OH, THIS SOLVES EVERYTHING.
Matt McGloin named Big Ten Co-Offensive Player Of The Week, with Michigan's Denard Robinson.
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This says more about the Big Ten in Week 4 than about Penn State.
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by J.Schnauzer on Sep 26, 2011 10:39 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
didnt nebraska's running back have like 200 yards on 15 carries?
maybe they forgot nebraska was in the big ten already
McGloin lit up a shitty defense?
That is shocking! Let me know when he beats a defense with a pulse.
I think Temple had a pulse
they may not be the best d in the nation (Bama), but they are pretty good.
Fire Dan Snyder
Fixed it for you
Let me know when he beats isn’t absurdly awful against a defense with a pulse.
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by Devon Edwards on Sep 26, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree that McGloin was absurdly awful against Florida
He should have been removed during that game. I guess, what I’m not seeing, is any difference between Bolden against Alabama (this year and last), Illinois, and Iowa vs. McGloin against OSU, MSU, and Alabama. Both QBs are terrible.
Seriously?
You don’t see a difference between 13/29 for 144 yards and 1/10 for 0 yards?
WHAT?
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by Devon Edwards on Sep 26, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
That was pretty clever of you
To ignore all the other games I mentioned.
Anyway, if the sole measuring stick is this year’s Alabama game, I agree with you. McGloin played poorly. Bolden played better, but still not well. My point, which is one Jesse. makes frequently, is that Bolden has never done anything against good teams either. He throws a ton of INTs against good teams, too. He consistently throws for less than a 50% completion rate.
McGloin is bad. So is Bolden.
I don't know that you can use "a ton of INTs" without applying it to McGloin
He applied for a trademark after the Florida game. He can sue you.
by kijana's acl on Sep 26, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder
what the record for most INTs in a game is? Because if the Florida defenders would have brought their hands to the game, he could have easily had 3 or 4 more.
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You could say the same about Bolden in the Alabama game this year
There was that ridiculous sequence where two almost INTs on two terrible throws were overturned on back-to-back plays.
2 <<<<< 8
I’m not saying that Bolden deserves to start, just that the game McGloin played against Florida was one of the worst games ever and that if the defenders caught balls that hit them in the hands/numbers, he would have had even more.
There were times I thought he was pulling a Neil O’Donnell and forgot what color jerseys he was supposed to throw to.
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by jman07 on Sep 26, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
If you're going to talk about interceptions that could have been,
2 of McGloin’s first 3 passes should have been Pick-6s….. en route to 1/10 for 0 yards. And they were thrown on the same route that tOSU got him on twice last year, so you can’t even say that he’s picking things up better.
If we’re going tit for tat, let’s do it right.
by psuwxman on Sep 26, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Alright, here goes nothing:
Tit: 145-264, 1748 yds, 6 TD, 10 INT
Tat: 152-269, 1967 yds, 17 TD, 9 INT
Just the stats, man. Eerily similarly depressing stats. Mediocre all around.
Shouldn't you change "Tit"
to “autograph” ?
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by PSU_Buch on Sep 26, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
If you're at work
DON’T google that!
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by SarcasmJam on Sep 26, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
How is this not green?!!
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I agree with you
They’re both not good. Thoroughly not good.
I just hate when people say “yeah but McGloin is clearly progressing because he hasn’t thrown a pick!” I don’t feel like that’s the case is all.
Can we mash them together?
I think if the two of them were combined, they could form one decent quarterback. Robthew McGolden.
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by jman07 on Sep 26, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
This this this.
I actually said that below about 2 seconds ago. Or maybe I didn’t. I was about to post it then didn’t for some reason.
HIVEMIND.
If you put Bolden's rocket of an arm on McGloin
This team would cruise through the Big Ten. Imagine if McGloin could actually complete some of the outs that he thinks he can.
It really looks like Bolden was a guy that needed a redshirt.
And we didn’t have that luxury.
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by PSUinBOSSton on Sep 26, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Here ya go.
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by Paige2PSU on Sep 26, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Ok, soooo
tell me which one is Chang, and which one is Eng?
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by BlueWhiteLife on Sep 26, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Is it any coincidence that,
if you mash the words “Chang” and “Eng” together, you get “changeng” — which is what the coaches keep doing to the QBs?
Sorry, guys, bad Monday.
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by PSU_Lions_84 on Sep 26, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting...
but it actually means ‘left’ and ‘right’
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by BlueWhiteLife on Sep 26, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Which is which?
From their perspective or ours?
"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.
"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."
by PSU_Lions_84 on Sep 26, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
hmmm
- not sure; but since most other things they/their parents did seemed logical and spot-on, I’d say from the siamese twins perspective.
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by BlueWhiteLife on Sep 26, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, not trying to say that.
I guess I’m just playing devil’s advocate on the other side, trying to refute "Bolden has a lot of potential and if we’d play him against good teams we have a better chance of winning. This would be a lot more fun if we were able to put forth a lot of good numbers showing why each guy is better, instead of why the other guy stinks.
Well if we're going to get even more technical,
Tit: 145-264, 1748 yds, 6 TD, 10 INT vs Youngstown State, Alabama, Kent State. Temple, Iowa, Illinois, and half of Minnesota.
Tat: 152-269, 1967 yds, 17 TD, 9 INT vs Michigan, Northwestern, Ohio State, Indiana, Michigan State, and Florida.
We can get even more technical we can get even more granular and see who faced a better defense on average, team by team, then average those together.
by misdreavus79 on Sep 26, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Am I reading this correctly?
Bolden threw more interceptions than McGloin last year?
And Bolden has thrown more interceptions than McGloin this year as well?!
That’s HERESY I tell you! (Or have the interwebs lied to me!)
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….and that the Florida game was last season.
by jesse. on Sep 26, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
No.
We’re too busy being a bunch of jackasses.
Hire Eastern Michigan's coach - whoever that is!
by ReadingRambler on Sep 26, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
Oh, it was last season?
Might as well have never happened then.
by kijana's acl on Sep 26, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
please don't ever leave us
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Kinda shoots that whole
“McGloin throws a more catchable ball” thing out of the water though… I expect that will turn around in 2 weeks.
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but...
he does throw a more catchable ball…
to the other team.
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by mikeissurreal on Sep 26, 2011 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
After re-reading my post
I suppose the “too” at the end of that sentence could actually behind interpreted in some other way, but I meant it to meant "[Bolden] throws a ton of INTs against good teams, [just like McGloin].
Now, I hope Matt will, like Baylor, agree to finally waive his right to sue.
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by Big Beefer on Sep 26, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That was the only game they both played in
How the hell else am I supposed to measure Bolden against McGloin? He, appallingly, never saw the field against Michigan State.
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by Devon Edwards on Sep 26, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
They both played
last Saturday.
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Against. Eastern. Effing. Michigan.
What do you think is a better indicator of an ability to play well in Big Ten games? Going 1/10 against Alabama, or going 14/17 against one of the worst teams in the country?
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by Devon Edwards on Sep 26, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Also,
you were responding to a post that didn’t mention the EMU game.
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by PSUinBOSSton on Sep 26, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
That too.
BTW, this is what ALABAMA STATE’s QB’s did against EMU:
21/34, 236, 1 TD, 0 INT.
They are, uh, how you say, awful.
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by Devon Edwards on Sep 26, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
They why didn't Bolden
light them up in the 1st quarter?
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I'm becoming convinced that Bolden
can’t amp himself up. He needs an outside event to get him riled up, and he plays better and is more focused when he’s pissed/up against a wall.
If this is the case
then have a random student punch him as soon as he steps off the bus.
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HAH
I’m actually really okay with this.
Better yet, some redheaded student who then says “O’DOYLE MCGLOIN RULES”
by psuwxman on Sep 26, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
rec'd.
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by Devon Edwards on Sep 26, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Playcalling, mostly.
It’s not as though he wasn’t solid—I think 6/8 in the first half, IIRC. But they were trying to mix in the run more and throw short.
On Bolden’s first three drives, he passed 8 times and Redd ran 6 times. On McGloin’s first 3 drives, the ratio was 7/2, and the passes were far more downfield. It’s not as though Bolden went 2/8, he made all the throws you could have asked.
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by Devon Edwards on Sep 26, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I remember looking at the 6/8
when I tuned in at the end of the first quarter and was confused that he only had something like 35 yards or some preposterous number.
It wasn't THAT bad
But some of the playcalling was ludicrous. Running a three-yard out on third and six from the eight was especially mind blowing. And it’s certainly not his fault Redd had 0 yards on two rushes sandwiching a 9-yard strike to Moye that resulted in a punt.
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by Devon Edwards on Sep 26, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Not to mention the false starts
for the life of me, I can’t figure out why the o-line plays like crap with Bolden in the game. There are more penalties, less run blocking, and more blown assignments on pass plays . Is it the cadence of his calls? How long they spend in the huddle?
I'm pretty convinced it's all about pace.
Bolden is slow. There’s a dramatic uptick in tempo as soon as McGloin comes in the game.
That’s not to say it’s not fixable.
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by Adam Collyer on Sep 26, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Steve Trachsel
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
I noticed Bolden was getting the offense out of the huddle faster against EMU.
At least from what I remember, it seemed like the offense was breaking the huddle before 20 sec. left on the play clock quite consistently with Bolden in. Which would be faster than previous games.
We've already documented that Bolden plays better when he's not looking over his shoulder
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Well, I'm pretty sure Bolden would've beat them too.
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by Devon Edwards on Sep 26, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
And I'm #TeamDon'tGiveACrapJustPickOne, for the record.
by Chris Grovich on Sep 26, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
I think both are mediocre enough that even if the staff picks one, they’ll be forced to pull them within a game or two. It’s a vicious cycle.
I remember the whole “if you have two quarterbacks, you don’t have any” being thrown around in ‘99. I thought it was silly then. I think it’s true this year.
Still seems preferable to the current system.
by Chris Grovich on Sep 26, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I actually think the current system is improving the QBs
Bolden played much better on Saturday after McGloin went in and executed. And I bet McGloin plays better and works harder knowing that he has a ton to prove every week.
But this horseshit can’t fly by the time we’re playing against a non-Indiana Big Ten team. You’ve got to stick with the starter until he craps the bed. The pre-arrangement of playing each guy has to end at some point and just let someone have the job until they lose it. I don’t care if it’s a short leash, but let someone have the job.
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
Agree
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by BlueWhiteLife on Sep 26, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
It's wild
Last year I had people addressing hate fanposts to me because I openly supported him. And that was last year. This year it’s on a whole new level.
Anyway, the flashlights eat our human power grids, our souls if you will. So i destroyed them, and if a few precious panties were burnt or soiled in the reckoning then so be it
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
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by Adam Collyer on Sep 26, 2011 10:52 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
mcgloin lit up the same defense that bolden played against.
Bolden can’t move the football on a consistent basis. Go with Mcgloin, because like people are saying ’ we run better plays with him.’
If I thought that picking McGloin wasn't waving the white flag for
Nebraska, O$U and any other team with a decent defense in 2012, then I’d be with you. Truly.
by kijana's acl on Sep 26, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I just don't know what else the guy needs to do.
He gets it done in the redzone where Boldens drives always stall( last year and this year). I want Bolden to be the guys for the sake of our future, but he just doesn’t score in the redzone. When he comes in, i just get the feeling we’re gonna go 3 and out.
That drive against Temple sure stalled last week.
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by Devon Edwards on Sep 26, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
HAHAHAHA
That’s great.
“Well, he still had to complete a pressure throw that basically decided the game.”
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by Devon Edwards on Sep 26, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I literally wish I had any clue what the hell you were talking about.
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by Devon Edwards on Sep 26, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
when you watch the game, you look
for reasons why Bolden is good. you also look for reasons why Mcgloin sucks. Its called confirmation bias. i wish you knew what i was talking about too.
yes, but i'd like to know
in what world converting on fourth down is a negative.
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by Devon Edwards on Sep 26, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
im not saying its a negative. He stuck that pass between 2 defenders.
I just wish he could have done it without needing that 4th down. Bolden may have better mechanics or potential but he doesn’t move the ball down the field very well. He stalls in the redzone and that sucks.
What the guy needs to do?
How about not throw 5 INTs in a game or go 1-10 for 0 yards against Alabama. Think about that for a minute. He completed one more pass than I did against Alabama.
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by jman07 on Sep 26, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Do you go with
more experience or more potential? And his experience is one year. It’s really not that big of a diference. Neither option is good.
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I don't buy that Bolden has more potential than McGloin.
I certainly haven’t seen that manifested on a field on Saturday. Other than the walk on thing, which I don’t think is relevant to the discussion at all.
It isn't relevant
I guess by upside I mean an NFL arm. But an NFL arm doesn’t a good quarterback make. Look at QB14.
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at this point i dont think either one has potential
the only separation on the “potential scale” is that McGloin has been here 2 years longer than Bolden, is 22 and should doing this against bad MAC teams. Maybe the belief is Bolden has more potential in that he’s younger, i dont know.
Potential doesn't manifest itself immediately
That’s why it’s potential. Seriously.
by kijana's acl on Sep 26, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
How about the "one's been in the program for much longer" thing?
The problem with this entire argument is that we’re expecting Bolden to make miracles, while we give McGloin a much longer leash BECAUSE he is/was a walk-on.
by misdreavus79 on Sep 26, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
So he's no Tony Sacca?
I guess there is no shame in that. Tony was a pretty good football player. Who sucked his first year, and was pretty clearly going to be very good by the end of his second.
Honestly, I don’t expect miracles from Bolden, just like I don’t expect them from any sophomore. However, I expect most sophomores to be on the bench, especially when there is a guy who is more experienced and has a better handle on the offense playing the same position.
That’s not me having faulty expectations, it’s me expecting he’ll learn to play his position running the second team until he’s better than the other guy.
Here is where your argument breaks down.
1. You ignore everything that McGloin did or does well. He clearly played better than Bolden this week. He has improved on throwing interceptions. The offense moves faster when he is on the field and in all games, save Alabama, when he came in the game the team scored. I mean, he played well in the first half against Ohio State, better than any other quarterback that Penn State ever took to Ohio Stadium. But Bolden’s got all the potential, right?
2. You don’t cite to anything Bolden does particularly well. And it’s not just you. The arguments are always about upside, and the great plays he would have made if the coaches would just bench McGloin and let him play full time.
by jesse. on Sep 26, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
I'm past defending Bolden
He clearly hasn’t taken control of the team. I don’t know what the solution is. I honestly couldn’t tell you. I’ve said it before, McGloin has much better touch on the ball than Bolden does. I just don’t see us beating good/great defenses with McGloin. On the other hand, I don’t actually see us beating those teams with Bolden either.
If there was ever a case of damned if you do, damned if you don’t, well this is it.
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by jman07 on Sep 26, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Where McGloin is better right now
is that he throws the ball up and floats it into a spot where the receiver can make a play. There are a lot of times that it is a wise move and we move the ball because of it. Those times are when our receivers are the clearly superior athletes. The problem is that defenses whose secondaries are as big and athletic as our WRs have just as much of a chance at those balls.
In McGloin’s defense he cut down on those throws this year against Alabama . . . and could only complete one pass for 0 yards. He was physically incapable of getting the ball into the window on slants and outs before the CB shut it on him. Bolden can get them in there, but he isn’t reading through his progressions when that pass isn’t there. He is improving at it, but very, very slowly.
The bottom line for either is if we can’t run the ball against EMU, then we can’t win against real teams.
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by PSUinBOSSton on Sep 26, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
This
My admittedly mixed analogy goes something like this: McGloin is the classic AAAA player. Good enough to beat up on the never will be(s), but not good enough for the big show. Bolden isn’t better and may never be, but he was forced to play in the majors when he probably should have been beating up on AA talent. I don’t know if most McGloin supporters like McGloin or are just holding Bolden’s learning curve against him.
by kijana's acl on Sep 26, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
my confusion is as to what this game actually proves
McGloin played very well this week for sure, but its not like Bolden was 3/14 with no TDs and 4 picks. McGloin did well but not enough for me to forget that Bolden led PSU to a TD in the 4th against Temple. Bolden played far better than McGloin against Bama than McGloin did this past week in comparison to Bolden.
If the argument is who played better this past week, then yea i say McGloin. But if you are using this performance against EMU as the sole reasoning he should take the reins full time, I dont understand how that works?
by swiggy04 on Sep 26, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
McGloing clearly runs this offense more smoothly, and they play a lot more loose.
But frankly, he’s not doing anything different from last year from what I’ve seen. Sure, he’s been great against ghastly defenses. But we know where this path leads against any decent defense.
I’ll take Bolden throwing 2 picks against a good defense rather than McGloin throwing 3 or 4 or 5. That’s just my opinion.
You forgot Shorty Miller's 1912 game.
Other than that, yeah.
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by ReadingRambler on Sep 26, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Good for him!
Do I think he is the long-term answer at QB, no, BUT let’s be happy for him and for some positive recognition for our offense finally, instead of being a punchiline on tWWL
I just hope Jones is really that good...I don't see with current option as a good one
Hire Mike Pettine Jr!!!!!!!!
I’ve heard good things through the grapevine. It’s really just a shame he couldn’t get his academics in order. But I do think with the current options he’s likely going to have quite a fanbase by mid November.
Anyway, the flashlights eat our human power grids, our souls if you will. So i destroyed them, and if a few precious panties were burnt or soiled in the reckoning then so be it
Next year he’ll also have had two years in this system so I like to think of PJ (whose camp I’ve been in all along) as a sleeping giant.
Run.
by Bob Sacamano on Sep 26, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I think this is the opposite of blue kool-aid
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by newenglandnittanylion on Sep 26, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
The Big Ten makes a pretty convincing argument
• Completed 82 percent of his passes in leading Penn State to a win over Eastern Michigan
• Was 14-of-17 for 220 yards and three touchdowns after entering the game early in the second quarter
• Entered the game with a 3-0 lead and left the game in the third quarter with a 31-0 advantage
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by newenglandnittanylion on Sep 26, 2011 11:25 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Could be worse. At least it's not "High Octane"
It's funny because it's Pitt
by Spats on Sep 26, 2011 11:27 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Clearly
The answer is for the coaching staff to pull up the defensive stats for each team prior to the game and start Bolden if it’s a good defense and McGloin if it’s a bad one.
Here's an interesting tidbit!
The defensive player of the week is a 717 guy!!! How’d we miss on this guy 4-5 years ago?
Defensive Player of the Week
Tom Nardo, Iowa
Sr., DL, Lancaster, Pa./Catholic
• Finished with a career-high 12 tackles in helping Iowa defeat visiting Louisiana-Monroe on Saturday
• Totaled six solo tackles and six assisted stops
• Also finished with two tackles for loss, including a half sack
• Wins his first career Big Ten Player of the Week honor
• Last Iowa Defensive Player of the Week: Shaun Prater (Nov. 1, 2010)
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by Chris Grovich on Sep 26, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Let me guess, the press release said
Offensive Player of the Week:
Matt McGloin OR Denard Robinson
by swiggy04 on Sep 26, 2011 11:39 AM EDT reply actions 9 recs
who
exactly do we play that plays good defense? As far as i can tell by watching the games the first 3 weeks, hardly anyone even plays defense anymore.
We Are!!!!!!
I'm going to throw something out there.
I think maybe they aren’t rotating them enough. I think we should switch it up every PLAY. Then, when they get used to that, no QB comes out. I’m not suggesting McGreggor/Venuto, nor the wildcat, nor the 11 LB option. Instead, no one comes out with the offense. The ten guys huddle up like there is a QB with them calling a play, go to the line, and snap the ball. What happens from there is anyone’s guess.
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by PSUinBOSSton on Sep 26, 2011 12:22 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
THE ANNEXATION OF PUERTO RICO!!!
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by jman07 on Sep 26, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm surprised Special Teams Player of the Week didn't go to Anthony Fera.
62 yards per kickoff
50 yards per punt
1 FG, 4 PATs
What more does he have to do?
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Has he ever played QB?
"I don’t know what he’s done differently, whether he’s eating differently or Sue is making him happier, but he’s definitely a different coach out there" Devon Still
I'd like to see him kick off better.....
what the heck was he doing saturday??? He was just short of topping the ball.
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by DerryPharmer on Sep 26, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I wondered about that too
Not characteristic of his kickoffs at all. Was he told to do this for some reason, or did he just derp two of his kicks?
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You know, most of the people in this thread are being complete and utter unreasonable douchebags.
That’s all.
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by ReadingRambler on Sep 26, 2011 12:51 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
I count a handful of comments where people seem to be getting upset
but it’s been mostly civil. This strikes me as the most obnoxious comment on the entire thread.
People act like McGloin ran over their dog.
There’s a line between reasonable criticism and unreasonable, douchey sarcasm. That line is crossed far too much.
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by ReadingRambler on Sep 26, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Worried that people are going after your market?
by kijana's acl on Sep 26, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Who do you think you are? No, better, where do you think you are?
I think this is what people mean when they complain about this blog “becoming like PennLive”.
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by ReadingRambler on Sep 26, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I find it funny that you think that you are an arbiter of taste
Weren’t you banned recently?
by kijana's acl on Sep 26, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Kijana's ACl meet straw man.
Whatever. Rambler isn’t alone in his opinion. I sometimes wonder if everybody remembers that we’re talking about 18-22 year olds playing a goddamned game.
by mushdamma on Sep 26, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Not sure how I misrepresented his position
I just pointed out that it was a matter of the pot and the kettle, yadda, yadda … tedious ….
by kijana's acl on Sep 26, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
What you essentially “pointed out” was that my mistake somehow justifies your continuing to act like a petulant child because the quarterback you irrationally spew hate for (Hate, not dislike) is, seemingly, the most effective quarterback we have.
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by ReadingRambler on Sep 26, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Rambler was banned?
What the heck happened there?
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He called Chris or Mike a couple of names in jest,
but I guess it was a little over the top. He got a weekend to cool down.
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Apparently, someone didn’t recognize the “line between reasonable criticism and unreasonable, douchey sarcasm.”
by kijana's acl on Sep 26, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Judging by your reaction to McGloin’s award, it’s no surprise that you think I, too, am incapable of changing for the better.
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by ReadingRambler on Sep 26, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Now, now
I hope McGloin is better. I don’t see how beating up on EMU proves that, but I truly hope that one of these guys takes the job and succeeds.
I’ll believe that you’ve changed when you stop the name calling that you accuse others of engaging in. Not holding my breath.
by kijana's acl on Sep 26, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
The burden of proof is on you.
Cite the name-calling. And don’t go back to what caused my banning either.
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by ReadingRambler on Sep 26, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
My mouse and browser allow me to scroll down and UP the page
yours?
by kijana's acl on Sep 26, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I stand by my opinion that people were acting like jackasses here.
I don’t consider that name-calling. I consider it a use of a descriptive phrase that adequately describes the way people were acting here – like completely irrational jackasses.
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by ReadingRambler on Sep 26, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank you for making my point
repeatedly.
So long as you are “right”, you will never change or relent. I don’t want you to. I like the guy on the corner with the tin foil hat; he adds color to my commute.
by kijana's acl on Sep 26, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Once again, the burden of proof is on you.
You refuse to argue with my point that people here were acting like jackasses. And, now, without any attempt to offer proof, you assert that I never change or admit that I am wrong.
Just because we’re two anonymous posters on a blog doesn’t mean you shouldn’t at least try to prove assertions about someone else’s character.
David Taylor for starting quarterback.
Beat Indiana.
by ReadingRambler on Sep 26, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm done
I’ve already said that I was wrong to call McGloin harmless nicknames. You are a “person” who will accept nothing less than complete subjugation and I’m not interested. Go be right with someone else while not calling them a child or jackass for daring to disagree with you.
by kijana's acl on Sep 26, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wrote this line of comments before I read your post apologizing for the use of said nicknames.
Moreover, this particular comment, so far as I can tell, has very little to do with anything I said in the previous line of comments. I stated that I was tired of people accusing me of not changing without offering proof. What that has to do with your apology I do not know.
David Taylor for starting quarterback.
Beat Indiana.
by ReadingRambler on Sep 26, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I acknowledged that there were "a handful of comments" that were uncivil
I think your criticism is hyperbolic. As someone who is always quick to jump on people for exaggerating the extent of this program’s problems, you should be mindful not to exaggerate the extent of this board’s douchiness.
Fine, maybe there's "a handful of comments" here alone.
How many hundreds (Thousands? We do post a lot here.) of such comments do we have to read before we recognize that it’s become completely absurd.
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by ReadingRambler on Sep 26, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I beg your pardon.....
You people aren’t even discussing McGregor’s nifty handoffs at the end of the game….for shame! And he didn’t come close to an interception.
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by DerryPharmer on Sep 26, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
#TeamVenuto
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by PSUinBOSSton on Sep 26, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously,
sucess on his first throw, give him another. Completes that, earns another. Ride it til it fails.
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by PSUinBOSSton on Sep 26, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why yes, I'll take a side of wrestling threadjack please!
Wresfan, what do you make of some of these mat-room reports? Excluding the hyperbolicly silly ones about Martellotti & McIntosh taking Ruth & Q down 8 out of 10 times?
Cowburn in that brutal mix at 157 now? Matt Brown arriving and kicking some mat room ass? Some fun stuff in there. Can I get your weigh-in pls? Thx.
weigh-in no pun intended I assume haha.
I think you should be careful what you read on the message boards. Brown was supposed to be a pretty good wrestler, and at 22 he should be pretty mature physically at this point, so it wouldn’t surprise me if he shocked a few people at 157 this year.
Cowburn getting certified at 157 really surprises me, and I’m not sure I’ll believe it till the program says it. Also important to remember just because he certified there doesn’t necessarily mean he’ll wrestle there. And quite honestly I’d still say he has a fight on his hands against English and Dylan Alton especially if he has to suck down. Don’t forget what happened to Dylan trying to wrestle off at 141 last year. I’m also concerned the hype around Cowburn is getting a bit out of hand. He was a talented high school wrestler, but we haven’t really seen what he can do yet against good college competition. Doing well in open tournaments is great but those by and large are other freshman wrestlers, or non starters from other teams. I certainly hope and expect he will do well, but I don’t think he’s the next David Taylor(which isn’t saying much since that kid is pretty rare).
Wait
- I thought the ruling is that the wt. at which you’re certified is the lowest wt. class you can wrestle???
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by BlueWhiteLife on Sep 26, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
It is
But just because you certified there doesn’t mean you’ll wrestle there. A guy could certify at 157 and still wrestle at 165 or 174.
Sometimes just because you can physically make a weight doesn’t mean it’s the best option.
You're right of course
About the boards. Just hungry is all. Man, I can’t wait to see some of these wrestle-offs. The ‘on-paper’ shit is not cutting it, even tho it’s all we have in the offseason.
His name is Dirk Cowburn and he is from Coudersport.
Hence he will win three national championships – at 125, 157, and heavyweight.
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by ReadingRambler on Sep 26, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I am not completly against both playing a lot
in the first 5 games. I have little confidence that once we finally settle on a starter they will/can stay healthy for long. Bolden seems like he is one step away from having his head ripped off every time he runs. And to their credit, both QBs have been standing tall in the pocket and taking some big shots. I am not sure that either can get through the Big 10 schedule unscathed.
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by skellerdweller on Sep 26, 2011 12:52 PM EDT reply actions
Here are my thoughts:
Congratulations Matt McGloin!
by CvilleLion on Sep 26, 2011 1:02 PM EDT reply actions 15 recs
I second that!
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Why do people...
talk about McGloin like he ran over their dog? McGloin and Bolden seem to be handling this much better than the fanbase or the coaches.
Bolden is the classic game manager. He’d be much better if the team could run the ball worth a lick.
McGloin is high risk high reward. Everyone likes to rip McGloin for tO$U and Fla., but he’s also a big part of the reason PSU was in both those games.
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by Esteban d' Amur on Sep 26, 2011 1:14 PM EDT reply actions
maybe Ohio State
but he is 100% the reason we lost to Florida. I’m not sure if they had one TD drive of more than 30 yards that day because of McGloin’s interceptions.
They don't score...
24 points with the Rob Bolden I’ve seen the last year or so.
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These are the three demons you must slay if you wish to succeed in business."
"You don't want to analyze it...you want to admire it!" - Play by play guy on O.J. McDuffie TD catch against Ga. Tech.
by Esteban d' Amur on Sep 26, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
thats speculation
based on what i saw/remember from that game, what actually happened, Matt McGloin is the sole reason for that loss. When I have time I will look up Florida’s scoring drives, but aside from the blocked kick and maybe onbe FG, i think all of their TDs were either returned INTS or started inside Penn State’s 25 yard line as a direct result of his INTs
I have a hard..
time thinking Bolden doesn’t get out of that game without a couple of turnovers. Florida sat on PSU’s routes (all three of them) like OSU does.
"I'll keep it short and sweet. Family. Religion. Friendship.
These are the three demons you must slay if you wish to succeed in business."
"You don't want to analyze it...you want to admire it!" - Play by play guy on O.J. McDuffie TD catch against Ga. Tech.
by Esteban d' Amur on Sep 26, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
again that may be true but its speculation
which there is far too much of in this debate. I dont have any idea what bolden could or would have done against Florida because he didnt get in. I do, however, know from watching that Matt McGloin lost that game. Saying he’s the reason we were in it is like saying someone saved your life cause when they ran the red light and hit you with the car, they did it on the passenger side.
I guess those..
24 points magically appeared.
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These are the three demons you must slay if you wish to succeed in business."
"You don't want to analyze it...you want to admire it!" - Play by play guy on O.J. McDuffie TD catch against Ga. Tech.
by Esteban d' Amur on Sep 26, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
ok you said hes the reason we were IN the game
I’m arguing he’s the reason we lost it. your argument that he played well enough in that game for us to win it is hindered almost exclusively by the fact that he most definitely did play bad enough for us to lose it.
To give him credit for 24 points in a game he single-handedly lost is to look at the game as a McGloin apologist and nothing more.
I'm not agologizing..
for him. He did plenty bad in that game, but he did do good as well.
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These are the three demons you must slay if you wish to succeed in business."
"You don't want to analyze it...you want to admire it!" - Play by play guy on O.J. McDuffie TD catch against Ga. Tech.
by Esteban d' Amur on Sep 26, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Took the ten-year old son to the Outback Bowl
He had wanted to go to a Bowl game for a few years and Ray James is my favorite kid-friendly stadium in the country. It was two 7-5 teams folks. It was a beautiful day, great atmosphere, everybody having a good time. We went up 7-0. Then we’re behind 7-14. Then we’re up 17-14 and it’s half. Then we’re tied at 17. Then we’re up 24 – 17. Then we’re up 24-20 and it’s the fourth quarter. Then we’re behind 24-27 and then 24-30. Then we’re getting started on the game-winning drive and throw a pick-six to lose 24-37. It was a good game between two 7-5 teams who looked like they had a month off. My son and I had fun as did alot of other fans. And it sure as heck beat watching the offense operate during every game Bolden QB’d earlier that year.
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by Smee on Sep 26, 2011 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
My experience was basically the exact opposite
I sat in a shitty bar with shitty food and cursed at the TV, having little to no fun the entire time, feeling frustrated and wishing the things that were happening would no longer be happening. I longed for the days of Bolden.
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by OctaShields on Sep 26, 2011 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I don't quite get the point.
You name a bunch of generic game factors, including the weather and your family, that make me think you are going to focus on the enjoyment of the game and that we should all stop taking this too seriously. Then you use that as support for the QB that played? It doesn’t make sense. I’m glad as hell your boy had a great day, and you are a great father to take him and share it with him. But as far as the game the only conclusion I can draw is that you like to see high scoring affairs and the “event” of attending the game. That is all absolutely valid, but it has nothing to do with the QB the would give the team the best chance. If you are saying McGloin QBs a more exciting game to watch casually, I’m not sure anyone will argue with you.
On that day, we played a team that scored points 7 times, and their offense had to move the ball an average of under 21 yards per scoring drive. Less than 21. A long offensive drive of 53 yards. On a field goal.
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by PSUinBOSSton on Sep 26, 2011 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I was going to respond
“if you take out the ‘we’ references, that literally could have been written by a Florida fan”
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by OctaShields on Sep 26, 2011 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
maybe not, but
Florida wouldn’t have scored at least 14 of their points without McGloin.
Fire Dan Snyder
2011 Outback Bowl Stats 4 McGloin
17 for 41, 211 yards, 1 TD passing, 1 TD rushing, 5 INTs.
The stats speak for themselves. I don’t need a QB rating to interpret them.
"You can't handle the truth!"
ESPN's QBR stat for this one says
NOOOOOOOOO
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
Take away the INTs
and he is still under 50%. He did not have a good game. That being said IMO McGloin has been the better QB this season-albeit by a small margin.
"You can't handle the truth!"
People are very concerned with who has been better
as opposed to who will be better.
Matt McGloin is Calvin Pickering – if you only ever went to spring training or AAA games, you’d think he was one of the best power hitters in baseball. His career AAA #s are 131 HR in 2034 AB with a batting average over .290. That would be a pace of about 32 HR per 500 AB.
When Calvin Pickering faced major league level pitching, he hit .223 with 14 HR in 264 AB. He bounced around from team to team and never played a full season – mostly because he wasn’t good enough and struck out in about 30% of his plate appearances against the highest level.
This is why I believe the stats being commonly cited for McGloin are at best not applicable and at worst misleading.
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by OctaShields on Sep 26, 2011 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Because "who will be better" is entirely subjective.
Yeah, Bolden could be better, but he certainly hasn’t demonstrated that. If he has, he’s done so with no more regularity than his competition.
I’m not sure how much I buy that giving Bolden playing time now makes him a better QB later. Plenty of QBs learned a lot while running the 2nd team, including guys like Daryll Clark. My concern isn’t with Bolden’s development (which can happen with or without playing time). My concern is that by continuing to switch QBs, we just take the offense completely out of rhythm and haven’t given either guy a chance to be particularly successful.
This is overwhelmingly frustrating mostly because Joe Paterno NEVER does this. Nearly 99% of the time he makes a decision and sticks to it, and screw the rest of you doubters. Anthony Morelli over Daryll Clark. Zack Mills over Michael Robinson. Blackledge over Hostetler. I can think of 3 times he’s done this, and they’ve basically all turned out mediocre – Tony Sacca/Tom Bill, Casey/Thompson, and now. What is it about these kids that means that making a decision, even an arbitrary one, so difficult?
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by Adam Collyer on Sep 26, 2011 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
It comes from both sides.
At the same time there are people saying (1) McGloin can’t throw anything but pick-6s and; (2) Bolden doesn’t do anything well/better than McGloin.
Clearly, neither is true. People have their heals dug in and don’t want to be wrong.
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by PSUinBOSSton on Sep 26, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I sort of doubt that.
I think the coaches see what very few fans are acknowledging. Neither is very good, and over the entire course of a season are not appreciably different.
If one QB were actually that much better and gave us a better chance to win, he would play.
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by PSUinBOSSton on Sep 26, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't see the venom
towards Bolden that I see with McGloin.
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These are the three demons you must slay if you wish to succeed in business."
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by Esteban d' Amur on Sep 26, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't do much here but completely disagree.
I think both are getting exactly the same treatment from different portions of the fans. I wonder if you perhaps pay closer attention to McGloin criticim? Or, in the alternative, read one of the Jay Paterno hating boards that probably blame Jay for Bolden’s shortcomings instead of Bolden himself?
Because around here, they are both getting hammered unfairly.
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by PSUinBOSSton on Sep 26, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
You are correct sir!
Each QB runs a different offense that is supposed to play toward their strengths and away from their weaknesses….unfairly criticized or not, someone has to be accountable.
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by DerryPharmer on Sep 26, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Absolutely.
And you don’t get play this wildly mediocre without some blame being shared. Both are not getting it done on their own, and the coaches are not particularly putting them in a position to succeed.
While we’re at it, the offensive line is not doing its job that would enable us to lean on the run game. Go figure.
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by PSUinBOSSton on Sep 26, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
McGloin...
is called McDerp, McFavre, etc. Bolden is just called not good.
I pay attention to criticism of them both. The both deserve it.
I read no other PSU related blog, board, etc. other than BSD.
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by Esteban d' Amur on Sep 26, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea I don't really agree with the names
"I don’t know what he’s done differently, whether he’s eating differently or Sue is making him happier, but he’s definitely a different coach out there" Devon Still
Why on earth does this matter?
Do you think either guy is reading this? That the coaches are reading this and it impacts their decisions? Please. It’s venting and, frankly, McDerp or little red are hardly traumatizing nicknames.
by kijana's acl on Sep 26, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Frankly the name calling...
says more about the author than the target.
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These are the three demons you must slay if you wish to succeed in business."
"You don't want to analyze it...you want to admire it!" - Play by play guy on O.J. McDuffie TD catch against Ga. Tech.
by Esteban d' Amur on Sep 26, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Questions...
No, they aren’t reading it. No the coaches aren’t reading it (though Jay might since he seems sensitive to the criticism). I think the merits, or lack thereof, of Bolden and McGloin can be discussed without name calling.
"I'll keep it short and sweet. Family. Religion. Friendship.
These are the three demons you must slay if you wish to succeed in business."
"You don't want to analyze it...you want to admire it!" - Play by play guy on O.J. McDuffie TD catch against Ga. Tech.
by Esteban d' Amur on Sep 26, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with that.
It will certainly stop on my end.
by kijana's acl on Sep 26, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
Hey, look at that
A concession. On the internet.
This is not that hard, people.
(kudos to kacl for this one)
by jtothep on Sep 26, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Unfortunately......
I don’t think we ALL can.
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by skellerdweller on Sep 26, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
McDerp is like calling an overweight classmate whom annoys you "Fatty"
Please don’t pretend that it’s not idiotic and childish name-calling. It’s mindless; I highly doubt those who use such terms are really setting themselves up for an objective analysis of the situation.
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by ReadingRambler on Sep 26, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, I do think the players read this and all the other crap online
"Rabble rabble rabble; fire Joe; snarky meme; rude nickname; rabble rabble rabble
Well that's what we get for teaching them to read...
One more lesson we can learn from the SEC schools.
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by SubLime on Sep 26, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
The "Mc" names really lend themselves to adjustment and, in my opinion,
I agree with you that I find them rather distasteful. But it isn’t any worse than saying Bolden “can’t do anything well”. A claim I constantly hear made. And, pretty much the worse thing you can say about anyone in any context.
Doesn’t do ANYTHING well? Really?
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by PSUinBOSSton on Sep 26, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Right
This is very selective reading of this site to suggest that Bolden isn’t criticized heavily.
by kijana's acl on Sep 26, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I haven't said..
Bolden isn’t criticized.
"I'll keep it short and sweet. Family. Religion. Friendship.
These are the three demons you must slay if you wish to succeed in business."
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by Esteban d' Amur on Sep 26, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
No one here has ever said Bolden isn't criticised.
What people are getting annoyed with is the completely absurd and, yes, insulting treatment McGloin gets because he threw several bad interceptions.
The last two years are quite depressing for anyone who evaluates the fanbase’s reactions. Note use of “reactions” instead of “responses”.
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by ReadingRambler on Sep 26, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
i think the names for McGloin have mostly to do with the fact that
his name is easy to do that do.
Derpen doesnt really make sense or look aesthetically pleasing. He’s just unfortunately named. I knew a guy in college named Dick Masters. we had a lot more nicknames for him than we had for Paul Smith.
Agreed.
If he were winning all our games but throwing a few wild picks here and there, the McFavre thing would be considered a compliment. Or he might get called McHero if he led tons of late winning drives. But Bolden wouldn’t be called Heroen. It’s distasteful and unnecessary, but I don’t think it comes from a place of higher hatred than just calling him crappy does.
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by PSUinBOSSton on Sep 26, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
That's not why they happen.
People use those nicknames, at a deep level, because it renders him “lower” than them – easier to mock, easier to dismiss, etc. That’s the purpose of all name-calling. Yes, sometimes something like “McFarve” is meant to be humorous, but the line was crossed a long time ago – probably after the Ohio State or Florida game.
Matt McGloin is not unfortunately named. He’s not like the star Iowa women’s basketball player who was named Fonda Dicks by her “humorous” parents. No, people make unfortunate decisions because it’s easy to be irrational about football players as football is an emotional sports.
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by ReadingRambler on Sep 26, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just FYI,
anytime in the past when I have used “McFavre” it was meant as a complete compliment. Out of respect for the blogging “code” I have long since ceased. But if all the kid ever did was imitate Brett Favre (on the field) as a fan I would be absolutely fine with that.
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oh stop
its 100% why it happens. If it had nothing to do with his name, it wouldnt be modeled after his name. I can’t in the least bit make some claim that McGloin has nicknames which describe the level of his play to date ONLY because the people who dislike him feel the need to use nicknames and Bolden doesnt ONLY because the people who dislike him are too cultured to lower themselves to that level. If McGloin’s name was Joe Smith, no one would call him McDerp.
Matt McGloin was not called “McDerp” because his name is Matt McGloin. He was called “McDerp” because some Penn State fans don’t like him. His name is the opportunity, it is not the reason.
David Taylor for starting quarterback.
Beat Indiana.
by ReadingRambler on Sep 26, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
ok i mean this is the silliest argument Ive ever had
If his name was not McGloin he would not be called McDerp. It would make no sense in the realm of name calling to refer to someone who does not have Mc in front of their last name as “Mc”-anything. I maintain that if the man’s name were Joe Smith, absolutely unequivocally zero people would call him McFavre or McDerp.
If Bolden’s name leant itself to an easily created alter ego that correctly portrayed his level of play to date, he’d have one too, and it has nothing to do with anyone liking him more or less. McGloin has the unfortunate hand dealt to him, in the debate of which quarterback sucks less, of having a last name that is easily molded into a myriad of combinations to express the perceived level of his play.
I cant imagine anyone here has the hubris to use one of these names because they think its going to make him play worse or because they think its going to hurt Matt McGloin’s feelings somehow or because they think it will end the discussion over who sucks less. to suggest everyone who uses the nickname does so for that purpose is a silly generalization.
im not trying to pwn anyone
i just cant be the only one frustrated that the QB debate has turned into “stop calling him names” and so forth. some people here have resorted to looking into the psychology of name calling to determine that people who may or may not be pro-bolden are big jerks and therefore matt mcgloin must be the answer.
its a nickname. you dont like them dont use them, but it has zero to do with anything. Let’s not pretend like if we all started calling him McBrady he’d somehow start shredding good defenses and put a little zip on his ball.
Not sure..
anybody has suggested anything remotely like your last sentence.
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These are the three demons you must slay if you wish to succeed in business."
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by Esteban d' Amur on Sep 26, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
So now you want to argue with me?
Over the details of pwny/pwning? ;) J/k, of course.
I’m just jabbing the ReadingRambler (still one of the coolest screennames this Dear Sweet Blog has ever had), cuz internet debates are a pathetic hobby of mine and Rambler’s usually really good at them.
And hey, just cuz you’ve been on a roll of late Sir Swiggy, don’t think I’d hesitate for one second to take your internet ass down ;)
by jtothep on Sep 26, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
What else am I supposed to say?
That’s a nice post he’s got, but this remains true:
His name is the opportunity, it is not the reason.
David Taylor for starting quarterback.
Beat Indiana.
by ReadingRambler on Sep 26, 2011 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I put a little
zip on my ball once – talk about instant tears!
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by BlueWhiteLife on Sep 26, 2011 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
"If Bolden’s name leant itself to an easily created alter ego that correctly portrayed his level of play to date..."
You mean Rob LOLden?
by Chris Grovich on Sep 26, 2011 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Shouldn't it be bLOLden?
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by PSUinBOSSton on Sep 26, 2011 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with you.
McGloin is treated much worse.
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Names that start with Mc
lend themselves to producing nicknames. That’s my explanation.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
McNickname
"I don't think you can progress in this game unless you know about the past."
-Silas Redd
Bolden has been called things to compare him to QB14
which is much worse than McDerp.
WE'RE DANCIN!!!
Perhaps you are right.
I will ask this though: If Bolden is getting hammered as badly as is McGloin, why do certain posters fail to point out that Bolden has never lit up any defense, let alone a bad one?
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by ReadingRambler on Sep 26, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
You are like Bizarro Mike Belotti
In that your analysis of the QBs is based upon actual observation and not racial stereotyping.
by Big Beefer on Sep 26, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
They miss Kevin Newsome...he was the best.
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by DerryPharmer on Sep 26, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I miss Kevin Newsome.
That kid never complained. Just a good dude.
Wish he had won the starting spot outright.
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by Adam Collyer on Sep 26, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Threadjack!
Nothing about the QB’s but that woman (Beth Mowins) should never be allowed inside a stadium again. She made me miss Pam Ward.
"I don’t know what he’s done differently, whether he’s eating differently or Sue is making him happier, but he’s definitely a different coach out there" Devon Still
Seriously.
I didn’t once hear her mention that McGloin was having a POTW performance. At least Pam Ward would have predicted that.
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by PSUinBOSSton on Sep 26, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I read on here elsewhere
that she screwed up several players’ names, including Lynn as he was carted off the field?
I probably won’t get to see this one, because the only replay is later this week at 2:30am on ESNPU, and I don’t have DVR, but it sounds like the commentary was a train wreck. I don’t understand how broadcast crews, who have all week to prepare for a broadcast, do background reading, and watch film, can’t come in prepared with a reasonable level of expertise on the teams they cover. It is not difficult or complex, and ostensibly, it is their JOB.
"I don't think you can progress in this game unless you know about the past."
-Silas Redd
That made me laugh
and the fact that you could hear an audible gasp from the crowd on tv made it that much better. Glad he was ok though.
As for her, it’s pretty obvious that she didn’t bother to prepare. I actually thought Bellotti was pretty good. He was just paired with a horrid partner.
"I don’t know what he’s done differently, whether he’s eating differently or Sue is making him happier, but he’s definitely a different coach out there" Devon Still
Minus the blatant stereotyping
'Why would she have you meet her in a bar at ten in the morning?'
'I just figured she was a raging alcoholic'
by psuphysicist on Sep 26, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha yes
I was just typing that out. The whole “McGloin is a pocket passer, Bolden is a scrambler” thing was bad. Real bad. I just wish I was in range to get the radio show because I’d gladly mute any announcing crew.
"I don’t know what he’s done differently, whether he’s eating differently or Sue is making him happier, but he’s definitely a different coach out there" Devon Still
can't believe 800 am dropped PSU sports, incredible.
South Central Pa and you can’t hear the game on the radio, unbelievable.
My grammer skills need improved.
I'm just glad the guy didn't hang onto the board that Lynn was tied to and drag it off with him.
My grammer skills need improved.
Those announcers had the potential of Bolden
and the execution of McGloin.
/lights fuse, runs like hell for cover.
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by PSU_Lions_84 on Sep 26, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Oh, jman, no!
Vocal tone alone makes this a disagreeable assertion.
With the state of announcing these days, all I need from my pbp announcer are these simple things:
1. Spot the ball, get down & distance right
2. Do not be aurally annoying
Anyway, I wasn’t in the mood to juggle video to radio timing in order to listen to Jack, so I rolled the dice and found these two (Mowins & Bellotti) exceedingly passable. Save the Bellotti QB 20-years ago QB analysis.
they should get names right
particularly if you’ve had 3 minutes to look it up and circle it because that player has been laying on the field and had to wait for the cart to come pick him up.
I Pretty Much
tune out the anouncers if I don’t like them. I don’t need play-by -play when at the stadium so I can live without it when watching on TV.
"You can't handle the truth!"
Isn't that's what it's all about.....
McGloin was the Co-offensive player of the week!!! Let’s be honest, I don’t recall anybody predicting that last week, regarless of how putrid the EMUs were.
"The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me God." The Government is like the Mob, you can check out, but never leave.
Sadly, mom won't let him play quarterback either.
She sees him as more of H-back.*
*I really wish the guy well and hope that he is entirely successful wherever he may end up.
by kijana's acl on Sep 26, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
haha this is hilarious
"I don’t know what he’s done differently, whether he’s eating differently or Sue is making him happier, but he’s definitely a different coach out there" Devon Still
Congrats to Matt McGloin
I don’t get all the hate for the kid. Normally we like to celebrate walk on success stories. Even Josh Hull eventually came around to being respected. But for some reason everyone is convinced McGloin sucks.
I don’t think he’s great, but he’s adequate. Outside of a horrible game against Florida and two bad quarters against Ohio State, the kid has been pretty good. (Let’s not forget he lit up that Buckeye defense in the first half. Only after PSU fell behind and he had to force things did he make mistakes.) If I had to choose between Matt McGloin and Anthony Morelli to lead my offense, I’d take Matt McGloin.
On the flip side, I don’t get it the people who are convinced Bolden is so much better. Please make the case for me. Don’t point to McGloin’s bad games. I don’t care if McGloin only does well against bad defenses. Bolden has played some bad defenses and not impressed me. Tell me what Bolden has done that’s so great. I watch him play and I see a kid that’s not sure of himself. He breaks down at the first sign of pressure and looks for his outlet. That’s why he can complete six passes and only have 35 yards passing. It’s not the playcalling.
I just don’t get it. Maybe Bolden has a chance to evolve into a better QB. But frankly, I don’t care about coddling a bad QB and his dad along so we can win games next year. I want to win games this year. And right now, it’s pretty clear to me McGloin is the better option. I know this is blasphemy to the Bolden lovers. Go ahead and bring the hate.
by BSD on Sep 26, 2011 2:19 PM EDT reply actions 8 recs
I don't think that Bolden is better now
It’s like “Let’s Make a Deal”, where you would have a meh prize in your hands and the host is offering you the chance to trade it in for whatever is behind curtain number two. Bolden is curtain number two, and McGloin (to me) is a new toaster. Is he servicable, yes. Will we be a B1G title contender with MM? Sadly, I don’t see it.
I also don’t think that Bolden has been coddled or given a real chance without having to look over his shoulder (a chance that McGloin got for several games last year), but that’s a different disagreement.
by kijana's acl on Sep 26, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
watch last year's Illinois game. He didn't have to look over his shoulder.
I don’t care which one plays. I don’t care if they keep rotating the rest of the year as long as they are both progressing as it appears right now.
I do think Bolden suffers a bit when he sits for a quarter. There might be something he could do, like grab a headset and stand next to Red while MM gets his quarter. It might help him get a feel for what is being called and what the coordinators are seeing. I noticed MM with headphones alot, though not all the time this past saturday and Bolden only for a short time after he came out.
My grammer skills need improved.
Galen Hall on this subject (what the sitting QB can do while not playing)
I am very happy for whoever it is that comes in and gets us kick-started. He can see over there and he can see what they are doing. As long as you are intelligent and heady, you study even from the sideline. I know we learn from playing, but if you can learn from the sideline and see what they are doing on defense, you will be a little better prepared then if maybe you are just straight off the bat.
He had a headset on Saturday
He was also involved in pre-drive huddles and was out on the field congratulating teammates after McGloins TD passes.
I'm not worried about the congradulation stuff. He only wore the headset a short time in second quarter. I was there and I watched.
He was waaaaay more involved this week than the first two games when he came out. Can’t say for the Temple game because I can’t watcht the sideline. I believe he is starting to get “it”, as in what it will take to get better mentally along with all the athleticism he has.
My grammer skills need improved.
also, I root for both to be successful and if they can put numbers up consistantly like saturday, they can continue rotating as far as I'm concerned.
I do notice a much harsher anti McGLoin feeling than Bolden. I want someone to step up and take the job but if neither separates then this is fine. The team will eventually adjust to both.
My grammer skills need improved.
Not given a chance
I see this argument from time to time. People say if Bolden got all the playing time he would get in a rthym and play better and progress.
Well, they’re both getting equal snaps in practice. They’re both playing in games against the same defenses. McGloin doesn’t look great, but Bolden doesn’t either. The four star QB should be out performing the walk on and he isn’t. The offense just looks better under McGloin.
I’m not sure we can win the B1G with MM, but I don’t think Bolden has it either. He can’t even play well against EMU. Take away the 71 yard pass to Smith and Bolden was 6-for-12 for 41 yards an INT and a TD against a defense a good QB should light up. He hasn’t completed 50% of his passes on the year. His TD:INT ratio is 1:3 while McGloin’s is 3:0. Someone explain to me in what universe Bolden is the obvious choice to step off the bus first this week?
Why would you take away a big play? Does it count less?
My only point on opportunity is that MM, no matter how poorly he played against O$U, MSU or Florida, never got pulled. Bolden has not been given that type of unfettered opportunity.
by kijana's acl on Sep 26, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with you
But if McGloin had thrown that pass the Bolden lovers would be quick to point out that Devon Smith was the reason the play worked.
On the same token, MM gets no credit for his good games while people are quick to point out his bad ones. When MM leads them on a long TD drive, I see a lot of people say “Well, he was helped by a 15 yd facemask penalty and Silas Redd carried them on that drive.” I also see a lot of people say Bolden is hurt by a lot of dropped passes and the playcalling. The people in the Bolden camp clearly give him every excuse in the book while taking away from MM every chance they get. We don’t get to pick and choose certain plays to make our case. We have to look at their overall body of work.
The offense scores when MM plays and they don’t when Bolden plays. That’s the bottom line.
by BSD on Sep 26, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The offense scores when MM plays and they don’t when Bolden plays. That’s the bottom line.
Yes.
The Florida game was last year. Let it go, Penn State fans.
Hire Eastern Michigan's coach - whoever that is!
by ReadingRambler on Sep 26, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Seems decades ago
as tedious as this “debate” has become.
"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
I gotta call something a name.
After all, I want to feel as I’ve participated.
"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
That's the way I feel
I’m all over the place, tho. Real rusty. Jumpin in on the end of points, makin dumb jokes, unable to make a point of my own. Can’t get into any rhythm.
Kinda like our QBs.
See, THERE it is…don’t call it a comeback.
i can make a point that it counts less.
if its a 4 yard pass and the reciever takes it to the house, that pads his stats. since he didn’t have get 3 or 4 completions to get those yards
Or you could say:
He spotted the correct, completely uncovered guy with a ton of space to work, and delivered a crisp, accurate pass to him in stride that allowed him to use his speed to turn the corner and take advantage of a solid down field block by his team mate.
This is inane. I honestly don’t care anymore how this works. I just want to see our offense playing as a team, which regardless of who was under center, EMU was the first time it seemed like they were. Run blocking was a bit iffy, but it was the most complete game across the board we’ve had from the offense this year. I’ll take it.
"This is being a Penn State fan. We’ll prove it, or we won’t. It’s not about proving it to them, it’s about proving to ourselves."
If I had to guess
I’d say the ‘McGloin sucks’ attitude has been amplified as a result of his off field persona. Things like twitter fights, calling out Kirk Herbstreit, referring to Bolden as a ‘good back up’ and using that godawful mouthpiece have really soured a lot of people on the kid. Feel good walk-on success stories typically are centered around a humble player working hard to get his shot. When it works out, the player usually shows a ton of humility because he knows how had he had to work for everything he earned.
McGloin is/was different.
Also, he was celebrated last year until the second half of the Ohio State game. And all of his cockiness that was displayed in his interviews and one-off comments became a glaringly obvious personality problem. Then, to continue that attitude after being publicly humbled by throwing away the OSU game and throwing 5 interceptions against Florida is mindnumingly maddening. Throw in the fact that Bolden and him are roughly equal in terms of production, coupled with the high expectations of Bolden, and McGloin becomes an easy person to villify. I haven’t heard anything that off-putting out of his mouth this year, but damnit, wear a blue freaking mouthpiece.
'Why would she have you meet her in a bar at ten in the morning?'
'I just figured she was a raging alcoholic'
by psuphysicist on Sep 26, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agree with all of this except the very last clause
blue mouthpieces are showy and draw attention to the player. Where a white one.
by kijana's acl on Sep 26, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok.
Wear a white one. I don’t really care, but as (i think) jtot put it ‘this is Penn State football. Check your individuality at the door.’
'Why would she have you meet her in a bar at ten in the morning?'
'I just figured she was a raging alcoholic'
by psuphysicist on Sep 26, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah mcgloin should take off field lessons from bolden..
….I fully expect him to demand a transfer and have his dad be his pr rep.
Seriously who can honestly say that mcgloin has been worse off field than bolden?
I will take a guy who wants to play for psu than someone who thinks they are entitled to more than they have proven on the field.
by JRM397 on Sep 26, 2011 3:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You can't
Everyone loved his cockiness when he was telling off Kirk Herbstreit and winning games. But when you act confident and throw 5 picks you’re a douchebag.
In real interviews the kid has been pretty classy. When interacting on twitter or making off hand comments at high school basketball games (that people hear second hand) he gets in trouble.
I might regret weighing in on this
and while I am now firmly on #TeamQBNITTANYLIONS, I have been more of a Bolden guy, but I think we need acknowledge that McGloin has been more of a statesman this year. Give the kid credit for realizing his mouth was getting him into trouble and growing up a bit.
It is completely possible to start off on the wrong foot at PSU and still leave as an ambassador for the Grand Experiment, just ask Andrew Quarless. Once upon a time, Bobby Engram stole a stereo. Former Lions have picked themselves up off the mat from far worse than instigating a Twitter war and done the Blue and White proud, and I think it is worth recognizing that McGloin has shown some maturity in his conduct this year.
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-Silas Redd
by PSU_Buch on Sep 26, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
And on the flip side
How has Bolden’s reputation suffered with the whole “Will he stay or go?” all summer long?
by BSD on Sep 26, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hardly any at all.
In case you didn’t know already.
Hire Eastern Michigan's coach - whoever that is!
by ReadingRambler on Sep 26, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Speak for yourself
Definitely hurt my opinion of him and made me question his commitment to the team.
Perhaps
Rambler meant to use the sarcasm font.
And I am always somewhat amused at how many people crucified Devlin for finding out his options, and then after they were publicized he chose to man up, transfer, and not be a distraction to the team. Yet Bolden was a major distraction for nigh on 8 months and gets a pass.
*
I was in agreement, sorry for the bad phrasing.
I always forget that I can’t get tone through via text.
David Taylor for starting quarterback.
Beat Indiana.
by ReadingRambler on Sep 26, 2011 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Hard to say...
But while I haven’t said it, I would think that a bunch of McGloin supporters think that he (McGloin) would have been named the starter by now if not for Bolden’s stunt at the end of last season.
This has merit.
I suspect there is an unnamed factor afoot.
"The limits of my language mean the limits of my world" -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
Also,
Can you imagine if Kerry Collins had had twitter? I believe he was pretty cocky in college, too.
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Oh dear
Drunk twitter would have kept him on the dog house forever.
by kijana's acl on Sep 26, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
OMG THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN SO AWESOME
I would love to see a fake drunk KC twitter handle.
Fire Dan Snyder
Re: negative nicknames made for McGloin
Imagine what the internet hordes would have said about Sacca. There are many things you could put into sacks that would not be flattering as a nickname.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
If the mouthpiece is so bad, why is Paterno allowing it?
If Joe Paterno is allowing something, why in the name of all that is holy should we give a crap? He’s proud of his Irish heritage, so what?
Hire Eastern Michigan's coach - whoever that is!
by ReadingRambler on Sep 26, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
/Quote from Blazing Saddles.
"We gon' get down. We gon' do the do. I'm going to hit these mother****ers" - Dock Ellis, May 1, 1974.
I agree with you now.
Let’s compare Bolden’s stats for his first four games this year and last.
2010: 68-113, 823 yards, 3 TD, 5 INT, 121.27 passer efficiency
2011: 33-71, 388 yards, 1 TD, 3 INT, 88.58 passer efficiency
He’s split more time with McGloin this year, but by every measure he’s worse than last year. This with a comparable schedule strength, comparable OL and running attack, a better defense, and another year of experience.
It’s week 4 of his sophomore season, Bolden’s had four starts to establish himself as the quarterback and yet his timing and accuracy still lag far behind his impressive arm strength. His passer rating is so low it’s off the NCAA charts.
McGloin was atrocious against Alabama, but even with that game his passer efficiency rating is still comparable to West Virginia’s Geno Smith, LSU’s Jarrett Lee, and Michigan State Kirk Cousins. He also has thrown zero interceptions—although several could have been picked off.
It’s the conundrum: with McGloin you know you have an average quarterback, with Bolden you could have a great quarterback. I think the coaches have really made a mess of this, but I think with a great defense and an average offense PSU could put together a 10-win season. I can’t believe I’m saying this, but I go with McGloin.
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by J.Schnauzer on Sep 26, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Agree with this
I think the coaches have really made a mess of this
and probably with this
with a great defense and an average offense [and, I’d add, this Dead Team Schedule] PSU could put together a 10-win seasonThere’s nowhere near any evidence to suggest they will put together an average offense, but the talent there definitely suggests they could.
What are the most important QB Play Metrics, in order of priority? Important meaning most important to getting the W.
1. Score Points
2. Protect the ball (don’t lose the game)
3. Move the chains / get the yards that increase the chances of #1
4. Burn clock
Or something. My point is trailing off, I’m out of shape.
I agree with every word except "Bolden lovers"
The first step to rationalizing this debate is to cease phrases like that one and, yes “McDerp”.
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by ReadingRambler on Sep 26, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
"Bolden lovers" does suggest emotional reasons
and thus irrationality.
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Can I just say,
"It's never a bad thing thing to vote for the suckiness of tOSU." -RWReese
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by Paige2PSU on Sep 26, 2011 2:50 PM EDT reply actions 8 recs
It's DEAD!
It’s past caring, like me with this QB debate . . .
"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.
"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."
by PSU_Lions_84 on Sep 26, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I am posting on this topic, aren't I?
"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.
"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."
by PSU_Lions_84 on Sep 26, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
"Whip me!" yelled the masochist.
“No!” replied the sadist gleefully.
*
by Smee on Sep 26, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
^ This!
"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.
"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."
by PSU_Lions_84 on Sep 26, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I was in Special Forces.
We eat almost everything.
"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.
"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."
by PSU_Lions_84 on Sep 26, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I getting real sick of this
I’m putting this argument on par with the high school recruiting stars.
by Mr. Rosewater on Sep 26, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Even Denver Broncos fans
say we need to get over it.
"I don't think you can progress in this game unless you know about the past."
-Silas Redd
Does Daryll Clark have any eligibility left?
"I don’t know what he’s done differently, whether he’s eating differently or Sue is making him happier, but he’s definitely a different coach out there" Devon Still
Did I see him on the sidelines
on Sat?
yes
" When you cross that Blue Line, you are mine...Across the Blue Line, it's all football. " " And what you need to do in your life is paint Blue Lines everywhere. " - Joe Paterno 2009
by BlueWhiteLife on Sep 26, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
One of Our Regular Posters
Met DC17 after the game. She was quite thrilled.
"You can't handle the truth!"
"Orgasmic" might not be too strong a description.
I tease, I tease!
"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.
"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."
by PSU_Lions_84 on Sep 26, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
it wasn't THAT great
"Rabble rabble rabble; fire Joe; snarky meme; rude nickname; rabble rabble rabble
Apparently the post-encounter cigarette smoke
befuddled me . . .
"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.
"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."
by PSU_Lions_84 on Sep 28, 2011 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I saw him standing next to me after the game!
#notsohumblebrag
"Rabble rabble rabble; fire Joe; snarky meme; rude nickname; rabble rabble rabble
Think we could pull a switcheroo and have DC put on the number 1 jersey?
I bet Belotti wouldn’t have noticed
by jrock4 on Sep 26, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
It would confuse the hell out of the Texas A&M fans.
by jesse. on Sep 26, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
"The black guy is in! It's a run!" - TAMU fans at Alamo Bowl
David Taylor for starting quarterback.
Beat Indiana.
by ReadingRambler on Sep 26, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Check your emails
David Taylor for starting quarterback.
Beat Indiana.
by ReadingRambler on Sep 26, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I have a theory that M2 and RoBo
are less twisted in knots than we are. They both know how they are underperforming, and undoubtedly expect better from themselves. I also believe they recognize the “race” is still open b/c neither one has excelled.
Not saying they don’t both wish to be the starter — merely suggesting they understand the situation better than most of us.
"Make haste to reassure us, I beg you, and tell us that our fellow citizens understand us, support us, and protect us as we ourselves are protecting the glory of the Empire.
"If it should be otherwise, if we should have to leave our bleached bones on these desert sands in vain, then beware the fury of the Legions."
Our sucky quaterback
Was named Big Ten Player of the week. So obviously, we’re upset.
by jesse. on Sep 26, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I thought naming the divisions "leaders" and "legends" was bad
But awarding McGloin was the worst decision the B1G has ever made.
I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.
I don't know why
but this picture makes me laugh a lot.
"I don't think you can progress in this game unless you know about the past."
-Silas Redd
Great job, Matt. What’s not to love about a walk-on earning a scholarship, a starting spot and Big 10 Player of the Week? My son took a couple recruiting trips to PSU last fall and would have given anything to suit up in blue and white. Unfortunately it didn’t work out but having been through that process gives one an appreciation for how difficult it is to even get on the field as a walk on. I’m sure Bolden also realizes that, had he stayed in Michigan and gone to either U of M or MSU he’d have been on the sidelines for a minimum of 2 years. Just hope both young men appreciate the tremendous opportunity they’re being given.
by MB in MI on Sep 26, 2011 5:12 PM EDT reply actions 7 recs
they make movies about shit like this
and here we are bitching and moaning
"Rabble rabble rabble; fire Joe; snarky meme; rude nickname; rabble rabble rabble
B&M About
The Coaching Staff-the so-called “highly paid professionals” whose job it is to put these young men in a position to win.
"You can't handle the truth!"
3-1 Record
was expected by me-but I am TIRED of the O Line playing like crap for the first half of the season every single year.
"You can't handle the truth!"
Coaching not QB's more the issue.
Let me start off by stating that I have been strongly against McGloin for a while based on his performances against quality defenses and before everyone jumps on my back I was there for all of the games every painful point from the interceptions at the bowl game to the horrible line play against Iowa to the Bolden concussion to the awful loss to Illinois (figured I’d cover both QB’s horrible play). But I’m coming to the point now where I can’t sit here and blame/pick a horse to ride with because neither is improving and I’ve come to the conlusion that this is not completely there fault.
The number one problem is the coaching staff.
Based on statistic’s and personal experience I challenge anyone to tell me a QB that got better while at Penn State. I’ll grant some concession that some of the QB’s may have remained stagnant but a vast majority have progressively gotten markably worse and the only way that happens is that whatever the staff is coaching them to do is affecting the natural skill in the players. All of the rating services can’t be wrong. Let’s look at some figures.
Mills – 2001 Passer Rating – 118.7 2004 Passer Rating – 113.9
Robinson – Never tainted by the staff because he only played one year and lived off his raw talent
Morelli – 2006 Passer Rating – 111.9 2007 Passer Rating – 124.2
Note: However, 2 more interceptions and a weaker schedule (.579 SOS in 2006 vs. .5332 SOS in 2007) coupled with a seasoned receiving corps in 2007 of Butler, Williams and Norwood.
Clark – 2008 Passer Rating – 143.4 2009 Passer Rating – 142.6
INT’s 6 & 10 in 2008,2009
Note: And he developed the if I’m getting sacked throw a pick over the middle play.
This year remains to be seen but note that both QB’s passer ratings regardless of opponents are higher than Mills or Morellis starting passer ratings and not including this weeks games there statistics were woefully worse then last years in comparison.
Interesting data.
I don’t have any exact point to add / contract from yours; other than these above cited QB’s had only/up to 2 years of actual playing time, whereas MM and RB could each have 3 and 4 years, respectively, at the end of their career as Nittany Lions.
Noting this, It will be an interesting yearly update on these two in such comparison manner; not only the potential (hopefull) progressions, but also the fact it has been many yrs since a PSU QB had a fair amount of playing time over 2 years…
" When you cross that Blue Line, you are mine...Across the Blue Line, it's all football. " " And what you need to do in your life is paint Blue Lines everywhere. " - Joe Paterno 2009
by BlueWhiteLife on Sep 26, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
It's crazy to look at two years of stats and say a player didn't improve.
Do you know how I know Daryl Clark improved from 2007 to 2008? He played in 2008. To say he never improved while he was in school by comparing two seasons and ignoring the other three he was in the program seems like a clever use of statistics at best.
Did you see Robinson play before his senior season? Raw talent or not, trust me, he improved. A great deal actually. Mills regressed, but mostly due to injuries, and being on teams that make this one look awesome.
I actually think that Jay has pulled a few rabbits out of his hat (Clark, Mills [to an extent], and put some serviceable lipstick on some pigs, Morelli and McGloin.
by jesse. on Sep 26, 2011 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Are you really calling 143.4 to 142.6 a regression, really.
Also nice job refuting Morelli’s better numbers since they don’t support your inane baseless theory.
by psuwresfan on Sep 26, 2011 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly
Plus saying it Morelli only got better because of Bulter, Williams and Norwood and forgetting to mention that Clark lost those same 3 between ’08 and ’09.
With firmness in the right, as God gives us to see the right
- A.Lincoln
by SarcasmJam on Sep 26, 2011 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
B1G POTW
Shoelaces McGloin
Has a nice ring to it
"Rabble rabble rabble; fire Joe; snarky meme; rude nickname; rabble rabble rabble
OK, here is the solution
Matthew Freeman, featured twirler, because:
1. He can throw. He throws that baton way far
2. He is accurate. Not one interception by another twirler all year
3. He can catch. Really, he catches his own throws!
4. He is tuff. Come on. How much crap do you think this guy has taken over the years because of his chosen activity? I
don’t see him being afraid of a B1G linebacker
5. Fire. He will be the only QB to use a fire ball
"Rabble rabble rabble; fire Joe; snarky meme; rude nickname; rabble rabble rabble
by letsgopsu on Sep 26, 2011 5:54 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
I apologize for calling people jackasses.
I stand by my main opinion that people were (Are?) being completely and unjustifiably irrational, partisan, and angry over this debate, and I’m lucky that was the only slip that came from my anger over how stupid all of this crap is.
David Taylor for starting quarterback.
Beat Indiana.
by ReadingRambler on Sep 26, 2011 7:07 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I would never call you a jackass.
Who was the linebacker you saw wearing tennis shorts?
David Taylor for starting quarterback.
Beat Indiana.
by ReadingRambler on Sep 26, 2011 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
You Know What Makes Me Sad?
Elizabeth, with Vin Scully, only folks working longer than JoePA at same place!
by joefromboalsburg on Sep 26, 2011 11:05 PM EDT reply actions
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by MainLion on Sep 26, 2011 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
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