have been beyond the pale. I’ve never been so disappointed and disgusted with the Penn State fanbase as I’ve been since after the 1st quarter in the Alabama game. It truly has been a disgrace.
This extends well beyond this site, which is normally a place for solid discussion but has slowly and slowly faded into the baseless attacks that are frequent at Pennlive and scout.
Jay is and has been an easy target for year’s being the coaches son. And while again some criticism maybe warranted most of it is baseless and completely absurd. Would people really be regularly railing against the QB coach if he wasn’t Joe’s son. I highly doubt it. Hardly anyone rips the offensive line coaches, most don’t even know their names. And arguably their results have been worse than that of Jay’s.
That being said should Jay’s post been written probably not. Or it atleast could have been framed around the team struggling currently and banding together to get better, instead of being directed toward the fan base.
My advice, we all love Penn State football. It last just 12 weekends of the fall. Enjoy each one, for what it is, a team of young men play their hearts out for their school and yes you the fans. Because we all know it’s a long wait for the Blue White game.
by psuwresfan on Sep 22, 2011 6:21 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Jay is and has been an easy target for year’s being the coaches son.
In one of his past articles, he referenced being in elementary school and having another kid taunt him because Penn State was doing bad, and that kid’s parents said Joe sucked. Now, the same thing is happening to Jay’s kids. This, to me, is beyond ridiculous—Jay made a choice, as an adult, to get into this profession. He didn’t as a kid, and his children certainly haven’t. Boundaries, people!
Fire Dan Snyder
by Cari Greene on Sep 22, 2011 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with a lot of your points.
Especially about verbal and internet attacks on one’s family…“leave the mother’s out of this!”
BUT, a couple things I disagree with…there is a lot of criticism of the o-line coaches, Bill Kenney and Dick Anderson, on this site. A lot.
And the “just a game” attitude doesn’t work for me personally.
"my dad says Michigan used to be good"
I would agree on this site there is a lot of criticism of the oline coaches. I was talking more about the Penn State internet and fan world in general.
I definitely lose sight of the just a game thing myself trust me. But when you’re writing some of the things people are writing in the comments of that article you need to really step back and reevaluate.
Not to mention, and you would certainly know better than me, but I would have to think the coaches are probably just as upset as any of us fans over how the offense has done so far. I feel like a lot of people want Joe to come out and say, you know, our qbs suck, and I’m having a hard time picking which one sucks less.
hbeach08 - who is to blame for the O Line not being very good for last decade?
Except for 05 and 08 they have not been great (pretty sure LJ’s year was in there also)
Hire Mike Pettine Jr!!!!!!!!
man, I can't put a finger on one thing
I’m not a fan of the two coach system though
call a spade a spade too…the oline meeting room might not be chock full of talent and athleticism too
"my dad says Michigan used to be good"
I actually thought that was a pretty good article
and needed to be said. Y’all I know that I take football VERY seriously, but I just can’t bring that kind of hatred to bear on the coaches and players (maybe the refs deserve it). I think Jay’s a pretty good op-ed writer, even if I don’t agree with him all of the time.
Those people commenting on his column just disgust me.
"It's never a bad thing thing to vote for the suckiness of tOSU." -RWReese
Follow @Paige2PSU
by Paige2PSU on Sep 22, 2011 6:32 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Whatever
Jay, you really shouldn’t be responding to this stuff. It makes it look like it’s really getting to you. If it is, you picked the wrong career. If it’s not, aren’t there other things to talk about?
On the other hand, Jay has some legit points, but if you’re the type of person who needs such points explained to you, you’re probably too stupid to get it anyway. It’s an exercise in futility, and kinda pointless.
"I play for Penn State, we don't celebrate after TDs." - Penn State's Derek Moye, on being asked to act like he's celebrating a TD during a BTN shoot.
However
I did rec this just for the mention of chess, albeit in the image
"I play for Penn State, we don't celebrate after TDs." - Penn State's Derek Moye, on being asked to act like he's celebrating a TD during a BTN shoot.
If he thinks the vitriol is bad now
Just wait until we only hang 17 on Eastern Motors.
Luring recruits with my new "Posting HD" scheme since '08.
On a pick six, a kickoff return
and two safeties (we’ll miss a PAT)
Being humorous, folks. We’ll score 24.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
by OctaShields on Sep 22, 2011 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Who the hell
installed a webcam by my computer?!?! You have no idea how many band-aids I go through in a web session!
"Illegitimus non Carborundum!" (Don't let the bastards wear you down)
I follow Jay on the Tweeter
And after I saw his twit after the Temple game, I nearly started typing a polite reply that requested we stop the QB rotation. Then I realized that no matter how polite I made it, I’d still be a douchebag because the last thing he needs is me and a few thousand other fans swamping him with advice, opinions, and especially insults. The internets give me unlimited access to these people, but it doesn’t mean I should take that as a green light to give them my unsolicited opinion. Calling him a knuckleheaded QB coach that is benefiting from nepotism on the message board of a blog is one thing. Sending him a direct email or tweet threatening to beat his useless ass if they call another out pattern that our QBs still clearly can’t NOT telegraph is another thing.
Luring recruits with my new "Posting HD" scheme since '08.
At least we don't try to find where our QB lives
so we can get our our children with spotless records to kick his ass.
OSU still sucks.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
Yell to the TV
it works and they actually do hear me.
"Illegitimus non Carborundum!" (Don't let the bastards wear you down)
jay should spend more time coaching
And less time writing articles. Maybe if he put as much effort into his game plan as he does writing articles which make him sound like a bawl baby, I would respect him a little more.
by rodney20 on Sep 22, 2011 11:26 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Yes I’m sure this brief op-ed took him weeks to write. People coaching like anything else isn’t a 24/7 job.
by psuwresfan on Sep 23, 2011 8:02 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wait, Jay went to one of his kids' sporting events?
Maybe if he put as much effort into being a coach as he does being a dad, we would be better on offense.
Fire Dan Snyder
by Cari Greene on Sep 23, 2011 8:05 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I heard he also gave his wife flowers once
Good grief, the 10 minutes he spent at Wegmans could have been better spent watching film. He better not be taking more than one dump a day, either.
by PSU Mudder on Sep 23, 2011 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
If he were a REAL coach
he’d HOLD IT for two days to maximize his toilet time.
"Illegitimus non Carborundum!" (Don't let the bastards wear you down)
by RWReese on Sep 23, 2011 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Recs all around!
"It's never a bad thing thing to vote for the suckiness of tOSU." -RWReese
Follow @Paige2PSU
Whatever happened to just saying:
We played lousy and we coached lousy. I’m not going to quit until we’re better.
I like Jay and all that, but I’ve been surprised by the amount of excuses/false optimism out of Joe this year, and now this.
Great post, and the last line is the best one: time to get back to work.
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
by spakajewia on Sep 23, 2011 9:14 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Jay Paterno
So the son of PSU’s head coach wants to be the Dr. Ruth of college football? I suspect Dr. Ruth had some first-hand experience before becoming the guru of sexual proclivities. What first-hand experience has the son of PSU’s head coach enjoyed before being elevated to the post of QB coach?
Perhaps the son of PSU’s head coach should direct his time and interest to the problems and confusion that beset his father’s team….. Could his mal-coaching of QB’s be a factor?
He should spend less time worrying about the fate of the Boston Red Sox and more time worrying about the fate of the 2011 PSU football team…..
If Jay’s true colors are blue and white, he should admit his failure as a QB coach and step-down ~~ then he’ll have more time to devote to the BoSox…..
I think JayPa wrote this drivel while sitting behind the mirrored windows of the press box during last week’s game vs.Temple….. He, his father and Galen Hall had to be doing something ~~ they certainly weren’t coaching!!!
Circular Troll Squad
And I’m calling you out, too, Chris Grovich….. If there’s a troll loose on this site, it’s you!!!
I suspect your use of the word “troll” does not refer to the trolls of Norse mythology ~~ but to current Internet slang, i.e., a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community…..
Posts such as mine, calling for the resignation or firing [which will never happen] of Jay Paterno for his continuing inability to coach college level QB’s is NOT inflammatory, NOT extraneous and NOT off-topic…..
Labeling me and others “trolls” for our postings IS inflammatory, IS extraneous, IS off-topic and IS insulting.
Whatever success you enjoy via Black Shoe Diaries is because of our posts…..
We want nothing more than a successful Penn State football team….. We are boosters, not trolls…..

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