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September Review: Not Quite Stumbling Out of the Gate

The ticket system known as STEP hasn't exactly done any favors for Beaver Stadium attendance this season. Here, a few dedicated fans brave the blistering heat during Penn State's victory over Indiana State. Sept. 3, 2011. (MIke Pettigano/BSD)

Is it really the end of September? Indeed it is, yet nothing (NOTHING) about Penn State football seems resolved. The running game continues to struggle (relatively) behind a so-so offensive line. The quarterbacks are still at the mercy of Joe Paterno's sudden influx of charity toward fairness. The defense just lost arguably its best player for this season and possibly even next season, and another for at least a week or two. Meanwhile, the clusterf@ck that is Penn State's offensive play calling system remains alive and well, even though JoePa was able to walk the sidelines for the first half against EMU.

But it wasn't all that bad. The defense has emerged and grown into its talent. The offense, for all its faults, continues to do enough to win the games Penn State should win. But the most under-appreciated factor looking back at Penn State football this September has to be the underestimated quality of the Nittany Lions' non-conference opponents.

Think of this post today in a few different ways.

  1. First-Third of the Season Review, Final Two-Thirds of the Season Preview
  2. Non-Conference Review; Conference Preview
  3. September Review, October & November Preview

This season actually works out perfectly for the "September" theme, since each month of the season hosts exactly four of Penn State's 12 regular season contests--October has five Saturdays, but one bye week in there all eight conference games come in the second two months of the season.

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Top Storylines for September

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1. The OMGQUARTERBACKS (and the drooling media) -- It's been one week up, one week down. One week McGloin; One week Bolden. And it's been nothing but excruciating for the fans and the offense. The common thought among the base is that while one might be better or worse than the other (we're not going to touch that right now), the one thing that is fixable right now isn't being addressed--in fact, it's being avoided like The Plague by JoePa and the staff. Just pick one, dammit! If there is one simple idea that everyone could agree on during this entire September of offensive (pun totally intended) football, it's that playing two quarterbacks has not worked, and likely has harmed the development of both the individual passers as well as the offense's cohesion as a unit.

The media hasn't been quiet during this debate, not by a long shot, sometimes stoking the flames with a little splash of kerosene now and then. Of course, local "untrained eyes" have been making it a bit of their own personal crusade to see one name emerge at the top; though, it's kind of funny how I couldn't find any such sweeping declarations of certainty following either of the two games against not-pathetic opponents this year. If there is one sport contending with football in Happy Valley this fall, it's the constant race by the media to pick winners and losers after each pass thrown. There is only one man capable of putting this frustrating episode to rest, but it doesn't look like that will happen any time soon. 

2. Calling the Shots -- We all know how Penn State's play-calling process works. But that doesn't mean it makes anyone any more comfortable with the prospect of it staying so incredibly convoluted and needlessly bureaucratic. So here's what I've gathered:

  • Galen Hall calls run or pass.
  • If it's a run, Hall calls the play.
  • If it's a pass, Jay Paterno calls the play.
  • Joe Paterno (when in the box) listens to the calls, and gets approval/veto power. If he wants the coordinators to know something, he "passes a note" via Western Union.
  • When on the sideline, Joe Paterno still gets the same powers, but is in fact less involved in the play-by-play calls, since he's not listening in on the headset.
  • The calls are relayed down to Mike McQueary on the sideline, who sends in the plays from the sideline.

The gigantic problem here is when a play, defense, or timeout has to be called and sent into the huddle within about 3-5 seconds. This was the problem at Iowa last season and in later games, too. But it was a huge issue for Penn State during the first drive against Alabama, when the Nittany Lions wasted two timeouts within the first few plays. Say what you want about the pitfalls of Fran Ganter's offense years ago, but when he had the kind of control true offensive coordinators should have (i.e. before sharing with JayPa in 1999), the offense ran quite smoothly.

3. Not So Cupcakey After All -- Did you know Penn State's non-conference opponents are now a combined 12-1 against teams not nicknamed the Nittany Lions? The only loss is by Eastern Michigan (2-2) against the Michigan Wolverines. Indiana State (3-1) is off to its best start since dinosaurs roamed the earth, including a blowout (!) win over I-A/FBS team Western Kentucky, and a then-No. 24 Youngstown State. Alabama (4-0) just trounced 12th-ranked Arkansas by a larger margin than the Tide beat Penn State. But the biggest surprise has been not just that Temple is a good team this year, but that its near-upset over Penn State might have been nearer than we thought. The Owls just returned to Philadelphia from a trip to Maryland, where the Owls took the Terps behind the woodshed for a 38-7 road win. Bernard Pierce scored five touchdowns, as Temple ran for 285 net yards (305 total).

Does this mean all these teams are going to finish 10-2 or better? Of course not. Eastern Michigan will likely miss a bowl game this year, and Indiana State is still an FCS program. Temple has tricky games ahead. Alabama plays one of the toughest schedules in college football. But you can't diminish that four non-conference opponents Penn State faced so far have not been disappointing in the least.

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4. Two Steps Forward... -- Michael Mauti blew up another ACL on Saturday, while D'Anton Lynn got a nasty stinger that will put him on the sidelines for at least this week. But overall the Penn State defense has been playing really, really well this season. It's only improved, also, particularly in "making plays" like forcing turnovers and pressuring the opposing quarterbacks. Devon Still is playing for a first-round NFL draft selection. The linebackers are deep and strong enough to absorb even a crushing blow like losing Mauti. And the secondary has done what it has to do. If only the offense could have stayed on the field for a few more minutes against Alabama, and not shat itself against Temple, this season might be looking very different, in terms of team perception.

5. Play That Sh!tty Music -- As if the on-field issues weren't enough, the Beaver Stadium music selections have come under heavy fire this season, particularly after the Alabama game. We've covered it here at BSD, but it's gained serious traction as an issue among fans following a scathing editorial and follow up article at Onward State. The Blue Band doesn't play as often as it did before Penn State began running a greater amount of "canned tunes" over the public address system, such as horrible 1980s pop tunes or hair band crap. Even worse are the "sounds" played, like the thumping heart beat. Some don't mind the NFL-like atmosphere Beaver Stadium has become since about 2006. But many do mind it, and are finally starting to speak out.

6. The Sorta-White Out -- First, we saw less than 97,000 fans in the stands for Penn State's season opener against Indiana State. That was the worst home-opener attendance since before the 2001 stadium expansion. It was also the first time since 2005 (99,235) that the announced attendance for a home opener fell below 100,000. And this year it wasn't even close to that number, as the announced attendance for Indiana State was 96,461. Three weeks later, against Eastern Michigan, Penn State announced a crowd of 95,363. But more glaring than those anemic numbers was the embarrassing amount of Crimson within the Beaver Stadium Whiteout game against Alabama. Some estimates put the number of Alabama fans in attendance at 20,000. That wouldn't surprise me, having seen the crowd from both on the field and in the press box. It's not unusual to see lots of opposing fans in the stands at Penn State games, as Beaver Stadium does allow a good number of opposing tickets to be sold. But the with about 4,000 season tickets not being sold this year due to STEP, it's not difficult to find at least one big reason why no one is showing up to games; or when they do show up, they're wearing the other team's colors.

Quick September Recaps

Penn State 41, Indiana State 7 -- The running game leads Penn State to win No. 1 for 2011, amassing 245 yards between Silas Redd, Brandon Beachum and Curtis Dukes. The quarterbacks not give much chance to prove themselves. The defense looks good, but not great against an FCS opponent. Attendance is the lowest for a home-opener in more than a decade.

Alabama 27, Penn State 11 -- Alabama converts an early 4th down on a controversial spot, but Penn State's lack of time management ability dooms the Lions from the start. The Tide marches slowly but deliberately toward victory, as Penn State struggles to hold onto the ball. Bolden plays well without much help, including carrying the offense on a late touchdown drive. McGloin completes 1 of 10 passes for zero yards. The defense plays surprisingly well.

Penn State 14, Temple 10 -- The Owls get great pressure on the pocket, while striking early for a lead it wouldn't relinquish until late in the fourth quarter. Penn State is hampered by another sluggish offensive performance, including poor outings by both quarterbacks. Mauti emerges with a monster day on defense. Temple's offense slows to a grinding halt after its first score, as both teams stumble over one another in a race to the bottom.

Penn State 34, Eastern Michigan 6 -- Penn State goes to the air, bombing away with Matt McGloin, while Rob Bolden puts up good but not great numbers on his own. The run game doesn't do much, but isn't asked to do much. The defense continues its journey toward being great, but loses Mauti and Lynn to injury. There were about 12,000 empty seats in Beaver Stadium.

September Verdict

The jury is still out on Penn State. It's widely assumed that this team has the talent to be very good, even great. But between execution and coaching problems, the Nittany Lions simply aren't getting the job done as it should each Saturday. Much of the focus has been on the quarterback battle--even if it's a somewhat manufactured battle due to JoePa's determination to be "fair" to both quarterbacks. When has JoePa ever been concerned about fairness, especially when a quarterback position remains so wildly uncertain? If he wants to go with the older guy, fine. But just do it already.

The Alabama game was a dud in the most blatant sense. Penn State had the big national stage and flopped. The Temple game, despite the Owls looking greater in retrospect, was one of the worst performances by the offense since 2004. And even in blowout wins over ISU and EMU, the Nittany Lions haven't been able to look like a team that can dominate bad teams, handle good teams, and beat a great team or two this year. The defense is close; but that doesn't matter if the offense can't stay on the field when it needs to.

Looking Ahead to October and November

It's less than three days until the Big Ten conference opener at Indiana. The Hoosiers don't look like anything special, but that's not a reason to be cocky about the road trip to Bloomington. If Penn State looks bad once again, against an opponent arguably just as bad as ISU and EMU, then it could be a very unhappy Halloween in Happy Valley. Later today, we're going to gather together all our BSD staff predictions for Penn State the rest of the season, since the Big Ten schedule kicks off this weekend. So I won't run down picking each of the 8 remaining games.

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But I will say this. It doesn't get any easier. If Penn State doesn't improve at all, there are only about three likely wins the rest of the season: Indiana, Purdue and Northwestern. The rest would be either up in the air, or likely losses. However, we're looking at a different season if Penn State can settle down into a quarterback it can work around, produce more in the run game, tighten up its offensive efficiency on both the sideline and in the box, while not completely exhausting the defense every week. Those three likely wins before are near certain locks, while games against Iowa, Illinois, and Ohio State look suddenly very winnable. Then the final two against Nebraska and Wisconsin don't look like the likely losses they once were.

It's early. We're not even really into the meat of this season. Big Ten play offers a great opportunity for teams to come together and win something. Penn State remains an enigma right now. The conference looks absolutely terrible this year, meaning anything or any team can jump up and surprise. Can Penn State be one of those teams to rise to the occasion and take advantage of what's in front of it? We shall see. That journey begins this Saturday in Memorial Stadium.

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Seriously

Expel those boys from school. They belong in Millersville or Shippensburg.

by Mr. Rosewater on Sep 28, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

"October has five Saturdays, but one bye week in there"

The bye doesn’t come until November 5th. PSU is playing all five Saturdays in October.

by larchpsu on Sep 28, 2011 11:09 AM EDT reply actions  

Fixed

and hey, gimme a break. I haven’t slept more than 3 hours a night since last Thursday.

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by Mike Pettigano on Sep 28, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I remember this

And how super-awesome the rare, so very rare 5hour nap would feel.

by jtothep on Sep 28, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, we got about 3 hours last night

and it felt amazing. There was a full 2-hour stretch in there of pure sleep.

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"The way things are these days, 9-3 and one of the best graduation rates in the country doesn't seem like such a terrible bargain to make." - Michael Weinreb

by Mike Pettigano on Sep 28, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hang in there

Only 8-12 months and you’ll start getting a little more sleep. In 4 short years you’ll be back to a full night most every night.

by PSU Mudder on Sep 28, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sleeping Through the Night...

The first night they sleep all the way through the night and you wake up before them…pure fear then pure relief when you relize they are ok and you actually feel a bit rested.

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by Esteban d' Amur on Sep 28, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are right

You have that shear moment of panic when you hope they are still breathing and worry that they are ok. Once you make sure they are, then you realize it was the best night of sleep ever…lol

by GMac14 on Sep 28, 2011 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh my god that just happened last night

my wife woke up this morning and was like “I had to go over and feel his body to see if it was still warm,” and I replied “me too!”

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by Mike Pettigano on Sep 29, 2011 6:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

This won't stop for about four months.

Even now, my wife will either send me into the baby’s room (or go herself) to see if he’s still okay. He’s still okay.

by Chris Grovich on Sep 29, 2011 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

That's why God invented

the “overnight work trip”.

Seriously though… my wife at first thought we BOTH needed to get up every time the baby did…that whole husband helping out with the feeding crap. We quickly came to realize it made WAY more sense to take turns with feedings and each get a solid block of sleep for 6 hrs. You’re welcome…LOL

"Illegitimus non Carborundum!" (Don't let the bastards wear you down)

by RWReese on Sep 28, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I give them a D

“A” for the Defense.

Something below an “F” for the offense.

by Artiefufkin10 on Sep 28, 2011 11:15 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

"something below an 'F'"

So no “C” from me.

I’m not upset because I expected Penn State to upset Alabama. I’m upset because the offense is a disaster, and with this much experience, it shouldn’t be the case. The blame falls squarely on the coaching.

You could extend that argument to special teams too.

by Artiefufkin10 on Sep 28, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

The offense is not a disaster.

We are 3-1 and we actually came from behind to beat Temple. This is not a disaster.

David Taylor for starting quarterback.
Beat Indiana.

by ReadingRambler on Sep 28, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like this?

Scary but no harm done once you dust yourself off?

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by bconway6 on Sep 28, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

No harm done?!?! No harm done!?!?

There are filters to be replaced! Windows to be cleaned! Streets and driveways to be swept! Dear Lord, man…there’s cleanup to be done!

"Illegitimus non Carborundum!" (Don't let the bastards wear you down)

by RWReese on Sep 28, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Draw whatever conclusion you want from this.

89th Total Yards
76th Passing Yards
75th Rushing Yards
81st Scoring
100th Pass Efficiency
82nd First Downs / Game
85th 3rd Down Conversions

by Chris Grovich on Sep 28, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here's 2004, fwiw.

(Of course, this takes into account the full season / Big Ten schedule)

104th Total Yards
90th Passing Yards
81st Rushing Yards
109th Scoring
111th Pass Efficiency

by Chris Grovich on Sep 28, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

What does this do to disprove me?

A disaster gives up more than zero sacks to Alabama, it does not score that game-winning touchdown against Temple, and it does not show signs of life against Eastern Michigan – heck, signs of life against every team, let’s be honest.

Remember what Speedomike said about some people trying to make everything sound like a disaster? Yeah.

David Taylor for starting quarterback.
Beat Indiana.

by ReadingRambler on Sep 28, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're endlessly pointing out "hyperbole" lately to statements you dont like

But “some people try to make everything sound like a disaster” doesn’t even register with you?

by Chris Grovich on Sep 28, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

I don't think that's very hyperbolic at all.

I don’t see much reason to disagree with him – especially with the caveat of “some people” there.

Besides, it’s not my comment, I just agree with it, so I’m willing to stretch a teensy bit anyway.

David Taylor for starting quarterback.
Beat Indiana.

by ReadingRambler on Sep 28, 2011 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

And is someone willing to challenge me on the point that people have been very much hyperbolic lately?

David Taylor for starting quarterback.
Beat Indiana.

by ReadingRambler on Sep 28, 2011 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love the Onion

"I don’t know what he’s done differently, whether he’s eating differently or Sue is making him happier, but he’s definitely a different coach out there" Devon Still

by jman07 on Sep 29, 2011 7:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

if you judge disaster as 0 yards and 0 points through 4 games

then no it is not a disaster

But you cant blame some people for considering not getting a TD pass until week four and having less yards rushing per game than most of the country a disaster though.

by swiggy04 on Sep 28, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right

Something that is less than absolute worst case scenario in every possible way can still be a disaster.

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by PSUinBOSSton on Sep 28, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure I'd use the word blame.

I disagree with them. I think there’s a difference.

And, no, I don’t judge disaster as 0 yard and 0 points through 4 games. But, come on, a disaster would not have beaten Temple and given up zero sacks to Alabama!

David Taylor for starting quarterback.
Beat Indiana.

by ReadingRambler on Sep 28, 2011 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

If we're talking about 2004

and 2011. That 2004 team loses 14-6 to Temple. It scores 0 points against Alabama. This offense is not good but it is not on the same level of suck that 2004 was.

"I don’t know what he’s done differently, whether he’s eating differently or Sue is making him happier, but he’s definitely a different coach out there" Devon Still

by jman07 on Sep 29, 2011 7:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

so true

the best true wide reciever on that team was a pretty decent strong safety and got hurt t/3 of the way through the season.

My grammer skills need improved.

by BMAN13 on Sep 29, 2011 7:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol fair enough.

im certainly an easier grader than you. i do like the standards you hold for psu though. rather inspiring.

by tlrpsu on Sep 28, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stadium Atmosphere

I thought it was better against Eastern Michigan. There seemed to be more blue band and less piped in music. My impression is that Guido was listening and making adjustments.

by dontcallmescooter on Sep 28, 2011 11:25 AM EDT reply actions  

Agreed

EMU was an improvement. Let’s keep it moving in that direction.

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-Silas Redd

by PSU_Buch on Sep 28, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

From watching at home

It did seem like the band was playing alot more than usual, which is a good thing. But the attendance is getting pathetic, yes your asked to pay a bit more for season tickets, but it is Penn State. I am someone who routes for Penn State, win or loss, and never stop believing in this team or never will (that held true for the dark years also) I even cheer louder when we lose. Seems Penn Staters are getting a big head about them, expecting a National Tittle every year, and abandoning the team if we only win a few games and go to a minor bowl, not sure where that comes from but it needs to end.

by AriesGD on Sep 28, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

"I even cheer louder when we lose"

I don’t want to start anything here, but why in the world would you do that?

Run.

by Bob Sacamano on Sep 28, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep

The STHs who “stole” the junior and senior seats haven’t even had the common courtesy to show up and sit in them. WEAK GAME.

"I don't think you can progress in this game unless you know about the past."
-Silas Redd

by PSU_Buch on Sep 28, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Has any BSD'er gone to Guido's office yet?

He did offer to show people the 7 to 1 ratio of Blue Band to generic pop/hair band/hip hop music didn’t he?

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by WFY on Sep 28, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, this exactly.

I actually heard the Imperial March—which I hadn’t heard in the Beav in years!

Fire Dan Snyder

by Cari Greene on Sep 28, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was excited by that too.

It’s a little played out everywhere now, but it was cool to hear it from the Blue Band again.

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by SarcasmJam on Sep 28, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Just pick one dammit"

No thanks. Just pick eleven dammit.

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by apy5000 on Sep 28, 2011 11:31 AM EDT reply actions  

"I don't think you can progress in this game unless you know about the past."
-Silas Redd

by PSU_Buch on Sep 28, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

C

A for the Defense, F for the offense, C- for Special Teams.

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by nits4ever on Sep 28, 2011 11:36 AM EDT reply actions  

Canned sounds....

Not sure if anyone else feels the same way, but I hate the triple lion roar. I know they have been doing it for a few years now, but I have hated it the entire time.

by RitterPSU on Sep 28, 2011 11:45 AM EDT reply actions  

/hipstered

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by bconway6 on Sep 28, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Totally agree here

During this past game, you saw JoePa, grab McGloin and chat with him before he went in a made the first passing TD of the year to Suhey. That right there proves that he is very much involved in the game and what is going on. His ability to take a kid and give them a small chat and tell them how to do things is what will improve this team week to week, on the playing field.

by AriesGD on Sep 28, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec for the invention

of the word “clusterfucky”. That there my friend is money.

"Illegitimus non Carborundum!" (Don't let the bastards wear you down)

by RWReese on Sep 28, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

To clarify

I meant that he is less involved in the play-by-play calls by Galen/Jay in the booth. I absolutely feel that he’s more involved in the GAME when down on the field.

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by Mike Pettigano on Sep 28, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

But isn't it easier for him to switch the play

if he just tells Red what to do? From the booth he would have to tell Jay/Galen who’d then have to radio it down, etc.

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Sep 28, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, but on the field he's not listening to every play that comes down to REd from Galen/Jay, right?

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by Mike Pettigano on Sep 28, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe this is accurate

" When you cross that Blue Line, you are mine...Across the Blue Line, it's all football. " " And what you need to do in your life is paint Blue Lines everywhere. " - Joe Paterno 2009

by BlueWhiteLife on Sep 28, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

It looks like

Big Red tells him the play then tells the player in case he wants to change the play. You saw this in teh bowl game several times where he is yelling to either pass inteh endzone or run it.

by AriesGD on Sep 28, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure about that.

There’s not enough time for the play to be relayed to Joe and have Joe veto it in favor of something else.

Honestly, it looks like Joe occasionally asks someone with a headset what the play is about to be. He may suggest something for an upcoming play, but I don’t think he has any spot in the playcalling chain.

But again, who the hell knows.

by Chris Grovich on Sep 28, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think Joe ever "changes the play"

He just very rarely calls the play. You don’t need to know what two-headed monster in the booth is calling to tell Red to signal in a fullback dive.

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Sep 28, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

If he’s gonna call a play he calls a play. He doesn’t look to see what was already called and evaluate it.

by PSU Mudder on Sep 28, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

He doesn't need to hear the play

If the opposing coaches can predict the play call then certainly Joe can, too.

by confirmy on Sep 28, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ya know

maybe it might make a cataclysmic shift in the tectonic plates or something, but since Joe’s all Skype and Apple and what-not, maybe it’s time for him to hearken to A. Graham Bell and start wearing a headset occasionally and inserting his will more directly on the offense. I know…I know…it’s tantamount to recommending names on jerseys and white shoes and stripes on the pants, but you have to admit it might be more effective.

"Illegitimus non Carborundum!" (Don't let the bastards wear you down)

by RWReese on Sep 28, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Serious Question

Why can’t Joe be on the sideline in the golf cart during games? I prefer to see him on the sidelines for all the reasons jtot stated. And I think most of us agree that it is too painful for him to actually stand on the sidelines for an entire game. He watches practice from the golf cart. Why can’t he spend most of the game on the cart? If he really wanted to get in someone’s face, he could stand up and walk over to them, then return to the Joemobile.

Any ideas?

by Big Beefer on Sep 28, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because if

some kid comes flying in off the field and runs into a golf cart he could realy get injured?

"Illegitimus non Carborundum!" (Don't let the bastards wear you down)

by RWReese on Sep 28, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

They could have a cart there, but it would have to be far enough away from the sideline that it wouldn’t be a hazard. And if it’s 15’ back from the sideline, he couldn’t see anything, anyway.

by Chris Grovich on Sep 28, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously, can't we get Joe one of these?

"I don't think you can progress in this game unless you know about the past."
-Silas Redd

by PSU_Buch on Sep 28, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Pride

He didn’t even touch stool that was brought out for him. I know this from watching, but also from helpful tweets from @nittanyrich, who took exception to my making light of his assertion that where Joe is qualifies as newsworthy.

by jtothep on Sep 28, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Alabama D

I think this line from Stew Mandel’s CFB mailbag today was interesting: “If the NFL draft were held today, Alabama cornerback Dre Kirkpatrick, linebackers Dont’a Hightower and Courtney Upshaw, tackle Josh Champan and safeties Mark Barron and Robert Lester would all be among the first players selected at their positions.”

That is impressive, and it puts PSU’s offensive performance against them into some perspective. And I don’t want rehash that game or anything, just felt it was worth sharing. I still believe this o-line comes together and continues to improve.

"I don't think you can progress in this game unless you know about the past."
-Silas Redd

by PSU_Buch on Sep 28, 2011 12:32 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

that picture of the stands is a bit embarrasing

Syracuse is giving away tickets to all students for free this week against Rutgers to try and fill up the dome. Let’s hope it doesnt get to that point for PSU

by swiggy04 on Sep 28, 2011 12:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Back in August, I commented that I could get a photo like this one

because a few folks poked fun at the photos of empty Rutgers stands.

Looks like I was right.

A Garden State Nittany Lion...

"The way things are these days, 9-3 and one of the best graduation rates in the country doesn't seem like such a terrible bargain to make." - Michael Weinreb

by Mike Pettigano on Sep 28, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Put oversized boots, jeans

and olive-green parkas with the hoods up and the faux-fur showing (and non-descript smoke emanating from the hoods) on everyone in that picture and it could have been an early-season game in ‘77. And we weren’t down by the girls because you couldn’t tell they were girls.

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by Smee on Sep 28, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thing was, the students didn't really leave. Everyone was on the freakin concourse soakin up the shade.

You couldn’t get north and south on the east side under the concourse and that was not because of the concession stands. It was 92 with high humidity, hottest game I have ever been to at Beaver Stadium.

My grammer skills need improved.

by BMAN13 on Sep 28, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think that could happen

because, didn’t student season tickets sell out?

Fire Dan Snyder

by Cari Greene on Sep 28, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

While I understand that I am more optimistic than a majority of fans

I truly do not understand giving the offense an “F” for September. This implies they could not have played worse. They most definitely COULD have played worse—just because they didn’t live up to our lofty expectations, it doesn’t mean they’ve failed. Purely from memory, our offense has scored 93 points this season. That’s an average of 23 points a game—a ppg average our offense in 2004 would have KILLED for.

Couple that with the fact they’ve played the top two scoring defenses in the nation in two of these games, and still averaged this? I just don’t see an F. A D, maybe. But not the absolute worst grade.

Fire Dan Snyder

by Cari Greene on Sep 28, 2011 1:33 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Fixed
That’s an average of 23 points a game—a ppg average our offense defense in 2004 would have KILLED for.

PSU goes undefeated, plays for the MNC.

"I don't think you can progress in this game unless you know about the past."
-Silas Redd

by PSU_Buch on Sep 28, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

to put it another way

What is the job of the offense? In overly simplistic terms, the job of the offense is to score more points than your opponent’s offense. Our offense has done that in 3 out of 4 games. That’s 75%. Is that failure?

Fire Dan Snyder

by Cari Greene on Sep 28, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I gave them a B

Defense gets an A-, Offense gets a B-. This is a pretty good football team. Certainly far above average. There’s definitely room for improvement.

"I play for Penn State, we don't celebrate after TDs." - Penn State's Derek Moye, on being asked to act like he's celebrating a TD during a BTN shoot.

by ckmneon on Sep 28, 2011 1:35 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

It's hard to get an accurate gauge of the attendance, anyway.

As we know, PSU announces “paid attendance”, so that’s just tickets sold. Doesn’t count unused seats.

by Chris Grovich on Sep 28, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree.

I found this line confusing.

It’s widely assumed that this team has the talent to be very good, even great.

Really? I don’t and have never assumed that this team has the talent to a) compete with Alabama or b) be great. Maybe next year, but not this year. The most important position on the team doesn’t have someone talented enough to outright claim the job.

Some of this comes down to managing expectations. If you expect PSU to go to the Rose Bowl every year, even when they lack a competent QB, you’re going to constantly think the program is in big trouble.

I wouldn't trust old rooster me neither.

by spakajewia on Sep 28, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think assuming the NW game is a win is a mistake

With Persa coming back I could see that one being a tough game. Remember we were down 21-0 last year before the big comeback. #Moxie

And we didn’t exactly light it up in our first road game this season. I look for this game to be a real battle.

by mundyscorner99 on Sep 28, 2011 3:34 PM EDT reply actions  

The best news about the jNW game?

It’s a 7pm (East Coast) kickoff. While I am not concerned about a “night game advantage” for the Wildcasts at Ryan Field, PSU’s notorious tendency to start slow for noon road kickoffs in the Central time zone (to say nothing of noon kickoffs at home… ) would be a major worry. I feel a lot better about this game with that one off the table.

"I don't think you can progress in this game unless you know about the past."
-Silas Redd

by PSU_Buch on Sep 28, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not assuming a win

with this team, the inconsistencies make for zero assumtions. The talent is there but can they put it together for 4 quarters? My only point is that I feel comfortable with a Penn State victory in that game. Penn State is the better team so we should win. I most certainly am not assuming a win though.

"I don’t know what he’s done differently, whether he’s eating differently or Sue is making him happier, but he’s definitely a different coach out there" Devon Still

by jman07 on Sep 29, 2011 7:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Northwestern traditionally scares the poop out of Penn State early, but...

then PSU pulls away.

And remember, 03 & 04 were Penn State’s worst teams ever. While 95 NW was the Cats’ best team ever.

A Garden State Nittany Lion...

"The way things are these days, 9-3 and one of the best graduation rates in the country doesn't seem like such a terrible bargain to make." - Michael Weinreb

by Mike Pettigano on Sep 29, 2011 7:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

One problem

Coach from a golf cart? Are you serious? The erotion of this program can be attributed to ONE man. Some of you people need to step back and look at our program. Head coach doesn’t go on recruiting visits. (Only program in major college football). Offensive Coordinator doesn’t go on recruiting visits. (Only program in major college football). One coach calls running plays, one coach calls passing plays. (Only program in major college football) I could go on and on, but I just get too frustrated!! This is what we have, and will continue to have until the hostage situation ends. Accept what we have become, or stay at home and turn off the Tv! Coach from a golf cart?! Come on!

by hawking5309 on Sep 29, 2011 1:18 AM EDT reply actions  

exactly!

we have enough issues without people adding fuel to the fire with lies.

Fire Dan Snyder

by Cari Greene on Sep 29, 2011 8:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rabble rabble rabble

Thanks for sharing your concerns broseph.

"I don’t know what he’s done differently, whether he’s eating differently or Sue is making him happier, but he’s definitely a different coach out there" Devon Still

by jman07 on Sep 29, 2011 7:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

From The LIar To BMAN13 And Minnions.

From Hookem247.com, posted 1/21/2011, "Think Mack Brown was busy Thursday? All he did was visit three high school recruits and hire an Offensive Line coach. And he has another visit schuduled Monday.’ From Texas Longhorn Recruiting, posted 1/25/2011, “After visiting Cleveland last night to visit 2011 DE Cedric Reed, Mack Brown will be in San Antonio to visit RB Malcolm Brown, 2011 ATH Mykkele Thompson, and 2011 DT Quincy Russell. He”ll head to Brennon on Wednesday for his home visit with 2011 DE Brandon Alexander, followed by in-home visits with 2011 LB Steve Edmond of Dangerfield and Kendall Thompson of Carthage and then 2011 OL JOsh Cochran of Hallsville." I never said anything about coaching practice from a cherry picker. My point was about coaching from the sidelines during a game from a golf cart. Do you put the cart up to allowable distance from the field? What if a play, as often does ends up off the field of play? Are you sure that the cart can move out of the way fast enough to avoid injuring the players on the field, or the persons in the cart? And if the cart has to be moved quickly, can you say for sure that it won’t run over someone standing on the sidelines? Or maybe you want the cart positioned back near the bench, where Joe can see even less than up in the box. Or maybe Red and Joe can ride up and down the sidelines together. Lastly, I don’t know if other programs have one coach calling the running plays and another calling the passing plays. But if you could site me that particular program, i would be grateful. But remember, it must be one coach calling the running plays, and another calling the passing plays, EACH PLAY! Thank You The Liar.

by hawking5309 on Sep 29, 2011 9:45 AM EDT reply actions  

In case you weren't watching on Saturday,

Joe was walking the sidelines during the first half. He wasn’t sitting in the stool they brought or in a golf cart.

Hey guys, I guess I’m a minion now (except since I spelled it correctly, does it have a different meaning than minnion?). I guess that’s better than being part of someone’s ilk.

"It's never a bad thing thing to vote for the suckiness of tOSU." -RWReese

by Paige2PSU on Sep 29, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Was responding to BIg Beefer.

The golf cart comment was in response to Big Beefer’s Post.

by hawking5309 on Sep 29, 2011 12:06 PM EDT reply actions  

There's a reply button,

using that might help.

"It's never a bad thing thing to vote for the suckiness of tOSU." -RWReese

by Paige2PSU on Sep 29, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Paige

I’m not sure he appreciates your advice.

"I don’t know what he’s done differently, whether he’s eating differently or Sue is making him happier, but he’s definitely a different coach out there" Devon Still

by jman07 on Sep 30, 2011 7:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Somehow,

I don’t think he does. And here I was, trying to be nice :o)

"It's never a bad thing thing to vote for the suckiness of tOSU." -RWReese

by Paige2PSU on Sep 30, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

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